Congrats! You Get To Do Things

Most of us are running on autopilot, showing up to jobs that drain us, friendships that feel one-sided, and responsibilities we never actually chose. But what if the shift from obligation to commitment could change everything?

In this episode of See Through, Dev and Roger explore one of the most quietly powerful distinctions in personal development: the difference between doing something because you feel you have to and doing it because you genuinely choose to. It sounds simple. The impact is anything but.

Through real, honest conversations, including Roger's reframe of fatherhood and Dev's experience of social obligation growing up, they get into why so many of us drift through life carrying weight we never consciously agreed to carry. And more importantly, how to put it down.

You will walk away with practical tools to help you prioritize what actually matters to you, set boundaries that stick, reconnect with your deeper why, and approach life's harder seasons with more self-compassion and less guilt.

The episode closes with a "Motivational Minute" that hits differently: the ordinary moments you are living right now are the ones you will one day call the good old days.

If you have ever felt buried under everything on your plate, this episode will challenge you to see every single item on that list in a completely new light.

Topics covered: obligation vs. commitment, boundary setting, personal values, mindset shift, fulfillment, self-compassion, work-life balance, intentional living, motivation, purpose

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Transcript

SPEAKER_00 0:02

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SPEAKER_01 0:19

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SPEAKER_00 0:40

If this is your first time listening, welcome to the show. We're so excited to have you. If you've been listening, thank you so much for your continued support. I'm really excited about today's episode. But before we jump into today's episode, we wanted to also kind of ask a request for those of you that have been listening. Um we would love to get your perspective and some ideas on some future episodes. Um, so far, all the content that we've been putting out have just been honestly a lot of the conversations that we've been having over a number of years that we really felt compelled to want to share with all of you and to kind of start the conversation around. But if there's anything that you feel really compelled around, or if you feel you'd like to hear about something specific or even share a perspective, you can find us on social media, Instagram. Uh, you can DM us, maybe a thought that you may have, or even any feedback that you have on the show, um, as well as leave us a review and let us know any future content that you'd love to hear. We are kind of thinking about what else we could do. We're looking to put out one episode every week. Um, usually every Sunday is kind of what we're aiming for. And so uh yeah, again, thank you so much for being on this journey. And so with that, what is today's episode about, Roger?

SPEAKER_01 1:42

Yeah, awesome. Thanks, Dev. On today's episode, we're going to talk about obligations versus commitments and how recognizing when you do something, why are you doing it, it really changes your own personal experience. Now, before we jump into it, let's start by just quickly defining what we mean here by obligations versus commitments as they are defined. In short, commitment is a choice to engage in something, while obligation is a feeling of being compelled to do something, often rooted in duty or external pressure. Commitment implies a positive and chosen engagement, while obligation can sometimes feel like a burden or a chore. How shifting your mindset on things you feel you have to do to things you want to do, which can really change both your success and happiness. Today we are going to talk about how shifting your mindset on things you feel you have to do to things you want to do, which can really change both your success and happiness. I'll see you on the other side.

SPEAKER_00 3:23

This can include, but not limited to, staying in a job just because it's stable. Responding to emails or messages after hours, visiting relatives out of guilt, not genuine desire.

SPEAKER_01 3:34

Keeping up with friendships that feel one-sided.

SPEAKER_00 3:37

Staying in contact with that one toxic family member because they are family.

SPEAKER_01 3:42

Forcing yourself to meditate or journal because that's what successful people are supposed to do.

SPEAKER_00 3:47

Working out from a place of shame rather than self-love.

SPEAKER_01 3:51

Saving or investment just because everyone else is doing it now.

SPEAKER_00 3:54

These are honestly just a few of the ideas that we came up with. But honestly, the list is endless of the things that you may feel forced that you have to do in life. And so why is this a problem? I think for us, if you don't find a way to commit to things in a way that feels good for you, you're always going to have this emotional friction and resistance in various aspects of your life. And now it's not always easy to commit to the things that you feel obligated to do. We felt compelled to talk about this today and explore aspects of how to shift your mindset in this really important area.

