Financial Expert Exposes the Real Danger of Digital Currency | Kevin Freeman Ep. 010

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When our government can create unlimited money, track every transaction, and determine what we are and aren't allowed to buy, we are no longer in control of our freedom.

Kevin Freeman joins us this week on The Defending Freedom Show to expose the economic war being waged against the American dollar. He discusses inflation, the Federal Reserve, BRICS, central bank digital currency, and the growing campaign to restore real money through transactional gold and silver by practical modern methods.

This is not just basic economics. It's a fight for freedom, stewardship, and the future of our families. 

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Economic War Room: EconomicWarRoom.com
Transactional Gold Toolkit: TransactionalGold.com

Transcript

SPEAKER_02 0:00

We cannot be faithful by making the rich richer and the poor poorer. We have to be faithful by honest weights and measures so everybody has an equal opportunity. Not equal outcome, equal opportunity. This is how you beat Mamdani. Definition classically in economics of inflation is when you have more money than you have within good. Too much money taking too few goods. There's trillions of dollars of money, but we're not producing an equivalent amount of goods. Take this to America, and guess what? Then we will get the money for it right. And we can produce the two which is strong for your money, fathers in the home. This is a trust of our heart. It's a monetary trust. God wants to know. If you're not faithful with your own right with him, you will not be trusted with truth of the truth. You want the truth of God, you've got to be faithful with your money. You realize it's not my money, it's money. And being faithful means you're driving and giving. Being faithful means that you're being honest in all your monetary dealing.

SPEAKER_00 1:02

Alright, well, welcome everyone. I'm so excited for this episode of the Defending Freedom Show. And we're going to get into it with my guest today, is Kevin Freeman with the Economic War Room. He's the author of many books that you need to pick up and read, and we will drop all those in the description below. But man, I want to just jump right into this conversation. I'm so excited. This is an episode you don't want to miss and you want to share with friends and family. And so, Kevin, welcome to the Defending Freedom Show.

SPEAKER_02 1:34

Oh, thank you, Colby.

SPEAKER_00 1:35

Man, thank you for having me, man. We're in your incredible studio here in the economic war room. This is amazing. I'm just fascinated. This is so cool. This is the coolest set I've ever been on. So uh, but I want to jump right in. Um, you know, my background, uh, when I went to college, I was a uh business management major, and one of the courses I was required to take was economics. I didn't particularly care for economics, it was kind of boring to me. I just knew that I needed to take the class, I needed to just get the minimum threshold to pass and get through it. And so it wasn't very exciting for me. But since I've gotten to know you and heard you speak at Liberty Pastors Conference and started reading your books, I'm realizing the value and how important it is here in America and on a global stage. And so I'm curious, man, walk our audience through what why economic war room, what is economic warfare?

SPEAKER_02 2:34

All right, let's start with what is economics. Let's do that. I remember when I met Phil Robertson, the late great Phil Robertson from Duck Dynasty fame. You know, uh walked into his home and he's economics, don't know nothing about economics. You know, he just very agitated almost because he he he, like you, is like, you know, it's just something we get through. Now, Phil was a brilliant man. He really understood economics. Uh what it really is is money. We're talking about money. Now, from the world, the reason that everybody backs up is the world has a view of economics, they call it the dismal science. Why do they call it dismal science? Because if you look up the standard definition, it is the allocation of scarce resources. How do we allocate there's nothing fun about that? There's only four pieces of pie and five people that want to eat the pie. That's not that's not fun, especially if you're the fifth guy. And you don't get pie. But from a Christian viewpoint, biblical economics is very different. Biblical economics is stewardship. It is God has an abundance of everything, and there is God is not limited as to resources. And so, how do we properly steward the resources that God has given us? And if we're faithful in little things, he'll set us over greater things. So the whole notion of economics gets turned on its head when you take a biblical perspective. It's I'm gonna handle God's things. I'm steward of the earth. And the most important aspect of economics is how do I handle God's money? And money is so important in the scripture. You read it, Jesus talked about money about as much as he talked about anything. And you've got from the beginning of time until now, God talking about in his word and the practical use of money, where your treasure is, there your heart will be also. Or Luke 16, 11, which says, uh, if you're not faithful with your unrighteous mammon, you will never be trusted with true riches. In other words, how we handle money is a test God is giving us to determine are we gonna be believers? How are we gonna handle uh treating other people? Do you see money? Is it mine, mine, mine, mine, mine? It's their scarcity and you can't have it because I want it. That's the world's view. God's view is I've created everything. The silver and the gold, they're mine, God says. So my question is, how are you gonna handle them? And biblical economics is not a terrible thing, not a scarcity. It is stewardship from God's perspective, demonstrating where our hearts lie. So if you're an honest believer, economics should matter to you. Now you asked the second part of the question, economic warfare. Enemies of the United States have learned that they can't take on our military one-to-one head-on. It's not gonna work for them. So they have studied a means of taking us down by getting America fixated on money. How can we make America worried more about the money than we are they are about God or family or whatever else? So economic warfare is war by another means, which is we're gonna use money as a means to destroy you and your faith. We're gonna get you off track, and that is economic warfare. And our response is to take that biblical stewardship position and to recognize that the enemy comes to steal, to kill, and to destroy. What's he doing? You know, sometimes it all comes down to the money.

SPEAKER_00 6:10

Wow, that's so good. That is so good. And man, it's one one of the few areas too, I think, was you talked about stewardship of money. I believe it's Malachi, right? Or it's is it is it Malachi where God says, test me now in this. Oh yes. Yeah, it's one of the few areas where God's, you know, he says, put me to the test. Yep. And if you're a good steward, it talks about, you know, God will bless that. And it's about the kingdom principle is about giving, stewardship and giving, right? That you realize it's not our resource, it's God's resources, and we, like you said, we're here to steward those and shepherd those on earth. And so I wanted to talk about, get into um the history of money, uh, talk about the Federal Reserve, the value of the dollar. I found it very fascinating in uh your book, uh Pirate Money, it kind of the introduction, it goes into this, talking about inflation and where we're at. Can you touch on that in the history? I think there was um you talked about um, was it the de bloom?

