Knowing vs. Feeling: Healing Trauma | Jenny Catalano

Jenny Catalano did years of talk therapy. She understood everything. She felt none of it. Here’s what finally broke through.

Jenny Catalano spent over two decades in executive leadership; COO, operations, finance, HR. The woman in the room who knew how to get things done. And underneath all of it, she had no idea who she actually was. 

Childhood trauma she had buried for decades began surfacing in the middle of her most successful career chapter. She did years of talk therapy and built a complete intellectual map of her own patterns. She could explain everything about why she behaved the way she did. She could feel almost none of it.

In this episode of Elevate Within’s Architecture of Reinvention: The Art of Unbecoming summer series, Jenny joins Sandy Davis & Claudia Cuevas for an unusually candid conversation about the wall between knowing and feeling, the coping mechanisms she has never named publicly before, and what finally broke through when talk therapy reached its limit, somatic therapy, transformational touch, and practices she once dismissed as woo woo. 

She also shares something quietly devastating: the same emotional lockdown that protected her from pain also kept her from feeling joy. And she talks candidly about launching Impact Events Collective, a purpose-driven business that became possible only once she felt worthy of building something of her own.

What You Will Hear in This Episode

Why understanding your trauma intellectually doesn't mean you've healed it emotionally.

What somatic therapy and transformational touch can reach that talk therapy sometimes cannot.

The coping mechanisms developed in childhood that persist quietly into adulthood, including a personal disclosure shared publicly for the first time.

Why emotional lockdown can numb joy as completely as it numbs pain.

How self-worth, not ambition, is often the real driver behind a woman's decision to build something of her own.

Connect with Jenny Catalano

Website: impacteventscollective.com

LinkedIn: Jenny Catalano

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Transcript

SPEAKER_04 0:00

But in doing so, that's what opened me up to having, you know, to start feeling worthy and to start uh understanding that maybe I can do this on my own, maybe I can start my own business because you start to realize you're more than you've always told yourself you were, or you're more than what other people made you feel you were. And uh so for me, it's not something to fear, it's an opportunity to become so much more and so much more authentic than you've ever been.

SPEAKER_02 0:40

Welcome back to Elevate Within. I'm your host, Sandy Davis. Elevate Within is for the high-achieving women and the messy middle, the space between who you were and who you're becoming. This is a space for honest conversations about reinvention, resilience, healing, leadership, and what it really takes to rebuild from the inside out. Each week, I am joined by my co-host Claudia Cuevas, licensed marriage and family therapist, as we explore the stories, lessons, and emotional realities behind transformation. Because reinvention isn't just about changing our circumstances, it's about understanding yourself. It's about healing, it's about letting go of who you thought you had to be, so you can become who you were always meant to be. Whether you're navigating burnout, grief, identity shifts, career transitions, entrepreneurships, caregiving, or simply asking yourself what's next. You are not alone. So take a breath, pull up a chair, and join us at the table. This is Elevate Within. Hello and welcome back to Elevate Within. I'm your host, Sandy Davis, and as we begin the architecture of reinvention, the art of unbecoming series, I'm so grateful to have someone joining me in these conversations. My co-host, Claudia Cuevas. Claudia is a licensed marriage and family therapist, entrepreneur, and someone who brings not only her professional experience supporting others through healing and transformation, but also her own lived experience navigating reinvention. Claudia, welcome back to Elevate Within. I'm so happy you're here.

SPEAKER_00 2:45

I'm so excited to begin this series. I can't wait to hear all the guests and for us to like dig in deep.

SPEAKER_02 2:52

So yes, and we have a great guest today. Today, I want to introduce you to Jenny Catalano. Jenny is the founder and CEO of Impact Events Collective, a purpose-driven business helping organizations strengthen culture, connection, and community impact through meaningful experiences that brings employees together while supporting local nonprofits. Before launching Impact Events Collective, Jenny spent more than 20 years in executive leadership roles, spanning operations, finance, HR, and serving as a COO. Through her own journey of healing and self-discovery, she began reevaluating what connection, purpose, and belonging truly means, not only inside organizations, but within ourselves. And like so many women in the messy middle, there is also the story behind the success, the seasons of transition, rebuilding, and rediscovering who we are when the roles we've carried for years begin to shift. And that's the conversation we're having today. Jenny, welcome to Elevate Within.

