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Mwas: "Podcasting is the best thing that has ever happened to me!" ||EP 88
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What’s up No Trollers 🔥Another Episode from the Nairobi,Kenya Tour and today we’ve got Mwass
Host of Mic Cheque podcast, entrepreneur, and one of the most talked-about voices in Kenya’s podcast space.
We get into who he really is behind the mic… from childhood, identity, and growing up in Kenya, campus life to whether his younger self would recognize him today.
We talked podcasting, fame, misunderstandings, and how being public has shaped his relationships, mindset, and
THE PRESSURE OF HAVING AN ONLINE PERSONA!
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Filmed by: Rocky the mutator & jordan
Edited by : sean81jax
Chapters;
00:00 Trailer
02:36 What google says about Mwas
04:01 Intro
04:40 Mwas's AirBNB Business
08:58 Why Mwas loves Deras
10:12 Growing up in Nairobi
12:56 Mwas's Childhood
17:33 How Mwas's Podcast career Started
20:19 Mwas's Parents
22:25 How Mwas Spends his Time
23:16 The Pressure of having an Online Persona
40:22 Podcast and Media industry
54:14 Mic cheque's 1st Live Show
57:29 Mwas's Love for Chequemates
59:45 Mwas's Dislike to fame
01:05:16 Mwas Realizing Podcasting is it
01:07:01 Using English in Podcasting
01:17:02 No regrets
01:17:37 How Podcasting affected Mwas's Dating life
01:19:32 "The Best Decision i made"
01:21:22 Mwas's Campus life & Love life
01:25:27 Mwas in Tz
01:25:59 My Tzee side(NT game)
01:38:56 After the break
01:41:10 Dating an Onlyfans Model
01:43:19 The No trolling Questions
01:48:18 Mwas's Dream
01:48:54 Outro & Shout outs
I think campus was my opening eye to a lot of the things life-wise. Financially, romantically, friendship-wise, grief. The most nonsense I've done in my life has been because of love. What does love look like to you? I need to be stupid in a way I contribute to you. The best decision I've ever made is to not leave the room without asking that one question that's been burning in my mind. Especially within negotiations. I just opened the matatu like this. I just saw like 5,000 people between where I am and where I need to be. So just grab my hand. And then so I'm just walking through a crowd of people who are pulling shots, who are pulling your hair, shouting your name. And I'm like, guys, I just need to get a stage. Get a stage.
SPEAKER_03So you panicked.
SPEAKER_02Yeah. Whoa. I realize people just form their own realities of everything. Something can happen to you genuinely. Yeah. And then they they have their own theories of oh ABCD happened. You are not even there. You don't know me. I think to me, it got to me when it got to when it was family members sharing things with my dad. Like a clip from the podcast that's out of context. And then I receive a call from my dad. I'm like, what's this? I'm hearing. And I think when you sit with yourself, within those moments, you start to kind of piece things together and see, okay, this is why this needs to happen, so this can happen. And then later on in my years is when I realized, oh, I thought I had a rich father. I just had a generous father.
SPEAKER_03Do you feel like marriage is for you?
SPEAKER_02No, it's never been in my life plan. That's what I'm saying. It's it's one of those things that it's not something you plan. Do you have a dream? I have many dreams. Nah, no.
SPEAKER_05No traveling. We ain't calling y'all. Don't swear.
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SPEAKER_02Being a guest in someone's podcast, I was like, oh my god, what do we do? But then on mic check, I can even show up in boxers and slippers that are not the same color, and I'm just like, what the hell? You know how Google you, bro. You Googled me. I Googled you. Did you find nice stuff? Let me read you what they said.
SPEAKER_04Oh my god, read it on the pod. I'm gonna have honest reactions. Okay.
SPEAKER_03We're ruling, we're ruling, yeah. Okay, yeah, all right. Uh Moas He's built a reputation for sharp takes on relationships, culture, and more than dating. He's slightly chaotic with self-aware humor.
SPEAKER_02Okay, yeah, that was when I was in my lover boy era.
SPEAKER_03Do you feel like Maria told me you gave good relationship advice?
SPEAKER_02Yeah, I give honest relationship advice. Mariah will present you with an issue, and then you're like, you should leave. Maybe I should give him another chance. Like, you should leave.
SPEAKER_03Are you dating with them? No, I haven't dated for a minute. It's always the single people who give the best advice.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, coaches don't play.
SPEAKER_03That's a bad of my because sometimes I also give relationship advice, actually.
SPEAKER_02And I'm I've I've only had one girlfriend in my life. Yeah, even the brokest people always saying, like, how to make money in 10 ways. Do you do it and then you show us? Yeah.
SPEAKER_03Oh man. Yeah. Alright, guys. What's up? No trollers. It's uh this is another episode in Kenya. We're actually on tour. Mara actually helped me realize this is actually a tour. Yeah. I didn't, I I was just thinking, I'm collaborating, but it's actually a tour, bro. You're moving around. Absolutely. Yeah. But yeah, this is episode 88. Episode 88 of the No Trolling Podcast. And uh we are fortunate enough to have been blessed with the presence of a podcast legend in Kenya. One of the biggest uh podcasts, he's also a host there, and um, he's also an entrepreneur, you know. I mean, he's up, you know, he's doing a little bit of business. I want to talk about like the type of business you were interested in that gave you that drive of just like pushing it, you know.
SPEAKER_02Oh, um, so um, first of all, I saw how you skipped the word privileged. Yeah, we are privileged, we are blessed, we are fortunate enough to have him here. I'm gonna cut that nigga.
SPEAKER_03It is a privilege, and I can I'm I'm truly grateful you're here, bro. Yeah, thank you. Honestly, yeah, because I know how you be.
SPEAKER_02I bear here not at my house. Yeah, so I was saying um in high school, I actually remember how I made my first caching ching. Kaching Ching. That money, yeah, okay, and how it made me feel. And it was me and my business partner who was the babe I was dating at the time. Okay. We used to buy these black shoes, plain black shoes, and then distressed them. Like what type of material? Rubber, rubber. Okay, okay. They used to be really cheap, like 300 bob. And then we distressed them with like bleach and nail polish and whatever, and just make them artistic, abstract, and everything. And then my aunt came to my house one day, my dad's house, and saw them, and she was like, How much do you sell these for? I was like, 800, and she gave me 800 Bob. And I was like, 300? 500? Wow. Yeah, and then I took the babe out on a date without money. Ah. Should I put it back in the business?
SPEAKER_03Most likely, bro.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, then I went to high school and I started selling bread, and it made me a lot of bread. Oh I actually love bread, bro. I know bread in high school is like cigarettes in prison. It's cutting.
SPEAKER_03I remember uh back in school, I used to like cut costs to like shoot like I started the podcast uh my last semester of my uni years. So I I used to cut costs by uh eating bread for lunch and the soda. So your bread is like you had soda money.
SPEAKER_02Soda money, like soda, like soda, soda's cheap. Soda was hey, you know now in Kenya, like soda let's say was 25 Bob. Guys look at it as five mandazes. So you just do your damn let me have the mandazes.
SPEAKER_03What's 25 Bob in Tanzania?
SPEAKER_00Like me and right if five right now, like 30.
SPEAKER_0225.
SPEAKER_0025 or 250. 25. It's like 20. 25 is 500.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, 500, yeah. Message 400-ish. Like 500, yeah. More or less the same, yeah. Pretty cheap.
SPEAKER_01Yeah.
SPEAKER_02But uh, how you feeling, man? I'm feeling good, feeling blessed. It's rent week next week, so I'm not too good.
SPEAKER_03Wait, rent week as you're paying, yeah. Oh, we pay by the fifth of the beginning of every month, bro. In Tanzania, you pay six months, bro. Oh my god, it's actually insane.
SPEAKER_02I had Nigeria pay a year. Uh in Tanzania. What? Yeah, you asked me for a year's rent. Okay, I'll have 15 rooms.
SPEAKER_03Um, in Tanzania, there's also people who are like that. Damn, they're like one year, minimum is actually three months. Yeah, the best you can get. Like, monthly is actually not a thing down there.
SPEAKER_02And because I have one of the best landlords ever. I I never like to mess that relationship up. You are blessed. I'm always like, like, I I my neighbor pays maybe 30% more than what I pay, and we live in the same house.
SPEAKER_03Because the houses are owned differently. I feel like landlords, bro, and landladies, bro, some of them just have a mad attitude.
SPEAKER_02I feel like we speak like that because we are tenants. Let me know of that opinion when you're a landlord.
SPEAKER_03Okay, okay, you were a landlord at some point, right?
SPEAKER_02Yes. What type of landlord were you? I got into the Airbnb business, which is new. And so I got an apartment, furnished it, and then put it on the market. Business was good, and then COVID said, Hold up. Wait a minute. Yeah, because it was a nicer apartment than my apartment. Uh-huh. So at some point I was in the house at my broke apartment. Broke my apartment. Okay, my my residential area. You call it broke? Yeah. It was a whole it was nicer than mine. Okay, okay, okay. So then I realized I don't have guests, guys are not flying in. And I'm sleeping here. Now let me go to the expensive mattress. I'm gonna just stay there for a while. Are you are you the type to spoil yourself? Yeah, sometimes a little too crazy. Yeah, you know, I just I just I just remembered something. Uh-huh.
SPEAKER_03You in a dara?
SPEAKER_02Yeah. Like I I have seven Daras right now. They used to be like Okay, let's let's let's let's get to the bottom of that. Yeah. So what makes you like Dara's? They're very comfortable and freeing. Do you like just okay, it's like a chill home like a robe for you? Yeah, it started when Chucksi threw a Dera party and all the guys dressed up in Daras. Really? And then the babes were judging how like you dance or how you walk or how you handle the night. Wow, that sounds like a fun night, bro. It was a fun weekend. Oh, you had to be in a different dera every day. Shit. Yeah, it was and from there it was just like these things are comfortable. They're mad comfortable. Then I went to Malindi and we we we were one day going to the beach to just check out the sunset, and then this lady comes with a bunch of them, and they're like 400 Bob. You're like really she was like, give me, give me four. Give me give me four. You get a dara, you get a dara.
SPEAKER_03Do you go outside like that?
SPEAKER_02No, just because yeah, it makes sense. It would be crazy. But when I'm in the coastal regions, I would oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Like, I feel like uh when you're in coast, it's always like that you feel like nobody knows me here, and then what's the difference between a dairy and a canzo? This one is just colorful. One is less yeah, one one is tricky.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, yeah, I see what you're saying though. Yeah, but um, I wanna know. Did you grow up in Kenya?
SPEAKER_02Yeah, uh, actually, if you draw a radius from where we are, right now 20 kilometers, my whole life has been here. Nairobi. Nairobi? Yeah, do you travel a lot? Uh outside Nairobi, not too much nowadays. Um, I used to like the the like I've been around the country. Okay. Uh haven't been around the continent as much as I would love to. I've been to the south, I've been to TZ, I've been to UG, Rwanda. I wanna go to I don't want to go to Nigeria unless it's work. Why? You're already coming for Nigeria already. Nigeria, uh you'll find me there, I'm going to look for money. But if you find me in Ethiopia, I'm going to spend money. Ah, yeah. You make sense. It makes sense. Yeah. But we used to be in this friend group where we just used to travel around. Oh. And then I I joined this car group where we used to drive down to Arusha every Easter weekend. Wow. You were you like Arusha? Arusha, I like Arusha. And then it's just maybe like three, four hours away. Oh yeah? And then the car culture in Tanzania is also very competitive with us here in Kenya. Uh somebody told me to try it out to check it out. Is there anything happening soon? Uh I haven't seen anything in the pipeline soon, but those big uh long holidays, the Easters, and maybe if there's a long holiday, like maybe Kenya has Jamhuridi on Friday, so it's Friday, Saturday, Sunday, there'd always be something. Then there used to be the time trial races, um, like Masinga Titi, or so the Tanzanians would come. Oh yeah. Do you like to drive a lot? I love driving. Really? You see my wallpaper, it's my car.
SPEAKER_03Hey! Wait, like what do you like driving fast cars or just like regularly driving?
SPEAKER_02Uh I I love driving fast cars. If I would put it like into um categories, I love speed, then I prefer comfort, and then I admire the grunginess of old cars. Like, if I was to have a three-car garage with an old SUV, I would love it, but never use it too much. A comfortable car just for everyday use, and then a crazy car that no one understands.