SPEAKER_02 7:17

Did I get that right? Yeah, Spanish gold de bloom. Yes. And a Spanish piece of eight. Yes. Right. That's the monetary system that was designed for the United States by our founding fathers. They used the term dollar in the Constitution. That would be the money of America. And we we use the term today. A dollar to them meant a Spanish milled dollar. It was a certain weight and purity of silver. It was milled, meaning it had edges around it, like you know, you rub the edges of a quarter and you can feel the ridges on it. That was so you couldn't just cut off a little bit and slice off a little bit. That was what the founders wanted real money to be. Now they'd had experience with something called continental notes. Continental note was something printed by Ben Franklin's company, and it just said, this will pay to the bearer so many Spanish mill dollars or the equivalent value in gold and silver. It was a piece of paper, but there was no gold or silver behind it, and so it failed miserably. So if you don't mind, Colby, let me take you back to the beginning of time. You're a chicken farmer, and I'm a wheat farmer, and you want to have some uh some wheat to make bread, and I want to have some chicken for my chicken sandwich, and so we exchange, and there's an exchange rate. Oh, how much wheat do you want? Well, how many chickens do you want? We we exchange. We find that's pretty inefficient at at some point to where, well, I got to give you exact numbers, and then I want to change exchange my chickens for education for my kids and all that. So people created money, right? The idea that we will agree that this item is a universally accepted truth. So I will sell my wheat for dollars, you'll sell your chickens for dollars, and we'll exchange dollars, right? That's where money came from. Well, God invented money. We didn't really create it. God said gold, silver, and copper. Every society on earth has had a gold, silver, and copper standard at one time in their history. It is so ingrained in humanity that if you go to the Olympics, across all those nations that participate, the number one winner gets the gold medal. Number two gets silver, third gets bronze, which is copper. So that is a part of humanity from the Bible times, the beginning, Genesis. All in fact, it's in Genesis, it tells us where there's gold to be found. In the very early chapters of Genesis, God owns the gold and silver. He said, This is money, it's scarce. The most scarce is gold, the next most scarce is silver, and then copper, and you'll use that as money. And from the beginning of time till now, gold, silver, and copper have been used. So much the least money, which is copper, the widow put in her two copper mites. You know the story of the widow. So the notion of what is money, it is something that we universally agree upon. Well, it became inconvenient to carry around big bags of gold and silver, and you gotta weigh it out, and you gotta measure the purity of it and all that. So we said, hey, look, we'll have a universal standard, we'll have a bank, and you can put your gold and silver on deposit there, and they'll write a note that says, hey, Colby's got uh five ounces of silver in this bank, and you can take and exchange that note, and everybody agrees that that note has gold and silver behind it. So when you're giving it to me, I know I can go to the bank and I can get my silver out of it. But pretty soon they learn that they can keep printing lots of these notes. And they don't necessarily have to have the silver because not everybody's showing up to take the silver. They just take my word for it. So they only have a certain percentage backing, and that's our Federal Reserve System. Started in 1913, it was a group of bankers who went to senators and they determined we're gonna create this monetary system. It's privately held Federal Reserve uh banks, and we're gonna have 40% of every dollar we produce. We'll call them Federal Reserve notes, like I said, bank issues a note, and and for every dollar we produce, we'll have 40 cents worth of gold or silver held on reserve. And that was true up until Lyndon Johnson, and he said, you know, maybe we should lower that to 25%, and they did, and then it was true Lyndon Johnson took it down to 0%. And Richard Nixon shows up in 1971 and realizes there's no gold, not enough gold and silver behind our dollars out there, and France shows up in the United States, and Charles de Gaulle, the president of France, says, Hey, I want to exchange all these dollars, I want to get my gold out. That's called a run on the bank. And all of a sudden, we didn't have enough gold, and so Nixon closes the gold window. You know how much gold we have now backing our Federal Reserve notes? I do not. Zero. Wow. We don't back our Federal Reserve notes. There is no gold backing. You cannot exchange them, your dollars, and show up and get gold anymore. And so we just print, it's called fiat currency. And now money is well, we agree money is this piece of paper. It's green, it's got a picture of a dead president or a dead founding father on it. So that's our money, and we all agree. But what happens if somebody's got a printing press and they just keep printing? Right? What does that do? The definition classically in economics of inflation is when you have more money than you have goods and services. Too much money chasing too few goods. Now I'm gonna take you fast forward to when you got involved six years ago. You saw what the was happening during COVID. Everybody stays home, nobody works, you can't produce anything, you gotta stay home. And by the way, I know you're not making money, Colby, so we're gonna send you a check from the government, and everybody's gonna get some money, and you can apply for and get this government money. So they print trillions of dollars of money, but we're not producing an equivalent amount of goods. That's how inflation starts.

SPEAKER_01 13:07

Wow.

SPEAKER_02 13:08

And that's exactly what we we run experiments. So I'll take kids from uh Turning Point USA or or at Karas College or others where I've taught economics, and we'll hand out monopoly money and then I'll offer to sell them uh Hershey bars. If they only have $1 bills in their hands, you know, a Hershey bar sell for a dollar, two dollars, three dollars. But if I just start producing and handing out free monopoly money, I've sold Hershey bars for $1,500, $2,000, $3,000. Well, it's monopoly money because you just create so much of it that it's like that's how you get inflation. Too much money chasing too few goods. This is economics.

SPEAKER_00 13:46

Wow. So the money just becomes worthless. Essentially. Yeah. You know, you can't, next thing you know, to buy a loaf of bread, you're carting it around in a wheelbarrow.

SPEAKER_02 13:56

And they did that in Weimar, Germany in the 1920s. That there's photos of it. They've done it in Argentina at various points, they've done it in Venezuela, they've done it in Zimbabwe. Zimbabwe, it got so bad they were producing $100 trillion bills. And I bought a stack of them because they were worth a penny apiece or something. Wow. I mean, that's what happens when you have nothing behind your money and there's a printing press. In our case, in America, they don't print all that money, they create it digitally, and they'll just mark up an account and just it it just appears out of nowhere. It's fiat, it's Latin for so let it be. The government says, that's money, it's real, you can take it.

