We Put Electricity Into Water-This Happened!

In this episode of DC Tech Talk, we take a deeper dive into one of the most overlooked tools in direct current technology, the direct current foot bath.

We discuss what a direct current foot bath is, how it works, and how it may support activation and recovery goals. Jake and Mason break down how to perform a foot bath session, how to adjust pulse rate settings for different needs, and practical protocols commonly used to support areas like the hips, low back, neck, and shoulders.

Whether you're new to direct current or already have a device sitting at home, this episode will help you better understand how to get more out of your system and why the foot bath has become a go-to tool for so many users.

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Transcript

SPEAKER_01 0:00

At Nervotics, our mission is simple: to provide the tools that help people move better, feel faster, and perform at their best through advanced direct current technology. From professional athletes to clinical providers, Nervotics delivers systems that target the source of pain, not just the symptoms. Inside our training portal, you'll find setup guides, pad placements, and performance protocols trusted by top clinicians and coaches. Because when it comes to DC education, we set the standard. And when you need help, our customer support and training team is always just to click away at nervotics.com. And make sure you check out our new DX500 with the same power, precision, and performance of our full-size systems in a device that fits in the palm of your hand. All right, before we get started today, let's acknowledge something right out of the gate so everyone's clear. Every warning label in human history has basically told us not to do what we're about to talk about. Don't mix electricity with water, don't stand in water with electrical current, and definitely don't convince other people to jump on the Kool-Aid drinking bandwagon and willingly do it with us. Yet here we are. And somehow, what started as this weird little foot bath protocol quietly turned into one of the most interesting things we've been seeing with direct current as of today. Hip pain, knees, low back recovery, blood flow, turf toe, neuropathy, plantar fasciitis, ankle sprains. If you suffer from any of these conditions, you're going to want to tune in to today's show. Now, before the internet chiropractors and electrical engineers and safety patrol and angry Facebook commenters come after us, yes, there is a method to this madness, and it's perfectly safe. And today we're going to break down the evolution of water bath protocols using direct current, what we're seeing clinically, and some brand new applications that honestly have surprised even us. So, Mason, I don't know. We're either about to change how everybody looks at recovery and how they do recovery, or we're going to end up on the government watch list yet again.

SPEAKER_03 2:12

I was going to say change how everybody looks at recovery or change how everybody looks at us. So we got one of two options today in the next 30 to 40 minutes of how we can turn that.

SPEAKER_01 2:22

Yeah, let's do our best. Well, what what I what I will say is make no mistake, no matter what, this episode is going to be shocking. No fluff, no filter, just real talk, real tech and real outcomes. Lock in, turn it off, and let's get after it. This is TikTok. Welcome back, Mason. Good to see you, bud.

SPEAKER_03 2:53

Good to see you too, Jake. I know I'm gonna say this every time, probably before him, but we've been really excited for this one. And it's something we talk about nonstop, day in and day out. Every day that ends with why, we're probably talking about the footpath. Um, so excited to really talk about it, get into it today.

SPEAKER_01 3:11

Yeah, and and just, you know, those of you scoring at home and listening, again, this is a specific electrical current device. It's on direct current. If you do not have a direct current device, this will not apply to you. But yeah, it can do some unique things. And uh, you know, one of the things I, you know, I think we've probably taken for granted with this protocol is how well it does work. And we we've sort of doubled down on this one and leaned into it, and we're gonna share a lot of those, a lot of those today. Uh, you know, a question I'll get all the time when I'm training this, and and Mason, I know you have the same thing. You know, what what's the deal with the water? Why would we put this in water and how does it work? How why is it different than if we were to like throw a toaster in the bathtub and be safe? Of course, don't do that.

SPEAKER_03 3:55

Right. Well, really, the main reason why, from a safety standpoint, it's okay to do it is because it's on that direct current wave. Um, it's not on an alternating current wave that bounces back and forth in one singular phase. Um, because we're getting down into another phase, getting down into that negative phase, um, we're able to safely apply water with it because of that circuit. Um, so that's really the main reason why you know we put these disclaimers in there, and you'll hear them again probably throughout this episode of don't do this with your tens unit if that's what you have at home. Um, if you're looking and you're intrigued by this footbath protocol and what we can do with water with direct current, that's where we want you to reach out to us. We can absolutely talk you through how to do this, getting a device in your hands that's able to do this. Um, but it's really about it being the direct current wave, not an alternating current.

SPEAKER_01 4:43

Yeah. And and so what is the deal with it? What is the water doing with our device or any any DC device that's showing a more of a benefit than what the device itself or by itself can do?

SPEAKER_03 4:55

Yeah, there's a couple different ways that you can approach that and why water, why are we using water? And I think the biggest thing comes down to surface area. Um, so we're wanting to apply these pads to the feet, but the feet, they're just it's not a uniform surface, a lot of different curvatures, a lot of different concaves, um, convexes all around that ankle concept and all around the foot. Um, so instead of trying to put a three by four or even a two by two on that small area, trying to hit a tiny ligament like the deltoid ligament, the calcaneal um ligament, like instead of trying to do that, let's put the foot inside of an entire medium of water and then utilize current passing through that water to deliver it to the foot. So I think that's one of the big things right off the bat, is just it gives you way more of a surface area to work with than if you apply directly to the foot. And I think the other big thing is the foot has some of the most and some of the strongest neuroreceptors in it. Um, that is where you're taking a lot of input in and sending those signals to the brain and to the rest of the body. It's how we stay on our feet, it's how we have proprioception and balance. Um, and that's why when we see uh sensations in the foot go down, like with neuropathy, we start to lose things like balance. Um, and so I think that's a big component of it too, is how neurologically active the feet are. Um, and that's why the water works so well with it to send those signals there.

