Mariah: i Was Ready to Quit Everything during the Pandemic||EP 87

What’s up No Trollers 🔥
NT x Kenya Tour is officially here… and to kick things off we’ve got the Beautiful Mariah with us
A host of one of the biggest podcasts in Kenya( @)UsydDigital media personality, MC, voice-over artist, actress, and a woman whose voice carries weight on and off camera.
We start with a question that sounds simple…Do men get intimidated by what she says publicly?
From there, the conversation opens up in ways you don’t expect…
We talk about the woman behind the mic who Mariah really is off camera, the childhood that shaped her, and the beliefs she had to unlearn to become the woman she is today.
We get into dating in the digital age…How podcasting has affected how she dates, standards she’ll never lower again, and the green flags people never talk about.
Then we dive intoHow she knew she was actually good at podcasting, the hardest part of the job nobody sees, getting into voice-overs, acting, and the decision that changed everything in her career.

Misconceptions online, almost quitting, and what life looks like if everything works out exactly how she wants.

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Filmed by: Rocky the mutator & jordan
Edited by : sean81jax

Chapters;
00:00 Trailer
03:01 Do men get intimidated by what you say publicly
04:56 Intro
06:19 The love for Nairobi
07:32 Who's Maria off camera
09:11 Mariah's childhood
10:19 Something Mariah had to unlearn
12:57 Mariah's Dating life
14:00 What built Mariah as a woman
15:31 Podcasting changing how Mariah dates
20:32 Mariah's tatoos
22:37 When Mariah Discovered Podcasting
29:48 Getting Misunderstood Online
38:38 Mariah as an Actress & Kenya's film industry
47:47 Mariah's as a voice over Artist 
54:56 The Decision that changed Mariah's career 
01:01:39 Pursuing Content While Studying 
01:10:36 What keeps Mariah Going
01:14:36 Mariah's Feelings 1st time on Stage
01:20:00 How Mariah lost herself during the COVID Pandemic
01:27:23 My Tzee side(NT game)
01:35:55 After the break
01:39:10  The No trolling Questions
01:53:49  If you had Everything you've ever Wanted
01:57:30 Outro & Shout outs

Transcript

SPEAKER_02 0:00

I feel like there's a heavy burden on my back where an invisible mantle has been given that I need to represent the women. And I don't mind it, but sometimes I feel like it's too it can be a lot. So Saddam says he doesn't understand why you'd be a man and want to be a nurse. Why not just study harder to become a doctor? I was thinking logically, so I laughed. That was a mistake you made. Oh god, oh god, oh god. You're a lady, why would you be laughing at that? I'm like, to even being discussed on mainstream news, to some extent, I had kind of lost sight of what I am. I was like, I knew what I wanted to do, how I wanted to do it, I had a life plan, I had everything. So COVID happens, all these things just literally turn off the lights. This version of myself would have never been witnessed if it wasn't for Chaxi. I'm not proud, I've never been proud. Me, I just made my stand very clear. I will not sit with somebody who does not respect me by the virtue of the fact that I'm a woman. I will not. Right now, he's a very controversial, he's not controversial, he's just a misogynist, he's not even controversial. He's just a misogynist. So he was coming to the pod. I had already made it very clear that there's certain people, if they came to the couch, I will not partake. Right now, where Mike Check is it's bigger than me, it's bigger than Mois, it's bigger than Chaki. It's literally its own platform. Yeah, it can run without me. So you know what? For this episode, I politely choose to decline. So the episode is done, the episode drops, and Twitter is gone. There's no insults I didn't receive. And the craziest part is we were in the middle of planning a burial. I just lost my granddad. Oh my god. And I was starting a new job that Monday. So you can imagine how chaotic that Sunday was.

SPEAKER_03 1:41

What does your life look like when you have everything you ever wanted? Wow.

SPEAKER_05 1:50

Nah, no.

SPEAKER_03 1:53

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SPEAKER_02 3:08

Um yes and no. Really? Yes and no. Okay. I'll say yes because many times I've met guys who when they meet me in person, yeah, like, oh my gosh, you're so sweet. Yeah, but you you really you really wait, am I allowed to curse? You are okay. They're like, ah, you you you're you're you sound like a bitch. You look like a bum. Like, look, sound. What?

SPEAKER_03 3:31

I I mean my first impression of you, because I met you at the studio, right? Yes, it was you were pretty chill, pretty welcoming, and I was not really shocked because from every time I see a girl put a front like online, I always know they're sweet beings.

SPEAKER_02 3:50

You just didn't say front, but then I don't front. Here's the thing I can be a bitch, but that depends. If you how you approach me, one, two, how you come at me, and three, just if I just feel like you're a douche, automatically I become a bitch. But if I'm like, okay, he's chill, I'll be chill. What was your first impression of me? I was very surprised that you were Tanzanian. That that to this minute, I'm still shocked. It it shocked me. But I was like, you know what? He's a his bubbly, your proper Gen Z. Let me put it that way. Proper what? Proper Gen Z, you know, bubbles. Yo, yo, yo, what's that?

SPEAKER_08 4:27

You guys are already that's fine, that's fine. Oh my gosh, oh my gosh, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 4:31

I was like, okay, he's cool. People, yeah, we can get along. Yeah, yeah. I feel like I'm uh I could say I'm a chill dude.

SPEAKER_02 4:40

You you disagree? I wouldn't disagree. I'd say you're chill, but I'd say it depends on the circumstance. Okay. Because I feel like when you when you need to be serious, you are serious. Oh, yeah, yeah. When you need to be chill, you'll be chill. When you need to be bugging, you're okay, yeah. Yeah. I'm versatile. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 4:55

Damn. Ladies and gentlemen, welcome back on another episode of the No Trolling Podcast. This is episode 87.

SPEAKER_05 5:03

Damn.

SPEAKER_03 5:03

Yeah. Wow. Yes, uh three years now. Actually, we are we have the same birthday for our podcast. That's crazy.

SPEAKER_01 5:11

When you guys celebrated three years, I was celebrating two years. I actually called Choxia and was like, yo, we have the same birthday.

SPEAKER_03 5:18

Yeah, guys, we are in Nairobi, Kenya. This is the first time we're shooting outside of our country TZ. And I'm super uh grateful for our lovely partners. I'm super grateful for my team. You know, shout out to Rocky Demutator in the background now. You know what I mean? So yeah, today in our Airbnb or Situation Studio, we got a host of one of the biggest podcasts in Kenya. Uh, it's called Mike Check. She's an actress, a voiceover artist, and the beautiful Black Queen Mariah.

SPEAKER_02 5:58

Come there, welcome.

SPEAKER_01 5:59

How you feeling? How you feeling?

SPEAKER_02 6:01

Um, chill. I mean, how many have I done so far? I think you should be number five, but this is the first over-the-border podcast that I've done. So, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 6:13

Okay.

SPEAKER_03 6:14

Come on, come on, tofa, tofa. You win, you win. Yeah, yeah. Can you tell me what you love about Nairobi though?

SPEAKER_02 6:22

Um, personally, yeah, I'd say diversity.

SPEAKER_03 6:25

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 6:26

I would I appreciate that so much because when you speak to other people or you get to witness other people's cultures, you really understand that Nairobi has everything and anything for anyone. And even if they even if it doesn't exist, you can make it for yourself and create a whole community. That's what I really appreciate about Nairobi. Yeah, I think.

SPEAKER_03 6:47

As compared to other places, yeah. I've noticed yeah, it's uh very diverse. You would meet you'd meet a random person from a random country out there in the world, just chilling in Nairobi.

SPEAKER_02 6:57

And they're and they're perfectly fine, they're chill, they're so assimilated, you think they're Nairobi until they tell you, oh, I'm from Zimbabwe. And you're like, What?

SPEAKER_03 7:05

Yeah, so how are you feeling by the way right now?

SPEAKER_02 7:09

Um grateful, I'm blessed. Yeah, um, like I was telling you, I feel like this week has just been a lot, yeah. And not a lot in the sense of I'm overwhelmed. Just yeah, yes, I am overwhelmed, but in a good way, it's okay. I'm overwhelmed in a good way because it's been so many things aligning, so it's it's it's been a good week. I I really can't complain. That's good.

SPEAKER_03 7:30

Yeah, I want to know like who's Mariah off camera, like who's she?

SPEAKER_02 7:36

Honestly, I'm very silly, I'm a very, very silly girl. Oh, yeah. Yeah, I think the things I enjoy, like the persona you see on the pod, yeah, and the person you get to witness off camera is two different people. Like, I joke a lot. Yeah, I'm I don't want to say I have a loose mouth, but I'm very unhinged. That's that's the perfect word to use. I'm very unhinged.

SPEAKER_04 7:59

Of course.

SPEAKER_02 8:01

Like anybody who knows my ayahuas from the pod or on the internet. No, no, on the pod, I'm very reserved, by the way. Really? I've I I tend to believe I'm very reserved, but I don't speak my mind a lot. Or even if I speak my mind, it's very sober.

SPEAKER_06 8:14

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 8:14

But if you meet me off the pod, it's crazier. Listen, I'm unhinged. Like, I'll say something, you'd be like, What? Ah, yeah. So I'd say I'm silly, but also I'm I'm actually introverted. Many people don't know that. I'm very introverted. You'll you won't find like if you compare me and the boys, if we went to a place where we don't know anyone, Chaxi and Moasa, the ones are most probably to go say hi to people. Ah, yeah. And you know, they'll be all over. Anyone can tell you, whether it's a concert, whether it's a club, wherever I go, yeah, where I walk in and sit, I don't move.

unknown 8:52

No.

SPEAKER_02 8:52

I do not move. So you you will just yes, she was there, but we didn't see her. But I was there. Yeah, that's me. I'm introverted, but once I get used to people, yeah, you get like I'd say these layers to me. So depending on how close we are or how much time we've spent together, you get to see different parts of me. Okay. Did you grow up in Nairobi? Yes. Um, yes, yes. So I was born in Nairobi, but when I was like one and a half, we went to London. I stayed there for like two, three years, then came back. Then now all my life has been in Nairobi.

SPEAKER_01 9:30

What was your childhood like?

SPEAKER_02 9:31

Like my child was fun. Yeah, let me be honest. My childhood was fun because um I'd say I was born at a time where we were transitioning. So my transitioning to what? My parents now had started catching like some. Ah, some dogs. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You get some cash here and there. So it was like I I grew up in a very interesting phase, you know. Like, because my mom was my mom keeps telling me, You, you know, you're the privileged child, you had diapers, your sisters had to use nappies, you had Bobby dolls, your sisters had to, you know, walk around with the wee, we dolls. So, yes, I'd say my child was very interesting because especially like my foundation was not here, yeah. So my growing was very different.

SPEAKER_03 10:18

Yes. Is there something maybe you tried to unlearn something you were raised like knowing, and then you had to unlearn it? Um when you grow up, I was like, nah, I'm gonna, I think that's not me anymore.

SPEAKER_02 10:33

Or like I think about parenting, I think growing up, of course, you know the way our parents just grew up knowing that flogging is just the way. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I think with time I really just got to understand, like, it's not the only way. Like sometimes kids just act out because they want attention. Flogging doesn't necessarily fix anything. Okay, so I want to believe that that's one thing I had to unlearn. I'm not a parent yet, but um, yeah, but like even with my nieces and my nephew, yeah. I just keep telling myself, like, you you don't have to spank, you don't, and I think even as she's learnt, like sometimes just talk. Okay, you never beat a child. Depends on the situation, like I said, it depends, but it's not always my go-to. Go to okay.

SPEAKER_08 11:16

Like, oh, you did this boom, yeah, boom. No, no, no.

SPEAKER_03 11:19

I feel like that's gonna develop a fear which is gonna be toxic in in the future. Because uh, nobody, I don't think these days parents, I mean the new gen parents, like are like canary or anything. Yeah, I think some are, but it depends on the situation. Oh, I feel like there's a scale to it. Yes, yeah. When you when you do some dumb shit like for real for like I told you thrice, why are we still talking about it? Yeah, I feel like I'm gonna be the like good cop in that situation, really, yes. If it's a I'm gonna be biased, if it's it's my baby girl, man. I cannot put my hands on. I I get you, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 11:57

Me, um, has my dad beat me before? No, he's not beat me before, but he has pinched my ear, and his pinches are the worst. Like, you know, he he like I don't even remember how that feels like he twirls on the ear till you feel like there's a hot pot of soup boiling in your ear. Yeah, yeah, it was those kind of pinches, but what twice maybe?

SPEAKER_03 12:16

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 12:16

But other than that, he's he's never, he's never.

