A Royal Goose and An Oozlefinch

On life, psychology and contracting.

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SPEAKER_02 0:00

Hello and welcome back to the Royal House of Goose. Today we're on with another buddy of mine. We'll go by Oozelfinch for purposes. Well, if you know, you know. If you don't, fuck off. All right. So today we're going to be talking about a little bit of everything. Mr. Oozel has a hell of a background from taking the initiative to heading up his own lawnbowing business at 13 and opening his eyes to landscaping and networking bright and early, all the way to standard human life, busing tables, chicken, the chicken filet mascot. I can't imagine it was anything short of hot as shit in there. And then all the really fun stuff starts. You know, we've got a little bit of psychology, education, teaching. We've got all these tremendous uh contract negotiation skill sets. Mr. Ozel, would you care to jump in and just throw out some of your most uh I guess useful tips for your myriad of field?

SPEAKER_00 0:56

Yeah, absolutely. So I'll go ahead and uh I'll give you a little bit of a trade secret secret, excuse me, with the cow suit uh for Chick-fil-A. So if you find me up on national headlines where I've been eliminated and my mouth is stuffed full of uh chicken nuggets, you know what happened to me, but I think it'll come to that. So inside the Chick-fil-A cow costume itself, they actually are supposed to have a couple of different devices in there to help keep the mascot cool. There is a fan that's actually installed in the cow's head inside that's supposed to have a battery pack that sits there and just blows air on the mascot operator. And then in addition to that, too, there is supposed to be a weighted vest that is filled with ice packs. Now, the look of this thing is very, very similar to that of what you would normally identify as perhaps an older plate carrier, but the vest is more in line with the design of something that you would see out of a movie from the Vietnam era, right? So there's there's cutoff sleeves, and the entirety of this thing is supposed to be sewn in with like ice packs. So it's supposed to keep the operator cool during the operation process. However, my store specifically couldn't locate the battery and they didn't freeze the vest. So out in the Texas heat, let me tell you, it was a test of endurance.

SPEAKER_02 2:16

I don't, I don't envy you that. But I'm I'm deeply fascinated here, namely with the the the back end of your line of work because you've been in you you told me medical contracting, mass communication, education, psychology. Is that thing true about when when you worked at the the wards? Is that thing about midnight true with the new moon and the full moon where they all just go batshit crazy?

SPEAKER_00 2:38

So I will tell you that I I can't I can't provide me kind of empirical data with that, but I will I will say that there were nights that happened frequently but infrequently, you know, and I let me clarify that it happened on probably uh a monthly basis at the very least. I don't know if it necessarily coincided with full moon or whatnot, but third shift in the the facility that I was working in always had some of the weirdest stories. Uh, there was one night, I will tell you this, and uh it's it's a little bit unbelievable. I don't know if it was simply exhaustion that triggered this experience. It may have very well been a real thing, but the each one of the patients, if we will, was depending on their age as well as their gender, were stationed in a different what they call pod. Now, this pod had a main, you know, living area, a common area, if you will. And then off of that common area branched out each one of the rooms. Now, depending on the functionality of the patient, they may or may not have been allowed to have a roommate, depending on how well they played with uh how well they played with others, their level of psychosis, any number of things, any number of variables that factored into that. Now, the reason why this is important is because where in the way these pods were set up during the overnight shift, the there was only one point of entry and exit to these pods, and that's where one of the psychiatric technicians sat, and that was what they uh that's what they called us, or psychiatric care assistant, or you know, whatever the case may be. Uh, I don't remember the title, but it's essentially where the the the employees sat to kind of watch over everything. Because in some cases, too, you did have patients that would sleep in the common area because they were on a high suicide watch. And so you kind of had to make sure they didn't try to draw their life to a conclusion in the middle of the night, because that was a thing. But the overall point of me laying out that that description is that while there were three main pods and we had one, we had one senior most primary care specialist sitting back behind us at kind of a control point that could see all three pods, everybody that was in that building that was supposed to be in that building was within eyesight of one of the employees. And so there would have been no way for any one of the patients uh to be back behind us or leave their pod without us knowing. And the reason why this is important is that the way this thing was laid out is that back behind or off to the left or behind and to the right of the employees, depending on where you were sitting, you could walk around a hallway and there was a cafeteria where we would take the patients to go eat three times a day. Now, the kitchen was closed off and locked under lock and key, under through I only accessible by the senior primary care physician or excuse me, uh care staff, or the kitchen staff themselves. So there's no other way to actually get in there if you didn't have a key. And the the cafeteria was set up and deconstructed before and after every meal. Uh, we would have the patients help out because it just gave them a sense of you know developing that sense of independence to clean up after themselves, if you will. And we'd always stack the chairs off to one side. Well, nobody was allowed in the kitchen area during night. And I swear to you, one night I say all this to say this to eliminate as many, you know, questionable variables as I possibly can. So in the middle of the night, we hear what sounds like a little girl giggling down the hallway, which is very weird because all the girls are in their own pod and and none of them are awake. And shortly after that, and it catches the attention of all the staff that are there. Not even kidding, this is probably like two or three o'clock in the morning. And we heard, you know, what sounded like footsteps in the kitchen, which was weird because the kitchen staff was not to be expected for another, you know, two and a half hours, right? And we're kind of looking at each other because we all heard it, you know, and we were checking with each other to make sure that you know it wasn't just one of us. And then all of a sudden we hear an entire stack of chairs, which sounds like being dragged across the floor. So, me being the new guy, they essentially send me to go look at it. And I'm like, okay, cool. So I chalk it up to exhaustion. I get out there and all the chairs are in the proper place and everything else. And then as I'm walking down that hallway and there's nothing in the kitchen, I'm walking back and out of the corner of my eye down the hallway, I see this uh shadowy figure. I kid you not, almost run the distance of this hallway. And it was like up against the wall. And I turned and it was gone. But we had instances like that where we would hear what sounded like voices or conversations or children laughing in isolation rooms. If we had a patient become suicidal, we had these rooms that would be used for isolation and protection purposes for themselves and the other uh patients. And we would hear stuff like this all the time, and we would go to investigate because it was our job, and there would be nothing there. And so it it only ever seemed to happen around night shift. We can't really explain it, but uh, yeah, we had stuff like that happen on a pretty pretty much a regular basis.

unknown 8:14

Huh.

SPEAKER_02 8:15

Makes you wonder if the people who were, you know, muttering and crazy and schizophrenic getting all these inputs that they couldn't control and set time. And it makes you wonder if they saw Sensat Ship 24-7.

SPEAKER_00 8:28

Well, and and the the weird part about it is too is that prior to us hearing this giggling, the uh we did have a patient that was in the pod that I was watching that night. A young man had unfortunately had a history of schizophrenia and hallucinations, both visually and auditorially, as it was reported. And so he was sleeping on a on an empty mattress with a single blanket, a pillow for safety reasons by the front door where I could immediately just kind of look over my desk where I was I was doing chart notes and I could see him. And when this kid slept, like he slept, he was just he was out hooked. This one night, I kid you not, and I'm I'm not making this up for story purposes, before we heard this laughing movement in the kitchen, this kid shoots straight up out of bed, sits at a 90-degree angle, looks back behind me, and says, Sir, did you she she's here? I'm like, what are you talking about? He's like, Well, she's she's going to the bathroom. And I was like, I looked over at the girls' pod, and I'm like, I and I I looked at this kid, I was like, we'll we'll take care of it, man. I was like, uh, he's like, well, is she okay? I was like, yeah, yeah, she's fine. Again, you know, didn't really think too much about it. I figured the guy just had a weird dream and woke straight up from it. But it was like he shot straight up in bed and then like turned around and looked directly at me, like dead in the eye. I mean mancies. What's up?

SPEAKER_02 9:48

Are you familiar with the mancies? No, no, you know, the the old divination practices that we've seen across cultures for really ever, even today in some places. I think Romania still has laws against certain types, like uh necromancy, pyromancy, all the mancies. Yeah, you know what I'm talking about, like divining communications.

SPEAKER_00 10:08

I've heard about the practices, I didn't know that's what they were called.

SPEAKER_02 10:11

Yeah, mancy just basically means divination by have you ever heard of uh cresmomancy? No, no, it was a very common practice for the majority of human history. And it's it's interesting to think about this, but effectively what it was is people would sit down with people who were you know schizophrenic or or detached from reality or subpsychotic, right? When they were in these episodes, and they would attempt to divine by the ravings of the insane. I just I think it's a funny thing because there was a book that was written in the late 1800s, and I would encourage you to read this. It was called On the Writings of the Insane, right? Interesting. And uh what they did is they went to a schizophrenic on a very intensive moment. Now you can question the ethics of this practice, but you know, psychology currently follows the writings of a man who shoved cocaine up his ass and wanted to fuck his mother. Hasn't evolved that much since Bat Moments Be Real. Yeah, you're not wrong. But this this psychiatrist or psychology, whatever the hell you want to call them, physically real, if you need to be technical. But he brought this blank canvas and he gave it to the schizophrenic. Well, there wasn't a whole bunch of them. Well, they were in these very deep episodes of psychosis. And he told them, close your eyes and draw what you see. And it was everything was Bible verses, these strange geometric, interlocking patterns, mathematical equations, prophetic shit, like just crazy, multi-dimensional shit. And it really gets interesting because the more you look at it, right? Because they they can't they can't break and and stabilize timelines. That's why they're fucking crazy, right? Because they can't manage the inputs. But yeah, it it's it's wild because if you look at their thoughts, their thought streams in the fixed way of their images, you can almost start to understand how they jump from one end to the other. But of course, by the time you understand that, they're on to the next, you know, mosaic tapestry here. But it's just it's a hell of a study, and I'm somewhat disappointed that they threw it to the side.

SPEAKER_00 12:15

That's it's insane. Some of the no pun intended, but some of the some of the cases that brought some of these kids in, and and especially some of the background on it, it was just like you, and I'm not one to you know dive too much into the emotional thing and give people a pass based on their background, but it was like it was very hard not to feel for some of the strength and the survivability of these kids when you read their chart notes and their patient history, and you're just like, oh my gosh, man, like how has this kid made it this far? Holy crap. I'll give you an example. One one of the patients that we had admitted shortly before I resigned from the position. Uh, he was a young man that lived a little bit more out in the role area. His parents, uh, again, I'm not gonna go into patient names. One for protection, two, I don't remember what the kid's name was, but I do remember reading his patient, his chart notes. And this kid's this kid's history, he was admitted for I want to say it was not necessarily outright pyromania, but he had a fascination with combustibles as well as the very nature, the flammability of objects. And we were like, okay, where did this come? Because you read what they're being admitted for, and then you also read their their patient history and their family history. And unfortunately, when this young man was growing up, his his mom, I believe, had a series of health problems. And he was very close to her, and I think it was something like cancer or something. And he was very close to her. And as she went through treatment, his dad was working as diligent as he as he could to not only provide for his son, but also uh to cover the bills of the uh the medical expenses that were racking up because of his mom's treatment. Well, his mom passed away, and uh he for whatever reason he he retained that image of seeing her on life support and going through chemo. He did not take that loss well. And when it was just him and his dad for a little bit, and I believe if I remember this correctly, this happened to somebody in his family. I I don't remember who it would have been. So for I think for the story purposes, we're gonna say it was his father, because I know his father was removed out of the picture, and then he had to go live with his grandmother, and she was having health issues. But what separated them is that he and his father, he his dad tried to maintain some semblance of normal life with this young man for as long as he could. And they were outside jumping on the trampoline. And unfortunately, unbeknownst to the dad, he I guess there was a misjump or something on the trampoline that had happened, or he had misstepped, or there was a trajectory that the dad didn't account for and he went flying backwards. Well, what he didn't know was that there was a small exposed pipe sticking out of the ground and where this where his dad landed, uh, the pipe actually went through the back of his skull and killed him instantly. And his son saw that. And he he was trying to resuscitate his dad while this this pole was through his head, and it was just like it was it was bad. And so they moved him to go live with his grandmother. And if I remember this chart properly, uh his grandmother was in failing health, and at this point he was just drawn from seeing both of his parents pass away. Uh he and his I think there was a a younger brother that he had too, I don't remember, but trying to take care of his younger brother, console him, and then still trying to make sense of what was going on. He moved school systems and then he was bullied at school, and then mixed in with his his grandmother, you know, having failing health, like he just he started spiraling down quick. And he was admitted because I guess he had reached a breaking point and he tried to commit arson and like burn down his school. And you know, clearly it's not really exactly smiled upon from a societal standpoint, but we would get cases like that on all the time. And some of the insights that some of these young men had could not be explained logically in terms of how they would know certain things, but there was always logical reasoning back behind what they were saying in moments of clarity, if you will. So yeah, it was it was just a very that that specifically, I think that was like the first real job that I had in university, and I I think that was probably the most eye-opening thing I'd ever seen. And there's still today stuff that I can think back on that I I can't, I don't have a logical explanation for anything that I saw there. And some of the stuff that I saw there anyway. It just it doesn't make any sense. And the only thing that I can really commend some of these young men and women on was just the level of strength that I think it took them to actually survive those situations that they did, especially when a lot of the stuff was completely out of their control. So yeah, it's a wild world, man, for sure.

SPEAKER_02 17:12

I uh I want to jump into your your degrees a little bit because you mentioned that your bachelor's was in you said psychology of cognitive excuse me, cognitive development, environmental analytics on individual you said your master's was mass communication in did you say physio uh yeah the focus of the master's uh psycho yeah, so the the research was in the realm of psychophysiology as it was under the umbrella.

