Quitting Is Always An Option

Quitting gets a bad reputation, but Dev and Roger are here to change that. In this episode, the two go head-to-head in a candid debate about one of life's most underrated decisions: knowing when to walk away. From burnout and toxic environments to lack of fulfillment and missed opportunities, Roger makes the case for why quitting can be an act of courage, self-respect, and wisdom. But Dev isn't letting him off easy. With sharp counterpoints on perseverance, emotional timing, the ripple effect your decisions have on others, and the danger of carrying unresolved patterns into new situations, Dev challenges listeners to ask harder questions before throwing in the towel — including whether the problem is the situation, or the mirror.

What makes this episode so real is that neither host pretends to have a clean answer. Instead, they give you something better: a framework. Whether you're wrestling with a relationship, a career, a friendship, or a goal that no longer feels like yours, Dev and Roger help you slow down, get honest with yourself, and figure out which side of the coin you're actually standing on. Because quitting might always be an option — but doing it with clarity, intention, and self-awareness? That's the part nobody talks about enough.

In this episode they break down:

• The real difference between quitting and strategic redirection
• Why opportunity cost should factor into every major life decision
• How self-awareness and realistic expectations shape the choice to stay or go
• The ripple effect your persistence (or your exit) has on the people watching you
• The key questions to ask yourself when you're stuck between pushing forward and walking away

This isn't a conversation that hands you a tidy answer, because life doesn't work that way. It's a framework for thinking more clearly when you're in the thick of it, so you can make a decision you can actually stand behind. Whether you're weighing a career move, a relationship, a project, or a goal that no longer feels like yours — this episode is for you.

Quitting is always an option. The question is whether it's the right one.

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Transcript

SPEAKER_01 0:00

Welcome to See Through, a podcast designed to do one simple thing. Change your outlook on something you experience every day. Everything is on the table. There isn't a conversation we aren't willing to explore. From career to finances, policies, art, relationships, even culture.

SPEAKER_00 0:19

When was the last time you changed your mind on something? The fact that you're taking the time to listen to our show tells me that you are willing, which is the first step. Come on this journey with us every week where we discuss and see through topics that matter to you from our perspectives. I'm not saying we have all the answers, but we are willing to ask the tough questions. Today in our discussion, we're going to talk about how you know when it's time to stop doing something and to quit. While they may not always be the best option, and sometimes it requires careful consideration, it is ultimately a choice that is available to anyone in any situation. The key is to understand the potential consequences of quitting and to make an informed decision based on your individual circumstances. Today, we are going to give you two opposite perspectives that might help you shape your decisions based on some simple questions to ask yourself.

SPEAKER_01 1:19

All right. Well, we'll see you on the other side. Or should I say debate, I guess. We're going to debate a little bit more today. Um, because I honestly wish someone talked to me more about quitting earlier in my life, or at least when to consider when it's time to quit. Um, and so as you shared earlier, there's a lot of things that we need to consider before we make that decision. And so I thought it'd be good if maybe we go back and forth on when it makes sense to sometimes make that decision, but also when it sometimes doesn't make sense to do that. Because I think quitting, there's such a balancing act of when it's time to push further and when it's time to give up. And I know for me, I grew up in this mentality at all times that you always have to push through. Like there's never a chance that you should ever give yourself to stop doing something, which cannot always be the healthiest. So I'm really excited for today's topic. So, where do you want to get things started?

SPEAKER_00 2:28

As you, I'm super excited to debate out sort of the decision to end something versus persevering through. Much like you, throughout my life, I've been taught that word perseverance was always at the forefront to always persevere through something, to give a little bit more. Maybe you've just fallen out of love with this thing. Can you find it, you know, doing the same things over and over again? Can you recommit to it? So I'm super excited as well. Um, are you ready to get into the sort of the heat of the topic?

SPEAKER_01 2:57

All right. So I guess like where should we start? I guess maybe what are some reasons people I think it should be validated and maybe situations people may be in that they should quit? And then I can maybe share a bit of a countering perspective because I believe there's always two sides to this situation. And I think it's important that you reflect to figure out where you're which side you're on, depending on whatever the context of the situation is you're in.

