Retired Army Officer Exposes the Truth About Marxism | KCarl Smith Ep. 008

Most people have heard of Frederick Douglass, but few have heard the liberty message he actually carried.

In this episode of The Defending Freedom Show, retired U.S. Army officer and author KCarl Smith breaks down the contrast between Frederick Douglass and Karl Marx, why Marxism continues to influence American culture, and why Douglass’ message of God given rights, personal responsibility, and true freedom still matters today.

This is a conversation about history, liberty, faith, and the fight for America’s soul.

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Transcript

SPEAKER_01 0:00

You gotta immediately decide who you're gonna follow. Frederick Douglass, a man who was oppressed, a slave, discovered his God, given the gifts and talents, and believe our rights come from God, or Karl Marx, who uh believe your rights come from men and who tried to get rid of religion. You know, you grew up in a democratic household, and I was a Democrat not because I studied for party, but because uh I was supposed to be a Democrat. Freedom and Progress Republican Party, he did not say Freedom and Progress Democrat Party. Because here's what I have discovered. Most people who embrace Marxism have never heard the liberty message of Frederick Douglass. And once you hear the liberty message of Frederick Douglass, that's in complete contrast to call Marx. You get it.

SPEAKER_02 1:03

He's an author. Uh he's become a friend, and man, what he's gonna share today is so powerful. Um he's written several books on the life and legacy of Frederick Douglass and comparing his life to Karl Marx. And we're gonna get into all of that today on the Defending Freedom Show. And so I'm excited to welcome my guest today, Kay Carl Smith. K. Carl, welcome to the Defending Freedom Show, man.

SPEAKER_01 1:29

I'm glad to be back with you again. Always great to rub elbows with you. You know that.

SPEAKER_02 1:33

Hey man, brother. Man, I'm I'm glad to have you. So, man, let's let's start off. Let's just um I want to go back to to how you grew up. You know, I've heard your story, but a lot of our audience hasn't. You know, you grew up in a democratic household. You know, what what what was that like? What was that what is that political identity built on?

SPEAKER_01 1:51

I grew up in Huntsville, Alabama. Well, um I was born in Pine Bluff, Arkansas. So my father being a math genius in 1963, 64, he was recruited by uh the German scientist von Braun. So we moved from Pine Bluff, Arkansas to Huntsville, Alabama. That's where I grew up. And um actually my parents were staunch Republicans until 1963, 64 timeframe, and then because of the Goldwater campaign and all that kind of stuff, when a lot of blacks left the Republican Party and my pam my family became uh my parents became Democrats. So my knowledge of being a political party was being a Democrat. And I was a Democrat not because I studied both parties, but because of I thought I was supposed to be a Democrat, right? Um my people in my community were Democrats, the leaders of my community were Democrats. My parents at that time were Democrats, so I grew up with the idea that I was born to be a Democrat, right? So I thought.

SPEAKER_02 2:51

Yeah. What so we're gonna get into Frederick Douglass, man, but uh that I think that was a life-changing moment for you when you encountered Frederick Douglass writing, when you started learning about him. What when when did you discover Frederick Douglass?

SPEAKER_01 3:06

Wow, the point I discovered Frederick Douglass. I knew about him, but I didn't really know him. Uh somebody sent me an email one time. When the emails were becoming popular, started coming out, and there's a quote they sent me, and it grabbed my attention. In that quote, Douglass said, I am a Republican. A black, die in the world Republican. I never intend to belong to any other party, the party for progress. Well, being a Democrat, I read Douglas was Republican. I said, wait a minute. Frederick Douglass was an Uncle Tom? And in that quote, he said, Freedom and Progress, Republican Party, and he did not say Freedom, Freedom and Progress, Democrat Party. I said, why did he say Democrat Party? Why Republican Party? So that started me where I went on a reading bench. I read Douglas' three autobiographies. I read every, almost every biography that was in print I could get my hands on about Douglas, not just about his life, but also about his writings. I read all his lectures. Um I read academic papers on Douglas. I mean, I went on like an 18-month reading bench on Douglas to learn more about his life, but also to learn more about his philosophy about liberty and things we're probably gonna get into. And so I was just so captivated with this guy, what he was able to accomplish, but also his thoughts on the things we're dealing with today. Um dealing with liberty and the constitution, things of those sorts.

