From Survival to Purpose: Childhood Trauma, Military Service & the RISE Method with Shirly Rivera | Elevate Within

"You're not on a path to change. You're on a path to find the woman you already are but have forgotten."

What does it actually take to move from surviving to truly healing? Today's guest, Shirly Rivera, author, speaker, certified emotional transformation coach, Army veteran, and founder of the Lumina App and the RISE Method knows that journey better than most.

Born in El Salvador, Shirly survived childhood domestic violence and trauma before joining the U.S. Army at 17, serving in Iraq and Afghanistan, and rising to sergeant before the age of 21. For years, she believed that if she achieved enough, accomplished enough, and became successful enough, she would finally feel worthy of love. It took her years to realize that survival and healing are not the same thing.

In this deeply honest and wisdom-filled conversation, Shirly shares:

→ How childhood trauma shaped her survival instincts and drove a lifetime of people-pleasing and perfectionism 

→ The four trauma responses — fight, flight, freeze, and fawn and why fawn is the one we rarely discuss 

→ Why you can't have beautiful fruit when the roots are rotted 

→ The RISE Method: Reconnect with your story, Integrate mind and body wisdom, Shift limiting beliefs, Embody the woman you were always meant to be 

→ What happens in your body when you ignore emotional signals for too long 

→ One simple morning practice and box breathing technique to reconnect with yourself today 

→ What people misunderstand most about healing and personal transformation

"If a dream is already in your heart, it's because it's meant for you. Walk towards her, she is already in you."

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🌐 Website: www.shirlyrivera.com/en 

📱 Lumina App & Reclaiming Your Light series: www.shirlyrivera.com/en 📲 Instagram: @shirlyrivera_coach

Resources mentioned: 📚 Reclaiming Your Light — 3-book self-guided series ($89 ebooks | $147 with Lumina App access for life)

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Transcript

SPEAKER_00 0:00

What do people misunderstand most about healing and personal transformation, in your opinion?

SPEAKER_02 0:05

That you have to become someone new. That you are on the path to change. You're on the path to find the woman that you already are. But you have forgotten her because you want to be perfect. You want the world to see a version of you that is not flawed. We're all flawed. We're all imperfect. And that's what makes us beautiful. That's what makes us who we are.

SPEAKER_00 0:50

This is a space for honest conversations about reinvention, resilience, healing, leadership, and what it really takes to rebuild from the inside out. It's about letting go of who you thought you had to be so you can become who you were always meant to be. Whether you're navigating burnout, grief, identity shifts, career transitions, entrepreneurships, caregiving, or simply asking yourself, what's next? You are not alone. So take a breath, pull up a chair, and join us at the table. This is Elevate Within. Sometimes the hardest person to find isn't someone else, it's ourselves. The version of us that exist before the expectations, before the responsibilities, before the roles we played, before survival became second nature. Many women spend years becoming everything everyone else needs them to be. And somewhere along the way, they lose connection with their own voice, their own truth, their own light. Today's guest has dedicated her work to helping women find their way back. I'm honored to introduce Shirley Rivera. Shirley is an author, speaker, certified emotional transformation coach, and founder of the Lumina app. Through her work, she helps high-achieving women reconnect with their story, integrate mind and body wisdom, release limiting beliefs, and embody the version of themselves they were always meant to become. Drawing from more than 16 years of leadership experience and extensive training in emotional wellness, nervous system regulation, personal development, and purpose-driven living, Shirley creates transformative spaces where women can heal, grow, and reclaim their light. What I appreciate most about Shirley's work is that it reminds us that healing isn't about becoming someone new, it's often about remembering who we were all along. Shirley, welcome to Elevate Within.

SPEAKER_02 3:24

Oh, Sandy, thank you for that beautiful intro. I'm like, who is she? I want to meet her. It's you.

SPEAKER_03 3:33

It's you and what you do.