SPEAKER_00 3:18

So for me, I think the first reason if somebody's considering quitting and walking away from something is burnout. Right. If you feel constantly overwhelmed, stressed, or unhappy in your current situation, then quitting might be necessary to protect your mental and physical health. You know, from an earlier topic, when things start to feel more like obligations versus commitments, I think then you're starting to walk that fine line of is this going to start giving me what I want out of it? Or is the effort just not, it's not giving me what I want in return, right? So I'm sure a lot of us have gone through this, whether it be in a in a workplace environment, whether it's in a relationship, maybe it's in a family dynamic, maybe it's where you're currently living or residing in a city. You know, the job market might not be good there. And you might have to make a decision that I have to uproot myself and go somewhere else where there might be a little bit more fruitful for opportunities, right?

SPEAKER_01 4:16

Yeah, I think that's a really good point. Of course, burnout for me almost feels like if you hit that point, you almost like missed the point before you could quit. But now this is kind of your final like warning sign that you better change something because this is kind of not serving you the way that you would want it to. But I I would say the only counter that I would say to burning out, which of course is a very extreme kind of outcome, is also considering whether it's just a moment in time or if this is just something that you're always going to be experiencing. Right. And so I find that if you're feeling burnt out in a moment in time, I think that's natural. There are moments in life that feel a bit overwhelming and that can get to you. And sometimes lots of life is happening to you all at the same time. But in the heat of that moment, I don't think you should make a big decision like quitting to do something, especially if it's like your career or maybe a relationship or something that you're focused on, like your health or wellness. Because making a decision when you're at the most heightened emotional state, I find, is usually not the best kind of mindset to be in. And so if you're gonna quit because of burnout, all that I would say is try and make that decision when you're not feeling burnt out. Because I think then you've got the most clarity. And at least you know you're not just tired, but you're actually feeling a bit overwhelmed. And making that decision when you're actually well rested and maybe getting a moment of peace allows you to make that decision in a much more, I think, fulfilling way. Whereas if you just did it in the heat of the moment, you may regret it. You may not, but in more cases than not, you may regret it if it was just, in fact, a moment in time.

SPEAKER_00 5:55

My second argument of why it might be a good time to quit is if you find yourself in a toxic environment, right? So maybe you are in a toxic or an abusive environment relationship. Um, could be job, it could be a partnership, it could be, you know, home front and any other situation. And then what you've really done is you've come to this point in this pivotal moment that quitting is often the healthiest and safest option for yourself. Obviously, if there's, you know, you know, like your safety's at risk, I think you take the appropriate channels, right? You take the appropriate channels to get the right support and um and you know, advice and or uh intervention is probably the right word that's required for those um harmful situations. But we're talking more of a toxic environment, really from a work perspective, or maybe it's a it's a dynamic in a relationship, a partnership where things are just not healthy from a mental emotional standpoint. And making a decision to walk away for your own sanity and for your own well-being. So then, you know, I'm not saying you run from all your issues, but I I do think you have to make an educated decision at some point when things are no longer serving you or feeling like they're they're in a healthy place, that it's okay to walk away.

SPEAKER_01 7:19

This is a tough one, I think, to counter because I am very much of the proponent that if you're in an environment or in a situation that you have the ability to change, and in most cases you do with the right amount of work, you should change it. But when I think of when it makes sense to not make that decision or to not quit, the only thing or the only food for thought I can share just from my own experiences is sometimes things do have to get better, or sorry, sometimes things have to get worse before they get better. Um, and I even think of like, to use a very crude example, like when you're sick, usually like that third or fourth day of sickness feels the worst before you immediately start to feel better. And so I guess all I would say to counteract that is if you're in a toxic environment, I think understanding what makes it toxic is an important thing to consider before you quit. Because if that's something that you just haven't dealt with, then in fact you're kind of running away from that problem. And that's just gonna reprise itself in a future situation. So if we take work as an example, if you feel like it's toxic because you don't like your colleagues or you don't like your, your, your boss, or you don't like the expectations of your organizations, hey, that's totally fine. You're entitled to that. That could maybe make you feel terrible. But if you go to another organization and feel the exact same way, well, then you're not really, you're kind of to your point, I think if you're quitting, you're not actually doing it in a productive way. You're doing it in more of an avoidance way. So I would counter the toxic argument with making sure the thing that's toxic is something that is truly something that you shouldn't expect. So, especially in a partner, or, you know, like you'd mentioned, if it's anything to do with your safety, get out of that situation, quit that 100% of the time. But if it's something to deal with just a circumstance, you just have to ask yourself, is this toxic because I can't deal with it? Or is this toxic because I shouldn't have to deal with it? And I think that's a really important distinction before you throw in the towel.