SPEAKER_03Oh, yeah, that's like that's actually the vintage, right? Yeah, I feel like uh having a vintage piece in any category of like outfits, car, house, it's always there's always a creative perspective of it. It just makes everything look really nice.
SPEAKER_02Like I remember like I keep telling people my my dream car is a VW Beetle, and it's the old ones. Uh you know the Beatles? No, it's the ones where the the engine was at the back, and then they look like oh, okay, you know that, yeah, yeah, yeah. I feel like I've seen that picture. They just had a lot of character, and Hitler actually helped design them during the war. Interesting perspective. Yeah, so it's just a nice car. Like the new cars are just so many screens, man. Yeah, I saw a video of someone. Do you miss this? And then it's just turning knobs in cars and levers.
SPEAKER_03Now it's just what type of child were you like? Were you like naughty, like talkative, quiet? Whatever.
SPEAKER_02I feel like I was I was very um curious, but I was also very reserved because I was I was a good student academically. So naturally Oh, you're smart? Yes. Yeah, so I it was expect nice. Why is amazing?
SPEAKER_03Okay, listen, listen. That came out wrong. It's like if I see you in events, I'm like, that's yours. I mean, um, um, it's just a reaction came out. Okay, I get what you mean.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, yeah. I was naughty by nature, but I was a bit reserved because I wasn't like into CG drugs and stupid things, but like they they they used to interest me. Like, even like when I started getting this hair, my dad was like, What the what are you doing with your hair? Like, I never thought I'd be the kid who'd grow up to have like full-sleeve tattoos, DSMs, and everything. Because like you're expected to be like the doctor and the lawyer. Oh. And even as I was pursuing my interests, I've never even picked my degree from where I graduated from. I just started hustling.
SPEAKER_03I didn't pick mine too.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, I just left it there. I was like, I don't need it. I just saw my name on the graduation list. I was like, How much for the graduation gown? Which when are we graduating? I paid for it and then picked the gown and then I told my dad, yo. Oh, I didn't even go to the graduation. I had to go for my dad. Oh. Because I'm the only graduate in our family. Damn. So I just had to, yeah, this is for you, man. Are you close with your dad? So much. Yeah. Talk every day. Yeah. Almost every day. Oh. We were like really, really tight. And what do you think came from that? Um, I think my my dad, so the history is my dad was brought up during the colonial times. He's he's kinda always like 67. Okay. And his father was a butler for the white man. So he grew up like the discipline he knew was straight, proper, clean. You understand? Yeah. Like there was no room for expression or or it was just very clear-cut and everything was very strategic and and placed out. So that's the kind of way he brought us up. But then he was also like a very expressive and artistic person because he was an actor, he was a thespian. But then he had to get into accounting because of bills. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. So me, I'm over here thinking, what do I want to do with my life? So when I was thinking about like going to school, I thought about architecture, that's what I got into. Okay. But then when I was graduating, I went into writing adverts. Very artistic stuff, but they were they were paying the bills. And I remember like the time I told him, like, when I was buying my first car, um, I parked at his spot. I used to live with him. Okay. So he was like, What are you doing today? I'm going to see a car I'm interested in. He's like, Okay. And then he's like, How's the car? It's nice. I'm picking it up on Tuesday. And then Tuesday we both leave the house. I go to work. Okay, I go to buy the car, he goes to work. And then we come back in the evening and he finds the car parked there. And then in the morning, I don't find it there. He'd taken the key and driven it out.
SPEAKER_03Damn.
SPEAKER_02Because he's the one who got me into like liking cars. He taught me how to drive when I was like seven or eight.
SPEAKER_03You started driving at seven?
SPEAKER_02Like around the neighborhood.
SPEAKER_03Oh, okay, okay.
SPEAKER_02Makes sense.
SPEAKER_01Look at that. I'm rolling like seven years old.
SPEAKER_02You're not going to be a guru like 400 kilometers now. He just used to come from work and leave the car at the gate, then me and my bro, whoever sees it first, comes and packs it.
SPEAKER_03Um when you were a kid, right? Who did you think you wanted to become? And if you if your kid self would see you right now, what would he say?
SPEAKER_02First of all, if my kid self would see me right now, I wouldn't pass any exams. Because then we don't need the papers. Oh, yeah, the self-realization. Yeah, I see what you're saying. Yeah, it kept me grounded that I realized I was a gifted child from the beginning. And at some point during my early years, was it was a nice feeling to have to know that I don't need to study to pass exams, I don't need to do extra. And then it got me to a feeling where I started feeling too comfortable. And then um, I think just being shaped by the life experiences of, you know, now you're a teenager. Okay, you experience grief, you experience one or two things, you experience human emotion in its truest forms. It sort of it gives you perspectives into life. But then I realized I'm the type of person when I set my mind to something, it'll have to happen one way or another.
SPEAKER_03Absolutely.
SPEAKER_02And the most gratifying feeling of it all is when the people around you start to see that. Like when I tell my dad, like I want to do this, and he's like, Alright, go for it. I'm like, for real? You used to ask me, What's a plan B? Like, no, this is the plan. The plan. And I think it's just shaped me in so many different ways. Like now, when even when Jaxi approached me for the pod, he was just like, Let's do it, and that means it just never stopped.
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SPEAKER_02Met Mariah on the first episode.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, yeah. She told me about that. Yeah. And she uh she was like, Oh, I met Moss and uh she basically told me the story about how Chaxi she was in the now about doing it, yeah, and then she she she told her about uh about you that uh this guy spent time with I spent this guy I spent time with this guy on in COVID and we like bonded. So you met uh Chucky in COVID?
SPEAKER_02Yeah, just before COVID times. I think when the Safari rally was coming back to Kenya. What's that? Uh it's the it's Safari, how do you describe it? Rally the rally. Rally, okay. So Kenya has been the Safari Rally has been prominent for a while, and then it took a break. Okay, and then it came back. Okay. So it was a big deal, and everyone was involved. So me and my friends planned to go down there, and then Jackson was working for Red Bull at the time, so Red Bull was part of the big sponsors. And then I'd seen some of his stuff online, and then I kind of liked his hair. So I remember just approaching him and telling him, like, yo, I like the stuff you do online, and then we exchanged contacts, and we ended up being in the same table with other mutual friends over the weekend. So when he came back to Nairobi, we exchanged contacts and then just started hanging out. And then from there I just kicked off. I used to go to his house, and I'm like, It's Thursday, it's Tuesday. Damn, it's crazy. Oh, yeah, yeah. I mean, what what was COVID like uh in Kenya? Um, I feel like it was a bit of extremes for most people. Yeah. Um, it was either you kind of found yourself or lost yourself. Either lost your assets or gained some more. Because me, I I remember it's just at the time when I'd quit employment to start doing like entrepreneurial things on the side. Yeah, and then all my contracts were cut off within a span of three days. Everyone was like, Hey, we want to put this on hold, you're not sure. We'll get back to you when things stabilize.
SPEAKER_03That's traumatizing.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, everyone, but my landlord. My landlord is like rent, electricity, food deals. Yeah, but I'm glad that uh we got through it safely, and within that time we were able to find people who you know we gelled together. Um, my then landlord was gracious enough to slash our rent by I think 50%. Whoa, yeah, that's nice. It wasn't nice, it was a strategic decision, but thank you.
SPEAKER_03It was nice, come on, bro.
SPEAKER_0250% it was I lived in a place, there were 22 houses. Okay, and within the first two, three months of COVID, 11 people moved out because yeah, we can make rent. Yeah, so the landlord was like, rather than I have this other 11 guys move out, how about I slash their rent and keep them here? At least keep the lights on.
SPEAKER_03He's a good business person, yeah.
SPEAKER_02So it's not nice, it's strategic, but nice.
SPEAKER_03Um, yeah. What's something you think your parents did that you appreciate now? But you didn't appreciate back then.
SPEAKER_02I think because we grew up like in uh around the earlier years, we didn't grow up in the nicer parts of Nairobi. Okay, and they had the reputation, you know, the like the projects, you know, the drugs, the thuggery and whatever. They shielded us from a lot of that, and it used to look like nonsense. Because kids would be outside and then us we'd have a perimeter. My dad used to say, if you can't see your house, you've gone too far. So wherever you're playing, whatever you're doing, as long as and it's not a high-rise house, it's a bungalow. So if you can't see it, you're you've gone too far. And then you know, kids would just go five kilometers down this way, come back, some are injured and everything. And then we moved into this neighborhood where it was kind of crazy because my dad had built some rental apartments, okay, and then within the same compound he built a residential home.
SPEAKER_03Okay.
SPEAKER_02So um and that was a time when life was not maybe the best for many people, and then everyone is just trying to figure things out. Um, and it was just around the time my mom got sick. So things were just happening left, right, and center. And I think when you sit with yourself, within those moments, you start to kind of piece things together and see, okay, this is why this needs to happen so this can happen, and stuff like that. And then later on in my years is when I realized, oh, I thought I had a rich father, I just had a generous father. I think that's the that's the one thing my dad is the one person who can call me now and says he needs X amount of money, and I don't even think twice about it, whether I have it or not. Yeah. Because it was a realization. I used to tell my my friend stories like, Yo, you know, my dad did this for me. You have a dad. Yeah, so it's crazy. Now growing up, um I think when I got into my 30s is when now I start figuring out, okay, so this this is happening. And then you hear stories from your friends about their relationships with their parents. And you start to appreciate the little things. Yeah, and your parents a nice coming together of thoughts and perspectives that materializes. Damn. And I hope it keeps going.
SPEAKER_03Beautiful, man. Uh what's something that's been taking most of your time recently?
SPEAKER_02I've actually been really idle of late. Oh yeah? Just a lot of TV and relaxing and watching TV and more relaxing and chasing invoices. And maybe just thinking about the pod and and things that we want to do. Like we're also going back on the road soon. Um I think that just the small ideas we have, maybe you can do this, maybe you can do that. Yeah. Um, but also like a lot of I've taken a step back into most things. Okay. Um, to just think about what this new chapter of my life will kind of look like in the next five, ten years. I haven't thought much. I mean I have the dream, I have the vision.
SPEAKER_03I mean, you gotta start somewhere, right?
SPEAKER_02Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_03Uh, what is something you feel like doesn't match your persona online, but it exists in you? Oh damn.
SPEAKER_02I think it's what we were discussing earlier on, actually. Uh. Because a lot of people don't know. I'm very shy, I'm very timid, I'm very, very reserved. But I think when you see me on your screen, you're just like, this is the guy who shows up to your house and just jumps on your couch and just puts on the lights and is like, what are you watching? And I'm just like, hello, sir. Thank you for having me. Where do I keep my shoes? That's actually the first question I asked. Yeah, you just did that today. You came in. Yeah, why why do you feel like you're shy? I think it's because um when I started my Twitter account, yeah, I was really crazy and brazen over there. I was just tweeting everything. Like there's a time I was like, I don't know if I should say this. There's a tweet of mine that comes up once in a while. I ask her, Is do you guys remove anal bits slowly or like someone trying to light up a generator? I used to tweet things like this.
SPEAKER_03Ah, okay.
SPEAKER_02And then I show up to a boardroom where I'm presenting strategic direction for brand X 2019. And then they're like, Are you the generator? Generator guy Oh okay.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, what how did you get so much influence on Twitter?
SPEAKER_02I think it was uh it was the place where um Twitter you could really be yourself. No one knows how you look like, no one knows how you sound. You know, nowadays social media is very visual. Okay, yeah. So before someone makes uh an opinion of you, they've seen how you dress, where you hang out, who you're with. So it's already an impression at first before they realize. But Twitter was just a place where you could just laugh, cry, talk about anything, and then you just find someone else who's in a place where you gel together, and then you just make good friendships. But it was also like money motivated.
SPEAKER_03Oh, you made money?
