How to Help Strangers Open Up in Front of Your Camera with Pale Blue Wave (Part 2)

This week on Get the Picture?, Ryan Daniel (@palebluewave) is back for part two of our interview. In this episode, we’re diving deeper into his process of approaching people for photos, some of the craziest things that have happened while photographing strangers, and the unexpected moments that come with shooting in a big city. Whether you're curious about how going viral affects a photography business, want tips on how to help people feel comfortable in front of the camera, or just want to hear some unbelievable stories from behind the camera, this episode’s for you!

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Transcript

SPEAKER_01 0:00

Hello, you guys. Welcome back to another episode of Get the Picture. I'm your host, Tori Elizabeth, and this is part two of my interview with Pale Blue Wave. So if you haven't already listened to part one, go back to last week's episode and listen to part one first because this is just a continuation right where we left off in part one. So go listen to part one and then listen to this episode. It's gonna be amazing. I just know you guys are gonna love it. So enjoy. So I've tried, you inspired me, and I tried asking strangers to take their photo one time, and it was terrifying. And I felt like, obviously it's terrifying, but I felt like they were, I don't know if uncomfortable, but they were I don't feel like I had got them to open up and like I just felt like they were a little uncomfortable. I don't know. And I feel like that's something you do a really good job of is like even if you ask someone like, hey, you want to take photos, and they're like, I'm not photogenic, like I don't know if I even want to, like, how I don't know if I would say you convince them, but I feel like you help them feel comfortable enough to get their photo taken. So like what do you feel like because like if it's 30 to 45 minutes of interacting and we see a minute and a half on Instagram, like what are you doing to help them feel comfortable that we might not be seeing? Like, what are your tips for photographers to help them feel comfortable?

SPEAKER_00 1:12

Yeah, that's like the toughest, I think it's the most important thing as a at least for me. The thing is, I don't know other I I know some photographers, but I always work as a lone wolf. Like I don't go shoot with people, yeah. So it's I don't even know what other portrait photographers do.

SPEAKER_04 1:31

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:31

So like everything I do is just what I do. Like I've never seen another portrait photographer work even. Well, I okay, that's not true. Because I went out once with another guy and he like did some shooting and I was like, Whoa, this is crazy, you know? Yeah, because I'm like seeing someone else work with people, and yeah, for me it's kind of I don't know. That's the thing I don't overthink. For me, it's like be myself and have fun, like it's gonna be a it's a roller coaster, you know. Like the emotions they even out over time though. So like if you just started, it was very terrifying. Yeah, it's still slightly terrifying three years later. I still feel it, but I just know how to work with the energy now. And then yeah, with I think it's just who I am, like but where people I don't know what it is. I don't know what it is.

SPEAKER_01 2:23

It's just people just feel comfortable around you.

SPEAKER_00 2:25

So like I don't it feels weird to say that because it's like I but I don't I don't have any advice about it.

SPEAKER_01 2:32

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 2:32

Other than I'm just I just go up to them and start talking to them.

SPEAKER_01 2:36

Don't overthink it.

SPEAKER_00 2:37

Yeah, I think like I'm just and I tend to there's things I do, but I they weren't planned or they're not strategized. I tend to laugh a lot, yeah. Even if it's awkward, or I tend to smile a lot with new people. I always give people space so like they feel like I'm not encroaching on them or pushy.

SPEAKER_02 2:56

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 2:57

Uh I always have like they can exit at any time, you know. I'm not like cornering you. Yeah, yeah. And like there's no pressure ever. It's like you can walk away whenever you want. Um, and here's my work. I think that the thing is, I say maybe that helps, but I didn't when I had no work to show, people were still like pretty saying yes.

SPEAKER_03 3:19

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 3:20

They actually said a yeah uh yes a lot more when I first started.

SPEAKER_01 3:23

Oh, really?

SPEAKER_00 3:24

Yeah, it was like 80% yeses when I first started.

SPEAKER_01 3:27

Do you feel like is that because people get intimidated when you show them like this is my account and they see how many followers you have?

SPEAKER_00 3:32

I think that's a part of it now. And then also I'm asking a bigger range of people now. Okay, like a lot older people. Because I really enjoy talking to older people because they just are fun, have a ton of experience, no filters. Yeah, they don't have a bar. Yeah, I love that. Yeah, they're like retired, so who do they care? Like I have no one to who's gonna like tell me not to say stuff. Yeah. And then social media also, they sometimes because people, younger people, they understand like virality and like what I say in this moment is gonna be seen by possibly a lot of people. And like older people just tend to be like, don't I can tell they're not factoring that as much, you know? But they say no a lot.

SPEAKER_01 4:17

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 4:18

Like 80% say no to me.

SPEAKER_01 4:20

You said did you say 80% said yes at the beginning? Yeah. And 80% saying no, no.

SPEAKER_00 4:24

Well, now it's 50-50 or so. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 4:26

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 4:27

So for every one you see, there's someone who said no.

SPEAKER_02 4:31

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 4:31

And I keep all those videos too, but I would never release them.

SPEAKER_02 4:34

Okay. But because they don't want their videos. Yeah, yeah, right.

SPEAKER_00 4:38

I would never release those, first of all, if you're watching. Like people ask me to, because there are so many hilarious. Like, I know I'm not the type who's just gonna do anything for views, uh-huh. But there are so many funinos, you know, that are just awkward or so crazy.

SPEAKER_01 4:57

What what's crazy about them? It's hard to like cut it off.

SPEAKER_00 4:59

Like, what's your one I always think about this guy who's like probably 28, uh-huh, tall guy, like much taller than me. Like, he's probably 6'5 or something.

SPEAKER_02 5:10

Uh-huh.

SPEAKER_00 5:11

And we're I'm on Southeast Hawthorne and we're walking towards each other, and I do, I like approach him. I'm like, hey man, like I do portraits of strangers, I think you'd be great for photos. Uh-huh. And he's just like gets this really serious face, and then he's like, follow me. And he just like does this motion to me. And I was like, that is the weirdest. Like, what?

SPEAKER_03 5:35

Did you follow him?

