The Nautilus Studio M31 Files interview singer-songwriter Sunny Gable.

Studio owners Mr Bill (Nautilus Studio) and Yves LF Giraud (Studio M31) interview singer-songwriter Sunny Gable.

For more info on Sunny, please visit:
https://sunnygable.com/

Transcript

SPEAKER_03 0:31

Nice and light and everything. Yeah. Hey, we're uh this is uh I'm your host today, which I never am. Uh uh this is the Nautilus Studio M31 Files here. And today we have Sonny Gable.

SPEAKER_05 0:48

Yep.

SPEAKER_03 0:49

Yep. Uh and uh I know Sunny by Sunny, but I didn't know your last name. But anyway, um uh a local talent in the uh Four Corners area here, and uh we're gonna find out a little more about Sunny today. And uh starting off, uh where were you born?

SPEAKER_01 1:07

I was born in uh the Midwest. I just wrote a song about it.

SPEAKER_03 1:12

Oh you write a song every day, don't you?

SPEAKER_01 1:15

I I well not every day, but close. Yeah. But you know, very few of them see the light of day.

SPEAKER_03 1:22

Well, you show them at op open mind.

SPEAKER_01 1:25

Yeah, you know, yeah. Yeah. But yeah, I was born uh outside of Chicago in a little um little town called Winfield, Illinois. And uh I grew up in St. Charles and DeCalb, Illinois. Okay. DeCalb was yeah, it well it still is about sixty miles west of Chicago. It's still there, it hasn't moved. Yeah. I don't know.

SPEAKER_03 1:50

Yeah, I haven't Chicago swallowed all of those little surroundings.

SPEAKER_01 1:53

Well, the suburbs, but you know, um I actually I I get back to Illinois quite a bit and um DeCalb is still pretty um pretty much still the farm town I grew up in, you know, lots of lots of cornfields. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 2:08

Your family's still there or I've got some family there.

SPEAKER_01 2:11

Most of my family is out in the west now.

SPEAKER_03 2:13

Yeah, okay. Yeah. And how uh much school or how long did you go there before you bailed?

SPEAKER_01 2:20

Um well I lived there till I was a let's see, a junior in high school, and then my parents moved out to Ridgway, Colorado, right?

SPEAKER_02 2:28

Oh, what made them move uh so far?

SPEAKER_01 2:31

Well, you know, they spent my entire childhood doing the corporate Chicago kind of you know, rap race hustle. Yeah. Oh, yeah. And um, yeah, my dad got laid off a couple times, you know, the late 80s were hard with corporate jobs.

SPEAKER_04 2:48

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 2:48

And um, I think at one point he got laid off and he was like, you know, screw it, let's go to Colorado and open a restaurant. Ridge Ridgeway. Wow, that's a that's a that's a twist.

SPEAKER_03 2:59

Oh, and Ridgway, have you ever been up to Ridgeway? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 3:02

A beautiful little I never knew how to say Ridgway because when you read it, it's actually kind of funky.

SPEAKER_01 3:08

Yeah, it doesn't have an E.

SPEAKER_02 3:10

If you're friends, it is. Yeah. Well, it doesn't have an E. I mean it if you really I always thought that was weird when I moved there.

SPEAKER_01 3:18

I'd I'd write it out Ridgeway with an E, like Ridge, you know, with an E on the end. Yeah. I was spelling it wrong. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 3:24

And were you out there when um uh Dennis Weaver and his family? Did you know those guys?

SPEAKER_01 3:31

Yeah, they used to come into my parents' little restaurant.

SPEAKER_03 3:33

Yeah, what what restaurant did they have?

SPEAKER_01 3:35

Uh they had a little restaurant called the Sugar Shack.

SPEAKER_03 3:38

Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_01 3:38

And um, you know, they had cappuccinos. It was back in kind of the heyday of the coffee shop, so they had a coffee shop.

SPEAKER_02 3:45

So you said it was what somewhere around the nineties, the eighties, nineties?

SPEAKER_01 3:49

Yeah, uh we moved to Ridgway in nineteen ninety-three.