SPEAKER_02 4:40

Yeah, and it how did okay, so you got into it, you read it, had an impact on your life, you know.

SPEAKER_01 4:49

He turned my thinking right side up. Right. Um, I'm a graduate of a historical black college, Alabama Anham University. And the one piece of writing that turned my thinking right side up happened to deal with the three-fifth clause. So when I was in college, I was taught, and people are still being taught this today, that the Constitution regarding the three-fifth clause meant that blacks are three-fifths of a human being. And then when I read Douglas, what Douglass said about it in 1861, he was in Glasgow, Scotland, and Douglass said the three-fifth clause has nothing to do with the personhood of a black individual. It's all based on liberty the congressional representation of the slave states. When I read that, I said, Oh my gosh, what else is it that I don't know that I thought I knew? So that right there turned my thinking right side up. The whole thing, what Douglas said about the three-fifth clause.

SPEAKER_02 5:43

And when and so when your thinking got turned right side up, there what you know it sh it shifted the way you voted. And then what what happened? There was a was there a family dynamic there? What happened when that when that took place?

SPEAKER_01 5:55

Um it shifted the way in terms of my my not the way I well, yeah, it did too. But really what I gotta go back a little bit further. Before um I got into Frederick Douglass, what shifted the way I was voting was uh reading um out of the Bible, uh, and I'm having a I'm having a brain cramp here. Um I was reading the Bible where it says, examine yourself, make sure you're solid in the faith, don't take anything for granted. So I started testing myself. And when I tested myself, I found I was voting the opposite of my values. Wow. And so Douglass came in later. So I grew up as a conservative, but that's not the word we use in our community to describe ourselves. I had conservative values, but I wasn't voting that way when I was voting uh at based on the Democrat Party's platform. So when I read that Bible verse, it put me in immediate conflict.

SPEAKER_02 6:51

Wow.

SPEAKER_01 6:51

I'm not, I don't, I don't believe in same-sex marriage. I don't believe in abortion, but I'm voting that way. And so when I had that come to Jesus moment, that's when God put on my heart that I was a political schizophrenic. I'm voting the opposite of my worship. I raise holy hand on Sundays, but when it comes to voting, I go to that that booth, I'm voting the opposite of my worship. And that's a mental illness in my book, biblically speaking.

SPEAKER_02 7:18

Yeah, biblically speaking. So the so could the Bible couple, I think, I think Frederick Douglass ended up being the the bridge back to communicating with your family because I don't, from what I understand, they didn't take that very well, right?

SPEAKER_01 7:33

Um when I start aligning myself with conservatism in the Republican Party, this is before the Frederick Douglass piece came to me. Of course, like many families, you're gonna become the Uncle Tom of the family, you're gonna be ostracized, you're gonna be disinvited from Thanksgiving dinners and from barbecues, that kind of thing went on. But over a period of time, when God started preaking my spirit with the Frederick Douglass moniker and the liberty message of Frederick Douglass, everything changed. I I'm I'm proud to say that. All my siblings, to include my parents before they passed away, they identified themselves politically as Frederick Douglass Republicans in lieu of saying conservative.

SPEAKER_02 8:13

Wow, that's awesome. And so, man, let's unpack Frederick Douglass. Let's unpack his life, his legacy, his values. I mean, why does why does Frederick's Douglass' life matter today? And why is he not the forefront of I mean, we we're coming up on the 250th anniversary of our country. I feel like Frederick Douglass should be right out in front with all the other founding fathers.

SPEAKER_01 8:39

Yeah, you gotta have Douglas in that conversation to me. If you're gonna talk about the founding principles, the Constitution, liberty, why not have a guy in the center of that conversation who was a slave? Even all these documents had these great things in it, our country really wasn't practicing it. So, Douglass, if all people, he he will he will be the one to say, I don't I don't like the Constitution, I disagree with the Founding Fathers. He didn't say that. He admired the Founding Fathers and he called the U.S. Constitution a glorious liberty document. So why not have him in the middle of our focal point of our message? Because, number one, why Douglass? Number one, you cannot victimize him. Number two, it is impossible, in my view, to win an argument with a runaway slave about his admiration for the Founding Fathers and his respect for the U.S. Constitution. And his whole idea that our God our rights come from God, not from government. That's the basis of our of our country, of this great experiment, right? Douglass wrote about that. He spoke about it, but he had a former slave experience. That's what I think is so makes him so universal.