SPEAKER_00 17:45

Let loose? Yeah, yeah, yeah. So uh the uh the piece of paper that I got from undergraduate was a bachelor's of arts and science, and uh it was in psychology. Now I say there was more of a concentration in cognitive development and then environmental analytics because while you're going through the pathway of psychology, there is a certain level of freedom that you get to choose with the classes that you take. And so while there were core classes that I had to take to meet the degree, what I always was fascinated with was the learning process and the ability of people to retain information and how they learned. I thought it was fascinating. Because what I found was that the way people learned, and if you could figure that out, you could better communicate with them on how to help them reach their goals, not even necessarily in a clinical sense, right? But in any facet of life. It's probably one of the most tangible skill sets, especially now with so much of our society and business being, you know, based in much more of a technological standpoint. I think that over the course of the last 10 to 12 years, I've noticed a significant decline in the soft skill of being able to relate to one another from an interpersonal standpoint and really refine that level of communication that helps us reach the truest pinnacles of our potential within a society, whether that be in business relationships, whatever else. And I don't mean that in some hippie, esoteric way. I mean, I think that there's a skill set that we have lost over the last 26 years that is it's been traded for technological advancement. And my concern is that it's going to be at the detriment of us as a society much later on down the road. But there's still time to fix it. But that's an environmental analytics, I is really just kind of a fancy way of me saying I liked learning about and and tried to specialize in the things that looked at how environmental factors influenced people's development and their behavior. Because if you could understand that, then you know you could apply that in sales, business, negotiation. Like it was just it was something that you could do. Now, at the time, I thought I was gonna be in a more clinical role, and that's what I was aiming for. And I had found myself inside of a graduate level class, and it was a seminar in psychopathology and clinical psychopathology. And both of these classes not only looked at the development of various psychoses as well as psychopathologies over the course of the entirety of the human life, but the other class actually looked at how to clinically address those. And it was then, and I had already received my bachelor's at this point, and I was I was going back to school for one or two classes that I needed to get into this graduate program at another university. And so when I went to go take this class, I walked into the clinical psychopathology class, and that's when it hit me. I was like, I have no business in this field because I walked in and all of these second-year clinical students had the exact same look on their face. And it was the fact that they had lost the will to live. And I'm like, yep, I'm good. I'm gonna I'm gonna figure out what I can do with this. I'm gonna figure out how to leverage this in the marketplace, and we're gonna go from there. And in the process of figuring it out, there was a uh there was a patient that my dad had that was talking about how he was a researcher at a at the university. My dad's like, oh, that's really interesting. And he starts selling him, and I kid you not, he goes, Yeah, he's like, My my specialty is in uh he's like, I research sex for a living. My dad's like, excuse me? What? He's like, Yeah, he's like, we do all kinds of stuff down here. He's like, you should come check it out. And my dad's like, no, I think I'll pass. He goes, my son has a has an inclination for research and and and learning about data and predictive behavior and everything else. He goes, you should go talk to him. And he goes, Oh, where'd you go to school? Well, he found out I was a student at the university. He's like, Oh, tell him to swing by my office. I'll introduce him to the department head and chair, and we'll go from there. Well, the department head had looked at my my academic credentials. And he's like, well, you know, I'm gonna be real with you. He said, uh, you know, your GPA isn't really one that we would pull in for grad school. Well, my GPA was above a 3-0, right? I wasn't the best test taker, but you know, if you put a project in my hands and told me to apply what I read into a project, I'd blow anybody out of the water. Like, and it didn't matter what the class was. I just I don't know, it's just the way I worked. So I knew that if I if I had to relay information via conversation to people, I could do it. If you asked me to write down on a test, what I fuck, dude, forget that. I always preferred the hands-on learning method. It just was. So I got into grad school and I started doing research. And the department head was like, all right, well, we got to figure out what kind of research you want to do. I'm like, well, what does that mean? He's like, I don't know, just you know, do your own research and figure it out. I'm thinking, dude, what the hell kind of advice is that? That's like asking somebody, how do I utilize time management? And they're like, Oh, you just got to utilize your time properly. I'm like, thanks, sure, luck. I appreciate that. They put they made you a department head for thinking like that. Awesome, dude. Of course, you don't say it, but so I met with this one uh professor at the time, and I began to discuss really what it was that he did, which was psychophysiology. I had never heard of this before. And he told me that the field of study was essentially a look at how psychological activity occurred, or excuse me, how physiological activity and responses occurred triggered from psychological stimulation, usually from the external world. Now, different professors, you know, focused in on different areas of it. And he's like, but that's essentially the long and short of what we do. He said, I've dabbled in sexual health, I've dabbled in communication within marketing, I've I've been in the industry.

SPEAKER_01 23:47

He ran down his resume and it was impressive.

SPEAKER_00 23:49

Um, you know, the man had various books on his uh in his office, ranging from Richard Dawkins to various communicative theory pioneers of you know previous decades, standard academic literature, and then a couple of you know leisure reading things you could see, but they all had a common theme. And so I began to talk to this guy more and more. He's like, he's like, you really just got to think about what you want to study and what you find interesting about the world. And I was like, okay. Which was kind of it was straightforward, but at the same time, it was vague enough to where I was like, what the hell do I do with this? And so I started poking around at the library, and uh, you know, I'd always go up to the fifth floor of the library at the university I attended. And the the library then at the fifth floor, they had all their medical, you know, books and everything else. And I was fascinated by that. Plus, I mean, the nursing students would always go up there and the girls are pretty cute. So it's, you know, it was a win-win. But anyway, so I went up there and I started thumbing through some books, and I and I came across something that made me kind of scratch my head and go, huh. And I realized I was like, there's all these books concerning medical conditions and diseases and disorders that are brought upon brought upon by poor life choices. But whether it be indulging in too much alcohol, tobacco use, you know, you name it. We know the risks associated with these, and yet people continue to choose to do them. Why? Right. And it's the same thing. And then around that same time, flu was, you know, breaking out again, and you know, people were like, oh, get your flu shot. And then I started to tune in a little bit more to some of the conversations that the students in my classes were having, because I was a graduate assistant at the time too. And I started listening to some of the conversations that these students were having in passive, and they were like, Oh, well, yeah, I don't need no vaccine because you know I've never gotten sick before in their life, or you know, I've already done this, or I, you know, I go home and I stand on my head and spin around three times like my grandmother. It was always home remedies that supposedly kept these diseases at bay. And I found that fascinating. And so what I ended up doing was that led me to doing research on the interactions and the influence of subjective knowledge, where it concerned fear appeals when they were implemented in health-related messages. Now, what's interesting about this is that subjective knowledge is essentially a fancy way of saying what you've learned through your lived experience, right? So, for example, we're just gonna use the flu case, right? So you're like, well, I've always taken chicken soup if I ever feel, you know, weird and it's always worked for me, or I've always gone to the sauna and sweat it out. I don't, you know, there are things that have worked for you before that may not necessarily be based in empirical and medical data, but it works. And because it works, you're led to believe that that is the reason why you have avoided a certain outcome. Now, whether that's empirically and medically backed or not is irrelevant at that point because it's knowledge, it's lived experience, it's anecdotal, as you've seen, you know, across social media, people will hold true to anecdotal submissions as if they were empirically tested. Right now, there's a place for it, it's called qualitative research. But if we're dabbling in quantitative, I'm sorry, that doesn't matter.

SPEAKER_02 27:12

What's up? As a qualitative man, stumbled into some very bizarre phenomena, you know, that seems to stem from unverified personal gnosis, but it is consistent with the physio the physiology of the body, right? And I'm sure in your studies you've come across this very, very, very bizarre situation where from time to time we see a case of psychogenic death, right? Yeah. Where the the absolute loss of will to live from a trauma or an event or just an extreme overindulgence of emotion or whatever the hell it may be, a person will will themselves to die. And then they physically will. Now, I don't know how the hell this would possibly translate to dendritic systems. I'd have to do more research on it, but it seems as if the scientific community and the psychological community do acknowledge this as a very real and bizarre phenomenon, often in people who don't have a prior psychological record.

SPEAKER_03 28:09

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 28:09

I'm not gonna completely dismiss the subjective, but have you found anything that has that type of direct impact from us?

SPEAKER_00 28:18

I I I'm gonna be transparent with you on this one, man. I I don't know if I got that deep into the pool on that, but I do remember reading a few things here and there and seeing cases where, you know, even in clinical psychopathology, in the case studies that we looked at, you do have cases where you have people that have experienced such trauma that it alters the neurochemistry that they have on a daily basis, because there is they're either not able to really experience any kind of serotonal, I don't want to say a serotonal high, but there is such a rewiring of their brain with what they want to focus on where it it affects their mood. And that from what I've seen, and again, there are there are many people out there that are much more skilled and versed in this than I, and they could give you a much better explanation and and and correlate.

SPEAKER_02 29:18

I I actually disagree on the basis that you have a very unique exposure to these. And I don't I'm sure you've thought about this as you know, someone who taught martial arts and and served in the military, everything from the tricks of how to fall asleep immediately in the military to, you know, you see these martial artists who can walk on broken glass and have their mind reinforce their feet to the point where you know they they don't feel it, they don't get the cuts from it. And it's not just calluses, there's a certain degree of of cognition that goes into this. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 29:49

There's there's definitely something to be said about the field of study of the Eastern, the Eastern philosophies and the practices of the arts. I do know that, you know, one of the things I remember is, you know, when you're when you're in that environment and you're it's a conditioning process. It really is. That's the simplest way I can put it. You know, as simple, and this may be somewhat of a barbaric-esque example, but we're gonna go with it. You know, when you are training people day in and day out, and I'm not gonna sit here and be like, oh yeah, you know, I just I was no, no, no, no. But part of a part of the black belt training program that we had for our kids and our adults class, especially the Israeli Krabb Makad class, was a sparring portion of the class. And, you know, when you're teaching people how to control technique as well as power, like you're you're supposed to be kind of the test dummy for your students and you're gonna get hit, man, a lot, right? And at a certain point, there's a certain level of conditioning where your pain threshold increases 100%. And then there's another part of it where internally it's like you just realize, okay, it's only temporary. I know what this does, I know what it can do, and I know what it's not going to do, and what it's not going to do is gonna kill me. What I do know is gonna happen is that if I get hit here, it's not gonna break me, it's gonna leave me sore, but I'll be all right. And I think there's a certain level of acknowledgement of what the extent of that pain is going to be that allows a threshold to be increased in the mind of the receiver of that, if that makes sense. Where these people are where they literally will themselves to death. Yes, you hear cases of like, you know, of that happening. You know, the most notable example of this is you know, Natalie Portman in Revenge of the Sith, where she just got so sad she died. It made no sense. But jokes aside aside, no, you're right. You do have you do have cases like that.

SPEAKER_02 31:43

And the reason I guess what I was getting at with that, uh, you know, Oozel, is if you can train your mind, right, to to control the stimuli you engage in, and and we've got shamans and priests and and even schools of the sciences that train themselves to to hyper-perceive things that typically most people overlook, right? I'm a big fan of that, and I learned what I can from. But, you know, if you can train your bodily impulses physically to choose what to ignore and what not to ignore, which is basically direct dendritic control, right? Because you're moving that that current through your body, what's to say that you couldn't do the same thing with some of these? I mean, I'm not saying, you know, every one of them if it's just a random ritual, but if you have a hyper-concentrated practice, right, like a folk practice, let's say, that you can manifest that degree of hyper-awareness that, hey, if I do this thing, it will protect me from illness or it will allow me to do this, or it will allow me to do that. Again, not at 100% threshold. But why wouldn't there similarly be a means to invoke your uh not circulatory, your immune system as a hyper response to the stimuli that you've created by yourself by spinning in a circle four times if you genuinely believe it?

SPEAKER_00 33:04

Right. Okay, I I get you. I I think I misunderstood you initially. No, and I mean there is something to be said on that, and I I don't think I can professionally speak on that in any capacity, but what I do know is that the placebo effect is is real, right? There's a case that I remember reading about a while back, I don't remember the exact details, but I do know that the show MASH, for those of you that know, you know. If you don't, well, you know, hey, go look it up, it's great. They had made an episode that was inspired from a case like this. And the the entire idea of the scene was that they had run short on morphine because of part of the shipment was contaminated or the supply truck was hit, or whatever the case may be in the plot line. But what the doctors ultimately had to do, and it was one of the surgeons' ideas, he's like, All right, well, we got an idea for this. He's like, I read about something like this in a medical journal, but we really have to sell it. And they walked in and they told these wounded uh Vietnam soldiers in the show, they're like, All right, I'm about to give you morphine. It's really, really strong, but it's gonna take effect in about 10 to 15 minutes. Just give it time to work. If it doesn't seem like it's setting in, it is. Some people are a little bit more resilient to it than others, but trust me, it's working. And they're like, Oh, okay. Well, because there's this it it's kind of twofold. In a situation like that, what it pointed back to was it's it's really twofold. You have the the person believing that what they're being given is going to help them and fix a problem that they have. And the reason why they believe that, the reason why they hold so true to that is because the person giving them that information is in a position of perceived expertise and authority. Now, again, we you and I both know that there is an intellectual fallacy known as, correct me if I'm wrong, but it it's an appeal to authority that's simply because you're in a position where it's the overindulgence on the ethos. Yeah, yeah. So, but in situations like that too, you will find that if the mind truly believes it, the body will follow. Now, that works up into a certain point. You know, you're not going to get your leg blown off and be like, oh yeah, I feel great. No, man, like that as a certain point where it's like there's so much information coming in about the loss of a limb and the loss of transmission and signaling between the brain and that appendage that the body can't process it and it will shut down to protect itself. So there is a discussion to be had on that. Um and it does exist, but to what ext to what extent from a textbook standpoint, I I didn't dive that deep into the pool, but it does.