SPEAKER_02 3:52

Okay, okay.

SPEAKER_01 3:54

And yeah, I was fifteen.

SPEAKER_03 3:56

Wow, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 3:57

What a pretty pretty place to locate. Did you how did you um well how did you react to the move?

SPEAKER_01 4:04

Was it the well, you know, I mean, I was of course being a junior in high school, I was devastated because I was leaving my boyfriend behind. You know, I was like, I don't want to go somewhere new, and I had this vision of Colorado, like, you know, snowboarders and mountains, and you know, the whole like kind of isn't that a good vision? Yeah, but I mean it wasn't an accurate vision a rich way because you know, in the early 90s I was very much like grungy, punky kind of girl. You know, I had I had a shaved head and away. Yeah. No mohawk, but I did like to shave my head. And you know, combat boots. So I walk into Ridgeway High School and nobody knew how to react to me. I bet my brother, you know, we were both just kind of like an anomaly. You know, everybody's got their cowboy hats and their big belt buckles, and you know, the girls had the bangs still, you know, the the eighties bangs. Oh my gosh, yeah. And it was, you know, I'd say it was a culture shock for us, you know. But we did find our people. Wow.

SPEAKER_03 5:18

Yeah, and at that point you were probably doing music, I imagine.

SPEAKER_01 5:22

I was, yeah. I played guitar back then, um, and sang. That was like I started playing guitar and singing when I was about thirteen. Uh huh.

SPEAKER_02 5:30

Um did something uh I was like to find out what makes somebody take that trial.

SPEAKER_01 5:37

Like what what what attracted you to music or guitar or well I always had a deep attraction to music, you know. I mean I have pictures of me when I was a baby sitting in front of a piano pounding eye, you know. Um just always fascinated with music and um I started playing violin when I was six years old, took lessons and was in like all the Was that your first sort of introduction to an actual instrument? Yeah, I mean besides just playing on my grandpa's piano, he had a he had a baby grand in his house, so I wouldn't and he played by ear. He didn't read music, so I was always fascinated by that.

SPEAKER_02 6:17

Yeah, right. You figure, okay, well why not me? Yeah, let me see what I can do. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 6:22

But it was that's when I learned to read music. Um well, I actually learned to read music when I was in kindergarten. I played the recorder, you know. And I I had I've started.

SPEAKER_02 6:36

So where where when did you actually stop? You keep going kindergarten.

SPEAKER_01 6:43

When I was in utero.

SPEAKER_02 6:46

I came out with a glowing book in there.

SPEAKER_01 6:51

I remember having this little book of um recorder tunes. It had a pink cover, and I just remember reading the music like Hot Crossbones and Twinkle Twinkle Little Star, and that's when I learned to read Travelclough. Um that's awesome. I you know, I read Travel Clough.

SPEAKER_02 7:09

Any anybody in your family uh musically in class?

SPEAKER_01 7:12

Yes. Uh my mother plays French horn.

SPEAKER_02 7:16

French horn. I know, that's random, huh? When do you when do you practice that? That's gotta be loud. That is an instrument to play. That's um, yeah. Did she pick that?

SPEAKER_01 7:29

Yeah, I mean, I don't really know, like I I think she started on trumpet when she was in school and they put her on French horn because they didn't have a French horn player. And she still plays, you know, she still plays with um Southern Arizona Symphony Orchestra down in Tucson. Oh wow.

SPEAKER_02 7:45

Yeah that's awesome. Okay, so so that was kind of uh a little bit tough.

SPEAKER_01 7:50

You you were exposed to that. Yeah, my brother's musical as well. He's he's a trumpet player, he he's into like acid jazz and stuff like that.

SPEAKER_03 8:04

So how many instruments do you play, sir? That's a good question.

SPEAKER_01 8:08

Counting the order and thumb cymbals and well, um, yeah, I grew up playing violin. I learned to play violin cello when I was in middle school, high school, um, guitar. I picked up mandolin in my 30s. Um what else do I play? I'm missing. Oh, I played a little trombone at Ridgway High School because they didn't have a they didn't have an orchestra. Whatever they didn't have, you could cover. Yeah, they they gave me a trombone and they're like, learn this. I played um I played Susaphone in the marching band. Oh god.