SPEAKER_02 3:34

Thank you so much for that. Um, yes, Shirley Rivera here. It's an honor to be here. And that sounds wonderful. And the titles are so important to open doors for us. But before any of those titles, I just want to say that I'm a woman who spent so many years learning how to turn survival into healing and pain into purpose. A little about myself, I was born in El Salvador, I grew up in El Salvador until I was 12. And a little statistic: six of ten children in El Salvador experience domestic abuse or witnessed some sort of domestic violence, abuse, trauma. And I mentioned that because my story I've been told is impactful. Like, how did you live through that? But so many kids have to do it, and that's why I created the work that I do because I learned early how to survive when a child shouldn't have to do that. But I'm not the only one. I know there are others like me out there that are trying to survive. Yes, right. And I didn't realize that survival and healing are not the same thing. We carry all that with us. Surviving abuse, my father, uh becoming an adult too early, and living the tender age, the tender years without a mother, and understanding what that love should feel like or be like, you know? So to me, that that experience, that childhood taught me how to survive. But for years I believed that I if I achieved enough, if I accomplished enough, if I became successful enough, I would finally feel worthy of love. So it what was that? That was hypervigilance, perfectionism, people pleasing, achievement-driven worthiness. So that constant need to prove yourself. That's what life looked like for me. And at 17, I started the military chapter. I joined the army because I needed structure in my life, and I needed to take back control because I didn't have any control growing up. So I thought, oh, I'm gonna, I need structure, I need a purpose, but I didn't know where it was going. I served in Iraq, I served in Afghanistan, and I learned about leadership under pressure. I learned discipline, I learned resilience, and I learned responsibility. But all this time I was still trying to prove myself. I was still trying to say, maybe I didn't know it at the time, but dad, look at me. I am enough, I am worthy, you know. That was something that I carried with me. And that just made me realize how fragile life really is and how important it is to live intentionally through what I needed. And I didn't know that at the time, you know. So yeah.

SPEAKER_00 6:36

Wow. So um, you in the military, you're always trying to prove yourself, and I think, you know, I'm so happy that you shared that. It was like you internally, that inner child was like, Daddy, look at me. I am worthy, I am lovable, you know, look at that stress.

SPEAKER_03 6:57

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 6:58

Right. So, you know, many women spend years becoming who they think they're supposed to be. What beliefs, expectations, or conditions did you have to unlearn during that season?

SPEAKER_02 7:11

Wow. So a little scientific fact here that shaped my life was your prefrontal cortex is not formed until the age of seven or eight, depending on your development. That is what allows you to differentiate right from wrong, truth from lies. And you don't learn that until the age of eight. So imagine all the things you heard when you were a child that you internalized and that turned into your personality, that you think that it's who you were you were supposed to be. That's just how I am. No, you learn that when my father said you'll never amount to anything, you're worthless. All that that he told me before the age of seven, I took that as truth. I took it at face value, and I had to sit with myself and unlearn that I was good enough. Unlearn that I wasn't good enough and tell myself I am good enough. Unlearn that I would never amount to anything, and learn that I can do anything that I put my mind to. You know, so all those nervous system resets, all those healing practices, all those courses that I took to help myself turned into this program that I now teach, that I now lead, because I was trying to prove to myself that I am worthy, I am good enough. You know, that's how it started because of that pain that I was carrying without even knowing that it was under the surface, just bubbling up like I have to keep busy, I have to do more. I just finished this course. Okay, cool. No time to celebrate because of what's next. We don't even allow ourselves a time to connect and say, thank you. You did so good. You you just completed that degree, you just completed that certification, but no, it's not good enough. We keep pushing that finish line, we keep pushing that that worthy certificate, you know, like, oh, once I take the next course, I'll be good enough. You know, we keep pushing that finish line because we're trying to erase those words that we heard when we weren't old enough to realize that it's not true.

SPEAKER_00 9:27

Right, right. Tell us a little bit more about your practice and you know how you help women.