SPEAKER_02Yo, someone came up to me one day and told me to tweet something about a brand and they'll pay me 20,000 shillings, which back in the day was good money, still good money. Still good money. And then I did that, and then they told me, Can you do it again next month? I was like, Yeah, and then next month. I was like, Are you kidding? You're gonna pay me 60,000. Like, yeah, come for your check. And that's how I opened my first bank account. Nice! I'd never used I'd never banked a check to my name, that is. I'd paid school fees and things, yeah, but it'd never been a check with my three names on it. That was beautiful, man. So I just went, I was opening the bank account with the names on the check so that it matches. Nice, yeah, yeah. And then I was dumb enough to bank the check and then go to the ATM, like, ah, go to the channel. Yeah, that's when I learned about book balance and available balance. Uh do you enjoy podcasting? A lot. Yeah. I keep telling my bro it's like the best thing that has happened to me in a while. Yeah. Because I remember like when I used to tell people back in the day, like, um, so I uh when I got into the business of advertising, advertising is seen as the business of lies. You just tell lies beautifully. Like someone is selling you water, they're telling you refresh your life, no, just drink water. So there's a time I was just making a joke with my then boss, and then I was telling him, Yo, I want to make a mic from this all this talking I'm doing. And I was like, and when I do, I'll grab a microphone and I'll say mic check. And then it stuck with me for a while and then it fizzled out, and then I met Chaki and then it came up again. And he was like, Let's do it.
SPEAKER_03So you're the originator of the mic check name.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, but it was it felt very validating that it wasn't fought by anyone. He was like, Here's the logo already. I'm like, okay, we're shooting, okay. Again, yeah.
SPEAKER_03Compared to how mic check started, how do you feel looking at it right now? Honestly, it feels scary.
SPEAKER_02There's something Jackson keeps uh he says scary hours. Have you ever dreamt so big you got scared? You know what I mean? I I've never like let me ask you Range Rovers are nice to look at. They're like, oh, that's a nice car, that's a nice car, nice interior. And then when they start s um looking like more and more available and approachable, it's like and then you're like, okay, so I can get this. I can get this. Okay, now I need to sustain these payments. Okay, now this insurance is not two shillings. Okay, okay, okay, okay. You know, so it's like that, it's like we've built a community who keep sending you DMs and telling you things you're like, yo. Like someone tell you they haven't eaten for a few days. Amma, you made me laugh. You guys make my days. Yeah, and some of them I can't get into it because they're very personal. Yeah, but they're so deep, you just have to keep going.
SPEAKER_03You gotta keep going.
SPEAKER_02And then now you know, like it's a it's a big team, but even looking at the trio, I like I like that it's a trio because you're always um outnumbered. If you say sorry, if you say we're doing a tour to play sex or easy, it's gonna cost this much, it's gonna need us to be at our best, it's gonna whatever, whatever. Even if you're not at your best, you're just gonna be like, I can't let these two guys down. What if maybe you can't make it for an episode because you're sick, you have to be like at your really worst. You know, like, yo, I can't. And then the other guys will be like, We got you. We got you. Yeah. So it's a nice balance, but I think the journey and the learning is everything. Yeah, it's taken me a long time to get to a place where I can finally say that I used to worry about it a lot, but now I'm excited about the outcome.
SPEAKER_03Yeah.
SPEAKER_02More and more. Has podcasting changed how you go about life? Yeah, maybe quit my jobs. Oh, not because it has the money, yeah, but it kind of shifted my focus on things. Because you know, we are so focused on paying bills. Yeah, yeah. So you always shelve your dreams for like a later, but that later never gets there. You'll be 50 thing, like, yo, once I'm done with this nine to five, I'll grab a microphone. Yeah, it's it's changed uh a lot of my thinking. Yeah. And then also maybe within the first one or two years, um, just gave me new perspectives on how to think um around life in general. Okay. Because you didn't realize things you say are powerful, and we've had crazy experiences. We've had people cry to us at clubs. We've had people, someone just coming to the streets and being like, Yo, you're that guy from the podcast. I like what you do, man. Thank you. Every time I'm ordering stuff to my house, like the delivery guy's like, Yeah, it's you, can it help you? It's a nice feeling. I have a nice relationship with my security guys at the where I live because they're like, I'm gonna end the recording. I'm like, Yeah, yeah, yeah. Um so it's it gives you new perspectives that you didn't even know exist or could exist. And it's just nice to wonder what lies ahead, but also not wonder so much as expected and just being ready for it.
SPEAKER_03Has it ever been difficult to podcast?
SPEAKER_02Sometimes, yeah. Because I know, like, you know, we shoot maybe across the whole yeah, and even the days that we take a break, maybe in December for two weeks, so guys can go be family and everything. We've shot a couple of episodes, so it's been a couple of heavy weeks before that. So that there's an episode every other um designated time. And as you know, like life is not easy, things are not easy. And then um, you might not be at your best, but sometimes you just land at studio like this, and five to ten minutes in you've forgotten your whole issues, that your house has a leak, that your washing machine is not clean, that your clothes are on the floor. It's like it's like best, and you can get a whole vacuum, not everything else doesn't matter at that point, and then you just get back into the cab going home, and you're like, oh yeah, shit. But today was fulfilling. Yeah, it's those moments, and then just I'm glad that I found friendship within that whole setup, yeah. Even with the casting crew, yeah, like everyone just is is a whole pure soul.
SPEAKER_03That's what do you love most about podcasting?
SPEAKER_02I think it's the fact that I can be raw with my experience and that I'm learning so much from the audience when they think they learn so much from me. I don't know if that makes sense. I I totally do. If someone says, Yo, Mas, I never thought about life like this until you said this, and then I said, I never thought I could say something like this and have someone say this to me that would open a flow. I've I have people I talk to on the DMs like we're buddies, I've never seen them. They're just like, yo, in this episode you said ABCD about EFGH, and then you get into a discourse, and then it's just mind-blowing and eye-opening.
SPEAKER_03I get that too, actually. Sometimes I say stuff in here, and when I'm editing, or like and I post here, and people be like, and I I I actually shock myself sometimes at what I say here. It's like it's you're so in the zone and you saw yourself, it just comes out. Yeah, and sometimes we forget what we say out loud most of the time until we we document that moment, and then you realize, oh damn, I'm actually not that bad.
SPEAKER_02I used to call it radio advice, like you know, when when you think you're telling someone something, yeah, but you're actually telling it to yourself. So sometimes you're in the kitchen making your omelettes and you're like, I need to do this different, I need to talk to this, I need to apologize to this person. Yeah, and then you're on the podcast. So friendships are very key. Apologize, and then you watch an episode, you're like, Oh sorry.
SPEAKER_03Uh what do you think is the biggest misunderstanding people have of you?
SPEAKER_02Um I just get a lot of rumors around my sexuality all the time. What are they saying? They're saying everything but straight. Damn. So, like, just because maybe I'm wearing some shorts, uh, or like whatever. Maybe just comfortable in your skins. Guys are like, is this guy a girl? Yeah, he's not gay, no? No, no, no. So it's just uh it's one of those things that it's gotten to a point it's really annoying for that even to be a consideration as a conversation. Were you still going on? Yeah, till date. Even today I was watching like a clip, and then I think we sat on the couch and then Mariah. Yeah, and then someone is like, The guy, the person next to Mariah, are they a boy or a girl? I'm like, I'm sorry, you have a boner. Like, that's not my fault.
SPEAKER_03I mean, I also got gay allegations back when I was starting out.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, it's crazy. And and it's usually the the silliest of things, oh, the hair, all the piercings, all the basically what made uh what what made me uh get uh the gay allegations was uh on Twitter actually.
SPEAKER_03I held a book and a water bottle in one hand and my hand twisted like that. Oh wow, and they circled it red and they started going back. I'm like, why? What's wrong with you guys? Like, I was just taking a selfie. Yeah. And then I and then what when it comes to this comments, bro, like it it stopped bothering me when actually my mom told me this uh after I had a big um situation happened uh in my platform where I was accused of supporting something I did not support, you know. So basically, when I told that I when I talked to my mom about it, she was like, They don't know you, son. Like we know you who you are, and we know you would never support that. So when my mom said that to me, I was like, She said it just like simply, just like that. And I was like, you know what? She's right. Like, why am I letting all people online get to your head be the judge of who I am? They don't even know me, they just see me on the screen.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, it's yeah, it's crazy, and then you know, I realize people just form their own realities of everything. Yeah, like something can happen to you genuinely, yeah, and then they they have their own theories of oh, ABCD happened, you are not even there, you don't know me. We've never met everything you see on me is on a screen somewhere or heard from someone, yeah, yeah. And I think to me, it got to me when it got to when it was family members sharing things with my dad. Like a clip from the podcast that's out of context, and then I I receive a call from my dad. I'm like, what's this? I'm hearing. And then but right now he's cool, he's easy. Yeah. I was just like, you put yourself on the spotlight, so it comes at a job.
SPEAKER_03Do you feel like you like a hundred percent on the pod or you hold yourself back a little bit?
SPEAKER_02Uh initially I used to be like let's say the first 50 episodes, yeah, I used to really hold back. Nowadays, I don't even think about what I'm going to speak on the pod until we say, We are my check. Episode, let's go. Because we used to have pre-production meetings where we discuss what we're going to discuss. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then they used to be funnier than the episode because you're trying to remember what did I say? What should I say? Yeah. So nowadays it's just let's go. Improv. Yeah.
SPEAKER_03Mariah told me she holds back most of the time. Yeah, and then from what perspective? In a sense of she doesn't give out her true like opinion on some stuff, yeah. Unless, but in person, she would give out like unfiltered.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, because there's a time Mariah used to go through the comments, and Jackson said good luck. Mariah used to be in the comments back. What? So someone says, Oh, CG that girl ABCD is like and your mama. Not in those words, but like it was those clapbacks, and then so I think I I never go through the comments unless someone maybe sends me a comment or a screenshot. They look at what CG Samonex is saying about you. I'm like, I don't know this person, they don't know me. Yeah, yeah. And you know, there's a day I asked someone on Twitter, they were just going back and forth about how uh Mike Chuck is a trash podcast and CG Waterwater, and they said something to the tune of this is why podcasting equipment should be expensive. And you're like, I saw that shit as well. Do you know how much this camera is?
SPEAKER_03Do you know they said that to my shit too? They should make this the clip went back about sexuality. I was talking about having sex, basically. Yeah, like sex position. I think it was a clip, something about that. Yeah, basically, the guests were expressing how they like it. And people got oh, got offended. Like, why are they talking about this thing? I was like, I've always asked this question, like, what's wrong talking about sex? Like, you guys have it, everybody has it, you were brought to this earth through it. Exactly. So, what's wrong with just people expressing how they feel about it? I mean, I get it, there's some standard of how you explain it online, maybe I don't know. Yeah, you know, living in a living in Tanzania, it's uh it's a very reserved, reserved country. Like people really don't express themselves. So and then when it it comes to people expressing themselves, they get like pointed fingers at, you know, like yo, you who you who you think you are, or that you have manners, who raised you?
SPEAKER_02Or it's deemed offensive for no reason. Like, I'm like, I I genuinely would say like we've we've never had an offensive mic check episode, yeah. Like where someone would come and say like some crude shit about you know women or CG people of colour or whatever. Yeah, yeah. It's just and even if maybe something came off offensive, it was just banter that took a wrong left but was usually corrected. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, and it's just conversations that happen in every day, and you take correction seriously because there's guys who've been like on the comment section, then you guys are discussing ABCD. I feel like I should shed some light on the matter, yeah. And then we acknowledge it on the next episode, and you're like, we got this ni-ni-ni. So it's a learning process for both us and our audience.
SPEAKER_03I always tell people that, yeah. It's just like we I we make mistakes. Sometimes I might say something because that's what I believe. And the thing is, if you watch, I believe even you, if you people watch the earlier episodes and how you were addressing factors or addressing things basically, they'll they would see the growth in you. Yeah. And people people just expect you to be perfect just because you're in front of a camera. I'm like, bro, like, I'm just trying to like express how I feel at the moment.