SPEAKER_02 35:38

You know what I'd like to study? Because we have this phenomenon of phantom limb syndrome, right? Where you do have these people who lost an arm or a leg and they they say they can still feel it, right? Like they can touch a coffee cup, all these things. And it's gotta be some type of of neurological confusion mixed with a psychological detachment. And I'm I would like to know if the people who got, for example, before they were, you know, more or less completely automated, these prosthesis devices for this fake arm, if the people who had that phantom limb syndrome were more easily or or or more challenged in adapting to that that attachment, if it was a barrier to their sense of connection or if it helped them to embrace it. And I I I've yet to find a study on that. I just it seems like people have completely dislodged the possibility that not having a fixed absolute reality might be a benefit if you can redirect it. I mean, not to the point of psychosis, but there's got to be some way to centralize that.

SPEAKER_00 36:43

No, you're absolutely right. And I I think that comes down to the strength of character within the individuals as well as I'm I'm sure that's an independent variable, but another one that we would have to address on that if we raised that question, because it is a good one. But the follow-up to that would be okay, well, you know, within this, what is what is the occupation of this individual? Because do they have the will to fight to actually overcome this obstacle, knowing that they could still be of use to whatever field of study or field of service that they were in? For example, you know, we see this in veterans a lot too. You know, these whether they be soldiers, marines, airmen, seamen, uh, coast guard, whatever the case may be, right? They'll be placed inside of a situation. And these, these, uh, these men and women are put in a situation where they're trained to fight through obstacles, and they become so resilient on that, and they develop that characteristic. So then when they hit an obstacle like that, you know, yeah, they have to go through a physical rehabilitation, they have to go through physical therapy, they get a prosthetic, but then you see them, you know, a year later in the gym still lifting weights, doing whatever else and and and what have you. I'll give you a good example too. I think it comes down to strength of character, I think it comes down to motivation, I think it comes down to the will to overcome. There was a young man in the university I attended, and again, I get this as anecdotal, but it's you know, it's it's relevant to what we're discussing as a prime example, too. The young man had clearly lost one of his arms. I think it was roughly just below the elbow. And he had, or maybe it was just above the elbow. I think it was just above the elbow, but he had this prosthetic either way, and it attached to his limb. And what he was able to do was most people would be like, Well, you know, I have, you know, I've only got one arm, so I can't work out. I worked with a boomer like that for a while. They're like, well, you know, my eyesight started to go here, so I couldn't lift weights. I'm like, that makes no sense to me. Because this dude only had one arm, he got a prosthetic, and he was still able to find a way to do dumbbell rows with proper form and build up both sides of his body. So you can't tell me that simply because you have thicker glasses, it inhibits your ability to lift weights. That doesn't make sense to me. There was a kid that walked into my martial arts class, signed him up. I kid you not. The day he signed up, I told him, I said, Listen, man, I'll teach you everything I can. We'll try to find alternative techniques for you. I said, but there's only so far you can go with this. Are you gonna be okay with that? He said, Yeah, I want to be the best at what I can do with what I can do. You know what the funny thing is? This kid came in in a wheelchair with one leg, he would crawl himself out to the mat, hold himself up, and even in a wheelchair, he would execute these techniques with fervor and motivation higher than some of my advanced belts. And I purposely put my advanced belts in the class with him one day, and they were looking at him, and then they started to work harder because they're like, well, if this kid can do it, hell yeah, I can too. So it comes down to where your mindset is when you meet that obstacle, right? If I got a kid in a wheelchair that's willing to drag himself and do almost almost run in a quadruplelegic way in the similar, in a similar way that an animal was sprinting across a to close the distance on an opponent and do a takedown. Dude, you can you can't tell me that, oh well, it's too hard. Now there are instances where that is true, yes, but I I think that one of the things that we would have to look at is what is the motivation, what is the environment in which the person was already experienced.

SPEAKER_02 40:23

Basically the the fundamental difference between uh, let's say uh a hypochondriac that thinks a sneeze would knock them off sideways and has convinced them of that versus someone who you know can do these these martial techniques or can rally their will like that, would be what, discipline training?

SPEAKER_00 40:41

I I think discipline and realistic expectations comes into play with it because hypochondriasis is is a real condition, as at least as it was stated back in the DSM 4 when I was studying it. I have my personal disagreements with some of the re-categorizations of disorders and diseases in the DSM V, but I'm not a professional. I'm pretty sure that professionals would dismiss my opinion on that. But I think ultimately what a person is. Professionals take money from Grant Writers, so that's a thing. Yeah, exactly. Don't get me started on that. But I with that specifically, I think it comes down to realistic expectations as well as discipline and just having a can-do attitude as tongue-in-cheek as that may sound. Because while hypochondrias is a thing, as best I can tell, I think it is a is a it's an overdeveloped sense of self-preservation from the case studies that I remember reading in school. Um, a sniffle is like, oh my god, I've got, you know, it's it's basically the manifestation of WebMD, you know, where a cough turns into leukemia. It's like, no, okay, dude, chill. Like you have to you have to be aware that there's nothing that you can do in this world that is going to prevent you from dying. Everybody's got an expiration date. And that expiration date's already been determined by God Himself. You're not going to get away from that. Now, there are certain responsibilities that we have as individuals that have been given this body by God to take care of it to the best of our ability, for sure. But it comes down to you have to realize, listen, man, we got a time to clock in and clock out. And what you do in between point A and point B is completely up to you. And when you go stand before the judgment seat one day, you are going to have to give, you are going to have to give an account as to why you conducted yourself in either A or B manner. Right. And so I think it does come down to discipline and just having a realistic sense of life around you as well as expectations.

SPEAKER_02 42:38

And can I poke your brain on something? Yeah, man. Go ahead. I haven't had a good conversation with someone in the psychiatric fields about the field in a minute. So I'm very excited by this, especially because you know I look into some of the more obscure histories and rites and rituals back when you know science and magic and religion were all deeply intertwined. And some of it evolved into like chemistry from alchemy, right?

SPEAKER_03 43:00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 43:00

Hypnosis from trans states. But there are occasionally, and I will say occasionally, especially among you know natives and shamans and medicine men. For example, there was an old method to treat something that we currently call PTSD, right? Post-traumatic stress. I can never remember what they called it in the native languages, but a couple of them had developed this all across the world. And effectively what it is, is you create a trans state, not unlike a hypnotic state, right? And you force this person who's so deeply entwined in the moment of that break, right? In the moment of that full visceral revival of the instance. While they're in that instance, you put them into a trans state, into a suggestible state, and you effectively detach them from it, right? We see this a lot with people who are addicted. If you can give them, you know, three seconds to think about doing something between doing it and train them to half the time, they'll break it, right? So what They would do is double down. They would double down hard, especially back when we saw the very old days when they'd use things like Brugmancia, right? Or de churra, these really nasty plants that could also cure asthma in the right dose. Crazy shit. But even the ones that didn't use uh psycho what the hell's the word I'm looking for? Talking about psychotropics? Psychedelics, yes, psychotropics, yes. But even the people who just did the straight one-to-one practice, you know, you think it's about mitigation, you think it's about remove the triggers and this and that. They took the opposite approach. They put them into this trance state and then effectively double down on that viscerality in that trance state and allow the person to detach themselves. It's almost like watching yourself walk to a tree versus walking to a tree, right? And in so doing, knowing the impact that this would have on the body, which is why it had to be very carefully controlled, the subject would be guided by the other person to fully and completely internally, right, manifest these things that represented loss, grief, shock, pain, whatever the hell it was, to physically totemize them within this trance state. And then, especially when it came to fighters, to have them fight it. Now, what was really bizarre about these situations, right, is people think Freddy Krueger, because if they were done wrong, it didn't always work. But if it was done wrong, you would have the person take a physiological hit, a very severe one. If it was done correctly, it would force them to, metaphorically speaking, here, wrestle their demons into submission, wrestle them down underneath them through this point of combat within the psyche, right? That had this visceral sensation of reality in the moment of that hyper-awareness. Now, the reason it died off as a practice is because, kind of like ayahuasca does today, stupid people got involved and they didn't understand how to manage that guidance. So, what we saw was people in these trance states who would become so overwhelmed through this interior manifestation that they would either have aneurysms, heart attacks, you know, full-body shutdown shocks, just all of these horrendous fucking things. But at the same time, there were cases that worked that allowed that manifestation to run its course, almost uh to use pop culture, shutter islanding them into clarity. That makes sense.

SPEAKER_00 46:37

Yeah, no, it it does. Sorry. Um I've got something drop on my computer there. You might have to take that out and post that it. But no, it does. I think that there's something to be said about the some of the more ancient practices of you know these metaphysical experiences as well as these spiritual encounters that were so notably recorded in in previous civilizations. I mean, I I think there's an entire discussion to be had on it. And I think to a certain degree, you know, I'm I'm I'm woefully unqualified to talk about it. But there is, I I think that there is something to be said about the effectiveness of some of these more spiritual practices, if you will. But yeah, more I I think more research, more modern-day research would definitely need to be conducted on some of the more ancient practices of addressing, I think, things like that specifically.

SPEAKER_02 47:33

Well, it seems like the more ancient practices, since we, you know, stopped calling them any any type of mystical thing in society back during the Flexner reports of 1910, right, where we got into the pharmaceuticals. But it it seems like they line up somewhere between physics, linguistics, herbal medicines, and psychology. And it it I feel like we can centralize that somehow, but feelings to the side, there's also the the deeper end of this, right? And if you have a minute, I really want you to jump into uh your your master theory, your master thesis, where you were talking about fear retention and watching that play out in in society not too long after, if you wouldn't mind. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 48:17