SPEAKER_03 12:20

Yeah, I've been told I'll be definitely uh bold dad.

SPEAKER_02 12:23

You know the stereotype of a bold dad? Explain it to me.

SPEAKER_03 12:26

Uh it's basically you just uh she's your baby girl, anything she wants, she gets.

SPEAKER_02 12:38

Yeah, there's that, but it comes to bite you in the end. Ask me, I know. Really elaborate. I was one of those girls. My but my dad would probably say no, but it would bite him so bad, he will do it. Damn, he will do it. So now I'd say I'm spoiled. Even when it comes to relationships, if I tell if I ask you for something and you can't give it to me, there's a problem. Whoa, come on, man. Damn, I'm dead ass. Like, why? My dad do my dad used to do it, I can do it for myself. So if you're here and you can't do it, why are you here?

SPEAKER_04 13:14

Shit, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 13:15

Trust me, comes to bite you, so move. Are you dating right now? I am. You're in a relationship. Okay, I had to clarify for the people. Um I hate to talk about my relationship status, but yes, I am dating. Okay.

SPEAKER_03 13:38

Dating. Okay, again, I insist dating. Do you are you the type to have options?

SPEAKER_02 13:45

I think I think that's the purpose of dating.

SPEAKER_03 13:48

Interesting.

SPEAKER_02 13:49

That's the purpose of dating. Like I said, I'm in a relationship, I'm dating. Okay. So I'm literally in the market going like Rotten Egg.

SPEAKER_03 13:58

Yeah. Yeah. What do you what do you think is something that made uh the woman we say today? Who?

SPEAKER_02 14:05

I'd say a lot of things.

SPEAKER_06 14:07

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 14:08

Um one, I'd say trauma.

SPEAKER_03 14:13

Hey, hey, we all go through shit.

SPEAKER_02 14:17

I'd say trauma. Yeah. Um, especially in the sense that I went to boarding school pretty early. So I learned, wait, I went to boarding school when I was old. I think I was like nine. Okay and a half, ten, thereabout. So I learned how to just depend on myself from an early age. So that also in its sense just has been a thing. Like I just push myself to do things even when I don't want to, I just have to keep pushing and pushing and pushing. So, yes, trauma. Two, I'd say two supportive parents.

SPEAKER_06 14:50

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 14:51

My I'd say, especially my mom, because my my dad is more of the traditional dad. Like, he believes you went to school, so whatever you studied has to be your line of work. As opposed to my mom, who's like, okay, yeah, you went to school, you have papers, but you're allowed to explore, figure what works for you, how do you want to do it? Do you need support? I'll give it to you. Okay. In whatever way, not only, oh mama, you can do it, you can do it, but do you need money? Do you need this? Do you need that? Have it. But yes, I'd say supportive parents. Um, yeah, I'd say honestly, those are the main two things that have really just morphed me into who I am now. Nice. Yeah. Has podcasting changed how you date? Um, a lot. A lot, a lot, oh my god, a lot. It's can I be honest? Absolutely. I think podcasting changed how I date in the sense that I don't trust people. Like my trust levels are literally below sea level. Oh, yeah? Because now the minute someone approaches me and the first thing they say is I love your show or I'm automatically like this is a fan. I am lost. Oh, you don't mess with fans. I do not. I do not. So now I'm I've literally retreated back to if maybe me and you had a thing in the past and you know me from way back, we can rekindle.

SPEAKER_09 16:25

Oh okay so spin spin the blocks slightly.

SPEAKER_02 16:29

But new I'm not doing fresh meat, I'm sorry. Fresh meat. Literally, I'm not doing fresh meat. Nope. Why don't you dare your fans? Because I did try and it did bite me in the ass, like proper. Okay, damn. Let's just say they like, and it wasn't even too long ago. Like it really just went left, and yeah. Because I was I used to be opposed to him, but I was like, okay, this guy looks different. He seems kind of mature. Okay, and yeah.

SPEAKER_03 17:00

What is something you used to tolerate in relationships that you can't do it now? You can't tolerate it now.

SPEAKER_02 17:06

Um, just someone who doesn't want to be accountable. Yeah, I feel like long ago I could, you know, I could bypass that. I'd be like, okay, maybe they don't want to deal with their own issues, or maybe they just don't want to be, you know, like somebody constantly ticking out your oh, you did this, you did that, you did that, and to some extent I used to be like, okay, me, not everybody loves to hear that. Like you're always being told where you fall short. Yeah, yeah. And it just got to a point where I was like, you know what? If there's no one to tell you where you fall short, so you can fix those things, then what's the point? Because before anything else, before a relationship, before a marriage, it's friendship. If I cannot check you as a friend for you to hold yourself accountable, what about the other stages? So, altogether, once I just notice you're about me, I'm just like you know.

SPEAKER_03 17:57

Speaking of falling short, what do you think is the green flag a lot of people tend not to talk about? Green flag? Yeah. To your standards, though.

SPEAKER_02 18:07

Not texting a lot. Ah. Yeah. Really? Yes. How about calls? Um, also that.

SPEAKER_01 18:16

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 18:16

I feel like let me just say like over regular communication. And when I say over over regular is like, so we have 24 hours, right? Yes. Personally, I don't mind uh good morning, how'd you sleep? Um, what does your day look like? Yours, you tell me, and it's like, okay, bed, have a good day. Even if we don't get to speak in the evening, honestly, I don't have a problem with that. Okay. I really don't have a problem. Whether you don't call, as long as we communicated at some point in the day for me, it works. But now, where I feel like it's over, it's okay. You just did the good morning, right? Yeah, how's your day? Boom, boom, boom. Okay, cool. After um, it's like an hour. Probably I didn't respond to your text. Yeah, two question marks. It's lunchtime. You're still talking about you didn't respond to the text that I asked you earlier. Okay, boom, it's 4 p.m. Oh, babe, I just dubbed my toe on the on my work desk. No, for me, that's a lot. Like, I I I can't. I can't do it.

SPEAKER_03 19:19

Okay, that's a that's a pretty for me.

SPEAKER_02 19:21

It's a green flag. Because especially for women, I feel like we become uh attached more to patterns as compared to the person. Okay, that's a good interesting perspective. So for for me, that's just my defense mechanism. Let me that's why again I speak for myself.

SPEAKER_03 19:36

Yeah, because for myself. I've noticed a lot of girls who if you overly like call them and check on them, they might think you're being too much. You're like uh breathing under my nose.

SPEAKER_02 19:47

Um I mean some girls don't mind it, but some some of some of us feel like it it is love bombing because personally I love a busy man. Over regular communication for me is is a turn off to some extent because it's like, my dude, when do you get busy in your day? I get it, you miss me, I'm your girl, but damn. Okay, do something with your day. Like I see what you're saying. You get me. So again, plus also for me, it's like, okay, I love a busy man because I'm also trying to protect myself. So it's like, okay, I don't want to fall too much into patterns so that even if anything was to happen, I'm already used to us not overcommunicating. So detaching for me is kind of easy.

SPEAKER_08 20:26

You tell me, oh my gosh, I'm exposing myself.

SPEAKER_02 20:30

But yeah, for me, that's perfect.

SPEAKER_03 20:32

I'm noticing a tattoo on your chest.

SPEAKER_02 20:34

Yes, I have one here.

SPEAKER_03 20:36

Yeah, I have another here, and I have three tattoos. Yes. Well, do they mean something?

SPEAKER_02 20:42

Um, so this my so me and my grandma, um, I'm named after my grandma. Okay. Um, who okay, no, I'm not gonna say this one. Ha ha! That's that's my secret. Okay. So I'm named after my grandma, who was named after her grandma, okay, and they're married, so she's married, my grandma's married, but I'm Maria. Alright. So, um with a heart. That's yes. So for me, this is like my trademark. Okay. Then I have these two birds. It was so funny story about these. It was supposed to be like a whole thing, like little birds coming over. It was supposed to be a whole thing. So uh it was my first tattoo, just so you know. Okay, okay, it makes sense. So I sit in the chair, and this guy starts going off, and I was like, How far have you gone? He's like two birds. It's like I'm baby. I'm fine with those. So this one here is uh heart, but it's a C and a J forming a heart. Okay, so that's my mom, my mom's name, and my dad's name for me.

SPEAKER_03 21:48

Oh beautiful. Yeah, yeah. So those are my three tattoos. I think in the future I might start getting tattoos. I don't know. Why why not now? I feel like right now I'm Just I can't handle the attention. Okay. Yeah. So right now I'm already a podcaster now.

SPEAKER_09 22:06

No, but you you can get something discreet, doesn't you? Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 22:09

Absolutely. I'm not dis disagreeing with that, but I just feel like I want to be minimalistic as much as possible at the moment. Okay. And then later on, I'm explored because I'm gonna have complete privacy of my shit. Okay. Even if I move around, you won't see me moving around. That's true. But right now I'm I'm in a hustling stage. I'm always outside doing stuff, and I I can't handle the attention extra. I hear you. Yeah, because I'm already out there, I'm already putting myself out there. So I'd rather like that. I hear you. Yeah. Uh when did you actually realize you're actually good at podcasting? Do you think you're good at podcasting?

SPEAKER_02 22:41

Um, yeah. Oh yeah? Yeah. But um, when did I realize? Honestly, I can't even give you like a timeline, like a specific timeline. I feel like this is just one of those things that it just happened as my life just went unfolding. Um, because for starters, I always wanted to be on media, so my life started. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So my life started as what was my oh my god, what was my first job? I was uh social media manager for a radio station called Classic 105. Okay. So that was my first job. But you can imagine, so this company is called Radio Africa, it houses like almost so many radio stations in Kenya. Okay. So my first job was a social media manager, but I remember I'd sneak in and go to like the newsroom where they'd record like the raid the radio news and they'd let me do like my demos from there. So I actually recorded my first demo for energy radio inside that booth. And on top of that, after some time, I got into TV, I was a panelist on K-24. There's a show called Arena 254, as a panelist. Then at the time, so I was also trying to get like a radio gig on the side, so that's when the energy thing happened. Unfortunately, I didn't get it. Then time went by, I just kept doing K-24. As time went by, COVID happened, and I just got no, I graduate, I quit K-24. Okay, got because my dad was like, you need to graduate. Okay, so I was like, Okay, let me finish my projects. Then after I'm driving my project, he can get off my back. Okay, so I graduate literally after graduation. I get a job at Kiss TV. Okay. So I'm I'm doing Kiss TV. I'm a digital manager, digital media manager, and also a TV host. So three months in, COVID happens. So everything has to shut down for a bit. So of course my contract is terminated. But at the time, Chaxi and I already had a thing called the catalyst where we used to shoot every Saturday. I remember that one. But it was something short, like 15 minutes, 10 minutes, very short and sweet. Nice. So now with COVID happening, so even that has to take a break. So if we're thinking, like, no, we have to keep momentum, let's try doing it um online. So we'd zoom it, of course. You know, with Zoom, yeah. This one's Wi-Fi is slow, this one is fast, this one's Wi-Fi is not working. Yeah, it's this is that is the third. So we did, I think, like two recordings on Zoom, and it just wasn't working. So it was like, okay, let's just take a breather, figure it out. But at this time, I'm still just I'm still trying to figure what's the next path because clearly media has just taken the biggest dip. I don't know if radio is ever going to become a thing. I'm like, I don't know if the catalyst is ever going to come back. So at this point, I'm just trying. I literally was under rebrand.

SPEAKER_03 25:41

Rebrand, okay, okay.

SPEAKER_02 25:44

So COVID is done. Chucky calls me. I was like, madam, we need to get back to doing the catalyst, but we need to have a meeting. So I say, okay, cool. So we link up. He's like, oh, there's um this guy that I've been hanging with over COVID, his name is Moss. I think you know him on Twitter, he's funny. Um you guys can you'll just see him when you see him. I'm like, okay, cool. So he's like, but now so I was like, okay, so Moass is coming in as he's like, so I was thinking, let's make the format longer. Just do the catalyst, but make it like a podcast thing. I was like, hmm. Because at this time during COVID is when podcasts now started to really rise in Kenya. So he's like, I was thinking we can make it like a podcast thing. I'm like, hmm, that doesn't sound like a bad idea. He's like, yeah, so next to next week, Tuesday, come to the studio, let's all link up, see how it works. If it doesn't work, it works. We'll we'll just figure it out as we go. Okay, cool, cool. So Tuesday, we get to the studio, Chuck's is there, Mois is there. We see it, setup is done, we do our first pilot. We're like, hmm, for first, it's not bad considering I just met Moass. Clearly, our energy was just flowing, and that was the first episode. So I'd say that was the day I figured podcasting does work for me.

