Mike On A Bike Episode 2: Marky Simons

In this episode we travel to Bathurst to ride with Marky Simons - rider, racer, gym-owner and raconteur. 

We cover all the big issues: littering, electric cars, time, black swans and donuts. It probably doesn't get any better.

Transcript

SPEAKER_02 0:05

Hey listeners, it's me, Steve, with a quick apology before we get into this episode. This podcast is supposed to be recorded during a bike ride, and you'll notice straight away that we're indoors. I drove out to Bathurst to record this with Marky and we had a ride all mapped out, but then it rained and it just kept on raining. With ten hours of driving to make it happen, I decided to hit the couch and record while we were watching Poggy take Monument 205 for this year. And I don't really apologize if you hear it in the background. We are truly living in a time of greatness. I think it's likely that this won't be the last time that rain changes my plans because none of my equipment is waterproof. Life gets in the way of cycling, right? Anyway, you've bought your tickets, so let's get on the ride and see where it goes.

SPEAKER_00 0:56

Can you count to five, please? Yeah, three, two, one, four, five.

SPEAKER_02 1:04

G'day listeners. Welcome to episode two of the Mike on a bike podcast. This week we're in Bathurst talking to Marky Simons. And from the intro, you can tell he's a bit of a character.

SPEAKER_00 1:16

But that's what I think when I'm instructing. You know, when when you're when you know there's five seconds to go before the next interval, you only count from three. Right. Because three seconds can become five seconds. Three, two, one, rest now.

SPEAKER_02 1:33

Time as a construct, right? We made that shit up.

SPEAKER_00 1:36

We made that stuff up. Why does it need to be a thing?

SPEAKER_02 1:42

I've known Marky for a long time. We used to race motorbikes together back in the 90s, that's where we met. He's the kind of guy that after you've met him, you'd vote for him.

SPEAKER_00 1:54

Um, my two policies that I want to implement when I run for parliament. I don't know whether we've discussed these, but we haven't, but it's definitely time. You've got the option to drive a left-hand drive car here in Australia. I want to buy a left-hand drive car because they're cheaper, because most of the world drives on the other side of the road. I can buy them a Dodge Ram, convert it to electric, drive it on the left-hand side, drive.

SPEAKER_02 2:20

What we might be talking about then is Fiat Puntos, right? Fiat Puntos. Right. Yeah. Which are terrific little cars. We've all spent time in Europe, even watching a bike race and seeing what the cars on the side of the road are. If you could walk into the dealership and say, I don't want the $25,000 Corolla, I'll have the $12,000 left-hand drive Punto. Yeah, that's it's a good okay, good.

SPEAKER_00 2:43

Platform one, tick. Second policy, your windows can't wind down at over 40 kilometres an hour. Your car windows. No, can't wind them down.

SPEAKER_02 2:53

Your two platform policies are strangely vehicle specific. You're gonna be what in the motor vehicle party? I'm in the mark party. Why can't we wind down our windows over 40? Littering.

SPEAKER_00 3:12

It's just for littering, but surely we can litter at 38. Don't care. Most people, I've found people don't litter at 38.

SPEAKER_01 3:26

As a bike rider, I've found I've found if it comes out of a car heading towards you on a bike, it it's coming at 60.

SPEAKER_00 3:35

No, no, not even that. I found that having ridden around a lot of regional New South Wales and even regional Victoria and South Australia, you know when you're between 10 to 15 kilometres away from a town when you start seeing fast food wrappers, empty coffee cups out the window. People finish buying that stuff and they drive for 10 or 15k's, they're done with it, the chicken bones have been sucked dry, they wind the window down, boom, out it goes. If if they had if they couldn't wind their windows down when when they're in the 100k zone, that shit's not coming out. Till they're driving 40k an hour. And are you gonna slow down to 40k now just to h that shit out the window? Probably not. Because that A triple road train behind you is gonna be like uh uh uh hurry up, and I'm gonna say this is 100% your specialty area.

SPEAKER_01 4:34

What you will get from a conversation with Marcus Holland is something that appears to be utter lunatic, just a crazy piece of nonsense.