SPEAKER_02 9:53

Wow, that's awesome. And you know, um, what you know, so he escaped slavery.

SPEAKER_01 10:00

He escaped slavery. Um so born in 1818, uh, the way I like to put it, since Douglass was born into slavery, he was basically born below poverty. And he was a slave for the first 20 years of his life, never owned a pair of shoes until he was eight years old, never slept to bed to age 10. He was homeschooled, self-taught. He started his own homeschooling program to learn how to read and write because it was against the law. And kind of fast-forward a little bit, uh, while as a slave, he started a reading ministry on the plantation to teach other slaves how to read and write, to prepare them for liberty. Because Doug's believed that if you can't read and write, even though you escape, you're gonna be a slave wherever you go. So literacy was was crucial. That education was crucial. So kind of fast forward a little bit, Douglas uh wrote three autobiographies. Most folks that I've read have only written one autobiography. Douglass wrote three autobiographies covering different uh segments of his life. He was an advisor to five Republican presidents. Wow. Most folks don't get a chance to meet one president. This man was advisor to five Republican presidents: Abraham Lincoln, Ulysses S. Grant, James Garfield, Rutherford Hayes, and Benjamin Harrison. And this tidbit about Douglass' life just blew my mind based on a couple of biographies I read. Then they say that at the time of his death in 1895, Douglass died of a massive heart attack. This man who was a slave for 20 years had $300,000 in savings. Wow. That's over $10 million today. So when you think about it, this man began his life as a sub-zero percenter and he died a 1%er. And I'm also curious, what was his action plan? How did he achieve this? Because I believe success is not a secret. Success is a system. What was Douglas' system for success? And that's when I learned that he was the avid reader. He understood basically his God-given uh rights, he took his God-given gifts, his God-given talents, he took his obsession, and he made a profession. That's basically what he did. And then when you when you're when your purpose in your life is aligned with, or your passion is aligned with God's purpose for your life, God pays child support, right? Money will follow you. You don't have to chase it. And that's why I learned by studying Douglas. Discover your passion, make sure your passion is aligned with your God-given purpose, and move forward. And God will provide.

SPEAKER_02 12:36

Wow, man. And um I was on with a guest in a in a former episode, and we were talking about the history of America and how stuff just isn't being taught in in schools today, you know. And uh Frederick Douglass, he's this he's not being taught accurately in education. And I would imagine that there are movements uh that would probably characterize him or use him in a way that's inaccurate. And I mean, why why do you think that is?

SPEAKER_01 13:06

I I think a couple things come to mind. Um and you brought up bring up a very good point. Most folks know Douglas as an abolitionist, as a former slave. But very few people understand that Douglas is probably the one the most sophisticated thinkers of his of his time. And and they don't see Douglass as a philosopher. Um but once you understand Douglas as a philosopher, as a thinker, just as a powerful thinker as uh Karl Marx or anybody out there, you really look at him differently and really appreciate his slave, former slave experience and how he took that experience and he articulated that. Because one thing what Douglas did, he wrote out all of his lectures. And by writing all of his lectures out, we have his philosophy, we have his thinking, and that's what I think is missing a lot. People don't see Douglass as a thinker. They may want to quote him, but they don't look at the the entirety of things he had to say.

SPEAKER_02 14:10

Yeah. Well, uh uh you know a lot of his writings and a lot of his speeches. He has one called uh I think it's called the Self-Made Men speech. And it talks about his view of liberty, effort, personal responsibility.