SPEAKER_02 8:43

Oh wow. Gee. Oh, and piano when you were young.

SPEAKER_01 8:46

Yeah, and you know, I went to college for viola, so you have to play piano when you are in a music programming college. Oh, I didn't know that.

SPEAKER_02 8:54

Yeah, I didn't know that either.

SPEAKER_01 8:55

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 8:56

Well d um in Chicago?

SPEAKER_01 8:59

Uh no, I went to uh music school at Fort Lewis and I also went to Metro State in Denver. So I kind of did it like n I started in 1996 and then I had a family and you know, a whole marriage and divorce, and then I went back to music school in like 2009.

SPEAKER_03 9:22

Do you find reading music uh uh applies uh currently in your life uh much when you write a song? Do you need uh put it in uh uh write it down musically or do you I don't no, I don't annotate um annotate.

SPEAKER_01 9:40

That's what yeah, I I didn't never but I mean I still read music, you know. I I still play classical music. Um I was I was also in the Southern Arizona Symphony Orchestra when I lived in Tucson. Yeah. Flip on Viola. We need you bring these people over.

SPEAKER_02 9:55

No, where do we find these people?

SPEAKER_01 9:56

In Bank is that's amazing.

SPEAKER_03 9:59

Yeah, and your kids gosh, I they're gonna be pro prodigies if you wouldn't call them that already.

SPEAKER_01 10:06

Yeah, Leaf is really into music. Yeah, he's um he it's funny, he kind of inherited my grandfather's ability to play by ear. By ear, yeah. Um but he also reads a little bit of music, but he's kind of you know, doesn't have quite the focus.

SPEAKER_02 10:22

Focus. Yeah, to me that was the thing when I was young. My mom tried. I'm like, I don't want to read some let me just play. Oh look, I already had this thing. You know it's just it's hard to just sit in front of the thing.

SPEAKER_01 10:33

Yeah, it is, yeah. Gosh. Yeah, I think that that learning it when I was five was, you know, that was a good time to learn to read music because your your brain is so absorbed.

SPEAKER_02 10:48

Yeah. So um in terms of uh songwriting, um you you write a lot and uh you have albums.

SPEAKER_00 10:57

I do, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 10:58

Okay. Uh can you can you tell me the the story of that? You have s you have several over the years.

SPEAKER_01 11:03

Yeah, yeah. The first album I ever recorded was in 2017. Um I kind of got a late start to the songwriting, you know. I I wrote like one song when I was in my maybe 18, 19, and I thought it was so terrible that it was like, I suck at this, I'm never writing a song again. I'm just gonna play covers and I would go to open mics and play covers. But um then I went through school and kind of gained some confidence musically and um started writing songs probably in like 2015. Okay. And so 2017 I recorded an album with uh what was then Sonny and the Whiskey Machine. That was the first band that I started with me as the lead.

SPEAKER_02 11:48

You know, and what was the the format of the band, if I may ask?

SPEAKER_01 11:51

The the the format, like yeah, the drums and all that was just uh it was just me and Guy Ewing on bass and Jeff Moorhead on Dobro, which is still my band. Yeah. Oh, okay. Wow, remember that. And now we have Dennis.

SPEAKER_02 12:09

Something like that.

SPEAKER_01 12:09

Yeah, well, yeah, like ten, eleven years now.

SPEAKER_02 12:12

Cool, that's awesome. Yeah, yeah, that's so too to see people that can stay together, you know, and live takes over sometimes.

SPEAKER_01 12:19

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 12:20

That's that's great. So I'm assuming you that was the first one. What was the name of the album?

SPEAKER_01 12:25

Uh it was called New American Dream.

SPEAKER_02 12:28

New American Dream, okay. And uh do you still do some of these songs?

SPEAKER_01 12:33

Yeah, we do um a few of them. Let's see, we do probably four of the seven songs on the album still.

SPEAKER_02 12:41

Oh cool, wow and um from that to me and Irene.