So the idea back behind the idea back behind the thesis specifically was that uh there was a theory that was postulated back in 1975 by a Ronald R. Rogers, and his idea, excuse me, I get a cough. Sorry. It was one of those things where you go to take a sip of water and then it ends up going whole all the way down your lungs instead of your throat. Yeah, it's great stuff. Anyway, so yeah, to answer your question, so there was a theory that was proposed by Ronald Rogers back in 1975, and his idea was protection motivation theory. Now, the idea back behind this was very, very simple. And it was this is that when people are faced with information that may conflict with what they already believe, that they're gonna go through a process by which they're either going to accept the information that you give them or they're gonna reject it out. Now, there was an entire process that he he essentially drew up from a charting perspective, or at least a graph perspective. And what he essentially said was that there were three there were three main elements that needed to be met before somebody could actually accept a message. Now the theory was proposed back in 1975, it was revised back in 1982, and a lot of this I'm going off of memory here, so if I get one or two dates wrong, forgive me. But the idea back behind this was actually very simple. In order for a threat to be perceived a threat by the receiving individual of the message, there needed to be a value of one or greater in the categories of perceived level of susceptibility, perceived level of severity, and then perceived level of efficacy. Now, what this means is the first one, the perceived level of susceptibility, how likely is this going to affect me? Right. So if you read, what's a good example? Oh. So the example that I threw out in grad school was with Salmonella and E. coli outbreaks, right? So if you read about an outbreak of salmonella occurring in Seattle, just because it's a coastal city, I'm sure the seafood's great out there. But if you read about a viral outbreak or a bacterial outbreak brought on by seafood, and let's say you're out in the middle of, I don't know, Iowa, okay, well, seafood may not necessarily be entirely prevalent where you are, right? Or as much of a staple point in the menu. So you're going to have a lower perceived level of susceptibility for the threat. So you're going to look at that and go, Well, I'm not near I'm not near a coastal city, so it's not really gonna make a difference. I'm okay. Okay. So let's get to the next one. All right, so the perceived level of severity, right? So how how big of a threat is this, and how much do I actually have to worry about this? Well, again, if you're reading this article and you're seeing that you have a bunch of people that are catching E. coli and any number of other bacterial infections from eating seafood, but you're allergic to seafood. But let's say you live in Seattle, okay, well, two things are now met in that equation. One, the level of susceptibility. Okay, well, you live in the very place that there's an outbreak. Cool, but you're allergic to seafood. So you're not going to be eating it anyway. So you're like, okay, well, that didn't really apply to me. Okay. Well, then the per the last point is the perceived level of efficacy, or what is it that you can do to fix the situation? Well, two out of three of those in that specific situation have already been met. You're by you're you live in Seattle, you're by the coast. Cool, man. But you don't eat seafood, and the efficacy here is that you wouldn't do it to begin with, so you don't have to worry about it. So you have the perceived level of susceptibility value being zero. So therefore, the message is not going to continue on to the adoption and contemplation phase, is essentially what it is, right? Now let's assume that all three of those values are one or more, right? So you live in Seattle, you realize that you're a seafood eater, and you realize that you have the power to you know prevent this happening to you. Okay, so all of those values are now at one. Let's move into the next stage. And what happens is that you begin to review the material presented to you, and then ultimately, based on the information that you are presented, you are going to immediately reject or deny that based on any number of, if I recall correctly of this theory, any number of arbitrary factors, right? So let's say we'll use a really, a really, really common one, because a lot of people I think know about this. The white lab coat syndrome. I'm sure you've heard of this, where you have people that have apprehensions towards folks in white lab coats, doctors, nurses, phlebotomists, it doesn't matter, right? They've had some kind of bad experience in the medical industry, they've got an aversion to people in white lab coats. Inversely, you will have people like what we saw in COVID, where anybody wearing a white lab coat is automatically in a position of authority unless, and expertise, unless their point of perspective and their series of information contradicts what is in the narrative of the day, right? So I know you've had a previous guest on that talked about media framing and everything else like that. So this kind of goes hand in hand with that, right? If you have a major media narrative being pushed for a greater agenda, and then you have anybody in a white lab coat that comes forward and says something that contradicts what you perceive to be true, it doesn't matter how empirically correct it can be, you have a swath of the population that is going to reject it wholesale, right? So let's get into the second stage again, right? So you get presented with the information. Let's say you have an aversion to people in white lab coats because you think they're out to get you. Okay, well, you're probably gonna reject the message at that point. You're gonna continue to do what you're gonna do, and there's a likelihood that you're probably gonna end up with, like, you know, take any kind of picket a bacterial infection, right? Oh, you're probably gonna end up in the hospital and then you're gonna end up meeting the very people you want to avoid. So there you go. So let's assume that you don't have that aversion, but you look at it and you go, you know what? That doesn't really line up with what my cousin's brother's second cousin's dog's roommates, uncle's friends, doctor's boyfriend has told me, right? So I don't want to believe that, and it's going to inhibit, it's going to prevent me from actually living my best life, which is a phrase we hear on social media all the time. So I'm not going to accept it. And then, you know, people put themselves in harm's way, even though they know better and they've been informed better. And then finally, you have the group of population, and they're they're very small, but they'll take a step back and they'll go, hmm, okay, I'm at risk for this. I indulge in this, therefore, I am probably going to be a statistic if I'm not careful. But I do have the power to change this. So I think until this is actually contained, I should take this information that they're giving me. Let me look into it a little bit more. You're right. Yep, this checks out. Maybe I should lay off seafruit for a little bit. That third party, right, is going to be the one that actually takes action and accepts the message and then moves into the final stage of okay, I'm going to use this messaging and I am going to set myself up for success by preventing this from occurring to me. Right. Now, this is a very consolidated and condensed look at what that theory is. But for the sake of brevity, that's more or less the long and short of it. Now, the problem is that when we take something like that, and seven years later, because I completed this research back in like 2013, and seven years later when COVID broke out, we watched as the stuff that I had studied seven years prior played out. Now, the hypothesis that I had thrown out in this paper was that the lower the subjective knowledge, I mean, because again, I haven't looked at these in seven years, so give me a second. So what I what I had postulated was this was that the greater the subjective knowledge somebody had on any kind of threat, any kind of stimuli, the more receptive that they were going to be to uh carrying out the messages' recommendations because they knew better, right? So yeah, it would make sense. Whereas the people that had lower subjective knowledge on something, that had less of personal experience with something were going to be much more apprehensive about it because they would have perceived it as a push of authority, it would have been, you know, the appeal to authority, it would have been some kind of you know fear tactic to get them to behave in a certain way. So the apprehension would have been there. What I found was actually the complete opposite. The people that had little to no previous subjective knowledge on a given outbreak, disease, stimuli, whatever, were much more receptive to receiving factual information and guidance on the threat than the people that had the previous standing knowledge to begin with. Because what we found was people were much less reticent to accept the professional expertise of people in these positions who had studied this because of first-hand experience, whether empirically backed or not, like what we had kind of alluded to earlier. And so we saw this in COVID, right? The people who were on the left that didn't know anything about this, they took that and they ran with it to the point where they were even telling people and and promoting this on news outlets. I'm sure you remember this, that whoever didn't get back behind this idea needed to be put inside of a concentration camp, or they needed to, excuse me, they needed to have their civil rights taken away, or what have you, or they needed to be fired. They needed to be doing that. So they took this advice and they took it to the extreme. Whereas on the other side of the crowd, you had the folks that were like, hey man, like something's up with this, because a lot of this math is not math, right? So when Fauci comes out and he says, Oh, yeah, well, we're making vaccines at the speed of science, homie. I'm no microbiologist and I'm certainly no chemist, but I know for a fact that there is a lengthy process that any vaccine that wants to go to the market has to go through before it ever approves, it before it ever gets FDA approval. And sometimes that can take anywhere from one to several years, let's say five or six, right? Well, here's the problem with that timeline. If you got a vaccine that quick to market, that tells me one of two things. Either A, you cut a lot of corners to make this happen and you threw a lot of caution to the wind, or you knew about this thing well before it ever became a global problem. Which leads to a bigger question: how did this happen? Now, looking back on it now, we have the information to know that both things were true simultaneously, right? Corners were cut with this vaccine. There was pre-existing knowledge that Fauci contained or that Fauci had concerning the containment of this disease and this virus in the Wu Han lab in China. Not only did he know about it, he was actively being funded to do gain of function research, in which case he lied about it before Congress the first time around. So what we see is in addition to the leaders that we had in a position of a perceived level of authority based on subject matter expertise, not only being bought and paid for, but purposely misleading the public on the preventative measures necessary to combat COVID-19. And what happened when we had people push back against that narrative and try to actually present factual information. We saw a behemoth, okay, just absolutely a visceral response by people that were so sure that they knew what was right. When you had doctors and physicians and Robert, I forget the guys, I think it was Maloney, but he goes out there and he's like, listen, man, ivermectin will do the job. Well, it was really weird. You could find ivermectin in Walgreens and CVS stores readily available. Hell man, you could buy it in bulk. But then when COVID-19 broke out and the narrative started being pushed, and they wanted to make sure people believed it, well, then what happened? You couldn't find this in stores, you couldn't find this on the shelves. And it was deemed as some kind of false information. Well, when you had physicians actually coming forward and going, hey, like this doesn't work, or this isn't actually how this happened how this operates, they had their licenses pulled, they had their lives destroyed by a man who hadn't seen a patient in, I think the reports had stated over 20 years. So there's a series of things that actually played out with this that were horrifying and amazing to watch at the same time. And I know that may come off as distasteful to your listeners, but it was this unification of both ends of the spectrum where I sat and watched the world like freak out about this, and I watched these theories just run wild in society. The people that knew better, and they're like, Yeah, I should get a shot to get this, they didn't want to do it, which was exactly what I had seen in the in the study several years before. People knew what they should have done and they didn't want to do it because they felt like they were being manipulated. Whereas the people that didn't know anything were more than happy to sign on with any prescribed level of treatment because they had this perception that the people in the positions of authority had their best interests in mind. And then we look at the fallout of that too, where you have a swath of the population now that has little to no trust in federal government or NGOs, such as the ones that are supposed to keep us safe, because they pushed a narrative, they pushed a vaccine, which we now know is one of the most dangerous on the market, as evidenced by the FDA placing a black and white warning label on these freaking vaccines now. So watching this unfold was horrifying and incredible at the same time because watching this narrative play out, I remember, I remembered these theories, and I remember that it helped me kind of understand how to go about researching certain information a lot more effectively. For example, if you go off and you can do this at home, you go off and you look at the masks that Fauci, Fauci was pushing that everybody should wear. Okay, well, look at the size of the particles and the virus, the size of the viruses and the foreign airborne agents that this thing is supposed to filter out. Okay, well, there's a number to that. The problem is that the COVID-19 virus was smaller than what the filter stopped, but it was being pushed as like, oh, well, this will help this will help curve the, you know, it'll it'll it'll stump the curve, whatever his slogan was. Well, no, you had you had prof medical professionals coming out and saying, no, that's not true.

SPEAKER_02 1:04:20

And because of this, even without that, you know, extreme nuanced awareness, and this this might be a me thing because I dabble in knowledge in a couple areas, and I'm a big fan of looking at the operators, right? Like even with, you know, God forbid, God bless him, he didn't at all deserve what happened to him. No one should be. But Charlie Kirk, right, or Carmelo. I look at the operators. I don't look at the event, I look at who's gonna play this. I look at what narratives can they twist, who's gonna spin this, who's gonna gain from it. Doesn't mean that they were responsible for it, but it raises who stands to benefit from its use. And the Kirk case was a perfect example of this because what were the highest points in society? The education argument, the gun argument, the LGB argument. You had all of these things crammed into one particular event that could be weaponized in every possible direction, whether it's martyrdom or condemnation based off of that emotion. Now, when it came to COVID, I knew five things looking at the operators. I knew number one that the flu had disappeared. All flu statistics were absolutely fucking gone. There was no flu during COVID, which was very bizarre. Number two, as a historian, I knew what was traditional in that area all the way down to the Mongolian marmot that caused the Black Plague, right? Number three, I watched the legislators. I watched what they did. And I will I will scream about this till the day that I die because it was the moment where I said, you know what, fuck them. And that was when Kathy Hokel, without any any acknowledgement by the people, who even called it bullshit to your face when you pointed to the statute, passed codes 2.13 and 2.12. Of the New York State Health Act, which basically allowed them to pull you from your home and put you into an internment camp on suspicion of any disease and refused you the right to prove you didn't have it to leave. It was insufficient to leave the custody of New York. I said, okay, whoever's playing that game is a messy, messy bitch, and I don't want to be a part of it. And the last thing I knew, and this is only because I have friends who are chemists, is that mRNA, specifically in certain types of vaccines, was very, very heavily regulated because the offshoot of the consequences of it had to be tracked very carefully in different types of bodies. And so I watched this happen in real time, and I'm like, okay, I'm gonna deep dive this a little bit, right? I did get the first one. I'm not gonna say anything after that, but then you really step back and you look at this because your average public doesn't know about the the size of the particles, right? But they do know doctors wear masks. Okay. So how come Fauci didn't tell people to do what doctors do and change out the mask every now and again? Because all that did was attach any bacteria you came into that day to your face the whole fucking day. It made no sense to me.

SPEAKER_00 1:07:12

Well, what when I really started to question it, and I and I questioned it a lot throughout the entire process of like, oh, you have to wear, you have to wear a mask here, you have to do this, you have to do that. I was I was vehemently against it. And there were certain times where I just did it to go along to get along because I had to, and I would push the boundaries on that consistently. And what I what I thought was horrifying, and this is really when I started to question stuff like massively. One, the man got up in front of the entire nation, planted 10 toes back behind a podium and said, Oh, if you wear two masks at the same time, it'll extra protection. I'm like, what kind of freaking preschool nonsense? Like, listen, man, like, dude, if your BS radar is uh isn't going off at that point, like, dude, I don't know what to tell you. I really don't. But even furthermore, beyond that, they're like, oh, well, you know, we you know, you have to stand six feet apart from people and this, that, and the other. And oh, you have to wear a mask at a gym. Or, you know, well, COVID can't get you if you're sitting around the table and eating and everything else. And oh, it it doesn't, it doesn't exist if you're you know in in certain confined areas or uh with specific parameters. Like that made no sense to me.

SPEAKER_02 1:08:24

The fact you did such a good job with the age crisis, you know, you look into the ethos of the man, it's like, oh, this is interesting, and then you got the WEF, the WT, all this shit, and it's like, oh, well, that's interesting how all these diseases are now breaking out and the world's panicking, but uh, we're not. That's interesting.

SPEAKER_01 1:08:41

It's just yeah, it's a strange little coincidence. I wonder the hell how why that happened.

SPEAKER_02 1:08:46

So it was because the nature of it it became a control experiment and it was proven successful, and that's what all of these operators are running with. I don't care if it's marketing, messaging, or government control, yeah, that's what they saw.

SPEAKER_00 1:09:01

Yeah, and and and I mean that was the thing too, is that there was you had a portion of the population that was easily willing to go along to get along. And the funny thing is, too, is that the a lot of the people that are here on social media, especially during the time where the same people now that are saying that certain people are Nazis or they would have sold out the Jews or whatever else, the funny thing is those are the same people that not six years ago were more than happy to report their neighbors to the police if they had a social gathering or they were out in public without a mask.

SPEAKER_02 1:09:34

Bro, there wasn't an internment camp an hour from my house, and nobody listened to me. And it was in the law. I pointed to it, I said, Look, it's right here. They passed this, they authorized this, yes, and and nobody would talk about it. Not a not a fucking soul. I think I I remember I went to New York City at one point. I I avoid the city like the plague, but I would too, hell, from some stuff I've read. I went to the city at one point, and it was the most dystopian, terrifying thing I'd ever heard. I mean, the train stations were empty, and you just had these messages on a loop coming out of the speakers. Make sure you put on your mask, stay six feet apart from each other, and do not engage in unnecessary interactions over and over and over again. And I'm I'm looking around like, what in the Fahrenheit, Brave New World, book and I I just I stayed the fuck out of the city ever since.

SPEAKER_00 1:10:20

You have to, you absolutely have to, but you you look at how that was being pushed from a narrative standpoint, too, even not only from not only from quote unquote health experts like Fauci, but even legislators that were like, well, we need to people we need to take these people's rights away and everything else. Okay, the same people raising an alarm about Nazi Germany concentration camps, alleged death camps of the 40s, right? And suddenly you're okay with throwing people into these similar-style camps who don't agree with an inoculation.

SPEAKER_02 1:10:56

But it also set a confident that we saw being done. I mean, look at what happened with California when Xi Jinping, you know, came to visit all the homeless suddenly disappeared.

SPEAKER_03 1:11:05

It was why.

SPEAKER_02 1:11:06

You can speculate on that all you want, but if you were looking at the social medias at the time, you saw other homeless people, you saw you saw families being like, hey, I can't find my friend. These black vans came and now they're gone, and and this and that, and all of a sudden they disappeared too. And it's like, what the fuck in hell are we even doing here? What is this?

SPEAKER_00 1:11:22

Yeah, absolutely.

SPEAKER_02 1:11:23

And I'm not ever gonna forget that.