SPEAKER_01 6:23

Yeah, well, well said. I mean, it it's it's like a magnifying glass for a direct current wave. Think of it almost in terms of rather than just placing a pad, like you said, on certain pin points, you're putting an entire electrical sock over it and magnifying it that way, but that water will also help kind of reduce that inflammation. Um, so a lot of good things. One of the things you talked about was the balance and you know, kind of helping, you know, a proprioceptive kind of bounce back. We we do that a lot with uh uh, you know, uh with with uh uh concussion athletes all the time, you know, they they lose their balance, they get concussed, and then it's hard to get balance. And it's like the the last thing you want to do is go through some sort of clunky movement. Uh so if you're out there and you're struggling with balance, this is actually, we always talk about this being a movement, you know, a movement therapy. The foot bath, you're literally sitting down, you're not even moving, but there's a movement component to it in some ways because you know, because it's a neurological device, you can sit there and move without putting a lot of pressure on your joints. And you know, and I think that's what does a really good job of, you know, kind of Mason to your point again, where if someone is just struggling to kind of stay on their feet because they can't feel certain things in their muscles, whether a muscle spindle is dormant, uh, maybe maybe they are maybe you are suffering from neuropathy, or you're you feel like you're walking on glass with plantar fasciitis, you know, these are conditions that have had footbaths and have had a lot of great results with it. So, you know, kind of open up your ears, put on your thinking caps of how you can get one of these devices, because if you are suffering from that, I could tell you right now, just for those conditions alone, it's worth the price.

SPEAKER_03 8:03

Absolutely. Absolutely. I think neuropathy is the biggest one that really that kind of shows itself and shows the abilities that the foot bath has. Um, just the fact that people they don't have feeling in their feet, they have diminished feeling in their feet, that, like we said, is going to lead to loss of balance. Um, and by waking up those neuroreceptors in the foot, by waking up uh the muscle spindles in the foot, like you said, we start to get some more activity um from a sensation standpoint too.

SPEAKER_01 8:30

You know, and so let's kind of go, let's break this down to like the basic foot bath because this isn't a new thing. This isn't a new concept. This protocol has been around for a while. Um, we are going to show some things that haven't been around for a while and they are new. Uh, but to kind of start off, I have a video here we'll kind of tune into where New Fit did, I thought a pretty good one where where one of their patients was uh involved in the the basic setup of a foot bath. We might pause it, you know, periodically so I can kind of clear some things up. Uh, but here it is.

SPEAKER_00 8:58

Anything that you need to set up the newbie foot bath according to the neuropathy study, you're going to need a water basin, water, and the newbie. All right, so we're gonna go ahead and get started.

SPEAKER_01 9:09

So first you're going to and by the way, a newbie works. Uh we have one back here, but any direct current that has these electrode pads, uh, we'll can't we can we'll talk about that. Uh we'll work with this on direct current. So not just newbie.

SPEAKER_00 9:22

You're going to attach the red tip of the lead wire to an adhesive electrode. You're going to attach the black tip of the lead wire to a carbon fiber electrode. So now we're going to apply the adhesive electrodes to the tops of her thighs. You can also place them on the anterior tibialis muscle, on the calves, and also on the low back if desired.

SPEAKER_01 9:44

And those are those are good setups. Uh, those are some basic ones that we work with. We will go on Tib interior a lot of times if there's knee pain. We, you know, quads were the original setup, low back was another original setup. So yeah, you could definitely move these around. We're gonna get a little bit more in depth with uh with how you can use this though. This is just again the basic setup.

SPEAKER_00 10:07

In order to perform a bilateral foot bath, you will be using two lead wires and two adhesive electrodes. If you want to perform a foot bath on two people at the same time, you'll just use all eight channels and two channels for each person. With the carbon fibers, you're just going to place them in the water and they can float in the water. Next, place your patient's feet in the water. With the frequency set to 500, we're going to turn the intensity up to about a four to five out of ten on a subjective level of intensity. It should feel strong but not painful. So to enhance the effectiveness of this treatment, you can have your patient perform exercises while they're in the water. You can have them perform toe curls and spreads, ankle dorsiflexion, arch lifts, toe yoga, any of those. And that's yeah.

SPEAKER_01 10:54

So, see, this is all good stuff. Like again, you know, anybody who's struggling just walking and putting pressure on the joints, this is where we've been able to utilize this as a movement protocol as well. So, yeah, any of that is excellent. I've even put some athletes in a foot bath and they did, you know, you know, calf raises. I put them in two foot baths so they can widen their stance and you can do squats. So you can get a little bit more aggressive, but certainly a good way to use this foot bath if you if you can't get on your feet and it's still making it a movement-based protocol.