SPEAKER_04 4:09

Thank you so much. I'm so happy to be here.

SPEAKER_02 4:12

Awesome. Tell us a little bit about your journey and the experiences that shape the woman that you are today.

SPEAKER_04 4:19

Okay, so I started many years ago in finance and worked my way up through 20, almost 30 years now in corporate roles, both small and mid-sized companies. The work I did, I enjoyed my jobs. I enjoyed the progression. Once I moved on through finance, I ended up in some operational roles that really moved me that I found were sort of my sweet spot. And then I moved up into some COO roles. I really enjoyed the work I did, but one thing I saw that repeated through many of the companies I worked for was a culture, a company culture that was hyped up and talked about as something, you know, people forward and people first. But it didn't feel that way. Yeah. But once you're on the inside, it's not quite what it seems. And that was something that the further I got in my career became more and more important to me because I saw the negative results of that. I saw how it negatively impacted businesses and how the leaders, leadership teams didn't always notice the direct impact between a strong culture and growing your business and business success. And I think that's overlooked often in a lot of businesses. So my wheels started to turn and I started to think, you know, maybe this is a time in my life I was I was over 50 and feeling like, you know, I think it's time for me to do something that really is meaningful to me, that has a really genuine impact for me on my soul, that I felt deeply, really strongly about. Um, rather than living out someone else's dream and watching it evolve in a way that I felt wasn't as strong for the business as it could be and wasn't caring for those people that work so hard for these companies. And so I wanted to address that. And that's how Impact Events Collective evolved. I started this business with the idea that I can do two things at once, where I can serve, I can serve the corporate side and help them really embed that culture into who they are and build a company that your employees can be proud of and something that they genuinely feel every day. And at the same time, serve nonprofits in the communities of those companies, which a lot of companies are doing, but but my intent is to do it in very meaningful, hands-on, engaging ways that bring these the employees together.

SPEAKER_02 6:47

That sounds healthy and a non-toxic. It is what is so needed. And you've been you started this business how long ago?

SPEAKER_04 6:56

Not very. Um, I just I just launched this past January. So I've been working hard to get thank you. I've been working really hard to get things up and running and partner with the nonprofits. And it's been a really fun journey, and I've met so many amazing people.

SPEAKER_02 7:11

Great, great. Was there a particular season in your life where you felt like your own messy middle was getting in the way of launching this new business after stepping out of corporate America?

SPEAKER_04 7:25

Um, it it there have been, it's been, you know, some up and downs, of course. A lot of it's been great. And like I said, I've met tons of new people. I'm in now the stage of really trying to build up my client base and get some visibility out there and really make people understand exactly what I'm doing and why it's so important. And that that's been the biggest challenge for me is to make sure that I get in front of the right people, make sure my message is heard and understood. Um, but I'm I'm driven and I'm really I feel so deeply how important this is that I'm I'm not ready to give up. It's it's really important to me to make this happen. And do not give up.

SPEAKER_02 8:06

So, for example, who are the right people?

SPEAKER_04 8:10

I'm focusing primarily on small to medium-sized businesses. Um, a lot of who are interested in culture and in elevating their culture and maybe are already engaged philanthropically, but maybe they don't have the staff or the bandwidth to plan these sort of gatherings, or they don't know really where to start or how to go about it. And I'm here to take that off of their plates. At the same time, nonprofits don't have, you know, they don't always have that access to that kind of staff to to roll out these kind of events. And I also take it off of their plate as well, so that everybody just has to show up. I'll plan it all, they show up. So it's not necessarily for companies that don't care about culture and need it implemented. It's not a lack of caring or intent. I think it's sometimes just not understanding or having time really to implement it properly and to really know how to embed it in in who they are.

SPEAKER_02 9:02

Right. Elevate within is really about the space between who we were and who we're becoming. Looking back, was there a moment where you realized an older version of yourself no longer fit?