SPEAKER_00 1:11:25

No, and nobody should nobody ever should. And the fact that this only happened a mere six years ago, the beginning of this, and arguably ended probably two or three, and people just wash it, you know, sweep it under the rug, like, oh, not a big deal, is terrifying to me. I was gonna say a second ago, I was like, you know, I think Jordan Peterson, one of the one of the things that I think stands out most interesting about this situation is that Jordan Peterson had a lecture that he was giving in front of a one of his last, I think, university classes before the whole debacle went down and again, but it was like, you can't teach here anymore, whatever. But he told this class, he goes, everybody wants to take the moral high road and say, Oh, I would have opposed the Nazis, I would have done this, I would have done that. He goes, No, you wouldn't have. He said, You really don't. He said, Because I guarantee you, he said, It's a lot easier than you think to become the monsters that you read about in history. He said, It doesn't take much. And COVID was a prime example of that. They're like, Well, that's not true. I guess you were you were more than happy to report and narc on your neighbors if they had a gathering aboard of four people. That is ridiculous. Churches are shut down.

SPEAKER_02 1:12:37

New New York changed tremendously. I mean, before COVID, they tried to put in that snitch line, and I'll never forget it, it got crashed with so many dick pics and prank calls that they just shut the thing down, like, all right, you know what, you're not taking this seriously, fuck it. And why should they have? That's hilarious. People, people were getting, you know, bribes basically, conditionally from the government to snitch on each other, you know, whether it was college loan forgiveness or this or that, it was all casually being handed out left, right, and center. And you saw this, yeah. It's like, where the hell are the old school New Yorkers? This is not this is not New York. What what the hell has happened to my people?

SPEAKER_00 1:13:12

And no, you're absolutely right. And it's it's it's terrifying to see. And I think one of the things that really just was disgusting to me after the fact was the fallout of interpersonal interactions that we had afterwards.

SPEAKER_02 1:13:28

For example, there's a whole generation of quarantines that are not adjusted to society that are now thrown into a digital world. They're never going to be the same, they're never going to function properly.

SPEAKER_00 1:13:37

And I mean that that'll bring up something else that you know I I could easily go on for days about. But you know, I'll I'll bring it much more home to something that's a little bit more relatable to to the to the layman. I I was I was trying to chat up this one girl several years ago. And I'll match I'm much better on person or in person than I am online. Like I just it it just there's a certain level of like inner personality that I just like I I'm a I'm much more charismatic in person. I've been told. Yeah. And the funny thing is that this girl, she's like, well, I got a series of criteria. I'm like, okay, that I mean that's nothing new, whatever. She's like, well, you know, you have to be of a certain political affiliation, which I was. I think I gave up being part of a political party a while ago because I realized that it's it's much it's much better to look at things on a policy-by-policy issue as opposed to.

SPEAKER_02 1:14:31

Yeah, it's a different type of bread and circus. It serves its purpose, but they're a puppet class for a reason.

SPEAKER_00 1:14:36

Right. And that's the thing, is that they're and I'm almost to the point where I'm not too far off from just outright believing that both parties are bought and paid for at if you go high enough up. But she's like, well, you know, this is also you know, you have to do or you have to be of a certain faith. And I was like, okay, yeah, I'm a Christian. I was like, I'm not perfect at it, but you know, I I I genuinely want to follow after Christ. I want to be found faithful, 100%. And she's like, Oh, well, then you also have to, she's like, not be vaccinated. And I'm like, what? And this is when I discovered that there's an entire percentage of the population that believes that now there is a percentage of their countrymen that are genetically inferior to them or quote, not pureblood anymore, because they may or may not have had a vaccine shot. And so you see ostracization. I'm probably butchering that word, but people will begin to be ostracized based on whether or not that they made a judgment call in the moment. Now, you have some people that, yeah, outright were like, no, and they lost everything for it, right? And this was this was definitely uh prevalent in the military as well. We even see the cases coming back where these people are reinsated into the military with all their backgrounds.

SPEAKER_02 1:15:54

Yeah, but Eusel, there's there's something very important that no one remembered about the vaccination. And I I I really want to point this out for anyone who didn't said so. I was I was in college in Louisiana at the time, which is a relatively poor state, but I live in in upstate New York in a very, very well-to-do area. I talked to some of my buddies that that work in the chemistry labs that you know toyed around with comparatives and studies and all these things. The compound quality and the rendering of the materials. I'm tempted to call them regions just because I'm a historian, but fuck it. The rendering of the materials in it, and the choice of materials in it, the one vaccine I did get, I made sure I got up here in Westchester. Because the one in Louisiana was a very, very, very different, very different construction than the one in New York. Are you saying they gave more volatile concoctions to reporter areas? Yes.

SPEAKER_03 1:16:51

Wow.

SPEAKER_02 1:16:51

Yeah. That's why you see spikes in things like cardiomyopathy in certain areas. And the other thing that you see, and this is going back to the DuPont and the PFAS and all these things, and this is why people are screaming about this particular vaccine's relation with autism, it's not that the C19 vaccine caused autism. It's that the studies that came out on this, when it's in areas like Maryland or Virginia, are in water port areas. They're in areas where the PFAS was dumped from the DuPont spills.

SPEAKER_03 1:17:23

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:17:23

Now, if you know anything about basic chemistry, right, and I I know you do to an extent. Most people have a basic handle, but also I've got a lot of people on the internet freaking out that there's dihydrogen monoxide in the fucking water supply, and I don't know what to do with that because what the fuck.

SPEAKER_00 1:17:39

Is that the thing that's turning the frogs gay?

SPEAKER_02 1:17:41

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. The H2O is definitely turning the frogs gay in the water supply. But no, it's it was holy shit, it's just it's it's the PFAS, right? It's the polyfloral carbons. And when those had interactions with certain versions of these vaccines in certain areas, it had a direct comorbid negative impact on pregnant women and the fetuses they're in because of that reaction. Now you don't see that same reaction in other areas where there were certain types of PFAS bills where different types of uh, let's say more refined, less volatile vaccines were provided to the wealthier. And that's the type of shit that I really looked at. And then I really looked at, you know, the UN and the WTO and the WHO and the fucking WEF, and they're not even hiding it. They they're just straight up telling you what they're doing. Like it's it's publicized on their pages. Like, we're gonna do this, and especially, you know, Agenda 2030. It sounds so lovely with all the things they put up. But if you go to the archives and you pull up the original 900-page document, you go under methods, same with the WF, they're not hiding it. You just go, what the fuck? So it's just when I saw that, I realized it was a little further than you know malpractice, it was a little further than political gain, it was even further than the fucking internment camps and the abuse of the populace. It was some form of selection being made intentionally or otherwise by someone at the distribution level higher up. And I'm like, this is some sick fucking shit. Yeah, it's sick shit.

SPEAKER_00 1:19:22

It is, it is, and it what's even more disheartening, too, is and I'm gonna veer away from the anecdotal on this point, but sure you're you're right, is when you look at the the complaints that were coming out of various various areas with these vaccines. You're telling me that a perfectly healthy athletic soccer player who's 36 years old suddenly just falls over and dies because of cardiac failure on the middle of the field. And not just once, but multiple times. Well, then you come to find out that the University of Florida, I believe it was the University of Florida Health Sciences Center or Florida University. It was it was a university in Florida, I remember reading the article. But they had published that there was a 80% uh morbidity spike for cardio might die. Myopathy. Myopathy, thank you. I promise I can speak English. No, but they did notice an 80% fatality increase or mortality increase, and the people that had received a specific brand of the shot. Right now, what's really funny about it is that I remember when this happened in the military too, you had a lot of service members that were going in there and they were comparing notes on who got what brand of shot what, like they were Pokemon cards. It was wild. Only to find out later that the reason why they were trying to figure out who got what was because they were then going home in their off time and they were investigating the uh occurrences and the statistical probability and the likelihood that they were going to experience X number of side effects based on the brand of shot that they got. So if you'll notice, what I thought was really interesting about this too was the government basically threw money at a bunch of these companies, it seemed, and correct me if I'm wrong on this, but it seemed like they threw a bunch of money at these companies to see who could get to market faster.

SPEAKER_02 1:21:24

Well, if you're doing something like a vaccine, speed is not necessarily, you know, something that you want to stand on when it comes to No, especially not something that has mutative elements, which is why there was such a hard restriction on this.

SPEAKER_00 1:21:38

Exactly. And so what's really funny about it is that the two brands that seemed to be on the market the longest, the Moderna and the Pfizer, ended up, lo and behold, having the largest amount of side effects. Do you know which brand was pulled off the market first because of, well, questionable results, but we didn't see a whole lot of data come back from that? J and J. It was J. It was J and J. And I would be willing to bet my bottom dollar. I'm not a gambling. But if you were to put me in front of a study and be like, hey, why do you think this you know got pulled off the market? Knowing then, if I knowing now what I wish I would have known then, I would place my money on the fact that it was probably because J and J actually did the job it was supposed to do with the least amount of side effects.

SPEAKER_02 1:22:31

Yeah, but keep in mind J J has also had a certain proclivity for I want to call it benign neglect, abusive marketing, right? Like we all know about the no more tears, no more tears. Ha ha ha, you're an adult, you should have figured that out, except that it's marketed to kids. Right. In most of those bottles. So immediately a parent's gonna think, oh, no more tears. The kids are gonna think, oh, no more tears, it's not gonna sting me. It's not gonna nope. No, it's and technically it's not illegal, but it is absolutely that emotional manipulation. So it doesn't surprise me that they would.

SPEAKER_00 1:23:03

No, it's it's not. And what's amazing about it is that the majority of the data that we now have is coming from the Pfizer and Moderna. And then you know, you then you have questions, okay. Well, you know, is this really going to affect me? How long does this stay in my bloodstream? And then even then, the science is out on that. Fauci's like, oh yeah, yeah, it'll it'll protect you. You're you're good forever. Well, then the science comes out and it's like, actually, the vaccine really only stays in your system for about what's up.

SPEAKER_02 1:23:33

Now it's you need nine boosters, and we've got you know chimerism theories popping up everywhere. It's like, y'all, just go talk to doctors. Go go talk to like doctors that are not practicing, old school doctors, doctors that are practicing, cross-compare, get their their notes. Look at it. Because my thing is there's three types of science, right? There's the science that's trying to explore to learn new things, there's what I call the constructed sciences, which is where you have the grants and everything influencing how it will engage with society. And then there's the what the fuck it might be magic sciences, right? Like if you ask, and because we know it works, we just don't know necessarily what the fuck it is. Like we know the effect it has on the human body, we don't know why. And you see this very commonly with anesthesiologists. Go go talk to your head. Hey, how does this work? Like, what how does this actually oh I don't fucking know? No one really fucking knows. I mean, we have these theories, but like the fuck? Yeah, now I want to be clear that's not the type of situation that we were dealing with at the operator level. We were absolutely dealing with the constructed situation. So this is not a knock on science or its limits or or research or even vaccines. I'd still say be careful, look into each one and know your body chemistry and shit. But like it's it doesn't mean every vaccine's fucked forever. It means they took advantage of that trust by the public and they pushed it to the point of internment camps, abuse, control. And this is why I tell people every fucking day, every day, especially military, especially fucking Marines that don't have JAG, right? Know the fucking constitution. Because I need them to know three and eight. When we have, you know, National Guard marching down the streets, hitting people with paintball guns in Minnesota. I don't want the people who are terrified to say, hey, write a proposition that says you'll waive your third amendment for because of safety, so they can ensure you're safe in your house and not plotting to, you know, uh spread misinformation. Because if they don't know their third amendment, right, and they just write it up the right way in legal ease, and that gets passed as a prop. Now, obviously SCOTUS will shoot it down, but by the time they shoot it down, it's gonna be, you know, months, years that there could potentially be troops in your fucking house.

SPEAKER_00 1:25:43

Well, and we've already talked about too about the stuff that's making it to SCOTUS. And it's taking up their time away from cases that they actually need their to place their attention on. Mm-hmm. But yeah, that's oh my gosh.

SPEAKER_02 1:25:57

Yeah. So I I do have a couple other areas I wanted to hit on you real quick, if if you're good for it. Yeah, man, absolutely. So just real quick, because uh yeah, I do want to inject some some advice here. You did say you had some advice for for young military and and you told them about the history of trades and all that. Can you go into that?

SPEAKER_00 1:26:16

Yeah, so there is there are a lot of guys that I have worked with that they they come from backgrounds and it's like they know they want to do something greater, but they're not really sure if college is the right way for them, but they're not really sure what they want to do, but they know they need to get skilled in something. And so they end up joining the military, which I mean it's not a bad thing because some of them come in for the standard reasons of you know, for love of gun country and all the rest of it. And the ideals that they're signing up to go defend in some cases are very much the ideals that I think America was based off of. They believe in the the idea of what this country could become and what its purest manifestation is based on its outline and description in the Constitution, right, as we know it, or at least as it was written. And so I think that there is a percentage of the population that that gets into the game, if you will, specifically for that. There are some other people that trickle in because for you know various other reasons. They're coming from a raft background, they need a new start, any number of things. Some they just they have nothing better to do and they want a free ride. It's unfortunate, but it happens. Those people usually process themselves out pretty quickly, thankfully. Not always, but enough times. But one of the things that I noticed in my time was I had a lot of the same conversation with a lot of my younger soldiers. And it was, you know, I want to do something more beyond this. Thinking about going to college. And my question to them was always, okay, well, what do you want to study in college? And they're like, Well, I don't really know. You know, I just you know, maybe this, that, I don't know. They kind of had an idea, they knew they wanted to. Do something better with their lives. They wanted to do something grander. They weren't exactly sure what their target was. And they're like, well, but you know, I'll get out and I'll use my GI bill and figure it out. And one of the things that I would tell them is specifically is, you know, don't wait until don't wait until you're out and you're on a limited resource with your GI bill to figure out what you want to do. Because by the time you figure it out, you may have used the majority of your GI bill for something that is not ultimately going to be one what you end up studying. So instead, what a lot of soldiers don't know, or at least they're told, but they're not told to what to the level of specifics that I'm about to give to you now. And a lot of that has to do with lack of knowledge and leadership or lack of desire to express this to their subordinates and to those people, I would say, you sicken me, because your job as that individual in that position of leadership is to better those coming up behind you. And if you fail to do that because you can't be bothered with it, then I'm sorry, you you don't you don't belong in there, right? Uh I heard somebody in a position of authority one time, a very intelligent senior non-commissioned officer, say that if you are in more and if you if you love more the power that comes with the rank butchering this. He said, if you are more in love with the power that you hold over the people that you are supposed to serve, then you are no longer fit for leadership the moment that happens.