SPEAKER_00 9:23

Good argument. Point number three of why it might be the right decision to walk away and quit when there's a lack of fulfillment. If you are consistently feeling unfulfilled or like you are not growing or learning, then quitting to pursue something more aligned with your values and goals might be the right choice, right? And think of your own life's journeys. And if I reflect back and I think of myself in my 20s versus my 30s versus my 40s, and now I'm into my 50s, I am a slightly different version of myself, right? I'm constantly growing and changing. Well, with that, even though my core values may remain the same, my overall value system is modifying and changing based on my life circumstances, based on the trials and tribulations I've been through, based on what I've seen others go through now being a dad and what I hope the future holds for my children. I think my values have started to change. Some places I've dug my heels in deeper on those values, and other places I've learned to let go of some of those things and modify those based on the things I'm learning. So at that point, I think, you know, if we bring it back into a work or into a relationship dynamic where values may have aligned at the beginning or at the start of this relationship, things may evolve now where your values don't overlap anymore. So when I think of the toxic environment that we just spoke of, well, layering on top of that would be this fulfillment piece where my values and goals may no longer align with where I am. And I need to now walk away for me. Maybe go explore other things that can give me those things I'm looking for, but more importantly, to make a decision so that I don't feel like I'm doing something out of an obligation.

SPEAKER_01 11:21

Really well said. I think one of the things that I've learned the most growing up is you also change as a human as you go through the various seasons of life. And so if you aren't willing to let go of those things that no longer fulfill you, then you kind of become a prisoner to always being around the same circumstances or the same situations. So I do think while it may be difficult, quitting in those moments is the best outcome because it actually allows you to then completely get to that next stage of life or get to that kind of person that you want to be. The only counter that I would say to that fulfillment is it's really important that you for yourself can answer the question: did I give it my all? Did I do the best that I possibly could before I feel like I'm not getting the fulfillment that I require out of this circumstance or situation? And the reason I say that is nothing that's worth doing is ever gonna be perfect on your first try or your first several tries. And so if you're feeling not fulfilled, I think you have to find your own limit in how much time, energy are you willing to put into something before you then say that fulfillment is not being achieved. So, in the purpose of a relationship, you know, let's say you're trying to build a friendship or any kind of relationship with someone, if let's say, you know, after the first two conversations, you're feeling like that's not going the direction that you want, okay, well, in my opinion, that feels like a really short time to then say this is not fulfilling. But if you feel like, okay, I've given, I would say, more than what I would normally give in this type of situation and I'm not getting what I need in return, well, then the best thing and the most respectful thing you can do in yourself for yourself in that moment is to walk away, even though it can feel difficult once you've already put in a lot of energy and information. And that's my other counter argument, which is sometimes once you've kind of put a lot of yourself into something, it can be difficult to then pull yourself out of something. And so I think it's also important to consider the risks of what would you be losing if you, for example, weren't able to recoup the things and the time and the energy that you put in. And in which case that comes back to a different conversation, totally a totally different topic, which is how do you kind of accept things for what they are instead of maybe always trying to kind of force your own kind of reality? And that's a very delicate subject in and of itself. But I do agree that if you're not feeling that sense of purpose or that sense of fulfillment, you need to really ask yourself, why did you get to this space? Is it because you've grown out of it, or is it because you haven't put enough into it before you make that decision?

SPEAKER_00 14:00

For sure. You know, as you're talking, and it's sort of naturally flowing into my next point. But I think of the word investment. Yeah. Right. And sometimes you do have to walk away from your investments so you don't continue to lose and just, you know, call it for what it is.

SPEAKER_01 14:18

Yeah. And everyone makes bad investments. Absolutely. I think nobody, I don't think we talk enough about the bad investments that we make because people only ever talk about the ones that work out. Yeah. We could maybe do a whole episode on all the the worst investments are that we've made emotionally, physically, financially. Yeah. Because there's so much. We all do it. So we have to normalize that.