SPEAKER_02 4:49

But just wait two minutes and everyone's gonna agree. You're not gonna try to go. It takes a lot long together, you know. Just keep it easy, just put it back in the bag, and when you get home, you get the bag, you take it inside the outside. It's got the bones in it. Mark and his wife Raewyn moved to Bathurst 20 years ago, started a business, raised a family, and now their grandparents are trying to retire. Even though I've lived in the country for 10 years, I still feel like a city kid when I go to visit. They have a tolerance for snakes which scares the shit out of me, and their willing cohabitation with spiders is regularly a deal breaker. You've got a big spider hanging down there. You see it up there? No, that's not a big spider. It's not a big one. If I see a big one, I swear to you, I'm gonna be saying goodbye from inside the driver's seat of the van. Like the rest of the internet, Marky and I strongly believe that it's not as much fun to get our facts straight. It doesn't seem to bother us. Really, just because sometimes you've got to believe, right? You gotta. Now, this is the second time that I've come out here to go cycling with you.

SPEAKER_00 6:05

Sorry, it's like donuts. You know, they were formulated by a um an American food scientist. The donut. The donut, the the the standard um sugar-coated cinnamon donut. It was formulated to a precise mixture of the perfect fat to sugar balance that the body just craves.

SPEAKER_02 6:30

It's the perfect balance that that interfaces with our with our receptors that goes, that is I can't tell whether you're endorsing donuts or whether you're I absolutely endorse a donut.

SPEAKER_00 6:42

You're you donuts get a big tick from you. Big tick. So you can eat a box of 12 donuts and not be full. Your body says, hmm, keep eating me. Uh have you done this? Yeah, I've eaten six donuts, six cinnamon donuts, no problem.

SPEAKER_02 6:57

I think that we should be glad that it's a public holiday and the donut emporiums of Bathurst are closed because you know, I got a big drive ahead of me. There is nothing stopping me from finding the donut place and seeing how many donuts we can eat. Six. Easy.

SPEAKER_00 7:15

The proper fresh ones from the donut king, they're golden.

SPEAKER_02 7:18

Now I've got some wagon wheels in the van. Have you? How long since you've had a wagon wheel?

SPEAKER_00 7:23

It's been some time. You want you want a wagon wheel with your cup of cheek? Are they the proper big ass ones? No. They're the minis. They're the front wheels off the wagon or the back wheels off the wagon.

SPEAKER_02 7:33

They're the front wheels off the wagon.

SPEAKER_00 7:38

How good are wagon wheels? Front front wheel of the wagons are pretty good, but they're great. Smaller than than I remember. I mean it does.

SPEAKER_02 7:46

Look, this is the standard argument. It does say on the packet minis. Eight minis. They are intentionally smaller. Yeah. You can still buy wagon in the supermarket, you can still buy standard rear wheel. Rear wheel wagons. Yeah, rear rear wagon wheels.

SPEAKER_01 8:06

Are they front or rears?

SPEAKER_02 8:08

Marky has a war chest of what I call factoids. Semi-truths wrapped in plausibility, but ultimately still nonsense. Here's a great example.

SPEAKER_00 8:18

Although I'm not against alcohol. I'm not against it.

SPEAKER_02 8:23

I wonder why I am on the spectrum. I'm definitely not in the middle.

SPEAKER_00 8:30

It's along the lines of gambling. I think we should get rid of gambling. But alcohol, interestingly, it's not banned under Wada's um drug protocol.

SPEAKER_02 8:40

Nor is enhancing it's not performance enhancing.

SPEAKER_00 8:43

I would argue against that. You think it is the fastest metabolized energy source of anything. Short-lived, sure. But imagine giving someone a shot at tequilo, you know, five K's from the finish of a race. Boom, they're on. They're feeling no pain, they're fired up. Or maybe some spicy rum, because when you're on rum, you want to fight. Maybe give them a shot at rum.

SPEAKER_01 9:12

Other fighting liquors are available. Yes. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 9:20

I'm still laughing at the thought of the Peloton pulling up for shots, then rolling out for the final sprint. I think a lot of people would tune into bike racing for the wrong reasons. Anyway. It's also true that I too have some issues that I'm dealing with every day. And shidification. That was the word of the year a couple of years ago. And shidification. So and shittification, you can see it on the screen now, is the name for the inevitable decline in service and or product that corresponds with an increase in price. It's especially relevant in technology. So things like Amazon Prime cost you $4.95 a month. You think this is great. 12 months later, that now there's a Prime Plus subscription, which is $8.99. And if you still want the $5.99, you have to watch some ads. That's in shittification. It just gets a little bit more shit over time. So then you've got the Super Platinum Plus, right? Which is ultra 4K, you know, six screens, as many downloads as you like, and plus you get no ads. But 12 months later, yeah, we're just going to introduce limited advertising. There's ads at the beginning now. So you start the thing and it says, Oh, we're going to give you 30 seconds of ads, but your feature presentation is ad-free. Yeah. 12 months later, there's an ad break in the middle where you can get up and you can go and cook a chicken schnitzel. Yep. Um and 15 minutes in the air fryer and come back.