SPEAKER_00 5:35

Yeah, because there was we're on the street, and then there's a side street that's more quiet and like secluded. Yeah. You know? And I was like, well, first I like did a lot of jujitsu. So I feel like I can take him. It would be close because he was in shape and stuff, but also I didn't feel like threatened at all. Uh-huh. It was more just like kind of weird. Yeah. And also, I'm like always want to follow the rabbit holes. Like what I do is insane. Like the that I can turn a corner and something can happen.

SPEAKER_02 6:08

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 6:08

And 60 million people see it. And and it's just it feels so much like fate. Like sometimes there's a rope attached to me and it's just pulling me places. Yeah. And I have no say in if it happens or it doesn't happen in a really good way. Like sometimes I end an interaction and I'm like, that just had to happen. Yeah. You know? And that was one of those moments I was like, I need to follow like this guy and just see what happens. And yeah, it turns out he was just, I think he was on like a psychedelic trip. And he was just saying nonsensical. He looks so normal, but he was oh, I remember he was like, Do you want to just capture me or do you want to actually get to know me? Which is like it's a okay. And I was like, Yeah, definitely.

SPEAKER_01 6:57

It's kind of deep.

SPEAKER_00 6:58

Yeah, I do. Actually, my point is I kind of want to get to know you. I've I kind of forget how it ended, but I we didn't do a shoot.

SPEAKER_03 7:06

Right?

SPEAKER_00 7:06

Yeah, yeah, we didn't. And I think I was even like, uh, I don't think it's gonna happen, you know?

SPEAKER_01 7:12

Yeah, that's so funny.

SPEAKER_00 7:13

But I always remember that one because it was like wild. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 7:17

Do you ever have people get like mad at you?

SPEAKER_00 7:19

I have.

SPEAKER_01 7:20

When you explain like your GoPro, like that you're recording, do they get mad about that?

SPEAKER_00 7:24

I've never had that happen. I've never had people get mad when I approach them. Like the people I approach, I never they never have issues. Okay, but people on the sides, it's happened twice. And one before I even had a GoPro. One, I was just doing street photography, uh-huh. Candid stuff. Okay, and there was a guy walking towards me with like a crazy hat on, and I was just like, boop. And then this woman came from the side. She wasn't in the photo. Yeah, she came from the side because she saw me do it, and she was like 28, maybe, downtown Portland. Uh, and nice day. Like, yeah, I just took a picture and she just went off on me. Just like the screen. You're an F you're an F and pervert. You're like, you're a freak. And I was like, have you? I like always am like so, like, oh, like, let me show you what I do. Uh-huh. Have you heard of street photography? Like, it's a whole art form. Let me show you some examples.

SPEAKER_01 8:19

A lot of people genuinely don't understand street photography, like they don't even know it what it is. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 8:24

And it is like intense for for me, it's very intense. Street photography, candid.

SPEAKER_04 8:28

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 8:30

To the point where I I don't do it anymore.

SPEAKER_04 8:32

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 8:33

I'll do it in a rare moment when I'm on the streets now. Like if I really see something, I'm like, oh, okay, I'm gonna take this photo.

SPEAKER_03 8:40

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 8:41

But it's pretty rare for me now because it's so intense for me. But anyway, she went off and then she like ran off to go call the cops or something. So I sat there for 45 minutes because I was like, I'm not gonna be the one leaving this situation. I didn't do anything wrong, you know? So I'm just gonna like sit here if the cops show up. And I waited like 45 minutes and no one ever came. She never came back. But after that moment, I realized that I needed a GoPro. Oh because I didn't have I was like looking around to make sure there's cameras. Like because it was I realized it w could have been her word versus my word. And she could say whatever she wanted. Yeah. You know, she could make up something, and the she f it felt a little unstable, you know. Like, so I just had lost trust in being in public, you know, like it was kind of a trust breaking moment. Yeah. So I got a GoPro and that's why you got it. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 9:40

Like to protect yourself.

SPEAKER_00 9:41

Yes.

SPEAKER_01 9:42

Is that why you always ask? Because I've I don't know if you do it in all your videos, but I've noticed in a lot of them you like ask on camera, like I'm recording, is that okay with you?

SPEAKER_00 9:50

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 9:51

Do you always put that in all your videos? Yeah. Or at least some of them?

SPEAKER_00 9:53

I rarely ever do that.

SPEAKER_01 9:55

Okay. Maybe I've just found a couple that you did.

SPEAKER_00 9:57

No, I try to like first of all, they always I always show people my work. I always let people know I have a GoPro recording.

SPEAKER_02 10:05

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 10:06

Uh and so everyone's always consenting. I also have con consent forms.

SPEAKER_04 10:12

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 10:12

And the you have to be 18 or older, and it's got like a release form for everything.

SPEAKER_02 10:17

Uh-huh.

SPEAKER_00 10:18

I didn't always do that, but nowadays I do.

SPEAKER_02 10:21

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 10:22

Um, I used to think it was like gonna a lot of people would say no because of the consent form, but no one's ever batted an eye about it.

SPEAKER_02 10:29

Really?

SPEAKER_00 10:29

Yeah. I'm always like, take your time, read it, let me know if you have questions.

SPEAKER_02 10:33

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 10:34

No one's ever asked me a question about it. Not that it's a very straightforward, short consent form.

SPEAKER_02 10:39

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 10:40

You know, but my fear of it like stopping people from saying yes was unfounded.

SPEAKER_01 10:46

Yeah. So I actually felt like that when I first got a contract for my what because it just feels like, oh, this is gonna be intimidating. People aren't gonna like this. But then like obviously people like that. You're trying to do it the right way. So no one has a problem with it. But like in your head you think they will.

SPEAKER_00 11:00

Exactly.

SPEAKER_01 11:01

What's your why? Like your that's kind of the main thing I honestly wanted to talk to you about. As I just think what you do is so interesting, and like I've I don't know if it's because they've seen you do it or whatever, but like I feel like there's a lot of people, myself included, that are inspired and like want to do that same thing, but I haven't seen anyone do it like consistently like you. And so I it feels like we're at like a lot of people are probably doing it for views or just because it's fun one time or whatever. I feel like you're really passionate about it. So like, why are you passionate about it? Why do you do it? Like, what's what's your goal?