SPEAKER_02And it's like there's never a right way to do it. Yeah, like guys are like, oh, this is we stopped watching TV because TV is so controlled. You you get controlled, so you get trained and scripted and everything. This is why you want to watch podcasts. Then your podcast, you're like, Yeah, oh, you guys should go back to TV. I'm like, Yeah, it's always controversial. We were having this conversation with the gang recently. Like, someone might go and say, like, I like Mike Check podcast, and then someone else is like, Yo, have you heard about Podcast X? They're funnier, I'm they're better. I haven't said they're bad, I just said I like these guys. And I haven't said that it needs to be everyone against each other. Like, we're still all building something new. Exactly. Maybe a few years back this was not something that was norm. Yeah, it's just like when vlogging came around, and then everyone became a vlogger, and then there are some successes and some failures. Yeah, of course. There are obviously some people who are just vlogging some random shit and then you're like, yo, stop. Yeah, and then it evolved to whatever it is right now. Even podcasting is still evolving. Absolutely. In in a big way or a small way, I don't know. But we are all learning, as long as someone is not outrightly like coming to put out, you know, vile opinions about things, yeah, yeah. Or just saying like, oh, women should do this, oh, men should do this, oh these people, or those people, yeah.
SPEAKER_03I feel like even the podcast industry, I want to talk about the podcast industry in Kenya. Yeah, uh Mariah, I think Mariah told me that it kicked off uh around the pandemic. Yeah. And then everybody was just like into it, you know what I mean? Like everybody podcasting, podcasting, everybody started, people succeeded, succeeded, some failed. Yeah. And like looking at looking at it back now, what do you think how the podcast industry should be approached? Or how do you think people should approach it if they want to go about it?
SPEAKER_02Okay, I think like any other thing that you want to be successful in, whether it's creating change, impact, money, whatever, yeah, you just need to study it first. Nice. It's not it looks easy, I'm not gonna lie. Oh, sit on a camera and give opinions. I could do that. Everyone could do that. It's always three people on a couch talking about what women should do. It's always three women talking about G why marriage is bad. It's always G three failed musicians saying house G, the musicians who are you know, yeah, it's not about giving opinions, it's and and that's a big part of the job, but there's some structure to it. Absolutely, and and people need to learn the structure behind it. It's a job like any other. It's call time is call time. Absolutely, budgets are budgets, locations are locations, you know, like yeah, it's it's very structured, and you need to know how to play your part in it well, yeah, and also just figure out a way to not be what are they called? Clickbaits. Just say random shit so that people can click.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, I feel like even it's a funny story how I stumbled upon it. I think I've said this on a pod before. I literally stumbled upon this all by accident. Like my my my entire goal was just to have conversations. I never knew it was called podcasting. Yeah, like I when I shot my first episode with my one of my homegirls, I was because like I started off doing public interviews basically. Yeah, I was doing like going outside, and you know how dark dark is so hot, bro. It's so extremely hard to the point where people don't even dress nicely during the day.
SPEAKER_02It's one of those places I've been to, but the the the rest of the times I've been to, I haven't been outside, just been in the hotel.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, and when I say no and dress nicely, it's just that they don't put out fits properly because it's too hot. You can't like layer.
SPEAKER_02You can't yeah, you can't do a shirt and a shirt and then over shirt.
SPEAKER_03Incapable, I'm balling out here, bro. I'm just like I'm just being free when they come here to dress up. Fuck up here. I'm like, what do you have seven suitcases? I don't care. But basically, as I was, it was difficult to shoot episode. I mean a public interview, and I was sweating. If you look at my very first epit uh video basically on YouTube, you'd see my pits sweating, bro, nervous, yeah, and it's hard. It was really a struggle. So I was like, how do I still have conversation with people about indoors? I was like, okay, let me just invite some of my friends, da-da-da, and just start shooting podcasts with my friends with the AC on. Yeah, of course, of course, but at the time I didn't have money to book an Airbnb that had AC. So I used to hop on different houses, one of my homies, houses, Airbnbs. Anybody, if I cannot if I if I can avoid an expense of an Airbnb, I can just if somebody has a good house, like yo, bro, what's I mean? Just make friends with them. And then boom, I'm at the house shooting a bug guess. So I I did that for a while. I even did restaurants. I told restaurants, uh, just uh give me a plate or or juice and I'll promote you guys. Uh let me do shoot an episode here. You are cheap. Fuck out. I was struggling, I was struggling shit out. I get what you mean. Yeah, so I did that for a while till I got to the studio, but point when I was trying to say is like when I shot my very first episode, I didn't even have a proper name of it. I was like, oh, I don't know what to call this. Like, what is this? Like, uh then, as I was doing ri uh research, I was like, oh, it's called podcasting, and I realized the only podcast I've seen that was serious back then was called Salama Jabir in Tanzania. And then she basically stopped. I don't know why. I'm gonna I said this in the last episode of Mariah, that I'm gonna try to figure it out. Okay. But Salama Jabir was her name. Yeah. Okay. So basically, she was my inspiration as I was starting out podcasting, just looking at what she's doing, some of the shots. I was like, oh, so this is how she promotes her stuff, this is how she does it. Okay, I can take this. Um I don't like how she does this, so I'm gonna do it my own way. So I I did that. Then when she stopped, I was like, okay, okay, if I'm looking, why am I um you know, uh trying to gather information from somebody who stopped? So I was like, oh, maybe, maybe I might mislead myself. Maybe there's a reason she stopped. So I'd rather not um diss that format. I was just like, let me just figure out something else. You know, so I started looking up to other podcasts, started gathering information. Then yeah, podcasting just came to me like that.
SPEAKER_02And you see, you did the groundwork, you went, you did the digging. Oh, yeah. Yeah, people skip that people go to the shop to buy a microphone, yeah, and then learn from their mistakes.
SPEAKER_03I was so invested, and it yo, I couldn't even explain it. That's all I was thinking about.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, literally day and night. I was telling we were having that conversation with Mara, like we get some random request of hey, we like what you guys do. Can you come to our pod? Yeah, and I'm like, okay, I click on the profile, and then it's just like the topics, yeah. And uh have you ever had sex with your side chick on your parents' bed? What? Why would I leave my house, come to this very nice place to talk to you about?
SPEAKER_03I'm like, shut up. Um, when you click when you when you click to the microphone, what do you think? Yeah, when you click to the neutral impact, what do you think?
SPEAKER_02Uh it's it's a nice balance of it's it's very seriously unserious and very unseriously serious, you know. It feels like a nice conversation. You know how uh my friend was asking me how if you I would have a child, how I'd raise them, you know, conversations maybe around sex and whatever. Like every parent, I think right now should be the child's friend first before you're a parent. Nice, okay. You know what I mean? Like I want my child to call me and say, Dad, um, it's 2 39 a.m. I'm drunk at a concert. I'm sorry, I s I I ran away from home, but I just need money for an Uber, you can come pick me up. And I want to be aware of that situation. So that's as you're I don't want to be, hey dad, um, there are no tokens in the house. Could you please send you like I'm in the house, there are tokens. Why are you teacher then two days they've gone to stay at their friends? Yeah, you know. Yeah, I see what you're saying. So I feel like that's that's how it feels. It feels like you learn so much from watching people just have normal conversations that felt so very far-fetched. Yeah, they feel closer and they feel more relatable. So even when you're going to um maybe do more research on it or share it across, you have greater anchoring. Yeah, so good job.
SPEAKER_03Thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you. I feel like uh I did a rebrand actually. Uh I at first I did uh do a lot of bantering. I thought it was me. I was just figuring out because like most podcasters I I enjoy do with banter. So as I was doing banter, and I was like, then it was interesting at first. Then later on, it got I was like, I don't have somebody to throw it with. It's just sometimes the guests can banter, bro. Yeah, and I'm like, okay, so this format is not working for me, and it's not interesting anymore, it's not spiking. And it can't be the whole thing, yeah. And I was like, okay, so what do I do? So I I I thought of an idea of doing a single guest. Because I always thought when I started the part, I used to do single guest. And I stopped, I thought, okay, two guests is way cooler. And then two guests, you one guest feels left out because because one might have an interesting life compared to the other. So juggling, unless they're like a duel, that's great. Yeah, but if they're not a duel, it's just different people, different personalities. It's just hard to navigate that. And I I used to like try to navigate it and think it's cool, but you end up being shallow with the conversation. It's like you're wasting two hours of people's time. I always take it crucial when it comes to um making a podcast because mind you, I'm I'm my audience is sitting down for an hour or two just watching me talk and have a conversation. So I have to make the time worth it.
SPEAKER_02And I like what you said earlier about it not being an interview, but more of a conversation. Of a conversation, yeah. It doesn't feel like because I can't remember who it was we had on our show, and they're like, Man, I thought I was coming here to be asked who's your next collaboration, when is your album dropping? Yeah, yeah, yeah. The same old, same old revised TV questions, radio questions.
SPEAKER_03And and the thing is, it's so the culture back home is just in it when it comes to media, it's so intoxicated to the point where you realize people get scared to go to interviews, yeah. Because it's meant to be like, oh, rumors, oh, who you da da da. It's stuff that clickbaits. Yeah, they focus on clickbaits. I'm not saying every media does that, I'm saying most of it is focused on that, uh, gossip, yeah, which is kind of you you're not maximizing the potential of that chat of that platform, to my opinion, right? Yeah, I'm not calling them shallow or it's just a take I have. And the thing is, so I had to for me to now to break that narrative, I have to meet every guest now. I have to meet every guest just to tell them that I don't do that, just to prove myself that oh, I'm on a different level. Yeah, this is my perspective of this whole thing. So, and after starting to do that, still didn't really make the impact I wanted. Yeah, guests would still be on their guard, but when they sit down 30 minutes in and they're like, Wow. I feel like I'm just chatting with my home. Yes, and I had I had a guest one time, and she was like, I only have one hour, Sean. I only have one hour here. Sorry, I just make sure this is one hour, you know. People have been in the game for a long time. I was like, okay, I expect that. We sat there three hours. Damn. And I was like, oh, it's over? Come on, is it number? And like, yeah, you we will it's because she was so worried about that, you know. She was, and I understand it's because that's how she was brought up to it. You know, the media was so intoxicated like that, and people don't want to change. And yeah, and I'm just like, okay, then I don't I don't need people to change, I just need to be the change, you know.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, and it's always so validating when when someone you you can notice they came into the port guarded, yeah, even wearing a hoodie, they're just silent. Coffee, please. Yeah, and then at the end of the episode, they're high-fiving that taking it. Yeah, exactly.
SPEAKER_03And wow, and the thing is, that's the beauty of podcasting, man. I I never want to call this interviews, never, never, it's it's just shallow to me. Interviews like direct questions. Your must, what's your name? Where did you grow up?
SPEAKER_02What do you do for a living? It's just what are you planning for max time?
SPEAKER_03You know, it's just shallow stuff for me. Yeah, but for me, uh it's more like I want to like get to know most because I'm curious. Like, whenever I invite somebody, I'm actually curious to know them. Like, it's not like I'm trying to must famous now. Sit down with the giving me get amused. No, I'm actually curious to know you, Moss. And the thing is, everybody I have on the show is low key, my friend. That's fire. Yeah, because like it's either we're more closer after the episode, or we I I build that relationship after taking them uh to like dinner, like a little hangouts. Okay. When I said that I meet people then, when I said earlier I meet people before the shoot, that's what I do. I meet people months before the shoot, two weeks before the shoot. I just meet them, hang out with them, you know, get to know them a little bit if they have the time. Yeah, and or maybe we meet at a party and like we vibe, like, oh yeah, I'd love to have a conversation with you.
SPEAKER_02Oh, yeah, yeah. Yeah, for real. That's the blessing. It's like when you start working somewhere and then your colleague becomes your actual friend. Yeah. Because even like with Mariah and Chuxi, we have like a deep personal friendship on individual levels and as a trio, and even with the crew members, yeah, like someone would call you at their lowest, at their highest, someone would be like, Hey, I did this thing, it's amazing. Or like, I need two G's to sort something out. And it's just like you're not looking at it as a friend from work needs money, it's like, oh, my boy is in. Yeah, you know, like someone would be like, sorry guys, I'm late to studio. Um, ABCD has happened, I won't be able to make it today. And you generally FaceTime them and check up on them and be like, let us know what you need. We got you.
SPEAKER_03I even told Jackson this that the team you've built, bro, the team that you've assembled, bro. You guys have made this whole family, bro. It's not just like a team anymore. You guys actually spend time with each other, take trips together. You build this bond that actually makes people mess with the platform and want to fight for it, you know, to keep it going. And you'd go to war for each other.