SPEAKER_00 11:24

That'll really help increase the neuromuscular re-education that we have going on with the foot bath and help kind of reconnect the brain muscle connection. So you're at 23. So you started around a 12. And so each time you've been able to take more and more stimulation, which means your nervous system has been able to adapt to that and it's kind of learning uh that brain to muscle connection and being able to take more sensation. When the time is complete, you'll simply turn off the machine and take the feet out of the water.

SPEAKER_01 11:53

I won't keep the reaction because it's it's all the all the same. You know, you feel good, you're more revived, uh, you know, you're getting blood flow into your base. So, you know, even after the first session, you're good, you're gonna see some results. But uh pretty cut and dry and and uh pretty good foot bath video, you know, for what we use it for. What would you say, Mason?

SPEAKER_03 12:10

Yeah, yeah, absolutely. And I think the one thing too that I wanted to touch on with that is kind of how they're placing those carbon fiber pads into the basin. Um, and there's a couple of different ways that you can go about that. Initially, in some of our early videos, uh, you might see that we mentioned to wrap it on there. Uh now, if you've talked to Jake and I more recently, that's that thought process has kind of progressed. Um, we've started to realize there's a lot more creativity in not wrapping them to the feet. Um, and so I love the fact that they kind of put on the forefront that they don't even really need to be touching the feet. You can take these pads, and how I've explained it to some of my patients is you almost just put it into the water like it's a teabag and have it sitting in the water, and you're going to get the effects um from just placing them in the water. So there's it just all kind of depends on the person.

SPEAKER_01 12:58

Yeah, and it was it's an a lot easier setup, too. You know, wrapping the foot became really clunky, you know, on a clinical setting, it becomes clunky to do it by yourself. It's even it's even more annoying. Um, one of the things I do like just dropping it in the water, and and oftentimes I'll have I'll have the the athlete or patient put their feet on top of the pads. I think it's just kind of works better that way. But you can move the pads around, like you said, if you have Achilles issues, you can go on the back of the leg and kind of hang it over the tub. Uh, any medial pain, you can certainly do that. So, yeah, it's a lot more versatile than originally the the stringent, really strict boxy protocols that you know of the of the of the past, and they're certainly of the past. Um, I want to give one more video because this is a this is an athlete that we work with. He talks about foot baths. So if you are an athlete and you're you're you're struggling with certain things, you know, here's another example of somebody who believes in the foot bath. I know this individual well. Last year they won the Great Cup, they plan on repeating it. So he worked, he plays for the CFL uh for the Saskatchewan Rough Riders. This is uh Trevor Harris talking about footbath.

SPEAKER_02 14:01

Great for me. Uh, a couple of reasons I love using them is for just activating the leg muscles really to get everything moving and going. Uh, I've had a little bit of turf toe. It's kind of helped that uh on my foot as well. And then the main reason I love using it is for recovery. If I've had a long day of training or my legs are sore, just not feeling quite good. Uh, I'll get that foot bath, you know, put the black pad with the clamshell on the bottom of the foot, cross it over the opposite thigh or glute, uh, whatever it may be. Uh, really helps me feel rejuvenated the next day.

SPEAKER_01 14:30

All right. Again, pretty simple, pretty easy to do. He does it himself. Um, okay, Mason, let's dive into the good stuff. Um, you know, we we so you're taking we're taking the foot bath, and it's in what we're saying is you don't just have to work on your feet. Uh, so I want to start with this one first, hip pain. And let me talk through this, and and we'll have to we'll probably have to bail out of this slide really quickly so we can go into to detail about the 40 and 500. Uh, and Mason, I'll let you break down the 40 uh in a moment, but I want to kind of talk about this. So, what we've done here with hip pain is we took the two red sticky pads that we were talking about that normally you would go on like the quads or tip interior, low back or glute, and we target the area of pain. So the if you notice this pad setup in one of our training portals, it's one of the hip pad placements. So it's right here on glute mead, one of the red pads are on glute mead, so right on the side of the butt cheek. And then the other one's in front on the hip flexor. It's on the side of hip pain. So let's just say, for instance, it's uh you know, you had right side hip pain, you target the right hip specifically. So both of those red pads are on the right side of your hip glute mead and uh and hip flexor. Now you're you're taking your device, and this is for the devices that can adjust. Um, so that means if you have a black, if you have an RX 100, if you have a newbie, if you have a a new X to some degree, but a new X can only go up to 250. Uh, you know, so you but you can dial it down to like 50 pulses per second. Of course, a DX can certainly do this as well. What we're saying is go down to your lowest settings. So whether it's 50, whether it's 40, if it's 250, then just stay there. We like to dial down to 40 pulses per second on reverse current. So what that means is it's gonna start, the heavier current is actually gonna start on the hip, and the lighter current is gonna be uh in the water on the feet. So the idea is we want to activate those points on glute meat and hip flexor, assuming those are some of the breakdowns that create some hip pain. And then we get into that 500 pulses per second on normal polarity where we reconnect that neurological system. But before we get into that, Mason, I want you to kind of dive into the deal of 40 pulses per second. You know, what's the reason for that? What's the rationale? And and um yeah, yeah, why would we change it down to a slower pulse rate?