SPEAKER_02 1:29:42

Well, isn't that kind of like the the martial artist's mindset? Like everyone knows that old joke about you know, don't fuck with the quiet person at a bar. Because they they know they can fuck your shit up, they're comfortable where they stand, but they're they're gonna try to de-escalate it until you push that line, right? Then it's all hands on deck, fuck you. Yeah, a quick controlled, you know, removal or put down or whatever. But I I think a lot of that confidence from actual, you know, you're in that position because you you know your role, you understand the responsibilities of that role, you're not gonna pick a fight for no reason or just neglect it for no reason with aggravated negligence, you know.

SPEAKER_00 1:30:18

Yeah. If if you know you have a skill set, you don't need to constantly peacock around. Yeah. The Jester's cap affords many liberties. Yeah, exactly. No, it does. And so it's like when when you're there for people when they need you to be, it's important. When you hold the line when you need to and enforce standards when you need to, that's fine. And when you're a real person with people when they need it the most, you're going to get more out of them in the long run than you ever would performing any other way. And I don't say that as like a, hey, here's a manipulation tactic, but it's simple human decency in terms of interpersonal connectivity, right? So what I used to tell my soldiers, getting back to the education thing, is that you know, with this, the the military across all branches, too, right? Now it may vary on the branch depending on how many months you have to be in service before you're able to utilize this benefit, but it is afforded to everybody in the military for this. With the army, I know specifically the last time I checked, uh, you have to be in service for 18 months before you're allowed to start using educational benefits or the tuition assistance granted to you each year, right? And I believe the cap is somewhere between 4,000 and 4,500. Um, last I checked. I think that changed, and that's my fault for not looking at that before I open my mouth. But that was the that was the last fiscal limit as of last year, right? So we'll go with that. Now you are allowed to meet with an academic advisor. They'll take you through step by step, figure out, you know, what your path really is, right? So whether college is going to be better for you, whether the trades are going to be better for you based on, you know, really what you want to do. Because in some cases, and a lot of people don't know this, is that, you know, a degree is all well and good. It's fine. There's there's nothing wrong with it so long as you understand how to utilize it. But the thing is, is that while most companies, if it's not something like in the realm of medicine or architecture, most people are not really going to care what you studied. What many of these companies are looking for is can you hang in the pocket long enough to accomplish a goal? Whether it's excuse me, good or bad, right? That's really what they're looking for. But even beyond that, the question is, okay, well, you have a degree. What about certifications? Because the certifications are going to be specific specific training modules that are going to help you understand a skill set that are going to enhance your degree. And in some cases, the certifications are more desired than the actual degree itself. But a lot of people don't know that because the narrative that's been pushed for the last, I mean, certainly in my lifetime, is you have to be you have to go to college to be successful. But we see now with the way the world operates in business that that's not entirely true. So I sit them down and I'm like, all right, look, you know, go talk to a career counselor or go talk to an academic advisor. They're going to walk you through your options, they're going to figure out what it is that you like to do, that you're good at, and help you determine what path is going to be best for you and how to get there, not based on personal conjecture and opinions, but what the market currently demands in the workforce. Now, you know you're going to be on the hook for the government for whatever the length of time of your contract is, right? What a lot of people don't know is that when you sign up for the military, when you when you volunteer for it, the I'll give you an example. So in the Army, when you sign up, no matter the length of time that you initially volunteer for for that first contract, the government technically has a hold on you for eight years. The reason for that is that if something happens, and heaven forbid, they need to recall all their veterans, the government can recall your services up to eight years of that initial signing of the contract. So what I used to tell my soldiers all the time is, especially when they came to reenlist, I'm like, look, I said, no matter what your feelings are, because I'm not, I'm not gonna I'm not gonna try to sell you on the organization, right? You have to be here for the reasons that are specific for you. Right. But what I would say is that since the government's already got a hold of you for eight years anyway, and they're gonna get work out of you, make no mistake about that. Why not demand the same thing from them? Why not leverage that time to reap the full benefits academically and otherwise for that eight-year process? So, in that process, each year, once you figure out the path that you want to take, you could start knocking out these classes one by one. And what this does is let's assume you take a collegiate route and you want to go through the degree process. Well, that annual tuition assistance will allow you to knock out the classes that are mandated by the state that really aren't going to be in your wheelhouse with expertise anyway. Now, we we see these like classes like literature, math, basic science, natural sciences. I mean, you studied at the University of Louisiana, you know what I'm talking about, like state-mandated requirements, right? Well, have the army shell out for those classes so that your GI bill focuses in on the classes that you need for your actual degree, right? Or your level of specialty. And in some cases, too, if I'm not mistaken, that GI bill will actually help you with grad school as well.

SPEAKER_02 1:35:34

And if you stay in there's both departments in a lot of these universities that are you know almost damn solely contracted by the military, especially in things like you know, engineering, psychological research, chemical research. A lot of the STEM is directly contracted with the military. So even if you're not in the military, you'll get an in through it.

SPEAKER_00 1:35:54

Yeah, like I mean, dude, West Point is a is a is a prime example of that too. Even if you're a civilian you apply for it, you get into West Point, they'll teach you through the military doctrine. And then when you graduate, you commission directly into officership, right? So, I mean, it's a thing, 100% is. So the funny thing is, too, is that okay, well, let's assume, well, you know, you might be sitting there and be like, well, Uzel, you know, like uh maybe, maybe college in my thing. What about trades? Well, there are trade programs that will work with the financing options of receiving the GI bill so that you can do that. So if if being more of a hands-on worker is your thing, whether you want to be a diesel mechanic, a welder, an electrician, HVAC plumber, it doesn't matter. All of these are noble quests, all of these are noble ambitions. And I'll tell you why. Because in my lifetime alone, with the push of the narrative that you have to go to college to be successful, what we have developed is a series of people that believe that the only way to the top is through the collegiate setting. The problem with that is, is that if you do not know how to leverage your degree to get your money back to pay off your student loan, you are going to be hosed for a long time. Inversely, if you go through a trade, there's a growing, there's actually still a demand for skilled professionals in these fields, HVAC, welding, plumbing, automotive mechanic working, diesel mechanics. I mean, it'd take your pick, dude.

SPEAKER_02 1:37:17

Well, there always will be. Food doesn't come from grocery stores. This is this is also true.

SPEAKER_00 1:37:22

But the reason why we have such a disparaging gap between the demand and the supply of skilled workers is because of this narrative that they have to go to college and the narrative and kind of the connotation behind the skilled trade programs as they existed in the public schools, but that's for a different discussion entirely. The need and the demand is there. And in the same amount of time that it would take you to go through an apprenticeship or a journeyman program in any one of these skilled trades, you would come out at the other end, you would have a job, you would have your expertise with no student. And by the time that you actually get refined enough, in the same amount of time it takes somebody to get a degree, you are now skilled enough to launch your own business and start your own fleet of any number of trades that you have crafted and perfected. And if you're not there yet, you won't be but one or two years off from being able to do it. You're gonna meet a need in the community, you're gonna create jobs, you're going to have that apprenticeship opportunity to teach the next generation to your standard, especially if you become a master in the skill set that you're in. Like you're gonna be making hand over fist like nobody's business. I think this is what people don't realize too. I worked in the medical recruiting industry for a little bit too, at a college. And I've told, I've even told my soldiers this if you go to school for medicine, it's honorable and it's needed. But I'm gonna let you know now you are going to have public school teachers that are going to make more than you in the first five years of your career because of the cost of malpractice insurance, paying off your student debt, your licensure fees, as well as all the other life expenditures that you have. So on paper, you may be annually pulling in, you know, $100,000 a year, which for a family medicine practitioner, back in 2016, 20, no, excuse me, 2017 and 2018, the national average, the lower 25 percentile was roughly in the $95,000 to $98,000 a year percentile. The upper 25 percentile of that specific field of medicine was roughly about $125,000 a year. Now, again, that's average. There may be some places that would pay you more, there would be some places that pay you less, right? But depending on how and what your specialty was, that would influence what you know you were getting paid annually. But again, you have to think about what interest rates are for student loans and all the rest of it. So, you know, I tell people, I'm like, have this realistic expectation going in and live below your means. Yes, you've come into money, but if you're stupid with it, it doesn't do you any good. And I've even told female friends of mine this. I was like, you may want a guy that makes six figures a year, but the bigger question that you need to ask is, how is he with resources? He may be pulling in half a million dollars a year. But if he's got $450,000 worth of bills he's got to pay in a single year, he's only pulling down $50,000. And even then, you have to look at what expenses he has beyond that. Because the guy that may be pulling down 60 to 70 a year may be much more financially responsible and leagues ahead of the dude that's pulling down more than double what he's making. So you have to be careful with him, but then also see what the market demands and then make your moves off of that.

SPEAKER_02 1:40:46

You know, it's it's funny. I'm kind of like the uh the walking epitome of it's not what you know, it's who you know. And every time I didn't have those contacts, I just dive into a new field and learn from experts and specialists, and eventually it developed this awesome lateral thinking and thirst for knowledge that I have, hence the podcast and all these things. But also, I look at the people who knew people, and most of them don't know shit. But they got into those positions immediately. And and since you have you know a rather lengthy background with both networking and contracting, is there any advice you'd give people on on how to network or how to negotiate a contract or anything like that?