SPEAKER_00 11:00

Yeah, they're just finishing. That's in shidification. It is.

SPEAKER_02 11:05

Marky and I are both bike riders, and we were watching a bike race on the telly. So it was inevitable that at some point we would discuss cycling. It didn't last long though. I think like most cyclists, when I watch a Peloton like this, um, climbing a hill, you know, there's eight wide, there's people on the sides of the road. All I can think is, why don't they crash more often?

SPEAKER_00 11:31

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 11:32

Because I would not be able to ride that close to somebody else for more than a minute without us tangling somehow and someone's going down. And these guys are doing it at 40 on cobblestones. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 11:46

Wet cobblestones. Their skill set is next level. Yeah, it really is next level. When I was traveling a lot in the car going to bike race, you know, a bag of chips is the go-to. Had to stop eating bags of chips. So we just stop into a fruit and veg shop and buy a bag of carrots. Carrots are great because you get that chewing, crunching. Yep. You don't have to refrigerate them. They're just a bag of carrots. And when you finish, you just wind down the window and hook that little end out the window.

SPEAKER_02 12:15

Not the bag though.

SPEAKER_00 12:16

Not the bag.

SPEAKER_02 12:18

I I had a bit of a horror moment then when I thought what you were going to say was wind down the window and chuck the plastic out.

SPEAKER_00 12:25

No, chuck the little head of the carrot. Yeah. Out the window. Which gets me to one of my Is that littering?

SPEAKER_02 12:34

Is throwing vegetable matter out the car? Is that littering?

SPEAKER_00 12:40

I don't know. I probably we'd have to consult the local constabulary on that, but I would have thought they'd pin you. I tell you what does annoy me as a bike rider riding along a road and seeing a banana peel just left random in the bird. They're obviously coming from a bike rider because car drivers aren't throwing banana peels out. You know it's a bike rider.

SPEAKER_02 13:03

He's just dumping it there.

SPEAKER_00 13:04

Dumping it there. Like flick it off into the grass, people. Don't just drop it in the bike shoulder. We know it's used.

SPEAKER_02 13:13

But the because it's just litter.

SPEAKER_00 13:16

What's the limit? Like if you've just been fishing. If everybody's doing it. And you've got sides of our roads are just covered in shit all the time. You've got the you know the remnants of your filleting, you've got a couple of fish cuts.

SPEAKER_02 13:27

Yeah, you've got a you've got a bucket full of guts. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 13:30

I don't know.

SPEAKER_02 13:31

It'll break down.

SPEAKER_00 13:31

It'll break down.

SPEAKER_02 13:32

Yeah, so that's pretty much why we've got littering laws, right? Because everything you throw out of the car, including the end of the carrot, it is littering. It is littering. If you're worried that these two wafflers aren't going to discuss the big issues, then now is the time to focus. We got you covered. I buy all these random ice creams. I get wollies to bring my shopping in. Um the bloke knows me, comes in the back gate of the shop, puts it next to the van, knocks on the back door. Hey Steve, here's your groceries. And that works really well. Once a week, once every 10 days, something like that, you know, order a bunch. But of course, I'm I'm scrolling through the through the I say, right, I've got to get some ice creams, what are we gonna have a look? And the first thing I start off looking at is what's on special. Yeah. And I quickly realized that if you buy the ones that are on special from your local wollies, and of course when you're looking at your when you're looking at the list on your phone, the specials could be store specific, right? And that's and that's because they've got too many gay times, and they're about to hit their date, right? They've got a month's worth of gay times in stock, um, and they've got to clear these things out. So gay times are on special. So if you buy them on special from the local woolies, they're old, and the crumbs on the outside are not crunchy anymore, they're soft. Yeah, it's the same as the specials board in a restaurant. Yeah, and I always used to this was one of the funny things about me and my my former wife. Um, we'd go to a restaurant and I'd order off the sp off the chef's specials because what I'm interested in is somebody exploring their craft, right? So I'm thinking the chef is down the markets, he sees that there's artichokes. Oh, artichokes are in season. Oh, hang on, I've got artichokes over here and I've got leeks over there. I could make my famous leak and artichoke ragu, right? And so what's on the specials board tomorrow is artichoke and leak ragu. And I made the mistake once of telling my former wife that this is the reason why I order from the spec from the chef's specials board. And she said, no, no, they're on special because they're going off in the freezer. That's what it's true. And it was you you can still hear the sound of that pin going into the balloon and the thing exploding in a lifetime of disappointment.