SPEAKER_03 17:06

Yeah. Uh I think some of the one of the things that we first talk about with people when we're talking about pulse frequency is the fact that the human body on average can contract anywhere between about two to 30 times per second. So I like to give that background when talking about pulse frequency with these devices because it really puts into perspective the power of these devices. Um, when I say muscle can contract in the human body at 30 times per second, that's really reserved for your elite athletes, your fast twitch um, you know, sprinters, um, any sort of aerobic athlete like that is going to have those fast twitch muscles. Um, so why we use the 40 pulses per second first and kind of all encapsulating why we use the 40 pulses per second is really to kind of prime and wake those muscles up, get them activated, uh, get them ready to take on force. Um, and then in this situation as well, we're using it for a little bit of a flush effect too. Because the hip is our target area, um, by using that 40 pulses per second, um, we're able to kind of flush any of that inflammation out as we prep to get into the 500 pulses per second that we follow it up with in the second half.

SPEAKER_01 18:14

Perfection.

SPEAKER_03 18:15

I'm not gonna lie, you probably, if you look, you probably startled me.

SPEAKER_01 18:19

Absolute perfection. I mean, I mean, yeah, 100% correct. You know, it's you're you're driving into a certain pinpoint area and it's like a sledgehammer. It can be a lot deeper, a lot heavier, a lot more localized to wake it up. It's good on so many different levels, and and that was kind of the idea of hitting those two points. Um, on the flip side, Mason. So you have the 40 where it's zeroed in. Here's the other one with 500. Now we're kind of spreading that out, right?

SPEAKER_03 18:47

Yeah, yeah, exactly. So now we're going to a higher frequency, we're covering a wider range of areas, um, which falls exactly into line with what we want to do with the second half of the foot bath, which it's starting to really rebuild that connection between the target area. So in this situation, the hip and the feet. Uh, and then in turn, as it's spreading out and it's going across that wide area, we're starting to reconnect that brain to target tissue connection as well. Um, so once we get into the 500, we get into the higher frequency, we start to have a little bit more of a neurological effect as opposed to the 40 pulses per second, we're getting a little bit more of a muscular effect there.

SPEAKER_01 19:22

Yeah. So let's go back to the hip pain, you know, based on what Mason was telling us here. And and the the protocol is pretty simple. You know, we start for the first 10 minutes, we want to go to 40 pulses per second on reverse polarity. Um, so so that's uh essentially the negative going to the positive, or or it would be on normal polarity, the technically the black to the red, but you can reverse it with a lot of these machines without switching the pads. Run that for about 10 minutes. And the idea is you want to turn up that output power as much as you can tolerate it and you're not compromising form, you know, kind of like the video said from New Fit. You know, you can you could see some toe curl and you can go through some movements as well if you wanted to, but as long as you can get back to a regular, comfortable state without fighting the current too much, you're probably at a good setting and you want to continue to push that output power. Uh, so Mason, you know, this is this is a question that's always it baffles people and how intense they should get. What do you usually suggest to athletes or just regular patients off the street as far as how high should you turn this up?

SPEAKER_03 20:25

It's a little bit situation based, um, but it doesn't have to be too specific. And that was one point that I wanted to circle back with um from the video that we watched earlier from the newbie study where they were doing the foot bath. Um, and that one, they, you know, they mentioned that it was specifically for neuropathy situations, and that was kind of why they landed on the four to five out of 10 for comfortability. Um, I'm usually right around there too, maybe four to six. If I'm post-injury, though, that's where I really try to push those numbers a little bit. So if we can get somebody in a foot bath the same evening as they suffer a high ankle sprain, let's try to push those numbers a little bit because the more inflammation we can pull out of that area early, the better we're setting ourselves up for a quicker recovery, as opposed to the traditional sense of get ice on it right away, uh, try to calm down that inflammation, but then that inflammation sits there. Um, so that's that's where I'll push the numbers a little bit more is very acute injury. When we get into chronic pain situations, it's about finding that level for each patient as they go. Some people are gonna, some people are gonna accept this very, very differently. Um, some of the neuropathy patients, they don't even start to feel it until maybe 40 or 50 on the intensity scale out of 100. Um, there's other people where you get them into the 10s, 15s, and their toes are starting to curl. Um, so again, that's why they had mentioned in the video, it's all subjective. Make sure you're communicating with your patient if you're applying it to someone, um, or make sure that you're kind of self assessing as you increase those uh those units.

SPEAKER_01 21:54

Yeah, again, well said. I, you know, and just FYI between the pulse rates, what you'll find with 40 pulse. Is it's you know, when you start to get to those higher output power numbers, it becomes a lot more difficult to handle this and be able to move through it. It's very difficult to move through 40 on high levels anyway. Uh, 500 will subside a lot quicker, and it's a lot easier to get to those higher levels through movement. So when it comes to a movement-based protocol, I really like the 500. Uh, but 40 has a place, you know, kind of like you were saying, you know, Mason, to kind of flush out the muscles, to activate them before you get started with something. We use it for strength training. Uh, we will get into that eventually as well. That yes, you can actually build muscle using using this device. Uh, but we won't go, we won't dive into that too much because it's a whole nother episode. Uh, so then after that, you work the 10 minutes and then you basically turn this down and then you go to 500 pulses per second and you make that an additional 10 minutes. Now you can adjust those times accordingly if you want to do five and five, you could do 20 and 20. I've done up to our foot baths and not not have had I haven't had any bad response to that. You know, I think the most that you can see from going too long is that you know, think of it as like an intense workout. You can get some muscle soreness from this. Uh, so keep that in mind, you know, and Mason, you kind of talked about that too, is like when someone's injured, you want to go higher. I would say for recovery, it's the opposite. If you're just recovering lower and more frequent, is going to be better for your bounce back time, you know, with athletes, especially if you own this device, you know, I would recommend using this five days a week as opposed to two days a week or three days a week at a high intensity. You know, five days a week at comfort, you're gonna get some more response.

