Deogratius: Religion has DESTROYED Humanity!(THIS IS CONTROVERSIAL!)||EP 85

What’s up No Trollers 🔥
In the studio today we’ve got Deogratius  one of the most intellectual and thought provoking comedians, known for blending deep truths with humor.

We kick things off with a heavy question:What’s the worst thing humanity has ever done?

From there, it only gets deeper…
We talk about whether comedians see the world differently, and if humor is actually a coping mechanism for pain.
We also get into the uncomfortable side of comedy Should comedians be responsible for people’s feelings?Do the funniest people carry the most pain?

And in true Deo fashion… he even shares his wild idea of starting his own calendar and culture, because he believes the southern hemisphere has been getting it completely wrong… confused?
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Filmed by: Rocky the mutator & jordan
Edited by : sean81jax

Chapters;
00:00 Trailer
01:59 The Worst thing Humanity has Done
40:10 Intro
41:46 Who Deogratius is
45:04 The Beyond Empires Project
48:21 Empires were Eliminating cultures
51:22 We are the NEW ANCESTORS
54:34 Deo's comic journey 
01:00:03 What comedy means to Deo
01:02:12 Do comedians view the world differently
01:05:06 Deo's form of comedy
01:06:17 The Cheka tu SPLIT to the birth of Watubaki
01:10:01 is there something you can't joke about   
01:11:02 Are Good Comedians Sad Alot
01:14:50 Deo's 1st Joke that landed
01:18:08 My Tzee side(NT game)
01:23:10  Deo's Big Plan 
01:46:28  The No trolling Questions
02:00:57  What is TRUE POWER?
02:06:02 Outro & Shout outs

Transcript

SPEAKER_02 0:00

What do you think is the worst thing humanity has done so far? Religion? What? Yes, one of the worst things. None of that is strange. Because that's how the world works. Duh! If you don't have the power, we kill you. But is that right? Why are we under systems that we don't like? Waninua generation Flanny. Is that future blah monkey? That can decide for us now. It is also our time. Don't generation here to see Seminasama. It is our time, Yakua, the new ancestors. You're using God to design my mind so I can fall in your empire.

SPEAKER_03 0:47

You're trying to build your own culture. Yes. How? It's possible. First, you no.

SPEAKER_00 0:56

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SPEAKER_03 1:01

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SPEAKER_02 2:15

So far. I mean, that's a lot of history.

SPEAKER_03 2:19

Nah, just like recently? Yeah, no, not recently. Let's not talk about recent events, but in general, like, what do you think is the worst thing humanity has done so far?

SPEAKER_02 2:31

In your in a broad perspective, yeah, in a broad perspective. Yes, what what has humanity done so far that is so worse?

SPEAKER_03 2:40

The worst, you say? To you, to me. Yeah, so it's like damn, did we actually d do that? Religion?

SPEAKER_02 2:49

What yes? You think religion is the worst thing in humanity? One of the worst things, because of Abu. You see, inside a worldview. Okay. If you live on your worldview, you're kwa upadai salam, you are niwa totuakishua pekeo. You get what I mean? Yeah, yeah, yeah. You're not gonna wake up. As we are, vegeto. Okay. You get what I mean? Yeah, okay. Sasa, your space here worldview, sasa see your two days, but where are we? What are we doing as whatever we are? Spirits, human beings, what are we doing? Swari, the this uh kitu ambacokina jaribu kujibu swari. Sawa. Yeah. Ni philosophy? A kini pia inarudi kwa nyamambu yadini, kasababu, if if you get into it's the question of what is good. Okay. Yes. So if it's a question of what is good, binadam seems like shiriki in the sense of trying to answer that question. Binadam wana shiriki trying to answer that question, much as in a wanekana gama nikidu chambari san a. It is also an important question because it also tells you what is valuable in life. It tells you what is possible in life, what you should do in life. It gives your life meaning. There's a word in Aitua anthropomorphizing, which simply put, Nivi, nikutumi avitu ambavo naaviona, kweleze avitu wambavo unaviona, aw vitu sipoviona, including mungu. Do you get what I mean? Okay. So something that started as tunataka kuji align na kinacho enderea kweli, it turned out from the pointy point ya ku tafuta icho, imenda kunye pointtia kompaskia. Sisiapa uh imenda konye ri kosabu li neno religion in a manisha ri legion. Kuna neno legion na ri. Legion is a union. Uh-huh. Katafter to check do up what a legion is, you can Google, is a union. So na ni leo. Kuna same culture. So it's union with God. And what isa nierewas you. Uki na jalibu kukaswa. Iri mambuakwa yawi sawa. Iri knows, changajiki kiyo, iri. You get what I mean? Whatever good that you attach to God, nierewasu, you know, sa, ah, sa isi, mm, muda u. Kwamina voy, mm kwahu, muda wivoka. Mung wata penta ki twiki. Syuna nierewa. You're trying to align yourself. Okay. That is the mission. Sani leva. Uh-huh. Kwayo kumfano kama kunase mutenda utakutauto na kambia. Ah, wana w najuwa. Sisi mwziwa tatu la zima tufanye tambiko, kwasababu, yo inamanisha kwa mwaka umege uka. Uyo muto na choju jalibu kukifanya ni kuye a line na mungu. Shanyye newa siju. Sasa yo ni tofauti kama. Watu wata acha kulishikliyeo swala kuye alig nkweli na mungu. Wakeenda kama wushabiki. A wakenda kanakwamba. Doy na kuja. You're not really aligning yourself. You're not indigen. Ha wukona alignment na mungu. Wanata kufanya religion, kama difufanya ablam. Aw kama difufanya ma babuza tu flani. Without you getting what is the essence of that. Mwishwa siku, unajiana watu waku kunye worldviews, tofauti to fauti.

SPEAKER_03 6:35

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 6:36

You understand what I mean? And sometimes wanagu mbana, we u shangai kinachoito taifa te ure la mungu bro ndu awa na dipuana sa ifi, wa u shangai nicho. Muna kama wonu kwanda wan mfano. You were supposed to be mfano wade union niawa tuenkinas yuna niereba bro. You get what I mean. Yeah. We mucho siku na ishiena vikundi vikundi, of which zina zina sawulicha komba sisi kama bidadam, we're having the same experience. And we are here to create together. Kama milifu kuja kwye podcast yako. I see there is something you're trying to do. Nime kuja kuchiriki. La kini kamota tokiam stadia potasema shon a sishiriki. Kwa sababu shon, ayupona sisi aya align. If that question doesn't really go down to aligning with what is tuna poteza muda. Alafu sasakina chutokeya is is since you've already done that with God. A yishi ya po. Kwayuma to keyake, you you have people who are living in the world. Wa wunafki watu na chukia kaza wusabgan. Because they're not passionate about it. Why aren't people passionate about kazao? Kwa sababu, ya ni yeah nayo kazei indi. Yeah, true. Kinacho takyoku blendi yo abo. Ya ni wembako mezariwa, Ia kose ya nia u ya tafta. What is actually kwa ni ni poapa. Isn't that the most in quest important question to you?

unknown 8:03

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 8:03

Sindeo, in a sense. So now sa babu mtu. Here's the thing. Um to let's let's scale it down this way. Okay, okay. What you KV? Let's just say we upo konye uko kunye me shinya ku tengeneza. Twas a very simple item to earlier.

SPEAKER_03 8:27

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 8:27

Ku tengeneza jami. Kwa nyu teneza jami. Bina dam to naita jiana. Sindio, bro. Sindio. We need to come together, bamboo and kamila uja tengeneza wewe, mike uja tengeneza wewe, gorizova uja tengeneza wewe. Sindio. Yeah. A kini pia sioko baga tenezati aneza kua shoni. Tunaita jiana.

SPEAKER_03 8:45

Sa. Sindio.

SPEAKER_02 8:46

So we need to come together and work together. Absolutely. Sintio. Yes. Sa sa. He cho mtaka choki tengeneza. Ambachu kita wa line less yeny meanziya kwany originienu, what is actually going on, kwa yo what is uh universe, whatever you want to call it, what it is. Ndo inausabisha jin yinbaka utengeneze, mila ambao, ni mila utaita u taratibu, a utaita serikali. Essentially is how we come together. Do you get what I mean? Yes. So, so if we are making how we are going to play this game, kama minimi tenge neza, game mbayo. Uh what is there essentially siokum flaisha kiramtu. Na siota sola siokum flaisha mtu. Siokum nawiirisha kiramtu. You as shown. Yes. So, I might look at you as an idea.

unknown 9:40

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 9:41

So, and you hasu la mungwa meleekapa in the flesh. Okay. So that whatever you are can manifest ize kut okay. Kama ki umko cham choosi. Kwenyo um choose to no pika water. I'm just using allegories here. Oh, okay, okay. You get what I mean? Yes.

SPEAKER_03 10:02

You can't sasa.

SPEAKER_02 10:04

Sasa. Kama mimi nime nime nime tengeneza system and bayo itasema skia mendom yanja zaidi. Sa wa? Yeah. Shon inabidi aniskilise mimi tu. Ni navoyona runia mimi. Ni navotaka yende mimi. Kias kwamba ni mambe shon. Acha wnavyo yi skia about this world. What you have to do is what is practical. And what is praktico. Nini licho se ma mimi kwanye vitabu, kwenye nini, kunye nini. If you live in that world and you are waking up asubui, unamka subui kwana kunye kazi, ambayo essenti. Tukitua swa kwamba utaki kufanja. You don't like it. Sasa kama maisha, niki baba baba, nakimama mama, meaning tuna mwasisi. Why are we under systems that we don't like? Kwa ninu kwana generation flani, kizazi sucha brama ou kizazi chanani, that can decide for us now. Ani fika seemusama ausfanya kazina wuyu. Do you get what I'm saying? The whole purpose you're coming together.

SPEAKER_03 11:14

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 11:14

And it is when we come together that we can create new things. Wasabu we perspective, weako na my shako show ni anaya you ani we we bege ako I have never held the position you have of the spectator of your life. So the only person that can tell your life is you, and it feels like we don't need your story. Yeah, the truth is we do.

unknown 11:42

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 11:42

But if we're going to create a system, Mama, I'm telling you, forget who you are and what you think is actually nice or what you think is needed. What we are actually responding is life itself. If you ask me, religion kwa angumimi ni kata kitu wambaco, I deal with this every day. I deal with this every day. Kosababu is a question of world view, tu ko abakufanya nini. Bakamtuana tu ara tokiaku mchukiam tu mungine. Wenda rabani kwa sababu ino neka kumb bada. Skiakwa mungu alifokuwa amemchagua u mche rakini we hadyaku chagua bado. You say kumchata kuana ishu na mungu. Somebody would develop a problem with god with god. Asakama, if you're developing a problem with supposedly the source of life. If you have a problem with the source itself, kura issua problem. Damn. So that's that's me. I I mean, I think that is anything come now not to speak bad. Uh-uh. Nia siombaya. If you go back to the essence of it, it's just bana eh, see si to kunakitu kimetu weka, pakama nitra kita kitu, au roho, aunini. We must be good with it, I think.