SPEAKER_01 4:26

Yeah, often, you know, I've been guilty of it getting into, you know, sort of mindset or getting stuck in a mindset of is this something I have to do or is this something I want to do? And I came up with uh an example that I'm pretty sure a lot of us can resonate with. And for me, it's around, you know, one's health, my personal health journey. Um, I feel obligated to getting in shape, eating healthy, working out regularly. Or maybe it's about saving or investing my money, right? I have to um save my money. I shouldn't be eating out. I have to sacrifice designer clothes or those name brand shoes or buying a less expensive car, et cetera, et cetera. And what I want us to get into is this mindset of you know, what makes us feel like it's an obligation when in fact it should be a commitment. Now, I'll give you an example. So getting in shape, eating healthy, working out, is that an obligation or is that a commitment? More often than not, when I find those that stay committed here in sort of that mindset are the ones who get ahead in those type of buckets, right? So if you look at somebody and you're like, oh my God, that person's super in shape. Well, were they obligated to be in shape or were they committed for themselves to be in shape? Right. And that's a fundamental mind shift. And every day as we sort of live our lives, that question can play out. Am I obligated to do this or am I committed to do this? And based on where you are in that feeling, I think that's how you show up.

SPEAKER_00 5:58

Totally. And it's really sad because a lot of people kind of live their life on autopilot, where they just feel obligated to get up at a certain time, to, you know, say certain things, to be a person, to be a to be a particular person when in fact that's not really who they want to be, because they feel obligated by their parents, they feel obligated by their friends, their family, society to show up a certain way. And I can't think of anything more exhausting than that.

SPEAKER_01 6:25

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 6:25

Is to feel like you have to do something a certain way when that's not genuinely what you want to do. Now, the double-edged sword of this whole conversation, as Roger was alluding to, is there are things sometimes in life that you are obligated to do that you had no control over, that you had no choices over. It could be because of your life circumstance or maybe a really freak, you know, sequence of events that wound you up in a situation that you now have to deal with. And we're not saying that obviously you can give up on those situations and just kind of say, well, I don't feel like doing this. I'm not committed to doing this, I'm gonna walk away from it. But what we're also saying is you have to find your kind of reasoning and your why in every situation that you're in, especially the ones that you're obligated in. Because if you don't, then often what you'll find is you're never really gonna feel that sense of fulfillment in anything that you're doing. And, you know, an example for me at least is growing up, I always felt really obligated to be social. Go to parties, hang out with friends after school, like always be on, you know, uh MSN is the kind of the era of chat group that I grew up with. Uh, you know, I remember I was one of the only kids in my in my high school that didn't have a BlackBerry. And back then, like BBM was this like really like if you didn't have BBM, like what were you doing?

SPEAKER_01 7:41

It was a thing.

SPEAKER_00 7:42

You couldn't get people's pins. Like, what do you mean you can't get somebody's pin? And I remember this, I felt this like genuine obligation of, wow, I really have to figure this out. I really have to play this part. And I think that's one of the things that I really had to recognize is when I feel obligated to do something, the thing that I really ask myself is, what's the real reason I'm doing this? Like, what's the actual fundamental reason I'm doing this? Am I doing this because I care about what other people think? Or am I doing this because I just don't want to create conflict and it's just easy for me to just, you know what? I don't want to create a mess. I'm just gonna do it because this is the path of least resistance. And whatever your answer to those questions may be is totally valid. But the thing that I always ask myself is how do I create an environment where the real reason I'm doing something is because I want to do that thing? And that's a really tough question to ask yourself in a lot of these kind of circumstances. And for me, in that social situation, the example that I was just talking about, what I had to kind of fall in love with was I only wanted to be in those party settings or be in those kind of chat groups with people that I really felt like had my best interests. And it was only those friends that I invested in. And that's kind of the reason I was doing it, not because I felt like I had to kind of maintain a facade or maintain an image. And so I think that's something that I really want to unpack is how do you kind of balance when you have to do something versus when you want to do something? It's such a tricky, tricky slope.