SPEAKER_03 23:41

Yep. I had that exact conversation with somebody yesterday. He texted me and he said, Can I use a foot bath every single day, or should I be taking breaks? Um, and there was that exact conversation. Please use it every day. If your body starts to get a little bit sore, just move some of those placements around. And as you guys will go through this episode, you'll start to see there's plenty of places to put your ground pads on your body um so that you can mix things up and still do foot bath sessions every day if you want.

SPEAKER_01 24:06

Bam! Hit it again. You are on point today, Mason. You've had your coffee. I am uh I'm blown away. You're you're hitting it. All the everyone who's listening to this right now, uh current currently at this moment, we are 12 30 Eastern time. We are live. So if you have any questions, you can reach out to us YouTube, Instagram, Facebook, TikTok, X run, all of them. Um, so make sure you follow, you like, you share, but leave a comment, leave a question. We can answer it right now if you have a question right now and you're joining in with us. So hip pain is one. Let's go to another. Give me another, give me another condition.

SPEAKER_03 24:39

Well, you kind of got to talk about one that's close to home for you. So let's go to one that's close to home for me, and that would be the low back one.

SPEAKER_01 24:46

What makes you think this can work for low back?

SPEAKER_03 24:48

Uh, the fact that I use it three times a week religiously, and I've never seen my low back have better response to activity than it does since I've started doing that. I know I'm one person, um, but I've heard that before.

SPEAKER_01 25:01

Bam, here's low back. You are not alone. I've I to me, Mason, this is probably what most people want to see. Can I sit down and do absolutely nothing and work my low back? The answer is yes, with this device, any direct current device has this potential to do this. The theme is the same, it's just gonna be the pad placement that's gonna change. Still 40 on the reverse and then back to 500 on the normal, doing 10 minutes on each and just continuing to push up. If you want to move, you can certainly move your toes and your ankle if you want to go through that, or if you want to just sit there and watch uh the Yankees blow another lead and embarrass themselves, that's fine too. Go Yankees anyway.

SPEAKER_03 25:41

You're gonna have somebody from the team watching.

SPEAKER_01 25:45

Well, they need to pick up one of our devices.

SPEAKER_03 25:48

Exactly. No, I I love this one. I I use this one, like I said, three times a week, bare minimum, Monday, Wednesday, Friday, I'm on this. Um, and then I'm also sprinkling it in anytime that I'm doing any sort of activity um where I know that my my back might start to flare up. Um, so when I embarrass myself with my sticks back there um and have a rough round and come home, I'm getting myself in a foot bath to try to at least make myself feel a little bit better. Um, so I just I I love this one. And I think the beauty of this one too is you've got um one of our standard low back setups on there. And there's just there's that one, there's um bilateral uh QL. I love using that one. Um, you can work it a little bit higher and start to get some more trapezius involvement in there too. Um definitely some lat involvement also. Um, this one is just I find this one to be so universal when using the low back one.

SPEAKER_01 26:42

You know, and Mason, I'm glad you addressed that because look at these pad placements. Um you know, there's one on the glute mead, there's one on the VMO, they're not even close to each other. Obviously, it's not on the back. What's what's the premise behind this? Uh obviously we know, but can you explain why this breakdown and not just kind of going on the pain point and chasing the pain like most people do?

SPEAKER_03 27:08

Yeah, absolutely. I think it's because as many of us know, um, or many of us are trying to find the answer to, is that our pain, where our pain is exemplifying itself at, very, very often it's not where the pain is actually occurring from or generating at. Um, that's usually a compensatory pain or a compensation that you're feeling. Um, and so that's why we find that placements over the exact area of pain, it's usually not what we may need, especially initially with these. Um, so that's exactly why you see this setup that we've got up there, um, is because those are some of the breakdown points and some of the most common breakdown points you see when there's low back pain showing in a patient. Um, is it could be glut mead activation with the glutamade. Um, it could be adductor strength because everybody's adductors are weak to an extent. Um, so that's why you know this you see this setup here, and think, why is it low back? Well, because through muscular connections and fascial networks, those are connected to your low back.