SPEAKER_00 1:41:26

Yeah, so uh there's a couple of different things. One, you have to understand that there's not necessarily a one-size-fits-all, but there are concepts that are universal across the field of interpersonal communication. Now, here's what I mean by this. I'm gonna try to I'm gonna try to not get in the weeds on this one. So I'm going to I'm gonna utilize my own experience within the field of contract negotiations and business networking, because then I can give you specific examples of what worked for me and the methodologies that I utilized in those situations. And from that position, I can speak with a much greater level of confidence. And it may touch on the side of anecdotal, but there are methodologies and procedures if you'll if you'll humor me. By all means. All right, man, sweet. So, okay. When I was in the I was I was in a business for a little bit where the idea of the company was to help small businesses with roughly from two to 49 employees help provide benefits packages for their employees. And the reason why this was important was at the time during the Obama administration, the IRS was coming after small business owners that didn't offer benefits packages to their employees. In fact, they were fining them an estimatingly $1,500 per person per head for every month that they didn't have benefits. Now, I didn't look at this information specifically. I will tell you out front, we had an in-house insurance specialist that had been in the industry for over 20 years, and he would brief us on this. And this guy knew his stuff in and out. The different policies of things like Affleck, the cross move shield. The dude knew knew his stuff. Right. So at the time, it was in a different mentality. I never really thought to question anything he said, but business owners were parroting the concerns that this guy was briefing us on each day. So when I walked in, I would ask these guys, and they were already hesitant to like, you know, salesmen coming through the front door. But I had a methodology of, you know, uh approaching these people. And what I did was I approached them under the guise, not necessarily a guise, because I actually wanted to present them with a solution, but I would approach them with a solution, uh a solution-based orientation or a mindset, if you will, to a specific problem that I knew they had. Well, how do I identify a problem? Well, it was simple. What we did was we utilized the we got our foot in the door with recruiting, and then we opened them up to the other ideas that we, you know, we could help them out with. So I'll give you an example. I was looking through Indeed one day, and I noticed that there were a lot of people in the area that I was working at the time that required concrete setters and you know, foremen and all the rest of it. Well, I looked at these companies, and these job openings had been open for 30 plus days. Well, the guy that's in the office next to me, he was the head of recruiting, still friends with him to this day. And he was able to land these guys left, right, and center. So he was getting concrete professionals about as fast as people, you know, take drinks of water throughout the course of the day. It's probably a bad analogy, but you get what I'm saying. So he was able to pull these people in left, right, and center. So it blew my mind that these companies had job openings where they couldn't find professionals. And these openings had been, you know, uh vacant for more than 30 days. So I would call these companies up and I'm like, hey, I'm calling in regards to this post on Indeed where you guys are looking for the foreman. And they're like, oh, are you interested in applying? I said, well, not exactly. I said, here's the thing. I said, I got a team of guys that fit the bill of what you're looking for. And I said, I don't mean to pull a bait and switch on you, it's introduction. I said, but I'm I'm kind of curious. I said, what struggles have you guys had in finding professionals? And it's amazing because instead of trying to force a pitch on them, what you're asking is, like, hey man, what's your pain point? Like, what's your headache bit? Because I got a team of these guys ready to go. I'm happy to network them with you, but like, there's got to be something else going on here. Because if I can get my hands on him and I don't even run a construction company, what's going on here? And then you would be surprised the amount of times if you ask people, hey, what's the pain point in your business? You will be surprised the amount of information that they will freely and willingly give you. And then from there, what you do is you listen to these. You do active listening. I don't mean just listen to respond, what so many people are used to doing these days. You actively listen to what their pain points are. Because what this is gonna do is it's gonna set a relationship where you're like, hey, listen, I'm curious about this. I think I have a solution for you, but I'm not entirely sure. What are you facing? And then as they give you that information, you're like, yeah, no, I get it. Like we've kind of run into the same thing here. Well, the reason I ask is that I provide service A, B, C, and D. And on the surface, it looks like I can solve it. But again, I don't want to present you with a solution or try to pitch something to you that is going to be of no use to you. And maybe if you guys are having a problem that we've already addressed, maybe I can help you guys out and give you, you know, some advice on what's worked for us. Because now you're providing a service. Now you're providing advice pro bono, and you're saying, hey, I want to help you solve this problem. And in that specific situation, it allowed them to be much more receptive to what I had to say. So when I showed up with a pamphlet saying, hey, we're a new business and we specialize in doing A, B, C, and D, they were like, oh, wow, this is really awesome because this addresses problem point one, two, and three that we've had. I know that they have this problem point. My product doesn't change. But what does is listening to their listening to their pain points, you know which aspects of your service, excuse me, to emphasize in that pitch because you know it's going to relate to them on an issue that they're having. And now you're not just some random sales guy walking in the door trying to pitch them a product they may not need. Now you're the consultant in their desk going, hey man, here's how I'm going to help you save about half a million dollars per month in your business. Like, let's talk turkey. That methodology right there, and actually meeting with the individuals, returning, following up with them, seeing if they have questions, seeing if the guys that you have are going to be a good fit for them, and then saying, hey, man, I understand that if you bring these guys on, it's a risk because you have to spend money to get them onto your plan of health benefits, retirement, whatever the case may be. What I'm saying is, yes, we are a recruiting service, but what this does is this not only fixes your problem, we take care of the vetting for you, we drug test them, we do a screening, we do reference checks. So by the time you guys get them, you're not wasting time, money, and resources on trying to figure out if these guys are worth a day, which is going to, if I calculate this properly, in any given month, save you at least anywhere from $50,000 to $125,000 of time. I was like, what can you do with that money? And they're like, Yeah, that's the entire salary of a foreman. I'm like, exactly. By doing that and building that relationship and asking people, hey, what is your pain point in your business? What's the biggest headache? Asking people about themselves, open-ended questions. Get them talking. Because people love talking about themselves. But what I found is that business owners love talking about their business the good, the bad, and the ugly. Don't go in there and try to sell yourself. Ask questions. Because then, and it works in dating too, funny enough, right? But the biggest deal is too is that when you go in there and you you try to network, ask questions. And when they push back on you, you're like, look, you know, I'm gonna be real with you. I'm in sales, but the fact of the matter is that I don't even know if what I have, I don't even know if you're gonna be right for what I have. Because then it actually, and that's a tactique you can use too, is you push back on them and they're like, oh, well, wait a minute, what do you mean? I'm a business owner. I created something from the ground up. What do you mean I'm not good enough for something? Now, you don't use that with everybody. What I typically did was I use that methodology with the guys who were these old salty construction dogs that were easily in their 60s. And at the time they had some 20 something young buck walking in there trying to tell them what's Now I did know what's up, but I couldn't let them play that game. And I'm like, look, man, like you're taking time out of your day. You could be doing other things to deal with my nonsense. I get that. But here's the thing I have a service and I have a product, and I'm actually trying to figure out if you know you're even the type of people that we can really do business with, because I don't want to waste your time. You frame it in a professional way, but then they're like, then it checks them at the door and challenges their ego. And instead of actually trying to force information out of them, now they give you everything you would want and then some, not because you asked, but because now they have to defend their own ego. And then by the end of it, you're like, hey man, like, dude, I get it. You're like, you know what? That pain point and that pain point, I can tell how pissed off you are at it. I I dude, I can't imagine how much money you're losing on that and how much sleep you're losing over this. Like, I had a client last week that had that issue. And here's what I did for him, and this is the result of it. So again, part of it is you have to be able to read people. You have to be able to network and ask them questions about themselves. So that's the biggest tip that I have for that is you know, if you're in a position where you're trying to go in from a contract negotiation standpoint, don't go in with a solution and try to figure out how that solution is gonna like how your client can fit into that solution. Figure out how you can tailor make that solution to address specific pain points. Because even if there's 20 different things that you can offer as a service, but there are only, and you know every single one of them would benefit the potential client, but you know that they only care about three or four of those things out of the 20, emphasize the importance of fixing those three or four things. Keep hammering it in and driving back the conversation to those points. And then once they sign up, you're like, hey man, by the way, I know that we said that we can address these. We can. I want to let you guys know. We also have options, you know, you know, one through 20 over here, in addition to what you already have, that are going to address any kind of problems that may arise in these fields. We don't have to get into them right now, but just keep that in the back of your mind. Because now it's a benefit of their return of investment because now they're getting much more than they signed up for. And that puts them at ease. So that's how you do it. Like that's what I found success with more of like business negotiation type of stuff in networking. What I found to be really, really successful, if you really want to meet a wide range of people, get plugged into your local chamber of commerce. Right? Because you're gonna run, you're gonna run, yeah, absolutely. I mean, because you're gonna rub elbows with the up-and-coming entrepreneurs, you're gonna run rub elbows with the guys who are staple points of business in the community, and then you're gonna meet elected officials who are gonna know you by name. And then when something crosses the desk, you're like, you know what? We had this new member of the chamber who actually deals in this specifically. Now, the biggest thing that you have to be careful with in that is that there is a tendency in those environments, and I'm sure you've seen this too, Goose, is that they'll start asking you for stuff and expect you not to charge them. And it's like, dude, like I want to help you out, but I ain't about to do this pro bono. Right. Let's be real, and then they take offense to it. So there's a dance that you have to do to where even you can pitch that and get City Hall on your side.

SPEAKER_02 1:53:22

Well, you know, the thing with being just knowledge-oriented, because my thing is I I never particularly want to be, you know, rich, wealthy, or play those stupid games. I understand the need, especially if you have you know families and a product you really want to get out there and you want to do positive change, or even just to secure yourself. But like once my needs are basically met, I just like to learn. I like to meet interesting people. And the one thing I've found on a genuine level, right, outside of the business sphere, that's why I went to the Chamber of Commerce, met these people, went to all these different types of meetings, different organizations, just because shiggles, right? But the the one thing I've found that builds good grace with a lot of them, and this isn't even a ploy, it's just straight up like, hey, I learned this weird bit of knowledge from this person who's a subject matter expert in this thing that didn't really resonate with you know my day-to-day needs or projects that I was working on, but I love the knowledge, right? Like I have profound knowledge on how to clean and fix a gutter in the winter now because I met a really cool dude who knew about that. And and I listened to him and I learned from him. Now that's not particularly useful to me on a daily basis. Have I put into play what he taught me? Yes, but it's also not something that's constantly coming across my desk. However, when I have another friend in disaster management or another friend in insurance that's trying to figure out how to actually balance, you know, what they need to do officially with some advice they can give the people on the ground that'll help them, I'll be like, hey, you should call person A. Person A knows what's going on. This is his whole thing. And there's something beautiful about just being able to connect the right people together and then fuck off. Because at that point, it's not my business. But what I have found in the business sector is that that's a very positive reaction. It's it's almost as significant as remembering someone's name because they don't really demand crazy shit of you if you know you you connected them with someone who directly fixed their problems in a non-commercial way. You know what I mean? It's not genuine.

SPEAKER_00 1:55:32

Absolutely. And and I think there is something to be said about it because you know, when you're at these events, I think, especially mixers too, right? Like networking events and everything else. I I think that there's a certain percentage of the people that are expecting people to constantly sell them and do whatever else. And then when you approach them, they're like, hey man, what do you do? Like, tell me a little bit about it. You know, yeah, it's kind of a cliche question. But, you know, sometimes breaking the ice and building that networking can begin with something as simple as, and hell, I'll give you this tip. And for those of you out there that need it, you can run with this one. You know, walk up to somebody and be like, you know, if they have something on their name tag that kind of gives you an understanding of, you know, what they do, don't just ask the question of, you know, the cliche question of, oh, you know, tell me about your day-to-day or tell me what you do, or oh, that sounds interesting. That's nonsense.

SPEAKER_02 1:56:22

Yeah, I mean, when the warning label goes up, I'm like, this is not gonna be fun.

SPEAKER_00 1:56:26

Exactly. Yeah, it's so cliche.

SPEAKER_02 1:56:30

It's actually one of the main reasons I did this podcast because it it it, I mean, yes, eventually I'm gonna monetize it, not grotesquely, but enough that I can pay my bills and shit, you know, with the the company and the products and all that. But the main reason that, you know, people will look at the the episodes and be like, wait, what the fuck does disaster relief have to do with understanding legislation, have to do with contract? Nothing, not a damn fucking thing. It's just specialists in the field that I can have a good conversation with, have a fun time with my buddies, and also leave something for the audience because God knows there might be someone who's an aspiring debris monitor out there, there might be someone who's you know just getting into contracting out there, and you know, well, I'm not gonna hunt them down individually to help them, if they're tuning into this helps them with professionals in these fields, why the hell not? You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_00 1:57:19

Yeah, and one of the things too I thought you could do, and and I I used to try to do this at mixers because I knew that you know the whole cliche thing of like, oh, what do you do? Tell me a little bit about you, like so overused, right? So if you see some cat that you know is in real estate, you know his company has real estate somewhere on his company logo, which some of these guys will show up as real estate agents, others will actually show up in their company gear and you'll find out they're the owner, right? So you walk up and you're like, you're like, oh yeah, man, housing construction, cool. Yeah, and then I'm something of an expert myself. I uh I watch these two guys out in the middle of the jungle on YouTube build a house out of mud, man. Like, you know, what do you guys? Y'all, y'all know anything about that? And they'll usually laugh, you're like, oh my gosh, like you know those guys use tools. It'll be like, all right, so clearly, I mean, we're much more civilized here. So do you guys like doing residential or like is it commercial, or what's what's your forte?

SPEAKER_02 1:58:12

Well, and then there are other ways it's it's that cigar bar vibe, right? Because it's it's the same thing of just human engagement. Like, for example, everyone knows I'm so sorry for your loss. Nobody likes to hear it, nobody knows what to do with it. For the vets, a lot of my vet buddies, it's thank you for your service, either thank you for your taxes or you were worth it, or some of them get real you know quippy with it because it for a lot of them it's like saying thank you for putting on deodorant, like Mavvy always says.

SPEAKER_00 1:58:36

But these things are you know exactly the people I'm talking about, too.

SPEAKER_02 1:58:40

Yeah, but the the key to it, right, is if you go to a funeral for someone that you you genuinely care for, right, and you see that they're hurt, you you don't leave a casserole and say sorry for your lost. You check in on them, you know, the week after. You don't do that stupid, oh my god, you know, says no, no, no, no. If you really know them, sit down with them when they have a clear space or a minute and all the nonsense is stopped because it is nonsense, it's a hell of a fucking industry. Yeah, you you sit down with them, you take them to lunch, and you bring it up, but you don't bring it up. You know what I mean? Like you don't say, I'm sorry if you're lost, you just say, you know, there was a lot about, let's say it was a mutual, there was a lot about, you know, Linda that I I didn't know because I met her later down the line. But like what were your favorite memories? Or like what was the dumbest thing she ever dragged you into doing, just based off the person that you mutually shared? You know, because that way they're actually thinking about it. It's it's not this write-off of, and I'm not saying this is a manipulation, I'm saying this is a genuine human being because if you lose someone that's close to you, and God forbid some bitch Becky shows up and like, she without nice. No, she wasn't, she was a cunt and she would have smacked you for saying that, right? Just the amount of fake that comes out of people, yeah, dude. If you bring that real and you're genuine with it, it does help them heal. It does actually remember it instead of just you know writing them off as I'm so sorry for it's it's dismissive, and I understand it's it's hard to know what to say. And sometimes if you're not particularly close, you have to, but if you are close, you owe them better.

SPEAKER_00 2:00:15

You do, and you know what I mean. One of those things too. I was just thinking about this, you know, a situation. It's like if you have a if you have a family friend where like their father dies or something, you've had you've hung out with their dad before on any kind of like social level, or if you're close to that family member, you know, you it sometimes something as simple as sitting down next to the person you're really close to and looking at them and going, you know, we had a tea time last week. Like, I understand he was afraid of playing me, but he didn't have to go to this far. Like, you know, something like that where it's like, okay, well, like you know they're sad and you're sad with them, but it's like they're like, Oh, oh my god, yeah, because you're like keeping them alive as a person with an identity and not just a corpse. Be like, bro, he's he's flaked out on appointments before. It didn't mean you have to go off and pull this stunt. Golly, man, successful.

SPEAKER_02 2:01:01

Like the same type of thing applies, especially with like businesses that are run by old families with you know, well-bred sci ons and type of deal. Yeah, like one of my uh my buddies down in Louisiana's family-owned a construction company. And I was asking him, you know, like what tips his grandfather used, the man had just passed, but I said, like, how did he know who to recruit? How did he know how to get for good quality? He said, Well, my grandfather would take people who applied out to lunch at his favorite restaurant, right? Old, old Italian family, and he had one simple test. If anyone he took out to that restaurant reached for the salt and pepper to put on their food before they tried it, no, he didn't hire them. I no, man, especially not with Italians, you don't do that crap. Absolutely not. But that's what I'm saying. If you run into these old families, right, these these old businesses, especially these curmudgeonly construction people that built it from the ground up, ask them that. Be like, hey, what's what's what's your trick? What's your method? Because it's usually something you don't think about. It's you it's sometimes it's a cultural thing, sometimes it's a personal thing. But also, you start wrapping up these methods, even if you're not Italian. Hey, that tells you who's gonna act impulsively, absolutely, who's gonna test the situation? Like it's all very, very brilliant shit simplified into nuance. It's amazing to me. That's the shit I love to gather. It's just it's it's rendering human behavior where where you're just mixing, you know, praxeology and and sociology to a predictable level that's it's gonna tell you everything you need to know, but it's also not manipulative. Yeah, you know what I mean? You're giving them full free will to do it.