SPEAKER_02 9:34

Yeah. So in my journey to healing, I founded it started as a movement called Rice Bria Uplift. My background, I'm Hispanic, right? So I wanted to merge both of my cultures into Rice, which is my methodology, R-I-S-E, where I reconnect with your story, integrate mind and body wisdom, shift limiting beliefs, and embody the woman that you were meant to be, the woman you are deep inside, underneath all that noise before the world told you who you were supposed to be. That is my methodology. That is the rice part of rice. Bria is when you find yourself, you can shine because you shine from within. And then uplift is because I want us to uplift the woman coming behind us, the womans to our left and right, and the womans that were ahead of us, but never got the chance to learn this because they lived in a different environment in a different era. So that's what it started as Rice Bright Uplift. Now it's Lumina because everything centers around light, the light that we have within. And that's always resounded, that's always been drilled into me that we have our inner light, that we just have a few cobwebs that we have to push out of the way so we can truly shine. So my program is I offer one-on-one coaching. It's a 12-week program where we go through those frameworks of the Rice framework, where we reconnect with our story and we learn how to empower our story, not let us drag us down, but actually use it as a stepping stone where we can say that was my past. It did affect who I am today, but it's not going to affect what I do with my life going forward with my future, because I get to choose what my future looks like. So learning all those, where did this belief come from? Who said it to me? You know, reconnecting with your story from a place of power, becoming the adult that you wish you would have had to save that inner child, you know? Wow. And then you integrate all those systematics, um your nervous system resets. That's when we go into those beliefs. We integrate the breathing techniques, all of the things that your nervous system needs to feel safe, because our brain is conditioned to keep us safe. Our nervous system is conditioned to keep us safe. If we don't feel safe, we can't function. And our ego is not what people think, like, oh, she's so egotistical. No, our ego is also designed to keep us safe. So whenever we're pushing ourselves forward, whenever we're reaching our next level, our ego is like, wait, wait, we're not safe anymore. I don't want you to get hurt. If you go and expose yourself to that group of people and put yourself out there, you might get hurt, you might get rejected. So it's like, let's not, let's not grow. So it keeps us in that bubble, in that cage, you know, and it's not out of malice, it's just to protect us because that's what it's meant to do. So we learn how to deal with that ego, how to deal with that nervous system. And then we shift those limiting beliefs that we learned in our early years and that we learn growing up, that we learn in our teenage years when we got rejected for the first time, you know, that we're like, ugh, I don't want to put myself out there so we keep ourselves safe, you know. And then once we learn all that, we embody the the she, the her, the goddess within, you know, and and we are like, I am here, look at me.

SPEAKER_00 13:24

Yep. Woman hear me roar.

SPEAKER_02 13:27

Yes. So we have the one-on-one program that's 12 weeks, and then we also I understand not everyone's ready to share your story, not everyone's ready to put yourself out there, and that's completely okay. You go at your own pace. So I created, which just launched yesterday. I created the uh reclaiming your light experience self-guided. So yeah.

SPEAKER_00 13:51

Congratulations, first of all, on the launch. So congratulations. Yeah, walk us through that.

SPEAKER_02 13:57

Yeah, so it's a series of three books. Um, and it is the framework of my coaching program, the one-on-one, but recreated so you can do it on your own at your own pace in the comfort of your home without having to have that coach leading you. It's just you making that connection with yourself, with your soul, and going at the speed that you need to go. It's three ebooks that you can download, or you can do my Lumina app, which comes with the three ebooks, it comes with guided meditations, it comes with nervous system resets that walk you through when you're going through a rough day. And you can download it that way as well. It's just you get access to it for life, and uh it's 147 for the three books and the luminate access, or it's $89 for just the three ebooks.

SPEAKER_00 14:48

I could use that, but I I still I still find myself spiraling at times. Um, I think for for most women, um, and I've spoken about it on other podcasts and and on here as well, where when we're talking about that musty metal with women, it is cyclical, right? It's not like a one and done, um, which is why this platform and why I wanted to do this. It's a matter of educating women, one, of like, hey, we need to start feeling. Two, we need to start recognizing the signs of the burnout or the signs of we're losing ourselves, our identities, because I think that is imperative and something that I've lacked personally, not really understanding what that looked like, right? How that affected my body physically, you know, what the pains and getting sick, because we're always on the go, go, go. It's a matter of like, okay, well, then let's start talking about it, where a woman's ear will perk up, be like, wait a minute, I do that. Wait a minute, I'm going through that. And then it's like, okay, this is what I'm going through. How do I get out of it? So I always love having women like you on to then teach women like myself and others, like, okay, now that I understand I'm displaying signs of burnout, identity, um, losing myself, what do I have to do to kind of step, you know, step back and heal and unlearn the behaviors, the conditions from our ancestors, you know, our mom, our grandmothers, and stuff like that. It's those voices when we were little that those are the first triggers, you know, especially coming from your dad. And how that affect you personally and like relationships or being in the military, because you're pretty much surrounded by men, right? So, how did that affect you and what practice did you use to step out of yourself and reclaim who you are and understanding of getting out of that survival mode?