SPEAKER_02Someone is someone is against it. Jesus said Mariah ABCD. What? I can't fight, but I'll I'll shout.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, but I feel like team building a proper team in anything you do, bro. Entrepreneurship, podcasting, whatever you do, a team is what's gonna keep you going.
SPEAKER_01Yeah.
SPEAKER_02And it has to be very intentional. It can't be something you're doing at it just because it needs to be done. Yeah, you know, this memory card needs to be formatted for you to record. Yeah, that's uh one plus two is three. That one just has to be intentional. Yeah, if we can't format, what do we do? You know, yeah, yeah. It's it's beautiful to watch unfold.
SPEAKER_03Uh I remember when it came to uh the live shows you guys have been doing. Like my told me her her experience with the first with the little with the 30 people who came 50, yeah, and then with the on stage. I wanted to know at that moment we walked on the big stage, right? How were you what what was the feeling going inside you, right? What were the feelings going inside you?
SPEAKER_02First of all, keep in mind shy timid most was shyer and more timid. Oh and then I remember the beauty, the beauty about that show, it we didn't have a poster, a lineup, or anything. We just said, here's the link, first 30 people to sign up, we send you ticket links. It was not like at if we are doing this, come. It was episode 30. And then you know there's this thing Chucky has, he sells you ideas like the the small small things. Like, yeah, I I think we should shoot in New York in June. Um, you're like, New York? Like he'll say it so casually. Casually, like I'm like, okay, New York, is there a New York in Westy, like even in your saying, let's have 30 people over, yeah, for episode 30. Yeah, let's send them ticket links. When you claim interest, we send your link, and then you rock up, and then people actually rocked up, and then yeah, I'm just holding the mic there. I'm like, yo. Um, I've worked in production for like maybe 12-13 years now, but I've been on the other side of the camera. Okay, so um, for Mariah and uh Chuckseed, they're more front facing, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure. So me, I've always just been that shy guy. Yeah, even I was watching like one of our live recordings when I was stepping up on stage, I'm just like, God, this is so bad. And then sometimes you're just talking, and then someone in the crowd is like, Yes, you lose your train of thoughts.
SPEAKER_03I I like the hangouts you guys do. Honestly, it's a good idea.
SPEAKER_02They're they're so intimate, they're so personal. They they every time I've gone home after a hangout, I literally can't sleep because you just keep getting flashbacks of memories, and this person has to herself if this person came and told you their whole life story. This person just came crying and just doing this and just hugging and saying thank you and then went away. This other person did this, this other person did this, and even the moments before, you just remember like oh, I was going into the bathroom, and then I saw Mariah was doing her makeup, and then when I was done peeing, she was looking into the mirror, just breathing and doing, What's up? Like, it's just those tiny, tiny moments.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, they they tend to like be like like experience what you guys are experiencing a little bit, you know.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, and then keeping in mind, like I remember like one of our hangouts, one of the suppliers who was supposed to bring, I think, some speakers and whatever is they messed us up and we were supposed to go on stage, and it was so tense backstage. Because already me, I was already jittering and everything. I'm just looking at the clock, I'm like, okay, 40 more minutes. And then Jackson knows if Moss knows that we don't have speakers, it's gonna be another crazy thing. So even seeing how he can maintain the composure, he can be in between phone calls, he can be in between this. This person, or even maybe two people might not see eye to eye on one thing, but decisions have to be made. Yeah, and then all of it coming together, and then when we're on stage and we're just confetti moments.
SPEAKER_03Damn.
SPEAKER_02Yeah.
SPEAKER_03What do you like about checkmates?
SPEAKER_02Oh man. First of all, they they've made me understand the human experience more than I thought was there to understand. Like, how someone can be open with you, how someone can tell me, Mosu no, you're my friend. You know, I I hang out with you in my house twice a week. Like, I know you don't know what I mean, but I come home from work and I put on the episode and I'm eating my spaghetti, and you're talking about your life, and I'm like, Me too. And then on Sunday, I'm like, over there, we are Mike Checker. I invent I invite my friends, we watch an episode together.
SPEAKER_03Wow, and then it's a whole discussion.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, yeah, and then beautiful. The the the guys who bring deliveries to the house, maybe you're at a supermarket, you're buying something, and then you're at the teal, and then you're like, You've just paid. And I'm the person's like, Thank you, Mars. I'm like, okay. I remember I was going to see my dad over for Easter, and I was driving, I was with my two brothers, and then there was some traffic, and my windows were low because we don't have AC, I'm sure you can relate. Yeah. Wow.
SPEAKER_01Okay.
SPEAKER_02So I had to bring up my windows up because every place I'm just concentrating on the traffic, and I'm like, Mac check, back check, mic check. It's nice. It's warm. It's heartbreaking at times because people generally tell you very sad stories. And these are people you don't know. Telling you about loss, grief, how they're at the edge, how they just got kicked out of their house, how their partner was shooting on them, how their child is in hospital. And you know, at some point where you can help, you help. Where you can't, you just offer maybe words of affirmation, or maybe just give them a call and be like, your things are gonna be okay. It's it's it's it's just widened my scope of the human experience. Yeah. And an earlier moss would have looked at it as this these are just people who have problems. Okay, but now it's these are just people who are going through life, and you're sort of a release for them in a way that you'd never understand. Okay. And like I said, it's scary, but it's oddly fulfilling. Do you enjoy being popular? I don't. Why?
unknownI don't.
SPEAKER_02Sometimes I'm always thinking about going to the supermarket, then I just call my good dagger. I'm like, bring me A B C D.
SPEAKER_03I just remembered the incident. We did we even did the trend when with Bienn and everybody. Yeah. You when Tefari was holding your hand through the crowd. Yeah, man. What was actually going there? What was going on?
SPEAKER_02I was I'd suffered a panic attack because I was on the other side of the what do you call it? So we did the this the the way the stage was set up, um, where we were recording the episode was in um Matatu. Yeah. So I told Chucksi, I just want to stay here because I didn't want to cut through a crowd of do you how many thousand people to go to where guys were and take selfies. And then so Chucksi texts me and is like, yo, well, we need to be on stage, we need to introduce the main act for the ninja, like sour coming. So then I asked um the guys, I just opened the Matatu like this. I just saw like 5,000 people between where I am and where I need to be. And there's no road. So I just and even me closing, there are guys banging. Mas, mas I called uh Jackson. I'm like, I don't know what I need to get out of this thing. I can I drive this car there, like I can. So we were trying to organize security, but also time was running out. So Tafari was around, he said, Mo has come. So he just grabbed my hand, and then so I'm just walking through a crowd of people who are pulling shots, who are pulling your hair, shouting your name. And I'm like, guys, I just need to get to the stage, get the stage. So you panicked, yeah. Whoa. So he was crazy. So we go to stage, and then you say coming up next, and then we shook at the stage, and now I went to sit in the designated area where Kina Um Mariah and Jackson were. But even there, you're trying to ignore people, and I'm not a big sunglasses guy, may I like to see? So I'm just trying to enjoy the performance, and then there's someone screaming your name here, screaming your name there. You just have to focus look forward. I don't even know the lyrics. I'm like, please sing the one, I know the lyrics. Damn, yeah, it was crazy. Like, I realized like I'm I'm not a big crowd person, yeah, but I'm learning poly polo from 30 to now, whatever is the numbers we are at.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, damn, being popular could be something, you know.
SPEAKER_02It's crazy. Yeah, even now, my neighbors know me. I'm at the elevator lobby. Yeah, like you're the guy. Like, which guy? Which guy? Which guy are you talking about? Yeah, it's it's nice when people are not intrusive. Yeah. But I enjoy it. You feel a lot of pressure at the beginning, but then you sit with it and you're like, okay. You know, okay.
SPEAKER_03What what do you think you resonate more when it comes to at least being popular? What's something that you you're popular already? So what what is something out of that that you resonate with?
SPEAKER_02Because uh my initial popularity was just a Twitter handle that was hilarious and popular. Okay. Didn't have a face to it. This new wave of popularity is popularity a word?
SPEAKER_03I mean, yeah.
SPEAKER_02Yeah. Has my face, has my image, has my dressing. Like if you've seen 10 episodes, you know this is how it looks, this is how it dresses. You really may say this is how build his hair. So I think it's just I I'm trying a lot to be uh reserved. If I can avoid going to a place to pick up something, I'll send someone. Like if let's say the supermarket runs, or I need to pick up a package. Or nowadays I tell the security guy um there's a package that's coming, it's gonna be dropped off at the gate, then you'll bring it to my house. Because I realized sometimes this this one time I was uh at my house with my bro, and then we ordered some lunch. And then this guy brought the lunch. Then as I'm opening the dot collect, he's like, Oh, you're that guy, you're that guy. And I'm like, hey, he's like, let's take a selfie. So we took a selfie and everything. And then I realized when he was taking the selfie, my house number is printed. So I told him, delete that one, let's go take our selfie over there. But I wasn't even sure if he deleted it. And then I did another order for a delivery a few days later. It was the same guy. He was like, Nelly John, I could joke. I know I'm coming here today, so I dressed up nicely, Cinny. And then one day we were chilling in the house. Me and my brother, I think we're just watching a movie. And then we just hear the doorbell ding dong. So I look at my brother, I'm like, did you order something? Are you expecting someone? Like, no. You? No. Who's there? And then I asked him, I'm it's that weird guy. So I started thinking security-wise, I'm I just I I I don't like being disturbed, especially especially when it's not my best day. You know, sometimes you can just be having a bad day. It's like your two girlfriends calling you today, they're both pregnant with twins, and you're on your last five Bob Tanzanian shillings, and you're downstairs, yeah, and someone's like, Sean! No no, no, no, no. Now you're trending, hey. Sean appears to be rude towards fans. You're like, guys, I'm expecting fortune. It's like that's why, even for like the celebrities I really, really like, yeah, there's ways that approach them in a way that would be very respectful. Yeah, you just because I'm sure this the starlight is a crazy thing, but you don't know what this guy is going through. Diamond might be having his worst day. Yeah, you want to tell him that's due to say happy birthday to your mom? Yeah, I see what you're saying though. Yeah, but I'm adjusting to it. I can't even remember what the question or so. I'm resonating to adjusting it.
SPEAKER_01Okay, it's okay.
SPEAKER_02There's no formula, there's no clear-cut way.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, yeah. When did you realize Mag check was it? Like, this is now this is it. Oh my god.
SPEAKER_02I think um on on a personal level was just the the popularity, like I could not walk anywhere and not like be like I would walk into a club with my friends, and then we are elevated to like another section like that's VIP. Like, yo, you're the guy from here. And then then random phone calls from you know, people who work in brands and advertising and they're like, We want to meet you guys and stuff like that. But also just uh there's a day I was bored, I just started reading comments and then I just realized the positivity in the comments 'cause The negative comments will always trend because Okay, because jackasses will always be jackasses. But then you find someone in the comments is literally like pouring their heart out. And then there's not one, not two, not three, not this episode, not that episode. And then just realizing that um what was it? There's a day we were recording in studio, I think the cameras were formatting or something. We had like a 20-minute interchange, and then our social media manager or resident mic check bully a bear decided we should go live. So it just went live on TikTok. We were just saying nonsense, like, hey, what are you guys up to? Then I realized CG, how many people have joined? They're sending CG roses and CG lions and CG flowers, and they're saying nice things, and then like we should actually do this. And then I think it's Jaxi or Mariah who made a comment. Guys, I think we've actually made enough to buy everyone lunch. Maybe this should be our lunch budget, is going live every recording.
SPEAKER_03No, it's not a bad idea. Not a bad idea. I mean, yeah, yeah. I just remembered I even uh I I brought it up with uh Mariah. Complex. Oh wow, you guys were on complex. Was it done at the railway? Which one done at the you was a guy talking about the collab with um I forgot. Was it I forgot the guy was talking about a collab with somebody?
SPEAKER_02Oh wait, you know me. I'm thinking about complex the event, complex the pod.
SPEAKER_03You know, yeah, when you guys posted got posted on complex.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, how did you feel about that? I remember Chaxi just that that message I'll never forget. I'll show you. Yeah, he said, This is where the pod should be in English.
SPEAKER_03Yo, he told me that. He told me that was a common, and we didn't want to change this podcast to the English pod.