SPEAKER_00 2:02:38

I don't remember the business uh tycoon that I heard say this. It might have been Patrick Vet David. He's a first generation American, his family's from Iran, and he's built he has a podcast, but he he approaches the day-to-day news from a okay, how is this going to affect the markets? What is this gonna look like from business inventors or investors? What is this gonna look like for the American economy type of thing, as opposed to you know, political spin? Well, there is some politics that get involved in that. He's got a panel of you know, him himself, him himself, he built a business up into I think it was like some 300 million and then he sold it. And now he's got another series of conglomerate businesses that kind of intertwine with one another. So he's done quite well for himself for first generation, served in the army for four years, really business-minded, talks about the way he raises his kids, all that stuff. But it might have been him or somebody that he had on his his show, but it was the same kind of thing. It was like, you know, when you're figuring out who you're gonna do business with, he's like, I take my wife with me. He's like, especially for like mixers and whatever else. He's like, and I'll be like, Oh yeah, you know, tell tell the missus to come, you know, the girls can sit in there and hang out in the carts, and you know, we'll play golf and whatever else. He's like, the reason I do that, he said, is that my wife is in on this. He's like, and she'll watch how the dude plays golf. So if he tries to cheat or like drop the ball, be like, yeah, I'm just gonna do this because of whatever, and I don't see it, she'll come back and tell me, be like, don't do business with him. Why? Well, let's see on this whole whatever here, he dropped that and he didn't really say anything to the whole group. So if he's okay with like, you know, kind of pushing an extra stroke underneath the uh the rug for you guys in a in a professional, you know, casual game, what's he gonna do when the chips are down? Right. And it's it's a strange thing.

SPEAKER_02 2:04:25

Very simple thing these days, and I I have to kind of exclude for the age gap, but you know how certain types of language is infectious, which is why we made urban dictionary, like for example, oh my god, I'm dead, like that dumb shit. Yeah, intrinsically, now, unless you were absolutely raised with it and it was you know birthed into your vernacular, if you're Gen A or or Z or whatever the fuck it is, right? Like you grew up onto the internet. If you're someone who's not and you use that, or anything like that, or even you know, oh my god, I'm I'm I'm dead, I'm I'm cackling, I'm this, I'm that, you're clearly not while you're saying that, right? Now, here's my thing, and and a lot of people think that I'm overreaching when I say this, but I'm sorry I stand on it. If your tongue is that, and this is solely for people who know better that have adapted this vernacular later on in life, right? Yeah. If your tongue is that worn down with a casual silver lie that it's become a colloquialism to you outside of a formal event, outside of somewhere where you may be networking with that type of person, if that is your casual vernacular, I don't fucking trust you.

SPEAKER_00 2:05:31

Yeah, exactly.

SPEAKER_02 2:05:32

100% because you're bleeding lies casually to the point where you don't even notice it. You're training yourself to lie, and there's a bigger problem where society is training people to lie, because we've gotten past the metaphors and the malaphores, but just at that level, it's immediately like either you're very easily influenced by society or you're prone to false adaptation, or you're gonna be a liar, and you test after that to see a little more, but like that's a big red flag for me. If someone who's 35 starts using that language, I'm like, yeah, okay. Well you watch them, you see some things that are just off, and you're like, uh is that training? Is that your background? Is that you might say this ironically or not?

SPEAKER_00 2:06:11

Or what are you doing? Yeah, yeah. Because it's it's one thing, and you can usually pick up pretty quickly on whether or not somebody's using you know common vernacular for like comedic purposes. But if they're dead serious about it, you're like, Yeah, homie, you're you're you're not about to play on the same.

SPEAKER_02 2:06:26

Well, there's there's also words that have certain impacts on it.

SPEAKER_01 2:06:29

I don't know.

SPEAKER_02 2:06:30

And I I try to tell people this all the time. Like you can use thank you casually, but only if you're detached from it or you truly mean it. Because psychologically, what that does to your subconscious is it implies a debt to that person. Yes. When people casually use words like wish, I mean, I I think of it, you know, almost through fay rules. It's like giving your your whole government name to a fairy in Ireland in the 1400s and saying, oh, nothing's gonna happen. Like assuming fairies were real, but you know, whatever example you want here. I mean, it is it was just Pride Month, so we saw plenty of them, but I know what you're doing.

SPEAKER_00 2:07:04

Oh god. Sorry, it was right there in the crosshairs, brother. I had to do it.

SPEAKER_02 2:07:09

It's a perfect example, too, because the people who are most prone to these lines are affecting fake personnel. It's like, oh my god, how are you? That's the equivalence of the Paris Hilton baby voice. That's the equivalence of the the transit, it's not a real thing, it's not an identity, no, it's a constructed falsehood. Now, if you're using that in your business life for necessity, I understand that you can disarm a woman very quickly at a bar if you want someone to hang out with a oh my god, you're so pretty. Your shoes match your eyes. Come on, bet you're going drinking. Now, mind you, that's back when I was in my 20s, but it worked.

SPEAKER_00 2:07:39

Don't I mean if it don't I mean don't knock it if it works. I mean, even Dave Chappelle spoke on this.

SPEAKER_02 2:07:45

But that's my point. If you use those things when they're not necessary, right? Or if you use them haphazardly, or if you casually lie off the tongue for no reason, just like cheating in that golf game. I'm keeping my eye on your ass. And that's if I gotta be around you. If not, I'm just gonna walk past.

SPEAKER_00 2:08:04

It's like, bro, if you can't even carry out a gentleman's game casually while you're discussing business and opportunity on stuff like that, what what makes you think I can trust you when the chips are actually down? You know, and it was like I was alluding to a moment ago. It's like Dave Chappelle made a joke about this in the early 2000s, and I was younger, I didn't fully understand it at the time, not to the degree that I do now. I understood why it was funny, and I understood who and what he was making fun of. But he has this one bit where he goes, he's like, You ever met somebody that's like so fake? He's like, You become fake just in the response when they walk up and they're like, Oh my god, how are you doing?

SPEAKER_01 2:08:38

You're like, Oh my god, hi.

SPEAKER_00 2:08:39

He's like, What the hell? I don't even talk like that. Like, what the he goes, you gotta be careful with people like that. He said, I'd much rather, you know, somebody actually give me the you know, the courtesy extension and be real with it. It'd be like, hey man, what's going on? Like it's monotone, but you know they mean it, right? As opposed to, oh hey, how are you doing? Like, you can have people that are excited about that, but there's also an undertone that when you know what you're doing, you can tell when people are disingenuous with it. And I've gotten to a point too where I I I and this started coming out, and I just I I just started running with it because I think it put people on heel. And especially if I got, you know, I don't want to say vibe because I don't want to sound like some basic white girl, but like within the context of it's like you meet people and you get a certain vibe off of them, and they're like, Oh man, how are you doing? And I'll flat out ask them. I'm like, well, uh, do you want the uh the answer that saves face, or do you actually want the real brief? And they're like you meet people living the dream. Yeah, exactly. And they're like, and I've had people tell me it's necessary sometimes, to be fair.

SPEAKER_02 2:09:37

Like I tell people all the time, don't drop all of your information on the internet because there's crazy people. If you argue heated things, it's not safe for you. It's a dumb idea that adds risk.

SPEAKER_00 2:09:47

But like, other than that, like, yeah, no, and there's no reason 100%.

SPEAKER_02 2:09:53

Oh, I I forgot to ask you. I I do I do ask everyone that's also kind of is there anything that you want to promote, any business interests you have, any products, anything that you want to throw out for yourself, you're more than welcome to do so.

SPEAKER_00 2:10:05

I appreciate that. No, for right now, I don't have anything uh substantial. There are some projects that I have up in the rafters that I've been working on for the last few years. Those are more on loftier business ideals and goals that I want to execute on after I'm done doing the line of work that I'm doing now. I thought it was gonna be relatively straightforward and simple, and I started researching the market, and I was like, oh, this is gonna be a little bit more hands-on than I really can afford right now, so I don't know about this. No, the only projects that I really have available and and really I'm working on right now are with uh a small team of folks that I do commentating and and reporting on in the evening on TikTok, and it's it's really just something to kind of keep my hands free. Yeah, exactly. Uh, you know, and uh it's it's something special for each one of them that kind of brings the community together. Uh some taglines, some catchphrases, some inside jokes, just kind of keep me active and whatever else, but nothing really big right now.

SPEAKER_02 2:11:00

But uh so we are we are running wrong. This might actually be the longest podcast we've done, but you know what? It's it's been a hell of a time, and I absolutely don't regret it. And I do want you to come back to talk about the Chinese education, your your experiences abroad, if that's all right with you.

SPEAKER_00 2:11:13

Absolutely, absolutely no, and I and I feel like if this is a long one, you know, I I need to apologize for being over.

SPEAKER_02 2:11:19

Oh no, no, no, no. Once once the editing and everything goes down, I'll probably be like an hour and 30, 40 minutes or so.

SPEAKER_03 2:11:26

Yeah, good.

SPEAKER_02 2:11:27

Get rid of that coughing fit too, because I think at one point in time I want to go drop. I mean, there's some very solid advice in here, you know, there's beautiful advice, good conversation, and we're probably gonna get a lot of feedback on the COVID shit, but I'm sorry, like even if you're for vaccines, even if you're for these things, you you have to acknowledge, and again, I say this all the time you have to acknowledge who stands to gain. Now, that doesn't mean that they caused the incident or the problem or any of these things on purpose. It just means that they'll capitalize off it. And a lot of fields will do this from government to messaging to marketing, just because it's an opportunity, and they'll take it.

SPEAKER_00 2:12:00

Well, that's basically no, it is. And unfortunately, in a situation like that, I again, no matter how you feel about the COVID situation, we need to look at this as a matter of, it's not a matter of how you feel. It's what is the information about this? Because you have a large percentage of the American population, no matter what you think about this, that was negatively affected by this in one way, shape, form, or fashion, or the other. Some of it was political and career assassinations and terminations. Others, it was livelihood, others it was credibility, others, it was their lives. And I think that there needs to be a solid look at the level of accountability that went along with that, you know, and even if it because right now we see a great disinterest and distrust with the American people in certain organizations that they long since believed had their best interest at heart. Right. So I think if we really wanted to correct the course and get an a re-established baseline of trust when you talk to people because if you don't talk about it at fastest. You have to talk about it, but even more so than that, Goose, you need to start holding these people accountable. Fauci, primarily, most of all, which I know is gonna be a task in and of itself. But it's like you don't even get them on the AIDS crisis. You do, you do. But the problem is too, is that then you're gonna run into the issue of statutes of limitations, and then okay, well, what does the immunity here in the states mean for him? Can you bust him on a state charge? Exactly. You need to have accountability, and I think if you actually start having people get brought before judicial proceedings or go through the judicial proceedings, even if it's to probe, even if it's to try to nail something to it'll restore faith beyond here and it'll be a restorative step in the right direction, I believe so. Yes.

SPEAKER_02 2:13:43

I agree. Any closing thoughts before we wrap up here?

SPEAKER_00 2:13:48

Hey man, listen, no matter what your political affiliations are, just remember, you know, presidents come and go, but Wu-Tang is forever. And ever in doubt, just remember Jeffrey Epstein's youngest victim was still older than uh Muhammad's wife. Yeah. So there you go, man. Greatest country on earth. We're not perfect, but she's ours, man. Just keep powering.

SPEAKER_02 2:14:08

It's the worst country in the world, except for all the other ones.

SPEAKER_00 2:14:11

Exactly. Exactly, man. No, but this is fun, man. Thanks for having me on. Thanks for putting up my long-windedness and over-an-white. No, it's wonderful. Thank you for joining us. Have a good day. Yeah, man. You too.

unknown 2:14:26

Bye.

SPEAKER_02 2:14:28

So I almost forgot here, as Oozel is military, that he will be joining us at some point for the military circle jerk Mondays. And I really completely forgot to have him just throw a fireball at everyone else to begin this. Mr. Oozel, can you uh just repeat what you've told me a few times now?

SPEAKER_00 2:14:43

Yeah, yeah. So I think uh one of the biggest reasons why the army and the Marines have such like a love-hate relationship is it's more closely related to like brotherly love and rivalry because we know that we're the only two branches that actually have real PT standards. Phenomenal.

SPEAKER_02 2:15:00

And with that, we look forward to military circle, Dirk Monday. Cheers. One of our longer podcasts, but a damn good one with a lot of great information. And yeah, that's that's that's our oozel. Always there and full of secrets and knowledge. It's a good man. So as always, I gotta sign off and say check out the Codex Politica, leave a review. That helps Amazon re-up for logistics purposes. We've already sold out once. The hub site, as always, has everything else in it the Privy Council, the Chamber Pot, you can get just about anywhere. You know where the podcast is because you're currently on it. But if you haven't seen the hub site, go check it out. Also, we have an X, a Substack, and yeah, I think that's about it. We'll see you tomorrow.