SPEAKER_01 14:23

Uh can you talk about just his work ethic and how he that lecture, Seth Made Men, was his favorite speech. His most famous speech was what to the uh What to the Slaves of Fourth of July. But that Seth Mate Men speech, he would carry that speech around with him in his pocket. And he probably gave it about 50 or 60 times. And so in that speech, he laid out his action plan for success. And what he talked about, how you become successful. And one thing he says is your work ethic. You gotta work, work, work, work, work, he said. And and then once you understand that, you gotta become a servant. If you say you want to be great, you gotta serve. You gotta become a servant to people. So he applied uh all these different matter of fact, I wrote another book that you probably don't know about it yet, but when I wrote Douglas versus Marx, I wrote a book entitled Unchained Ascent. But that book was written about two years ago. What Unchained Ascent is, I took Douglas' self-made man lecture, which is which outlines his action plan for success. I made it more contemporary for the day as a self-help book. And the book is entitled Unchained Ascent, meaning that if you go into a sin, you have to unchain yourself from things that are gonna hold you back. It could be alcoholism, could be a victim mentality, or things of that sort. So if you go into sin, you gotta unchain yourself. And how do you unchain yourself? There's some things you got you got to look in the mirror. And then you gotta apply certain things. You gotta apply a work ethic, you gotta apply leadership, you gotta take education seriously, you gotta get the word try out of your vocabulary, you gotta get the word impossible out of your vocabulary, things like that. And that's what Douglas wrote. And I his thought I like about Douglas whatever you read his action plan for life, the action plan that worked for a slave to become advisor of five U.S. presidents, $300,000 of bank, if you apply yourself, that same action plan can work for a free person.

SPEAKER_02 16:26

Right. Work for anybody.

SPEAKER_01 16:27

That's right. You just have to apply yourself.

SPEAKER_02 16:29

Right.

SPEAKER_01 16:30

And know and know what those things are and be serious about it.

SPEAKER_02 16:34

Ah, it's powerful, man. Well, you mentioned uh you you as you were saying that you you mentioned Karl Marx.

SPEAKER_01 16:41

Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 16:42

Let's get into that, man. You wrote a book here, Douglas versus Marx, your latest book that you've that you've just uh published in.

SPEAKER_01 16:49

Douglas versus Marx, The Battle for America's Soul. That book did not pop in my head one night I started to write it. That's really about 15, 16 years in the making. Because the reason why I say that, because it took me a while to understand that Douglas was a philosopher. I didn't just pick that thought up. Because the more I read him, the more realized this man has a lot to say that we need to hear today. And so I already knew Douglas, I knew Douglas well, and then I just started picking up a book about Karl Marx. And when I saw 1818, both Karl Marx and Frederick Douglass were born in 1818. They were contemporaries. They never met. I said, wait a minute. What a justification. These two men were born in 1818, they never met, the father of communism and America's greatest liberty messenger. What if I put them in the same room and introduced them properly? What would Douglas have to say to Karl Marx? Because by having being a student of Douglass, I knew that all the claims of Marxism, Douglass wrote about it. Free speech. Karl Marx called religion the opium of the masses. Douglass talked about religion. Douglass talked about where our God-given rights come from. Karl Marx talked about your rights come from government. Karl Marx talked about the government should take care of the education of your child. Douglas talked about and wrote about parental involvement in the education of the child, free speech, right to keep and bear arms, immigration. So all the claims of Marxism, Douglass wrote about that. I said, let's put them in the same room. And let's see what happens. So in writing this book, nothing is made up. What Marx said and what Douglass said is actually based on their own beliefs, what they wrote, what they had it said in the interviews, and we have source documents to back them up. So in this it's 31 interviews, they go at it discussing all the claims of Marxism, every single one of them. Even the Constitution, even the three-fifths clause, because Marx saw the Constitution as a tool used by the oppressor to keep the oppressed down. And uh but Douglas didn't see that. So it's amazing that two men who were concerned about oppression in the world came up with two totally opposite worldviews. Totally opposite. I said, let them let them debate this. And so bottom line is it should be no surprise to anyone that Douglass crushes Marx. Not because I rigged it that way, simply because Douglas is right was right, but also because we had the benefit of history. We can go back to the 19th century and we can see that wherever Marxism was put in place or implemented, it's always failed. Because misery, poverty, mass murders. That's why Douglas wins.

SPEAKER_02 19:58

Yeah, and it's interesting. Let's talk about Karl Marx for a second, right? So this guy was born into bourgeoisie comfort.