SPEAKER_03 26:56

Yeah, so you met Moass for the first time on set. Yes. Nice, yes. Uh, when did you meet Chaxi though?

SPEAKER_02 27:04

2017. We both did the energy competition together. Ah, so I'd say my audition tape kind of went viral. Then we met after they did the what do you call it when they when they select, oh, these ones made the cut, the 100. So Shaxi and I were part of the 100. Okay, so that's when I met him. Okay. Then I made it to top five. So they were picking one from the five. And yeah, unfortunately, your girls are make it, but but yeah. So that's how I met Shaxi. Damn. Yeah. Who do you think you have more chemistry with? I'd say both of them in different ways. Okay. Um, I'd say Moas is the one who like I just want to have a good laugh. He's the one I'll call.

SPEAKER_06 27:54

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 27:55

And or most of the time, I feel like I would I feel like it depends on the situation. Like, Moass is the one who I'll call when I'm, you know, I need to have a good laugh. But be like, oh my gosh, Moass, I need like really solid advice. Like this and this just happened, especially when it comes to relationship terms. But now when it comes to like work, Moise to give you relationship advice. And it's always funny enough, he's actually really good with advice, which is crazy. Okay, it's doubting him. I'm just like I'm just I'm shocked. It's crazy. I know it's crazy. Then Chax is the one who I go to when I just need to have like a real life conversation. Like, but I'm frustrated. Strategizing there you go. I'm like, I'm frustrated about ABC, or something very grave happened, and I don't know how to maneuver like emotionally about this. Help me, yeah. Because I feel like he gives very sober advice as compared to Moass. Moss will tell you to do this, but then he'll clown you in between and do what and do what to give you know you relationship advice.

SPEAKER_03 28:50

I met Moist for the first time and he clowned me. Yeah, he's like that. He's like that, and guys, just to give you context, um, Moass and Chuck's are her co-host. Yes, yeah, at the uh on my check. Yes, yeah, damn, yeah. Because I've I've always wondered if I'd ever have a co-host for my show. You should.

SPEAKER_02 29:12

Let me put it this way. Let me not say you should. Okay, I think because even us, it took us a really long time. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because over COVID, I wouldn't lie, we see it was almost like our auditioning phase because we tried different people, like this one. Okay, does it work? Does it not work? Okay. Oh, you tried different people. Oh my gosh, we tried different people. So, like, even Chuxi doing like the hangouts during COVID was for him to test like and see who does it feel like would be a perfect fit. And he was like, Moas just kept him laughing all through. And he was like, you know what? This guy, I think he is the one.

SPEAKER_03 29:46

Yeah. Uh, what's the hardest thing about podcasting, you think?

SPEAKER_02 29:51

Um I'd say being misconstrued, especially as a female.

SPEAKER_03 29:59

Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_02 30:01

I'll speak first of all from a man's especially when it comes to being misconstrued from a man's perspective. Okay. There's always a notion where most or some men feel like I feel like I'm bigger than the program or I'm better than and I'm this, I'm that.

SPEAKER_06 30:21

Okay, okay.

SPEAKER_02 30:21

So there's always that notion, especially like we've had a few scandals on the pod. I'll give you one specifically. So there's a popular ex-radio host. Right now, he's a very controversial, as I say, he's not controversial, he's just a misogynist, he's not even controversial. Okay, he's just a misogynist. So he was coming to the pod, and I had already made it very clear in way previous episodes that they certain people, if they came to the couch, I will not partake. Okay, I made it very clear, and he was the first actually. I was like, if especially him, I'm not doing it. Okay, so episodes have gone by and Chaxi drops the bomb. He's coming. And I said, it's fine again. Right now, where Mike Check is it's bigger than me, it's bigger than Moss, it's bigger than Chaxi. Yeah, it's literally its own platform, yeah. It can run without me. So, you know what? For this episode, I politely choose to decline. So I so we literally were shooting a previous episode, and he walked in when we were we had literally just finished. So we literally passed each other at the door. Like we didn't even say hello, we didn't say anything. I left. Damn. So the episode is done, the episode drops, and Twitter is on fire, every take, all manner of insults. I'm talking all the way to my Instagram. Like, there's no insult I didn't. Yes, there's no insults I didn't receive. And the craziest part is we were in the middle of planning a burial. I just lost my granddad and I was starting a new job that Monday. So you can imagine how chaotic that Sunday was. Damn, yes, it was a lot. It was a lot to the point like you can imagine that day I didn't even leave my house. I actually ran away because I knew it was coming, so I ran away. I went to my friend's house. Yeah, so my cousins are calling me, my mom is calling me. Everyone, everyone from everywhere is calling me. You can imagine my notifications on Twitter are going crazy, my DMs are going wild. It was a long day. So, and what I just picked, especially from the men, were like, oh, you think you're bigger than the you think you feel like you're better than you feel like, yeah, yeah. And I'm like, again, I'm not proud, I've never been proud. Me, I just made my stand very clear. I will not sit with somebody who does not respect me by the virtue of the fact that I'm a woman. I will not. Absolutely, I will not. So if and if you feel that way, because many guys are like, oh, you're a journalist, you're a this or that. I'm like, bro, this is my platform. Yeah, I'm not paid by BBC to be here. It's my like if I shut down these cameras today, it's done. Yeah, you understand? So, hey, you're allowed to feel how you feel, but that's just my stand, and that's that. But then now, when it comes to the women, I'd say misconstrued in the sense that some of them feel like I'd say they I feel like there's a heavy burden on my back where I'm constantly there's an invisible mantle I've been given that I need to represent the women, and I don't mind it, okay, but sometimes I feel like it's too it can be a lot. Yeah, I'll give you an instance. Um, towards the end of last year, yeah, there's an episode we did. Um, it was me, Chaxi, Charisma, and Saddam.

SPEAKER_06 33:45

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 33:45

So in one of the episodes, so the there's something very dumb had happened on the internet, and we started talking about male nurses. Not even we. Saddam, Saddam just he has the craziest takes, you understand? So Saddam says um he doesn't understand why you'd be a man and want to be a nurse. Why not just study harder to become a doctor? Oh my god. That's what he said. Again, Saddam is like 90 years older than me. So trust me, and already I understand how Saddam's psyche is. He's a rage baiter. So when you start going back and forth with him, it's you who ends up with him because he will keep digging that bit deeper and deeper. So I was like, you know, I honestly I did giggle because I was like, that's dumb. Like, that is a dumb take. Because I'm thinking logically, like the thing is you don't choose to, it's where your grade takes you. If you had an A minus and your grade says you need to be a nurse, you'll become a nurse. If your grade was an A, that is enough for you to be a doctor. So when he said study harder, to for me, that was honestly. I was thinking logically, so I laughed. That was a mistake you made. Oh god, oh god, oh god. From just laughing, oh god, to even being discussed on mainstream news. Oh my gosh, you're a lady. Why would you be laughing at that? I'm like, guys. So, what was I supposed to do? Stand up in arms and start fighting Saddam. It's like PS, everybody laughed at me. Thank you again. Not to not to say that eh just because everybody should catch it. No, I'm just saying everybody did. And so if everybody is going to catch it, let us all catch it. You understand? Yeah, but for Mina, it came from oh, you are a woman. How do you laugh at something like that? Blah blah like damn. Damn. But yeah, so yeah, being misconstrued, that's the biggest.

SPEAKER_03 35:53

Yeah. I feel like just putting yourself out there every week is it's a risk to everybody who does content, podcasting, or whatever you do online. I feel like you really have to have a strong heart and backbone. Backbone to put yourself out there every day, to be judged, to be put in a pedestal, you know, to like I'm not I'm not gonna hold you. I've had controversial takes, uh, people have controversial takes on the show, and people used to uh think, yo, it's my responsibility to control what your guest says. I'm like, guys, it's your platform. I'm like, no, this is a platform where people should express themselves. So if some somebody says something out of the box or out of the ordinary, you're not the one to think this is wrong. You just have to listen. Thank you. And you can also agree to disagree. You don't have to agree with everybody. Thank you. Yeah, because I feel like a lot of people like handling that torch of like, oh, I know this, this is right. I'm like, I one thing podcasting has taught me, Mariah, is just to have an open mind. Respect people you don't know. There you go, and just just mind your own business.

SPEAKER_02 37:06

Yes, for me, I'd I'd say the extremes. There's some that people will say, and I'll be like, mm-mm. Yeah, don't don't don't say that. Yeah, but like that one, I was like, even if I start defending, yeah, like bruh, you know better. For me to even open what I'd be like, oh, you should. I was just like, nah. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 37:24

I mean, don't get us wrong. There's a line, of course. Yes, there's a line, there's always a line, yes, and don't cross that, but but sometimes it's not that deep.

SPEAKER_02 37:32

Thank you. By ver exactly, by virtue of the fact that there is a line. The fact that, and one thing I kept saying was the minute he said it, I even asked him. I said, I was like, I laughed. I said, Saddam, why would you say that? Yeah, you understand? Yeah, again, we don't have to debate, and I think that's one thing many people don't understand. Yeah, we can have a discussion, but it doesn't, I don't have to fact-check you on everything, not everything has to be a debate. Because regardless, I'm I might stand in the sense that what I feel and what I know is correct, and also you on the other end, yeah, stands and feels that whatever you've said is correct. Yeah, we can debate till today and tomorrow, but as long as you don't want to change your view or your mind to accepting that there's a different reality, it's a waste of my time.

SPEAKER_06 38:20

Right.

SPEAKER_02 38:21

I feel so let's not so you think you need to study harder, there shouldn't be male nurses. Cool! Okay, that's cool. Well, I believe there should be male nurses, and we keep it pushing. You understand? It doesn't need to be a thing.

SPEAKER_03 38:37

So yeah, I know you're also an actress.

SPEAKER_02 38:41

Tell me about that. Oh, that was actually really fun. That was my first time acting, yes. So it was it was oh god, if I say this for we say I'm a Napole baby. Good god. Um, so the director of single kiasi is my uncle, okay, but I had expressed to him that I was open to trying different things last year. Okay, okay. So I was like, Oh, I want to try acting. I wanna do it. So he looked at me, he was like, You acting. I was like, Yeah, put me on. I was like, get me an I was like, listen, I don't even mind I'll audition for this shit, like just put me in the right spaces, I will work for it. Okay, so time's gone, time's gone. Literally, he's gone, goes. Of course, he had other projects that were happening in the year, so I was like, okay, maybe with time, someone will give me a call or whatever. Yeah, so random day, I just get a text from one of the heads in his company. I was like, hey, am I speaking to Mariah? Yes, I got your number from this and this because they made them laughing. I'm like, oh gosh, not the official call. Oh, I got your number from her. I'm like, yeah, yeah. Um, so we want to cast you for a role. I was like, what role for what? Like, I are you open to come on this day, this and this and this day. They didn't even tell me for what. Oh, like we just want to cast you for a role. Are you open to come on this day and this day and this day? I was like, uh, okay, cool. We can do it. So next thing, um, they called me two days before. Okay, they were like, get such a dress. This is the scene, so get such a dress. Get so in my head, all the same I've been thinking it's for an audition. Because I've just been told I want to be cast for a rule, but they've not told me any more information. Yeah, so like, oh, come get a dress that is this, this, and this and this. I'm like, okay, cool. So look for the dress, look for the what. Remember, they've not given me lines, they've not given me nothing. Nothing. So I'm just like, what is going on? So okay, so two days later, boom, I get the set, like at 9 a.m. So boom, walk in, I'm taken straight. So they're like, oh, let's see your dress, let's see your what. So I'm like, this, this, another. Like, okay, yeah, this can work. Did you bring hair, Bob? I'm like, yes, boom. So the hair is taken. Here guys are working on it. Come this way, your makeup's gonna be done. This I'm like, wait, I thought it was an audition. No, like you're already in the scene, like we are prepping for your scene. Damn, it says my makeup is doing that nice one. I'm given the script.

SPEAKER_03 41:19

Whoa, no practice, no nothing. Just improv and just memorizing that shit.

SPEAKER_02 41:25

I'm giving the script, I'm like, oh my god. So the girl um was doing the scene with shout out to Mine. Um, so Mine is seated right there. She's laughing at me actually. She's like, Good God, today's about to be a really funny day. I'm like, tell me about it. So we're going through the lines. So then, like, no, no, no, like the lines are just for guidance, you don't really have to follow it like to the T. But you can, like, you know, spice up your own stuff. So me and Mine went through the lines like I think four times.

