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What's up No Trollers
We're back with another Great episode for y'all and
Today we've got Rosa Ree ,Award-winning rapper, poet, voice-over artist, musician, mother, and one of the most respected voices in African music.
But this isn'tust a conversation about music.
We talk about the woman behind the name... growing up, the version of Rosa before the fame, and what 10 years in the industry have taught her about success, identity, and letting go.
She opens up about motherhood, postpartum depression, spirituality, friendship, and the quiet seasons that completely changed her life.
We also dive into the question:
Is being a little delusional necessary to achieve success?
This conversation filled with wisdom ,honesty, and the kind of reflections that stay with you long after the episode ends.

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Filmed by: Rocky the mutator & jordan
Edited by : sean81jax

Chapters;
00:00 Trailer
03:12 Being Delusional to Archieve Success
09:41 Intro
10:21 New years Resolution
12:48 10 years of Making Music
16:13 Motherhood
17:42 Rosa ree before Fame
23:27 Pregancy & Post partum Depression
33:30 Learning to be a Mother
41:29 Being a Spiritual person
45:28 Religion is a Tool for Control
51:29 The Unknown
58:42 The life of Fame
01:03:07 Being a Woman in the industry
01:05:41 The Music Industry in Tz
01:08:31 Being me in my Music & Poetry 
01:12:24 isolation & Friends 
01:17:13 Tattoes  
01:19:53 What does Friendship mean
01:22:18 The Best Advice  
01:22:55 My Tzee side(NT game)
01:30:46 After the break
01:31:22 Using English in Music
01:34:26 The No trolling Questions
01:43:04 Im Content with Life
01:44:36 Outro & Shout outs

SPEAKER_03

I experienced something called postpartum depression, which is not known by many people, but I believe that every mother goes through it. I spoke about it, I tried speaking about it online, and everybody was like, ah, artists are always looking for clout. Oh, you're on drugs. Oh, you have been bewitched, juju. But what crushed me the most is that I lost all the contracts that I had. Every contract that I had that was existing.

SPEAKER_06

Yeah.

unknown

Pew.

SPEAKER_03

In the wind. Growing up, I always felt like my opinion didn't matter. I had this traumas of whenever I say something, it would be Trump, like, shut up. Now it felt like a rebellion. It felt like I have to fight with this shadow that was already full grown and there and has been there for years. So many people told me I couldn't do it because I'm a woman. Because and that that exact reason, like you cannot do it because you're a girl. What do you mean? You wanna rap. And we are told that what you think it becomes, it becomes, but then now you have to place it in the physical realm. I do still believe in Jesus, but I am spiritual. I don't lean towards religion. I believe that religion is a tool for control. In many ways, it has been used as such. But you're like, ah, but my pastor said this, or but my teacher said this. But the power is in your hands. All the things that you want to do, that you want to achieve, it is all in your hands. I think that's the formula to why it's life. You have to actually believe that you're in the space you wish to be before you're in it.

SPEAKER_05

So who was Rosary before the world knew what Rosary is?

SPEAKER_02

Well, it's a good question. Rosary was just nah.

SPEAKER_05

Nope. No trolling. We ain't calling y'all. Oh sweet.

SPEAKER_06

What's up, No Trollers? Guess what? No trolling podcast is just part of it with T Z to bring you guys the coolest drink for all of y'all that are young at heart. I genuinely love the taste of the drink, and I'm pretty sure you guys are gonna love the taste of it as well. So make sure you grab yourself a TZ drink. Let's sit good this season. Come on, you know what I'm saying? And also, 61% of you guys don't realize you haven't subscribed yet. So, can I ask you for a favor before you dive into the episode? If you like and enjoy the conversation we're gonna have every after two weeks, and you feel like you want to support us, hit the subscribe button. It's completely free. It's the easiest way to support the pod. And I'll generally appreciate that. And when you do that, I promise you, every time we upload the episode is gonna be better for you. Me and my team are gonna be working tooth and nail to make that happen for you guys. Thank you. All thoughts, views, and opinions expressed on this podcast are entirely our own. They are for entertainment purposes only. I repeat, entertainment purposes only. We're not exposing, condoning, indicting, or telling you how to live your life. Now, enjoy the show. You know, sometimes when I think about life and the people who get successful, and I realize there are always some sort of delusion in their head. And it's like it's not like normal people who get successful. It's not normal people, it's just like people who are always like a little bit crazy in their head. Yeah, so I'm I'm like, so is this how we should think or how we should go about life, like being delusional? What do you think?