SPEAKER_02Because we can go global like this, yeah, and it's not wrong, yeah. It's not wrong, but it's also I'm I'm not defending it not being in English, yeah. But when it's just the three of us, it's an easier control environment. Yeah, but when it's a guest who genuinely speaks fahili, like yeah, uh, I don't want Damon to be there like I'm 31st five times in a row, like just tell us your genuine story. I'm looking for the haters, uh but yeah, it's sometimes even the guest is more comfortable speaking in their language, yeah, yeah, yeah. Because you also don't want them to be uh because you know, people there's there's a preferred language where you go, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, so you you you don't want to tell them all speak English now, and then they're like I started music in Kenya and I am a musician in Kenya. So when you can control it, we control it. I remember something violent, but like Violet, Violet. Then you guys owe us an apology as Kenya specifically, and yeah.
SPEAKER_03I mean, even with me, right? Uh, since I use English a lot, uh in Tanzania's kind of you don't say since I use English a lot, carry on. Yo, bring it up. The first time, man. I walked in the studio and I was just like blogging like, yo, this is the man check studio dog. He started trolling me directly right then he just met me, man.
SPEAKER_02It's crazy because Chakchia told me there's some Tanzanians coming around. So maybe I'm expecting the varieties, then the violet, the violet shows up. It's like you tell me that Ugandans coming over today, and then happy people who are free and have free speech come in here. I'm like, Are you really from Uganda?
SPEAKER_03Yeah, man, it's just like the way I just like samar myself with things, you know, how I grew up, you know, the things I consume a lot. Yeah, it's just like they just nature and how I talk. Yeah, so now in Tanzania, it's really, really odd, bro. You you just don't understand how much people think I'm an anomaly for speaking like this. And the thing is, it's not just me, there's a lot of diaspora people who speak just like me. But just because I'm on the spotlight, yeah, it seems so odd.
SPEAKER_02It's that's what I was telling Mara the other day, it's it's okay to be wrong sometimes, but being loud and wrong, like you know, if I don't understand something, let me think about it in my head. You know, like there are a lot of things I don't understand in this world. Yeah, if I showed up here and you are in a bikini, I wouldn't say something outright, I'd just be like, yo, is it's that kind of shit.
SPEAKER_04But I wouldn't be like over there, like on Instagram, like yo, too face nigga.
SPEAKER_03But yeah, but saying is like then people think, oh, Sean's podcast is only like people who speak English, you know. But I've had guests in the podcast switch up to Swan, hey they code switch, you know. It's just like sometimes when people are really passionate about something, yeah, they can't just help it to not use their mother tongue.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, and then how um the conversation for it to be as raw as it can be, yeah, they need to speak like that. Like we have like some Kenyan celebrities who um who come to the pod. Maybe some of them are rappers and they speak deep shang and they come from those areas. Now, if you tell him to speak in English, uh of course you're doing it for the right reasons, but the the show won't be authentic. Because even their fans who are watching, they'll struggle to connect, they'll be like, hey, what is these guys? We don't know you like this, you know. Yeah, yeah. So we just try to make the guest as comfortable as possible.
SPEAKER_03But I feel but I feel like even when I I just try to look at mic check from our viewing point of view, it's more focused than for like Africans.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, that's because we can't we yeah. We have we had uh a fan from Romania. Was it Romania? Oh no, it's someone who was saying they had someone from Romania buying stuff from them from Kenya. Um but also like a lot of the love we get from outside the continent is mostly Kenyans in the house. It's mostly someone, hey guys, I watch you from place X, Y, Z. You guys make my days, make me this home, blah blah blah. But yeah, we're getting there.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, I mean, global recognition is always good, like to move forward. But I feel like never compromise authenticity just for the sake of global, yeah. You know, I feel like us being real the way we are, it's just it is what it is, you know.
SPEAKER_02I mean like I'm sure uh a Tanzanian would enjoy a podcast where Diamond is speaking in Swahili, yeah, more than one where he's like he's using English, yeah.
SPEAKER_03I'm pretty sure, maybe, I don't know.
SPEAKER_02Maybe for some of us who are outside Tanzania, we'd watch the English one because we'd be like, we'd get maybe to understand the nuances more. Yeah, but the greater community in Tanzania would be like the ones.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, even when I started podcasting, people like, why are you using English? You're from Tanzania, use Swahili, why are you not? I'm like, guys, expect Tanzania to be your main audience, okay, your only audience. Yeah, I don't know why they saw that. The thing is, guys, you you're forgetting that this is me. I'm not trying to put up a fraud. This is how I talk. I can't try to force myself to use Swahili and uh sound dumb.
SPEAKER_02And as much as you're from Tanzania, you're not representing Tanzania. Okay, you're you're you're you're rapping Tanzania, but you're not like the Tanzanian representative of podcasts.
SPEAKER_03Yes, exactly. I'm just like limited where Tanzania is yeah, Tanzania is where I'm from, and I'm proud of that. But it's just like yo, when you see me, it's like, oh, yeah, and it's just like I'm from Tanzania, that's my home, I'm proud of that culture. I'm Tukuma. I uh I speak Swahili, but I'm not really fluent in like that. And I Sukuma is like a tribe. It's a tribe, yeah. And uh, it's not like I'm not fluent in Swahili, it's just like my Swahili is just different because I don't use it as much. Yeah. You know, and the thing about languages, if you don't use it as much, it just sounds odd when you use it. And people online are used to me using English. So when I speak Swahili to them, it's like, hey, who could you not be better?
SPEAKER_02And in Nairobi, there's a lot of classism that goes around it. Yeah. And when you're a teen, you can easily fall into either side. Maybe you just want to speak English with your homies, but then you get clowned or you're from the richer parts of Nairobi.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, people think I'm rich, but I I came from I I I come from humble beginnings. I'm not saying I I wasn't like fed or something like that. I had good education, thank God for that. And it just happened that school didn't teach me this.
SPEAKER_02Yeah. Because I remember in high school, we used to speak English with my buddies, and then guys would clown you like, oh, you guys think English, and then now you get into campus and now you have to present your thesis.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, matter of fact, I used to be bullied back in school speaking English. Damn. Yeah, so I didn't I avoided, I avoided English completely in school. So I used to even get speak English card and you get a punishment. If you get a card, you get uh you gotta speak English. And I used to speak a lot of Swahili, bro. So the thing is, when I started the part, people like, wait, aren't you the nigga who speaks uh Swahili in school?
SPEAKER_02What are you trying to put up front? But see, also people forget you you also have your nugget of five friends who you can be yourself with. Exactly. You get bullied in front of 40 people, and then you're chilling with your five homies for two hours. You speak in whatever language you want, yeah, and you you learn a new word. Me, that's actually it's a love language for me. If I learn a new word from someone, yeah, it makes me like you you're in my books, like you remember, yeah. Yeah, I remember. Let me tell you a funny story. Yeah, so when I was growing up, we were taught um English by a teacher called Mr. Matenge. So, Mr. Mathenge, I used to have this thing where so because I'm a writer at heart, so my compositions were buzzing. And I used to have this thing where I'm like, before I write every new composition, I'd go through the dictionary and learn maybe one or two, three words, yeah, and then um I'll include them somewhere in the story. Yeah, okay. So one day I've written a nice composition and I've included this nice word, and then Mr. Maddenge is coming back reading, is like, hey, mongi, always good stuff, good stuff. I saw the word used half hazard. Good.
SPEAKER_03Half hazard.
SPEAKER_02And then see, that stuck in my mind. Yeah. Fast forward, I'm in a corporate meeting in my twenties, and I'm trying to explain to guys, yeah, we need a really controlled strategic direction so that the campaign doesn't go half hazard.
SPEAKER_03Oh!
SPEAKER_02And then like, okay, okay, big words, big words, moss. And my friend was like, that the friend who introduced me to the guy is like, this is the guy. She that word haphazard. And then I said half hazard like three times, and then when you took a break, she's like, Moss, do you mean haphazard? And then my first name is Steven. I'm like, yo, I know how the P's and the H's work. Oh, you your first name is Steve? Steven. With a P and a H. I'm like, I know my P's and H's. Your name is Steven? Steven, yeah. I don't use it a lot though. Why I just don't like it. But I also like don't want to lose it because I was named after my grandfather. So Moas is your last name? Moass is a nickname for from Mwangi. What's Mongi? Monge is like that's what I'm called Steven Mwange. Steven Mwangi. So Moass is a short form. Moass doesn't appear anywhere on my legal documents.
SPEAKER_03Oh. Yeah. I want to say your name is Moass.
SPEAKER_02I wanted to change it and then Chaki told me about the process of changing. I was like, yeah, I'm not that patient.
SPEAKER_03It's not it's not that serious, yeah.
SPEAKER_02So all my legal documents read Steven Monge. Have you ever said something on the party lucky regret? I wouldn't say so. Yeah. I wouldn't say regret, but maybe sometimes um I'd say maybe I shouldn't have asked that. Okay. Yeah, because I remember even on some episode I asked someone about their relationship status as banter, but they they were kind of reserved about it. You could tell they're uncomfortable discussing it. I mean, so we had to cut out some parts of it. Normally we don't cut out, yeah. Yeah. So yeah, so I I wouldn't say I've said anything regrettable.
SPEAKER_03Okay. Uh speaking of relationships now, did you do you feel like your career or your personal life uh made you lose like a good one? Or like miss a shot? Yeah.
SPEAKER_02Yes and no. Okay. Yeah, let me leave it at that. The more I go into detail, the more it's gonna get crazier. Yeah.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, it's okay though. Do you like have a habit of like clearing your name? Like, yeah, guys, that's or you just like if you fuck with me, you fuck with me.
SPEAKER_02Nowadays, I think over the last maybe five, seven years, I I I don't think about it a lot. Because I know it's not that bad. It's maybe I said something that maybe you found maybe displeasing but not offensive or vile. It's not something that I'd have to put out a statement for. I'd be like, so I know I said something about the Jews. No, it's not that crazy.
SPEAKER_03What is something that people mostly complain about you? And it's actually true.
SPEAKER_02Initially it was the timekeeping.
SPEAKER_03Timekeeping.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, but nowadays I keep time chucky can attest to that.
SPEAKER_03Yeah.
SPEAKER_02Yeah. Um and and just the I think the freestyling of everything. So sometimes it doesn't come together as much, but I think I finished it now. Okay. Yeah, because I w I'm not like the standard planned person. Yeah. Crazy. My my planning cannot appear. Like I can show you my notebook. Yeah. There are lines drawn for a reason, but I write horizontally, I write diagonally, I draw a sketch. I mean, it's your number. I it's more doodles than letters anyway. Yeah, and and they work for me because I I see it and I understand it. Yeah. But like if if you ask me, like, what are we doing today? I'll be like, yeah. What is this, Mass? It's a drawing of two buildings. Yeah, that's the number two. So 2 p.m. we are, you know.
SPEAKER_01Yeah.
SPEAKER_02Yeah. So I'm I'm a visual thinker and that's how it applies to a lot of things. I want to know what's the best decision you've ever made in your life. The best decision I've ever made is to not leave the room without asking that one question that's been burning in your mind. Especially within negotiations.
SPEAKER_01Okay.
SPEAKER_02I'll give you an example. There's a time I was applying for this job and um they reached out to me and I asked them like what the salary I was let's say I was aiming for like 200k. And then I asked them what's the budget for the role and they said 120K. And I remember like in my mind just thinking, oh, this one works, blah blah blah. But then I'm already here and everything. So we have some discussion about my work and everything. And then just before I left there, I had they asked me, Do you have any questions for me for us? I was like, Yeah. I was like, so if you guys can't make 200 for five days a week, I'll take the 120 for three days a week. And they had me. So that's when I I just stopped being afraid. When I bought my first car, I I was left with thanks to my name and account. Like I didn't even have fuel to bring the car home. But it's been like the happiest decision I've ever made.
SPEAKER_03You rested it all, basically.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, I bought my car, not on impulse, but I wasn't paying a lot of bills at home, so my money kept accumulating. So you know how one day you can go to the ATM to withdraw some tunes and then they send you a receipt with your balance, and you're like, why does this look like a phone number? And I'm like, This is my balance. I was like, cars online. Oh, it was it was that quick. It was that quick. It was like within two weeks I'd bought the car, and then I remember like I had just enough to service it and have a full tank on it for like the rest of the month.