SPEAKER_01 20:06

I use his own word. His father was a lawyer. Um he he married into money. Karl Marx never had a real job in his life. He spent most of his time in coffee shops and in libraries coming up with theories about oppression. Oppression that he never experienced, by the way. So he wrote about things he never experienced. Frederick Douglass wrote about things that he did experience. He was a slave. He understood oppression. You see the contrast? Yes. And Karl Marx, of course, father was a lawyer. He knew his father. Douglas' father, the rumor was, was his slave master who put him in slavery. So he really had a little, he didn't have a father in his life. Kind of fast-forward that a little bit. Karl Marx, of course, relied on other men's money or other people's money to provide for his family because he wouldn't work. As a matter of fact, in one of the debates in the book, we came up with where Douglass confronts Karl Marx regarding his lack of work ethic and providing for his family. And so in every uh dialogue, it ends with a a drop micro from Frederick Douglass or Zinger, where Douglass just dropped the mic at the end of the debate, right? In this particular debate, Douglass says to Karl Marx, any man that does not put forth the effort to provide for his family has no business trying to lead a nation. Amen. That's a drop mic. And so um I I the one thing I I love about the book is, and what people like about it, it's not, it's totally non-political. It's good it's really good versus evil. Right. When you think about it. Right. Um what Douglas said. What Marx said. So it's it's not pumping up any particular party, it but it's focusing on the exceptionalism of the founding fathers and why they why they wrote a document that says we the people and our God given rights that are unalienable. That's the focus. Because that's what Karl Marx was attacking, and that's what Douglas defended based on real life experiences.

SPEAKER_02 22:23

Right. And see, you know, it's amazing when I look at the culture today in America, right? It it really is good versus evil. And you have a a generation today that's uh caught up in these movements where they kind of embrace Marxism, they embrace socialism, and be and I don't they don't understand what it does. They don't understand that it that the the fact that they live in a country that gives them the freedoms to do all the things they do, if they embrace a socialist Marxist, those freedoms go away. That's right. They don't exist, but yet it's so attractive to people. And versus like Douglas, here's a guy who was in slavery, like you said, below poverty, rose out of that, was a champion for liberty, for the Constitution, for the Declaration of Independence, you know, did all the things he did because of the freedoms given to him by those, by the our form of government. Right. And people want to tear it down today, and I don't think they fully understand what they're doing and what that would what would happen if they did that.

SPEAKER_01 23:29

Because here's what I have discovered. Most people who embrace Marxism have never heard the liberty message from the writings of Frederick Douglass. And once you hear the liberty message of Frederick Douglass, that's in complete contrast to Karl Marx, you get it. I go back to Thomas Sowell. I was watching a video, Thomas Sowell was being interviewed, and a lot of people don't know that in his younger days, Thomas Sowell wasn't without Marxists. And somebody asked him one time, well, now you're this world-famous conservative economist. What happened? He said, I finally heard the counter message. Frederick Douglass is a counter message. But nobody had never heard that because it goes back to my previous point. They never introduced Douglas as a philosopher. They may give one or two quotes, but when you get one or two quotes, you can't connect that with him being a philosopher. Okay? But once you understand Douglas is a philosopher and he wrote about everything that Karl Marx or Marxism or socialism pushes, Douglas wrote about it. Matter of fact, I I contend that Douglass defeated Marxism before Marxism became a word. Here's my point why I'm saying that. We know that Douglas wrote extensively about his experience as a slave. He wrote about the plantation of slavery. He wrote about the psychology behind slavery. Matter of fact, he had a speech Douglas entitled The Nature of Slavery, and he broke it down. In that speech, he said the first aim of slavery is to separate a man and a woman from God, is to get rid of God.

SPEAKER_00 25:10

Wow.

SPEAKER_01 25:10

Well, guess what? That's the first aim of Marxism. So the techniques of oppression used by Marxist regimes are identical to the techniques of oppression used by the plantation slave master. So Douglass wrote about that. And guess what? They're identical to what Marxism is all about. That's why I contend Douglas wrote about and argued against Marxism before Marxism was ever invented. The word was, because he wrote about the techniques of slave on the plantation, which is identical to Marxism.