SPEAKER_01 9:08

Yeah. As you're speaking, what comes to mind for me is do I feel burdened by this activity or energized by this activity? Yeah. And here, I'll give you another example. I love my examples. I'm a dad, right? I am obligated to raise my children, right? Legally, I'm obligated to raise my children. Um, but I'm also committed, right? As a dad, and somebody who wants to be invested in their development and their growth, I want to be committed to them. You know, I'll use a simple example of feeding them. If your child isn't of age to cook for themselves, as a parent, you are obligated to feed that child. I could make it easy for myself and feed them anything, but you know where I sort of flip that energy shift of, oh, I gotta make dinner and what am I going to make for dinner? I've changed it to a commitment of I want to feed them something that's healthy, something that's um, you know, not filled with a lot of preservatives and ingredients other than healthy ingredients, right? So I'm committed to making them healthy food. And with that commitment, I'm energized to come up with recipes and sort of think of what I can create that's gonna sort of really light their taste buds on fire in a good way, but also, you know, knowing that what they're eating and consuming is going to help them long term in their health and they're gonna have benefits from it. You know, another example is um I'm obligated to have my children learn and do things. So I've bought them some technology, but I'm committed to limiting their screen time. Why? Because I want them to go outside, I want them to play sports and enjoy other aspects of their life, not just the digital currency, if you will, right? And so those are mind shifts, right? And when everything was sort of coming at me at the beginning, you can be overwhelmed, right? You're like, oh my God, there's so much I have to do. So you feel like these obligations, these burdens, if you will, they're they're beating me down. But the minute I kind of shifted, and you know, it didn't take long, but there was a I had to have a conversation with myself. I'm like, what are you feeling actually burdened by, right? And whether it's my kids or my job or this or that. And I realized it was just a mind shift. And when I started shifting to what I could control, and I and I think there's, you know, we haven't talked about that element in our lives yet, is what do you actually control and what you what what is it that you don't control? And when you start to really lean on the things that you actually control, it shifts your mind from burdened to energized, it shifts your mind from I'm obligated to I'm committed to. And for me, those are some like little tidbits and and things I've done to really foster this growth mindset of not being stuck in an obligation mindset.

SPEAKER_00 11:52

Yeah, I think that's that's a really great way to look at it. And and it's something I resonate a lot with, which is in the moment, in real time, how are you shifting that commitment into an obligation? And for me, I also think a lot about how do you also reframe that obligation as not something that you have to do, but something that you want to do. Yeah. Right. And that's kind of what really stuck out from what you were sharing. A lot of people, you know, even if we think about money, I think money is a really big obligation. A lot of people feel pressured around, you know, especially if you're the primary, you know, financial provider in your household, in your family. I know a lot of friends that support people uh back home in their original country, or even people that are now kind of dealing with financial situations that they didn't even cause and are kind of having to clean up uh for a better word. And it's really easy to get negative about those kinds of things. I've been there where you feel like, well, this is not fair. It's not, you know, it's not my fault. It's not, you know, I just got uh unlucky or I'm in the wrong place at the wrong time, or hey, you know what, the people around me have it so much easier and they don't have to deal with this obligation that I have to deal with. And I honestly think the moment you start to compare your obligations with others' obligations, you've already lost a hundred percent of the time. And that's something I had to really learn growing up is okay, my obligations are gonna look really different than somebody else's because what I found was preventing my ability to commit was feeling a bit unjust that I had this obligation and somebody else didn't. Yeah. Okay, well, why do I have to be the Uber for my family because this person chose not to drive? Like, how's that okay, or how's that fair? You're right, it's not okay and it's not fair, but it's the reality. And so you can suffer and just be angry all the time and just be upset about that. Or you could throw on a podcast while you're Ubering your friends and family around, or you can, you know, call a friend or find some way to commit to something that you know you have to. And I think that's one of the kind of the truths about life that you have to accept is there are things that you have to do, whether you like them or not. You do have control to an extent because you know, you can choose where you spend your time, your energy, your focus. You can choose some of these things. But ultimately, if you don't find a way to shift that mindset, it life can just feel exhausting all the time. And and it's already tricky enough. Why make it even harder on yourself if you don't need to?

SPEAKER_01 14:21

Yeah, I love the shameless plug of listening to a podcast. Yeah, listen to our podcast. Right. So why not? That's awesome. But I yeah, where you're going with this topic for me, it's the what are the longer term impacts, right? And you and I spoke of this word duty, and I think duty can come in there and sort of shift your thinking as well from an obligation to duty to ultimately a commitment. Um, for me, commitment, you know, when I think of the definitions of it, commitment builds resilience and allows for personal growth, right? That's the idea. So if we go back to my example of health and exercise and eating right, yeah, I have to be commitment to it, committed to it, but ultimately that's going to give me some sort of personal growth, right? Hopefully I live longer, I, you know, I burn off some of that body fat that I don't want, et cetera, et cetera. An obligation can lead to burnout, and if not balanced um properly with your personal choices, right? And how many of us, you know, my hand is up right now, felt burnt out at some point in your life, um, whether it be work, whether it be your obligations in your personal life, and when they compound on top of each other, it's hard to, it's hard to swim, continue swimming, right? You start sinking. But, you know, if you do the right work and you take the time to go through that journey and to realize what are my true obligations in life, and then what are my actual commitments that I want that'll fuel, you know, my growth and my sort of excitement of continuing doing the things that I'm doing. And that was a fundamental shift for me, right? And it's not easy. I know a lot of people struggle through those things and they can't see the light at the end of the tunnel. But I think it's one day at a time. I also believe it's finding the right people to speak to. And, you know, sometimes it's emulating someone else's behavior that's doing something positive for themselves that can inspire you to start doing things that are positive for yourself as well.