SPEAKER_04 9:15

Yes. Probably about five years ago, I was a COO of a smaller company, although we managed a very large conglomerate of people. And it was a role that I loved, but I found myself working so hard every day, putting so many hours in, so intent on being what I thought was successful. And I felt myself kind of slipping away. At the same time, I was personally struggling with some trauma that had been rising, and that was coming into play, and it was affecting the way I viewed everything. And I knew that something had to give. I knew that this that I was in a space that wasn't healthy for me anymore. And I knew that I needed to work on myself and find it honestly, it got to where I wasn't sure who I was anymore or what success looked like and what it meant. And what I thought I'd achieved that I thought was successful, wasn't feeling the way you'd think it would feel. It it wasn't feeling that rewarding. In fact, I was in probably one of the lowest points of my life. And I carried through with that for years while working on myself. But then I reached the point where I knew it was time for me to do something for me that really mattered.

SPEAKER_02 10:36

If you're comfortable with it, could you elaborate a bit on what that looked like or what you were going through? That was like your deepest point.

SPEAKER_04 10:46

Yeah. I I like I said, I had experienced a lot of childhood trauma, a lot of which I was very well aware of, although it took me many, many years to realize that it was trauma because we, you know, as many of you know, we we don't always see what we're living in as something wrong. We don't know it's wrong, we don't know that it's not normal or okay. And as I got older, I saw more and more of what was wrong with that scenario. But there was also a piece of what was happening in my childhood that wasn't, that hadn't surfaced for me. And it was starting to come up. And that just kind of rocked me to my core. And that coupled with what I'd already experienced, I was in a lot of therapy, a lot of talk therapy, which was helpful because it helped me piece the puzzle together. It helped me understand some of my behaviors and why I responded to things the way I did and why things affected me the way that they did, and why I felt so driven and so um intent on achieving perfection. And so it kind of pieced all of that together for me. Um, but then I kind of hit a point where there wasn't a lot more to do in talk therapy. I wasn't progressing, but I felt like I wasn't healed. I still felt like there was something missing. And I've realized that for all the things I pieced together intellectually, I hadn't touched the emotional side of what was affecting me. And that was really hard for me to do because when I was young, I learned to shut shut that off. I learned how to not feel because it was too much, too painful, more than a child could handle. And so I I just kept that shut down and shut off for so many years that I I found that I couldn't reach it. I couldn't get down there to connect with those emotions to try and heal them. And that's when I knew there was more healing that t needed to take place, and I'm still in the process of that. Um this is the hardest part for me for sure. But I'm on a great path. I I feel like it's it's um it's it's necessary, but it also I feel myself healing. I feel myself turning a corner, I feel more in touch with who I am, but it's taken a lot of work.

SPEAKER_00 13:14

It's interesting, and I'm gonna jump in here. Yeah, um, but it's interesting because we've seen for high-level, high achieving leadership women. We were talking in the uh last podcast that six out of ten women at like CEO level or CO level will report high levels of burnout. And so I'm I'm wondering, because we know that it doesn't happen psychologically, we have to perform in a very intellectual level in order to get to where we need to get to. I'm wondering if there was times that you were able to notice like body stuff, right? So if you had a lot of chronic illness or a lot of back pain, like how did that manifest? We typically don't see depression anxiety till later. Right. Um, I wonder how that started for you.

SPEAKER_04 14:07

Yeah, I had anxiety that I can now look back and know that I started having around 12 years old.

SPEAKER_00 14:14

Right.

SPEAKER_04 14:14

And n no one knew what was wrong with me. I thought there was something very wrong with me, but they didn't talk, no one talked about it at the time, and it wasn't treated or taken very seriously. And I just went thinking all the time that there was something wrong with me. And I'd have these attacks, and it would take me a day or two to recoup from them, and then I'd just move on and think maybe I had the stomach flu or something. And I had that from early on. When I started in this later phase where I mentioned where things where I started feeling things more, I that's when depression settled in. I had never really dealt with the depression side, but that hit me hard. And that's something I still uh wrestle with to some degree, but it's better. It's much better. Um but I also, like you said, I started having intense back pain. I had joint pain. I had I had all these issues that I saw the doctor for, and basically they'd kind of shrugged their shoulders and sent me on my way because they didn't really, they couldn't find anything wrong. All my tests were fine. They didn't know, you know, what was what was wrong. And so there wasn't much they could do for me. And so yes, it m it definitely manifested itself physically, and those the symptoms just kind of piled on each other over the years.