SPEAKER_01 12:49

Yeah, so I did a lot of um recording kind of independently. Um we recorded New American Dream with Doug Eagle, Eagle Sound in Drago. Yeah, and um we had kind of saved up our gig money to pay for that and you know, recordings exceptionally. Yeah, yeah. So after that, I we you know, the the uh pandemic hit and we weren't gigging and we weren't making money, so I started recording in the basement of our house in Bayfield where we lived at the time. And I mean those recordings are out there. They're you know, you can tell that I I mixed and mastered those.

SPEAKER_02 13:33

It wasn't done the uh eagle sounds.

SPEAKER_03 13:35

Yeah. Would you want to re-record some of those, the material you like? Absolutely.

SPEAKER_01 13:40

I that's in the plans.

SPEAKER_02 13:42

I'd like to kind of go back to some of these you know, pick and choose all my favorites because you know I by now you have uh a different vision of stuff visually, hearing them enough and using it.

SPEAKER_01 13:55

Yeah, I know which ones I like and which ones are keepers and which ones can just kind of fade away.

SPEAKER_02 14:02

Um and you uh you said you still you still play with the same people in mean iron, basically. That's the same thing. So what changed then? What what happened there?

SPEAKER_01 14:13

Oh well, you know, I do not like having my name in the band name is the first thing, and I had been thinking about it for years, because every time I would say the band name is kind of long, Sonny in the whiskey machine. It's like Sonny. I just you know, yeah, it's all of us, it's not just me, you know.

SPEAKER_03 14:34

Yeah, I I feel the same way. I hate my name to be, you know, oh, there's yeah, that's why I'm I used to be Jean Do and uh what the other guys are nothing well in my country band I was Lance Boyle. Oh Lance Boyle. How how did you get from uh Bill Boy's boy? Well, I the guy, my the leader of the band, uh Tim Sullivan would used to say that's Bill Boyer on you know, guitar or bass or whatever. Don't say my name, I cringe. So you mean Lance Boyle? You can do that. Yeah, I did. Yeah, yeah. Benny used it. And now over here, now I'm not playing so much country. I'm Mr. Bill. But I know what how you feel about that. You know, it's like, hey, we got a whole band here, you know. Yeah, it's not just about me. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 15:27

Well, and the other part of it is, you know, having whiskey in the title. I've a little bit triggered by alcohol consumption.

SPEAKER_02 15:36

Well, if you don't mind, then wha how how did that name come about?

SPEAKER_01 15:40

Well, so that's kind of an interesting story. Um I was in a band called The Great Contention with I don't know if you guys know Joshua Standard. Um he's had a bunch of different um projects over the years. He lives in Cortez.

SPEAKER_03 15:56

Oh Josh.

SPEAKER_01 15:58

Another person that's hiding in the he's also a songwriter, so you guys should have him on here a while. Um he's great. But I was in a band with him, and at one point after we had started this project together, he was like, We should have called the band the whiskey machine. And you know, it's uh Gillian Welch's you know, Tear My Stillhouse Down. Um so that's kind of where it came from. And I when I was forming my own band, I called Josh and I said, Do you mind if I use the whiskey machine? And I was signing the whiskey machine, and he said, Yeah, so I used it. Um but you know, I've kind of got into a place like I don't drink anymore, and um it was almost misery presenting. Yeah, and I you know I haven't drank whiskey since 20 probably 2017 because I found out I have celiac disease and I can't drink whiskey. So it was kind of lazy.

SPEAKER_03 16:55

Does that affect all alcohol?

SPEAKER_01 16:57

Uh that's yeah, anything that has ever touched wheat mash I can't have.

SPEAKER_02 17:02

I see. That came suddenly? That just happens?

SPEAKER_01 17:06

No, I've always had it. I was just very sick for a long time. And you didn't know what it was. Yeah, nobody figured it out. Did you get an effect from the whiskey if you have a few well and you know, for the longest time, like I'd have a couple shots of whiskey or a couple of pulls from a bottle and wake up the next morning feeling so hung over. I'm like, man, I'm really really sensitive to that. But it turns out I was just having like a celiac reaction to it. Oh, geez.