SPEAKER_03 13:26

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 13:27

Because it would know that. And it's not for that thing. The thing did this. We are in it. It is for us. Menona, to me teneza kwa i yetu. I have no problem with that. Lakini kishafi kia ma aria mbapo mimi kama binadamu moja mwye perspective yangu. Nipa konye position yagu to mea a philosophy. A book. A nini. To influence you. In the sense ya kwamba, I want my worldview to be dominant, and only the worldview I want ndo iwe nishida. I'll give you something. Okay. And I'm speaking passionately because I'm about so-called post-colonial Tanzania. Sawa, brother.

unknown 14:15

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 14:17

I'll ask you something. Very crucial. What season is it now in Tanzania? There are four seasons in the world. What season are we going through right now in Tanzania? By that you mean you don't know for sure. I don't know for sure. Exactly. There are four seasons. Kira Ma'ali, these are weather patterns. Zakira Ma'ali. Utakuwa na mwanzo, which is usually spring, Awakwa soiliwa meita masika. Mwanzo wakitu. Utaku na muda mbachu chukitu kimestawi, awkime nawiri, ambao ni uhanaita uh it's summer.

SPEAKER_03 15:03

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 15:04

Right? Yeah. Which is also called uh Kiangazi.

SPEAKER_03 15:07

So you meant season of the year?

SPEAKER_02 15:09

Yes.

SPEAKER_03 15:09

Oh, okay. You know those ones.

SPEAKER_02 15:11

Ah, yeah, but of those seasons: spring, summer, fall, winter. What season are we in, Tanzania? We don't have that type of seasons. You said you don't have those type of seasons, yes.

SPEAKER_03 15:26

Where did you get that answer from? Just uh uh observing the environment we live in. It's always hot, it's always like this, you know, we don't have winter. Yeah, you we can say it's always summer down here. It's always summer.

SPEAKER_02 15:43

That's in from my research, that's wrong. But I will also clue in Kwamba, Olympia in a Usika Po Lipo, I'll tell you something very simple, and I want you to see this.

SPEAKER_03 15:54

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 15:56

Kuna weather, climate.

SPEAKER_01 15:59

Uh-huh.

SPEAKER_02 16:00

So weather nikinacho to okay, I see peppermint I view people, it can change anytime. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Climate ni una you study weather pattern for 29 to 30 years. Then you can say this one is tropics, this one is that. Do you get what I mean? Okay. Sasa, iso weather patterns, we keep na climate. There are some places which are very cold, climate-wise. Okay. Cindy, um, England, Greenland, or notakua, Greenland and stuff. Cindy. Yeah, yeah. It freezes.

SPEAKER_03 16:37

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 16:38

So, yeah. Huku kwetu, it doesn't freeze. But it does not mean that we don't have a winter season. Okay. Winter, see you, winter nibari, aya bari ni muziwangapi upadya upper of Tanzania.

SPEAKER_03 16:55

Uh, mwizwasita, mwzosava, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 16:58

Kipindicha juakari, kiangazi ni muziwangapi, juwakari, yyoto kari. Uh, December. Baka musi. Baka mwziwa pili. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Haya kipindi, ah, sasas no kuja. Kipindicha masika. What's masika? Aya spring.

SPEAKER_03 17:14

Spring. Probably around April.

SPEAKER_02 17:17

Unaona sas. Sasa, I will tell you something. Tanzania patenzake zekwe, ukichunghuza. Patents a Tanzania. Masika. Nimweziwa Tisa. Kwazea traditional tatu. That's when you have spring for Tanzania. Why? Because Tanzania is in the southern hemisphere of the world. Ukiricho ali duala kuna ikapali. Yeah. Wanawish uku. Wana seasons to fauti naza kule. Uh-huh, uh huh. Kama mbavo you hariko uku. Hadiko kule saisi. Kunamaineo, aliiko kule domana ni wusiku. You get what I'm saying. Yeah, yeah. Iwazakani uku, ikawa mchana. Alafu kule, mda wo wo. Let's just pick a country, come uh, I don't know, let's pick one of the countries, Turkey or whatever. Uh, coordinates, but it's like we are not gonna have that. Sara. Bear with me. Spring ni mmuzi wa tisa. Iki isha yo spring, inakuya summer, do yo kipendia yotokari. Kwa yo summer time da resala mmukita ku sema. Sio mwezi wa sita. Ni mwezi wa kuminambili mbaka mwezi wa piri. Ukiya fall season inakuja itulifo marisa sasa wa wakumi nambili wwapiriri. Sa wa piri mbaka wa okay. Ni myezi, kwanza seasons ni siku tisi n tisini. Do you get what I mean?

SPEAKER_01 18:50

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 18:50

Ni siku tisini tisini. Siku tisini za spring, kwetu zananza to me semma 23rd of September. To at least the twenty-third of uh or the twenty-first of December.

unknown 19:03

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 19:05

Then season in of wata inatokayu 23rd of uh December to add 90 days up, to nazumziya to the 23rd of December, uh January, February, too much-ishina tatua. The math works, kububuki to kichuani. Aye. And then ukitoka apo, kuna season io sasa, ambayo ina ansa um after that after after after after the summer season, inakuya fall season. And bayo uom simu wa fall, uta toka io uhy mbaka uu mwezi wa sita. Ukimarisa wu mweziwa sita po uh tare kine ta ishina tatumaziwa sita. Get the dates just iso sikini, just calculate you see. Ukimariza iso, ntokita kuja echo ki pindi chabarini sas. Sawa. Bada ki pindi chabarini, you go which is called winter, you go winter to again what? Spring. Circle of the year. Any part of show? No, no, I'm with you, bro. Now here's my thing. I'm with you. Northern hemisphere, it's the vice versa of that. Uh-huh. So, yes, spring ya onimozi wa tatu. Wakati ukuta kuwa, fall. Samaya onimozi wa sita. Nomana onaga wana kwambiaga summertime. When they're saying summertime, it is summertime for the northern hemisphere. Now, sampi and they are coming for a summer break. It is summer there. Lakin ukiya uku see your summer, brother.

SPEAKER_01 20:56

True.

SPEAKER_02 20:56

Ni winter.

unknown 21:00

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 21:00

Do you get what I mean? Yes. Same applies with the fall. Evo evil. Ukua fall, ukukita kwakwetu, spring. Sasa, here's the thing. Here's the kicker, my brother. Here's the kicker. Human beings, ukiwa study binadam. Quite too one of technese culture. So one of the things they observe nihi tuna uh spring solstice uh spring equinox, yeah ni you wa kuluni spring, kunayo summer equinox, kuna fall solstice, uh equinox, alafu kuna, spring uhuna kuna winter equinox. So, watu wana yndaga pia ku tengeza matambiko ni to mere no gani? Matambiko. Matambiko. What does that mean? Kutambika is rituals.

SPEAKER_03 21:49

Rituals, okay, okay, okay. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 21:52

Ukienda, Northern Hemisphere. Kwa cultures, Zilizo Toka, kunyo tamaduni wa Abraham. Una jo tamadun ni wahram ni upi bro. One that makes Abraham is the founding father of the Jewish religion, Christian religion, and the Islamic religion who are also fighting. Why are they fighting? And they are from the same. We will get back to that someday, maybe. Sasa, for them, the ritual they have for spring. Ritual no wefanya kwamasika. Tambi kola masika kwanyo tamadunio Abraham. Easter is them saying, thank you, God, we are back in spring. The year is back again. Sau bro.

unknown 22:44

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 22:45

Ido nayona Christmas, winter. This is why it's always a white Christmas. And it's snowing. Snoo.

unknown 22:58

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 22:59

Sasa, let me ask you a question. Kwa ni nim Tanzania Ali e kuhuku Ana shere kea Chrismasi. Kibind in Shadisemba. Aki mwambia mungu. Asante kwa balidi. Wakati you wa ni kali. Dam. Welcome to the world of mental colonialism. What we did is a copy and paste of what is going on in the northern hemisphere. And because empires, whether near British, it's the German Empire, how doja walokoya upanzibas inanyawa wanaj? It's the empires you talk about man. Do you get what I mean? They're using the same tradition. Do you get what I mean? Yes. So what is going on here is this to kwasababu to ritawaliwa nawale. Nawane walifu fika. They did not want to align the rituals. Because when they came in, they came in as conquerors. Inga, when you listen, when I compare, colonialism was supposed to, it is us helping the ones who wakun. Yeah. Do you get what I mean?

SPEAKER_01 24:17

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 24:17

So now, kama niya kunikum sa idea kwali mtu bro. Kwanini umfanyisha ilo tambiko. Kwaninu mgewziye evo. Kwanini mwambe mtu asemi asante mungu kwa masika. Wakati kwake ni fall. Kwanini mwambe mtu ashere ke kwamba hini winter. Wakati kwake ni summer. You're doing that not because you're really trying to help, if you ask me. You're using God to design my mind so I can fall in your empire. And then also you did ask me what is the to eyotelian, what is the worst thing? And then I think close to religion, I think what I'm trying to say, I should have said the worst thing is empires. Use religion. What I am describing here, yeah, ni aina yeah, let's come together, but we are not really coming together together to help you. You, you, and what you see. Really, it's sort of every man for himself, but again, it's not because it's me in the position of power. Do you get what I mean? Yeah. So now, if it's flipped like that, what how is that practical? Kosabu nezan come on give it to you another year shown. Tell me this. Tell me this. Niambia catalog yanguo. And let's say, just let's just to week a very grounded kaba biashara. See, okay, okay. Mimi na design uh na na na nafanya biashara anguo. Let's say I'm a designer. Okay, what uh uh what uh what design do I see let's say on TV kipindi chasama? No na matuny waku laya, waku pande mungini wa mefango za nini zabadini zunani wandomana naito kufana fashion fashion ziokin tu chakufiya. Fashion in a taki wa ifati sh ulipokwe po sintio bro. Iananava winta gia, balabalani yuwa kali. Pasababu TV ina o nyesha ivo. Yo manake ni nini bro. Bado we we umeta wali wa. Because you cannot even trust your eyes to be like, mm mm. Here I make sensi. But why do you do that? I'm not saying it's an easy life to wish to foute. Yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure. It's not easy. You do that because that's the system you grew in. And I'm saying this very passionately.

SPEAKER_03 27:08

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 27:12

For every soul that's here, we are here to create, we are here to know ourselves, and we'll know ourselves by coming together. I will shout out Dolo the Pilot Man. Um YouTube also. Um, he is if you're speaking culture-wise, yeah, yeah, I may talk. He's a Native American.

unknown 27:39

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 27:40

He's been on YouTube for years teaching. But what I like about him, among many other things, because he did help me put my mind together, is this he's truly embarking into the question of how can we come together as souls so every person can contribute the right way? It's not, he usually says it's not what you do, it's how you do it.

unknown 28:13

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 28:14

So we're doing fashion as Tanzanians. How are we doing it? Is fashion about expressing yourself? Is fashion about embracing your culture? Is fashion about you contributing to your culture? Or is fashion about giving you the right status so that you can get that job that in reality to gisha in your good one? Because it's neglecting you. So empires is the worst thing that's the worst things that human beings have done, creating empires, because empire internally motives conquering. So, like there's these Roman wars in Africa. The word is punitive wars, it's like wars of punishment. How dare you go against God? But why is your God? And it's not even your God, your conceptualization of God. It will alienate me from myself.