SPEAKER_00 11:33

Like, yeah. My goal is it's interesting because my goal shifted, and it my goal used to always be about kind of growth and expanding reach and all it like kind of early on. That was my goal. Like, at least when I think of it as the work, like obviously my goal in the moment when I'm talking to someone is not that at all. It's to like have a have an i experience with someone which is always m makes me when I leave it, I always feel this like like it was fulfilling. Yeah, like it was a moment that is special, you know. I've had a lot of like really special moments from this that where after I shut off the GoPro, it's just like wow, like that was insane that that happened, and I was like a part of that. Yeah, but my bigger goal now now I've like thought about this so much, but uh one of my goals is I want someone like 500 years from now to watch a pale blue wave video and just think about how crazy it would be to live in 2026 in Portland and like look at the streets, look at the cars, because I'm sure it's gonna look so different 500 years from now, you know. So I think part of it for me is like making a historical it's like a historical document of of what's happening in Portland right now.

SPEAKER_01 13:04

Do you really like like love Portland? Like, do you love it here?

SPEAKER_00 13:08

I do, yeah, yeah, for the most part. Yeah, there's certain things that really irritate me, but I love the city, I love the culture, people are super friendly, they open up. The thing is, I don't know any differently though, like especially when it's my work stuff. I need to travel and do this, and then I'll have a really clear understanding. Is it me? Like, are people opening up because it's me? Is it Portland? Is it like I don't know because I've only done it in Portland.

SPEAKER_01 13:37

Yeah. I feel like you take a lot of photos of like really interesting people, like really, I don't know, just like cool people. Do you feel like you gravitate toward people like that, or just like everyone in Portland is like that? Like, do you feel like it's you or them?

SPEAKER_00 13:50

I think i it's both of us. I think that my eye gravitates towards people that stick out to me. It's very clear. It's like they're almost have a spotlight on them for me, and I can just see it, you know. Yeah, so it's like I could look at a hundred people and I'm really fast. Like it's automatic for me. I'm like boom, boom, boom. Like that's who I would talk to.

SPEAKER_01 14:15

And you said it's more of like a feeling, it's not like a specific trait you're looking for or anything, it's just like that person.

SPEAKER_00 14:22

Definitive feeling. Yeah, yeah. It's not there's no like by the time I'm talking to them, then features are starting to come out to me.

SPEAKER_01 14:29

Like you don't even notice at first. Yeah, exactly. That's cool.

SPEAKER_00 14:32

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 14:33

Do you have a this is one thing I was trying to ask you. Do you have like a favorite experience taking someone's photo? I mean, I don't know if you'll be able to pick, but do you have like one that sticks out in particular?

SPEAKER_00 14:44

Well, there's a few. One I just launched like last week, which I think you commented on. Okay.

SPEAKER_01 14:52

I've commented on a few. So I've got a lot of fun. The painter. Oh, yeah, I did love that one. That was fun.

SPEAKER_00 14:57

Yeah, that one's really special for me. And it's actually longer because that was from January 2025.

SPEAKER_03 15:04

Uh-huh.

SPEAKER_00 15:04

And it was this long because really there was another interaction with another person before that. And I tried to like fit it into one reel. Uh-huh. So there was like one person who approached Red Van Grove, who's like this painter, uh-huh. And he kind of gives his art away. He he people get to choose the value of the art.

SPEAKER_01 15:22

Yeah, they get like pay what they want, right? Okay, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 15:25

And he ran into this person, they were like, I know you from Instagram. And then they she didn't have any money. So he literally just gave her a painting. And then we went on and I started taking pictures of Red because it's a long story, but I had done a portrait of Red, okay, which was my first like really big viral video on TikTok.

SPEAKER_01 15:48

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 15:49

It got like 19 million views in like two weeks or something.

SPEAKER_01 15:52

Which now no longer exists on TikTok.

SPEAKER_00 15:54

Doesn't exist anymore, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 15:55

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 15:56

Uh, but that was insane. And that one was really special to me. And me and Red are like really good friends now.

SPEAKER_01 16:03

Oh, okay. That's awesome.

SPEAKER_00 16:04

So we're we're like good buddies. Yeah, we talk a lot about he's just very interesting. I've never really met anyone like him.

SPEAKER_02 16:12

Uh-huh.

SPEAKER_00 16:13

So that first meeting of with him is really special. And that video, I love that video a lot.

SPEAKER_02 16:19

Uh-huh.

SPEAKER_00 16:19

And then this second one, it was one of those videos where I edited it. I like I launched it in January 2025, and it kind of fell a little flat, uh-huh. Like 70,000 views. But I knew it was special. Like, something about that video. I was like, man, this video and the experience, super special.

SPEAKER_02 16:40

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 16:40

And then I sat on it for a year plus, right? Yeah, a year and a half. And it would just kept coming back in my mind. Like, there's something about that. And then as soon as I it's just me looking at it with different eyes now. I just knew the story. I just, oh, like it all. And then I launched it and was like, this is my like I think it's some of my best work. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 17:05

So yeah, I thought that one was super cool. Yeah. How well did that one like when you re-edited it and did it again? Like, how did it do it compared to before?

SPEAKER_00 17:12

Well, it's still going. I think it's close to a million views on on Instagram. Um I f Facebook, it's I don't know, 300k probably.

SPEAKER_02 17:23

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 17:24

YouTube takes YouTube's weird. YouTube will be like, you don't look don't look at it for a year. Yeah. That's honestly like I've had videos day 250 and just woot.

SPEAKER_03 17:35

Uh-huh.

SPEAKER_00 17:36

And so it's like, I don't even think about initial like if something comes out of the gate really good, I'm like, sweet. But even if it dies, I'm like, give it a year.

SPEAKER_01 17:45

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 17:46

If I really like give it a year.

SPEAKER_01 17:48

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 17:48

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 17:49

So do you even pay attention to the algorithm at all? Like, do you pay attention to like I don't know, do you pay attention to the algorithm or do you just post good content and you just it does well?

SPEAKER_00 17:59

I mean you can pay attention to the algorithm, but I think you can pay attention knowing that there's there's things like hooks that are very good. Yeah right? That are essential to creating consumable videos and keep people on the video. Like there's obvious stuff like that because the algorithm does, like the first five seconds, if people if 80% of people swipe away, you're that's like a not a gonna be good for you. You know? So there's definitely some basic understanding of the algorithm, but really it's more like understanding of how to tell a good story. So the algorithm can just be completely you can throw away the word algorithm and just be like, how do I s tell this story in the most compelling way? For me, it's like I wish I could every video. It's like I only have what I have to work with. So like it's interesting because you can only be so as compelling as the source material allows, I feel like.