SPEAKER_00 16:17

Totally. And so while this is a really tricky kind of subject because again, everyone's life situation is gonna look different. But I think one thing that we all share in common is how do we really foster commitment while we manage our obligations? And so, right after the break, we're gonna give you a couple of tips that we came up with on how to do exactly that. So we will see you on the other side. So, our first tip prioritize and identify what truly matters to you and allocate your time and energy accordingly. And so when you look at all of the things that you feel obligated to do, meaning the things that you don't feel like you want to do, but life is forcing you to do, what you need to start to think to yourself is okay, if I had to priority set these obligations, what are the things that are the most meaningful to me, even if they're not that meaningful in this moment? Because by doing that, it allows you to then maybe start to build a bit of commitment to some of the things that are maybe going on in your life. Now, it's not possible to always commit to everything. Some things are very tricky, and we acknowledge that. But there's always some way of flipping your mindset on things that you have to do into things that you want to do. And that only starts by first prioritizing the things that matter to you the most.

SPEAKER_01 17:49

I love that. And the beauty in prioritizing is you can layer in obligations with commitments, right? And when you think of energy and you think of the things that are gonna invigorate you and sort of give you the energy to the power forward, maybe start with a commitment, right? Maybe it's in the day, right? Like you have a root routine in your day. Start with something you're committed to. In the morning, I'm gonna make a healthy breakfast. Okay, great. So you've committed to that. Well, now you can layer in an obligation as well, right? I have to do something else. Great. Now you've got this energy kick that you accomplished a commitment, so now I can check mark an obligation as well. And it's these just little tips and tricks. I love that one, Dev. Let's go to number two. Uh, for me, this one's huge: setting boundaries. Learn to say no to some things, right, that don't align with your values or that potentially drain your energy. This has been a monumental learn for me. You know, I had a personal life event happen quite recently. I had to take some time away from my, you know, my career and my work obligations, right? If I can say that, in some sense, they were obligations, in other senses, they were commitments, but I need to take some time away. And after I've reflected and I've come back now, I've sort of realized I might have over-indexed my commitments in my professional life. And I made my personal life maybe obligations in some sense. And what I've realized coming back is because I gave so much in one environment, I actually didn't have enough left in the environment that actually truly mattered to me for whatever reason. And the sort of the boundary I'm setting for myself this time is I'm not going to overcommit somewhere that I don't feel, well, the value or it might be draining my energy is the right approach. So I'm going to reduce some of those commitments and apply those commitments in the personal field and reduce them in the professional field just so I can remain balanced, right? And set those boundaries.