SPEAKER_02 17:02

So yeah, how did I survive before learning how to survive? Um I I took one of the survival approaches from that your nervous system chooses. We have fight flight, um, we have fawn and we have freeze. These last two we rarely talk about. I went full mode into fawn. That means people pleasing, that means making sure everybody's okay and adjusting my personality in each scenario so everybody in the room will be happy, making sure that, oh, how are you feeling? Okay, I'm let's let's let's take care of you that way. You are okay. So everything is okay around me. So I lived years and and and it wasn't that it wasn't coming from the heart because I've always been a very genuine person and happy within the parameters of what I knew was happiness, but I always had to make sure uh that I took care of everybody else um to keep the peace. So from um my military career making sure everybody around me was okay, which made me a good soldier, a good teammate. Uh it made me progress through the ranks pretty fast because my emotional intelligence was because you have to know. Yep. You have to know what others want and how to read body language so you can be a people pleaser, so you could take care of others. So I learned from an early age the signs of when my dad was mad, when my mom was sad, when my sisters were sad, when my sisters were upset or fearful. So that was engraved into my survival instincts. So being in the military, I knew when somebody was not their best, so I would check on them. I knew when a situation was about to escalate, so I would de-escalate it, you know? So that's how I survived. That's how I made myself indispensable in situations. That's how I made a sergeant before I turned 21. So I was in charge of people much older than me. I was the the ones that everybody wanted on their team because she was a team player, she's a great follower, she's a great leader, and I was just surviving.

SPEAKER_00 19:31

I can resonate with that so much. It is that survival of like, you have to be aware of how the others is feeling. Like if they're having a bad day, off day, so you know how to navigate, and then come with that nurturing of you know, trying to diffuse the situation. And I think for me, it was also like I didn't want them to lash out on me. I didn't want them to take it out on me. So that's why I was like, hey, let me be the nurturer to you. Let me let me make sure that you know that I see you and you know, I I'm on your side, but that whether it was genuine or not, for me, I think some of the time it was just like, hey, I have to play this role in order to make sure I'm safe.

SPEAKER_02 20:16

Yes. But that takes emotional intelligence to know that you were doing that to survive. Some of us do it on autopilot, and it comes, it doesn't come from a bad place, it doesn't come from being disingenuous, it just comes from, like you said, you want to be safe, but that is your subconscious already acting without you knowing. So sometimes people do that without knowing, and like, and that's why I said it's not disingenuine, it's they they're happy doing that, happy because they haven't learned anything else. When I learned that I was people pleasing to the core, it was mind-blowing for me. But I am grateful that I took that approach rather than fight, you know, fight or flight. Is there like the ones that the confrontation, the constant need for confrontation, you know, and that's how your body survives because you know, you were taught you had to be the strong one, the alpha in the room, you had to take over. So each of us take on a survival pattern, a survival mode that fits us best to, like you said, survive.

SPEAKER_00 21:19

Yeah, yeah. That means that means a lot, and that understands. And I didn't know about Fawn. So thank you for introducing that. Like a lot of people, I don't think, understand that. You talk about reconnecting women to their story. Why is understanding our story such an important part of healing?