SPEAKER_01 19:06

Okay, so you said you're like that you used to define yourself as introverted. Do you still feel like you're introverted? Because like yeah, I don't know, like do you spend a lot of time alone and then but then you have these like interactions where you feel like rejuvenated from them, like how is it for you? This is just interesting to me because I'm like introverted myself.

SPEAKER_00 19:27

I think a lot of me is introverted. I love having my time and like my space and the ability to focus.

SPEAKER_02 19:36

Uh-huh.

SPEAKER_00 19:36

And I can live in that, you know. Like, I don't need it's kind of like scary, but yeah, I can like live in without interaction for a while and be totally fine. Like, I will start yearning for it. Like, I'm not a robot.

SPEAKER_03 19:52

Uh-huh.

SPEAKER_00 19:52

Like, I love people. I'm a human. Yeah. I love people a lot. Yeah, feelings. Yeah, exactly. But I also really can entertain myself really well.

SPEAKER_03 20:02

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 20:03

Really, really well. So in that sense, I'm introverted. And I also have uh I need to go home. Like I'm extroverted when I'm out doing my work, and then I need to go home. Yeah. And not be extroverted at all.

SPEAKER_01 20:18

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 20:19

It's like downtime.

SPEAKER_01 20:20

Uh-huh.

SPEAKER_00 20:21

Time to work more, or like put on my headphones, listen to music, you know?

SPEAKER_01 20:24

Yeah. I just think it's interesting because I feel like a lot of people would assume that you're like extra like super extroverted or like always around people because you're like you're going and talk to like all these random people all the time. But I just think that's a good idea. That's funny.

SPEAKER_00 20:38

I think about that a lot because I think people think a certain way about me. Uh-huh. And if they knew the reality of my life, they would be like really surprised.

SPEAKER_04 20:46

Uh-huh.

SPEAKER_00 20:46

Because I'm just one workaholic.

SPEAKER_04 20:49

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 20:49

You know, and that to me means I'm in a dark room a lot. Which I'm trying to change that, honestly. Because it is kind of like sad. Like, honestly.

SPEAKER_03 20:59

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 21:00

Just a little bit. I'm like, this is kind of sad. Like, especially with summer rolls around. I'm like, God, it's so beautiful. Like, I need to. I used to have a golden retriever and I'd be like forced to, but I would love it, you know. You're just outside all the time.

SPEAKER_02 21:15

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 21:15

And I love that. I love like I don't I'm not like a nature guy. I love nature, but I'm not like a camping guy.

SPEAKER_02 21:22

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 21:22

Which you know, I don't like I like having a shower and stuff and bathrooms. Yeah. Like basic stuff. So, but I'll do hikes and stuff. But yeah, I love being outside.

SPEAKER_01 21:33

Okay. What's your favorite thing about Portland?

SPEAKER_00 21:36

I mean, what is it? It's just like a really unique place to live, I feel like. You get a lot of artistic creative people who are very friendly and think a little differently, which I am drawn to that.

SPEAKER_01 21:52

Yeah, I feel like you photograph a lot of artists or like singers or like I think it's cool how you always like tag them too and tag. Their account, like, oh, go follow this person. I think it's awesome. I try. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 22:03

I try.

SPEAKER_01 22:04

So I feel like a lot of people recognize you now, like in your videos of oh, you're Pell Blue Wave. And then you ask, you know, can I take your photo? Do you feel like you get recognized? Obviously, you get recognized more now, but how often are you actually getting recognized?

SPEAKER_00 22:17

If I have my gear on, it's quite a bit. If I'm like, especially if I'm on Hawthorne, because that's kind of my place. That's a street in Portland. It's like where you see a lot of my videos with the Baghdad theater behind uh and the psychic sign and stuff. That's Southeast Hawthorne, and I love going there because it's it feels magical. Like honestly, there's some things about what I do that feel really supernatural and that I can't put my finger on.

SPEAKER_03 22:45

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 22:45

It's just like I'm meant to be there at that moment and take that left turn and everything unfolds without me having to do a single thing, like no thought to it. Yeah, it's just all impulse and like feeling, and that to me is like such a beautiful experience because I'm really present and like in my body, and like it's meditative almost for me. So, anyways, Southeast Hawthorne's amazing.

SPEAKER_01 23:12

Okay. Do you think anyone ever hangs out there like in hopes that they'll run into you? Do you think people do?

SPEAKER_00 23:17

I hope not. I hope not.

SPEAKER_01 23:20

Would that like freak you out? Well, I feel like that would kind of ruin the like magic of it. Because like the whole point is you're supposed to be finding random people.

SPEAKER_00 23:30

I mean 100%. It does. And when people are like, I'm want to find you, I'm like, no. If it's meant to happen, it will.

SPEAKER_02 23:38

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 23:38

But I'm never gonna like say where I am or when I'm gonna be out, you know. Yeah. Because I think the whole thing is like the beautiful moment of people not expecting it.

SPEAKER_02 23:49

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 23:49

Yeah. But it's very kind of rare, it's happening more that people recognize me without my gear on.

SPEAKER_02 23:56

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 23:57

Which it's always nice. People are super friendly. And when they say good things about my work, that makes me really happy. Because that's what I care about the most, you know? Yeah. That the work. Like to me, that's everything. So hearing good things about is like cool. Like, yeah. I love it too.

SPEAKER_03 24:15

So glad you like to.

SPEAKER_00 24:17

Yeah, I mean, I'm not gonna like lie. That's awesome. Yeah, yeah, for sure.

SPEAKER_01 24:22

Do you ever because like obviously you're recording your like inner first interactions with people, like you meeting them for the first time. Have you ever had to like your GoPro glitched and you had to like redo it or something? Have you had to redo something? Would you redo something?

SPEAKER_00 24:39

Once. Once. And that was the funny thing is I okay. So what happened was it was at PSU, Portland State University, and it was dark. It was probably I don't, well, it was probably winter and it was raining really hard.

SPEAKER_02 24:55

Uh-huh.