SPEAKER_00 19:54

Yeah, I think boundary setting in all aspects of your life is very important. But I think on this topic of really when you're having to manage your obligations and fostering your commitment could not be better said. I also think something that resonated with me with what you just said is you can have a lot of competing obligations, right? You had mentioned work and family. Well, those are a lot of obligations, I think, for most people that they have every single day. And they can both feel really heavy and they can both feel really important. But again, finding your balance and finding how much energy you want to put and creating boundaries in both of those spaces, I think is extremely important. Okay, our third tip, one of my favorites. Reframe obligations if possible and find a way to connect those obligations to your goals or your values. And for me, this has honestly been one of my biggest unlocks. And I'll give you an example of this that really kind of shifted the way I kind of view things that I have to do. One of the things that I really despised doing growing up is when I had to kind of run errands or do manual labor, you know, things like raking the lawn or mowing the lawn, shoveling the driveway, another really, you know, one that I did not look forward to. Just things that were really intense labor. And I'm an only child, so I don't have any siblings to split the workload with. Um, and obviously it was uh it was a part of my duty as uh an only child, as you know, my my mom's only kid, um, as well as obviously an obligation to take care of the household work. And one of the things that I found is when I started to think about, okay, well, I have to shovel the driveway, I have to mow the lawn, I have to do all these physically tumultuous tasks. Well, I don't really want to do this task, but something that I did want to do was to become stronger and become faster and become better physically. And so by doing these tasks, I used to set challenges for myself to see how quickly I could shovel the driveway or how fast I could mow the lawn. Now, that isn't to say that I did it in a sloppy way, I still did it and did the job correctly. But it almost challenged me now. It became a physical challenge. And instead of lifting 15-pound dumbbells, I was lifting 500 pounds of snow. If you live in Canada, you get that reference. And so I think any obligation that you have, finding a way to connect that back to something that really matters to you. And it doesn't even need to make sense to others. If it really resonates with you, you can find a little bit of joy in maybe this unpleasant experience. Listen, it still sucked to shovel the driveway in like minus 30 weather while the snow is still coming down. So you're like, okay, I'm shoveling this driveway and I know I'm going to have to do this again. But at least I felt good about, okay, my physical stamina was improving. And that's something that I really wanted. So it's kind of finding those little bridges, I think, help you reframe your mindset in a really profound way.

SPEAKER_01 22:44

Yeah, it's that um whole burden versus energized, right? And just a simple flip of like, hey, I've got to get in my exercise today, anyways. Why not just use this physical chore as a way to get in that physical activity? And I think that happens in our life for any chore that we do, right? Resetting is, I think, really good for all of us. Who likes to clean a house? Any anybody putting their hand up? Nobody likes to clean their house. I mean, some people might, uh, you know, free for those that do, God love you, right? Like I don't, it's time. And I feel like that's time I'm not gonna get back if I'm cleaning my house. But there is this piece of when the house is fully reset and cleaned and back to like its perfect form, there is a a nice, relaxing environment that you get to enjoy, right? Until the kids come in and whirlwind it again. But but there is, there's a mental clarity. There's actually not just the physical aspect of your space, there's uh the decluttering that can happen. And then you're not thinking about all these extra burdens, extra obligations that you've put on yourself because you've taken the time to sort of clear out some of that, right? So yeah, it's good. Let's get to our next tip. Uh, this one's super important and it's seek support, meaning don't be afraid to ask for help or potentially, depending on your role and what it is, delegating the task away to somebody else when it's needed. For me, that's huge. That does a couple different things. It clears your plate so you can actually take on maybe more of the meaningful things that sort of invigorate you and give you that energy. But also inadvertently, it builds trust with others because they see you as somebody who's now letting them into your space, right? Whether it's professional or personal. They're seeing you put your guard down and offering them a hand to support you. More often than not, when you're in any sort of capacity, it's often you helping others. But often we don't see that somebody else grows when they can actually help and support you in whatever it is that you need help with, right?

SPEAKER_00 24:50

Yeah, I think a lot of people confuse obligations with things that they personally have to do, versus if you're obligated to do something, really the main thing is that you have to ensure it gets done. And asking for help, while it can be tricky depending on what the obligation is, if you have friends, family, loved ones around you, I can assure you, in most cases, if they're genuine relationships, people want to help you with your obligations. They actually find value and it strengthens your bonds and your relationships with people. Now, I'm not saying you need to delegate every single responsibility you have in life, but by finding that balance of at times recognizing when you need a moment and you need a little bit of a boost or you need a bit of help. And, you know, for me, there's lots of times, like, you know, when I think of some of the obligations that I've had, for example, having to go to work every day and maybe at times feeling like, okay, I'm not sure that this is what's motivating me today and this is what I'm really excited to be doing today. And the help that I needed was, you know, having somebody in the trenches with me. And that really motivated me. And while I was obligated to go to work, I had a really good time because I had somebody there with me and I had fun doing it with them. And it's like, if you're going to do something unpleasant, at least do it with somebody that you like. And it becomes already a little bit more bearable. Um, and so asking for help, I love that. The next one I think kind of ties into that, which is practice self-compassion. You have to really be kind to yourself during this process, especially when you're facing difficult obligations and commitments, especially ones that were unexpected and that you didn't really see coming. Yeah. Um, life changes quickly. Um, there's a lot of things that can happen in your life, uh, changes in the world, changes in your environment, changes in your health, changes in your family's health that can really shift your day-to-day overnight. And I think it's very important to give yourself the time, the space, the compassion, the self-love to navigate that and not kind of put this deadline or timer or, you know, hey, I've just got to get over this quickly and just move on with my day. But really allow yourself the opportunity to feel through it. And it's not, like I said, an instantaneous change in mindset, but it's more gradual where over time you may really dislike doing something. And then over time you start to find joy in that thing. And so just be really kind to yourself while you're navigating this.