SPEAKER_01 28:10

Yeah, 100%. We're we're actually targeting the problem as opposed to chasing the symptom. And you're doing that even just by sitting on the foot bath and clearing out all those pathways that are that are problem points and and creating some of that that pain. Uh, low back's a common one, you know, a lot of people have it. Again, these pad placements, just like everything we say, there's there's really no wrong way to do this. Don't break the contraindications, which is pacemaker, blood clots, and pregnancy. If you have cancer, just talk to your doctor and let them know that you're gonna get on this device and make your life better. But you could certainly use it on cancer as well if you if you're a cancer patient. But as long as you're not breaking any of those contraindications, again, no wrong way to do it. There's just better ways. So you could essentially surround a pain point and run this footpath as well and perhaps see some results. We like to give pad placements where we've seen the majority of the results, though, and that's what we're suggesting in a lot of our portal. All right, I digress. Let's move on to another one. All these themes are gonna be the same, but here's another one that I know we're gonna get a lot of, and that's knee pain. And by the way, all these are gonna be free on our website. Yes, free on our website eventually, where you can just easily go to nervotics.com and take a look at it over in the training section and resources. These are going to be in the portal as well. So if you have a device through us, you will have access to all of this. And as we continue to grow off these portals or these protocols into the portal, we will make sure we give out all this information, you guys, so you can continue to educate yourself and get better at this. Absolutely. Again, let's just go over pad placement, Mason. Um, let's talk about this one. This is on VMO and and uh um interior Tib. Again, two reds there, and then of course the feet will be in water. What's what's the premise behind this? Have you seen a lot of results with this one?

SPEAKER_03 30:01

Yeah, yeah, seen some really good results with this one. And this one, uh, I'm excited to talk about this one just because I feel like we utilized this one a lot last month on our couple of travels that we did uh with people that were coming in and you know, complaining of knee pain, whether it was osteoarthritis, meniscus, MCL issues. Um, we were seeing some really good results with this, and I think it traces back to what we were talking about earlier, and that's muscular connections. Um, so getting a pad anchored onto that anterior tip, um which is responsible for a lot of the dorsiflexion in the foot. Uh, so that's a big one with a majority of athletes. Every time you take a step, you're dorsiflexing. Um, you're pulling those toes up. And so your anterior tip, very active, getting a pad on there is gonna be really beneficial. And then your VMO, which on it goes right there with the adductors, it's very weak. Uh, most people don't have the VMO that you see on athletes where it bulges out. Most people have the VMO where you flex your leg or extend your knee, I should say, um, and it it divots in. Uh, and that's just because we're very weak in that area. Um, so getting it on two breakdown points that aren't activating as well as they need to, or may just be fatigued and sending that current up that area.

SPEAKER_01 31:12

Well said. Knee pain done. Uh and and I see the I see the uh questions coming in. We'll handle those in a minute. We're running out of time, so I want to make sure we get through some of these others. I got two more, and these are common ones. Shoulder pain's a big one, and I've used this one with some pitchers, and they've loved it. Uh, I'm gonna talk about a secondary pad placement that worked as well. But Mason, talk me through this one. So we have a red on looks like posterior deld infraspinatus, and then the other red on the lateral bicep again, same arm. We are targeting the pain area, usually on one side.

SPEAKER_03 31:45

Yeah, and this is this is where you can start to have a little bit more fun with it, is especially with the shoulder one, um, because the patient isn't as stuck in one position, you know, with the knee one, we can't get too much knee movement in there, or we're pulling them out of the water. But with the shoulder is where you can start to go through movement-based protocols on top of having the foot bath going on. So whether it's just having them go through active range of motion, if you want to throw some isometrics in there, um, but you're able to start getting some activity going with this one. Um, and kind of same thing is surrounding that area, some major breakdown points that we see typically, anything with that rotator cuff or that Terry's minor there on the back of the shoulder usually is going to be a breakdown point, especially in our overhead athletes. Um, and then kind of that, like you said, lateral bicep, getting into that middle deltoid area. Um, it's just such a big muscle complex there. So having that as our second ground option is just going to help bring things together with that shoulder situation.

SPEAKER_01 32:42

Yeah. And and with the uh with the 500, this is where I really like 500 because 40 kind of activates. One of the things I did with one of the pitchers I'm working with is at 40, I told him to relax, just you know, no movement at all, just kind of turn it up to the comfort levels of and just continue to increase for those 10 minutes. And then we get to the 500, that's when he started going through what you're talking about, just kind of working through some of those sticking points. Um, he had a ball in his hand and he we obviously wasn't throwing, but you certainly could do that as well. You know, have one of your guys in the locker room as you're sitting down with your feet in the water, have him stand across, and you can just you can lightly throw it, you know, get some movement while you're actually sitting there. That's where 500 does a good job with this, especially on the movement side. All right, last one, and then uh we'll kind of get into this. Isn't the last one overall, but these are the basic major ones that we've used with our water bath series. Uh, like I said, you know, if you have a device, try these out. You'll be very surprised on how well it works, especially if you're consistent with it. Uh, but here's another good one. I know someone's thinking about this already, and that's neck pain. Can you go all the way up to the neck? And if you do, what would you do? I have a couple of suggestions with this one. Uh, but here's the first pad placement. Uh, Mason, what are your thoughts on using this for neck? Have you seen it? Have you seen anything good with this yet?

SPEAKER_03 33:58

Yeah, again, firsthand, I have. Uh, I use this on family members a lot. This is a great alternative to just the standard neck protocol. Um, because again, just using the water to magnify, I kind of refer to this as the full body reset. If we're going from feet all the way up to the neck and including everything in between because it's running in one singular direction through the body, um, we are essentially resetting the body from its base, from its foundation, all the way up to where that problem area may be, whether it's neck, upper traps, um, shoulders. So that's why I really like this one. We've seen some really good effects from this one, um, just as good as our standard back protocols and neck protocols, I think.