SPEAKER_03

Do you know the formula to get to sleep? No, you have to pretend to be asleep before you actually sleep.

SPEAKER_06

Oh yeah, you do have to pretend a little bit.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah. Close your eyes and you're like, I'm sleeping. I'm sleeping. You know, but you're not sleeping yet.

SPEAKER_06

Yeah, you're not.

SPEAKER_03

So eventually you get to sleep. So I I think that's the formula towards life. You have to actually believe that you're in this space you wish to be before you're in it. And then you get to it. So people call it delusion. I call it facts. For me, I it's the same reason I don't I don't like using the word believe.

SPEAKER_06

Believe.

SPEAKER_03

I I like saying I know.

SPEAKER_06

Why don't you like using the word believe?

SPEAKER_03

Because it has a a hint of doubt.

SPEAKER_06

Yeah, okay. Has a hint of not you, maybe maybe not. Maybe so, yeah. I believe in this, I believe in that.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah, maybe not. No. It has a hint of doubt. So for me, it's I know. I know I am a goddess.

SPEAKER_06

What you mean? What are you talking about? I mean where did goddess come from though?

SPEAKER_03

I think it's from I think. I know. I know. There you go. I know. Um, well, it it just it's like just the being aware of who I am. Um I think it's uh it is a uh a very huge blessing, uh a favor to be aware because we live in a world where we see but we don't see, we hear but we don't hear, you know? And you see so many seeing blind people, hearing deaf people, you know what I mean? And it's like for me, I've always known I am meant for greatness from the jump, you know? And I would sit my my family down and I would be like after dinner, hey guys, I have a performance and I was five, you know? So for me, I have always known within my spirit that I am meant for greatness. I am uh I am a goddess, you know? So the older I got, the more I knew what it was and where I wanted it to go.

SPEAKER_06

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03

Um, sometimes, you know, just blind faith, like that's the direction I'm taking. It looks crazy to everyone, but I'm taking it. I don't care. And then everybody thought I was ehchwango. You know, like I'm hard-headed, or she doesn't listen, she's uncontrollable. I am that.

SPEAKER_06

They say it's it only sounds crazy until it works.

SPEAKER_03

Period. Yeah. It all it's only a delusion until it works. Yeah. And then everybody's like ah, this is what you meant. Yeah. What do you mean? This is what I've been trying to tell you the entire time.

SPEAKER_06

Amen. So yeah. You gotta you gotta believe in yourself so hard, man. Yeah. If you really want to achieve greatness.

SPEAKER_03

For me, when I began the my musical journey professionally, yeah. Um, so many people told me I couldn't do it because I'm a woman. Damn. Because, and that that exact reason, like you cannot do it because you're a girl. What do you mean? You wanna rap? Like, I I know how to do it, I know I can do it. I've been listening to Dabrat and Puff Daddy when he was Puff, you know, before he keep became Diddy. Diddy did it, you know. So moving on. Yeah, moving on. So yeah, basically, I just I knew I could do it, and that's why my very first song was so hard. I was like, one time for this mother to think I can't do it. Have to bleep that out.

SPEAKER_06

Yeah, for sure, for sure. What you mean?

SPEAKER_01

No, I'm a professional.

SPEAKER_06

So listen, we can curse in him.

SPEAKER_01

I don't want to curse on my God, my words have meaning.

SPEAKER_06

Listen, every time you want to curse, just look at me and I'll do it for you.

SPEAKER_03

Okay. Yeah. So I was like, one time for the mother.

SPEAKER_06

Fuckers.

SPEAKER_03

Exactly. And then one day I was just performing, you know, minding my own business, and I get on stage and it was, I remember it was fiesta.

SPEAKER_01

And I get on stage and everybody is screaming, and then I'm looking fly, I have my fur coat on, and I had a crown, like it was just, you know, and then I have my mic, and then I'm like, one time for the motherfucking time for the motherfucker, fucking.

SPEAKER_03

And then I would just give people the mic and they would say it.

SPEAKER_01

And lo and behold, I say it back. I'm like, one time for the motherfucker.

SPEAKER_03

And I should I was I was kicked off of stage. Not noticeably, but I knew it because I wasn't done with my set.

SPEAKER_08

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03

But anyway, I was like, oh, I apologize. I wasn't supposed to curse. People could do it, I couldn't do it, but I lost the memo because I would yeah, the vibe.