SPEAKER_02 17:33

Okay. Okay, so you learned that and yeah, he stepped away from the alcohol. So that okay. Yeah, so uh mean like uh dead night name uh came about.

SPEAKER_01 17:42

Well, so I'm not supposed to tell anybody who mean Irene actually is.

SPEAKER_03 17:51

I was wondering, that's not your mom, is the name.

SPEAKER_01 17:54

It's not my mother, no. No, it's uh it's somebody I know is their grandmother. Um and I was having a you know, a night we were playing Clue. Oh yeah, and this person was telling me about their grandmother, and he's like told me they call her mean Irene, and I said that would be a great band name, and I'm looking for a band name. Do you care if I use that? And he's like, You can use it, but you can't ever tell them where it came from.

SPEAKER_02 18:24

Well, thank you for sharing what you could. Yeah, yeah, it's very cool. Um, I um I'm interested in well, actually, Mr. Bill, do you have a question?

SPEAKER_03 18:35

You're interested in something. I want to hear what it is. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 18:39

Where you're playing these days, and if you have something coming up maybe the next month and above and beyond that. Yeah, I've got lots of things coming up that I'm excited about. Oh, okay. But then you you know it'll be a good promotion, possibly.

SPEAKER_01 18:53

So well, so immediately, like next week, I'm traveling to um Arizona and playing a string of shows down there. Oh I get to play with one of my favorite songwriters, John Fraley, in Phoenix. We're playing at a place called the Chill Room.

SPEAKER_02 19:11

Um you're gonna be there several days, you said full several years.

SPEAKER_01 19:15

So playing there, and then I head down to Tucson and I'm playing with my good friend Syndon at a place called Bar Crusal on that Friday the 13th.

SPEAKER_05 19:25

Uh-huh.

SPEAKER_01 19:25

And then Valentine's Day at a place called Jackrabbit Lounge with my Tucson band, mean Irene. So there's there's two formations of the band.

SPEAKER_03 19:36

And they all have ris rehearsed songs, you're not just kind of sitting and jamming on stuff.

SPEAKER_01 19:41

No, yeah, we um we get together and rehearse beforehand. Yeah. And you know, if there's new songs, I send them to them and send them charts and recordings. Sure, sure. Those guys down there, they're super pros. Yeah, yeah. They just pick it right up, you know. Yeah, it's really awesome. That's nice. And then uh after that, we're playing at Mixed and Mankus. Okay.

SPEAKER_02 20:01

When when what date?

SPEAKER_01 20:03

That's March 7th. Um and that is with the Stillhouse Junkies and Genuine Cowhide. So that's gonna be a really fun show. I'm sure you guys know all about Mixed and Mancus, but you know, for people out there, it's the they record the whole show and they will pick six to seven songs out of however many we play. And it will go on to an album and be released.

SPEAKER_02 20:30

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 20:31

So we're really, really excited to be a part of that. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 20:34

Do you do you know um is that gonna be at the opera house?

SPEAKER_01 20:37

Yeah, it's at the Mangus Opera House. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 20:39

Cool.

SPEAKER_01 20:39

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 20:40

On uh March 7th.

SPEAKER_01 20:43

March 7th. Yeah. And then we're do uh we play at um the Mankus Brewery. I think that's uh 28th, I wanna say, of March.

SPEAKER_04 20:51

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 20:51

And then uh Tucson mean Irene is playing at the Tucson Folk Festival.

SPEAKER_03 20:57

And you'll be on you'll be down there.

SPEAKER_01 21:00

Yeah, and then that's April 10th and 11th. It's the largest free folk festival in the country.

SPEAKER_03 21:06

No way, I was just gonna ask, is that a big deal? And it sounds like it is.

SPEAKER_01 21:10

Yeah, they have um I don't even know how many stages, five, six stages, maybe probably more than that. I should have looked it up. But yeah, it's it's two days, and there's a songwriting competition, and um, yeah, it's a big deal. And we're excited to be playing. So we're playing on Saturday the 10th on the Presidio stage at four o'clock.