SPEAKER_00 24:55

And I used to like not care about my equipment at all. Yeah. Like I used to be like, well, screw it. Like, like, I'll buy a new camera, you know? Like I used to be so crazy. Now I'm like, so I'm like, well, I also had a full-time job at the time. And now it's like way more like, well, that's gonna be a problem, you know.

SPEAKER_01 25:13

You're like, I need need this camera.

SPEAKER_00 25:15

Yeah, yeah. And like buying a new camera would be like, oh my god, and that's a big expense. So, anyways, I walked up to her and she said yes. We did photos, but they were horrible. Like, and it was very early, and like they were just so bad. Like, I got home. That's the one time I've ever been like, Wow, I failed so bad. Uh-huh. Like, this is unusable. So I messaged her and I was like, Hey, do you want to meet up at another time? And we'll reshoot, do a reshoot. She's like, Yeah, totally. That sounds good. And then, okay, I made the video, and in the video, I like tried to explain the whole story.

SPEAKER_04 25:53

Uh-huh.

SPEAKER_00 25:53

I went out and I was like doing a voiceover, like, oh, we went out, and then I screwed up and like blah blah blah. And like it did really, really bad the video. Uh-huh. And I look back at it now, it's like obvious why it did so bad, because it's like so much me trying to explain. Because I wanted to like not, I wanted to be honest about everything.

SPEAKER_01 26:13

Yeah, it wanted to be authentic.

SPEAKER_00 26:15

I was so worried that people would be like, wait, it's slightly different, you know. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I was so concerned about it that I sacrificed the video. It's like I sacrificed it on this altar of authenticity.

SPEAKER_02 26:29

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 26:30

Which is important, first of all, because that's like everything to me.

SPEAKER_02 26:33

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 26:33

And I understand my the reasons I did it, but also I realize that like nowadays I don't think I'd do it the same. I'd be like, well, like, I'm gonna try, I don't know, I'm gonna make this work. Like, you know, like authenticity is extremely important, and like it to me it's my name, you know. And if I would never fake a video, I would never tell someone where I am and tell like hey, okay, I I do want to shoot you. Like to me, that's sacred, and I wouldn't mess with that. But I think I was a little so I was so afraid of it.

SPEAKER_01 27:11

You're like overcorrected. I overcorrected. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, that makes sense.

SPEAKER_00 27:15

Yeah. So that's the one time.

SPEAKER_01 27:17

Do you ever take photos and like not post them or like not use a video? Or do you use every single video?

SPEAKER_00 27:24

I do have a I do have a few that I haven't posted.

SPEAKER_01 27:27

Uh-huh. Is it just like you never get around to them?

SPEAKER_00 27:30

Yeah, like there's some reason. What's interesting is like I think there's a reason for all of them usually. But what's funny is I've been going back and doing the videos and watching them like three years later.

SPEAKER_03 27:45

Oh wow.

SPEAKER_00 27:46

And like the reasons I had they'd usually be technical. Uh-huh. Right. And like I'd fail with the photography or like some of my GoPro screwed up. And I am at a point now where I'm like, look at that and think of it more as a challenge than um I can't launch this video now.

SPEAKER_01 28:07

Like, how can I make this still work somehow? Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 28:10

The thing is, like, there's a part of me that feels like it's bad because they I don't know, it's been three years and my account's way different now. So it's like, and I have no way to usually reach out to the person.

SPEAKER_01 28:23

Oh, it's like, would they still be okay with me posting?

SPEAKER_00 28:25

Yeah, it feels a little different. It's like, well, so I've done it, I think, twice. Uh, this last year. Late last year, I put out two videos from 2023. And one of them I heard from, and she was like really happy. And the other person I never even heard of from. So I hope they're happy.

SPEAKER_01 28:43

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 28:44

I feel like if not, like message me. I'll always.

SPEAKER_01 28:47

Yeah, they can message you.

SPEAKER_00 28:48

I'll take the video down. You know, like I've had that happen. That is brutal.

SPEAKER_01 28:52

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 28:52

Oh, that's brutal.

SPEAKER_01 28:53

That would be unfortunate. Is that like people who agreed in the moment and then changed their mind later?

SPEAKER_00 28:57

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 28:57

And they just message you and say, like, I don't want this up anymore, or they don't like the photos, or what?

SPEAKER_00 29:02

Usually it's if they're going viral really fast.

SPEAKER_01 29:05

Oh, okay. And they get like freaked out. Yeah. Yeah, that makes sense.

SPEAKER_00 29:07

Because it's super overwhelming.

SPEAKER_01 29:09

Uh-huh.

SPEAKER_00 29:09

Like, I can't I can't imagine it because I remember when my stuff would go viral for the first time. Very overwhelming.

SPEAKER_01 29:16

Well, especially if there's any hate about them in it, too. Yeah. Because they're not used to that like you are.

SPEAKER_00 29:22

Yes. Yeah. So I totally understand. It's just sometimes they're like the videos I love. It really sucks. Yeah. And you gotta take like I always will respect them wanting the video down, of course. The sad thing is the reality of it is once you post it though, people steal it immediately. Right. And then it's like you're you can't get rid of it. Yeah, it's out there. It's just out there.

SPEAKER_01 29:45

Uh huh.

SPEAKER_00 29:46

I can DMCA them, but it's kind of living on, you know.

SPEAKER_01 29:50

Yeah. Going back to that, the people, how people all everyone steals your videos, how do you feel like? Well, first of all, obviously it bothers you when people like actually save your video and like use it. Does it bother you that so many people are trying to do what you do without like credit to you? Like, like, do you feel like people should be saying like credit to pale blue wave for doing this first? Or like, how do you how do you feel? You don't feel like that?

SPEAKER_00 30:17

No, because I th I mean there's street portraits have been going on for since cameras, you know. And um people were doing it before me. So it's not for me, it's not I don't own any of the ideas. I don't own the process. And I think the more people if I inspire someone to go out and shoot and buy a camera, I'm like that's like the best compliment you could give me. Yeah, you know? It means that I like impacted their feelings so much that they went and spent their money or like felt a certain way enough to go do something. Yeah, and that's like a huge compliment.