SPEAKER_03 29:35

Well, I feel like, guys, that is one of the longest answer I've ever had to listen to. And the thing is, though, what I like about your mind, bro, it's like you really go deep. What made you so passionate about this thing, bro?

SPEAKER_02 29:57

Um, is who I am? Yeah. In a sense, remember about the conversation of a soul.

SPEAKER_03 30:04

Yeah. So I remember.

SPEAKER_02 30:05

Alright. So I'll keep picking and I'll I'll keep maybe I'll put the credit where it's due. Yeah. The theory that I'm using, one of the things, and it's not really, yeah, a concept of way of explaining just as I'm using it. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I'll put it credit qua, Dolo, the pilot mind. I'll keep saying that name. Yeah. Because he really made me understand soul, what the spirit is in a sense, what the mind and what the body, and how these things work together.

unknown 30:39

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 30:40

So essentially, spirit is not a thing. As I I said the last time, yeah. If you want to call that God, Sawa, you are just an individuation of God. You are not the God. You're not the entire spirit. You're not the entire space. You're just one point of view of the entire space.

unknown 31:07

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 31:07

You get what I mean? So, you best wea nafsiako, iriwe, uji you we.

unknown 31:20

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 31:21

Life is an exercise to know yourself. It is actually. And the closer you get to yourself, the closer you get to God. Because when God said, now I'm using that. I'm using one of the I'm using a um from the Abrahamic traditions. Abrahamic tradition? Eh, na miawodi. Yeah. Nimila. Sawa. So from the Abrahamic tradition, wanna quote yao, wanaansema mungwa me kumba kwa na nfanwa.

SPEAKER_03 32:00

Yeah. So if you get to know yourself better, you get to know God.

SPEAKER_02 32:05

Now. Sasa. If you get to know yourself better, you get to know God. Sasa. With mungwa mekumbakwa sula na mfanuwake, the first thing you see is your body. So the first thing you're going to do is to think that God also must have a body. Oh, ningi flani. Yani, you will you will keep implying your reality to what God is. Because what God is, they will describe it close to a human being. Sindomana wametuaga pictures am Zlani and Devu. You get what I mean? Yes. You get what I mean? And trust me, if you could talk to a fly, that's not how they would describe God. Flies? If they could speak their conceptualization of God or what feels like God to them, Hatakuam too. The thing is, as human beings, because of empires and religions, we are so narcissistic in the sense of that we think everything goes around us. You get what I mean? So for that, it won't be that. So if it's about knowing yourself, Nanimesema, cultures, Tamaduni, Mila, Zitakwa Saeed to Kwangu, let me just say. If they are helping me with that, if they're telling me of a particular perspective, and one thing people ah, you you speak before you speak. One thing about Tazani is very religious. It is, right? Nami Sina Shida nawa Tanzania. Because if you talk to these religious people, Nia. They just want to align. Most people want to align. They know that they are not them, them, and they did not cause them. There's something else. In another sense, they are really trying to align with themselves and what is. Lucky. And and and I can say that confidently. Do you get what I mean?

SPEAKER_01 34:38

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 34:46

Wasababu if you ukifatiya historiya wa Tanzania. The the the man who had the dream to colonize Hapatuna Popayita Tanzania Saivi. Nikal Peters.

SPEAKER_03 34:58

Damn, I haven't heard that name in a long time.

SPEAKER_02 35:00

Yes, man. Mimuny Mayha niggasha many chapter bagarchitas. Yes! Because that's the setup. Kalpita Nim Toto Mchungadi and his dream, because Nae Adi Kuriaki Pindi and Bacho German Empire Empire is growing now. It means there are other empires. Ah, the British Empire.

SPEAKER_00 35:34

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 35:36

So Kabitas, his dream was Ajeuku, Atenbe exotic lands, Naiki was riding a horse, horse, any just go around this place. Panda Falasi, Falasi Akana Shokana, Napanda Munkenia Swat, Shangar. But also akimarisa, Arudinam tumwa, moja kutoka kuetu. Shanirewa si. This is the mindset of the man. Shanierewa. So now, why was he thinking like that? It's not because he was an evil person. And this is where I want Tanzanians to see themselves in Kalpitas. Kalpitas yo kumba li kwana roombaya blo na yea rikwana taka. Nchiake iwesawa. And he believed kwambanafasiake mungu. Wa kweli. Kuja wuku. Kutusaidia sisiambo. Hatwerewe tulipo. As if that's possible.

unknown 36:46

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 36:47

Umenirewa. Yeah. So they walked in here, nosika to keyzu zakusani mikata baza nini. But there's a documentary on YouTube. Telaniye kidumani. I'll give you a link to it. But whoever is watching it, download it first. Don't I want you to have it first in case they take it out. But that documentary, what I live about it, Nikwamba, ukiangarezi discussions as Nazoito Koloni. The way they were talking to these guys, it was simple. Like one of the things they were like, listen, you guys in Ponyuma. Sawa. We'll help you first things to know the true God. Which is we'll give you our worldview. And after that, we'll teach you how to count. Which is the basis, the foundation. Yakanisa. Nashule. Which is like we're going to help those guys who are uncivilized, Wafikie, Tulipo. You get what I mean? So, Atoki Fatiria historia za kipindichi with Kalpitas. What was going on then, Ulaya, was this idea of selling to a common person. Because it's not the kings and queens who came down here. It was regular people like you. Kwambabana. We need to civilize those people. So a person who is not in the sitting on the king's chair, empire, anakuja uku kwajina la mungu, kalpita sasa, kuja kutu sa idea sisi, sawa, anakutana tuko new mana sisi. So even the majimajin nini, it was war to destroy mostly of what was here, because it's considered backwards. To bring in the new thing. Here's what I'm saying. Why I'm saying what Tanzania should see themselves in Kalpitas? Because we are not in different circumstances in a Kalpita right now. Most of these ideas that are pushed as this is the best for us. This is what you ought to do. It's going on through the whole Nidunyan Zima. Not saying everyone is going through that, but I'm saying it's a state of the human condition.

unknown 39:29

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 39:29

Now, Kiricho Kosewa Ni Kwamba, you had systems a calpita, which took away the meaning from life itself. So what is a Tanzanian to do? Let's say, or like, what am I doing?

unknown 39:51

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 39:52

Yeah, yeah. I feel like just phrase it in a way, what you are what are you practicing right now that is helping you navigate right now.

SPEAKER_02 39:58

Okay.

unknown 39:59

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 40:00

And I think I think this would have been a better path because then I would put it in my personal.

SPEAKER_03 40:05

Yeah, this is all a personal perspective on the research he has done so far. I mean, before before he keeps on going, guys, oh my god. Welcome back on another episode of the No Trolling Podcast, ladies and gents, no trollers and friends of the show. Uh, I mean, that was one of the longest intros I've shot ever in this podcast. And guys, this is episode 8085. Yeah, this is episode 85 of the No Trolling Podcast, man. Welcome back, guys. Thank you very much. In front of you right now, in front of me, actually, but in front of your screen right now, is uh this guy is one of the funniest, most philosophical comedians, very intellectual comedians. As you can see, he's already demonstrated his intellectual capabilities. You know what I mean? And uh he goes by the name Deo Gracious. Karibu Sana, welcome back to the show. He's also one of the founders of Watubaki uh comedy. And uh today I'm sitting down with Del just to like get to pick his mind on different perspectives of things that I'm curious about, about what he's done in his life and the things he believes in, as you can tell, you already explained uh a huge amount. I'm pretty sure you guys need to really sit back and like lock in, get a notebook or something, because this guy he has a lot to say, and honestly, uh it's an honor to sit down with you again. I've had him uh in earlier episodes, but we really didn't take, we didn't use that opportunity well to really understand who Dale is. So today, Mr. Dale, I really want to get to know you, bro.

SPEAKER_02 41:49

All right, man. I don't know if it will take one episode, but yeah, man.

SPEAKER_03 41:54

Let's try to do the most we can with this episode.

unknown 41:58

Yeah, man.

SPEAKER_02 41:58

Regularly, okay. So simply put, me, I'll put up Tanzania, bro. If a cara is where I uh chaga, what to awedi. Okay uh family Christophabisa, ten Ikeoliki. Okay I went to an English medium primary school. English medium primary school, okay. They go together. Found uh Fazini friend because they were working with uh Shirikali Kokule, Swiss Hospitalia, St. Francis. But also Kula Kunakita Kuna kitucha malaria, church research. I wouldn't say malaria, research, including malaria and stuff. So that's when I grew uh I grew uh when my father and uh the institutions there, and I was a Zwengine, they had this idea of like why don't we have an English medium school and bio, then that means they had to get together with other parents uh to make it happen. And I'm saying that story because from that story, I mean Fundisha, not really a responsibility, but the power, the power of just regular people to organize and create circumstances. So, yeah, so name kuriya uko, and I I did uh uh bear but a hill and I I I I did uh uh of course, uh Jombe. But I also I studied lawiza shiria and then uh Italy. I got a scholarship, I got a scholarship master. I mean, what's the in English? It's i it's masters, just masters. My masters is in comparative law, economics, and finance. That's what I started in masters. And that masters is simply trying to rethink the way the world is organized beyond what we call the market.

unknown 44:18

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 44:20

Let the market decide. Okay. You know what I mean? So is when it clicked to me that Nasemaga, I'm not a lawyer that's funny. I've always been an artist, I've always been like a comedian, creative, rapper, creative. Yes.

SPEAKER_03 44:41

You're a rapper too. Yes, man.

SPEAKER_02 44:43

Damn. Yes. Like in school days. But I think I'll rap one of these days. But the way I think that's gonna come up. The theater space. Okay. In that space. Anyway, we'll it's some of these things I'm working on. But I'll definitely have been tempted to do music.

SPEAKER_03 45:03

Uh speaking of things that uh, sorry to cut you off. Speaking of things that you're working on, what's something that's been taking so much of your time recently?

SPEAKER_02 45:10

Uh, what has been taking most of my time recently is uh something called Beyond Empires. Beyond Beyond Empire. This same concept from earlier? Yes, which is so umona ayoton. Yeah. So me upon I am rebuilding culture. Any, what should I say? Um Natneza Milampia, and specifically Kutokia kwa nya upande of the Southern Hemisphere. Becauseunguza Kamawa to no ka Southern Hemisphere. Wana share winter, wakatuwa summer. Do you get what I mean? You're trying to build your own culture. Yes. How it's possible. First, you you need to talk to people who know what you're doing, for example, the whole of the place. Are you trying to build your own empire? No, I'm not trying. That's why it's called beyond empires. Okay. Na Fikiria style Nyingine, you're Nadam Kuja Pamoda, and build things that is beyond empires. America is an um is the American Empire. You know, uh the British is the British Empire. And we had a time that say the sun never sets in the British Empire. It means you get what I mean? So, empires are the ones running the world right now. Empires, I mean from you, you are under one.

unknown 46:40

Damn.