SPEAKER_00 15:28

What were some of the coping skills that you kind of used in order to move? Because again, you moved forward, right? It happened, you would have the back pain, you'd take the anti-inflammatory or whatever you had to do, and then you gotta go to work. So what were some of your what were your some good and bad, right? What were some of your coping skills?

SPEAKER_04 15:45

Yeah, I think I think throwing myself into work was a coping skill because it was a distraction for me. It was easier for me to just dive in and be all full on in my work because then I wasn't focusing on what was happening with me, and it was easy to just not think about it so much. Um, so I do think that was one. I'm a conflict avoider for sure. Um and so it even I started noticing the effects in my home life too. I was throwing myself into work, but my home life was suffering, you know, because I wasn't giving them the attention they deserved. And I think there was some association there between home is where I'm my, you know, in my own space, and that's where I'm having a harder time dealing with things. Um, I also learned over time that I'm uh I'm good at working really hard to maintain the relationships that aren't great for me. And while simultaneously sabotaging the best ones in my life. And it took me to get to an a point in my second marriage where I started seeing the same patterns to to and saying, what uh why do I keep doing this? What is happening? Fortunately, had the wherewithal to notice that and get help for that before my second marriage ended as well. Another coping mechanism, um, I'm very withdrawn. I I shut down. I don't go out anymore. I don't want to be around people. I find that it I'm very introverted and I find when I'm in a bad space, it's very hard for me to connect with other people. So that was something I did. And one that's really hard for me to say right now, um, skin picking is something I've done since I was a kid. And and no matter how hard I've fought it, it's still an issue to this day. And that's been something that I have the hardest time with, and that not just mentally accepting it, but the fact that I haven't been able to shake that is really challenging for me.

SPEAKER_00 17:49

It's very interesting when some of uh our coping skills that, you know, can now be seen as a negative have been with us in order for us to, you know, we're in survival mode. Yeah. And so it's yeah. So anytime you feel any type of stress, as much as you were you're able to kind of like assess the other things that you do and be like, I'm not gonna go and you know, have a bad relationship, or you're able to control, it's the little things that are still our soothing, right? Because we we learned these things when we were really young. And so anything, anything that feels stressful, it's our go-to. It's also easier to hide, it's easier to do, right? People pick or you know, chew on the on the side of their um uh their mouth. Uh there's hair missing because we'll pull our hair in the back or you know, and those kind of things. And so it's it's it's so innate in us because that was you probably started very young doing very young.

SPEAKER_05 18:47

Yes.

SPEAKER_00 18:48

Yeah. So mine was food.

SPEAKER_05 18:50

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 18:51

You know, I got I got I got a bottle shoved in my mouth since I was very young. And so that is just a it's such a hard thing to shake, but it's so necessary because it's a reminder. It actually a reminder, like, oh, I'm going to a stressful situation, or there's something that my brain is perceiving as danger. And and it doesn't know our brain doesn't know how to distinguish between it's just stress, and I'm a little excited or I'm a little anxious with like there's a dinosaur coming after you.

SPEAKER_04 19:24

Right, right. Yeah. And I I think some of the healthier ones I had, um, when I was younger, I developed an avid love of reading. I read books so much. I could I went through stacks of them in in no time and had to go back to the library to get more. And I'm still a very avid reader, and I find that when I need just to time alone, I want to read. And so that was something. And music. Music is the other thing that's keeps still today, keeps me grounded. It's a huge part of my life. And I can get in the car, crank up the tunes, and feel better about anything. Same. So yeah. Same.

SPEAKER_00 20:01

Can you share with us today what are some of like your I'm I'm a proponent of self-care. What what do you kind of do for yourself for self-care?