SPEAKER_02 21:38

You can't fix what you don't know, and it's not about fixing, but it's about understanding what caused you to act the way that you do now. So I never use the word fix in my in my program in my life because we're not broken, but to connect the women that think that they are to the story I want to I have to first speak the language that they speak before I can retrain that that I'm broken you know so you cannot change what you don't know right so how why do I why do I get upset when this person does this why do I get upset when I'm late why do I get upset when I can't take the first place everywhere you know why does that trigger me where did that come from I think reconnecting with your roots allows you to bloom and allows the fruit to be at its peak performance you know you can't you can't have beautiful fruits when the roots are rotted you can start by painting the like like my one of my old bosses used to say putting lipstick on the pig right that's not the the fix right that's just aesthetics that's not fixing the problem so if you don't understand what's causing the fruit to rot you can't fix it you're never gonna have that beautiful fruit if we don't start by nurturing the root right right that makes so much sense yeah that makes so much now that you put it it's just like yeah that makes a lot of sense with something we don't think about fruits right yeah which we don't think about because we're going through the motions or you know we're trying to ignore our past because it you know it's not safe right we don't want to relive it it's messy very messy very messy um but how you eloquently put that that makes a lot of sense I'm I'm learning as I so I was just like yep nope she's right she's good you're good many high achieving women are excellent at performing producing and pushing through what happens when we ignore the emotional signals our body has been trying to send to us we're putting a lid on the on the pot for so long that one moment we just explode and we don't know where it came from your body knows where it came from your body remembers even though we're trying to hide the story we're trying to um appease the story appease the emotions appease the feeling but that burnout that numbness it goes somewhere it's just pushing down and pushing down and then one day you're just crying in your car you are crying in the shower you are um going off on someone for something small and you're like where did that come from yeah those are all the years that you've been suppressing your emotions so it comes out that way or you just completely go numb and you're just you stop feeling you stop connecting you stop you start functioning and going through the motions but you're no longer happy in the way that is you you're no longer you you are performing and that's why it it's such an empty feeling and I've been there going through the motions and I have a wonderful family I have support I have a child that I prayed for for five years and I thought what do I have to be ungrateful for I should not be crying I should not be feeling this way but that that overperformance that I expected so much from me because I couldn't fail I could not allow myself to fail I had to be number one if I wasn't in the top 10% of everything I ever did I was failing. That was engraved in me as a child too if you don't get first place don't come home you know so how do we deal with all that and we are the ones expecting so much from ourselves nobody else is expecting that we're like oh my god I'm failing at being a mother with whose standards who placed those standards on us we did it's a condition comparing ourselves yes it's a condition we're comparing ourselves to that mom on Instagram that has four children and a perfect body and the perfect nails and the perfect hair and the perfect husband and how is she doing all that you see 10 seconds of their lives and you think you're failing because your life is not like hers. What's going on behind cameras? You cannot compare yourself against the world you compare yourself against you how you were yesterday and the fact that you gave 20% when you had 10% to give you overachieved that's all you had and you gave more than you had so just look at yourself in the mirror and thank yourself for getting out of bed today if that's all you have you know you cannot compare yourself to anybody else other the other than the version of you that you were when you couldn't get out of bed.

SPEAKER_00 27:19

There's a lot of wisdom you have there's a lot of wisdom and it is so needed and you know it's conversations like this where you would think it's so obvious you know and there is a lot of women that will watch certain shows or go online and and watch other people's lives and be like damn you know how come I'm not like that which I think in a way some people will watch those toxic reality shows where their life is always spiraling you know and it's like that opposite effect was like oh their life is way worse than mine so I feel a little bit better but it's the same concept the same uh feelings that you have when you watch someone that has the perfect life and it's that yearning of like I gotta compare I have to do better. Um we are our worst critic and I also think that is also conditioned um we were taught we have to work harder we have to be smarter in order to be on the field to have a seat at the table meanwhile we are burning inside we are losing our shit and it it just doesn't make sense right so I I love the aspect of the work that you're doing and what it's so needed. What's one simple practice women can begin using today to reconnect with themselves?

SPEAKER_02 28:54

Oh my goodness um asking yourself every morning what do I need what do you need honestly something as simple as what do I want to listen to when I'm in the car driving to work in the morning we don't ask ourselves what we need. We always ask ourselves what do I have to get done today what do I have to achieve today but change that and ask yourself what do you need today and let that guide you let that feeling guide you that day you're gonna see a shift so big because you are prioritizing yourself in one moment and let's ask yourself also how are you waking up today? How are you waking up in the morning what is the first thought that comes to your head is it a negative thought shift it thank you universe thank you mother earth thank you God whatever you believe in thank you for allowing myself allowing me to wake up this morning gratitude is the fastest way to shift your energetic vibrations your energetic field it is the fastest way to go from here to here gratitude just what are you thankful for in this moment thank you for my hands because I can hold my child thank you because I can walk when there are thousands millions of people in this earth that cannot walk thank you because I have a roof over my head when there are so many homeless people in this world thank you because my my my belly is full even though I don't have a five star chef I have food on my table five things that you're grateful for you can find that or one just start with one if you've never done them before but that is something to change the the path of your day the quickest and something you can do when you're feeling overwhelmed a reset just breathe breathing breathing is the the the quickest way to connect your sympathetic and your parasympathetic system your your in in simple terms your brake and your pedal your your speeding pedal your sympathetic and your parasympathetic they connect when you breathe so something as simple as pausing I this is the one super simple the box method you breathe in for four you hold for four you release for four and you hold for four that's a box you want to do it together? Yeah absolutely let's do it you're gonna breathe in for four hold for four release release for four and then hold okay ready you're gonna do that as many times as you need even doing that twice you're gonna feel your nervous calm down a lot of the times your mind is grazing so much that you just need an anchor to the present you just need five five things that you can see four things that you can hear three things that you can smell two things that you can feel one thing that you are grateful for in any order. If you can do five things you're grateful for four things you can feel anything that brings you to the moment that anchors you to the present in the moment that you're safe and that shift I'm safe now wow what do people misunderstand most about healing and personal transformation in your opinion that you have to become someone new that you are on the path to change you're on the path to find the woman that you already are but you have forgotten her because you want to be perfect you want the world to see a version of you that is not flawed. We're all flawed we're all imperfect and that's what makes us beautiful that's what makes us who we are so the moment that we stop thinking that this path is gonna take me to become someone new I have so much to change I can't possibly know you're gonna find yourself you're gonna be that woman that you were always meant to be that woman of infinite possibilities of infinite abundance abundance of joy abundance of peace doesn't that sound beautiful yes abundance of you yes that is what you're connecting to that is what you're searching for that's what I'm working on and what I want to be and I already envision my future of where I put in like you know I'm no longer living in survival mode I'm I have my abundance of peace um I'm paying it forward I'm living in gratitude I'm I'm happy building out this community with Elevate Within uplifting other women helping other women having women help other women so it's a movement and what I constantly tell folks it's like hey it's not this is not just about me this is about all of us collectively and it's time for us to get together and start you know amplifying our voices healing each other providing these little anecdotes even as much as you know as you just said like the box breathing which now I'm gonna incorporate that for sure.