SPEAKER_03 21:33

And that's the 10th of April.

SPEAKER_01 21:34

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 21:35

Yeah. So it's before it starts getting crazy hot down here.

SPEAKER_01 21:38

Yeah, the funny thing is they used to do it in May.

SPEAKER_03 21:40

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 21:41

Um, at the beginning of May, and it's in 2018, I went down there and played it when I lived up here. I was pregnant with my son Finn, and it was like ninety-nine degrees on that stage at like eleven in the morning. Oh man. I almost passed out when they announced that they were moving.

SPEAKER_02 22:10

I'm affected by cold. I can't function in the cold.

SPEAKER_04 22:13

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 22:14

But heat I'm okay. But bicep, so I know some people can't. Anyway, um, I would like to ask you to do a song for you. For for for you. Sure. Yeah. Do it for me, okay?

SPEAKER_03 22:26

Do one for us, including. But the one that that you like. Do it for yourself. Oh, let's do that.

SPEAKER_05 22:35

Okay, cool.

SPEAKER_01 22:36

No. It's all you. Well, this is a song I wrote about walking. Um I wrote it while I was walking. I like to write songs a lot when I'm walking. I don't know if it's the rhythm or but I'll keep a little notebook with me and just write down little things that come to mind. But um I, you know, I couldn't walk for like three years, and so I walk a lot now just because I can. So um and I always walk alone, but there's always this person with me. It's my shadow. And sometimes she's really short, sometimes she's really, really tall. And we get along great.

SPEAKER_00 23:18

So and my shadow took a walk today. The leaves were on the ground decaying, and everything was dressed in muted tones. Even the trees had stripped down to their barest bones. Me and my shadow found a silver leaf with a fragrant, pungent frequency that I would like to feel inside my bones from the marrow down into my pinky toe, and I look for you in the tallest tree. You're my favorite frequency. And my shadow walk outside all year because indoors she will disappear. And sometimes I get scared when she is gone. Without her and without you, I feel so lost. And it's not really complicated. I just love your soul vibration. And I wonder where she goes when she's not here. Maybe she's whispering sweet nothings in your ear. And I wonder if she crumbles when anything goes wrong, or if she's better at hiding her broken heart inside her songs. So won't you come and hold me for the night? Oh won't you come and hold me just tonight?

unknown 26:08

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 26:11

What does it use?

SPEAKER_02 26:14

I have a reason. I'm the one who edits this thing. I know, yeah. We've got all this dead time of talking about what what are we where are we actually chopping chop it out of there?

SPEAKER_03 26:25

Yeah, yeah. Anyway, enjoyed that uh original and uh how many original songs do you have? That's a good part, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 26:34

Um I'd say I have at least a hundred. Wow.

SPEAKER_03 26:37

Yeah, it's and I have by I've only heard you about three times or so. But uh I love your originals. Uh I mean uh one of the ones I'm kind of talking, and you know, it's a drag to be playing your original songs and people out there talking. Most of the time they're talking to me. Because I do no I I do try to respect the fact that you know when I'm up there playing, I don't, you know, feel wanna feel like you gotta talk over me because you don't want to hear me. You know, but one of the ones that cracked me up was like uh, I'll draw the bath, you bring the toaster. I thought, where do you get that from? Yeah, that's a great thing.

SPEAKER_01 27:21

That one actually came from uh there's a songwriting club, an unofficial songwriting club in uh Phoenix called the Write a Damn Song Club, and it's on Instagram. Anybody can participate. There's really the only thing you do is you write a song, you post it, and they repost it, and that's the whole deal. And so um I think it was November's song title was I'll get the toaster, you draw the bath. And I don't always participate because I don't always have a song to go with their the title, guys. Yeah, the title. But that one, I heard that and I was like that. That is right up Miami.

SPEAKER_02 28:00

Who should be who am I gonna throw in the bath?

SPEAKER_03 28:06

Hey, we check out this toaster.

SPEAKER_02 28:10

Yeah. So uh yeah, thank you for that song. That was awesome. And um I was kind of interested in uh asking you if there is um some kind of some kind of project you you you're looking into working on next. What what's the what's the future of me and Irene?