SPEAKER_02 25:42

So Which is crazy because you look at the founders of the BLM movement. That's right. And they're, you know, they're riding on this idea that we still have slavery in America, that we're slaves, that there's oppression and people of color and all that. But yet what you just said was so profound because it's almost ironic because they actually openly came out and said that they are trained Marxists. They're trained Marxists, but they're actually trained from the same philosophy that actually put people into slavery.

SPEAKER_01 26:18

Exactly right. That's right. And I guarantee you, they never heard the liberty message of Frederick Douglass. Never heard it. Wow. Because why? Well, one thing about the book that I like, and this book is the first book and the only book of its kind. Nobody has ever taken Karl Marx and Frederick Douglass and put them into a debate based on source documents, based on what they wrote, based on their beliefs. Nobody's ever done that. And that's why I'm getting a lot of feedback from people who are buying the book from parents and college students. They're not putting this book on the shelf. They're carrying this book with them because at the end of every debate, you have a reflection, you have talking points, things you can use in your conversations every day to help you better articulate that particular aspect of that debate. I don't care if it's immigration, parental school choice, DEI, equality, the U.S. Constitution, and then you have discussion questions, and you have guided solutions to those questions. So it's really a built-in curriculum.

SPEAKER_02 27:28

Yeah, that's awesome. And you you have a great story of a young man there. KJ KJ that challenged a college professional. Can you tell us that story?

SPEAKER_01 27:37

Powerful. So KJ had been reading Douglas versus Marks. And KJ is a uh uh college student, and by him having been read uh being a reader of Douglas versus Marks, he's in his history class. And in his this happened last year, by the way, in his history class, the teacher got up and said the Constitution is a racist document, and he referred to the three-fifths clause, saying that he told the students that blacks were considered three-fifths of a person. Well, since KJ had been reading the Douglas versus Marks book, he immediately interjected respectfully and challenged the teacher. Um he won the argument because what happened, he brought in Douglas. The teacher didn't know what Douglass had said about the three-fifth clause. So Douglass not only won the argument, he won the classroom. Wow. Because the students in that classroom came to him afterwards wanting where they could get the book because they want to be informed. And I think that's what has to happen, uh, Colby, is that no, we're fighting our public school systems, and we got to continue that fight to, because right now our school system, including college campuses, they are, in my opinion, Marxist indoctrination centers. How are we gonna fix that? It's a long fight, 20, 30 years. So what we must do, we as parents, as pastors, we gotta make sure our children are prepared before they walk into the classroom like KJ was. He would have to sit there and accept it as truth. He wouldn't know. Right. That's why, getting to your point earlier, a lot of young people think socialism is cool because they never heard the liberty message of Frederick Douglass. And when they hear it, you gotta immediately decide who you're gonna follow. Frederick Douglass, a man who was oppressed, a slave, who rose and discovered his God giving gifts and talents, and believe our rights come from God, or Karl Marx, who had never had a real job in his life, who believed your rights come from men, not government, and who tried to get rid of religion. Matter of fact, he he called for the elimination of religion. Because under Marxism, you if they're going to oppress you and control you, they gotta make sure that you don't see anything that's above them. They gotta be your God. Wow. If they see that you worship or you honor something that's above them, then they have a problem controlling you. And others write about that. Marxism, slavery, same word for oppression.

SPEAKER_02 30:29

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SPEAKER_01 32:01

I mean, and Karl Marx, based on my readings, he wasn't an he wasn't an atheist, he was a Satanist. Right. And so again, the point is I I want people to understand is that Douglas has been the answer all along. Doug has been the answer how we can really get America back on track by embracing his message of liberty, and because what he says really is in line with the founding principles. But you got a man who's a former slave saying this, that carries a lot of weight. That makes Douglas having such a universal appeal. Right. And the left left has no answer for that.

SPEAKER_02 32:42

Man, such such a powerful, powerful message. Um you know, for somebody who's nervous about kind of talking about these subjects or even raising these topics, what would be your advice to them?

SPEAKER_01 32:55

Become a student, actually. The Bible says, you know, carefully study and show yourself approved, right? So I would say you got to get a copy of K. Carl's latest book, Doug vs. Marks, because what's happening is I'm getting phone calls and emails from people. Pastors are using this book to help them deal with the cultural battle they're facing. Because a lot of these pastors, they weren't trained in seminary school how to identify Marxism or how to confront it. And it definitely wasn't trained how to use it, leveraging the life and the liberty message of Frederick Douglass. So the book gives them that. Parents and grandparents are using this book because I got grandparents calling me and parents calling me. They're reading the different dialogues to their child at night before they go to sleep as a story. Almost like reading Aesop fables.