SPEAKER_01 16:18

That's one of my things ruined now. I can't order from the chef specials anymore because it's lamp chops that beat in the fridge and freezing too.

SPEAKER_00 16:27

They're just about to turn.

SPEAKER_01 16:28

They're turning.

SPEAKER_00 16:30

I'm the opposite. I never order off the special sport. Right. I figure if it's that special, it should be on the menu. I don't order fish unless I can see the ocean.

SPEAKER_02 16:43

But there are no guarantees that if you're eating in a seafood restaurant near the ocean that the fish come from just over there.

SPEAKER_00 16:52

Absolutely no guarantee. It's just a comfort thing. Comfort thing, that's all it is. You just make this wild assumption. Yeah, I'm not ordering snowy mountain trout when I'm at Bondi. No. No. Because it's still got to come through the DC in Weatherwall Park. That's right, exactly.

SPEAKER_02 17:09

Now I know what you're thinking. When are they going to discuss transport, right? After all, it was these two plonkers that started the discussion about building an Australian electric car. Come on, you wankers, solve our transport problems. Um, was it you that come up with the idea? Why aren't people just using mobility scooters as transport?

SPEAKER_00 17:34

Why aren't we? There's no reason. It's only stigma, right? That's right. Well, when you break it down, really a car is mobility transport. So the little mobility scooter that you can charge from the solar panels, and you can go and do your shopping. Yep. And you don't have to wear a helmet. No, that's interesting, isn't it? There's no rollover protection required like there is on a quad. And what's the definition of a mobility scooter? Like if I take if I take the cutter deck off my ride-on mower, is it a mobility scooter?

SPEAKER_02 18:03

It'd have a wider track, probably a longer wheelbase than a mobility scooter.

SPEAKER_00 18:08

I'll skinny them tires up. Just because it's it's petrol powered, it's not electric.

SPEAKER_02 18:14

Oh, Shazia had an electric one.

SPEAKER_00 18:17

Electric mower, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 18:18

Ride on. Yep, electric ride-on. On one charge, it would do most of the block, most of a of a one-acre block.

SPEAKER_00 18:25

So from here, six Ks to town, I'd get to town.

SPEAKER_02 18:28

Yeah, you get to town now.

SPEAKER_00 18:29

Plug it in. Yeah. Come back. Why do we need a car? Why does it actually have to be a five-seater car? Why can't we all have little portable mobility devices for ourselves?

SPEAKER_02 18:41

Um, or why isn't it a um a utility? It's an electric-powered horse and cart without a horse. Basically. You sit up on the front and you've got a big old tray in the back there. Yeah. You mean like a Ute? Like a Ute. Like a electric one. Like a big, simplified, tubular-framed, electric powered Ute. But my next one is definitely going to be electric. But my next one's going to be a motorhome. It's not going to be I'm going to order an off-the-shelf motorhome next one. Out of the brochure.

SPEAKER_00 19:20

Have you seen some of the Chinese electric motor homes that are coming out? I have not. BYD are making their own full in-house production. Yeah, right. Full electric. That's me. It's a like a little mini truck. Yep. But it's got a an apartment on the back of it. Yep. All self-sustaining. Yep. The only thing it needs is water. And a buddy of mine's got a uh a big motorhome, like a greyhound bus style motorhome. Yep. And he's got his own water capture on the roof. Got gutters, little gutters down. Goes into the tank that's under his bed. Yep. I think his tank will take 400 litres. Sits under his bed.