SPEAKER_00 14:42

Wow, interesting. I I want to go back, you mentioned um let's talk about the founding fathers. Okay. And let's talk about how they started this, you talked about, and then Benjamin Franklin printed the note in exchange for gold. But a lot of people don't know about Article 1, Section 10 of the Constitution. Can you explain that?

SPEAKER_02 15:03

Yeah, and I want to have you seen the movie The Great Awakening? I have twice. Okay, it's worth seeing. I I bought it, I've got it on my iTunes account, I've made everybody I know watch it. Do you remember at the beginning of that movie they were having this raucous debate, and and Ben Franklin is sitting there staring at the at the chair to see if the sun is rising or setting, and right and then Alexander Hamilton steps up. You, Dr. Franklin, you printed worthless notes, and he's pointing at him and he's yelling at him about the worthless notes. That is because Ben Franklin started as a deist. He literally was. His father, I mean, people argue this. I've talked to to David Barton and others. He started as a deist, started as a deist. His father was his uh minister, and he's like, Dad, I don't want to go to church. I don't want to, I want to go out and play and study science and all this. He was a scientist or a rationalist. He wrote in his autobiography that he was a deist. And he believed that God created the heavens and the earth and then said, okay, people have had it. And so he said, We're human. We're humanist deists. So we can create money out of nothing. Ex parte. We'll just create it out of nothing, fiat currency. And so he bought a printing press and started a printing company and they printed money. And it did become worthless. But something else happened to Franklin that you see while you're watching that movie. You see that Franklin meets George Whitfield. And Whitfield comes over and he says, hmm, this is a money-making, this guy, people follow him. I can print his sermons and sell them, and we'll we'll form a partnership. You, Mr. Reverend Whitfield and me, Ben Franklin, and we'll print this up and we'll we'll market you, and I'll I'll make a pretty penny marketing you. You see that in the movie, but that happened what happened in real life. And so he's all excited and said, I'm gonna print and promote you. And over time he realized, wait a minute, I'm a deist, I don't believe God reigns in the affairs of men, but you're coming over here and you're saying God does, and we form a friendship, and over time I realize, hey, you're sincere. You really do believe in God. This isn't just a money making, you're not P.T. Barnum, you're making not making money. You're you're showing, and and men's lives are being changed, and people are getting better in this. I see hope for America. All of a sudden, I'm not the scientist rationalist trying to figure things out that wants to make money. I'm all of a sudden, I'm like believing in this great awakening. And America is becoming uh it's becoming a Christian nation. And so Whitfield, at the end of his life, he's he's giving his life to share the gospel. Franklin is watching with fascination, and now all of a sudden everything's falling apart at the Constitutional Convention. It's all going downhill. And he looks at it, and Franklin says, you know what? When we were having a revolution and we were writing the declaration, we began every meeting we had with prayer, and that was working. I'm a rational scientist, that was working. Now we're not starting with prayer and we're collapsing. Is that sun setting? Are we failing as a nation? And then he remembers his time with Whitfield and he realizes you know what? We used to start with prayer, we're not doing that anymore. It was working and it's not working now. I move, we start with prayer because if a sparrow cannot fall to the earth without God taking notice, we have to realize God governs in the affairs of men. And he gets up the former deist and makes the most impassioned plea. And Washington takes notice, they gavel the meeting, they go down and have prayer, they come back, they open in prayer, and they give us the greatest document for human governance since the Bible itself, the Constitution, because he realizes it. And guess what? You asked about Article 1, Section 10. Guess what? The man who printed all the money that was used, or his company did, for the for the Continental Congress and printed all the articles of Confederation money and all of that, he realizes that wait a minute, if God governs the affairs of men, he governs in the affairs of money also. And so when they come to what money shall there be in the states, Franklin's delegation, which he led from Pennsylvania, voted unanimously to say, no, no, no, the only money that a state can use is gold and silver coin. And he was specifically referring to gold abloons and Spanish mill dollars, also known as piece of eight. And the reason I use the term pirate money in my book is if you know what gold loons and pieces of eight are, you've probably seen Captain Jack Sparrow and Pirates of the Caribbean, or you've probably heard read Treasure Island by Robert Lewis Stevenson. You realize that was pirate money. And that was the official money of the founding fathers in the United States under the Constitution. In fact, the Spanish mill dollar was the official currency and remained so until a coinage act later on in Congress where we decided we'd produce our own money. We'd mint our own coins. But that is how it came to be. It was a recognition that God reigns in the affairs of men. It was a recognition that paper money was a man-created thing. If it wasn't backed by gold and silver, it was literally against the purposes of God. It's called an unjust weight and measure. That's the biblical principle, and Franklin embodied that.

SPEAKER_00 20:48

Wow. Wow, that's powerful. I I want to talking about the dollar right now. I would say that the American dollar is kind of being attacked on all fronts. We've got digital currency, uh, we've got BRICS. Uh they're forming over there. Talk about talk about that, you know, um, and then you know, how how urgent is the moment? Like, why do people need to be focusing in on what's happening with the dollar, what's happening with our economic system in America right now?