SPEAKER_06

Yeah, yeah, yeah. The vibe was fire.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah, so I said sorry, but I've always been unapologetic about saying one time for the mother.

SPEAKER_06

Fuckers.

SPEAKER_03

Thank you.

unknown

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06

Hi girl, welcome back on another episode of the No Trolling Podcast. No trollers, I appreciate you for tuning in. I appreciate you, man. Much love, much love. In the studio today, we got a creative, a poet, a voiceover artist, musician, award-winning rapper, you know me, a beautiful mother, a daughter of soil. Yeah, daughter of the soil, the beautiful African queen, Rosary. Welcome to the show, man. Santa Sana, thank you for the show. How you feeling? How you feeling?

SPEAKER_03

I feel great. I am blessed. I am I am a muse.

SPEAKER_06

Yeah. Well um, I I really want to know, like, when you started this year, what was in your head?

SPEAKER_03

First of all, last year, um December, yeah, I bought a notebook. Notebook, okay. And I was like, I'm gonna be next year. I'm gonna be journaling, doing my thing.

SPEAKER_06

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03

I never touched that book. Oh, you haven't wrote anything? I haven't written anything because this year just started with a lot um for me. Okay. Uh, first of all, it's my tenth year in the music industry.

SPEAKER_06

Yeah, congratulations.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah, it's I mean, it's a blessing and a responsibility at the same time. Because now I'm looking at the next 10 years and I'm like, what am I putting here? What's my blueprint? What am I living living behind, you know? Yeah, yeah. And that that speaks for itself in the way I live now. So it's a it's a huge load. But also this year, I lost my dad. My dad passed away, and that was a big blow. I did not expect that. It was just too much. And I tried writing about it, about all the feels, all the emotions, and then, you know, I just couldn't, you know, so it's a lot that I have been doing. Oh, also, I started um a business that is not I haven't put out there yet. Okay, there's many businesses I do, but I don't put out there. But there's this one that is coming that is just a big gasp. Okay, you know, um, yeah, so yeah, this year has started. It started with a lot, yeah, and it's also gradually becoming even more. But at the same time, what I can say, how I can sum it all up, is I feel favor, I see favor. I am walking within my my breakthrough. My favor. Yeah. So that's that's how this year is for me.

SPEAKER_06

Congratulations again on 10 years is no joke.

SPEAKER_03

It isn't.

SPEAKER_06

Yeah. Being in the game for all those years. I want to know when you when you look at the version of Rosary that started this. Yeah, what would you tell the her today?

SPEAKER_03

I mean, I think I think she already knows.

SPEAKER_06

Oh yeah? Oh yeah, she knows.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah, it's nothing I have to tell that little girl because honestly, for me, I started out when I was really young.

SPEAKER_06

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03

And not to say I had a big head, but there was always this fire that I always felt, you know, like I know. I may not know how, but I know. You know?

SPEAKER_00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03

I may I may not know when, but I know.

SPEAKER_06

You know? Yeah, I feel like we also relate to that because I said the same thing three years ago when I started this thing. You knew. You know?

unknown

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03

And here you are. So for me as well, I started my journey well aware that I am going to change the world with my art and my music and my poetry and and everything that is within me. And not just my art, but with who I am, you know? So having that voice within me that wanted to come out is like a remembrance of the future. So I just I would tell her to keep on keeping on.

SPEAKER_06

How do you view music now, today, compared to how you started?

SPEAKER_03

My music or the general like industry? My music is wow. Um, it's really changed in ways that I am in a space, not just musically, but as a person where I I have nothing to prove. I started out wanting to prove I I can get space or use the space on my table well. And then I wasn't given the space. Then I created my own table. And I created my own lane, and then I had to prove that I could actually hold this lane together on my own with with what I've got. And then right now I just feel I'm I'm in a space where I don't give a fuck. Yes, you know what I mean, and I don't want to prove myself to anyone about anything. Anyone who has any misconceptions, Karibu. That's for you. It ain't for me. You know what I mean? And um it's been a roller coaster in many ways. I have made mistakes along the way. I have uh I have made the right choices, the wrong choices went left, right, but I know I appreciate all of it. I appreciate the good and whatever was seen as bad because even the bad was good for my journey, was good for getting me here. Yeah, you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_06

So I remember you were telling me about the transitioning you're going through to to the new self, your new self. Right. Yeah, and uh, I want to know about more about that. What what prompt that realization that okay, I feel like it's time to change.