SPEAKER_02 46:40

Do you get what I mean? In a sense, oh, you are under a world that kwakiaski kuba echo. Nahere also say this. Yer isemaga, we as Tanzanians, that's his dream. Like, we as Tanzanians are not trying to build an empire. Empire niu mafia, and sula ni rewa. To solid consolidate my power. Why do you think there can be so much knowledge? Akinwatu wa peani. It's because the mode of organization, it does not come from, as I said earlier. Kwamba, we are here together trying to get every person to be best the best version of themselves. Okay. You get what I mean? Yeah. Kaka. If you look at the resources that human beings have right now, just right now. So Angalai communicative power with the sport. This is this is the communication space. This is not only communication, this is media.

unknown 47:45

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 47:47

You look at the technological advancements. But we have them because the systems that we have built and the way we have come together don't incentivize that. I will use an example from a man who I know is actually doing this currently, and I got inspired from him.

SPEAKER_03 48:13

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 48:14

That Dolo the Palotman. Okay, that. I keep saying that because here's the thing. Unayono young American Unayo napa sa Ivy, bro.

unknown 48:23

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 48:23

So Christopher Kolumbas are gundu American.

unknown 48:26

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 48:27

So Lakini in reality, Ninani Pia Christopher Kolumbasia. Well has a contact after this impia savi. You don't have the resources. So the people that funded Christopher Columbus was the British Empire. Yes. Walivofika kule, wali kutawatu. And similar to what they did here, or even worse. How many Native Americans do you have you ever seen a Native American? No. What happened to those people? I don't know. Check. Utakundua. They were wiped out. System. I heard they were moved. Yeah, they were moved. Ah, there were so many tribes. Kama Sisi. Kulkona tribes nyengi to make a komengi. So Jamai for Fika wuku, uh from the British Empire. Uh Wadianza, like first of all, it was trading. Trading, trading. And then when the Empire decided that to meshawa Soma, and we want to take them over around, I think, the 1700s, is when you now got these open out wars. And some of them were moved from the places or isoku a me kawaka movie interior or something. This is on YouTube. You can also check. Um, is it Johnny Harris? I is it John Harris? Yes, there's also a guy on YouTube. I'll share the link who has this. Now, this is just like mainstream. Like I wouldn't call that guy mainstream, but anyway, let's just go with him. When a detail of how this empire took these guys out, did away with their culture, and to a point, to a large extent, still this culture. You get what I mean? So, but none of that is strange because that's how the world works. Duh! If you don't have the power, we kill you. But is that right? What do you think happens after that? So now, if we we we look at him, marginalized, but they have not thrown away their culture. And this guy himself, he is his mission, which I've been inspired with, is like, listen, our ancients, we call the ancient Romans, our whatever ancients, did they have any capacity that you don't have now? Utaguntu wa apana, but the interests they had and the time they spent was different from you. He was not looking at how can I get a career? No. He was trying to create a system for him, his kids, and the collective. And that is also business. It doesn't mean if you're doing and building a system, every person can come through. You get what I mean? Yeah. Then it's not business. So he is saying the ancient had their time. It is also our time. It is our time. Ya kuwa the new ancestors. We have we it depends on what questions we ask. If you ask in tapataje ka, intapataje hela. Hela is a tool. Okay. As we know now, it's a tool. You get what I mean? And the banking system is also part of the global economy. So you are for you saying you want money, and you want money doing what is here, you're going to subscribe to a system that is already here, Cynthia, and you will get that job. But if you say I want to build a better possibility, then your motivation is not money. Your motivation could be, let me talk to that YouTube guy. Because he's doing one, two, three, four, five that I like, and I think it aligns with what I'm with what I am doing. You get what I mean? So mimi, mze, mimi na mini vini yukumla w mtuane ishi apu anapo ishi. Ye kutegneza uta a tibu mbo naizesha maishayake. Apo na maishayake kukuta na watu wasem zinkine. That responsibility uki chungguza tu metupa. Awkama tuyatupa, kuna institutions flani tu mezi pa kani sa shule politico machinali. Nanin tenakime baki entertain us because celebrities also tells uh tell us what to aspire to. And what else I'm forgetting? And one more. What is that? Uh yes. Atasheria, the the the way we run businesses. Okay. But can we do better? Yes. Can are we the generation that could change the human species way of doing things? Of course, yes. Are we going to do that? It would depend.

SPEAKER_03 54:34

Mr. Dale. I know you truly love and your passion about a comedy as well. And I wanted to know, like, how did your pet comedian journey start? Comic journey.

SPEAKER_02 54:51

I've always been uh as you said, in a penta comedy. Yeah. Actually, theater. Theater. Yes. Keep singing me. I realized like I'm I I enjoy more being on live on stage than filming die. So I'm one of those. I was the dancer when you be paimara, nikwana as I say, a comedian, and then music and stuff. So I've always had that creative urge. Okay. But my journey, Kabisaya, where which led to where I'm now in the NZ, roughly I can put it, when I decided to do stand-up list.

SPEAKER_03 55:30

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 55:31

Taking this genre. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 55:33

Around 2016. 2016. Yes. Okay. Um were you um in religious at that point?

SPEAKER_02 55:42

Yes, I was religious at that point. When you started comedy. Yes, Kabisa. If I'll tell you this, I'm a kumina sita, um, kuna mashidano earli and jalio a comedy. Okay. Stand-up comedy. I was already na doing it. Dogosana Chuoni Ligari Bunani, but essentially there was a Mashidana Bukuku, Elkonaitua Valu comedy nights, nekaudition, magala, nina bagara ni kaudition, nika pita, and then I won that competition. Okay. But here's the thing, here's the religious part. Kabras yaenda kun nye finalia, you see kun nili pigamago tikwa wa to wa katoliki, nili sali le sara babaetu, arafunika se myve mungu, kama e comedy na leta kalibu na wee, fuleshi ni shindeleo na mambu endere. But if this is going to take me any further from you. Na siokoyo comedy se pendi. But somehow then I knew, somehow I just knew if you are doing something you don't like, it is hell itself. Anyway, this fanya that I knew a lot at then. Then I started doing the comedy, nikafanya yo nika shinda. Then I left for that master's. When I came back, when I I as I said, I realized that I'm not uh a lawyer that's funny, but I'm rather a funny dude that studied law. That's nice. So now um uh what I studied there, now the type of questions that I engaged there. It was around the same thing as I said, changing the world and seeing alternatives. There is gonna be a limit, maybe, if I'm a lawyer to what I can do and and attack my my things. But also I saw the power in arts when you communication and stuff.

unknown 57:37

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 57:38

So this is when I said, I want to do this. When I came here, I held like a day job, and then as I'm there, I did like one, two shows, three shows. Nikacha nakazi, and then it went full time. Now it's aon to kipendi na jengwa chakatu na zumziam yaka ifumbina kumina nane. Okay, chekatu started at 2019. No, go to 2017, but I joined it, I think, around 2018.

SPEAKER_01 58:06

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 58:10

2020 2019 is when I did my first stand-up comedy special. And then after that, we kuna story our tubaki to where I'm at right now.

SPEAKER_03 58:24

Okay, so the transition from Chekatu to Watubaki. Um it was in when was I what was the time frame for that?

SPEAKER_02 58:31

The time frame I think that was also, I think, around 2020. There was a split party. Long story, but there was a split uh in Chekatu. Yes, me and some other dude, we left. The other guys we left, and then we did a different, we did, we did a different thing. So, yeah, and as far as God, comedy, everything you see, I'm doing, I'm looking at it along the lines we are speaking about. Like, it's not separate from God. Yan, you cannot imagine that model for me doesn't work anymore. Okay, the model you are after we die here is when we meet God. I'm trying to say God is not that boring. Yani, he has a way subtle and beautiful model. So it's like, how can I use this to to blossom myself to to to to to have the best version of myself because I believe that is when I will achieve, like, not really achieve, but that's when you're walking that path. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, money, but also productivity and stuff. But also, like, in that feeling of there's you can do something with this stuff. It's not just ha ha ha, it's a language, you can build a whole entire world with comedy.

SPEAKER_03 59:59

Yes, with comedy, with art, with okay. What does comedy mean to you, bro?

SPEAKER_02 1:00:09

Comedy is making light of things. Making light of things. Okay. Yani. It's like you may be going through pain. Like any comedy is that one space where you can go in, talk about that pain as if it's not you, and laugh about it. You get what I mean? It's it's a space open gabisa when you're a human mind. So it's it's the art of here's why, here's how uh comedy is spiritual for me.

unknown 1:00:49

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 1:00:50

So Saivi, what I see clearly here is the body. But essentially, I'm not the body. But if I think like all the time, here's what happens. Because then you feel there is everything is disconnected from you. You are alone. You should get what I mean. You're looking at things from a space of the world, is not vast. So small. But is that true? Kama lile neno dinosema kwa watu abraham, lider no sema nahiri na pita too. You get what I mean? So for me, comedy isa, so that you can also look at your life, laugh at it, but as you're laughing at it, you're essentially admitting that you're beyond that just at this physical thing. Una juahin. But also comedy has if I'm going to put it quite generally, it's language, it's a type of language.

SPEAKER_03 1:02:10

Yes. Okay. Um do you feel like comedians view the world differently compared to normal people? What I think comedians have is we have the art.

SPEAKER_02 1:02:26

Yeah, could you talk when you're circumstance?

SPEAKER_03 1:02:33

You remove yourself from the equation.

SPEAKER_02 1:02:34

Yes. Which is like giving a new perspective to what is going on. Okay, now let's get let's take technical. For instance, one of the laughter triggers is recognition. Recognition. Yes. Okay. Which is which means this. You're laughing because relating to the joke. Exactly. Okay. Another one is incongruity. Two things that are not, they don't look alike. But if you put them together, you can't get a little bit of a couple of things. You are not seeing those two. You're not seeing the connection between the now you you now now you're seeing how those two things can come together. That's crazy, bro. You see now? Now it's still coming. Now that's a gonna come back to four sana laba. Oh my god. So the joke says, the joke says, uh, confirmable the joke is like the opening songs are like Nina Ringa Nina Dinga Nina Yesumi. You get what I mean? Yeah. Singeri religious. You didn't think they would come together. But you seeing them fitting together and creating vina puya pamoja, and then somehow they are fitting together while they are not supposed to be fitting together, that's a laughter trigger to a human being. Okay, okay. But after all of these triggers, and this is where the space from comedy to essentially, I don't know, art we're gonna call it. Okay. Or impact. What are you trying to say, you? What are you trying to do? You have laughter triggers, you know the culture our Tanzania. What are you trying to do with that? You trying to just get paid, which is nothing wrong with just getting paid. Yeah, yeah. But don't complain if it's meaninglessness, hey, that's the deal. Or do you want to do something more? In a ruddy party party to come up on me to a buy and he's a funny speech, who can speak and stuff, yeah, man.