SPEAKER_02 33:50

Yeah, I'm excited to do that, by the way, starting with my nine-year-old.

SPEAKER_01 33:53

Yeah, exactly right. And students use this. I have eight grandchildren all homeschooled, and I sent a book to my son for the grandkids. They immediately came back saying, Oh, Paw Paul, we want our own book. I'm not gonna wait on Micah to finish reading the book. I need my own book. And they want their own book. And because it's a learning tool. So this is not, I would say this is not a history book. A history book tells you what happened. This is a tactical manual. This book tells you how to achieve victory, how to fight Marxism, how to fight the false narrative of it, of Marxism, how to restore godly principles, how to be on the offense and not the defense and have conversations and not confrontations. How to have a conversation with that child or that grandchild who's gone off to college. Now you didn't raise them as a socialist, but they go to college and become indoctrinated, they come back as a socialist. Now, how do you engage them at the dinner table? How do you deliver them from that mindset? Yeah and and the answer is read to Douglas.

SPEAKER_02 35:03

Wow. What's what's been um your experience uh taking this message into uh the black community when you go and speak uh to people?

SPEAKER_01 35:17

Um I'm getting phone calls from black Democrat history teachers. They love it because it's non-political. Yeah. It's the truth what Douglas said. It's the truth what Karl Mark said. And people want to know the truth. So by being non-political, because some of my other books I wrote, they were pretty political. Yeah. But the word Republican's not in here, Democrats not in here, conservative word conservative is not in here, liberal, progressive, no. No, none of those, none of that matters in this.

SPEAKER_02 35:51

Um it's just Douglas versus Marx. That's it.

SPEAKER_01 35:55

Douglas versus Marx, day versus like, be honest with you. Is that clear? And so when you see the contrast, um, when you when you read the dialogues or the debates, the contrast is clear. The contrast is clear. And like I said, these are things that Karl Marx said. These are things that Douglas said about that particular topic. It pops out. And again, one thing about the book at the end of the book is that it is there is a excuse me, an extensive source document list where I'm not making this stuff up. I'm telling you where I'm getting information, what books I read, where are these quotes coming from, um, where Karl Marx quotes coming from. Um, it wasn't a difficult to find out what Marx had to say. It's out there.

SPEAKER_00 36:40

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 36:41

But Douglas took it more of a chance. Well, having the fact that I had been reading Douglass for years, it made it easier. But uh the beautiful thing about this, thank God we have the literary legacy of Frederick Douglass to defeat the lies, the false rhetoric of Marxism, socialism.

SPEAKER_02 37:03

That's why Douglas wins all the time, man. That's so awesome. Uh not to put you on the spot, man, but I think you've got them pretty well memorized. But uh for our audience, what are uh the life empowering values of Frederick Douglass? I'm not gonna give the numbers, so in case you can't make it up, but you know what what are some of the things he believed in, man? I'm gonna put myself under the gun here.

SPEAKER_01 37:26

So we've there basically what we call 12 life empowering values of Frederick Douglass. When you look at Douglass's life, what are the things he spoke about and he uh he leaned on in terms of um when it comes to liberty? Well, respect for the U.S. Constitution. He wrote about that extensively, especially in his 4th of July speech coming up. He referred to the Constitution as a as a glorious liberty document. Respect for life, the belief in the limited power of government, number three, the belief in personal responsibility comes out of 2 Thessalonians. If a man doesn't work, he shouldn't eat. Number five, free speech. Douglas wrote about that. Six, religious liberty. Doug's also, number seven, um, I think it's seven, parental school choice. Douglas wrote about economic prosperity. He believed in the free market system. Uh, in the one in the debates we have in the book, they're discussing that capitalism. Uh I think the title of that debate is Capitalist Should Be Done Away With Because It's Evil. And Douglas starts that debate off saying, Look, uh, Carl, I'm not gonna use the word capitalism. That's the word you invented. I'm gonna call it free market system because it's free. I can engage in contracts if I want to, and I don't have if I don't want to. But that's the word you created. So I'm not gonna get caught up in that. That's part of the debate. Uh, some other, let me continue the life, empower, and values. I lost my account, but I think I know where I am. Uh the right to vote. Um, at that time it was the women's suffrage movement was alive. So Douglass supported women's rights in terms of voting. Okay. Uh immigration, legal immigration. Douglas wrote about immigration. He wrote about open borders, basically. And Douglas so called Marx. No, you won't, Douglas says, you won't open borders to create chaos and destroy a nation. I want not to be open borders, but I want an orderly fashion where people can come to this country to build this country. But they have to do it the legal way. That's right. Wow.