SPEAKER_06 41:51

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 41:51

And yeah, after like an hour, my makeup is done, everything is done. I'm told it's time to roll. I'm like, God, time to roll. My uncle walks in. He sounds after team, I'm like, really? He's like, yeah. He's like, You I knew if I tell you in advance, you start overthinking, telling me what?

SPEAKER_03 42:08

He knows you, huh?

SPEAKER_02 42:08

Too well. He's like, Yeah, I know you'll start overthinking. Once I was like, I will give you when you get here. Like, okay, cool. So now it's time to roll. Good God. What were you playing as? So I was actually in the cast as myself. So basically, the scene is uh bridal shower.

SPEAKER_06 42:25

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 42:26

So I've come in to drop a gift. So the thing is supposed to be Mine and I have like we have a problem with each other.

SPEAKER_05 42:35

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 42:35

But that's because I've said some stuff about her on the podcast. So she feels some type of way about me. And I'm just I'm against her character because the Minet's character is basically, you know, she always has these sponsors, she's always trending for the wrong reasons, so she's always on blogs and for the wrong reasons. Already I'm just like, huh, I don't like you too much. And also she's like, Oh, you be you you say funny stuff about me, so I don't like you either. And both of us are called Mariah. So she's Mariah, I'm still cast as Mariah. So she's coming in. I've just dropped the gift for the bride, so I'm heading out. So we meet at the door as I'm leaving. So she goes, Oh Mariah, you're leaving. I'm like, Yeah, you know, some of us have real work to do, and like some people, and she's like, Oh, that funny podcast that you do with your two chocolate friends. So I'm like, excuse you, award winning, like get your facts ready. So she's like, anyway, whatever. So I'm like, anyway, you stay. I was like, stay hustling, like stay hustling when it like, yeah, I gotta go. So just she just started hmm, bitch, as I leave. Yeah, so it was a nice 30, 35 seconds cameo. It was nice. It was nice. Actually, I'm also I'm also getting into acting. No way, yeah. So uh wait, is it like a proper Swahili Tanzanian film?

SPEAKER_01 44:02

I'm actually cast um as an English speaker.

SPEAKER_02 44:10

Top Dumbler to give me just go like top dollar to give you back like that.

SPEAKER_03 44:21

I'm actually cashed as a character who speaks English. So I've got called in by one of the uh biggest production companies, nice film industry in Tanzania. Nice. And they just hit me up looking for an English speaker and they're like, Are you down? I was like, of course. Why not? I'm down to try and learn something new. So I won't disclose any information about the company or anything because it's not out yet. But have you already recorded? Yeah. Pallet. I did a pilot. Okay. Yeah. I did a pilot, just walked in, and then I did the scene. Nice. I I I I I was given the script prior, uh, the day before. So just going through it, I didn't really memorize it because I the grammar was a little bit off. So I had to like correct it myself. So a lot of the acting I did was improv because I know I was I wasn't cast somebody so far from me, but my character was more arrogant. It was spoiled brat, basically. I mean, what do you mean? It's just because you're nice, but you can kick just a little bit. Yeah, so I'm I'm excited. I don't know. A lot a lot has happened in the country, so it was put on pause. But hopefully everything comes back to normal. And I go back because I really want to experience this, guys.

SPEAKER_02 45:31

Listen, yeah, I personally I after the cameo, I don't know if you're gonna go back to it. That's the thing. Um I'm like I think the thing is I want if I was to go back, yeah, I want to try very different characters, like very far away from me. Like I'd want to play the village girl with a luo accent. Or you understand?

SPEAKER_03 45:56

Yeah, it's always interesting how actors have to like live that role. So for them to play the role correctly, they have to like say, go to the if you're playing a gangster, you have to go in the hood. Thank you. You gotta like live a little bit literally and see how they talk, the lingo, how they move, and then when you go to acting, it's more real. Because if you look at how Hollywood or any big production company abroad shadowing is a real thing, yeah, yeah, it's actually the cast actually goes months in training and adapting into the character so they sink in very well. Yeah, but I've noticed the film industry in Kenya is so huge, and I'm loving the things I'm seeing, honestly. I saw uh something MTV, MTV, it's like a high school type of MTV sugar.

SPEAKER_01 46:41

Yes, I've seen some of the scenes, I was like, whoa, it's pretty cool.

SPEAKER_02 46:46

That's actually honestly, I feel like I'd say sugar has really evolved considering the fact that we when it started, we were really young. Yeah, like actually, I'd say the the actors now on the current sugar, probably most of them were not even born, or maybe they were like proper, proper babies. So just watching the evolution of sugar to where it is now is honestly it's profound.

SPEAKER_03 47:09

I was blown away with the scenes, it's yeah, pretty hard, dramatic. It's something I'd actually watch.

SPEAKER_02 47:15

Yes. Yes, it's if honestly, I feel like maybe if it was more if it had a wider touch of a westernization, I feel like it would make the cut for like a proper Netflix, like it would be cast on Netflix, like boom. It's I feel like sometimes, of course, language barrier and what kind of you know would limit the audience start on Netflix, yes, but I feel like if let's say someone was to pick it up and make it like a proper English, yeah, I feel like it would easily get cast. Easily.

SPEAKER_03 47:46

How about voice voiceovers? Voiceovers. What's that? What's what's that like?

SPEAKER_02 47:54

Interest actually, it is interesting because for the longest time I used to be bullied about my voice. Really? Yes, like it's more of a bass voice, and it's like, oh my gosh, it's so deep. And it's funny because I've met people whose voices are actually deeper than mine, and I'm like, have you walked around this town to meet people?

SPEAKER_03 48:16

But hey, it's whatever. I feel like your voice is not deep in general, but it you sometimes you make it deep depending on what you're saying. Yeah, you make it like a more dramatic thing.

SPEAKER_02 48:29

Hey, it's called animation and scene, but yeah, um, hey, voiceovers, how did that even start? Yeah, so yes, like I said, for the longest time I was bullied, or yeah, let's say bullied, made fun of, all that. We can just categorize it in one. But when I got to campus, is when I like I don't know what just happened, there was a shift, and everyone was like, Oh my gosh, your voice, your like your voice, your voice. I'm like, so for at some point, it's to be like, Are you guys playing with it? Yes, it's like no, you no, no, no. So, still, when I was at Radio Africa, um, they needed a voiceover for some commercial, and they were like, Oh, most of the voices that have been used over time are so common, they want something that's a bit fresh. So, one of the presenters on Classic was like, Hey, there's this intern, Ebu, go checker. Yeah, yeah, Ebu, go pick her. I know she's into this media, media things, go pick her. So they come to me, they're like, Oh, your marriage, yeah, yeah. Come, boom. So they take me to the voiceover room. I can't remember what ad it was for something. I just it had something to do with insurance, something. So they're like, Oh, read this script. Um of course I'm reading it so normal. I'm like, get the insurer, they're like, no, like you're you're selling this. I was like, Oh, cool. And then you did it. I went through, and this guy was like, What? That's good. He was like, So now I need you to polish it, just do it one last time, make it more refined, don't pause, like, go, go with. I'm like, okay, cool.

SPEAKER_03 50:21

So read, read, read, read, read, read. Boom. I wanna give you a tax a little bit. Okay, oh, finish the story first.

SPEAKER_02 50:28

So, yeah. And after that, he was just like, Oh my gosh. So he sent it to the boss, and the boss was like, put it up now. Yeah, so after that, he was just like, okay, anytime there'd be extra voiceovers, they'd call me, they'd call me. So then I actually started getting some little money from doing the voiceovers, of course. And I thought, okay, this can actually become a thing. So I leave, and now I just I just started doing my own stuff, doing my own stuff. Next thing I just started pitching, like um, I'm a voiceover artist, I'd go in for auditions, so I've done for super sport, I've done blankets and wine, I've done Soul Fest. Um, yeah. I want you to I want to test your level of voice uh over artists. It depends on what you want me to read because different things. I want you to say something right now. Okay, you have to give me a scale.

SPEAKER_03 51:20

Okay, I want you to say uh tune in to the no trolling behind the scenes on our Patreon. Tune into the no trolling behind the scenes on Patreon. So it depends how you're trying to send it. As fun as like fun and unhinged and unfiltered.

SPEAKER_05 51:38

Hmm.

SPEAKER_02 51:45

Okay, let's go.

SPEAKER_06 51:46

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 51:48

Speak on this, hold up. You said tune in to no trolling on our Patreon. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.

SPEAKER_03 51:57

No trolling BTS on Patreon.

SPEAKER_02 51:59

BTS, okay, wait. Tune in to no trolling BTS on our Patreon. Okay, that's your camera. So I'll tea I'll teach you something. So emphasis is tune in, no trolling, BTS, and Patreon. That's where you put the emphasis. Like you change your voice a little bit. Not change, but you'll you'll notice that's where the emphasis has to go okay on. Okay. So boom. Tune in to know trolling BTS on our Patreon.

unknown 52:41

I like it.

SPEAKER_03 52:43

I like it. I like it. Um, so I do you like regularly do you still do voice over?

SPEAKER_02 52:51

I still do. So blah, I'm supposed to record blankets and wine. Blankets and wine, the event. No, never heard of it. That's like one of the biggest festivals we have in Kenya. Wait, the one that's not in Nairobi.

SPEAKER_03 53:07

It is in Nairobi and it was, I don't know if it still happens in Uganda. Okay, okay, okay. No, no, no. What's the one that you have to travel to go to?

SPEAKER_02 53:14

What one?

SPEAKER_03 53:15

Summer tides! I know summer tides.

SPEAKER_02 53:18

Forget summer tides. You know, like summer tides. I'm too honestly, personally, I feel like I'm too old for summer tides. My if again, I'm a believer of where my brother goes, I can't be there. Ah my brother's 21, so he's very hyped on summer tides.

SPEAKER_06 53:31

So already I just blankets and wine.

SPEAKER_02 53:34

Blankets and wine. What's that? So blankets and wine is a con it's a festival, happens three times a year, and basically it's just you come to experience culture, food, music. Like, think so blankets and wine has really evolved. So, first of all, it started off as literally blankets and wine. So you'd come with like your own sugar, come sit on the grass, come with your wine. There's artists performing, and you just enjoy nice live music. I like the idea that it's been that this is 17 years of blankets and wine. Whoa, yes. So now it's really evolved to the point where proper franchise, right there. Proper. So now it even started a branch in Uganda. Last year, for the first time, they did it in London. They had the Bradford edition, which was dope. Yeah, then so now we have the first blankets and wine of this year, June 7th. We have Fave, um Ladi, Labdi. I keep forgetting that name. We have Mordecai, we have Otender Willie. It's gonna, it's gonna be a nice, so it's just nice live music, good food. Just plus, there's also an ounce section called Onjawanja Stage, so you come enjoy your own's music if that's what you're into. So it's diverse, there's everything for everyone, so it's really good vibes. So I started doing their voiceovers from last year, so that's been fun. So yeah. Damn.

SPEAKER_03 54:56

Is there a decision that you made that changed your career completely?

SPEAKER_02 55:06

I'd say high school deciding I just don't want to do medicine. Okay, okay, yeah, because what I feel like my stint started really early. Well, because in high school I was a noisemaker, I get to trouble for making noise. It's this, is that so funny story. So, how I even ended up discovering that I really wanted to do media was so you know the school functions. So we had one at the time that was going to a school, another boy's school that we really, really used to love. So the plan was somebody, I don't know how we even got this information. Somebody went to the deputy's office, and I don't know, I don't know how they managed to see it, but they saw it. That there was an invitation that had come for the journalism club to go to this boys' school. And they came and they were like, guys, there's a letter, the event is this Sunday, so we need to start the club now. Okay, it's like, okay, boom. So who's gonna be Chelady? Who's gonna be who's gonna be one? We need to find a patron. We're thinking our English teacher, she was the coolest lady on this planet. Yeah, ran to her office. We're like, Mrs. Omolo, we need a patron for the journalism club, and you're the one who fits the category. She was like, Cool. So when are we meeting? We're not meeting, we have a function this Sunday to go to Moifosis, so you just know you're our patron. She's like, Say less. So Saturday, so we've taken everything to the deputy. We're like, This is the journalism club. She's looking and she's like, Why is almost everyone on this list from the same class? We're just like, Yeah, because they were the only ones interested. So, anyway, fingers crossed, Saturday evening we get confirmation, we're going for the function the next day. So, boom, we get the boys because of course we're just there to see the boys. We have a good time, we have a good time, but it was re it was real journalism stuff happening there. So, I just think being around there, I just saw things in a very different way. And we got back, and I remember days after that, I got into trouble again, noisemaking. And the deputy called me, she was like, Magia, I can't forget. She said to me, Magia, it will be a very big shame if you do not use this voice to make you money. And you can you can so because I went back to class and I'm like, what the hell is this lady telling me? So I sat on it and I sat on it, and I was like, Maybe she does have a point. And I was like, Okay, maybe it's something I can consider, I don't know. So as time went by, I just kept pressuring guys. I'm like, guys, journalism club, we need to have meetings, we need to do what, we need to do what. So me and the chair lady, we literally switched positions. She was like, you know what? You're very passionate about this. So you be the chair lady, I'll be your deputy. Because it was vice versa. So she's like, you take the lead. So I started this blog in school, like school gossip on Manila Paper. It was the let me tell you, it was a craze when we had to shut it down. Like, let's say we I literally was depressed for like a few days because it was sad, everyone was sad. So I'd write, so you'd send me anonymous. Nobody knew I was the one writing the blog. Okay, so it was send anonymous tips to the deputy chair lady, but they didn't know who used to write it, but they know where to send. Yeah, so we'd get anonymous tips. Oh, this and this has happened. Oh, it's rumored who and who are dating in school. Yeah, so it's like a news update thing. Thank you. So now I was like, instead of writing actual names, let's make it punny. So we'd I'd put pans on the stories, you know, put a few hints. So it was it was a really good. If you know you know what I mean, yes. So I used to sneak to the dorms because we used to open the dorms like at 9 p.m. Yeah. So I'd sneak in like at 8:30. At least the nurse was a really good that matron stroke nurse was a really good friend of mine. So she'd allow me to go in. I'd go in, pin it 9 p.m. when the dorms open, it's literally chaos at the abolition because everybody wants to read what's on the blog.