SPEAKER_01 27:12

Listening to you, I think of limits, right? Know your absolute limits for sure, but know your limits where you know your energy's depleting. And for me, that's a big one, right? It's, you know, I had a conversation with somebody more recently, and they just they said, I just thought you could take on anything, right? You're so calm, cool, and collected. And in that environment, they're like, Yeah, we just kept piling it on you and not realizing that at some point that human being is probably just gonna burn out. And for me, I I think when when you know you you talk about this self-compassion thing, it's knowing your your energy depletion levels and knowing when they happen and how they happen and sort of pulling back. So then you stay strong in your commitments, um, but then you can let go of those obligations in some sense, right?

SPEAKER_00 28:03

Totally. And that brings us to our final tip.

SPEAKER_01 28:07

Final tip. Focus on purpose. When you understand the why behind your commitments, they become more meaningful and fulfilling. Uh I can talk about the why topic probably for a good hour, but to make it simple, I think for all of us, when we know a deeper understanding of why we're doing something, it just makes it easier to follow through. You know, we we talk about what you need to do, right? And then there's this theory that's out there, and I I'm not gonna mention it, but I'm gonna describe it. And for those of you that know it, you'll figure it out, right? You can start with a what, talk about maybe a how to do it. Um, but more often than not, you'll never hear the why you should do it. And that creates resistance, right? Hey Dev, um, this is what you should do today, right? And I might share with you this is how you should do it today. At some point, maybe down the road, I might or might not share why you should do it. And on that approach, your commitment turns into an obligation because I've been told what to do and how to do it. So I'm now obligated to do this thing. And for me, this is so important to focus on the purpose of why you should do something, because why I'm doing it gives you the full narrative of the picture, right? And the why also allows you to have some control and agency in it and allow you to figure out how you should do that why. And then that allows you to maybe collaborate differently, to maybe ask more questions for clarity. Um, and then ultimately you may not even need to figure out the what to do because somebody else might figure it out because you're staying true to the why. Do you have any thoughts on that?

SPEAKER_00 29:47

Honestly, I completely agree. I think one thing you have to really commit to is ensuring you seek out the why, even if it's not given to you. A lot of people just kind of settle. They don't want to ask further clarity or seek further clarity when they're maybe having trouble understanding why they need to do something. And I think the moment you figure out the why behind something, you then have a really important decision to make as to whether or not you're committed to why that thing is or why that thing isn't. And that commitment, I think, is a very defining characteristic in really shifting and managing your obligation, where you may not be fully bought into why you may need to do something. But then again, from our tips earlier, it's okay, can you seek support or can you reframe it or can you set a great boundary so that even though you're not fully committed to the why, you at least understand it and you can find your own purpose inside of that why, which may not be the thing that everyone else finds purpose in, which I think is a really, really important of reframing your mindset in this area.

SPEAKER_01 30:51

Yeah, that's great. Awesome.

SPEAKER_00 30:54

So, with that, thank you for listening to today's episode and today's conversation. Um, before we head out uh and we see you next week, uh, we wanted to end our show with um this week's motivational minute. Um, and so I've been thinking about this week's motivational minute uh for a while. Uh, and I put together just a little quick thing that's been on my mind uh as we think about obligations and commitments, and um I wanted to read it for you. These are the good old days. One of the most bittersweet truths about life is this. These are the good old days. We often look back at moments, playing with friends at recess, laughing at dinner tables with family, fighting with your sibling, and realize just how golden those times were. But the tricky part is, when you're living through them, they feel ordinary. You don't realize a moment is special until it becomes a memory. So today, right now, pause. Look around you. Feel the laughter, the chaos, the love, even the mess. Because one day, you'll look back and say, wow, those were the good old days. And the truth is, you're in them right now. We will see you next week. Thank you so much for joining us. Take care.

SPEAKER_01 32:17

Take care.