SPEAKER_02 30:56

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 30:57

So it creates I think it pushes the art forward too. So it makes me have to be better. I have to keep evolving. You know, at some point I know I have to pivot, I have to continue pivoting, and I don't it's a little scary when you think about it, but it's also like you need to keep pushing the envelope. I do, I can't do the same thing over and over again. Like I've I when I first started doing the videos, like eighty, eighty videos in, I was like, man, this is I have to change. And that's when I kind of start like talking more. Yeah. You know, I started asking questions really badly.

SPEAKER_01 31:37

Like In what way, like do you feel like you're just awkward or yeah, I just didn't know what I was doing.

SPEAKER_00 31:43

Like uh Yeah, just really bad. I didn't know how to talk about things because I was just used to doing the camera.

SPEAKER_01 31:51

Do you have go-to questions that you always ask everyone?

SPEAKER_00 31:55

Uh there's a few that I if it like if I get to a point where it's lagging, I know I can go to those.

SPEAKER_01 32:01

But you try to just like go with each individual person where their story's going.

SPEAKER_00 32:06

Exactly. I never start with one of my go-to's. I start with what do you do? Like what what do you it used to be what are you passionate about? But I realized that is a little um weighted, you know, and like people well, passionate, like, and then I realized you just gotta like find an opening. So it's like, what do you do? And then you open and you start digging in from there. And then you latch onto something. Yeah, it's always like feelings. So, like, oh, you feel that way, and then it's like I love to be like, what does it feel? Tell me what that feels like when it like when that happens, yeah. And then get into the emotions, yeah. And then you're like, then you're getting somewhere, you know. Then people are like opening up.

SPEAKER_01 32:54

Okay. So what does what does your work make you feel if I flip it on you?

SPEAKER_00 33:00

I just feel like it's meant to be, you know? Like I just feel like complete when I'm working. And I feel complete when I have a video and I launch it, and I'm like, it's c like it's such a build-up, and then I launch it and I'm like, it's like um perfect. Not like the work's perfect, but like the way it's like a puzzle just falls together. Yeah, yeah, it's just like this is the way it's meant to be. And it's just um yeah, so that's how I feel about it. Like it makes me feel very uh fulfilled in life and really motivated. Very, very motivated. Like I'm so inspired all the time.

SPEAKER_04 33:48

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 33:49

I used to work in corporate jobs and I'd wake up. I remember waking up every day, I'd walking into these buildings being like, How long do I have to do this? You know? And then now I wake up and I'm like, I cannot wait to get to work. You know, like that's how I feel every morning of my life.

SPEAKER_01 34:07

How often are you going out, like to shoot?

SPEAKER_00 34:10

Not that much. Like once a week, usually.

SPEAKER_01 34:13

Uh-huh.

SPEAKER_00 34:13

Two hours, and I'll usually get like two portraits in two hours.

SPEAKER_01 34:18

Do you plan which day to go out, or you just wake up and you're like, today's the day?

SPEAKER_00 34:21

No, it's kind of like scheduled up. Okay. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 34:24

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 34:27

That happens. Yeah. Where I'm like, man, I'm running low.

SPEAKER_01 34:30

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 34:31

Sometimes it gets to the point where I'm nothing, and I'm like, man, I am like, this is that doesn't feel good.

SPEAKER_01 34:36

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 34:37

Yeah. I don't like that.

SPEAKER_01 34:38

Yeah. What what do you hope to like the people you take photos of, what do you want to make them feel like about themselves? Or just like when they see your work, what do you want them to feel like? What's the goal?

SPEAKER_00 34:52

No, I never think about that. Really? Ever. And a lot of people make assumptions and comments. You made their day. You know, I hope they feel beautiful now. I will, I'm like, I don't know. I will never assume or like I can't think about that, I feel. I and I never know until they message me.

SPEAKER_01 35:14

What do they what's like the most common thing you get told when they message you? Or like what are some of the things that are.

SPEAKER_00 35:23

Some people are like, oh my God. You know, like, yeah, oh my god. Hearts and like everything, you know. And some people are absolutely silent, say zero. Some people are like, oh, this is so embarrassing. And I'm like, you did great. Just relax, like you're fine.

SPEAKER_01 35:39

Uh-huh.

SPEAKER_00 35:39

You know?

SPEAKER_01 35:40

I wanted to know. I have two questions for you. You can decide which one you answer first. I don't really care. But I just wanted to know if there's anyone who inspires you. Like, it can be a photographer or not. I don't know. Just if there's anyone who like inspires you, because I bet you inspire a lot of other people. So I just want to know who inspires you. And then does pale blue wave mean something? Where does it come from? Was it just for fun?

SPEAKER_00 36:03

I wonder what inspires me. It's crazy. What inspires me is weird stuff, honestly. Yeah, like um music a lot. Oh, okay.

SPEAKER_01 36:10

Like real type of music.

SPEAKER_00 36:12

Oh man, just random. Like, well, not random, like, I don't know, just like uh there's this band called Destroyer. I love there. It's not it sounds hardcore, but they're like kind of um it's like rock but jazzy and like anyways. I love it. Okay. And what I love is people with really good work ethics. That to me is inspiring in the arts. Like you could be Elon Musk and have a whatever your work ethic is. There is a little bit that about that that's inspiring. Yeah. But to me, it's not the same as someone who's like a prolific filmmaker or like a prolific painter. Well, you know, like to me, that's if I'm feeling because I don't think of Elon Musk and he have feelings.

SPEAKER_03 36:57

Right. Right?

SPEAKER_00 36:58

You know?

SPEAKER_03 36:59

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 36:59

But if I watch like Stanley Kubrick and it's like I'm feeling all this stuff and and they're so passionate about their art, then to me that's like super inspiring.

SPEAKER_02 37:10

Uh-huh.

SPEAKER_00 37:10

You know? So yeah, like music, film, all I watch crazy, like old Stanley Kubrick's not that old, but I'll watch like old there's a director called Fellini who uh from Italy in the I think 40s, and I'll to me that's super inspiring.

SPEAKER_01 37:30

So do you get more inspired by I don't know, types of media other than photography? Like it seems like music and film. Like, is that more inspiring than other photographers to you?

SPEAKER_00 37:39

Photographers do inspire me, but um it's I'm inspired by street photography, and I really love street photography. I don't look at portraits and get inspired.