SPEAKER_02 20:05

Now I want to read through, and I I did warn you this week that I was going to do this. Yeah. I want to read through the list of some of the some of the crazy but incredibly sensible things that have come up in our discussions. I know there's a list back here. Oh, here we go. Erosion. Love it. We should be grateful.

SPEAKER_00 20:33

That is true. We should be grateful because if there was an erosion, we wouldn't have such things as the three sisters, as the seven apostles. Is that right? We're down to seven. We're down. I think we're down to seven, yeah. They're they're fading. The apostles are fading. They fall over or the roux. Wouldn't be there. Grand Canyon wouldn't exist. Erosion. It's I'm for it. Stop putting those little yellow, sorry, little green bags of sand in the gutters, people. Stop it. Let nature take its course. Run free. Because the the water course can be pretty. Can be pretty. Some people are trying to hold back the tide. You can't do it. Erosion. Keep it going.

SPEAKER_01 21:17

So bad.

SPEAKER_02 21:18

Uh GST. Number one, work out how much the country needs to run. Number two, what is that as a percentage of every single dollar spent, including water and giant dump trucks and houses, everything. If it's 15%, then everything you buy is a 15% GST. No rebates for business, just pay it. No P A Y G, no income tax, no stamp duty. Tax law would be about three pages done.

SPEAKER_00 21:45

It's a simple process. That's all that needs to happen. Work out how it's like you're running any small business. Work out what your costs are, work out what you need to make as income and charge accordingly. That's it. There's no rebate, BHP, you're buying. 10 of those dump trucks, you you're claiming back the GST. I'm sorry. No, just pay you 15% or whatever the percentage is. There's no other taxes. Simple. Three pages.

SPEAKER_02 22:13

So we figure out what it costs to run the country. Yep. And that's a number. It's a number. It's a number. It's $46 trillion. Okay. Could that it cost to run Australia to do all the things that we say that we're going to do? What's our turnover? Cost 46 trillion. What's our turnover? $680 trillion. $46 trillion is a percentage of $680.

SPEAKER_00 22:35

$80.2. And so that's what GST is. That's call it what you want. Call it GST, call it tax, call it whatever. But that's that's on every single transaction. There's no exemptions. Fruit and veg, water, everything. Everything's on it. So if you don't buy, then you don't pay. Tax law is one page. One page. Ten point. You've got to zoom in on it. But it's an easy process. And it changes. It's still the percentage is still the same because as costs go up, so does the turnover. It still stays the same. And we have a what once a year review? Could might be flexible, but it wouldn't need to be that much.

SPEAKER_02 23:21

We'd have to have review because the government, as part of the political process, would say, Oh, we're going to do this other thing, which increases government expenditure.

SPEAKER_00 23:31

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 23:32

And there's no resulting increase in turnover. Like it might be, oh, we're going to do free childcare, or we're going to give free universities. With all the big issues covered, it was time to bring the show to a close. And so I asked Marky the same question that I ask everyone. We have to wind it up, right? We have to close out. And what I ask everyone is, what message do you have for um the listeners generally? But also, have you got a message for yourself when you listen to this in 12 months' time? Two years' time? Five years' time. Oh, that's right.

SPEAKER_00 24:11

I did that podcast once with I wonder what I was gonna say to what what I was gonna say to FutureMark.

SPEAKER_02 24:17

Yeah, well what am I gonna say to FutureMark? There's an interesting podcast, vodcast thing on the ABC called If You're Listening. And he did a thing, a series um called Black Swans. The the idea of the Black Swan is it's the unknown unknown, right? Because the the Europeans had no idea that that there were swans any other colour than white. And they discover Australia and they're wandering around, they go, fuck me, that's a black swan. We didn't even know. The black swan series was based loosely around this series of letters that clever people in the 50s in the South Australia, the ABC um commissioned a whole bunch of thinkers to write a letter to future generations, talk to your grandkids, tell us what the future looks like. It's it's actually really quite well done, it's well made, it's well-crafted modern um deep dive journalism, right? If we're gonna write a letter to the mark in five years that's listening to this, have you got a message for him?

SPEAKER_00 25:31

Crikey.

unknown 25:34

Love your wife more.

SPEAKER_00 25:36

Love my wife more. How can I love her any more? I'm at a hundred percent already.

SPEAKER_02 25:40

Yeah, already at a hundred.

SPEAKER_00 25:41

I'm already at a hundred.