SPEAKER_03

My son. Um I know I have always been this or that that I want to be even in the future.

SPEAKER_08

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03

But it's in motherhood I got to realize oh, this is how the world looks in an aerial view. You know? It's like I was literally put somewhere high up, and now I can view life in a 3D, you know? Um, and I learned so much. I know as parents, people would say we teach kids a lot, but honestly, for me, I learned so much from my son. So much from the kind of person he is, the kind of person I'm becoming through him, you know, the the the things I have had to sacrifice as a person to become uh a higher version of myself, and I do know that it's me going up and up and up and becoming more and more. So yeah.

SPEAKER_05

So who was Rosary before the world before Rosary is?

SPEAKER_02

Well, that's a good question. Who was Rosary? Rosary was just was not just Rosary was Rosa.

SPEAKER_03

Rosa yeah, and um she was sweet and kind and gullible and could get vulnerable with anyone and thought everyone deserved love and would get kicked but would still go back and give more love. And this is I'm not talking about Sidri uh romantic relationships kind of love, but everybody, even friends, even you know, and I got used a lot, um abused a lot. I got bullied in school, by the way. Which is weird, it's just yeah, and then I I had a wake-up call.

SPEAKER_01

I was like, I called myself out. I was like, this ain't who I am. Yeah, I'm more than this.

SPEAKER_03

And then after that, I just oh wow. I would just walk in and everybody would make way, you know, that kind of thing. But uh I have to also let the the them kids know, the ones who are watching in school, you can only do that if you have good grades. Trust me. You should get respect from your teachers, your peers, everybody around because you have good grades. That's the number one, and then you can have an attitude.

SPEAKER_01

Okay.

SPEAKER_03

Oh, yeah. Facts.

SPEAKER_06

That's actually deep.

SPEAKER_03

That's it. I was the the top of my class. Yes, sir. I, you know, then I I I didn't get a big head, but like I didn't want to get used and abused, you know. So yeah.

SPEAKER_06

Where did you grow up? What do you call home?

SPEAKER_03

Home for me is not aware, it's who. It's whose. Okay. Yeah. My my family is my home. So wherever they are, that's where home is for me.

SPEAKER_06

Beautiful.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06

Uh I want to know the little little Rosa growing up, little baby girl Rosa. Yeah. What what what does she like doing the most?

SPEAKER_03

Now I'm gonna say this, and then some people will think they know about me because there's been speculation. Anyway, I was uh I was a little dude growing up.

SPEAKER_05

Little dude.

SPEAKER_03

Yes, like no, I used to play with boys. Okay, I used to have a clean cut, like a cut, and I would have like the you know the Nike uh the wave. Yeah, yeah, the wave.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, I used to have that, and then I would wear oh my god, I have to I have to pull up a picture for you.

SPEAKER_03

Yo, I got to see that. Everybody says I oh you don't look like Jay. I don't look like my son, but in that picture, oh I know I do look like Jay.

SPEAKER_06

I mean, yeah, I feel like people could have gotta guess that compared to how you popped up with the song with the whole like what you had a fade with braids.

SPEAKER_04

Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_06

Yeah, so yes, I'm pretty sure people could guess that oh she she's like a little nigger, little little nigger little bit.

SPEAKER_03

There she goes. No, no, no, you can't damn like that. Stop.

SPEAKER_06

No, no, no, no, no, but that's actually I see it. You look the dam is for the resemblance, how I see your son right now. Right?

SPEAKER_01

Exactly, it oh my god, yeah, like you can tell.

SPEAKER_06

Wow. Would you want my audience to see this? Sure. Alright, you please I'll airdrop that.

SPEAKER_01

Okay.

SPEAKER_06

Yeah, I'll airdrop that for you.

SPEAKER_03

So yeah, um, yeah, growing up, I was very playful. I used To I remember vividly having breakfast, standing up like I'm on the go, like I have an appointment or something. Kumbe, I'm going to play gololi with them dudes. And I was the champion of this gololi. I used to have uh uh one marble that was oh my god, it was made out of metal. Okay, so I would break everybody's marbles, you know what I mean? So anyway, yeah, growing up, that's the kind of um play I used to uh play with dudes, but I would go home sometimes. Yanni, I've had this terrible fall, and I go with that no do or like a big ass car, like or like I look like Sujisa mob justice to hit me. Anyway, but yeah, and then the my character was just I was I was just a sweet baby. I think my my my sisters and my mother can uh attest to that.