SPEAKER_03 1:05:06

I mean, so what what type of comedian are you? Because so far, what I've from just watching your stand-ups and watching your shows, I I I figured you're very, very all comedians are somehow intellectual. I can say almost all of them are because creating a joke and uh creating those uh triggers you said to laugh triggers for people to laugh is pretty strategic. And I just want to know what's your niche like when it comes to comedy, what's the type of comedy you like making?

SPEAKER_02 1:05:38

Uh okay, so definitely because I said live, it'll be stand-up and um satire.

unknown 1:05:48

Satire.

SPEAKER_02 1:05:48

Satire. And satire simply means you use comedy to do social commentary or use comedy. Exactly. Okay, so just like When you meet in the comedy clubs, guys, you're so political. No, I'm just talking about what is happening right now and what's into people's minds. Okay, okay. Damn. How long have you been doing comedy like consistently?

SPEAKER_03 1:06:10

Like I think, I think nine years now. Yeah, okay, yeah, yeah. And um, when you st when you guys founded um Watubaki, what was the vision for it?

SPEAKER_02 1:06:23

Ah, at the time the vision was more driven from the artistic angle. Listen. Kunanam na situna comedy na isa kweda, which also goes back to the split. Okay. That has got down to the split. Okay. Kunanamna vision liquani, blow, eh. For some years. Yes. Is there a possibility of creating an environment? Now, actually, it was sustaining the environment that got us there. Unayle like the disciplines that got us there. Roho, Una job bro comedy tansaniapia stand-up and make a faster sana kwa sababu. We worked together.

SPEAKER_03 1:07:14

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 1:07:15

How to nafanya kazi pamoja.

SPEAKER_03 1:07:17

Pamoja.

SPEAKER_02 1:07:17

In the sensi ya kwamba chekatu, watubaki, kuna kuna sort of tuna zita rehearsals, but really they are writing sessions.

SPEAKER_03 1:07:26

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 1:07:27

So people show up there with yo, me nataka nifanya comedy, and a two, four lines or something. You look at him, he looks like he can present. Then we start to like nature. Bana, you nayuna utawi chekeshe wap. Utake chekesheap. This used to happen. It is happening.

SPEAKER_03 1:07:48

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 1:07:48

Right now. It is happening right now. Asasa koopandio watubaki. Yeah. So here kweza kfungwa moyo evo. Uyu kukaguwa seti amtu. Yule kuongkezea material yamtu. Sunani. Yeah. Ika tengeza competition. Kabisa.

unknown 1:08:07

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:08:07

Unless you change the meal. Akini sio sasa, aikwa ire kari mbao sasa, una yoko ubaya wa competition, ine competition and bao is like a must win, even at the cost of the product. Okay. Yali womba to me and atakatu nio atakama si youi sana cham singi wana ni sha uwa me chekesha. And it's not a craft.

unknown 1:08:29

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 1:08:30

Kwamba mana, okay, we are competing. I can w meona jokuya ang. Well, me uwa ira joki structure. Oh, you me wama gone yokumisku take me as you nam to mungina kuja and dika joke let's say he has been doing it for a month, two months, and a wua nautoambiadam when yokyaku kari ni. You get what I mean? Oh, you can sell a joke. Well, like, yeah, sometimes mtonza ka confirm on my special that sematus yatulia is not mine. Yani to riko rehearsal, and then another guy came in with like a set, a little mafta, alikuja na setyakana dika reitua uh sematus yatulia, which it means this. You say you are special kiangaria. By the way, I'm going to drop it on YouTube, by the way. Iko nipe, but I'm gonna put it on YouTube. Um, joke the the point of that set ni kwamba Tanzakiram Tanzania wekana you any yo issue anywhere. You know that feeling? Yeah, and but it's like bro, I won't get too yeah, you get what I mean. So I took that from him trying to do a joke, nick it just a joke, and there were other people involved also like Mpedeo, and then like oh manango Nayomba, and then I polished it from like just a joke. Okay, and then to make it an entire scene, yeah that created a special, yes.

SPEAKER_03 1:10:00

Damn. Um what do you refuse to joke about? Like something you cannot touch at all. Do I have something I cannot touch at all? Oh, damn, you can touch anything.

SPEAKER_02 1:10:12

I yeah, but because also like jokes, what on as it kuriakama jokes, they look at jokes as ha ha no, you any monango jokes is na zooland queri. It's I mmu emotional stuff. It's an emotional nah, monangdom as you. So because it's an emotional, it's an emotional space, anywhere abako be nadam, of course, there are things that you cannot succeed to write jokes about, kutokaran as in structure and stuff. But if you can structure it, because the person going through that situation to see that they're not the only one, maybe, and also to see a different perspective on this idea to lighten up or something. So I I don't have a topic that I don't touch.

unknown 1:11:00

Okay, okay.

SPEAKER_02 1:11:01

Makes sense.

SPEAKER_03 1:11:02

Um I've been seeing uh also like from how I've noticed or and how I observe comedy, you you tend to realize that uh a good comedian is a comedian that's has gone through a lot.

SPEAKER_02 1:11:20

Like which adds to it.

SPEAKER_03 1:11:23

Is you're you you're using humor to suppress the the the pain you're going through.

SPEAKER_02 1:11:28

You you confano um saying that I'll I'll pick one of the guys that I used to watch. Uh not used to watch that inspired me, Richard Pryor. Richard? Richard Pryor. Pryor. Yes. Okay. Richard Pryor grew up uh is it Illinois, Maricani? But bro, my shake is rough, bro. And there's some jokes there he makes. Yeah. I used to laugh at them, and then when I understood, let's say Maricani Novufire because you said this is some dark stuff. He had this joke, one, one joke of him talking about um um his ma uh joke ni kwamba. Okay, he grew up around the area of like Bane. He was talking about a dude showing up and telling you where is your mother. But that dude is just going to sleep with your mother because he was around that area. You get what I mean? It's some dark stuff. And then, but he made it jokes he made funny. Another of him I liked was Yandroa. Talaka's Americani. Talaka. Talaka is like you see why people sign prenuptual agreement. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Because then I know what Taraka means. I just want to. Yes, I'm saying you I'm saying it's that spacey and by the warning. Okay, yeah. He married uh as a white woman. So the joke goes like the wife showed up, the wife showed up in court, and he didn't recognize her because she showed up so innocent with a dress. She looked like a little girl, and she said, Who is this bitch? And then when she got there, Akatoa testimony, everybody was crying, including the judge who's crying, but he's exaggerating. The judge was crying, and the judge looked at him and told him, Nigga, we want everything. Because then Skunamamba wugana man, he was like, We want everything. You have dreams, we want them too. But it's funny, up until it happens to you, yeah, and you're in that space. Ata Chris Rock went through a similar thing when you're tampoon. He went through a similar thing. Okay, yeah, mkewa channel.

SPEAKER_03 1:13:53

Even he will he also expressed how he got slapped by Will Smith. You know, he was like, he joked about that. Like, I got slapped by Will Smith. Yeah, bro. Like, so channeling pain to make dope comedy, but that's that's sad, and also like, damn.

SPEAKER_02 1:14:10

Yes, you have to go through that pain. I've tried once, and I tried to make it funny while punch time. And I went there and tried to make it funny, no, but I died. Yeah, yeah, I died proper. I died because there it was people could see through it, people could see like this because I was up hoping for ha ha ha ha and I was telling the jokes, I bless your bada to Sadiq, one of the comics, and he's like, man, that would kill. Like, okay, let me do this jokes. And then I got there, and the ladies kept going, oh, Paul! It's just like it's not the reaction I'm broken for.

SPEAKER_03 1:14:49

Okay, so what's the process? What's your process for like preparing like jokes, like when you're writing jokes?

SPEAKER_02 1:14:55

I don't have um like uh okay, it's idea, I'll get an idea of it's maybe I I'll get an inspiration whether I'm looking at something, yeah. That one is one way, or sometimes I'm going through something in life and I feel like I'm Yani. I just expressed myself like this makes me angry. Okay. How can I go on stage, tell people that this makes me angry, and make them and make them empathize with me? Because comedy is comedy because people can empathize with you, they can put themselves in your shows and be like, yeah, you're going, throw it.

SPEAKER_03 1:15:34

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:15:35

So I've not like even the colonial uh decolonization thing with the beyond empire and stuff. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I think some uh some jokes you've seen me punch like now. I think it makes sense. Why is this guy always talking about Yui Mefayanini?

SPEAKER_03 1:15:50

Because you're trying to like beyond Empire, the project you're working on.

SPEAKER_02 1:15:53

Yes. So I have stuff that I think this is not maybe something I can change in the law, but this is something I I could I could address in Koyo. Nikitokaapo, then I after I have that I'm trying to do the usual path is I'll record myself speaking. Because then it's not right. Writing is you must have something to write. Yeah, yeah. Like, what's the next line? Like in speaking, it's just bubbling, babbling, babbling, and then I would make myself laugh. I would get punch lines, then I would structure it down to what I'm trying to say, try to make it funny, you just go on stage, try it, see what works, what doesn't work, get a reaction, then keep on feeling into that, and then before you know it, you had an argument. It connects with that argument, it connects with that argument. Then I'm on stage for 30 minutes. Do you do you remember the very first joke that worked? Yeah, um, but I've been um yes, yes, I will answer that from the space, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. The actual ten Iolikoni checker too. The first joke that worked. Also, uh remember I won that price. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So it worked then, but it appears to be the same joke, by the way. The joke that worked for me is the joke about my mom. Okay. Yes. Your joke, uh, is like uh basically my manga is jokes about my mangwunipigya.

SPEAKER_01 1:17:20

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 1:17:20

You know those. So basically, it was just like Mamangua Pigia, mm, like my mom, my mangu always, and I'll be a sharas. Why woman? So that joke that joke won me won me that competition. But also, it was the first joke about to the film Chakatu that was also posted on face on on at Facebook, on YouTube. I was like, ah, and stuff.

SPEAKER_03 1:18:07

Yeah, damn. I want to play a game with you, bro. Sure. Yeah, uh, so basically, we're trying to get to know your TZ side as they'll. So basically, I'm gonna give you um some statements and you tell me what you think of it. We're trying to get to know your TZ side.

SPEAKER_02 1:18:23

Okay. T Z, yeah, okay.

SPEAKER_03 1:18:24

Your TZ side.

SPEAKER_02 1:18:25

What is Tanzanian?