SPEAKER_00 14:36

So that leads me to my my final point on when is it the right time just to walk away and quit? And that's when there's an opportunity cost, right? Sometimes continuing in a situation that's not serving you, well, that takes away other opportunities to pursue and potentially see something or be offered something better. So if you're stuck in a cycle of negativity or stagnation, quitting can open up space for new possibilities, right? And when you put your ear to the ground and maybe you've got friends and family that have talked about them leaving one place of employment and moving to another, they've maybe been promoted or they were looking for a monetary sort of advantage and they got that from moving from one situation to the next. I also think in relationships, you know, I think of friendships where maybe one of you has outgrown the relationship and now it's time to separate because it's no longer serving you in a positive way. I also think people come into our lives at certain points, not all the time, but you know, often to serve you in some sort of capacity. And to be able to sort of remove yourself out of situations to allow new situations to happen and occur can actually open your eyes and make you sort of see things from a different light. You know, one of the things in opportunity cost is talking about that cycle of negativity or stagnation. Well, maybe this other possibility will make you uncomfortable, force you to grow, and also bring opportunities that you didn't even see you were capable of. And I think that for me is a big piece when I think of opportunity cost of knowing when to walk away, is when you start to see maybe your growth cycle slow, it might be time now to start looking at something else that can feed and propel where you possibly may never even noticed or thought of going.

SPEAKER_01 16:31

Yeah, really well said. I think as you reflect on that and what Roger just shared, I think is really important for you to kind of think about and kind of see through your own perspective on that and what your take is on that. I think one of the things that really resonated with me is do you have realistic expectations and are you self-aware enough to know what those are? And so before you make the decision to maybe quit because of the opportunity uh cost or, you know, the relationship or the situation not serving you, I think being really realistic about your own abilities and what your capabilities are, I think is also a really important thing to consider. Because if you don't, you could always get perpetually stuck in this feeling like there's always more and there's always extra things that you can be going after, where ultimately you could have already achieved the success that potentially you're capable of achieving. And that doesn't mean, you know, I know we always have these like motivational speakers that say you can do anything and you're always capable of anything. And that's true, but everything has a limit. Everything physical has a finite limit. We all have a finite amount of time, we all have a finite amount of capabilities. And so if you're looking at a situation and going, okay, what more can this do for me, or what more can I get from this? You also have to counterbalance that with is it even possible for me to get more out of this? Is this even possible for me to get any more than what I'm already getting? And so, like for me, a great example of that is anytime you're in a situation where you feel like the grass is greener on the other side. But sometimes the grass is just greener where you water it. And so you can quit and maybe go and get new grass, or maybe your grass is as green as it possibly can be. And there's only a limit of how green grass can get. And as much as you want it to be greener and you want it to be bigger, it's that's it. That's its limitation. And I would say my only counter to that is if you're gonna quit, just be really realistic with yourself on are you are you actually quitting because you actually think there's something better, or you're just still unhappy and there's maybe something deeper there that you have to address. And it's not just the situation, but maybe you're projecting yourself on that situation.

SPEAKER_00 18:41

Yeah, you know, I love that counterpoint. Sometimes we're constantly looking outwards when you actually have to look inwards to see if that's where the grass is not so green. Um, and really take the opportunity to start watering and nurturing it at that level, right? Before you make a decision.

SPEAKER_01 18:57

Yeah, I've seen so many friends that have told me they're gonna quit a relationship or they're gonna quit um a job because they believe there's something better for them out there. Yeah. I'm gonna ask them, okay, well, what is it that you're missing right now? And what is it that you're looking for so that you know I can support you and I can help you find those things so you're you're more fulfilled. And it's interesting because their answer is what they already have, but they just think there's a more enhanced version of the things that they already have instead of accepting that actually you're kind of experiencing exactly what it is you're looking for. You're just delusional in thinking that there's a more enhanced version of what you already got. And it's it's a really hard thing, but again, being self-aware is super critical in that moment.

SPEAKER_00 19:37

Yeah, I love that. Well, that sort of brings us to the debate portion of is quitting an option, and in some cases, it's always an option. Um, so after a short break, I think we can come back and talk about some of our key takeaways. Perfect. Welcome back, everyone. And thank you for listening in on today's episode and sort of hearing Dev and I debate out quitting is always an option. And before we get into some tips that we can um sort of focus on or practice through, what we do want to leave you with is a couple key takeaways. That quitting is always an option, but it's important to weigh the pros and cons before making any decision. And consider the potential consequences of quitting, both positive and negative. If you are considering quitting something, seek advice from trusted friends, family members, or even mentors. And ultimately, the decision to quit is personal. It should be made in alignment with your own values and goals. And I, you know, I can't stress that enough. Who you are in any given moment could be changing and evolving. And if the place or the environment you're in is no longer aligned to those values and goals, it can definitely become challenging to stay there. Okay, so why don't we move along and let's get into some of our tips. Tip number one on why it might be okay to quit or leave is you're no longer aligned with it. And to my point around values and goals, you know, where it might have felt meaningful or exciting, it's now feeling forced. People evolve, situations evolve, and it's okay if your passions and goals do as well. And sometimes when things aren't aligned, it's okay to walk away.