SPEAKER_03 59:17

Just like Lady Wesserdown.

SPEAKER_02 59:20

Yes. Okay, everybody wants to read. So I used to update it after every two days. So now one story in particular got me into trouble because it was about the head girl. So the head girl's boyfriend had a thing for a junior, and so when they went to the same function, the boyfriend was snobbing the head girl and wanted to roll with the junior. So, of course, what got back to school. Me being me, I write it, I make it funny, I make it what the story gets to her. Oh god. She gets into bottom mode, bro. She didn't even get the bottom, she went straight to the deputy and was like, This is the blog that has been causing a frenzy in the school, blah blah blah. It needs to be shut down. And what and what and what? So we the whole journalism club were called to the office. We're told this shit has to stop. I'm like, what? What? So we're like, no, we even go to a patron, we're like, Mrs. Omolo, please go talk to the deputy. Like, we just that it's been like three months of bliss. What are you talking about? She's like, I'll go try, but if she says no, nothing can be done. So she goes, she comes and she's like, guys, bad news if she's declined. Like, okay, so we told her, give her because it was we were heading to Easter weekend. So we're like, listen, speak to her, tell her to give us till Easter. After Easter Sunday, when we start school Monday, no more. Damn. So she's like, okay, I'll talk to her. So she agreed and she was like, do your last story on Easter Sunday.

unknown 1:00:53

Okay.

SPEAKER_03 1:00:54

Like, cool. What was your last story?

SPEAKER_02 1:00:56

Something about I actually have it in the house. Something about Jesus. We were like, oh guys, like, happy Easter. Jesus has like Jesus has died and has resurrected today, but the blog will not. And everyone was like, nah. What? Because we didn't even tell guys, like, oh, we've been reported, it's ending. No, it was just like I remember I even drew a cross and I was like, Happy Easter Sunday, Jesus has resurrected today, but this blog isn't.

unknown 1:01:26

I was thinking, what do you mean?

SPEAKER_02 1:01:28

What do you mean? But yeah, that was the end. And yeah, and since that day, I was just like, yeah, I really want to do this journalism stuff. It's cool. Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:01:38

Uh speaking of school, a lot of people right now, especially the young people around school right now, they're seeing how you can make money through content creation, podcasting, YouTube, and stuff like that. And they're feeling like why am I studying even? You know? So what's your then they're thinking of like dropping out to pursue content and their parents are disagreeing with them. Which I absolutely agree. Yeah, and maybe they don't have enough fun, so they just want to go out on the whim and risk it all. What do you think about that?

SPEAKER_02 1:02:11

I'll put it in two ways. Okay. If you're using content as a means to an end, probably to like fund your school and all that stuff, then sure. Figure it out. Do your content as you do school. But if you're in a privileged position where your parents are willingly paying for your fee and want you to get an education, get it. There is nothing sweeter than having something a fallback plan in case because remember, it's not a guarantee that everybody makes it in this space.

SPEAKER_05 1:02:42

Absolutely.

SPEAKER_02 1:02:42

There's people who try and live trying. There's people who get in on the onset, they ace it and boom. And there's people who forever keep trying, and they will never they'll never they'll never even get to a point of getting to a point where there's like growth, they forever keep trying because it's either one thing is missing, something is this, something is that, always having a fallback plan is important. True. Again, if you are at a point of privilege where your parents are paying your fees, just finish it. Just finish. It doesn't take anything away from you. Having an education and pursuing what you like or what you really want to do, it doesn't take nothing away from you. But if you're pursuing content as a means to an end, balance it, don't neglect one for the other. Because I I trust me, I know when you start getting that small money, you think I don't need school, huh? I don't need school. No, thank God for my dad. My dad was like, madam, this is the last I will not tell you to graduate again. This is the last year I am telling you to graduate. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:03:44

I actually graduated. A lot of people think I didn't go to school. I I'm so fortunate enough. I've I I got I I figured out the podcast my last semester or my last year of year. Look at you. And I've I actually got I failed three classes after starting the podcast. I was so invested in this thing. I failed. Not like I failed. No, no, like supplemental. We call them supplemental. Okay. You didn't like you need to retake the exam. Yeah. So I uh retook the exam. I had to pause the, I even made announcement pausing the podcast for two weeks so I could focus. Yeah. Then I, you know, I didn't go to the graduation though. What? Waste of money. Waste of money? How? Uh I feel like, you know, in my my uni years, college years, it was just it was just a pass-by time, you know. I wasn't like, yo, I'm really proud of my what I'm taking. What what course did you do? Uh communication system engineering. Okay. So I've always been an IT guy, loved software engineering, loved coding, but I didn't get that intensity. There wasn't those courses. So I took something that was like close to what a little bit what I liked. And in that course, I did study a little bit about programming and stuff. But when I kept on studying, kept on studying, you know, employment is a pain in the ass. Yeah, yeah. Anywhere in the world, I feel like, especially in East Africa. So as I was contemplating my journey, I was like, damn, I really need to figure something out. I remember when I was in my field study, we have this thing before in your last year, I think. I even forgot. Even your last year, you do a field study where you go do research. Yeah. So as I was doing it, uh, I was with my guy, my very first camera guy. His name is Jordan. Shout out to him. We're now taking some studies abroad. Nice. Uh he was like, I was like, yo, bro, I need to uh at the time I already started doing TikToks, been called gay so many times for doing TikToks. But by that time, it was called musically. I was just on there just having fun. I just liked it, bro. Yeah, it was jolly and I had a space where I can have fun. So as I was doing that, I got viral. I started doing them slow mo and shit.

SPEAKER_02 1:05:58

Oh my god, you're not. Oh my gosh. Let this be the last place you say that. Never say that again, please.

SPEAKER_01 1:06:11

It was an hour. I had to start someone.

SPEAKER_03 1:06:21

And surprisingly, people have been commenting on my old TikToks 2020. That's 2019. And I'm like, guys, why are you commenting?

SPEAKER_01 1:06:28

And be like, anybody 2026 here? That is part.

SPEAKER_08 1:06:35

That's mad.

SPEAKER_01 1:06:35

I did joke. Joe. Look into my Amazon. Oh my god. It wasn't there. So I was gravitating.

SPEAKER_03 1:06:45

It was my time to transition from that. So I was like, I need to find something that actually make gives me meaning and purpose. So I was like, okay, YouTube. What do I do? Yeah. Public interviews. So I was like, okay, I'm going to start doing public interviews. I'm going to go out in the streets and do public interviews. Just interview people whoever I see in the hot spots where people are at and chilling. I just do interviews. Mind you, I was the first YouTuber to do public interviews in English in Tanzania. I can say that with confidence. As you should. Yeah, because like nobody was doing it. Because when I started it, and everybody was like, oh, finally, a YouTuber! Like, those watch that every YouTuber in Tanzania is as a comedian or a musician. Damn. Yeah. Most of them. Nobody's like doing it. Actually doing it. And when people are doing it, they're just very private with it. It's just that it's like they're doing it for their own personal. Yeah. Uh, yeah. But how do they want to go public and announce it and do videos, promote it? Good. Yeah. So as I kept on doing that, I was like, whoa, okay, I'm liking this. I was so nervous. If you go to my very first YouTube video posted in this channel, you'd see my pits sweating. I'm out here. And you know how English is in Tanzania, people tend to like not like it a lot. So as I was doing YouTube, people came, oh, you should do it in Swahili more. Uh, you what are you trying to act abroad? No, but that's your niche. Yeah, yeah. So people think I'm trying to be more westernized and stuff like that. Oh wow. Yeah, I've been uh I've been attacked so many times before it happens, yeah, come to the territory, yeah. And so it was just like it was just like that. And I started YouTube, YouTube, YouTube, and I was like, okay, I can't interview people because everybody's just shy, and people, it's so hot outside, so people don't go out during the day. When people go out during the night, if you do interviews, people maybe you're drunk, and they're like, yo, take that down, take that down. Because I've had that when I was doing public interviews. Take that down, da da da da. I'm like, this is my work, man. What are you doing? So I was like, okay, I don't want to do public anymore anymore. It's too public, and I'm not, I'm I'm getting uncomfortable with being here in the public so much. I was like, okay, how do I sit just indoors and have conversation with people? So I hit up my one of my homegirls. I was like, yo, pull up, I want to do a video like I was having chat. I never even knew it was podcasting. There you go. So I did the the video, and now I'm like, okay, so I need to find a name. What do I don't have a name? You know, so yeah, as I was researching, I think many podcasters have that problem.

SPEAKER_02 1:09:11

Like if you recorded something dope, and you're like, Yeah, the name.

SPEAKER_03 1:09:15

Yeah, yeah. So as I was searching and researching, I was I realized, oh, there was a podcast. This is called Podcasting. I was like, oh. And as I was researching, I figured out there was another podcast in Tanzania by this girl, a woman called Salama Jabir. I don't know. Yeah, she hosts uh Bongo Stasach. Okay, so basically, uh, she was the podcast legend in Tanzania, and I was like, oh wow, okay, I need to like consume her content. Watching what she does, I was like, dope. I'm noticing her strategies, but I I never knew why she stopped. Yeah, I really want to. I mean, if I ever, maybe maybe it was she she'll grow it.

SPEAKER_02 1:09:55

I wouldn't even say I'll grow. I feel like sometimes it gets to a point where you feel like you've given so much that you there's nothing left for yourself. Okay, and taking a step back is needed. Yeah, it's needed. Yeah, if I ever meet her one day, I think I think I'll you can hit her up. At least now you have a platform.

SPEAKER_03 1:10:16

Yeah, yeah. I mean, it's it's it's gonna happen, it's gonna happen. Hopefully, when I go back, I'll I'll try to reach out to you. Is it inshallah or mashallah? Inshallah. Inshallah. Good that you asked that. But um uh I'd like to understand what keeps you going, all right? Like what gives you the motivation to keep on making these episodes, keep pursuing voice acting, uh I mean voice being a voiceover actress and an actress. The money.

SPEAKER_02 1:10:50

Okay, no, okay, okay. Okay, that's that's of course the everybody wants to ball, everybody wants to be.

SPEAKER_03 1:10:57

Hey, let's not even hold please.

SPEAKER_02 1:10:58

Ah, I'm passionate about it.

SPEAKER_03 1:11:01

Even if the passionate without the money, bro, like yeah, yeah, let's give it a I could I could add on to that and say money shouldn't be the ultimate motivation, yes, yes, the top priority, yes, money should be like top three, and I'd say top one top one. Exactly love what you do, and number two, passionate.

SPEAKER_02 1:11:24

I'd say passion one, money two. Okay, because I feel like if you're not passionate enough about it, it gets to a point where you're like, whatever's yeah, uh okay.

SPEAKER_03 1:11:33

As also as I hate 10k, but then we just hit 10k.

SPEAKER_01 1:11:40

I forgot to say that in the beginning. Amazing, yeah. We hit 10k subscribers on YouTube.