SPEAKER_03 1:18:26

Yeah, your Tanzanian side, yeah. Although I have to redefine what it means to be Tanzanian. Okay, whatever, man. I'm coming for you. Chips my eye. Street masterpiece or overrated hype? Chips my eye, bro. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:18:40

I think we should have, first of all, street masterpiece. And I think, I think in the world that I'm building, oh, up or in the future, not even me, there will be a specific episode or a documentary on chips my eye and entrepreneurs. Bro, like if you're an entrepreneur, you team. Either, either, either, either way it's you, you are a startup, you are any, you know, our producer my eye is one of those things that you must have eight. Because it's the right combination of protein and and carbs, and and what later is starch or something. Yeah, chips my eye is a masterpiece. And also, even Nani Kona NBA was like, maybe chips my eye is healthy after all. I don't think it's healthy, but okay. Alright, it's it's one of those things, yeah. But hey, but uh, it's one of those, it's a it's a cultural piece. My my my and it's one of those one, yes, this one, yes. Hold on to this one, attack a money, man.

SPEAKER_03 1:19:51

Alright, um, big bomb or big G? None of them. None of them?

SPEAKER_02 1:19:57

Oh, big bomb or big G. Yeah. I don't want people getting any ideas, big G. Big Bum. What are you practicing for as a man? Come on, no, man. It's just candy, bro. Okay, okay, okay, okay, okay.

SPEAKER_03 1:20:10

A big G, bro. Big G? Big G. Sugar. Okay. Um what's the most tanning? What's the most tanzanian excuse for being late?

SPEAKER_02 1:20:27

Brother, I have to take time on this one.

unknown 1:20:30

Ah man. Fulani, I think.

SPEAKER_02 1:20:32

Fulany, yeah. Traffic, yeah? Ah, Kunayangine. Ah, you go on a nice corporate or kuja. I uh kinkine. But here's the one thing that stands on. Yeah. As a as a as a thing that you should hold with Tanzanians. When it comes to Tanzania to Tanzanians and appointments, Tanzania you could have ata kwambia anapota.

SPEAKER_03 1:21:07

Alright, the last one. Um a Tanzanian song that plays and everybody in the room sings. A Tanzanian song that plays and everybody in the room sings. Sasaivi. Oh, like Nah, like a classic, a Tanzanian classic.

SPEAKER_02 1:21:21

Ah Sasai Classic, then I'm a millennial bro, so anywak is a zicho. So let me see which one. Yeah.

unknown 1:21:29

Which one? Which one?

SPEAKER_02 1:21:30

Which one everybody sings.

SPEAKER_03 1:21:36

I'm pretty sure you can I can get one. I got one. Which one? Ben Paul, Moy Machine. You see? You sing it?

SPEAKER_02 1:21:47

Save it a power for now. The bosses, that thing is also an unfair. Ah, power, power. Ah. Oh, yeah, there is currently, yes. That one I I I genuinely see people seeing along to it. And it's not, it doesn't have to be like throw back Thursday, where what I'm saying is it's not because of anything as Labatuli him bag as a man. It's one of those genuine things when people like at a moment when you find it comes out of you. And then also other songs that used to have that is in the I really had a problem with them. Because they're so feminine, but but they're like so catchy at the same time.

SPEAKER_03 1:22:44

Yeah, that was catchy for me too. Yeah, that was a good song. And I like how she she added a lot of artists on that song as well. The remix, even stamina was in there, a bunch of other artists as well. Yes. It was pretty dope. It was pretty dope. Hey gang, don't go anywhere just yet. We'll still get more of the No Calling Podcast coming out.

SPEAKER_02 1:23:11

I want what I'm working on is starting a new calendar.

SPEAKER_03 1:23:15

You wanna start a new calendar?

SPEAKER_02 1:23:16

Yes. Come on over. Yes. As I will explain, calendar. Because how much money is Christmas making? How much damn? Tell me about the calendar you want to make. Okay, so I'm making a calendar. Okay. And the essence of a calendar here is not to keep tie uh dates or nothing. No, a calendar for me is events for for the actual year, but those events, this calendar is going to be aligned in rituals for the person that's using it, okay, especially for the southern hemisphere. And but also this calendar is going to be the source of Yahu Chumi Pia. Because here's the thing. Um how much money is Christmas making? If you're looking at Christmas as the reason people buy, as the reason people come together, as the reason people sell stuff, as the reason people make stuff. So you realize there is a lot money, a lot of money that is made under the intellectual property of Christmas. You get what I mean? Even the buying of the gifts and everything. Exactly, even that Santa Claus. But all of those are intellectual properties. They live on your mind and they mean something to you. Sindio. So now I'm saying we need as a human species spiritually to have rituals for, let's say, the winter solstice, so and pacing on the southern hemisphere, we come at CCP, then we are supposed to make our intellectual properties, but once we get that rolling, it's our thing, it's our festival, it's our season, then the ones telling the stories, the ones making the products, do you get what I'm saying? So calendar, CO2, time, do chumiko saba, bro. Mfunko. If you're looking at it from as a food seller, it's also very good time for business in the sense that I'm so flan. So now, if you're a farmer or if you're in the space of food, especially, so the reason why people are spending now is that. Do you get what I mean? So I'm saying as, and I don't want to say Africans, I want to say duelers of the Southern Hemisphere. I'm saying, Uchumi ni wakuteng, uchumi wuna tengezwa, it's playing house. If we make, let's say when you say kibaba baba naki mamama, how do you mean by that? I mean I mean that like um playing house. Ah, okay. It's imagine things. No trolling. Once upon a time, it was not a podcast. What do you mean? No, no trolling at home in the beginning of time, there was a podcast called No Trolling. Okay, no, no, no, no. You made it up. Okay. You imagine it, you imagine, and then you made it happen. Now, if we make, let's say, if we were successful to make no trolling, something that people gather up to see the next guest. Do you get what I mean? So go activity stuff, I can't. And also, what does no trolling mean to the person watching? Who watches it? Is it a person who is trying to better themselves? You you know, so you you are picking certain groups of people who can have sort of their niche cultures, yeah, but understand, even Christmas was a niche at some point. It was not always like a festival. You you get what I mean? So I am working on a calendar. One to align us as spirits, religiously, not religiously, spiritually, uh, rituals. Okay, right? But also, the people that are involved in creating this new calendar, the people that are involved in creating this new culture are also going to be the owners of that culture. What is the culture I'm building about? Or what is the if you want to call it a government, but it's not an empire. It's not an empire. You see, the the thing is. I'm not trying to build an empire hina premises idea.

SPEAKER_03 1:28:04

Bro, for somebody who's listening to you for the first time, he would think you're building a cult.

SPEAKER_02 1:28:09

Exactly. They would think I'm building a cult. But you realize there was a word cult in the world culture, eh? It had to be a certain group of people who thought of something and be like, hey guys, mbona kama, mwezi hu, ukiwaga mwezi hapa. Na you are kiwa hapa. There is something that happens in the land. Yeah. For instance, let me show you how close these things are. The moon controls the tides, right? Mm-hmm. Where the moon is, controls the tides. Not the only thing, but it does. It does, yeah, I know that. So there's an association between moon and water. Yes. But you are also 70% water like this planet. Do you think the position of the moon does not have an effect on you? Oh shit.

SPEAKER_03 1:28:57

Yes. Because you're 70%. Oh, damn. Okay. It does have an effect on you if you're 70% water.

SPEAKER_02 1:29:05

Okay, let me show you another thing made from another culture. This is a this is a watch, it tells time. Yes. But in reality, what is going on here, the short one is the movement of the sun, the long one is the movement of the moon. That's how it works. That's how it works. Because there is a certain angle where the sun is. This is a cycle.

SPEAKER_03 1:29:30

Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:29:33

So this is a circle. But what human beings are trying to track here is where the sun is.

SPEAKER_03 1:29:39

The sun is okay.

SPEAKER_02 1:29:44

Do you get what I mean? Yes. So there is that correlation. A day also repeats itself in a year. Asobu indo spring, mchana and summer, jion indoor fall, usiku no winter. Do you get what I'm saying? So this is not. So come back, this is is is what I'm saying is is divorced from science or what we would call science. Actually, fatilia, it is part of it. And what Newton and stuff, they were also involved in so-called metaphysics and these type of questions. Because you're trying to essentially organize the human mind or something. Okay. So so that's that's it. Also, um, another interesting thing in that, which is also going to be in my calendar and and and and and then and me la now we take name about talk about it now is like astrology. Damn. Okay, so zodiac signs and everything, right? Exactly. And we want to push that out. Yes, because and I'm not pushing it out as a religion. No. What sign are you? Uh Leo. You were Leo. Where were you born? Southern hemisphere, northern hemisphere. I was born in the northern hemisphere. You were born in the northern hemisphere. Yes. So then you're Leo. What does Leo mean? Leo means the sun is in the second month of summer. So children born in that time, when it comes to how they see the world, how they act, their vision of the world, Sawa, is going to be Leo-like. What it means is this, Saur. You have a fixated, it's a fixated ways of seeing and feeling about things. It's fire. It's your fixed world. That's why Leo loves to express themselves. And what they express is their dreams and stuff. So, in an essence, from where you're born, astrology tells us some of the traits. We can say all of the traits, but let's just, for argument's sake, say some of the traits from the positioning of the so-called celestial bodies. So it means if I am dis, if you we are designing your life, if I'm a parent and I've had you as a baby, I'm looking at astrology as a tool to give me clues as to what you're interested in. What is your mind more like? So it's a design of an economy where you fit in, where only you were supposed to fit in.

SPEAKER_03 1:32:31

Question. So if I am a Leo in let's say I was born in Tanzania in August. I'm not uh in August, I'm not a Leo.

SPEAKER_02 1:32:41

You're not a Leo, you're the opposite, then you are a Sagittarius. You are an um Aquarius. Aquarius, because I'm in the Southern Hemisphere. It was in the second month of summer in the northern hemisphere.

unknown 1:33:00

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 1:33:00

But as far as relatively to the southern hemisphere, no, it was in the second month of winter.

SPEAKER_03 1:33:08

So zodiac science and the the whole astro uh astrology thing concept doesn't work the same way. Okay, yeah, it doesn't work the same way. That's what you're saying, right?