SPEAKER_01 21:33

And to that point, there's also some reasons why you shouldn't quit that also I think are important to consider and maybe is something that you should ask yourself before you make this really important decision. And so, my first tip is you're building a track record of commitment. So every time you follow through on something, you strengthen your confidence and your identity as someone who finishes what they start. And so if something is not aligned with you anymore, You have to ask yourself, have I grown out of that? Or was I never aligned from the beginning? And you should be maybe more careful in what you commit to because again, you're building that track record of commitment, which is super powerful.

SPEAKER_00 22:12

Tip number two on why quitting is always an option. You're sacrificing too much for too little. So if the emotional, mental, or physical toll outweighs the reward, it's not quitting, it's choosing peace. And to walk away sometimes is the right decision. The walking away component can let you slow down, reevaluate what got you to the place you're in and what might you need now to get you out of the place you're in to become a better version of yourself. So always weigh out the pros and the cons, as we mentioned before, but also look at where you are when you think of your emotional, mental, and physical sort of status. And if the piece that you're in is taking too much and it's not giving anything back in return, this might be the right time to walk away.

SPEAKER_01 23:01

And my second tip is adversity is often a sign that you're on the right path. And so resistance in a lot of those areas, whether it be emotional, mental, physical, financial, are gonna show up when you're doing something really meaningful. And that's not necessarily a signal to stop, but sometimes to push forward. Now, what I would counterbalance that with is there's always a limit to everything. And so asking yourself what your limits are and playing within your limits, I think are very important things to do before you even make the decision to start. But again, you have to expect some level of resistance when you're doing something, especially if it's something that's not easy to do. And so before you quit, you have to ask yourself, are these just the price of admission things that I just have to be okay with? Or is this something beyond that? And at that point, you know, quitting is totally okay.

SPEAKER_00 23:53

Tip number three to why quitting is always an option. It's when it's blocking better opportunities. Holding on to something just because you started it might be keeping you from saying yes to something even better. And we've probably heard this and have seen this play out in our personal lives, our professional lives, where you've said no and wouldn't you know it before time has passed, something better comes along the way. I know personal friends, family members who've walked away from situations only to land themselves in better opportunities. And sometimes, as it states, when you're in it, it's hard to see what's possible. And you don't get to see what's possible unless you remove yourself out of that situation.

SPEAKER_01 24:41

This is a hard one to counterbalance because I really, really agree with everything that you just said. Sometimes you have to make the space in your life for things to come into it. Um, and sometimes that requires you to stop doing things that are no longer serving you. But the one thing that I've also learned in my tip, uh, my third tip, sorry, I should say, on why you shouldn't quit is a lot of the times you're impacting others with your persistence. And the consistency that you're showing in your personal life, your work life, your family life, often is inspiring someone that's watching you a sibling, a coworker, a colleague, a child, if you're a parent. And your effort, whether you realize it or not, does have a ripple effect. And so recognizing the weight and the responsibility that you have, even if you don't feel like you do, I think is an important thing to consider before you quit because somebody may be counting on you, but more importantly, somebody may be using you as motivation and as inspiration on why they should keep going. And so for me, I think if you think you're insignificant and the things and the decisions that you make don't matter, I'm the first person that's going to tell you that cannot be more untrue. So you have to also feel that level of weight when you're making the decision to quit, if that's still something that you want to do.