SPEAKER_04 20:09

Yeah, I've worked really hard in the last year to work on myself, to connect with myself. And I've found uh meditation to be hugely helpful for me. It takes a lot of work, and there are days where I feel where I do it, and I feel like I didn't get anything out of it, or it just wasn't a day where I could really sink in. But for the days that do, it's brought me to such a calmer place. I find that I'm not overreacting to situations that would normally put me over the edge, things that I'm I'm able able to rationalize situations and say, okay, well, let's work through this and then we'll move on. Or if, you know, I've been able to get rid of the what if scenarios like that that make you crazy and scare you, you know, that drive our fear. Um, in your head. Yeah, I don't sit and ruminate on the what if so much. I I've tried I'm much better about being in the here and now. I know that if a situation comes up, I'll deal with it, we'll work through it, and we'll move on. Because there's no situation that I can, you know, find in my history that I haven't been able to move forward and reconcile in some way and work through. I'm much my whole demeanor is calmer, and I definitely feel more connected with who I am, where for many years I've felt like I had no idea who I was, and I was so disconnected from myself. And that's a really hard place to exist in.

SPEAKER_00 21:39

It's very successful. It would be very successful, right? Like it's the thing that got you to the place that you needed it to be in order to be successful. I really love that you're practicing meditation. I think that for high achieving women is one of the hardest practices because there is this need to connect to your body. And and your mind at the same time. And so we're so good at compartmentalizing and kind of shutting down the body in order to move on. And so, in order to kind of connect back to your body, you're then having to deal with the things that were happening to us in order to not feel what we're feeling, right? And so it's a really scary place to be to, you know, scan your body and be like, oh, I don't, I don't want to, I don't want to touch that area. Like that, that, that it brings us back to childhood stuff, right?

SPEAKER_04 22:29

Right. Well, if if I take it back a little bit further, it actually started where I started doing somatic therapy after I realized that talk therapy wasn't helping me. And we worked on something, uh, I I want to say it's called transformational touch. And that was that was a really different, cool experience. And it's it's learning to recognize signs and things in your body. And I did that for quite a while, and that helped a lot. But that also helped prepare me and helped me be successful with meditation. Um, I've really been on a spiritual journey. I journal, I I practice gratitude. Um I've I've I've worked with energy healers that have done amazing things for me. Um so what I might have said back in the day was woo-woo is something I've really embraced now because it's proven to be um really valuable for me. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 23:26

Yeah. Reinvention sounds beautiful when we talk about it now, but living through it can feel messy, lonely, uncertain, and deeply uncomfortable. What do you think people misunderstand most about the reinvention process?

SPEAKER_04 23:43

I don't think it's as scary as we make it out to be, which is probably true for anything, really, that we catastrophize in our minds. For me, it's been a relief almost because I wanted to become who I was. I wanted to discover what I'd missed all this time, what I'd been hiding or covering up, or just didn't even know was there, the part of me that I didn't know. And um the process is hard. Some of it's scary. Like you said, there are things that come up that are extremely difficult to deal with. But for me, it was working towards an angle that I knew was a place I wanted to get to. It was, you know, so it was working towards comfort and loving myself. And so for me, there was really no other choice. It was something I needed to do for myself. But in doing so, that's what opened me up to having, you know, to start feeling worthy and to start uh understanding that maybe I can do this on my own, maybe I can start my own business because you start to realize you're more than you've always told yourself you were, or you're more than what other people made you feel you were. And so for me, it's not something to fear, it's an opportunity to become so much more and so much more authentic than you've ever been.

SPEAKER_02 25:17

Yeah. Looking back now, do you feel like you became someone entirely different through this process or more fully yourself?

SPEAKER_04 25:27

That's an interesting question because sometimes I look back at who I was and and think, what parts of me then were true to who I am and what what wasn't? And um there are some parts that have stayed for sure. I think I'm a very empathetic person and somewhat intuitive to the needs of others. Um and I always wanted to help everyone, and that's still there. I I think I approach it maybe a little bit differently now because I just have that deeper understanding of there's a difference between doing this because I'm trying to fill a void versus I genuinely just want to help people. And it's not about fixing myself, it's just about being who I am. So I think characteristics like that were there, but they weren't fully developed outside of the trauma limbs, if that makes sense, that I've worked on a lot. Uh so it's been a journey to figure all of that out.

SPEAKER_00 26:30

Because I think you hit it in the nail, which is it is not about not being who you were. It's just your perspective on it. It's the evolution of integration. It's you're you're all of it. You weren't not that person. You were all of it. It's just the perspective and the purpose that we give to it, right? Of the evolution so that we can better utilize it for the actual good and whatever we want. So I I love that you said that because I think that is exactly what it is. It's not about I'm not that person or I'm faking who I was. It's really the integration now and taking ownership of who that person is.