SPEAKER_02 1:33:17

I'm saying the system, because astrology, understand, is a tool.

unknown 1:33:21

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 1:33:21

It's a tool people made out of imagination and observation and stuff. But that tool, if you use it vizouri, if you use it the way it's supposed to be used, you realize, for instance, let me show you something. Tu mesema kila season ni na miez mi tatu. True. Miazimi tatatu ya season nia spring. Ni sawa from the astrology point of view, the way they named them. Ares, ni muzi wa kwanza wamasika. Taurus, ni mwezi wapili, omasika. Germini, ni mwezi wa tatu, wamasika. You get what I mean? Mkasa, ni muziwa kwanza, wakiangazi, or summer. Leo, mwezi wapili wa summer. Virgo, mwezi watatu wa sama. Libra, mwezi wakwanza wa fall. Scorpio, mwezi wapili wa fall. Sagittarius, mwezi wa tatatu wa fall. Capricorn, mwezi wa kwanza wa wa winter. Aquarius, mwezi wa piri wa winter. Pisces, mwezi watatu wa winter. And that's the whole cycle of a year. And you realize from that you get 12 portions. If you go back to as a two, if you go back to a circle, so it is three sixty degrees. Divide them by twelve, those three sixty degrees, you get thirty, which is thirty days a month. So, 30 days make a month, and then that month, which your month, 30 days make a month, a season has 90 days. That thing keeps repeating itself as far as we know it as human beings. You get what I mean? So, so so kwayo m Tanzania, pakamo mezari. Confono mimi, I grew up thinking, obviously, I'm a libra. Kwa sababugani ni mezariwa talesaba, mwezi wakumi. But the truth is, me see your libra, I am an Aries. Because wakati nyua, wakati na zari wa juwa lili kwaku niye mwezi wakwanza, wamasika huku. Ama upia, ni mwezi wakwanza wa fall. Kule. So what does that mean? Do you see me being energetic?

SPEAKER_01 1:35:49

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:35:49

Being nini nini. That's fire. Now, you so fire, so you water nini. Man, it's very interesting. Look, when we say we have four elements, it's like four elements of your experience. Confund. When you say fire, it's your intentions. So, but it's also you expressing emotions to give your emotions color. Yeah, yeah. You get what I mean?

unknown 1:36:15

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:36:15

Then when you get water, it's your emotions. Okay. So understand words fire, water, they are they are used to label something that is going on with you right now. So when we say air, is your thinking, it's your communication.

SPEAKER_03 1:36:36

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 1:36:36

That's air. Okay. When we say earth, it's your physicality, it's what grows. Damn, okay. So this is earth. What I am using right now to talk to you, and you can hear me is air. But the fact that I am using so much that I came here and I'm participating in this, there is a fire in me. But I'm also expressing something very dear to me, which means is the emotions that I have. So, meaning if I am born in the first month of uh to nafili mezalium, I cheche sata. I'm a spark. Aries want to create new ways of seeing because fire is also perspectives. Yeah, I am cry, I'm trying to create new ways of seeing and feeling about things, which is not weird for me to be here saying we need a new calendar. Do you get what I'm saying? Yeah. So if my father knew me like that, I think I wanna changaniki wa. I wasn't a patashida na mimi. I'm just saying this as a father. Ukishaduwa each of you know this is the nature of my kid. But also, we can design what you have to do. Man, this you just say so. Do you feel like you're gonna raise your kid in the same way? Exactly. I've studied that for that, bro. Nobody kwambia, no na makitu nawasema. You see these angles that I'm saying, astrology and stuff. You think that it has nothing to do with the Bible. Sindio. Maybe. Like in the kumbuje, kwamfano. Yes, I'm not sure. What is going on? What is going on? Man, think of it this way. Just just imagine this, bro. Just see how how simple this is in the sense of like, if I am coming to colonize you, I am not going to I'm not going to allow you to have the tools that will truly allow you to know yourself. Because then you will start building new calendars and stuff. And then you will not go with what we are going. Una niere was you, bro. The issue too ya ro mbaya. Nasio. And zinkira. You get you you you get what I mean. And and and and to nafanyana sisi who we are in the position of. I watched a podcast of yours once, and you were saying, it needs time. I don't even have like it needs time, it needs resources for you to dive deep in those questions.

SPEAKER_01 1:39:24

Yes.

SPEAKER_02 1:39:25

That's why me, I settle with the issue kwamba mungu because it gives meaning to my life. Na inanipunguziama, makere key. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You get what I mean.

SPEAKER_03 1:39:33

Yeah, that's me, that's me.

SPEAKER_02 1:39:34

Exactly. So, for you to say you are admitting you don't have the time, you are in a particular space where even if you decided to dive into God, God, you don't have that luxury. It's maybe true, it's maybe something you're just telling yourself, but either way, you are in that position. And by God and what is actually going on is not. Ebukulakwanza usebe una doem toto. Kula kwanza ushibbe. Wani, wwani kama savi ni kiangazi. Afu afu save to na semani krismasku na shidaga. Nisina Fanya kazi. You're not going to have these designers. Bro, Mina kwambiartuki andrea kufikiriya ivi. We're never gonna have these designers, you um people who change the world from this side. So, what are you going to give us? Look, I cannot show up in the United States of America right now and be like, yo, look at me being an American. You are in America. What are you talking about? What do you know from your culture? Amboyu, what do you know from your area? What did you and your ancestors and what did you come up about this reality of God? What did you make as a concept? What do you have? Mmchia pa. But we don't ask those questions because Pia to me so ma tume faulu to me interview. So somehow, atu I tadajik so matena hiniwa ili hui atanim simgani. So I'm like, I'm saying this out of love because I love this place. Nanime Safiri, bro, and it is just an energy here. I believe it. Yeah. Damn. But the thing is, Watanzania, walichok shikishua kamando ki na toa. Awajaki chungguza vizuli. Now, if you really look at it, utaona tu konfano nikwa ngarea skumodja. And this one I will say. Yeah. Nikwa nangaria TBC Skumodia. Mikaona kuna documentary Ikopale, a guy is talking about Kanisa de Fufika pare peramiyo, like the the German fathers, how they got into Peramio and stuff. Bro, uyu mning, uyu uyu faza, the story was kuna mfaza moja metoka uko, and when as soon as he got there, the first thing he said is this Icho ki linge wa icho kitengeneza apo. Kiringe. Kiringe. It's like a space for rituals. Icho kitengeneza kwa jiriya rituals, icho icho, ito kitu echo. Mimi la zima niki moe ni jenke kanisa. It's equivalent of you going sasai vi pale maka u kambias care idi nuda idi mlo njenka panatakani bomoe apa nijenke do letru akichaga. It's saying you guys don't know shit. I know better. And then as we are speaking, you know uh TBC, the story is we are talking about semaoko niungre tari mesha jenguaka niesa. There's nothing wrong per say instinctively with a person that is Christian. But we have so many stories of like just chop, chop, chop, chop. You have nothing to add. Do you know ya come back?

SPEAKER_03 1:43:13

When when when do you think you're gonna be done with the project? It's a lifetime project, bro. It's like uh it's like you're just gonna be consistently improving it.

SPEAKER_02 1:43:22

Yes, and another idea I got from Dolo the Parliament is like when you talk about a government, people think about the political structure. But that's not only the only thing that constitutes a government. Bro, government ni sisiku y and so what what is influencing your day? Moja, kiachana nayo political machinery, religion, the world view you are in, education, elimurioku anaio, business, the way you interact with other people, and last but not least, entertainment. Here we are, what you entertain, what is supposed to be cool, what is you get what I mean? All those five things are what create truly, from his theory, a government, which I agree with. So, what I'm trying to change is to create a system that would influence all of these areas. What do the new politics look like? What does the new business look like? What does uh what the new entertainment look like? What are we talking about? Are we still talking about Christmas alone? Kunawa Chaga uku na ishuya, kuna wenkino. What is going on? You get what I mean? Like, what's the new what's the new thing? Now, now who is in the position to do that? I am truly here to tell you, whoever is watching you. Kosababugani, this with so-called universe. Hata kienakoya theory, relativity, ya science, ya instead. The universe is not a stage where things happen. No, the universe is a stage which is also the drama. Meaning the universe or reality is not happening to us, it is not happening for us, it is happening through us. Through us. So everything we see right now, this is us.

SPEAKER_03 1:45:38

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unknown 1:46:26

Yeah, man.

SPEAKER_03 1:46:26

So, Dale, we're oh, by the way, we're back from the bake, just so you know, because my guy is a professional yapper, and we love him for that. And um, we're gonna dive into the last segment of the show. Okay, whereby uh I have a catchphrase, don't no trolling, don't sweat it. Do you remember that? Mm-hmm. Yeah, I'm gonna give you a question and you're gonna be like, don't sweat it. And by the way, if you're on Instagram, we have an exclusive chat where you can subscribe, and um, you can uh it's like you you you subscribe, you pay uh amount of fee, amount of cash, and you join the group and you get to see exclusive behind the scenes of the show. If you're if it's something you like, tap into it. It's on Instagram, but yeah, uh back to the no no trolling uh question segment. They say the funniest people are usually the saddest. What do you think about that?

SPEAKER_02 1:47:20

No trolling, don't sweat it.

SPEAKER_03 1:47:23

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:47:26

I think I will go with that. Not yeah, not always, but yeah, I think I'll go with that off of the point of like usually the saddest person. Empathy comedy comes from empathy. If you're the saddest person, maybe you've been in these emotional spaces that many people have also been on. Are you are you now? So yeah, I think maybe because also, but is it the case all the time? No, I've met guys who are cheerful and they're very funny. Because also all com all jokes are not always about stuff, yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:47:57

But most are like that. But all the comedians I know very sad.

unknown 1:48:04

No, no, no.

SPEAKER_03 1:48:06

What do you did you uh did you it you earlier? You said you practiced like using your sadness and you you it failed. And have you ever tried to use it in another scenario? Oh, of course. I have uh a lot of sets which are rants. Ah rants like I've done so many shows where even the mama, your mom, your mom beating you, yeah, yeah, yeah, okay.

SPEAKER_02 1:48:26

Yeah, but but that one that was me explaining. There are those where I get on stage. Yeah, let me think of one line. I have this beat I do now, which is in connection to to to to beyond empire, which is like commoners. Communist. Yes, it's like I go on stage and I say, like Dear Communists. You know, I tell you everybody here, you are nothing but a bunch of fucking commoners. Oh, yeah, I I remember that one. Uh yeah, I've heard of that one. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:48:57

When I came to see you stand-up, okay.

SPEAKER_02 1:48:58

Yes, but it gets by, but it's basically me just ranting on yeah, it's it's and the rant is like, una joke on Ezakawa na kuse mana, stila, but it's funny. No, not like you're laughing at him, it's the way he picks. No, let me let me Yani Niv, I live. And the words I've seen best uh, if you've watched George Calden or something, you go there, okay. With rants, they empathize with your anger. Yeah. I should have just said that. Yes. Oh, and apart you're angry, and people are like, is it worth being angry at this? And they're like, Yep, I'll be angry too.

SPEAKER_03 1:49:38

How has comedy changed the way you deal with failure and embarrassment? No children.

SPEAKER_02 1:49:45

I don't sweat it. Uh feelings and embarrassment. Oh, man. Ah, so much. So much. The only thing that comes close to that is when I was doing network marketing, yeah, for the funny thing. That's the only thing that comes close to. To that, because there is um that failure and embarrassment. Yes. Um, CC comedians first, the first word we use, we usually say when it doesn't go well, to Nasema Omekufa. It feels bad. So so that going there, dying, and then it is just, yes, it's it's gotten to a place about women's idea because I used to take things seriously. But after time, I'm like, yeah, man, it happens. Yeah, some days, yes. Sometimes no, man. I mean, like, yeah, and but there were days where you would go and think about that for a month. Like, yo, man, I died. But but now it's like, no. Uh uh Do people expect you to always be funny?