SPEAKER_03 1:11:47

Don't do that, don't do that. So basically, and it's so hard for you YouTubers who speak English in Tanzania to grow because it's not a language that is. I'm pretty sure if I use Swahili, I would have hit 10k a while back. Yeah, but I'm grateful and I'm I'm I'm sticking back to my standards of production, my standard of speaking, the way I talk. I I love it.

SPEAKER_02 1:12:11

Is that 10k? Yeah, that's now that is literally your community, yeah. And I love everybody, and it's okay. Um, even us, that's how we started. Our first television that we were losing it.

SPEAKER_03 1:12:22

We're like, God, yes, yeah, yeah. I'm super that's your community. And I posted a carousel just explaining the journey in a in a nutshell, and I told everybody all the money I've invested on the show, the three years I've been doing it, yeah, was made back in one month. Look at you of monetization.

SPEAKER_02 1:12:41

That's just imagine, that's just it's let me tell you, it's funny because those 10k, those literally become your mouthpiece. Because I promise you, in as much as yes, even if your podcast is not probably a Swahili-based one, yeah, yeah. I promise you, there's people who want to come and just hear what this other end of the world in Tanzania sounds like. Slowly, it starts growing, it starts growing, it starts growing. Next thing, they want you for this, they want you for that. Oh, this brand feels like you're the perfect person to sell them, but that's just how it goes. Yeah, don't doubt. 10,000 people, bro. Do you know do you know how many people 10,000 people are?

SPEAKER_03 1:13:18

I know. You think I don't understand that, Mariah? I know, it's just why I never take it for granted. That's why I always try to give the best content possible in uh on my platform. Yeah, it's not even my platform, it's our platform because it's like we're all learning from these conversations, and now I just did a rebranding. I don't think I'm pretty sure you're seeing the new like logos over there on top. You're seeing the new like banner on YouTube. Come on, we changed the logo a little bit. My face is on it now. Yeah, I gotta put myself out there a little bit. But I'm I'm just truly grateful, and I have a lot of projects coming up for the no trollers. That's the name of our audience. No trollers. No trollers, yeah. So basically, I'm just I'm I'm just falling in love with this career as as I go on, as as you should, yeah. And as you should. One thing I've I've this career has taught me just pursuing this and building this community, patience. Yeah, patience has been my biggest thing that made me survive every ups and every downs of this platform, of just of this career in general. So I'm truly grateful and I appreciate everybody that's tuning in right now. Hopefully, you're subscribed. Hopefully, you base. Um I know I've seen you guys uh on stage on from just from a viewing point of view. How does it feel like? I want to know your very first time stepping on a stage speaking to the checkmates. How was that?

SPEAKER_02 1:14:57

Let me talk about the second, because the first was very so the first we had, I think we had reached what were we celebrating? Either 30 episodes, I think there was just something we were celebrating. Oh, the little small number. Yes, chat you told me about that. I think it was 30 episodes. If gosh, my memory.

SPEAKER_03 1:15:20

Yeah, you invited some of the checkmates to just watch.

SPEAKER_02 1:15:22

We didn't even invite, it was like we did our 30th episode and we were like, let's just test this shit out and see if it's actually you know, like I started early on that. So it was like, okay, so we actually just announced it towards the end of the 30th episode. We were like, so we want to do like a small live experience. We just want 30 guys to register, let's meet. Um, I can't remember the name of the place, but it was at thingy um mega mall, Nakumat, Mega, that Nakumat doesn't even exist anymore, but yes, the mall that's on there on Mombasa Road, and we're like, let we just want 30 guys to come and let's just see how that goes. Bro, we were 50. 50 people pull and we were like, but you know that the thing was with that 30, like 17 were our friends who it was like, okay, even if we're 50 and there's a 17 of our friends, that's still a really good number. Because that same day, we had a guy who had traveled all the way from out of town. He came whoa for like that nice, yes, he was like, I had to come, I had to come. We're like, oh wow, okay. So is it's not a bad thing. So we started then road to 10k first. We hit 10,000 subscribers, and that's when we had our second dive show, and that one was I was just like, what the hell? Like, what is going on here? Like, people pay money to come here, people speak. Like, I've never heard of anything like this in my life. Yeah, I remember getting on stage, and I was like, Okay, yeah, like this is really happening.

SPEAKER_03 1:17:00

It's actually here.

SPEAKER_02 1:17:00

I was nervous. First of all, I'm an MC, so already I'm used to being in front of huge crowds and whatnot. Well, you're an MC? I am an MC. Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:17:08

How do I miss that?

SPEAKER_02 1:17:09

I'm an MC. Concerts, corporate events, holla at me, bull, holla me, baby. Okay, talk your shit. Period. So I think this one was different because it was like, this is my baby. Okay, you've no one has contracted me to come speak to people at the event or hypercraft. This is my baby, yeah. So I get on stage, I'm like, the whole time, Jessica. I was shaking, my hands are sweaty. I want to pee. I'm like, you've not even had anything since morning. Yes, but I want to pee. I need to pee. So next thing we're introduced, we get on stage. The place is full, and people are even standing outside. People are standing. People are oh god. Yeah, I was like, This, like, this is this is a monster. I don't know what I've just created, but this is that's 10k subs. 10k subs. Jesus. 10k subs. The place was I think that's the one we had Jaeger, and you it was our pajama, the guys are supposed to come dressing like pajamas and whatnot. I was like, as I couldn't believe it. I couldn't believe it. I I think honestly, that day I think was a blur for me. Till now, the next one is now. I think as we've had more live experiences, yeah, I feel like it just it's gotten very different. I can't tell you like this has been how I felt for all of them. Because especially for last year, we tried going to different towns, and my mind was blown even more. Yeah, I saw that, even more. So it's like, okay, Kisumu, I will tell you this was this is how I felt. Momwasa, I'll tell you how it felt. But Nairobi is always just it's something else. I think because like this is where the hub really is. Yeah, the heart of it. Everything is always just it's always different every time, in as much as yes, the energy is the same, but it's always on a different magnitude with every Nairobi show we do.

SPEAKER_03 1:19:17

Yeah, but yeah, yeah. I mean, I'm also working on a little project, guys, and I um I I I announced this on my last episode and and said that no trollers that make me happy, and they they prove how much they appreciate this community, yeah. We'll get invited to our studio, we'll have a seat, I'll pay for your lunch. That's it. Anything you need, and you'll just enjoy the episodes live.

SPEAKER_02 1:19:39

That is nice.

SPEAKER_03 1:19:39

You'll have a little sit and just do your thing, just enjoy the episodes. You know what I mean? So I'm really serious about this gang. I think I didn't emphasize on this last time, but I'm dead ass. If you really appreciate this community and you want to see it happen in front of your eyes, you just just do something, surprise me, be creative. You know what I mean? What is the best advice you've ever received?

SPEAKER_09 1:20:08

Best advice.

SPEAKER_02 1:20:10

Honestly, I can't. I'll be honest, I don't take a lot of advice from people. I'll be very honest with you. I don't because here's one thing, and I don't mean to sound you know rude or anything in between, yeah, but I'm just a believer of everybody's path is different. Everybody's path is so different. Like Sean, yeah, we could be in the same space, we literally could be doing the same thing, yeah, but what advice you need is very different from the advice I need, or the perception of the advice you think I need is very different from what I actually need. I see what you're saying. I've met so many people. Oh my gosh, Mariah, dope stuff, you guys are doing so great on mic check. But there's just advice, there's just this Okay.

SPEAKER_03 1:21:03

I mean, there's always those people. I get that almost every single time I go outside, right? Almost literally every single time I go outside. And there's always those drunk people who come and slap you back. Yo, you're the podcast, get my brother. Yeah, so I and I'm not talking about that type of advice. I'm talking about somebody who you really trust and you really look up to, or somebody who really appreciates you and looks out for you.

SPEAKER_02 1:21:27

I feel like it's also the same thing. This this will sound funny, but I'd say I wouldn't say advice. I like again, Alin says I don't get so much advice, but I feel like I just get like little batteries pumped in my back. Okay, like and it comes from very different people, yeah, but mostly I'd say I again I don't say this often, but I think I've told him once, and even he was shocked to hear that. But I'd say this version of myself would have never been witnessed if it wasn't for Chaxi. Okay, because during COVID, a lot of things had really happened in my personal life, yeah, and to some extent I had kind of lost sight of what I am because pre previously I was like I knew what I wanted to do, how I wanted to do it, I had a life plan, I had everything. So COVID happened, all these things just literally dim. They didn't even dim, it literally turned off the lights in like in my mind, in my soul, literally the lights were off. And I I went ghost, but they COVID 2020, 21 to even January of 22. I was literally I was off grid. I was literally off grid. And I was just like a lot had like a lot had just happened, and I think I was struggling to accept the things that had happened. And yeah, like something just died in me, especially when it came, like it just died. I didn't have interest, I didn't want to be seen, I didn't, I just didn't want. So January, now we're told lockdown is over, things can go back to normal. Chaxi called me and he was like, Maria, we need to have a meeting, this and this, this and this, this and this. And I was like, Okay. I no, I said no, I don't, I said no, I don't want to do it. And he was like, What do you mean? I was like, exactly that. I don't think I want to do it anymore. Huh? Yeah, I don't want to do it. He was like, I'll give you some time to think, I'll call you back in a few days, and if that's the same answer you have, we will figure it out. I was like, cool, but just know my answer is not changing, but it's cool. So he reaches out again, he was like, We come, we need to have a meeting. I was like, honestly, I don't feel like this is something I want to pursue again. And he'd asked me why, I just didn't know how to explain my reasons, but all I know is I just don't want to do it anymore. And he was like, Listen, just come, be around it. If you feel like truly, even when you're in this space, it's something you don't want to do, let it be. But at the end of the day, Mara, you're so dope. All the things that you've done. Think about all the amazing things you've done, all the amazing people you've gotten to connect with. He's like, Mariah, maybe you don't see it, but I can tell you for myself. I see how great you are and how talented you are. Don't allow whatever is happening to make you feel like that's not worth pursuing anymore. And I was like, okay, cool. I'll swing by, I guess. So we go. Whenever he chills it down, we actually went to grab something, munched, and yeah, we just had a very honest conversation, and I just explained to him like this and this and this and this are the reasons, and I just feel like something in me has died, and he was like, It can't die, like you're the only person who can allow certain fires to die in you. Nobody has that power but yourself. And I remember I went back home and I was so sad, and remember I journaled, I cried. Yeah, I cried as I was journaling, and I was just like, I don't understand what exactly is happening, but the fact that it's always been placed in me, that means it's something that I should keep pursuing. And I just had now pushing myself, pushing myself. I even started taking now, I was like, you know, maybe if I start putting myself in a media space more, maybe that fire will start coming again. So I started taking pictures, I just and taking pictures, by the way. Just pictures. Started taking pictures, I do my makeup, I'd literally talk to myself in the mirror, and slowly, slowly, slowly, because even when you check the first episode of mic check, you'll notice I'm still tense. Like something is just not properly placed in me. But when you check from like, because I think I missed the next episode. I did, yeah, I did miss the next episode, and uh yeah, something in me was still not yeah, yeah, but yeah, I was just like, you know what, bro? We're going to write this mess out, yeah. Like it or not, we're gonna do it. So yeah, I just it's been very many and different people just putting beatries in my bag, like you know, you're dope, keep doing it. Oh my gosh, you did this amazing, huh? So for me, those are the things I just I'm just like okay, that's confirmation. Keep going, keep going.

SPEAKER_03 1:26:56

Yeah, rocky stars do have their own lessons, guys. Yeah, they teach you a lot about self-awareness, self-value, yeah, and you know, and then it's always good to build value as a creator because that's the that's the that's you, that's you, literally. So focusing on other stuff matters, numbers, money, they matter, but try to always focus on building value first. You are you are the biggest value, yeah. Yeah, yeah. I want to play a game with you, okay. Yeah, so uh, I want to get to know. I have this segment called my T Z side. Okay, but but we're gonna get to know, like we're gonna do a Kenyan version.

SPEAKER_02 1:27:34

You know, fun fact, I'm actually partly Tanzanian, but what no? Oh yeah, yeah, I wanna get I know I'm the funniest mix on this planet. I don't even want to get into it, but yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:27:50

Okay, okay, okay, all right. Something about Kenyan girls TZ is not ready for.

SPEAKER_02 1:27:55

Not being modest, I feel like Kenyan girls, like Kenyan girls are bad. And they will not hesitate to let you know that they're bad. Okay. Like, listen, it's uh July, it's like 10 degrees outside, but bro. I'll be my mini scattered acrop shoot me. As compared, I feel like in Tanzania, you guys are really taught a lot about modesty, you know. Oh, yeah, we're very yes, be modest. Like, my name's Chana, Babizuri, Ketty Vizuri, Bachupi.