SPEAKER_02 21:22

Well, I was born in the early 1960s. I was 10 years old when my dad came in and said Nixon has abandoned gold behind the dollar and it's gonna be a pure fiat currency. And that summer I worked for my dad and he paid me the minimum wage. It was $1.60 an hour to come back. That went a long way back then. Um that $1.60 would buy me. I could go to McDonald's, get a cheeseburger, fries, and a shake, I could get a Slurpee at 7 Eleven, I could get a comic, a Spider Man comic book, I could go to the Saturday movies, and I still Had 20 cents left over to put in the collection plate. That Hershey bar that was a dollar a dime then is now at the dollar store a dollar and a quarter. At the dollar store. At Walmart, it could be $2. At the convenience store where I was shopping, it'd be $250, $3, $3.50. Oh, and try buying it at an airport. $5. I mean, it it's crazy. Yeah, it's lost its purchasing power, which means that if I'm a young person starting out and I want to buy a home, home prices are going up. Food prices are going up. I can't, I can no longer do what my dad could do. It'd be he was a single, uh he was married and he was a single-income household, and he earned enough to take care of all of the family, and my mom did not have to work and didn't have to go in the workforce. Nothing wrong with women entering the workforce, no problem with that. But now they have to do it. We have to be a two-income home. Why? It's inflation. It's because we created all this money out of nothing. Why do we create money out of nothing? Because politicians buy votes. And the reason they buy votes is because that's how people vote. It is what Alexander Fraser Titler famously, or some say he never said this, but it fits with what he did teach in 1776. A Scottish historian who said, democracies fail when people figure out that I can vote for this person or this person and they'll give me stuff. Free stuff from the public treasury. Well, how am I going to give you stuff? Well, I'm going to tax it. No, no, you raise my taxes, I'm not voting for you. So how do I give you more free stuff? And oh, I know, we just borrow the money. And where does the money come from? The Federal Reserve creates it out of nothing. And so you either print money or borrow money, you enslave future generations either into inflation or debt, one or one of the two or probably both, uh, but you get the vote today. I'll give you free stuff today. That's Mamdanny, New York. All of this is coming from unjust weights and measures where the government's creating money out of nothing, they're disobeying God, and the net result is they're enslaving future generations. That's why people turn to communism. Oh, give me more stuff. I want more stuff. Wow, yeah. This is the sin of that we're having because we've walked away from biblical principles, and the solution to it is to go back to sound money.

SPEAKER_00 24:31

What what what is what is BRICS?

SPEAKER_02 24:35

Okay, the attack on our dollar is coming from inflation. People are seeing it's worth less and less, and then people see that our debt's a vulnerability. And so Vladimir Putin, in I was there in 2006 with with my business partner Russell. We we went to Moscow at the invitation of Putin people. We got treated royally. We went in, they whined us, they dined us, they had the Bolshoi ballet performed for us. It was it was a brilliant time. 2006, and you know, flew into Moscow and didn't even have to go through normal customs because we were guests of Putin and they drove every tour bus, our tour bus drove down the road, they drove every car off the road so that our tour bus could go against traffic, and they fed us well and everything. And and we picked up this notion that Putin doesn't like America, doesn't like the fact that we have all this power in the world and thinks it's because of our dollar being the dominant currency of the world, and decides that he would like to remove that currency of the world so that the Saudis don't take dollars for oil and the Chinese don't take dollars for goods. And he thinks we should go down the path of all those other failed nation states, and he's gonna do it through economic warfare by making the dollar worth less. So he grabs together Brazil, Russia, India, China, and later South Africa, and they form BRICS. Brazil B, Russia, India, China, South Africa, and the BRICS nations purpose together that we're gonna have a new world currency, not based on the dollar, but completely separate from that, and they begin to look for ways to undermine the dollar. Some of them very intelligently focused on it, and others like, well, we don't want to get hurt if the dollar goes down. And so some of those nations are our allies, some of them are our adversaries, some are our enemies in that BRICS alliance, but all of them agree that the dollar shouldn't remain the reserve currency of the world, which means that we won't have foreign governments buying all that debt we're creating, which means that we will collapse potentially at some point in the future if they are successful. I don't know that they will be. They may not be, but they're attacking the dollar. And at the same time, we're having alternatives like Bitcoin that show up and say, well, I don't trust the US dollar, I don't trust the way that the government monitors it, I don't trust the sanctions, so I want to get out of the system and escape the system, so we'll use Bitcoin. Or we'll use Chinese Yuan. They're building a you know a dam in our nation and they they offer to pay us in yuan and we can buy goods from them. So why do we need dollars anymore? So there's this global movement away from the US dollar, mostly because we departed the gold and silver standard.

SPEAKER_00 27:20

Wow. And let's talk about a little bit about central bank digital currency. You described this as one of the biggest threats to Americans uh in this front. Talk about that and why it is such a threat.

SPEAKER_02 27:34

Let me give the origin of it. Okay. Because there was a guy that came up, and we don't know exactly who he is, but he came up with this idea, we'll create something called Bitcoin. It'll be limited. There will only be so much of it ever produced. The way that you get Bitcoin is you're gonna solve complex mathematical equations. It's called mining, and you're gonna get your computer and they're gonna figure this out, and I'll reward you with the Bitcoin. And there are only gonna be so many of them, 21 million ever produced of them, and that could be money, and you could spend it digitally, and it's not backed by anything, but we all agree that it has value, and there's all this aspect to Bitcoin. And the government looked at that. And Bitcoin, one of its strong attributes is it's got privacy. So nobody knows who owns the Bitcoin, we just know it's out there, and you happen to have some of them. You got a long flash drive, you've got on your iPad or whatever, and when you want to go spend it, you can spend it because you've got the number to it, and you can go spend it so you have privacy. And governments say, you know what, we like this. We like everything about Bitcoin except for two things. The two things that make it unique and powerful. We do not like the fact that it's limited, because if that were money, then we wouldn't be able to buy votes. No, we have to have an unlimited amount of Bitcoin. So we're gonna have our own government version of Bitcoin, but it won't be limited, it'll be unlimited. And we don't like this privacy thing either. We don't like the fact that you can hide stuff, because it maybe you're a terrorist or a drug dealer or whatever. We don't like that. So we're we're gonna have our own version of Bitcoin, we're gonna call it central bank digital currency, except it will be unlimited in nature, and there will be zero privacy, we'll know everything everybody's doing. And somebody says, wait, you mean like it's gonna be written by a computer program? Yes, we'll do that. And then the government said, you know what? If we can program it, maybe we won't let people use it for stuff we don't like. So you can use the money for stuff we approve of, but stuff we don't like. No, no, no, no, you can't do that. So if you know, in recent years they've said you walk into a Home Depot and you want to buy, I want to buy an electric, uh, a gas-powered stove. No, no, no, no. Everything has to be electric. Oh, okay. I'll buy an electric stove. But I like gas, I like the way it co- Nope. Nope, not good for the environment.

SPEAKER_00 30:04

Oh, it's a tie tying into the environmental movement. I I want to buy a gas-powered car.