SPEAKER_01 34:40

Yeah. And you know, to your point, uh, one of the one of the things, one of the adjustments I made is I'd I kept the one on the the horizontal one just below the hairline, and I took the one on the rhomboids and moved it over to a problem area that was like Terry's um on one side. So you can certainly, you know, shift those around to, you know, with where those pain breakdowns are. Um, but yeah, that that's neck protocol. Same thing with this one, I would say, you know, go to numbers a little bit lower, three to four out of ten, uh, because you know, it is on the neck, it can't hurt, but you could get sore from that. Again, think about doing a lot of neck ups or some sort of like body weight exercise. You are gonna strengthen the neck, which is good and which is why it works, but you don't want to be too sore from it, at least on the first one. Gradually build it up. If you're more consistent with this, that's where you're gonna see the results.

unknown 35:30

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 35:31

And one thing I wanted to say with that too, because I know when Jake and I are just throwing out a ton of different placements, a ton of different names of muscles. You know, if you're watching and you're getting spun around with all these different terms, um, one thing that we can kind of revert back to, Jake, how you had mentioned moving that second pad, um, you know, the vertical one in this image here, moving it over to like the Terry's minor area, um, if that was where the problem area was or the breakdown point. And really, what you can translate that to for everybody listening is Jake's essentially going above and below the problem area, which is one thing that we always kind of preach to people is you know, when all else fails and you're not finding the breakdown point or you don't know exactly where it is, put a pad above and below that problem area, and you're going to hit what's causing you pain or what's causing you symptoms. Um, so in a simple form, that's kind of what Jake was explaining there by moving that other pad. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 36:28

That's all we have on the water bath protocols for today. So there you go. We, you know, we hit the hip, the low back, the knee, the shoulder, the neck, all the major points. Um, we'll handle your questions now. We'll get you is the at least the ones we can for the time being. Here's one right here. Kimberly asks us, will the low back changes uh with the low back, changes the pads halfway to the other leg. Yeah, so if you um this is to target a specific pain area. So if you had a bad right knee, it would specifically be on the right knee. But you definitely could do that if both knees were bad and you wanted to switch to the other side halfway through and do five minutes on each side, you certainly can do that as well. Uh what we end up working with is uh we want to get that you know that pain area kind of activated first, kind of balance it out. What you'll find is a lot of times through just a traditional treatment, when they're you know, when they're in a clinic, even when you have a bilateral setup, meaning let's just say, let's say both both the shoulders are being worked, but my right shoulder is bad and I have a pad in front and back, a lot of times on the trauma side, you feel a lot less current. And and so in in a case like this, we want to put the attention on the trauma side first, but there's nothing wrong with basically balancing it out if you wanted to say, hey, my my left side's a little bit jealous that you've been focusing on the right. So go right ahead. If you have the time, sit down and do it on your your left side as well. It's perfectly okay. Good question.

SPEAKER_03 37:58

And if it doesn't lean one way or the other, that's where you can kind of rely on those QL placements too.

SPEAKER_01 38:03

Yep, 100%. Um, Queen B, will this work with hand pain in the water? Okay, great question. So we do have hand bath protocols. We will we will talk about that, but you can use the water bath here, feet in water. Uh, I've done it before and just kind of go on the forearm brachial radialis area, maybe your, I don't know, pronator muscle, one of those, and you can kind of work through things like that. Your hand is not in water in this case, your feet are, but it's connected to your feet, so you're kind of running that entire chain. You can also run it in water. That's again, that's another episode we'll get into where we'll talk about hand bath. Um, you know, has a place, there's a place for hand bath as well. Uh, I I think uh, you know, we wean really hard into the foot bath just because of the results that we've seen.

unknown 38:50

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 38:51

Good question, though. Uh a lot of questions popping in now. Uh let's see. I want to let's see. I will have time to take one more here. Filter through them. Yeah. Here we go. Can't really ask another one. Um, also in hand bath without movements, or best in foot bath. Um, so you know, I don't want to get too deep into the hand bath, but you know, those of you who aren't familiar, your hand does actually go in water. You could do movements, of course. Um, maybe pronation, supination. You can even do some sort of like wrist curl or reverse wrist curl. That could all be done in water in a tub. Um, I actually like it better when your feet are in water and you attach the red pads and do the movements that way. I'll give you kind of a you know, a recent thing I did with somebody I was working with. She, you know, we we didn't do it together. I had her do it on her own, but I said, put your feet in the water and then do wrist curls with dumbbells, but while the pad is on that problem area. So she did lightweight with with dumbbells while this machine was on and worked through it. So there was a movement protocol with it, but using the water bath, not so much the hand bath. So there I'm I'm trying to separate those two. There's water bath protocols now, and then there's like foot bath and hand bath, specific for certain things. But this water bath is kind of taking over from head to toe. It's gonna be different eventually. We'll probably merge them all, but good questions.

SPEAKER_03 40:15

And I think too, with the hand bath, um, that's one that you definitely like we had mentioned with the neck to the handbath, you just have to be a little bit cautious of those output powers at times. They can sneak up on you, and then the next day um you can get some soreness as compared to the foot bath. Um, I feel like Jake, I don't want to speak for you, but I feel like I've seen a less negative response with DOMS and soreness um with treating the shoulder with a foot bath versus attacking it with a hand bath. So, but that's gonna be again on a case-by-case basis.