SPEAKER_08 1:28:23

Yeah, listen, listen, listen, listen. There's a whole discourse, by the way.

SPEAKER_02 1:28:38

And that's a thing that I feel like Tanzanian girls have that. Like, yeah, like I'll come, I'll give you a perfect example. Um, even on TikTok, like the girls who pop up on my algorithm from Tanzania, yes, they're bad, they're beautiful, but you know, it's with modesty, like she's covered nicely. Maybe you just see the silhouette of the figure, but it's it's as opposed to Kenya girl, my algorithm is like, you know, siaka siaka, it's it's all uh the teenager and you're you get what I mean? I I'd say not being modest, like yes, I feel like Tanzania, you put us too, you're still very, you know, that conservativeness of you have to be modest, especially as a lady, very important. Damn, yeah. So you have you lived in Tanzania? I haven't, but I visited. Uh but if I tell you where I visited, you laugh. So my village is literally right at the border of Kenyan Tanzania. Okay. I so my house to Serrari, I think it's called Serari, if I'm not wrong, it's like what 20-minute drive. Yeah. So I've only literally just been to Serrare. I went inside for a bit. I was quite young though. I think I've enough pictures at the border. So yeah, we just went for a bit of shopping and I was very confused because I didn't even know how currencies worked at the time. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. So I'm being told I was like, I want chewing gum. They're like, oh, it's miyambili. I'm thinking, what? So the guy was like, uh, Aniwaken at you, oh, but is crazy. Yeah, but yeah, then I remember we did have lunch, and remember I had a softer, and I was like, oh my gosh, softer is still in Tanzania, crazy. Then yeah, I came back. That was the only time I visited Tanzania.

SPEAKER_03 1:30:29

Do you feel like you have a TZ side?

SPEAKER_02 1:30:32

Um when my grandma was alive, because my mom's my mom's my dad's mom is Tanzanian. So when we'd go to the village, she'd only speak to us in Swahili. Though she could speak luo, but she would only speak to us in Swahili. And her Swahili was proper property.

SPEAKER_03 1:30:50

Yes, proper. How about it's a swimmer? Ngerma were there like uh what the the perfect response is in Germa. Ah, yeah, oh bless her soul. She was the sweetest. One Nairobi dating habit that T Z will not understand. I think the multiple dating. Um, you people like you.

SPEAKER_01 1:31:30

I'm just saying what you said.

SPEAKER_02 1:31:32

Yes, the multiple dating. I feel like Tanzanians, again, from my understanding, I feel like that this notion that you guys are taught of just you know, pa chamtuwako, te quingi, yeah, and you kim uk impata we to dea. Then there is us where you're told kiss all the frogs. Like if you can even create frogs, create, like, look for all the frogs till you find the person who you feel is your person.

SPEAKER_03 1:32:03

Damn.

SPEAKER_02 1:32:04

I I I yeah, unless I'm wrong. Oops.

SPEAKER_03 1:32:06

I saw it, it's okay. It's just respective. Okay, last one. Okay. What's one Kenyan trait you think would actually be very would do very well in TZ? Like a Kenyan trait that would do very well in TZ.

SPEAKER_02 1:32:22

I feel like it's already doing well. I feel like street food culture. I feel like that's doing really good. But I like, you know, uh actually my friend and I were talking about it, and we were like, I feel like your street food is so cool. Oh, yeah, as compared to ours. I mean, imagine just talking on the street and say, ah, cuna poeza.

SPEAKER_03 1:32:42

It's like I'm telling you, what Tanzanian street food is good tier.

SPEAKER_02 1:32:46

Listen, it listen from the videos I've seen, yeah. I'm like, yeah, Kenya, we need to aspire.

SPEAKER_03 1:32:52

Let me put you on. Have you ever tried Chips Maya?

SPEAKER_02 1:32:55

I have tried chips my eye, but yours looks like it slaps way harder. You've never tried Tanzanian Chips Maya. No, gosh, yours looks like it slaps harder. Mariah.

SPEAKER_01 1:33:05

That shit that shit should have global recognition.

SPEAKER_02 1:33:09

Guinness world. I'm telling you. Because listen, I have seen like some of my friends have been to um Zanzibar. Yeah. So she was telling me how literally on the streets. Yeah. Seafood. I was like, Zanzibar? What? Famous for that. You mean seafood on the street? It's not even like even you go to some places in Dow, there's places you can be privileged to find seafood on the streets. But even your regular street food is not like ours. Because ours it's either it's eggs, sausage, smoky, not sausages, smokies, smokies. Smokies and sausages are two different things. Oh, okay, okay, okay. Eggs, smokies. Right now, there's a new introduction of um the viazikarais, but they're not the zikarais.

SPEAKER_06 1:33:56

What's that?

SPEAKER_02 1:33:57

Um these potatoes, like deep fried potatoes, like you coat them in like flour, fry them, yeah, yeah, yeah. Then you like split them, then you put the kachumbari in between. So that and roasted maize.

SPEAKER_05 1:34:11

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 1:34:12

So then now if you go now, go to like other specific places, but it has to be like a proper shop. Now you'll find like a shawarma. Yeah. But in Tanzania, from the things I see, it's like this is like it's right there.

SPEAKER_03 1:34:25

It's Tanzanian street food, and it's so cheap and it's so good. I remember when growing up, I used to indulge in street food, bro. Like puzzles, yeah. Oh my god. Even that sounds elite. Ah, that they are smoky pasuwa, boo. But yeah, so it was it was just I'm I feel like chips my eye, nothing beats it. You can ask it for breakfast, dinner, supper, anything you want.

SPEAKER_02 1:34:50

Nairobi, we we we need to aspire to be Tanzanian level of street food. Now what I'll hands down, I will give Tanzania. Anytime we pull out to TZ, I got you. Listen, Chips Maya, I have to try the puza. What else? What else did I see?

SPEAKER_03 1:35:06

I'll even take you to this island called Mbudia. What they say, what what it's an island. Everything, nah, it's not, it's it's just like you where it's like uh where we go to like relax, it can be the clear uh ocean, white sound.

SPEAKER_07 1:35:20

Oh, that's not so cool.

SPEAKER_03 1:35:21

Shade to sit, sip on your whatever you like drinking. You know, I'll be sipping on TZ, but it would just it would just make you really feel good. I feel like that's one of the best places uh in Dara for me. Okay, and you can even camp there. Oh work okay, no, I'm not deep as well. No, no, no, it's okay, it's okay. I'm not gonna take you there. Baby girl. Hey gang, don't go anywhere just yet. We still got more of the no trolling podcast coming out. Ugh, how you like it device so far, Mmara? Too good. Oh yeah? Too good. Oh, I'm glad you're enjoying it. Yeah. So this is the no trolling podcast. I like to say this is the no-trolling experience.

SPEAKER_02 1:36:07

Listen, I mean officially a no troll.

SPEAKER_03 1:36:11

Oh come on!

SPEAKER_01 1:36:13

Fuck is he talking about?

SPEAKER_03 1:36:15

We got a new no troll in the middle. Hey, if you've made it this far um in the episode, I really genuinely appreciate you. And hopefully you've subscribed. And I want to have an announcement, guys. We have just launched the official Patreon account of the No Trolling Podcast. If you're a genuine no troll, there's different tiers you can subscribe to, and we appreciate everybody who is in there right now. You get the most exclusive content of this channel, something that we won't post on YouTube, we can even play music in there and stuff like that, behind the scenes on how I did all this setup, all the Kenyan guests and everybody that are gonna be we're gonna be having on the show from now on. You are gonna be getting early access to episodes, you're gonna be getting exclusive interviews with our lovely guests. So I'm truly grateful for everybody that's already in there. Shout out to you guys, legit no trollers, and all the no trollers in there, man. But we just came out from a little show break with our lovely, beautiful guests, and I'm super, super, you don't know how much I appreciate you pulling up.

SPEAKER_02 1:37:20

No, thank you for having me, man. Yeah, it's truly anytime. Like this, this was this wasn't even an ask.

SPEAKER_03 1:37:24

Like it was just like you, yes, hell yes. You know, I like to just appreciate everybody who truly supports me, man. Because you being here right now is truly uh support, and I appreciate it.

SPEAKER_02 1:37:37

Anytime. Yeah, anytime.

SPEAKER_03 1:37:39

But I'd want to so right now, after the break, we usually do a segment uh called No Trolling Questions. These are questions from the fans and some questions I find interesting on the internet. Okay, but before everything else, I want to give a big shout out to my boy Chaxi. Upside are the people who made this happen. Upside is a production company as well, and they made this happen, guys. They made this happen. All the cameras, equipment, the lights we're using is from them. So I truly appreciate that. And I appreciate you guys for hooking me up with this. He also made this trip happen even faster.

SPEAKER_10 1:38:18

No way, yes, you can't.

SPEAKER_03 1:38:20

Yeah, because I was telling Chaxi, yo, uh yo, yo, hook me up with good studios I can work with for my like Kenya tour of some stuff like that. Oh, this is a tour though. It is what you're lucky, officially, yes, I didn't think of it like that.

SPEAKER_02 1:38:38

It is, it is that is wild.

SPEAKER_03 1:38:41

We're touring! Officially, yeah. So I told him, Yo, man, and hook me up with good studios down there. Like, what do you mean, hook you up, bro? Like Bro, come on! Don't sleep on me like that. Yeah, so it's like he hooked me up with equipment, so that you can just use your Airbnb as the studio. Yes, I was like, damn, I didn't even think about that. I was like, go ahead. Efficiency, booked everything, booked the rides, everything. Bless him. Here we are.

SPEAKER_09 1:39:08

Bless him.

SPEAKER_03 1:39:09

So yeah, back to the podcast. So in no trolling questions, it's not something too nothing too crazy. Okay, nothing too crazy. I mean, it's nothing. Nah, I thought you were gonna bring the heat, but I guess all right. What's what's the moment in your career where you almost quit but didn't? Mm-hmm. No trolling. Oh, we have a catchphrase by the way. Oh, so when I say no trolling, you say don't sweat it, and then you respond.

SPEAKER_02 1:39:36

Okay, yeah. Alright, let's go.

SPEAKER_03 1:39:38

Okay, what's the moment in your career where you almost quit but you didn't? No trolling.

SPEAKER_02 1:39:44

Don't sweat it.

unknown 1:39:45

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:39:46

Uh I'll be wait. First of all, we we need to be clear. Are we talking about my media? Are we talking about my podcasting? Which which phases of my life are we talking about?

SPEAKER_03 1:40:01

I feel like I want to talk about the phase of your life you're in right now. Podcasting.

SPEAKER_02 1:40:05

Okay, um, I think my first mega hit on social media when the whole thing had happened. The story told me, yeah, yeah, yeah. I was like, oh my god, I was ready. I was ready. I was like, yeah, I was like, listen, I am not putting in blood, sweat, and tears for you to be calling me old man of bitches and who's on my DMs, but they guys, I'm loved at home by two parents. I don't need this. Okay, I'm I'm gone. Yeah, I was this close. Yeah, this close.

SPEAKER_03 1:40:41

Damn. Yeah. Um, being a woman in the game, right? Do you ever feel like you have to work twice as hard to be taken seriously? No trolling.

SPEAKER_02 1:40:51

Don't sweat this one, please. Let's sweat a little.

SPEAKER_03 1:40:55

We gotta sweat a little bit.

SPEAKER_02 1:40:58

A little bit, but don't sweat it. So, um, yes, and I hate to use this car because I, you know, it's fun. Um, before I answer your question, it's funny. We the episode we recorded on Tuesday with the guests that we had, so we were talking about um colorism, and I explained to them I had a situ a colorism situation that happened um at some point in my mainstream media career. Yeah. And now to answer your question, I feel like as a woman, you need to work twice as harder. But now with this thing of pretty privilege really becoming a thing, yeah, and you know, where I don't I don't think now it's really a thing, but in some spaces it still is, but where the lighter skin will always get preference over a darker skin. So for me, I since that situation happened to me, I feel like I have to work thrice as hard as hard.

SPEAKER_06 1:41:57

Okay.

SPEAKER_03 1:41:58

Yes. Alright. Um do you feel pressure to turn yourself down to make yourself marketable? No truly.

SPEAKER_02 1:42:07

Don't sweat it. Yes and no, because I believe it's my personality that brings that makes me me. Okay because you can you can find another Mariah, maybe, but you won't find this Mariah. So some to tone it down, I'd say, in the sense of maybe I won't really be as vocal in the sense of giving like controversial tips or totally speaking my mind. But I'll I'll speak my mind, but it's sober in the sense that yeah, I what I need to say will be said, but yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:42:44

Okay, just yeah, just a little bit, yeah. Okay, uh, what's the biggest opportunity you've had that almost didn't happen? No trolling.