SPEAKER_02 39:26

Even back then, that's amazing.

SPEAKER_01 39:28

And uh, and the last one I think that that number 12 would be um, and I always get lost number 12. I'm stumped on that one.

SPEAKER_02 39:38

Oh, well, people can go to your website, they can find it. Yeah, you can find it.

SPEAKER_01 39:43

It's called the 12 life empowering values for the Douglas. And when you when you really think about it, they're really called conservative values. But, you know, in my teaching, we don't use the word conservative because the left has demonized that word. So these are life-empowering values.

SPEAKER_02 39:58

Yeah, that's awesome. That's awesome. Well, you know, as we wrap up, man, what's uh what's the one thing, if you could what do you want every viewer to know, man?

SPEAKER_01 40:09

That there's a way to save this nation. Uh the changey trajectory. If you have a child that's been indoctrinated into Marxism, the question is, when they go off and go to college, the question is not um will they face Marxism indoctrination? The question is, are they gonna be prepared and stand strong against it by articulating their values uh and their faith? Because it's gonna come. And Douglass will help them do that because think in my keep in mind now, Douglas has won these arguments already. We gotta be wise now and take Douglass' arguments and move forth and crush the opposition based on their false rhetoric. That's the key. People know Douglass' name, but they don't know his arguments. Once you equip yourself with arguments, you can articulate the aspects of liberty and become a better liberty messenger and inspire people to change how they vote. Because they never heard Douglas. You brought it up earlier. Then they don't teach Douglass that way. Right. But once we understand as citizens, we got to become better liberty messengers because we can't allow on our institution to teach Douglas. We got to do it.

SPEAKER_02 41:26

Right. That's the key. We gotta set the captives free, man, with this message right here.

SPEAKER_01 41:31

Douglas is the answer all the time, and thank God he left us this literary legacy that we can raise now and help us defend the Constitution, defend our God-given rights, and strengthen our families and protect and equip the young people to prepare them to deal with this. Because this fight's not gonna end. When you and I leave this earth, Satan's not gonna stop.

SPEAKER_02 41:55

Right.

SPEAKER_01 41:55

But we got to equip and prepare our young people how to fight, how to win, and by leveraging the Liberty Message of Douglas, he won previously.

SPEAKER_02 42:03

Amen. Well said, man. Well, K. Carl, where can people follow you? Where can they find you? If they want to get a copy of the book or any other resources, where can where can they go?

SPEAKER_01 42:12

Of course, the book is on Amazon, but I encourage you, don't go to Amazon and give Bezos any more money. Come to the website, and of course, you get our website. Let me give it to you. The website is K Carl K-C-A-R-L, k call dot company dot site. S-I-T-E. Kcall.company dot site. You can uh email me from there. My phone number is there, and uh get a copy of the of the book and uh and once you buy that buy those items, you'll be on our list, and we'll send something out to you probably in the next week or so because I'm launching a podcast finally. It's called the Friends of Freedom Podcast. And so more information will come about that pretty soon.

SPEAKER_02 42:58

Alright, everyone. Uh check out this episode with K Carl. I hope you enjoyed it. And now, uh, me and K-Carl, we're gonna go over into the red zone. And this is where we take our guest into the other side where we talk about things that otherwise we wouldn't share on normal platforms. And if you want to catch the conversation that me and K Carl are gonna have in the red zone, go subscribe to our Patreon account, join the Defender Circle, and become a part of our family today. Alright, K Carl, are you ready? Let's go. Hi, man. Welcome to the Red Zone.