SPEAKER_06

Yeah is there a part of Little Rosa you still hold on today?

SPEAKER_03

I I I believe I am still her.

SPEAKER_06

Oh yeah?

SPEAKER_03

But in the heart of my heart's deep, deep, deep Bali Sana. Like there's so many other versions of me you have to go through to get to her, kind of thing.

SPEAKER_06

Yeah. How did like motherhood introduce the version of yourself you never knew you had?

SPEAKER_03

Very roughly. I went through a lot in the beginning. It was wow, um I first of all, I was an ugly ass dude when I was pregnant. Ah but that's a story for another day. Okay. But like um I emotionally I went through a crisis, not one, but a couple and I experienced something called postpartum depression, which is not known um by many people, but I I believe that every mother goes through it. Maybe in different intensities, yeah, but every woman goes through that because bringing a human into the world is not an easy task. Yeah. And I I know that we are chosen to do that, to be the portal from the spirit to reality.

SPEAKER_06

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03

Because we are capable of the job, but doesn't mean that the job is easy, no matter how easy we make it look. So for me, I went through postpartum depression and then um I spoke about it. I tried speaking about it online, and everybody was like, ah, wasaniwa meanza tena. You know, artists are always looking for clout. Oh, you're on drugs, oh you have been bewitched, juju. Oh, there was a lot that was out there. But what crushed me the most is that I lost all the contracts that I had. Every contract that I had that was existing in the wind. And now that is an addition to the stress because I am an only parent to my child, like the only not existing parent, but the only present, yeah, active asante present parent to my child. So now I'm like, okay. It's just sad that when you actually need people is when they leave, you know. And I'm grateful that I got to to get so much love from others. There was so much love that was poured into me in that time. But there was so much that I needed, you know, that I that was taken away from me. Um and my child.

SPEAKER_08

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03

So yeah, um, for me, I went through a lot of crisis, but I am grateful for it. I'm grateful for the storm, I'm grateful for the rain because that is what ensured that the plants, the seeds could grow. Yeah, you know, so I am so grateful that I went through that. There's so much that I gained along that with the way that if I said, Oh, I want to delete that part of my history, that part of the bad things, quote unquote, that happened, I would delete my strengths, my calmness that I gained through that time, my uh power of discernment, my grace, maturity. There's so much that I gained because of that experience that enabled me to become who I am now. So I'm grateful.

SPEAKER_06

So when you try to look for information about postpartum depression, like what was your like learning source in case there's anybody going through it?

SPEAKER_03

Oh I forgot to mention I am the last born of three women in my family to my mom. Okay. Uh my dad also had um another family. Fam uh, yes. But sadly, we lost our sister on that side. But also my mom is there. I have aunts, I have so my source of information was from the horse's mouth. All those horses. So and then being the the other one horse that is presently going through that, I'm like, are you you guys? I just feel like crying. I don't know why, you know, and then they're like, yeah, it happens. And then what one thing that I'm so grateful that I've always had is a good support system.

SPEAKER_06

Amazing.

SPEAKER_03

And my family has always been there, even when I was feeling depressed and down and under, and they've always been there with me through it, you know. My mom would knock on my door and be like, Do you want to eat? No. She would still bring ujim, tori, I don't know what, you know. And my sisters would always leave whatever they're doing to come and be with me and my baby. You know, I feel like, ah, I'm tired. And they would just come and take my baby and be like, it's okay. Did you pump the milk? I did. There's milk in the fridge. Go to sleep, you know? And I I'm just so grateful that I had that. But it made me so sad for the women who do not. There's women who are just alone, all alone in their journey. Just there with your baby, and they're crying, and they're, you know, and and I have to give it to my child. Oh my god. There's a reason I called him Amani. Amani is a king of peace. Like he's so peaceful. We were like two roommates. When he was born, the neighbors didn't even know there was a kid in that house. You know what I mean? Like he's so peaceful. It was a peaceful pregnancy. He was born, he was just, he didn't cry. He would just go ah when he had to poo or he wanted to eat, you know? So like I'm so grateful for that as well, but I still was going through the motions. So imagine me, I have a great support system. My child does not cry all night. He is not sick, he's uh he's well, he's healthy, I am healthy, I haven't gone through, I don't know, a traumatic um experience with my pregnancy or the birth, but still I was experiencing depression, you know? So what about the woman who does not, first of all, have a platform like mine that can go on Instagram and say, guys, I'm not alright, you know, does not have a support system that can take their baby and be like, can you go to rest? The woman who can does not know how to provide, because I'm grateful, even if I did not have the contracts, I still found ways to be able to provide. Yeah, you know, and there's women who do not have that. And then you see see them online, you see there's a woman, I mean Fanya, something that is cannot be spoken of, you know? Like Wapuambao, they they throw away their kids. You know, they're going through things they do not know how to deal with. And this is not to excuse them for doing that, it's not okay. But at the same time, it's to also call out people and tell them about this thing called postpartum depression. It happens and it happens, and that that person who is going through it does not know what it is. And the people who's around them do not know what it is. So they cannot help themselves, and the people around them cannot help them as well. So yeah, that's I think for me that was a learning curve. I tried to reach out to the people who are reaching out to me um about it, you know. It's like when people see you suffer, they're like, Oh, I'm so sorry. Are you okay? And then you're like, no, I'm not, and pew.