SPEAKER_02 30:10

No, no, no. Everybody's going to electric cars. You have to have you noticed they want you to shut off your air conditioner because it uses too much electricity, but then they want you to have an electric car. Uh you got to protect the grid, and then, but everybody has to. But so we will have control over what you can buy. Well, I want to buy and exercise my Second Amendment rights. Oh, no, no, no, no. You can't use our money for that. You can't buy guns with it, or ammunition, or pornography, or drugs. In fact, we have the world's leading thinker on video on this subject, like the head of the Bank for International Settlements, like the head of the IMF, like the at the speakers at the World Economic Forum, all saying, hey, central bank digital currency, we can create this as much of it as we want, and that will be the new currency, but we can determine who gets to use it. And Colby, you say, hey, I I I want to get paid now. Well, here's your central bank currency. It goes into your account, you get that in your paycheck, and they, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, Colby. Did you say a man is a man and a woman's a woman, and and God made them that way? Wait, wait, wait. Isn't that hate speech? Because the government said that a woman can be a man and a man can be a woman. You're a hater. So your money's not worth as much. And they can program your money in your accounts and say it's not your money, it's our money. You have a use license to it, and you've violated the terms of the use license, so you can't spend it. At least you can spend it on food, but you can't spend it on transportation because we can't have you taking your hate speech and flying on an airplane from your home to go meet people at a conference. So it is programmable and completely controlled by the federal government. That is a central bank digital currency. And here's the problem. We're gonna realize that we have all this massive inflation, we've printed too many dollars. Oh, we have a solution. Here's the next crisis. Our solution is we're gonna, just like we have a pandemic, our solution is science. And science is gonna give you this jab, and you're gonna be if you don't do it, by the way, your money's no good. But if you obey and you follow along, it will turn us into servants of the state because it's a central bank digital currency. They will own it, they will control it, and you will not be able to use it unless you have our permission. It is Bitcoin without any of the benefits of privacy and without any of the benefits of limitation. In other words, it's worthless. And they're going to push that on us unless we have an alternative.

SPEAKER_00 32:45

Wow, and that is when you started talking about this talks about a revelation. If you don't take the mark of the beast, then you're then creating buy or sell, you can't participate in the marketplace. I mean, this sounds exactly like it's feeding into that prophecy in Revelation. Yeah. I mean, wow. That that yeah. Hey, wanted to take a quick break from the show to tell you about one of our sponsors, Citizens Defending Freedom. If you've never heard about Citizens Defending Freedom, they are an incredible nonprofit organization that was designed to help train and equip the body of Christ to stand for and preserve their liberties at the local level. Basically, Citizens Defending Freedom is putting government back into the hands of the American people. I want to encourage you to go to Citizens Defending Freedom.com, check out their website. You can sign up to subscribe and get mailers from them and learn about what they're doing. You can check out their incredible resources and toolkits. You can reach out to them and they will be in contact with you. Or if you want to support them financially, I would encourage you to do so. Citizens Defending Freedom is doing the meaningful work to turn this country back to God. Again, go check out Citizens Defending Freedom at Citizens Defending Freedom.com. All right, now back to the show. So, okay, you you've um I want to talk about transactional gold and silver. I thought I thought it was so cool. You talked about getting outside the system, right? Here's a way to kind of get outside the system. And last night when we went to dinner, you were able to uh by the way, thank you. You treated us to ice cream, it was amazing.

SPEAKER_02 34:42

Uh but Texas brisket first.

SPEAKER_00 34:45

Texas brisket followed by ice cream, it was phenomenal. But you were able to pay with gold in real time. Yes. So talk about that, man. Talk about, you know, the the solution here, how to kind of get outside of the system and how gold can play an integral part of that.

SPEAKER_02 35:03

So when my dad came into my room and said Nixon's abandoned the gold standard, I looked at him and he was a stockbroker and I said, But dad, won't that cause inflation? He said, You bet it will, son. I mean, we so how do we fix it? My first request was, hey dad, next time you go over to uh Switzerland on one of those investment conferences, pick me up a little gold. And he did. He brought me back a gold coin from Switzerland. Uh well, I was kept thinking, nobody can lug around gold coins. And the money's printed by the U.S. Federal Reserve, by the Treasury, but uh they're called Federal Reserve notes. I wonder if we could ever get back to a system where you could put gold and silver on deposit, and they wrote legitimate notes. And Article 1, Section 10 says a state can only make gold and silver coin legal tender. So I wonder if they could do that today. So I researched it and I found out that in 1837 the Bank of Kentucky would take gold and silver on deposit and issue out Bank of Kentucky notes that spent like money. It's like, gosh, I wonder if that would work today. And I've thought about it and thought about it. Now this is we're from nine for 55 years since when I first started thinking about it. Well, about, I guess, more than 10 years, about uh uh uh probably around 2008, I was hired by the Pentagon to explain economic warfare. You know, what you asked me at the beginning. And so I went and explained economic warfare because I saw that there was an attack on our financial markets uh by Russia and Abu Dhabi and Qatar, and they thought about it in China and and other places, and I thought we need a solution for this. Well, what's the ultimate attack? Before anybody knew BRICS, I was there in 2006 learning about them being formed, as if ultimately they're gonna attack the dollar. So, what do we have that we can bring back? How do how can we go against that attack? And I thought, well, the states have a right to make gold and silver a coin. They did it with Briscoe. We have modern technology. Literally, we could make it to where you could put gold and silver on deposit at a bank, and you could spend it like a Bitcoin with a debit card, and you wherever you electronically spend it. I thought, the technology's there, the constitutional precedent is there. So I started writing about we should do this. And then we got the show Economic Warroom, and we made that a regular feature of the show, and then I wrote the book Pirate Money and said this is our solution. And then the next thing I know is I'm getting calls from state legislators, like our friend Doug Bankson in Florida and others who, I read your book, I want to do this here. It that in three years has passed into law in six states. Another state, Kansas, passed it and then vetoed by the governor, but 20 other states have contacted us. How do we do this? And we've sent people there. We've started transactionalgold.com, a whole website that you can go and download just like CDF. You know, download your tools. Here are your here's your legislative toolkit. You can get this passed in your state. We can have a ground-up constitutional, God-based biblical monetary system based on gold and silver enacted in a state that technology works. I bought your ice cream with it. You saw it. That's pretty awesome. And I bought gold with US dollars with a couple of clicks on my phone. I tapped here, tapped here, and came out of my bank account and went in and bought gold. I could have bought silver, I can spend the gold and silver. We're giving people monetary choice that they've had all along, just haven't had the ability to exercise it.