SPEAKER_03What kind of environment shaped your like mindset?
SPEAKER_02I'd say campus. Campus, yeah, back in school. Uh yeah, back back in my undergrad. Okay, undergrad. Yeah. So I I used to live with my cousin, Dad, and my best friend Simon. Okay. May he saw rest in peace. Oh, yeah. Um, so it just shaped my perspective on different things within life, like financially, okay, friendship-wise, romantically, risk-wise. Yeah. Like, I remember my my friend Simon was a geek, geek, geek. Like, have you ever seen a smart person? You're like, you don't need to be here, you need to be employed. Yeah, yeah. Because he used to like have a schedule on how he studies. He used to like take notes of notes he's taken. Like, I'm not even kidding. Like, I'm not even kidding. He used to have this six choir book. So he's taken notes in class. I haven't heard that name in a long time.
SPEAKER_03Six choir?
SPEAKER_02Yeah.
SPEAKER_03Oh my god. The big black.
SPEAKER_02You know that one? Yeah, bro. I'm telling you, oh, choir books, bro. So he used to divide it into strips, like three strips per page. And then now he makes summaries of notes. And then so he says, within the first two months of the semester, I take the notes. The second, the third uh month, I revise these notes into these strips. And then now these strips I study them just before the exam because they're easier to take in. Like he used to be so I don't know if I can say this on the pod. There's a time. A friend of ours got nipple piercings. Okay. Let me just start there. Keep going. Go on. And we used to have this nice little three-bedroom apartment where he used to live me and my um uh my my two people. Let me not charger them. And then all my friend was so excited, she just came into the house, we were watching a movie, she's like, Look! And all of us are like, Wow, this is crazy. And so we called our friend, you're like, Yo, come see this. He's like, Not right now, I'm studying. So he went to his room, like, no, you need to see this. He banged the donors, and that nigga got an A.
SPEAKER_03Absolutely, of course.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, so it was just the the I think campus was my opening eye to a lot of the things life-wise. Okay. Financially, romantically, friendship-wise, grief, all the in-between.
SPEAKER_03Speaking of romance, do you believe in love, Moss? Yeah, I do. What does love look like to you?
SPEAKER_02Love looks like I need to be stupid in a way I can't trigger it. Beautiful. Everything I've I've the most nonsense I've done in my life has been because of because of love. And not just at the financial reasoning or whatever. Like, you know, those questions that is you would you let your ex move in with you? Would you CG do this? Would you drop a girl this way and you're going this way? Those things. Yeah. Because I remember my one of my best dates was outside a club anywhere. We found the club was parked. So we sat at the parking lot and talked for six hours.
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SPEAKER_03That sounds like amazing.
SPEAKER_02As we played the music that we wanted to play.
SPEAKER_03Whoa.
SPEAKER_02Yeah.
SPEAKER_03You're quick on your feet, bro.
SPEAKER_02I mean, I was broke. I had to be creative.
SPEAKER_03Hey, hey! What are you doing? Wait, okay. I mean, I see what you're saying.
SPEAKER_02When you don't have the funds, you gotta be creative, man. Yeah. You have to be. It was like we like.
SPEAKER_03How old were you when you did that?
SPEAKER_02I was maybe 20, 24. Oh, you were like, it was like the first letter of every song was spelling out, Will You Be Mine? Damn, you're romantic, dog. I sent her I sent her the playlist and then she didn't get it until we met. And then I said there's a puzzle in this playlist, and you need to figure it out.
SPEAKER_03Damn.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, man. You make it okay.
SPEAKER_00Hey, you will get you. Try again. Yeah, okay.
SPEAKER_02You mentioned you were in Tanzania. What were you doing? Uh it was mostly work. Work. I was I was writing a campaign for an airline and I had to go like experience the service. I think it was but that was a long time ago. Is it was it Air Tanzania? Is it Air Tanzania thing? Yeah, yeah. Okay. So they had me over for like a few days to just see like what the boarding process is, take a few flights and then sit down and see what a Kenyan experience of a Tanzanian airline would look like. And then come back and write a story about it.
SPEAKER_03Okay. Yeah. I want to play a game with you. Let's go. Uh so basically I call this segment uh your my TZ side. But we're gonna do a Kenyan version of it. And I mean, just to give it a twist. Okay. So I'm gonna give you a statement and you tell me just answer it. You just basically answer it. Off the top. Yeah, off the top. Okay. What's one thing Kenyans do that would not survive in TZ? Rowdiness.
SPEAKER_02Rowdiness. Elaborate. I think Kenyans are just rowdy. Kenyans are like the Nigerian versions, like how we see Nigerians are how you see Kenyans. The Kenyans are not patient on the road, they are loud, they are. It's just Kenyans are a lot sometimes. Like I get embarrassed when I go to reserved countries, and you can just say that's a Kenyan.
SPEAKER_03Like, yeah. Yeah, okay, okay. Um, what's your go-to Shang phrase you can teach me to take back home in TZ?
SPEAKER_01Hmm.
SPEAKER_02I feel like I not mafrm banya. Let let's keep that one. Mafrung banya is mafrum. Sorry? Mafrm banya.
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SPEAKER_02And then the the size of the ass is determined by the number of Rs you'll put.
SPEAKER_03Oh okay, okay, do like a Louis fan ass.
SPEAKER_02So mafrr banya.
SPEAKER_03Okay, do like a like a sting, you know.
SPEAKER_02Mafrany. Actually take that home. Based on that comment, the other is silent. Like this baby whistles. Both sides of my ruby. The nicer ones and the not so nicer ones. And Shang is just a beautiful language. Yeah. Nowadays I don't understand it myself because they keep flipping everything over. Yeah. Like a cigarette used to be feggy. Now it's gifted. If something was Magi, magi is called now what? Waba. Waba. So someone would be like Baba. Hey. So it's getting complicated. I don't need to.
SPEAKER_03Now it's evolving into its own language.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, everything is flipped over, and then there used to be a part where you flip it over, split it in the middle, and then add another word.
SPEAKER_03Then it comes a new word, which is actually crazy.
SPEAKER_02A watch would be called mbota. So someone would call it Tambo. But then you put mbo mm bo mbotata. Like I'm just can we speak?
SPEAKER_03Back home, uh some of my homeboys uh call it Vidonda.
SPEAKER_02Vidonda. Tanzanians, you need to step your game up.
SPEAKER_03It's a good it's a cool name.
SPEAKER_02I mean, if you say so. Have you ever introduced a girl to your homies and this is my girl? As long as you're happy.
SPEAKER_03Okay, okay. Um what one Kenyan haggard you think TZ would judge immediately?
SPEAKER_02That's a good one. Um I feel like all of them I'm thinking about are revolv are revolving within the club scene. But I would say um I've heard stories about Kenyan men and how they treat women and how they play games, like these are not even games. And I feel like Kenyan men can be a bit more promiscuous, like to a level where you guys would judge us. Like you would be in elevator A, like buy honey, hi babe, in elevator B. Damn. Like I've seen that, like I told you when I used to be in the elevator. I used to witness some shit and I'm just like, damn. Don't let her know the house number, she's gonna burn my house now.
SPEAKER_03Damn.
SPEAKER_02Yeah. Okay. Um is it true? Are you guys more relaxed on the promiscuity? I feel like you guys would find one babe and treat them nicely.
SPEAKER_03Um, I beg to differ. Oh wow. It I feel like it's always the grass is not green on the other side, brother.
SPEAKER_02Bro, you guys are playing the cheating game on silent tomorrow.
SPEAKER_03Uh it's just like it's just like there's specific type of guys or people, or women or men, that are not gonna change. Yeah, yeah, you know what I mean? But there are some good people out there. Like cheating today, it's a global infidelity, it's a global thing. Now it's just like nowhere you can go right now where they stay not a big thing.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, and you know, like growing up, it used to look cool. I'm 21. I see someone with two babes in a club, one is their girlfriend, one is their side, they don't know about each other. I'm like, oof, you're leaving. You're 25, you're like, ah, you're on a road trip with the babe who was not on the other road trip last week. Yeah, and then you're like, what happened? Are you still together? Yeah, does she know you're here? No, she knows I'm CG, yeah. Then you get to your 30s, you're like, Wow, you're paying rent for another babe, and your girlfriend is being evicted. Ah, shit. It's just Yeah.
SPEAKER_03I d do you feel like you you've cheated before? Have you ever cheated before? I have gotten close to cheating once.
SPEAKER_01Uh-huh.
SPEAKER_02What happened what was going on in your head as you were doing it? I was uh we'd had a really bad argument with my then partner. And she said something to the tune of like, this is over, I don't know where we're going anymore, I don't want to see you anymore. And then I sat down and I wrote her a text about I want to work things out. If we can give this a chance, let's do it. And then I think she replied to the tune of let's talk tomorrow. And then I was out at the club and then I remember getting into a cab going home, and then there was this baby was just coming. Me thought she was taking me to the cab. So when she opened when I opened the cab door, she got in. I was like, Oh, this is yours. She was like, No, this is ours, babe. Damn, okay, we moved different out here, huh? Yeah, and then the Hennessy told me this is ours, baby. So I got into the cab, but I just remember like halfway through the journey, I was just like, let me drop you off at your place and then yeah, head out. Damn, decent man right there.
SPEAKER_03Damn, okay. Yeah, I was young and stupid. Wow, do you feel like cheating is something that can cross your mind right now?
SPEAKER_02I honestly don't think so, because I really value like the emotional tags that you you'd have with someone who you're just deeply you think that just financially, emotionally, physically, it's just it's a like I told you, it's a chore. Okay. Because now you have to cover your tracks. It's not I'm not not doing it because it's hard. Yeah, it's just that I think I'm at the age where I'm just I I appreciate human emotions and feelings more than two minutes of happiness.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, I was telling Moss earlier that one of uh one of my homeboys told me about this guy who's avoiding getting caught by texting through emails with the side check. I'm like, what in the actual fuck, bro?
SPEAKER_02I would actually respect that if you used your actual work email and the email sounded official. Please find a touch, and then it's a word doc called D. Like, you know, even if someone is looking through your phone, they skip that. Ah, this is a work email.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, yeah. Like the package landed. We're expecting who when when people check phones, like who would even think of emails, bro? Yeah, so I'm putting you on, ladies and gentlemen. Check the emails now. Okay, last uh last uh question. Let's go for the segment. What's the most cultural shock moment between Kenya and Tanzania?
SPEAKER_02Okay, to be honest, I haven't experienced Tanzania that much to know much, yeah, but I was I was kind of surprised about how polite you guys are. We are polite. Yeah, it's like because I was used to like taking cabs around Nairobi, and this is when cab culture was not even cab culture, it was everyone was just looking for the money. So I think by the time you're entering a cab, your belt is not even on there asking where you're going, how much is it, whatever, whatever. Yeah, so you're already irritated before you even leave your destination. Then I land in Tanzania, and then this guy came out of the car to open the door for me. And I'm like, come on, bro, it's a t attacks you and then so they're just so polite, then they're like, uh, is your belt on? Can you start the journey? And then you get to the hotel, even the guys who carry your luggage, they're just so polite with it, and then they lead you, they give you like some juice, you sit down. In Kenya, it's like the juice you're not entitled to it. That the waiter will be there with it. Yeah. So it's just even the person who's coming to give you the papers to sign for the hotel. Yeah, they even let you have your juice first. You know, like I just arrived. Yeah. So in Kenya, it's like Maliza. Maliza Gwanzairo. Yeah, and then even the person who's and then I think I had a complaint about my room, they changed my room immediately.
SPEAKER_01Oh.
SPEAKER_02It was just something small, maybe a bulb was flickering, and then I just I was like, there's a bulb here that's not uh they told me it will take a minute for it to be changed. So are you okay if we switch rooms? I was like, that happens. Yeah.
SPEAKER_03Yeah. I mean, I I feel like it's you know, we're uh the way we raised back home, you know, it's more so like re being respect uh being respectful, just like ask nicely, like even to cani, like na umba onipe.