SPEAKER_01 37:51

Okay, so it's when something tells a story then. Basically, everything that inspires you tells a story.

SPEAKER_00 37:55

I mean, so actually that's not true. Sometimes I will see portraits and I will be like, whoa, like I can't do that. How can I do that? You know, like definitely there's that. Actually, I should that is very true. There's and that has inspired me a lot over the last three years. Yeah, but it's different, it's inspiring, like in that I know I need to get better, you know, because I'm so below that level that I'm like, whoa, I need to learn a lot more. So I do get inspired in that way. It's just not like I don't go famous portrait photographers and like scroll through their work. Yeah, like I mean, I have done that, but I don't know. It's just I guess the past, like I the way I grew up was with film and music, and those things make me want to create. Yeah. So that's what inspires. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 38:47

Okay, and what does pale blue wave mean?

SPEAKER_00 38:50

So pale blue, that part is based on Pale Blue Dot, which is a book by Carl Sagan.

SPEAKER_02 38:57

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 38:57

And he's like a uh astrophysicist or I don't even. He's like have you heard of Carl Sagan? He's uh he's like an a scientist from the eighties who have you heard of Cosmos?

SPEAKER_04 39:12

No.

SPEAKER_00 39:12

Okay, it's like he did this series, and it's all about the creation of or about the universe. Okay. And I watched his series Cosmos, and it was like 1980, whatever, eighty nine, maybe. I'm just guessing. So someone look it up and tell me. But like it it was in the 80s, I think, maybe 79 even. But it's all about just kind of the insanity of being a human and having consciousness on a rock, flying through the universe. And in my twenties, I watched that, and I had never really thought about that. It was it was a memorable moment for me where like my mind expanded just from watching something, and I started realizing the insanity of what like living, you know, and how special it is. Uh yeah, I just fell in love with Carl Sagan at that point, and he's like a big inspiration for me. So that's where pale blue. I like sat down and have a whole list of names, uh-huh. And just randomly in there is pale blue, and then the wave is like the image of my life where like sometimes I'm on top of the wave and everything's I'm killing it, uh-huh, you know, and then sometimes I'm getting absolutely destroyed, you know, and getting smashed into rocks.

SPEAKER_02 40:26

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 40:27

That's my life has been like that.

SPEAKER_02 40:28

Uh-huh.

SPEAKER_00 40:29

Where I've had really bad downs that have been extended, you know, for years, and then I have really big ups. So I my life is kind of wild.

SPEAKER_01 40:41

That's cool. No, I'm it's cool. I always wonder, like, does it is it just like a fun name or does it actually mean something? But it's cool. It's like you're I feel like it kind of encompasses like your outlook on life. You would you say that's accurate? Like, yeah, I think that's cool.

SPEAKER_00 40:56

I had another name. It was when I first started, it was only only.

SPEAKER_01 41:01

Only only only.

SPEAKER_00 41:02

And it was based on a radiohead song. Uh-huh. And in one, I f I don't even I forget the song. I think it's in Amnesiac, the album. But he he just like he says only only. Well, he sings it. I can't sing, but or else I'd do it. But and I just love that part of the song. And I was thinking of names, and that only only. But the problem is only only was taken, so I used wands instead. And then I'd like be like, Hey, what's your Instagram when I do portraits? Yeah. This was before I had the GoPro. So they were only just the I would put up portraits, just the photography.

SPEAKER_03 41:36

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 41:37

And they'd be like, only they would couldn't find it, you know, because the wands and stuff. And I was like, this is not sustainable. Yeah, this is not gonna work. That's so I need a new name. Yeah. So then I went home and made a spreadsheet of names, and Pale Blue Wave came up, and I was like, that sounds good.

SPEAKER_01 41:54

That's awesome.

SPEAKER_00 41:54

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 41:55

Yeah. Do you would you ever change like would you ever use your actual name? Or do you like having like a different, like, I don't know, alias? Like, I don't know.

SPEAKER_00 42:04

Nah. The idea of like being a public figure is terrifying to me.

SPEAKER_02 42:10

Really?

SPEAKER_00 42:10

Yes.

SPEAKER_02 42:11

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 42:12

So I was always really afraid of having my name out there.

SPEAKER_02 42:16

Uh-huh.

SPEAKER_00 42:17

So for me, it's like perfect to have pale blue wave. Because I can like live, I can be that. And to me, it's like separate from me.

SPEAKER_01 42:27

Yeah, that makes sense. You know, like compartmentalized kind of.

SPEAKER_00 42:30

Exactly.

SPEAKER_01 42:30

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 42:31

And I'd rather much rather have people be like, You're pale blue wave than say my name.

SPEAKER_01 42:35

I'd be like, that'd be like freaky. Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 42:37

And I don't want people like showing up in my house.

SPEAKER_01 42:39

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 42:40

You know?

SPEAKER_01 42:40

People are crazy. Yeah, it makes sense. Yeah. That's why I asked if people like hang out on like Hawthorne or you said it's called.

SPEAKER_00 42:47

Like, I feel like people would do that. That's like my nightmares. Like, I need security or something.

SPEAKER_01 42:51

No one, no one could do that. Oh, okay. I wanted to ask you what advice do you have for it? Doesn't have to be for people wanting to do exactly what you're doing, but just for anyone wanting to like tell more of a story and like get people to open up in front of their camera. Like I know you said you just kind of like be are yourself, but like do you have any advice for people who feel like they're like stuck where they can't tell a story right now and they're just taking photos?

SPEAKER_00 43:23

I feel so underqualified to answer. Honestly. Uh I get people moving. If they're really stiff, which happens all the time, I make them like shake out, like you know, like that. Like little kid, like because it's so silly, you know. And I also make people do circle, like turn around, uh huh. And just it like breaks them out of the like I'm getting my photo taken.

SPEAKER_01 43:50

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 43:51

And I'll like their back is to me. They're like spinning, you know?

SPEAKER_01 43:54

Yeah. Do you take photos of that or is it just like to get the it's like all flowing?

SPEAKER_00 43:58

Like to me, it's all flow. Uh huh.

SPEAKER_01 43:59

So

SPEAKER_00 44:00

With the camera is like it's just all happens. So I'm always taking photos and then I'm talking and I'm so it's like this flow thing happening. But mm, yeah, I if it's really stiff movement and uh walking, I'll change position change locations and then talk more.