SPEAKER_00 34:20

I mean you know because we we're all I'll be the first bit to to admit like no I don't have it all together. I'm learning especially you know speaking with women like you um and hearing their stories it is so it it's riveting it it's it's it's healing and um I that's my gratitude for that you know thank you thank you for that um so I appreciate you so much so I always love ending elevate within episodes with something reflective what do you think about the woman listening right now the woman who feels lost exhausted disconnected or uncertain about who she is what would you want her to know you are exactly where you need to be you don't have to have all the answers you just have to be willing to take the first step towards the rest of your life in a life that you deserve in a life that you deserve to live in happiness not happiness is not reserved for a few it's what you make of your life and you have the power to create the life of your dreams you just have to give yourself the chance to do so that peace that you can feel within think of that and walk towards it because if a dream is already in your heart it's because it's meant for you so don't let the world cloud your dreams cloud your voice cloud your thoughts with ideas of who you are meant to be you already know who you're meant to be so walk towards her she is already in you I love that I love that I love that I needed this today Shirley I needed it today so you are a blessing I am so glad we got to know each other and we will forever be connected um let the folks know where they can find you yes you can find me on Instagram Shirley Rivera underline coach or you can go to my website at www.shirleyrevera.com slash en for English or slash es for Spanish so I have it both ways love it love it Shirley thank you so much for joining us today and sharing your story your wisdom and your heart with our community I really appreciate you my pleasure and remember your story is your power nobody else has one like you so you are the heroine of your own story don't go after me great things yes absolutely absolutely I'm on it I'm on it I'm I'm here for you for for you for your for your audience for anybody that needs me I am here I am here to to to support in any way that I can from from a place of love because we get enough hate in the world and and we need this space that that shows that women support each other and we can grow together and if she can do it I can too amen to that yes so beautifully put thank you thank you thank you Sandy if you like to learn more about Shirley's work or connect with her directly you'll find all of her information and links in the show notes. If this conversation resonated with you you're not alone this is exactly why this space exists Elevate within is for the high achieving women in the messy middle the space between who you were and who you're becoming it's time to begin the process of unbecoming everything you were told you had to be so you can become who you were always meant to be. Be sure to subscribe like and comment and follow on Spotify, Apple Podcasts and YouTube so you never miss an episode. And if you'd like to go deeper join us on Substack at Elevate Within. There you'll find weekly essays and honest conversations about burnout, grief, reinvention, resilience, healing and the messy middle free subscribers receive full access to all public content, while paid subscribers receive bonus essays, early access to upcoming series, behind the scenes recordings and the opportunity to ask questions directly if you know of a woman who needs to hear this conversation today please share it with her. You can find me on LinkedIn under Sandra Davis, on Substack at ElevateWithin and for fractional COO work at elevateopsidory.com you'll find all those links in the show notes. Until next time keep elevating personally professionally and from within and before I go if no one told you that they loved you I love you Shirley I love you so thank you I love you thank you love you that was beautiful and