SPEAKER_00 38:49

And they didn't know it. And what was cool about it is, you know, I think a lot of people see the value of gold, like how much it costs per ounce and silver, right? And it keeps rising because it's we keep printing money and it keeps rising and it's But what was so cool is inside the app, you could put in ten dollars, you could put in five dollars, you could buy it in a little little amounts, and it was really cool how that functioned. And you talked about right now your gold was being coming from Swiss, but are you're setting that up to where now there's going to be gold in Texas, right?

SPEAKER_02 39:25

In my Texas or Florida or Utah or Missouri or Louisiana or Arkansas. In fact, on July 1st, Governor Ron DeSantis uh has signed not only a unanimously passed bill, uh HB 999, that allowed for this, but he signed into law the rules surrounding how this would operate so that people can go into Florida and say, hey, I want to be a gold service provider. And and people will be able to, and we're we're in process, the app I showed you, we're in process of getting investment in that company to bring it here so it's a U.S.-based company, so we're up and operating immediately. They'll be able to spend Floridians, Florida dollars, so to speak, based on ounces of gold or silver under legal authority in Florida. And it's going to happen in Texas starting early next year. Arkansas's soon behind, Louisiana, Missouri, Utah soon behind. They're all looking at this. It is literally an alternative monetary system. And here's why it's so important. Young people say, I can't afford to buy a home. The average age to buy a home, one report said, was 40 years old. Well, first home at 40. So I want to buy a home and have a bedroom so we can have a baby. Well, if you can't buy a home till you're 40, you're not having any babies, right? And so what that means is we're going to run out of workers in our social security system, which means our economy's going to collapse, which means no, no, no, no. We've got to bring in a bunch of people. Henry Ford felt like he needed to bring in a bunch of people. I'm not finding enough good workers for Ford Motor Company in Dearborn, Michigan. Oh, I met this chap over here from the Middle East. This fellow, he's a hard worker. We'll bring him in and as many of his relatives as we can. We don't care if they become American or not. Oh, have your little enclave and stay there and don't become American. Just sit in your enclave and adopt, keep, keep that law. What do you call it? Sharia? Just keep that Sharia law and just come and be a good worker at my plant. Well, now Dearborn is now a Sharia-controlled city. Right. What happens if you rack up enormous amounts of debt, what you're going to do is create inflation. That creates an opportunity for foreign governments to attack our dollar. If you attack the dollar, what happens is you're going to create a wealth gap. And the rich get richer and the poor get poorer. And I can explain that and do. Then the next thing is you're going to say, well, you know, I can't afford to have babies anymore, young people. We got to wait to have babies. So if you had babies 100 years ago at age 20, you now have babies at age 30. Well, how many are you going to have if you wait till you're 30 years old before you have babies? You can't have as many, right? So our birth rate's going to go down from 4.0 to 1.6, and you're not even replacing yourself. So what are you going to have to do? You're going to have to import people. Well, who is having babies around the world? People that don't adhere to American principles, people who adhere to Sharia law are having babies at a much higher rate than Western Europe or America or Christian civilization. Pretty soon what you're doing is you're importing Islam. And so all of this, I call it the four horses of the American Apocalypse and our six trials by fire. It's my next book that will be coming out soon. And the four horses are working together against America. It is communism. It is Islam, that's the red-green axis. It's globalism that says America should have no borders. And it's the traitors, the cowards, and the fools. So it is the red horse, the green horse, the blue horse is globalism, like the blue helmets of the UN, and the yellow horse of traitors, cowards, and fools who are willing to sell America out for a quick buck. And that's the yellow horse. And all four of them have been working ever since we left the gold standard. And so we're giving people a path back, an individual opt-out. I don't want central bank digital currency. I don't want that at all. What I want is I want sound money, God's money. Well, now you can use gold and silver under state authority. Wow. Protected from the federal government's intervention by constitution and by court rulings. So in those six states, or if you live in any state, you'll be able to use the money that's produced in those six states. And pretty soon we're going to hit 26. States and then 46 states. Now there may be four holdouts. California hopefully eventually will come along, but maybe not at first. Massachusetts, maybe not at first. Illinois, maybe not at first. And New York, maybe not at first, but we're gonna capture every other state. Wow. And we're gonna bring God's money back and give people a choice. And when we do so, we'll be faithful with our unrighteous mammon. Wait, what happens if you're faithful with unrighteous mammon? Jesus said it. You'll be trusted with true riches. And the rich true riches is gospel, the truth of Jesus, the family, the family unit, honest day's wage for an honest day's work. All of the things that made America great will be restored if we can be faithful with our unrighteous mammon, and we're giving a path for that.

SPEAKER_00 44:45

Man, what an incredible plan and like a path to victory and hope. So amazing. I um what what would you what would be your advice right now for families in the states where you haven't got that legislation passed? Like what can they be doing right now?

SPEAKER_02 45:01

Well, I hope everybody get a copy of Pirate Money and read it and understand what money is, how it works, because I've just blown through these meaty concepts like what's a central bank digital currency and all that, that's all explained in that. And maybe get the next book, uh the Four Horsemen of the American Apocalypse and or Six Trials by Fire to see how to address it. But once you get a copy of the book and read it, if you agree with it, send it to your state legislator. Send it to your I got a call from a man I'd never seen. I'm I'm getting ready to go on, and the phone rings. Who do I know in West Virginia?

SPEAKER_01 45:39

I don't know.