SPEAKER_01 40:44

Yeah, if I if I had to lean in, I'd definitely lean in on the uh water bath, feet and water. I I think everything starts at the base. I I think it's uh people talk about grounding, and if you're if you're into any of that, this is sort of a you know, you can kind of take that concept with it. But there have been a lot of good results with the the water bath, feet and water. Big proponent of it. By the way, I'm gonna embarrass us now because we we speaking of foot baths, we did more foot baths in the history of nervotics in a week than I think we've ever done at any other event, and that was a pickleball event we did in Naples about a month ago. Mason, let's talk about this picture here. I feel like we got ambushed. Um, you guys are making fun of me. Everyone thinks this is staged, but we were all actually doing a foot bath before they started. What in the world? Wait, what was the joke you said that got everybody going? We were having a good time, of course.

SPEAKER_03 41:35

We're probably comparing numbers at that point. Probably saying that I could only get up to my shoe size in numbers there. So, but no, I mean that's there's a perfect situation right there. That was probably what, Jake, day three or four of that event. It was an eight-day event, um, basically morning tonight. Uh, and God, we we did hundreds of foot bass that week. By day three or four, I think all three of us had something uh that was yelling at us a little bit. And you can see that we all got a little bit of different placements on too. You're going a little bit more VMO, uh, Dr. Faith there. She's going with that quad setup. And then, man, if I'm not mistaken, I'm probably I think I'm up higher on the quad. Uh, it doesn't look like I'm low back for that one just yet because I know it was my knee that was just taking me apart that week.

SPEAKER_01 42:20

So yeah, for sure. For sure. What a day, what a day that was. Uh speaking of that day, though, we uh we t-shirts were like the theme, right? Yeah, t-shirts were the theme. Absolutely.

SPEAKER_03 42:33

Oh, you got yours on?

SPEAKER_01 42:34

I'm wearing it, buddy. Look at that. And and so we we have t-shirts. We are giving, we are giving away a free t-shirt. There we go. This is uh Defend makes these, but we uh, you know, really good company. It's a really comfortable t-shirt. Uh, you know, you gotta you gotta you gotta follow us YouTube, Instagram, Facebook, TikTok, X, or all of them, one of them or all of them, and just let us know you want to be in the running for a free t-shirt. The more you follow, the more you comment, the more you like, the better chances you have of getting a free t-shirt. So just grab our attention and uh yeah, we're we're trying to get rid of them. So yeah, let's go.

SPEAKER_03 43:13

We got them for you. They're great shirts. We were wearing them for all of these events. Um, so yeah, if it's something something that you would be proud supporting and wearing around, getting the word out about DC, get a hold of us.

SPEAKER_01 43:24

Yeah, absolutely. Mason, any final thoughts?

SPEAKER_03 43:28

Put your feet in water with electricity. That's just what keeps coming to mind if you have a DC device.

SPEAKER_01 43:34

You gotta be. That's what I should say. Reach out to us first. You got to have one of these. You gotta have one of these. Now I don't have them all on here, but these are the trusted ones with a few others. The black isn't in here. Uh, definitely well trusted Phoenix Wave Globus product. It's not in there. Definitely direct current as well, very trusted. You need a direct current device to do this. And I just broke that one, so make sure we take that out of Mason's paycheck.

SPEAKER_03 43:57

That makes sense. That makes sense. No, we we just we love this. Uh it's usually one that people are apprehensive about at first. I think this is one we probably do the most calls with people where we walk through it with them. Um, you know, they want to see us be the guinea pig first and make sure that if the direct current guy doesn't get hurt, then I'll be good. So, but uh yeah, we we just we push this one a lot. We know there's some apprehension with it. We just want to explain it the best that we can um and try to lessen that apprehension. But if there are any more questions, if you do want to be somebody that goes through one with us live, um please feel free to reach out to us. Uh we'd we'd love to know that everybody that has a direct current device has tried the footpath at least once.

SPEAKER_01 44:38

Yeah, 100%. Well said, Mason. Good to see you again. Boy, the second one already out the door. That the time flies. So we we're supposed to keep these within 30 minutes. It's already four to five minutes. Thanks for joining in. Hey, listen, if if you're interested, we'll be here again next week. It's Thursday Tech Talks at 12 p.m. Eastern time. Next week, we are talking about recovery and the benefits of using this for recovery. I'm a big proponent that recovery is your performance device if you're an athlete. If you can recover and bounce back quicker than the next person, you're gonna be that much better when it comes to the end of the season. Recovery is key. So, all you kids out there trying to be the top elite athlete, if you're not thinking about recovery, you're falling behind. We're gonna talk about some of the uh tips and tricks and things we use with the pros that keep them at high levels. Uh, you're not gonna want to miss this next week on recovery.

SPEAKER_03 45:28

Yeah, super excited for this. This is the behind-the-scenes stuff of why all your favorite athletes are as good as they are.

SPEAKER_01 45:34

Yeah, 100%. So that about wraps up our tech talk. Thank you for joining in with us. If you'd like to learn more about our technology, our training resources, or how you would want to get involved just with us in general, you could visit us at nervotics.com. That's n-e-r v e o tx.com. Until next time, we're out. Take care, everyone.