SPEAKER_00 25:57

You know, if I was thinking back and I was really sort of looking forward to what your rebuttal was going to be there, because I know, you know, we're both aligned with, hey, you don't know what's coming around the corner, and maybe making space for that thing is the right thing in that moment. But I really love your counter. I have this simple analogy before we get to the final tips is if you envision whatever environment you're in, that's your pond, right? So it could be a workplace environment, it could be your family dynamic while you're in your pond. And in this pond, every single one of us are in our own individual boats, right? And I've always prefaced and sort of sort of given this vision of you can move along within the pond as fast as you want, as long as you're not creating big wake and disrupting all the other boats within that pond. So when you sort of counter that with what is my impact on others, for me, that's sort of the visual I have is if it's a positive impact on others, you're moving at a pace where you're not rocking other people's boats and you're allowing them to also have a fruitful, fulfilling journey alongside you. So that's a that's a really good argument.

SPEAKER_01 27:06

Great analogy. All right. Uh what are our final tips?

SPEAKER_00 27:09

Tip number four to why quitting is always an option. It's when you have to stay somewhere, but ultimately that would mean you're compromising your integrity. If continuing forces you to be someone you're not or act against your own values, quitting is a powerful act of self-respect. And for me, this is a pretty powerful statement. And I think a lot of us maybe don't look at walking away from something as a moment of respecting yourself. We often categorize my action is going to have a reaction in someone else's world. And we over-emphasize on that other reaction, and we don't even sometimes look in the mirror to see how is this impacting me. So for me, the whole idea of maybe walking away from something is actually an act of self-respect, is very powerful. When you're finding you're not grounded anymore, when you're finding you're having to swim upstream and nothing feels natural, I think in those moments you have to take stock of what it is that's happening around you and if it's actually even worth. You know, they say, is the juice worth the squeeze? And that sort of is my perspective on your integrity.

SPEAKER_01 28:27

Yeah, it's a really great tip. Um, and I think it's a powerful one. It is an act of self-respect for sure. For me, I would just counter that in my final tip on why you shouldn't quit or something to consider before you decide to quit, is you might just need to adjust, not abandon. And sometimes the answer isn't quitting, it's refining maybe your approach, your pace, or even your expectations of a situation. Now, integrity, when you think of that, I always come back to is something always going to be this way, or is that something that is very unexpected? If it's unexpected, it makes sense for you to walk away as difficult as it may be. But if it's something that maybe you need to temper your expectations around, or you maybe now need to make some bigger decisions on how you want to maybe live your life and how you want to prioritize things in your life based on what situation you happen to be in, I think that's a really important consideration. And the example that I would use is I remember I had a friend who, you know, was very, I think, negative about working at corporations. And so they had shared a lot of their personal beliefs and their viewpoints around how they felt like the world should operate and how they felt like the world should function. And I actually agreed with most of their, you know, opinions and perspectives on those subjects. And what was really interesting to me is it was almost cyclical. They would join the company, they'd be really excited about their mission, their values, their ethos. And then when I caught up with them six to 12 months later, they were super not sold because they felt like those things competed with their integrity, because every company is focused on making money, no matter how, you know, great they seem they are. And so what was interesting is he always quit his job and then found a new job because he felt like, to your point, it didn't align with his integrity and his values. And for me, as an outside perspective, after the third or fourth job he had, I had a great conversation with him where I just felt like he had to kind of reset his expectations or make a fundamental different decision to not work for a company.

SPEAKER_00 30:31

Right.

SPEAKER_01 30:31

And it's like these are your two options. And of course, by making that second decision, it would have been difficult financially and it would have been difficult to, you know, make ends meet. But if you felt so compelled that this is what was preventing you from being your most authentic self and graduating at these organizations and achieving your dreams, well, then again, you can quit. I support your decision, but then you also now have to make a different decision if that's the reason you're quitting. And so I will always tell someone to protect their integrity. But if you're that convicted about your feelings, then you also then have to live through those feelings and not just continuously make the same decisions over and over again.

SPEAKER_00 31:09

Yeah, well said, right? I think at some point you have to make a decision. Is it you or is it everything around you? Totally. Right. So well, listen, everyone, thank you for listening. I I think, you know, you sort of heard two sides of the coin. We've debated out when is it the right decision to walk away and potentially when is it not the right decision to walk away. And hopefully all of you took a little something from that sort of um the debate going back and forth. With that, I want to say thank you, as always, taking the time to listen to us in your busy days. Hopefully, you enjoyed your commute. Maybe you're sitting somewhere enjoying a nice cold beverage or a cup of coffee. Uh, maybe you're working out and you just wanted to hear two random guys talk about stuff. So thanks again.

SPEAKER_01 31:53

Thanks. We'll see you next week. Have a great week. Bye bye.