SPEAKER_01 44:20

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 44:20

And I talk a lot.

SPEAKER_01 44:21

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 44:22

Oh man. Oh my god.

SPEAKER_01 44:24

Do you feel like that helps people open up when you talk? Yeah. Because I just you just yap.

SPEAKER_00 44:29

Oh my god. I am such it's crazy to me because that's not my well, it is my normal. Like if I go get a beer with someone, I can just go off, you know? Yeah. Like with someone, talk, have a conversation. But also if someone's quiet or like I feel their energy really, really well. Like I feel that's the other thing why I think I'm good at this, is because I can read someone immediately.

SPEAKER_01 44:51

Pick up on their energy.

SPEAKER_00 44:52

Immediately, and I know how to match it, you know. So it's like if they feel standoff, I'm like standoff, but also still there, you know. I'm not gonna approach, I'm just know how to react right away to people.

SPEAKER_01 45:07

Do you feel like that helps like matching their energy that helps people open up?

SPEAKER_00 45:10

I definitely think so. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So if someone's like really quiet, well, it's not matching the energy. If someone's really quiet and nervous, I can like feel that, and then I something loosens up in me, knowing that they I don't want them to have to think about it. So I'm just gonna yap.

SPEAKER_01 45:29

They need you to like I don't know, be that part of the conversation.

SPEAKER_00 45:33

Just like take the reins, you know, and lead and be like, oh, like here, what a whatever I say. Sometimes I'm like reading or I I watch my GoPro footage and I'm like, what am I talking about? Like, this is crazy.

SPEAKER_01 45:48

I do that on photo shoots, like, especially if I have like a client who's a little more shy. Like, I will call my husband after and be like, I just I was on one, like I was just yapping, I don't even know what I was talking about. He probably thought I was so weird, but I do feel like it helps people loosen up a little bit.

SPEAKER_00 46:02

See, I think they love it.

SPEAKER_01 46:03

I don't think I think they just like I like to think they do, but it's almost like the attention's off them.

SPEAKER_00 46:08

Yeah, right? Yeah, you're kind of like pulling the nerve nervousness, yeah. And you're look how ridiculous.

SPEAKER_01 46:14

When you're being like goofy, it's like you can't possibly feel self-conscious. Look at me like I'm being ridiculous.

SPEAKER_00 46:19

So I just make bad jokes and like like try to get them to laugh really. Yeah. You know? I don't have any lines ever, but it's just like, what am I gonna say? Yeah. You know, what's gonna come out of my mouth today? I feel the same way. That's so funny that you say that.

SPEAKER_01 46:35

What is okay, I lied one more question. What's the impact you want to leave on like photography and the photography industry as a whole?

SPEAKER_00 46:42

I guess for me it's like I want people to be able to just look at me and be like, yeah, he really, he really took it seriously and like really wanted to improve.

SPEAKER_02 46:53

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 46:54

And he really dedicated himself to the craft. I think that's what is most important to me. I want people to be when I'm like gone, to be like, he was prolific.

SPEAKER_01 47:06

Uh-huh.

SPEAKER_00 47:07

Like he really went for it.

SPEAKER_01 47:09

Yeah. Like he put all of himself into what he was doing.

SPEAKER_00 47:12

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 47:12

Yeah. That's super cool. I feel like people are afraid to do that, like afraid to put themselves out there that much. So I think that's cool.

SPEAKER_00 47:18

It's scary. You have to sacrifice a lot.

SPEAKER_01 47:20

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 47:21

That's the thing. And it's sometimes overwhelming to sacrifice, but also I think it's I think I was put here to do that, to sacrifice and to like put all of my energy into this.

SPEAKER_01 47:36

So I think it's awesome. I think a lot of people look up to you. I look up to you. I think you've been a bit a big inspiration for me for like, I don't know, even just so scary for me to like walk up and ask random people to take their photos and trying to convince myself to do it again because it was so scary. But just like, I feel like you show people that photography is more than just taking the photo and it's about like telling the story. So I think there are a lot of people that look up to you and yeah, I've wanted to pick your brain for a long time. So this has been really fun, but thanks for chatting with me. Um would you tell everyone where they can like find and follow you, like your socials, all that stuff. Sure. I'll link it in the description.

SPEAKER_00 48:17

Yeah, you can find me at PaleBlue Wave almost everywhere. I think I'm at the Pale Blue Wave on TikTok because my first one got deleted. But other than that, just pale blue wave, and you're gonna find everything basically.

SPEAKER_02 48:31

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 48:32

So if you want to see everything, like Instagram, but I'm trying to push YouTube, but also I need my YouTube's crazy. So like I'm most like most all all of my work is on Instagram. TikTok only has a little bit of it. So Instagram, Facebook, Facebook has most of it.

SPEAKER_01 48:50

Okay, and all the girls go follow his YouTube. So he has more girls on YouTube.

SPEAKER_00 48:54

That would be amazing.

SPEAKER_01 48:55

And comment I think I have like 80% girls listening to my podcast, so maybe I'll help you out.

SPEAKER_00 49:00

Please help my because I want to post all my men there. You know, but it's like a time investment. You know? No, it makes sense. But it makes me feel bad. Yeah, it makes me feel that's not how I want it to be. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 49:11

I'll like and comment.

SPEAKER_00 49:13

Thank you. Thank you.

SPEAKER_01 49:15

And then tell us uh tell everyone about your like Patreon and things like that, if they want to like see your tutorials and all that kind of stuff.

SPEAKER_00 49:22

Yeah, that's nice.

SPEAKER_01 49:23

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 49:24

If you're a photographer or if you just want to support me, you can go to Patreon and it's Patreon slash pale blue wave, patreon.com slash pale blue wave, if you want to do that. You don't have to. But yeah, I do all my I do a bunch of edits so you can see how I edit. My whole current style, I'd say. And there's some like QA stuff, but this is way better than that.

SPEAKER_01 49:48

So no, everyone should go check it out. Go follow him on Instagram and YouTube and everything. Girls, go to YouTube.

SPEAKER_00 49:56

Thank you.

SPEAKER_01 49:56

Yeah. Thanks so much for chatting with me. This has been great. And tune in for next week. Um, thanks for listening, you guys. Bye.