SPEAKER_02 1:42:54

Oh, don't sweat it. So I start so right now I'm in a I don't wanna say rebrand, but let's just say I've I've I started something last year. So so now let me give a little bit of backstory. Okay, so on upside, when we had just started mic check, so the plan was for all of us to have different independent shows. Okay, so at the time I was obsessed with that with Wendy Williams. When okay, obsessed, like I would rather be late for work, but I would not miss the Wendy show in the morning. Like, please, I'll rather be late on reporting, uh doing my duties, but I caught the Wendy Williams show. I was obsessed with her. I I just loved like I'd say in my media career, she's been one of the guys I really really look up to. I like that she's no filter, yeah. She says it how it is, take it how you're gonna take it. But I say what I say, okay. I love that about her. So I always tell Chaxi if I start my own independent show, yeah, that is what I want to do. But then as time went by, I was like, gossip. Too much fun in that bitch. I wanna do that no more. So I took, I it's like, okay, you don't want to do that anymore, we'll figure it out, we'll figure something out, we'll figure something out. But then I was like, I want to do a music show, but I don't know how to go about it. It's just an idea. I kept writing about it. I'm like, I wanna do this in this way, this format, this word, this word, this word. But I don't know what was just stopping me from starting it. Okay, so I had a meeting with one of my mentors, and uh he's a shout out to kibunja, very commonly known. He's a dope ass MC, he's amazing. So Kibunja and I went for a late lunch. Okay, and of course, so he's asking, like, you know, we are catching up first. He's like, So, what's been going on with you? He's the homie, he's not like you're not a 50-year-old man who he's the homie, so we're just having a proper chat, it's kiki, this, that. And so he's like, So this year, what do you want to do? So I was like, Ah, this music thing. He was just like, Maria, if you tell me about this music thing one more time, like I'll leave this table. You've been talking about it forever. What is stopping you from starting it? Yeah, and I was like, honestly, I have no clue. He's like, Listen, I'll make you a deal. Have you have you shot it? Have you? I'm like, no, he's like, I'm giving you because it was a Wednesday. I was like, I'm giving you till Sunday. Figure how you're going to make the video, how you're going to edit. I don't care what you're going to do. Just know by Monday at 3 p.m. Because 3 p.m. is when I know I'll have woken up and I'll remember that I need to call you. By the time I'm calling you on Monday at 3 p.m. next week, that video would best be up. Cool. So I leave, I get the house. Now I'm I'm trying to script something, but something is just like, no, no, don't do it, don't do it, don't do it. I'm like, again, I've already been given an ultimate. I have to do it. So I'm scripting. So I was supposed to go to my cousins for a sleepover. Yeah. So I Saturday I wake up, I was done scripting like two days prior. So Saturday I wake up, I'm getting ready to leave, and I'm just like, I might as well just record it before I leave. So when I go to hers, even if as much as we are chilling, I can get like some editing done, whatnot, whatnot. I was like, okay, cool. So I told her I'll be like two hours late, but I'm coming. So I get there, I'm so I get in my room, so I've just taken my lapel. I have everything. I have the funny thing, I have everything. I have the lights, I have what I have what I have what I'm like, okay, set it up, do a quick video. So I'm like, okay. I figured the angle that I wanted to go with, which was um lost files of Kenyan music.

SPEAKER_06 1:47:02

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 1:47:02

So just like a night, my nice top six of my lost files. So boom. Do it, do it, do it. I've edited, I've recorded the video, boom. I'm on my way, get to my cousin. So the whole time I'm on my laptop, she's like, let's drink, let's what I'm like, yeah, yeah, we're doing it, but I still need to get some stuff done. So later after I'm done, I edited, I finished it, I finished editing at around 6 p.m. Sunday. After I'm done, I put it together, I show it to her.

unknown 1:47:30

What?

SPEAKER_02 1:47:32

Like, this is so dope. It's like you've been talking about it forever, like, this is so cool. Oh my god, I'm excited, I'm excited, I'm post it, post it tomorrow. I post it up. Crazy reviews, everyone is like, this is crazy, this is dope, this is what, this is what three days later, I get an email. Universal music is in Africa have a campaign and they want me to do it. I'm like, what three days, three days, I was like, in which planet would I ever work with Universal? I just found that to be so crazy. So literally, so like from October, I've been doing the campaign. I literally just finished the campaign last week. This week, no, two weeks ago, last week, I get an email Spotify. Campaign for a year. I'm like, ha ha, this is funny. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:48:42

Speaking of big companies and big brands, when I saw you guys on complex, yo, I was blown.

SPEAKER_02 1:48:52

I was like, yo, that's my weapons. Do we say or do we say, listen, I'm telling you, I think one thing I've learned in this whole process. Oh, well, before before I jump to what I've learned. So this new baby that I have um is called the reload. The reload. Yes, the reload. So basically it started off as a music thing, but now it's I've I decided I don't want to just stick it to solely music. I want to expand it a little bit. So it's gonna be like, you know, concerts, movies, red carpets, everything. It's just gonna be a touch of everything, but the one main thing I want to do that I there's something I don't want to say too much, okay. Okay, but there's something that I want to do. Yeah, it's gonna be an event, yeah, but it's one of its kind, it's never been seen, yes, never been heard.

SPEAKER_01 1:49:48

So right now I'm literally on the hunt for please come on board, please come on board, please come on board. That's why on the same path right now, but I won't I'm not I'm

SPEAKER_02 1:50:07

Literally, that's the space I'm in right now. But I'm honestly I'm excited because it's it it's never never been done. It's never been done, never been seen. It's about to be the first of its kind, and um like having the vision in my mind, yeah, is what's just it's that's what's keeping me excited.

SPEAKER_03 1:50:26

I'm just like, oh my god, I can't wait for people to experience this. So excited, I'm happy for you, man. Thank you. Hopefully you you're able to pull it off. Hopefully, you're gonna pull it off, man. What you mean, hopefully?

SPEAKER_02 1:50:37

Please just manifest the brand.

SPEAKER_03 1:50:39

Yes, you're gonna pull this off. Absolutely. Manifest the brand so you were talking about the life lesson you said.

SPEAKER_02 1:50:44

Yes, so one thing I've learned is just do and whatever whatever needs to come your way just comes. As in, you know, it's funny because before I started the reload, I had sent a pitch to Spotify. Literally, the week the week before I got I got the thing last week. So the week before last week, yeah. A time like that, last year, I had sent a pitch to Spotify. And they were like, Oh, I didn't even respond, they didn't even respond. That's the crazy part. They didn't even respond. How do you send an email? So I was given the contact of the person, like, because I knew somebody who worked there, and she was like, Oh, the person who's controlling this specific docket are not even in Kenya, they're in South Africa. So the most I can do for you is just give you the email. Hopefully, your pitch and your introduction email will be strong enough to hold their attention. Yeah, so that like that's the most I can do for you. I was like, okay, cool, it's fine, I'll I'll take my chances. So boom, I compiled my dock to my my deck together, put in my email, and I sent it. Not even an acknowledgement of hey, I've seen the email, I'll get back to you when I can. Yeah, nothing happened. Nada. Damn. A year later.

SPEAKER_03 1:52:04

Something happened.

SPEAKER_02 1:52:05

A year later. Damn. Yeah. That was it. Just do, I think, just learning, just do it. By the way, just do it. Like crazy faith is one thing that you need to have in yourself. You know what?

SPEAKER_03 1:52:18

You just reminded me of something I told myself uh three years ago when I started. I posted, I was still I was still in uni, I posted a picture of myself holding my phone like this, and saying it's saying no trolling. I was like wearing glasses, smiling, and the caption was, I don't know how I'm gonna make it, but I'm gonna make it happen. As you should, yeah. And I just I was just with my boy the other day going through my phone, and I was like, What?

SPEAKER_02 1:52:44

Oh my gosh, yeah, it's it's a trip to memory lane, bro. I was like, damn, I said this to myself three years ago. It's crazy, it's like not even just for myself. I feel like even just for the podcast, like the things we've just been able to achieve, these were things that we we like we literally used to write as in the future, yeah, in the future, in the future.

SPEAKER_03 1:53:07

I'm telling you, like I'm like wow, this platform, this community has changed me. It has built me, made me a better man, made me confident in myself, you know, made me uh a better leader. It has made me so passion driven to the point where pity, comments, or like minor like things to hold me down don't even affect me. I'm so like tough iron right now. Like it's like you don't know my path, you know what I go through to put this work out here. Fox, you know, you don't know this length I go to to put out the things I'm passionate about. So don't even come to my face with that bullshit. Yeah, before I let you go, I'd love to know what does your life look like when you have everything you ever wanted. Wow. Have everything you exactly wanted. Don't sweat it. Damn.

SPEAKER_02 1:54:12

Who? Um I'd say personally, I'm not someone who wants to have the you know what people would consider the like the top of everything. That that's never been me. Plus, that's not how I've been raised. My I think one thing my dad has taught all of us is do, but don't break your back trying to compete, or just because you saw somebody with something, you feel like you have to break your back to get the exact same thing that you have. It's okay to be content with what you have and what you have worked for, and not to say that I'm not an overachiever. Yeah, hey, hey, I say one that wagon, okay. But my life with everything that I want for me is just comfort, to be honest. It's comfort where I don't need to go above and beyond to get certain things, and I'd say, especially for me in work sense, yeah, because for me that's what's very important. For me, having everything I want is having to just make one call. Like for me, that's what ease looks like. I don't have to go through pipelines to get a connect at Marvel.

SPEAKER_06 1:55:35

It's just like one call away.

SPEAKER_02 1:55:37

I I I know uh you and I know a boss who can I need this for Marvel. I know a boss who can get that done for me. I don't need to beg. I don't need to inquire 50 times. For me, it's just having a stable. One of the my one of my envisions is having a stable connect. I know one person from every place that I would need something. That's one of those. And two, yeah, it's just comfort, bro. It's just comfort. Like, I have my nice two cars in the parking lot in a house that I've built for myself. Yeah, you know, I'm honestly don't know if I want a man in my house. You were doing so well, you don't believe in like having a man by your side. He could have his own wing of the house. Wow, we could have a wing A, a wing B, and a wing C in the middle. That's where we meet for like you know, family dinner. Okay, I could come for sleep over on your wing, but just stay on your side. I see what you're saying.

SPEAKER_03 1:56:42

I see what you're saying.

SPEAKER_02 1:56:43

You know, but again, if um you said for my I there's I feel like for me there's different dockets of how I see myself if I ever wanted everything like as a wife, as from as Mariah now. Yeah, for me, it's just having a proper pipeline for my work stuff, yeah, just having like a nice car, having my nice built house somewhere in the suburbs, you know, it's birds chirping instead of an alarm. Yeah, you know, it's just a very easy life. Whereas I'm just comfortable. My mom is good, my dad is good, yeah, my grandma's good. Okay, like everyone around me is just okay. Yeah, like I don't need to break my back extra. For me, that's just what I envision for if I had everything that I wanted right now.

SPEAKER_03 1:57:31

Beautiful. Yeah, I feel like that's the best way of to end an episode. Yeah, so that's it, gang. That was it. Episode 87 with the beautiful Mariah all the way from Nairobi, Kenya. What the fuck is you talking about? This is episode one of many of our lovely tour in Nairobi, Kenya. I'm super grateful. Appreciate the opportunity to have this conversation with you. I mean, uh, I I was already expecting a dope conversation with you. Um I wasn't even doubting. I even told some of my guys, guys, this yeah, it's a dope conversation. You're you're butt, you're in for a trade, gang. Period. And yeah, man. Ah, I guess that's it. You have any last words?

SPEAKER_02 1:58:11

No, I'm straight. Yeah, oh no. Listen, follow me on my social platforms, yeah. Um Instagram, TikTok, Twitter, or X. Um one Mariah Mariah. And you can also follow my baby, the reload K E. Follow, follow, follow. Amazing, amazing stuff is about to come through from this week of years.

SPEAKER_04 1:58:37

Absolutely.

SPEAKER_03 1:58:38

And I'm gonna put all the descriptions of her Instagram or socials in the description. If you want that, check that and you get all my information. And follow my check too.

SPEAKER_01 1:58:48

Oh my god, absolutely! Shout out to all the checkmates out there, man. So yeah, checkmates at the show. I'm a podcast from Channel. Hey, support you both. Well, yeah, but until next time, again, peace.