SPEAKER_04 27:06

Right. And I've done I'm doing a lot of work too on kind of undoing your thought patterns of the past where you immediately, you know, have negative self-talk or you believe you can't, you're not capable of things. Whereas I I did that, you do it naturally because you do it so often. But as I've been focusing on it, I find that I when those thoughts come up, I catch them. I stop myself and recognize that I'm like heading in that direction, stop, take a beat, and reframe so that I can look at it through the new lens I've been looking, you know, I've been working on and know that that's not those things aren't real. They're not true. They're what I believed because it's something somebody else told me or I was, you know, made to believe. And so that's helped me a lot. So I can just pause in that moment, reframe, and just view the situation differently. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 28:07

I always love ending elevate within episodes with something reflective. So when you think about the woman listening right now, the woman in the messy middle, what would you want to leave her with today?

SPEAKER_05 28:23

It's worth how hard it is.

SPEAKER_04 28:26

It's worth the rough journey to get to the other side. It doesn't necessarily mean you have to dig up all the ugly things you can heal without doing that necessarily. But the place you get to on the other side like I feel like I was never able to experience as much as I couldn't connect with my emotions negatively, you also have trouble connecting with joy and the positive, you know, things that we should experience. And I couldn't ever fully experience that either. And I'm starting to feel for the first time this is what it feels like to be in a relaxed space, to not always be, you know, waiting for something to happen or being on guard. This is what it feels like to be able to be present with my family and enjoy the moments with them that I struggled with before. It's it's so worth working on you and taking that time because it takes you to a place that's that's just it it's a whole new discovery and it's a whole new world that you've you know that you can it's ever too late to do that. You you can enjoy your life at any point, and it's worth it's worth doing the work to get there.

SPEAKER_02 29:44

Amen to that. Let folks know where they can find you and and connect with you.

SPEAKER_04 29:50

Yes, on my website is impact events collective.com. I'm on LinkedIn under Jenny Catalano. I'd I'd love for you to check out either of those places and see what I'm doing. Uh look at some of my writing. I've written some articles on there that might be worth looking at. Uh yeah, and I'm happy to hear from anyone that would love to connect, whether it be business or, you know, to collaborate or just talk to somebody who's been through it, but is finding yourself on the other side.

unknown 30:19

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 30:19

Thank you for sharing that and extending yourself for folks who just want to connect and talk because that's what I'm building with this series and understanding for women collectively, not one person knows all of the answers, but it's actually networking, it's connecting, it's supporting, it's saying, like, hey, you know, we've all been in the messy middle. Here's how I've got out of it. Here was my trauma, your trauma. You know, if you if you're spiraling, connect with me.

SPEAKER_04 30:51

Yes, connect to me. And that's why I think the work you're doing is so important. We're all we can be successful women, but we can do both. We can be successful, but we're still complex women who have histories and who have had to work hard and work through a lot. But we can be both. We're, you know, and sometimes we have to show up as just one of those people. And I think it's important to recognize that there's more to us than that. And I appreciate I appreciate you addressing that.

SPEAKER_02 31:21

Jenny, thank you so much for joining us today and sharing your story, your wisdom, and your heart with the community.

SPEAKER_04 31:28

Thank you so much for having me and giving me this opportunity. I really appreciate it.

SPEAKER_02 31:32

Yes, we truly appreciate you being part of the Architect A Reinvention series. So thank you again.

SPEAKER_04 31:39

Thank you so much.

SPEAKER_02 31:41

If you want to learn more about Jenny's work or connect with her directly, you'll find her information and links in the show notes. And Claudia, you want to give out your website aware folks can reach out to you?

SPEAKER_00 31:52

You can look me up on uh my website, Claudiaqueuevas.com, and I'm on psychology today. If there's something you also want to come and connect in California, so and you'll find all those links in the show notes.

SPEAKER_02 32:05

Until next time, keep elevating personally, professionally, and from within. And before I go, if no one told you that they loved you today, I love you. So, Jenny, I love you. Claudia, I love you.

SPEAKER_04 32:19

I love you right back. Thank you, Sandy. Thank you, Claudia. All right, thank you. Take care, everyone.

SPEAKER_02 32:25

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