SPEAKER_02 45:40

All right, I'm gonna answer it. I'm gonna find out. Hello, Kevin Freeman. Hi, Kevin. This is Riley Moore, the treasurer of the state of West Virginia. Well, treasurer, what a pleasure. Why are you calling me? I'm thinking he's wanting a donation for his campaign, because I donate to conservative causes and candidates. And he says, I have six copies of your book on my desk right now. Can you tell me why? I said, sir, I would imagine that six people think you should read it. And he said, I don't have time. I'm the treasurer of the state. I don't have time to read this book. Summarize it for me. I said, Yes, sir, I'm happy to. And I walked him through it and he said, That's a good idea. You know where Riley Moore is right now? He's in Congress. He got elected to Congress. Another treasurer, he's called the chief financial officer, he was in the state of Florida. You know where he is right now? He's in Congress. We we have, because of citizens defending freedom, got educated and they took action to bring sound money back. And I want to tell you why this is so important. A hundred years ago, so we're probably talking for most people, great-great-grandparents, right? 1926. 1926, a hundred years ago, guess what? If they wanted to save up to buy that newfangled thing called an automobile, they could buy a really nice, you could buy the cheap, cheap entry-level car for about 200 bucks, you could buy a really nice car for $400, which was 20 ounces of gold in 1926. $400 would buy you a car, $400. Would be $20, $20 bills, or 20 ounces of gold. Right now, if your grandpa, great-great-grandpa, or in my case, my grandfather, said, I set aside money for you, son. Well, what'd you set aside, grandpa? 20 Federal Reserve notes or $400. Buy yourself a car. I'm like, that won't even buy me a set of tires. That may not pay a repair bill. That won't pay the tax on the car. No, no, no, I didn't leave you $20, $20 bills. I left you 21-ounce gold coins. Whoa, now that's worth over $80,000. Can you buy yourself a decent car for $80,000? Of course you can. Because the 20 ounces of gold have held its purchasing power. They've not gone up in value. People say gold's gone up in value. No, it hasn't. The value of the dollar has gone down against gold. We're giving people a chance. You can make a difference in our world today, help preserve America against all these foreign attacks by taking and reading a simple book and sharing the truth of the message of it. By the way, that's true with another book that's far better, far more important. It's called The Bible. You read the Bible and share the Bible, that's the solution. You fix America. One aspect of the Bible is God made the silver and the gold, and he wants honest weights and measures. So we translated that into a book and got into depth explanation and brought it to modern terms. What does this mean to you? Because when you say honest weights and measures, what does that mean? It means sound money. That's literally what it means. It's explained to the department. You can read that book, you can send it to a legislator, and you can change the world. Wow. That's what people need to do. They need to get educated and then they need to spread the message. It's not my message, it's God's message.

SPEAKER_00 49:14

Amen. Amen. That's so good. And you know, I think that you've the battle for free markets, communism, all of this stuff at its core. Would you agree that it's fundamentally a spiritual battle? It is.

SPEAKER_02 49:29

It is. Jesus said, where your treasure is, there your heart will be also. The rich young ruler. He he he he said, Hey, what do I need to do, Master? What do I need to do? He said, Oh, follow the commandments. I've done that from the beginning of my life. He said, Great. Go sell what you got, give to the poor, and then come follow me. Oh, he went away sad because he couldn't do it. Why? He didn't have money, money had him. This is a test of our hearts. It's a monetary test. God wants to know if you're not faithful with your unrighteous mammon, you will not be trusted with true riches. You want the truth of God, you got to be faithful with your money. You realize it's not my money, it's his money. And being faithful means you're tithing and giving. Being faithful means that you're being honest in all your monetary dealings. That's being faithful with your unrighteous mammon. Well, we as a society, we're not being faithful. We're producing all the money we need so we can buy votes. That's not being faithful. Right. So we want to bring people. And do you mind if I tell you a quick I call it the economic war of the heart? It'll be a book out after the four horsemen. There's a story that just struck me. Everybody thinks of 2 Chronicles, and they'll immediately go to 7.14, which is an awesome passage. It's a passage that God spoke to Solomon and said, How does a nation get itself right? And he explained it. There's a passage in 2 Chronicles chapter 34, same verse 14, by the way, 7.14 or 34.14, 27 chapters later, where God shows a nation getting right. And I want to, I'm going to, I think most people have never seen this. It flipped my mind when I saw it. We know King Hezekiah was a good king, first part of his life, right? We're familiar with Hezekiah. He obeyed God, God delivered and protected him. God says, All right, wrap it up, Hezekiah. You're coming home through the prophet Isaiah. And he said, Whoa, whoa, whoa, I'm one more time. And he begged God and he got 15 more years. What did he do with those 15 years? Well, the first thing he did was he was boastfully proud. The Babylonians come in and he's got his big, all this treasury that he's built up and he shows it off. The prophet comes through and says, Well, what did you do? I just showed them how good God has been to me. All the money I've got. And he says, You shouldn't have done that. Why? Because everything they saw in your treasury will be carted off. And he says, No. But don't worry, it won't happen in your life. Not in my lifetime. Okay, I'll just leave that problem to my kids and my grandkids. Wow. Well, he had a kid. And his kid was named Manasseh. And he messed him up. What did Hezekiah do? He took the temple that Solomon had built, and he took the money in the king's treasury, and he says, You know what? God won't protect it over here. He told me he wouldn't. Why don't we just move that money into the temple? So they made rooms in the temple and they moved gold and silver into the temple. So Manasseh, his son, comes up and he says, I need God. I'm king now. Dad died, I'm king. What do I do? He walks into the temple to find God, and what's he finding? He finds all sorts of gold and silver. And you know what Manasseh does? He starts to fashion idols inside the temple. Wow. And it's like, isn't he God? Terrible, wicked, despicable king. He himself gets carted off. And then finally he gets released and comes back, and he has a son. And his son, Amon. Amon was as bad as it gets. That kid, he became a kid king. At age 16, he sires his own son, gets a girl pregnant and his son, and this 16-year-old becomes king. He's so wicked, his own servants kill him. That's how bad he was. And that leaves an eight-year-old named Josiah to be king. Josiah. Now I have a veggie tales view of how Josiah operated. You know, veggie tales, if you play that with your kids. Oh, yeah. So I'm picturing the character for Josiah will be played by Junior Asparagus, right? And so Junior asparagus is just a kid, and he's playing in the temple, and he's kicking around a soccer ball, and he knocks over, and a dirty book falls over, and he says, Oh, what's this? That's the word of God. He tears his clothes and calls his nation to repentance. That's the vegetable version. That is not what happened. Not even close. What actually happened was he was a good king. And as he grew older, he decided we're going to tear down the high places, we're going to do good things. And he says, you know, that temple needs new repair. It needs to be repaired. Now there was another boy king before Josiah, and he also noticed that the temple needed to be repaired. And so what he did was he sent all his servants out, and you go flog the people and get every penny you can from them in taxes, and we'll bring that money in, we'll build the temple back. Not the best idea, but at least he wanted to rebuild the temple. Josiah was different. Josiah said, I want to rebuild the temple. And I said, Okay, king. All right, we'll go out and get money from the people. We know how this works. He said, Well, what are you talking about? Look around here in that temple. It's fallen apart, but inside is gold and silver, lots of it. You take that money and you pay the townspeople, get the money out of the temple and get it out into the community. We're not storing up wealth for ourselves, who are moth and restorian, thieves break in and steal. We're gonna get that money and put it to work. And the people said, Oh, we'll come in and work. And they came in and worked. And there's a passage, 3414, 2 Chronicles, says this. And when Helkiah the priest brought out the money that had been brought into the house of the Lord, he uncovered the book of the law of the Lord given by Moses. Wait, what? They found God's word when they got the money out of the temple and out into the community. When they were being faithful with unrighteous mammon, they found true riches. And then what did they do? Then Josiah orders that the scripture be read. And then people repented, and then the nation was restored. 2 Chronicles 7, 14 was fulfilled, but only after they were faithful with their unrighteous mammon. Wow. That is the message. When I saw that, I was like, that's what America's got to do. We've got to be faithful with our mammon. And we cannot be faithful by printing too much of it and buying votes with it. We cannot be faithful by making the rich richer and the poor poorer. We have to be faithful by honest weights and measures so everybody has an equal opportunity. Not equal outcome, equal opportunity. This is how you beat Mamdani. This is how you beat all the communists and Islamists and everybody else. This is how you beat the four horsemen of the American apocalypse and our six trials by fire. You beat it by giving a path back. So citizens defending freedom, and you all have been good to us. We've worked with you. Take the book, Pirate Money, read it, learn what God says about money, and then go out there with a zeal to get your elected representatives to start instituting this. We won in Texas, we won in Florida, we won in Arkansas, we won in Louisiana, we won in Missouri, we won in Utah, we won in Kansas until they vetoed it. Take this to America, and guess what? Then we will get the money part right and we can experience the true riches, strong families, fathers in the home, blessings of going to church and knowing God's word and spreading the gospel around the world, return America to you want to make America greater again? Good. Let's return to the principles of sound money that Ben Franklin discovered when he heard the truth of God's word.