SPEAKER_02Eh, you can't woman even your prostitutes were kind. Prostitutes are kind? What do you mean? Like we I didn't experience the full length, but they were like, you know, in Nairobi, it's like you this is the product, tell me your price, we know whether we're proceeding. So Uko iliko, like we're just having fun at the hotel with my friends, and then they'd come and they ask you, Jinarakola Kenya niripi? Like, oh, City Phoenix. Like they would be kind of like, how is you maintain the politeness in this business? Yeah, because in Kenya it's yo, are we are we not?
SPEAKER_03Oh we know it is type thing, but yeah, I feel like it's just how we are, and that's the it's that's that's that's how you know the Tanzania. It's just how generous. Okay, let me not go too far and say generous, it's more so sometimes the politeness is used to put a font. Like somebody bought me a snake, and but hey, Karibo.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, because there's uh uh incident I had at a hotel. I think we were having lunch, yeah, and then I asked for a condiment. Maybe it was ketchup or something that I draw out of our table. But now our waitress was busy, and if the other waitress just saw the situation and grabbed another one from another table of her sema, like I've handled it, like that would never happen. Okay, it would happen, but it's not something you see every day here.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, so yeah, it's it is what it is then. You guys are nice. Yeah, I mean, we are. I can't even deny that. Because I'm I'm basing it on myself because I feel like I'm a very nice person and I tend to respect whoever person I pay for their service. Is tipping a thing down here?
SPEAKER_02Uh yeah, it is. But I I wouldn't say in the nicer establishments, it's more of a thing. Yeah. Um, I see it in two ways, and maybe this might be my personal experience. Yeah, people are kinder to the people they see every day. Like the lady who comes to clean your house. Okay. Um, the maybe place you buy your everyday food, the kibanda and everything. You'd be there like keep changes are Kawaida thing. Like if you're buying something for 80 Bob and you have 100. Yeah, keep changes. Yeah. And then in the nicer establishments, it's more westernized, it's CG percentages and stuff.
SPEAKER_03I'm like, hey, cause.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, like nowadays I'm on I I was shopping online for just groceries. I love who they get delivered, I'm like, how is your experience? Okay, five stars, whatever. That thumbs up emoji. Yeah. And then I saw add tip. And then they've put for me there starting from 15%. Starting from that's a good tip. I I say this, I always I always give as much as I have. I've tipped someone 2,000 bob, I've tipped someone 50 bob. Whatever's there.
SPEAKER_03Hey gang, don't go anywhere just yet. We still got more of the not calling podcasts coming out. I mean I can be excited.
SPEAKER_00Do you do you drink a lot?
SPEAKER_02No, no, no. Not nowadays. I used to. Because I I I sold a lot of alcohol in my twenties. I used to work in advertising and marketing. Uh-huh. So I used to get like a lot of free product.
SPEAKER_05Oh, so I used to used to sell free product.
SPEAKER_02I never used to sell it because I just used to have it on me everywhere. Like guys used to come to my house for a party, and I'm telling them just drink anything but drinks. Oh, yeah.
SPEAKER_03Yeah. Alright, uh guys, we're back from a little short break, you know what I mean? And I'd like to give shoutouts real quick. Shout out to Upside for making this happen for us in Kenya, supporting our Kenyan tour. You know what I mean? If you don't know what AppSide is, it's uh basically a production company as well. Coolest guys in Kenya. Absolutely lovely. What do you mean, man? They just made my whole experience way easier and way faster to do. And I appreciate you guys for making this happen for me. Uh also, if you made it this far, subscribe. Hopefully, you've subscribed. Just uh usually our listeners tend to forget if they subscribe or not. So I'm gonna push that agenda to you guys and make sure you subscribe, support the channel. It's free, you know. I mean, but there's an there's another option to help us to grow our channel, but it's not free, it's Patreon. We just opened our brand new Patreon. Shout out, yeah, yeah, yeah. And basically, in there you're gonna be getting exclusive episodes, uh, exclusive conversation with our guests. Usually, when we have breaks, we talk to them and record it, yeah, and we post it on Patreon. You don't you don't get to see that if you're not a legit no troller, like um like a Patreon of our platform, and also you get early access to episodes. If an episode is dropping next week, you get it this week. You know, you get to see who is in the podcast the following week earlier, you get to see behind the scenes how we prepare our sets, how we go about just making this whole thing happen. And Rocky sometimes gives tips of how to go about the production, right?
SPEAKER_02Of course, yes, yes, but yeah, so yeah, do you guys have an OnlyFans? Wow, you just had to ruin it'cause there's a running joke from Mike Check that we have an OnlyFans that at this point I don't know if it's true or if it's a joke.
SPEAKER_03Uh I need to check. Oh, okay. When you mean OnlyFans, you mean like like account OnlyFans or like Yeah, no, okay, yeah. But OnlyFans initially was created for exclusive information, only fans, but now people are like, oh booty so they switch it up and now it is tainted because there's other footballers like in the in the in the leagues out there that who have only fans. Apparently, they show their private training and da da da. And people like, can you have only fans?
SPEAKER_02But no, it's only fans just means like fans. I remember there's a there's a poet, I think from I can't remember which European country, yeah. Like he has like a hundred and something poems there, and he has like a nice following. And every time he tells people like I have an OnlyFans and I write my poetry and I think for you there, because people subscribe thinking it's like like stuff. And then they just find just a nigga with a notebook saying love.
SPEAKER_03Would you ever be friends with somebody who has OnlyFans? I have friends who have OnlyFans.
SPEAKER_02I hear OnlyFans is a thing down here. Poetry. Nice save! No, but actually, yeah, I there's a time I was dating this babe. Not dating, I was I had a friend, and then she told me about her OnlyFans, and yeah, I hope she's making nice money. Would it was it is that a turnoff for you? No, it's not a turn-off. You know, it's a human experience. I like how open you are to it. Yeah, yeah, it's it's just one of those things, like you can't just fight, it's not a big yes or no. It's yeah, it's I'm open to learning more. It is what it is, that way. If the if the person is good, I feel like hey, it is what it is. Yeah, I'm just here for the person. What she does because it's just it's I find it adult content for me is weird because I just don't see how you would sit down and like just look at someone do things and then put down your phone and make an omelet. You know, like it's it doesn't it doesn't you know what I mean? Yeah, but I'm not against anyone who's like oh yeah, yeah. It's just I I don't have that much keen interest on it to think about it a lot.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, okay, makes sense. So uh we're gonna dive into the last segment of the show. Let's go. And basically, in this segment we have uh a catchphrase as well. A catchphrase, yeah, of the show. No trolling, don't sweat it. Okay, you got it? No sweat it. Yeah, yeah. So basically, when I ask you a question, I'd be like, yo, once what's your body kind? No trolling. You say don't sweat it, seven, basically.
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SPEAKER_02So what does that mean? Just like basically seven is a correct answer, Amazon.
SPEAKER_03No, no, no. It's exact this is an example.
SPEAKER_02Oh, okay, okay. Wow. Oh, so I I have to start all the answers with no don't sweat it, don't sweat it.
SPEAKER_03Don't sweat it. Don't sweat it. Then respond. Okay. So no trolling, you say don't sweat it. Okay, this is my answer. Okay. Yeah. So quick, quick answers. No, no, just just explain it. Okay. You can get into it. Um, what's something you believe that most people your age would disagree with? No trolling.
SPEAKER_02Don't sweat it. Marriage and kids. You don't believe in the traditional setup. Okay. I feel like I'm at the age where I'm attending just as many marriages as I am attending divorces or learning about divorces. And it's because I think it was sold as the dream during our parents' time. And then times have changed. People have changed. So I'm not against anyone who's, you know, getting together or breaking up. But I think for me, I keep saying marriage is not for everyone. Um, I don't think a lot of people think that way.
SPEAKER_03Okay.
SPEAKER_02But they feel that way. Do you feel like marriage is for you? No, it's never been in my life plan.
SPEAKER_05For real?
SPEAKER_02Yeah. Marriage kids. So you don't want to have kids, you don't want to have kids. If if it happens, that's what I'm saying. It's it's one of those things that it's not something you plan. Oh, it just happens. Okay, it's not for everyone, so if I'm one of the lucky or unlucky chosen figure, I'll fit in with it.
SPEAKER_03Okay. What's a lesson that you learned the hard way that you wish you didn't? No trolling. Don't sweat it.
SPEAKER_02I think friendship dynamics that maybe I won't go into details in. Yeah, yeah. But I think people morphing, and I I don't know who I saw talk about this online. People will generally change. 20 year old me is not 30 year old me. True. Because you know, dynamics and some are beyond our control. Um because I think friendship dynamics need to be just as genuine in the giving and the taking. So I learned some the hard way. Um I lost friends that maybe I thought uh could see forties in uh together. And then some of them came back into my life. Not in the best of ways, you know. It's always you you know someone for seven years, yeah, and then you they do something or you do something, or maybe you stop talking and then one of you loses a parent. And then now you have to go for a funeral, and then you have to keep talking. So you're not even back in their life because you wanted to, because a circumstance brought you there. Yeah, but um keen on being very intentional with my relationships, friend relationships. Okay, okay.
SPEAKER_03Um would you date someone who listens to your podcast and takes your advice seriously, no trolling. Don't sweat it.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, especially if they subscribe. Yeah, I I honestly wish that I I honestly know that if I'm to get into a relationship or date someone, I'd want someone who knows me off and online, and it's interesting for them because then it gives them a perspective that's never seen before by anyone. So you're like my number one fan.
SPEAKER_03Oh, so you can date a fan.
SPEAKER_02I can date a fan. Not a super fan though.
SPEAKER_03Okay, okay.
SPEAKER_02Don't get a tattoo of my name.
SPEAKER_03Okay, I see what you're saying. I see what you're saying. It can it might get overly obsessive, yeah.
SPEAKER_02And I don't like over overly obsessive partnerships are just so crazy. You called me twice, I didn't pick up, you've driven 40 minutes to my place.
SPEAKER_03Bro, that's actually insane. Yeah, that's crazy. Do you feel like you have to maintain a certain image now that people know you? No trolling.
SPEAKER_02Don't swear it. I don't feel like I needed I need to make any adjustments because I I didn't put up an image from the get-go. Yeah, but I do understand that there's a level of um awareness, awareness that you have to have because now you're a public figure, because things that you do will be seen differently. Yeah, like if maybe I have road rage, if I was a normal person driving and then I shout obscenities to someone who's cut me off, it's now different that they can put a face to it, and then maybe a video would be of you online saying bad words and stuff. And then it was damaged everywhere. Yeah. So just a lot of awareness came with it, but not that we were starting from a bad place.
SPEAKER_03So before I let you go, I want to know. Steven. Steven. What's your do you have a dream?
SPEAKER_02I have many dreams. Currently, I I can't pinpoint to one particular dream. Like as a thing, like you know, how someone says I want to start a couch, I want to start a business, I want to do this. But I want to put smiles on people's faces, thoughts in people's minds, and happiness in their hearts in any way possible.
SPEAKER_03Beautiful. Like that's uh good way to end it. Yeah, yeah. And that's that's it, gang. Episode 88. I hope sometimes I worry if I mess up the numbers, bro.
SPEAKER_02Do you guys worry about messing up the numbers? Sometimes it comes up when you get to those numbers that are crazy, like 278. Is it 278, 287? Like, I'm like or when you've scheduled your guests, let's say you're recording three. Yeah, no guest, this guest is coming for 261, but the next one is coming for 264 because 263 will come later.
SPEAKER_03Happens, man. It just happens. So if I'm wrong, I hope I'm not wrong. I'm I'm not wrong. I'm not wrong. It's episode 88. And um, it was with Steve Stefan. Stephen, uh, why do I say Stefan? Stephen, Stephen Was. I like to call it Stephen Watts. Thank you, that's a beautiful name. It's it's good to actually finally officially have a conversation with you to get to know how you were brought up, you know, how yeah, your childhood to your relationship with your dad, how you go about things, yeah, and your mindset to how it was shaped by your compass experience. Thank you. So it's truly an honor, man, and I appreciate you supporting my Kenyan tour. Uh Hopefully, you guys are gonna tune into the next one. We still got a couple more episodes in Kenya coming up. Super excited. Uh I'm pretty sure you can guess who's the next one, but there's another one who uh there's another guest that is a surprise. I'm pretty sure you wouldn't guess it, but uh yeah. Uh but until until then, guys, peace. Thank you for having me. All right, so I'm gonna go ahead and see how you're gonna be able to do it.