SPEAKER_08

They're gone.

SPEAKER_03

They're gone. It's like they were doing it just to be seen that they did it. Do you know that picture of um there's a guy and then he's in a hole, and then there's um another guy at the top, and then they have a ladder, but they're giving them a hand like this. You know that picture? Yeah, I've seen that. So that's what people do. You have the freaking ladder, you can't, you know, give me the ladder. You want to give me your hand. So I see that you're trying to help, but you can't, but you ain't.

SPEAKER_06

Yeah, people ain't shit sometimes.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah, so for me, that I experienced that as well. And I am just so humbled by where it took me, you know. And you understand now why I say I really don't give up. Fuck. Yes, yeah, you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_06

How did you learn to be a mother?

SPEAKER_03

I don't think there is an end to that. Oh, yeah, yeah. Because there's no manual.

SPEAKER_06

Yeah, for sure.

SPEAKER_03

And it's just first things first, I told myself, my son does not belong to me. He's a person of his own. Okay, he's a human being, just like me, but outside of me. You know? And he was brought here by God, not through me. But it's not because of my power alone, you know? Yeah, it's because of the most high. So I separated myself from the ownership of my child first so I could be able to see him as him, as a person. Because we usually forget that kids are people too. You know, they have feelings, they have emotions, they have sometimes they get sad, and then they're like, Why are you crying? Because he's sad. Why are you crying sometimes? Because you're broke, because you your heart broken, you know, you have your causes, but here they also have their causes. Their toy is broken, you know that yeah, so like you we have to as parents separate ourselves from our children and not act like we own them. Yes. But at the same time, you're not my thing. You're not my toy to play with, or my, you know, you're a person of your own. What do you want?

SPEAKER_06

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03

Growing up, um, I always felt like my opinion didn't matter. I I'm born into a family of six kids. My mom has three kids. Our Mama Mkuba had three kids. And my dad was very hard, and he he wasn't an easy guy. And so I I had this this traumas of whenever I say something, it would it would be trumped, like, shut up. Okay, you don't know shit, you know, you're too small, you can't talk in the family meeting or whatever. Yeah, you know, we I don't want your opinion about this, you know. So I had those traumas of, oh, so my opinion doesn't matter, you know? And then when I grew up, I had to make it matter. Now it felt like a rebellion. It felt like I have to fight with this shadow that was already full grown and there and has been there for years, you know. The voices of you can't do it, you're too small, your voice does not matter. You know, what you say does not matter because you're too young. So shut up, you know?

SPEAKER_08

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03

So I I always had to be aggressive and no, it does matter. And I've spoken even to myself, you'll find me in the past speaking to myself like, no, it does matter. What I, you know, like that. And so I never want my child to experience that, to have to take himself out of that hole. Yeah, you know, and so you'll find my son, whenever we are discussing something, like the grown-ups in the room. So, what do you think about this t-shirt? I would ask my sisters or something. And then he would turn from his things, he was playing with his things, he's like, I actually like it. And I won't say, I wasn't asking you, you're a kid, it doesn't matter. Your opinion doesn't matter. I wouldn't say that. I'd be like, Yeah, you think the color is right? Do you think it's okay? And then that would assure him that, hey, your opinion does matter. You know? And sometimes even when it's just me and him, I would still ask him, hey Jay, what do you think about this and that and the other? He'll be like, I think we should do this other thing, you know? Just to assure him that what you say and what you feel about things matters, you know? So I um for me, that's the route that I go, and I I see him as a person, not as a never thought about it like that before.