SPEAKER_01 28:28

Yeah, so I just released an EP. It's four songs that were recorded and produced in Tucson. Okay. And so moving forward from that, I've got my next album written and ready to go. Um just you know, working on it with the band and working out you know how we're gonna record it and how we're gonna get it mixed and everything. So I'm hoping that that will come to fruition in the next few months, you know. Because I've got kind of a backlog of songs I've never recorded that I'd love to.

SPEAKER_03 29:04

What a problem. It is a problem. It is kind of an expensive. I can't think of one. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 29:17

Yeah. No, yeah, life is funny, you know. Yeah. Um Sonny, thank you. Oh, one last thing. Uh to find you online.

SPEAKER_01 29:27

Oh, sure, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 29:27

What is the best?

SPEAKER_01 29:28

Uh what would you well I've got a website. It's easy to find. It's SonnyGable.com.

SPEAKER_02 29:35

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 29:35

And it's got all of my upcoming shows on there, all of me and Irene's upcoming shows. I play solo sometimes, I play duo. Um, and I'm also on bandcamp and I just started on Bandcamp. So you can find me and Irene on Bandcamp.

SPEAKER_03 29:52

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 29:53

And I really encourage people to join Bandcamp.

SPEAKER_03 29:56

Well, what's the one? What's the concept of that? Uh Campfire songs?

SPEAKER_01 30:02

Well, the concept is more of a you know, artist supportive kind of um you know, platform that they don't charge a lot of fees. Um, they have Bandcamp Friday, where if you go and buy the album on Bandcamp Friday, they don't charge anything. They give it all to the artist. And the most recent thing that they did that I really respect is they banned all AI music.

SPEAKER_03 30:28

Oh no, Mr.

SPEAKER_01 30:29

Bell, all your songs and all that toil.

SPEAKER_03 30:32

Oh my goodness, finally start writing songs. AI, can you give me a song that sounds like Sting uh and like uh Poco and uh No, I would try me and Irene. Can you give me, can you steal some of me and Irene songs off the internet? Just enough so we don't see uh lawyer here so we love AI, that's what we look for.

SPEAKER_01 30:59

Yeah, and the other thing is I've got a Patreon. Um, you know Yeah, yeah, yeah, sure. Again, it's kind of a new thing for me, but um I am trying to kind of drum up some support on there because anything that comes in on Patreon I can put directly to recording and mixing and mastering. And that's um on my website if anybody wants to throw me a few dollars a month. Patreon's a great way to support artists because you can give as little as you know, you could give me 50 cents a month, you know, or you can give me ten dollars a month. And all of it goes towards creating art. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 31:41

Yeah, and it's just yeah, uh it's been around for a while. But you don't do anything. I don't do it. Uh I I want to, but is uh there are so many platforms. YouTube, Instagram, I mean there's so many things that you if you have to manage all that, it it becomes insane. So you gotta pick and choose and slowly add one once in a while when you feel comfortable with the others.

SPEAKER_01 32:02

I think it took me so long to get out of band camp. And YouTube and all of it, you know. That's a lot for us uh Gen Xers.

SPEAKER_02 32:16

Well and I think it is point for almost anybody. Some people may get uh a full-time job, you know, and they do very well TikTok and all that, but you have to be you have to have that mindset. It's it's a little tougher to be imaging yourself, you know.

SPEAKER_01 32:33

And creating content constantly.

SPEAKER_02 32:35

Exactly. Sonny, thank you so much for the show. Yeah, thank you for having me. Thank you, thank you. Yeah, no, it was a pleasure.

SPEAKER_01 32:42

Thank you, and yeah, good, good to be here.

SPEAKER_02 32:45

And uh we'll let you know when this is out.

SPEAKER_01 32:46

Okay, great.

SPEAKER_02 32:48

All right. It's a gut, it's a right.

SPEAKER_05 32:52

It's a gun.

SPEAKER_01 32:54

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 33:05

Flowers of the night, gleaming from the moisture.