SPEAKER_00 57:14

Man, that is so powerful. I'd never put that biblical story into context. And just I my mind is blown because I'm just seeing all the parallels of where we're at today. God's truth, his word, his principles, they're timeless and they apply to us today as they did back then. And man, that was incredible. I think that's a perfect spot to end the podcast for this portion of the podcast. And man, Kevin, thank you so much, man, for having us, for hosting us. Incredible folks. Go out and get the book, Pirate Money, as Kevin said. Get it in the hands of your legislators and do this work. This is something you can be doing right now. You can be taking action. You heard from Kevin, this is the call right now in America. There's so many fronts that our country is being assaulted upon, but this is an area right now where you can get educated and you can begin to take action. So, Kevin, where can people find the book? Where can they follow you? How do how do they how do they get their their hands on a copy of this book right here?

SPEAKER_02 58:20

Well, you can get it at Amazon. You can go to piratemoneybook.com and it'll show you how you can get copies of it if you want to buy a dozen or ten or a hundred or whatever, buy them in bulk and give them away. Um or if you just want to buy it off Amazon, the it's amazing technology. They'll print you a copy and send it to you, you'll have it tomorrow. Uh so uh wherever you get it, uh wherever you get your books, you can order it through Barnes and Noble and stuff. They don't carry it in the bookstores, but you can get it off Amazon, or you can order off BarnesandNoble.com wherever you get your books, or you can go to piratemoneybook.com. Now, if you want to follow the Economic War Room, or it was a pleasure to have you on Pirate Money Radio, uh Colby, uh you you go to economicwarroom.com and sign up to get our free economic battle plans. And we'll send you an email every week that says, this is the show and here's the battle plan. So when we say a problem, and we cover a lot of problems on economic warroom, we also here's your action steps, here's your battle plan, how do you deal with it? How do you protect your family? How do you save America? So that's one of our resources. You'll also be signed up to receive Pirate Money Radio. So that our Saturday morning on American Family Radio and weekly as a TV show on Real Life Network with Jack Hibbs. You can watch Pirate Money Radio. You can see our interview where I got to interview you. Uh so the two places there, the main one would be economicwarroom.com. Look for the sign up to receive updates, sign up to get battle plans, and click that link and just give us a little couple of pieces of information, and we'll send you one email a week that tells you what's on the Economic War Room show, and one email a week that tells you what's on the Pirate Money Radio show and how to tune in and all of that.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:06

Awesome. And we will put all of those links down in the description for you guys to go straight to those sites and get connected with Kevin and what they're doing in Economic War Room. Kevin, God bless you, man. Thank you for your ministry. Thank you for being so faithful and answering God's call on your life. You and your wife are incredible, and it's been an honor to have you on the podcast.

SPEAKER_02 1:00:26

Carl, we thank you for letting me share what's on my heart. I love Jesus and I want to just serve him. That's it. Well, you're doing that, brother. Thank you.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:36

Now I'm gonna take Kevin into the red zone, and we're gonna have an incredible discussion about his book, According to Plan. His new book is gonna be coming out, The Four Horsemen of the American Apocalypse, and talk about different issues, communist China, the threat of Islam, and how that plays out in economics and why that is a threat to the future of America. If you want to join us in the red zone, go to our Patreon account and subscribe and become a member of the Defender Circle today, and then you can catch our next conversation on the other side. Kevin, you ready? I am. Let's do it. All right, welcome to the red zone.