SPEAKER_06

Yeah, yeah. What do you think? Um is the harder truth you have to find out after being a mother.

SPEAKER_03

That one day I'd have to let him go. That one day he will grow out of my arms. Like now, I can't carry him, he's so heavy and he's so tall. And that one day he will do his his own thing without asking me for permission. You know, that one day he will be his own man and I would be super proud of him, but I won't be there 24-7. Yeah. And that just one day he will call me and he won't say mama. He will say mom. You know, I can't wait for that day, but it just makes me wanna cry, just thinking about it, you know? And like just thinking that, yeah, he was once inside me, and then now he's outside of me, and one he what one time he will be outside of my house, you know, and yeah. Doing his own thing, and I think it it makes me proud to think about it, but at the same time, it kind of makes me so emotional because like I want him to be there all the time with me.

SPEAKER_06

So, yeah, beautiful, man. Sometimes it's actually crazy. Sometimes my mom looks at me and be like, Yeah, man, you were just a kid a few years ago, bro. Yeah, you were just a kid, now you're doing your own thing.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah, you have your own life, and you're it's just yeah.

SPEAKER_06

But the thing, yeah, but the thing is with moms, yeah, you always talk to them. Like my mom would even sometimes she calls me every almost every day, sometimes or every week. Yeah, she just like, hey, what's how you doing? You're right. Uh cool, cool, cool.

SPEAKER_04

She calls you.

unknown

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04

Did you hear what you said there?

SPEAKER_06

She calls me.

SPEAKER_04

Yeah, because you're too busy. No, no, no. I call her.

SPEAKER_03

No, of course you do. I I don't doubt that you do. Yeah, but she's thinking about you constantly. But but you're up in here, you have a new girlfriend, you have no trollers, no the podcast, the mic is not working. You know, it's not like no shame. Yeah, yeah, but like 24-7, she's thinking about you. Yeah, and she's super proud of you, but at the same time, she wants her baby. You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_06

Yeah, yeah. Damn. Um, I know you're a very spiritual person, right?

unknown

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06

And uh, I can't stop but to ask, did you grow up like that or did that come along the way?

SPEAKER_03

Yes and no.

SPEAKER_06

Okay.

SPEAKER_03

Um, I give props to my parents for raising us the way they did. We always went to church, we I mean, they they raised at raised us with the spirituality that uh, however, they knew how, you know. And then there's things that we realize along the way as we grow, um, that oh, okay, there's this I can add, and there's this that was not looking the way I want to go. So um, for me, there's so much that I have had to learn as an adult about spirituality and things of that sort, but I do have a background of um, I do believe in God, I do believe in Jesus, I do believe in salvation and um yeah, and then the rest now I have applied to my mimoye later on. Um so um one thing that I learned not so long ago, actually, um is that we we we are God. We are part of God. God, it's like screen titles. I did your mind we are pieces of the cake. We are pieces of the source. What's a piece of the cake? Is it not cake? So when God gives us the spirit, it is his spirit, it is within us, and that's why the Bible says that ye are gods and all are children of the most high. That we are all his children, and therefore we are him. It's like me. I have my J, my child. I cannot call him a frog, he is a person like me, you know, and I know that. This is a tough truth for people, especially because it places a huge responsibility on our shoulders. That now you can't blame your pastor for the thing that you couldn't do, this, that, and the other time, or the thing that you want to do, but you're like, ah, but my pastor said this, or but my teacher said this. But my the power is in your hands. All the things that you want to do, that you want to achieve, it is all in your hands. This podcast was a thought at one point. Yes or no?

SPEAKER_06

Yes.

SPEAKER_03

What has it been backed up with?

SPEAKER_06

Um the initiative to act on the decisions that I make at the time.

SPEAKER_03

Yes. But if you do not initiate a thought. Yeah. And many people die with thoughts. And we are told that what you think it becomes. It becomes, but then now you have to place it in the physical realm. You have to bring it to life here and not just in the spirit. So yeah.

SPEAKER_06

Are you religious as well? Because you mentioned Jesus Christ. Oh, was that the background?

SPEAKER_03

That is the background. I do still believe in Jesus, but I am spiritual. I don't lean towards religion.