SPEAKER_02 25:42

I I even though I can't give any more. Love is one of those things that's you've you've either got it or you haven't, right? Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 25:50

Yeah. Mark in five years' time. How are you listening to this in five years' time? Is it just broadcast?

SPEAKER_02 26:01

Well, presumably things aren't going to be changing that much. The technology's not gonna, it's not like we're gonna have chips in our necks. Yeah, maybe. Um, not in five years, maybe in 20 years. I come up with this idea, you know. This the I mean these things have got them RFIDs, right? Um, sorry, and uh um NFCs, yeah, right? Why can't I have an NFC in my bum? Right? I've just got a small chip, it's in my bum. When I walk into Woolies, it goes bleep, it knows I'm in there. I pick the things I want off the shelf, it goes bleep, bleep, bleep in the cart already. I wheel the cart out and it charges it to me bum. Why can't we do that?

SPEAKER_00 26:43

I can nearly do that now with the Bunnings app. You walk around, you scan it yourself, you just pay install, walk straight out. See ya.

SPEAKER_02 26:52

Yeah, can you? Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 26:53

You just open up the scanner and scan it, boom. How many you want, two, boom. Pay install, show your receipt on the way out, see ya, avoid the cues. I do it all the time. Brilliant. So hopefully, Marky in five years' time will still be doing that. Right. Yeah, keep using that. In five years' time, I'll be I'll be halfway between the 65 and 70 year old masters age group. Which is a it's a tricky time. It's a tricky time. Yeah, like yeah, five years' time. I hope I haven't broken any more bones in that time. So crash a bike less would be a a good message. I hope you've crashed a bike less in the last five years, Marky. And I hope you're in good health because you've probably only got 1,058 Mondays left in you. So make the most of it. What is the count now? Do we know? Uh it's probably around 1300, 1250 Mondays left in me. You probably should explain your your Monday's remaining theory. It's a it's an easy formula, it's like my GST formula. What how what are you gonna live to? Say 95. Do you reckon you'll make it to 95? Maybe. Maybe. Even if I make it to 90. But you'll be buggered, won't you? Maybe. Won't we? If I keep looking after myself, I won't be.

SPEAKER_02 28:12

I'm pretty shitty now. I can't do a squat now. Um, and I'm only 58. But why do you need to be able to do a squat? Well, they've got to get down to put the key in the roller shutter.

SPEAKER_00 28:21

Well just then move the key hole up. It's at the bottom, bro. Get a remote.

SPEAKER_01 28:29

So my message to Steve in five years is dude, I hope you got that remote for the roller shutter by now.

SPEAKER_00 28:36

Can you use it on your RFID chip off your phone, put an NFC on there and just still goes up? Yeah. There's some a theory on how many Mondays I've got left. It's easy. You say you pick a number, I'm gonna live to 90. How old am I now? 63? 90 minus 63, divided by 52. Yeah, it's how many weeks you got. That's it. Do the do the math, work out how many you've got. Yeah, makes you grateful for every Monday. When people come in and say, Oh, I've had a good weekend, but it's Monday again. I said, I love a Monday.

SPEAKER_02 29:10

I love Mondays.

SPEAKER_00 29:11

I yeah, I love waking up because every every day I wake up I get a PB. Yeah. Most consecutive days of life.

SPEAKER_02 29:17

And I use that quite a lot.

SPEAKER_00 29:18

It's gold, absolute gold.

SPEAKER_02 29:20

It's gold. PB this morning. Yeah. Yeah. Shooting for another one tomorrow. So that's it, Marky.

SPEAKER_00 29:27

Value your time. No worries at all. Thanks for visiting um Barona.

SPEAKER_02 29:32

Barona, the the um the Girona of the West. It's where cyclists come to retire. They go to hibernate in the winter. Beautiful. Well, thanks very much. It's been a terrific chat. It's been great having you down here again. Let's do it again.

SPEAKER_00 29:48

Let's do it again soon.

SPEAKER_02 29:52

This week's podcast episode was made on the lands of the Wannarua and Warajari peoples. We acknowledge them as the traditional custodians of this land and pay our respects to their elders past, present, and future. I would list the authors, producers, town recorders, editors, and directors of what just happened, but we all know it was me and that I was assisted by the dog. In the next episode, we tune into the thoughts of one of my newest friends, and I promise it will be recorded on a bike ride. Stay safe and keep riding.