SPEAKER_03 1:50:50

No, truly. In what setting? Uh in just when they meet you.

SPEAKER_02 1:50:58

No, um, um, no, no, no. But I do get those where a person thinks you're funny all the time. Do you feel like you're funny?

SPEAKER_03 1:51:09

To be true, fully Yeah, I think I'm funny. You think you're funny? It's okay, right.

SPEAKER_02 1:51:16

But I'm not I'm not like a it's proven that I'm funny. I've had a career, like career-wise, but am I a a dude that's funny when you hang around with? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I also that one too. I just realized, yeah, yeah, yeah. I feel like it's because it's also not that I'm trying to be funny. No, it's just the way I explain things and the way I deal with my day.

SPEAKER_03 1:51:41

Have you ever told the joke and immediately regretted it?

SPEAKER_02 1:51:46

Yes, no, don't sweat it. There was a joke, yeah, yeah, we must. Yes, um, that joke, it's you know, structurally it made sense. You know what I mean? One of those things. You know what I mean? But right after I said it, it did it it it killed, but it didn't age well because it felt like Namtania, because I it was about her body and stuff. No, not really. It included her body. Okay, long story short, what happened was she had posted. How long ago was it? It was very long ago.

unknown 1:52:35

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 1:52:36

I think it was 2028 or something, 2018 or something. When you were starting out 208, 2019, or something. There was something she was doing, and then I got into it would still be funny if I said yeah, but no.

SPEAKER_03 1:52:50

What's the point of repeating it? Exactly.

SPEAKER_02 1:52:54

But yeah, I it got into okay. Will the audience exp understand? No, no, don't worry, don't worry about it. I shouldn't get into it. But it was something to do with her body, it made sense from the punchline, but again, it age like and it's like before I let you go, man.

SPEAKER_03 1:53:14

I wanted to know throughout these years of doing comedy over nine years, right? What is something comedy has taught you that stuck with you neutral?

SPEAKER_02 1:53:38

Ah man, don't sweat it, but a lot a lot, uh because uh a lot man, I I I I you know when you have like ideas of things and this is what I want to do, this is what I want to do, this is what I want to do. But that one thing that you go to that is actually happening, yeah, like that's how you have it. This is this is your day-to-day and stuff. So it's given me that that that that hold on to it. If it's something worth having, it's something worth building for in the long run. It email patience, it has it has told me it's just given me, let me just say it, it's given me the gift of comedy come a comedy. Although I have other things. It's given me a gift of you having something that I truly care of, care about, and and and and also challenges of actually you trying to do something that you actually care about. That gift, the whole thing there, that space, is is what comes. Because I didn't start on film, I didn't start as a film guy, I didn't start as a musician, I started as a comedy. So that man, a lafu pia, it's not been it's it's not been like easy because Babu Pia understand like familiar.

SPEAKER_00 1:55:14

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:55:16

And the expectation is like a few career and my shaky. They want you to prosper. Yeah, for sure. Always. Always. But sometimes they have the ideas of what is right to them to them and uh what they think should be right for you. Yeah, comedy for me has been like, eh, yeah. Okay, so I've had that journey for nine years. What until today? Nine years, which is like I at some point where it's like they do respect because I don't call for anything. Uh you get what I mean. You also piggy mutoke na answer or something. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay. But it's is that still the case? They still don't know that I've coupled in it in into that stuff of starting a new calendar. Oh my god. You told your parents about you starting a new calendar. Yeah, could I escape from it? No, because they would call you menta can't sani. No, name Chris Tutena, when you miss Ram, I ask Fatishu Tatibuoto Abram.

unknown 1:56:28

Damn.

SPEAKER_02 1:56:29

It's some real shit, bro. It is. Uh it is. Do people neglect you for this type of mindset? It is a lonely space sometimes, but also you don't get to know, like just seeing me and you at one point, this is what I'm working for towards or something. But yeah, it's kind of lonely sometimes because of generally just uh the urge to actually actualize it, to actualize calendars, to actualize what I'm trying to do. Yeah, you don't do that alone. Um you you you you you need people to you can't build a culture alone. You must have that's the whole point. So you need people to do this with these things with, and sometimes people are not, most of the people I've met were not in that space. Uh you you you get what I mean. Yeah, yeah. Monango, me sana is funny in Pateera, bro. Any C O E C O Yo, Monango. Any era in a kuja too, kasababu. I need to eat and stuff to find itself in there. Yeah. But I'm not necessarily looking to for the product and boniki eka sana it. No, me, I'm I'm more of like getting the word out there. Yes, and actually being effective. Has my art aligned a person? Has my art helped a person move this way to that growth? Yamtu. Yeah. So come back in his in the sense of like just making things happen. Like in not as much as I love the impact. Yes.

unknown 1:58:05

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:58:06

And what you can do with this. And I've realized like, my shana, it's like it happens because uh and and and the switch from that to I should just sell stuff, it usually comes with deny what is important to you. Fanya, what is surface and what is, you know, pokelewa, fanyo. Hai ni ksha pataila anda. I'm I'm I'm sticking to what I believe in. I'm I have a good day, I have a purposeful day. Yanimimi, what I run out is not I don't have time. I'm always on something of my own, and it's a beautiful feeling. Nice, bro. And and that the risk is to do that jump because you feel like if you do that, system. But I'm trying to tell you, most people hate what they're doing. They don't have people to build with some alternative to me. It's there, and also understand going back to what we said, if God is not a man with Ndevapod you, it's this entire thing. He's going to use you. If you jump, who put that there? Yes, it is you, but you do that. Life picks you, Pickett. It picks you. But if you if if me goes, I I've never had maybe that's why maybe I'm not in some places that people would think I should be, but if you throw away the heart, yes, what about I then what you do with it? What do you do with it? You're asking people what yes, what do you have, and then what you live life, bro? What is life? What is living life? Where do you do?

SPEAKER_03 2:00:18

You go to places, I mean take care of the people you love, you know, buy the stuff you want, you know, you build uh you build a legacy, you live something. You build a legacy, yeah. But you build you think you can build a legacy with money. I mean, no money is a big part, uh is a big contribution to building a legacy. But um, a legacy is more so of the word because people won't remember when you die, people won't remember how many cars you had. You they won't remember, oh, you had that amount of money in your bank, or what house you now, they're gonna remember what you did you did or what you said for them.

SPEAKER_02 2:00:57

So, in sense, in essence, it's me, it's the realization that I came to, which is like power, is not money. Power is not political power. True power is the ability of me influencing me or me influencing you.

SPEAKER_03 2:01:16

Yeah. Yeah, I guess that's the best best way to explain it.

SPEAKER_02 2:01:23

So money and stuff are tools. They are tools. So, are you saying you cannot influence a person until you have a certain tool? I'll ask you who put that idea in your head. Is it the person with the tool trying to sell his machinery? Kwanfano, bro. And this um Narudia, this also Nyerere said, Ivi, bro. There's uh essays a Nyerere Zawyama, and he was saying this as Africans, he was talking about Tanzanians, tu kitegemea era, tu tawmiya kufanya vitu. If we say we don't have money, tu taumia tu najidanganya, kasabuyo era tuna kini, kwenu kujenga barabara ni razima, utuumia hela utagundu amnesam kakusanyara orakiji, mkafiekha. Do you get what I'm saying? Why is it important for him to say that? Why was it important for him to say that? Because he's now running the like his top official of the country. So, the tune is development. So, but what does development to enamabarabara to enamanini tu enamanini? If we are going to rely on how much money we have to create roads, and by chaku. You by yourself. So you're telling me we naw zaziwenu miam na ukawum ta. Hamwesim ka organization flyani mambu ya toke. What he was trying to do is like lesson, guys, the power is us. Let's not keep exporting it and putting it in other things that we don't have. It's mimi tu kutilia umwim jambulako. But if if if if ata um mimi kutiya jambulako kama minta wona sina umuim baka nyo na ea, sasa yo sasa, wundo uchawi sasa. Because then you are stopping yourself from living life because you feel like there's a standard. Uja iguusa. And what is money anyway? Uta kuja ugundu eela ye na yo technically speaking, ni deni. Uya rimpayule, weakamko pesha, uuka yu na namda yule n to manabenki mefanya. So so like the power, power is the ability of us influencing each other. And he tamkote tesam to mingine, which is yara. Then afterwards, akasem aka paremushu akatiwa z yara lipu andabada who to be uh they asked him mushmiotuna kujiya kujyenga madarasa you guys. A madasa niakinanani niototuenu. Okay. Madasa niototuenwe. Lakinyamnaila kudenga madarasa.

SPEAKER_03 2:04:41

Eh.

SPEAKER_02 2:04:42

Bono kotenjiani lipopita ni kuta kunachanja is a viombo, like built out of wood where people put on eka vi viombo viao na nini na nini kukaoushia, which is also enough wood, let's just say, for instance, to build a class sooner nearly out. So, what what he was making is like it depends on the importance you attach to something. Yeah. So it's uh that's why I took that, not only that from him, but this idea of since we have it, since we have that influence, because what is something dope to do? It's something that most people say in a sense. Maybe it's dope. Yeah. People say it's dope, but also not necessarily most people. What can be dope can be what you and your few friends have agreed. Yeah, this is not dope.

unknown 2:05:33

Nobody.

SPEAKER_02 2:05:34

Why are we not making dope shit that is around building us? Why are we not making dope shit that is around um creating from the sense of um responsibility? Like, yeah, if we take that, priorities is in our hammer. Damn, okay. I think I've said a lot.

SPEAKER_03 2:06:02

Yeah, yeah, I feel like that's the best way to end it, man. Uh, Dale is a man of many words, he's very, very uh in tune with very passionate as well, man. The air is fire, and your your way of observing things is just impeccable, bro. Like, uh I honestly I'd like to sit you with a youth pastor and see what's up. That would be beautiful. You experience some of this fire to yeah, yo, guys, I need to guys please give me recommendations of youth pastors actually reach out to to have on the show. I'd love to talk and sit down with the youth pastor and just see what they think they're thinking about the whole perspective of religion and how and spirituality in general. I really like to learn and understand it more. So, yeah, if you know anybody, just uh hit me up uh in the comments, that would be amazing, and I'd gladly reach out to them. But yeah, this was episode 85 with their uh Del Gatius, and I mean it was been a it was it was an honor, honestly. I'm pretty sure you have left people looking at you and be like, what is this nigga talking about?

SPEAKER_02 2:07:09

I'm talking about building a new calendar exactly and making that meaningful money that doesn't need you to go drinking for you to feel fulfilled. That's what I'm talking about. The real new stuff, the real new stuff, the colonization is not going on podcasts and saying we're decolonized. No, it's building alternative systems, and I know for a fact we can do it because I've seen us use our passions, our talents, building things that we don't even connect with. So we can definitely do better. We can do better, guys.

SPEAKER_03 2:07:45

Until next time, again, peace out.