SPEAKER_06

Okay.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06

I'm trying to You're confused. I'm trying to understand the fact that you believe because Jesus is existed. Existed. Existed. Oh yeah. Okay. I see what you say. I now understand. His teachings exist. Yes, I understand now.

SPEAKER_03

He is alive. He was here. Yeah. And he still is in spirit. Yeah. But there's so much that so much politics that is within religion that I and and I mean to say this presently, I'm finding footing towards where the balance is. Because I believe that religion is a tool for control.

unknown

Okay.

SPEAKER_03

In many ways it has been used as such. And so if you're not careful with it, it's a slippery slope. And then you start thinking there's people, this my mom usually tells us there's no ladder that I don't know there's a pastor is higher than you to get to God. You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_05

We're all here.

SPEAKER_03

We are all the same in His in God's eyes, in God's presence, you know. So there's no ladder to say, oh, I can't pray on my own. I'll call my pastor to pray for me. You can do it on your own. Yeah. God's spirit is within you. Whether you know it or you don't, or you like it or you don't, or you know it or you're misinformed. It is within us all.

SPEAKER_06

Why should people consider being spiritual?

SPEAKER_03

I'm not telling people to consider doing anything. It is who they are, whether they like it or not. You know? Why should people consider having hair? Your hair will grow. It will grow whether you like it or not. You know what I mean? And spirits, we are spiritual beings. Whether you want to be, or you don't. So the direction you take is upon you. It's upon you to say, hey, this is what I want to do with my spiritual self. That is on you. It's not anybody's um place to tell you, hey, Sean, I think you should take this direction, you know, spiritually. Bro, what are you feeling in your spirit? Because that thing will talk to you. It's like when you you sit there, you're like, something told me this morning. What do you think told you? Oh, yeah, bro. So you do your thing. Think, just listen within.

SPEAKER_06

I like that because a lot of people expect to be told stuff to do. A lot of people expect to be motivated to do something. And I always tell people I don't like seeking help outwards. I like to look within. Even when I was in Kenya, I was talking to my friend. Actually, he was on the show as well, and we talked about it, and we were like, I prefer looking within because I can depend on myself 100%.

SPEAKER_03

So that's how it should be. Because whatever is external has to be an overflow. You have to become already filled because you are born like that. You are programmed that way. It's like if you give me a juice box, whatever else I will pour into it will pour out. It's an overflow because it's full already. So we are already created with our spirits. We're already spiritual. You like it, you don't, you want to lean wherever, it's on you. But and that's what I was saying about telling people or proclaiming that we are gods. It's such a how dare you say that! And for me, I had been calling myself goddess for years. Years, and even on my interview, I would tell people would be like, why you najita mungwa kike? I'm like, a cat would never give birth to a dog. You know what I mean? And God would not bring me here and say he's created me in his image and likeness, and then I'm not that what he is. Or she. We don't know. Or it. It's the source. This wood is from, I don't know, mnsiomninga, mtiki, or whatever it is. If it's mninga, it's coming from a tree that is mninga. It cannot come from from a mango tree. You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_06

Do you you know human beings we've always had that nature of trying to answer questions of the unknown. Do you feel like you are comfortable with just not knowing stuff, or are you do you feel like you want to know a lot?

SPEAKER_03

I am not comfortable with not knowing. I don't think anybody is. I am open towards knowing things as they are. Okay. Not tweaked or oh, this is what someone else thought, or whatever. I I want to take things as facts, as is, you know? Yeah. This is white, it's white. This is black, it's black.

SPEAKER_04

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03

Tell me why it's grey. Where did the mix-up come from?

SPEAKER_06

Yeah, and when you when the reason I asked that is because I had an amazing conversation with somebody who's into conspiracies whereby they believe in this and that though how they how the world works and what goes beyond that, from UFOs to cults to secret societies and stuff like that. And I'm like personally I'm like, why why are you researching on all that stuff? Because that's a big rabbit hole. And if I feel like it's something you can't come back from. Like when you're in that and you're in that motion of figuring out how things move behind the scenes, it's gonna be too scary to back down.

SPEAKER_03

And I'm like, You're gonna get responsibilities that you just don't know how to deal with, that you'd rather not deal with.

SPEAKER_06

I'd rather not deal with. And it's just like I I I'm just chill. Like, I I unless it comes to my face, I'm gonna address it. But if it doesn't, I'd rather just stay minding my own business. But it's also interesting to hear people talk about these things because now you give me all this information, I'm like, wow, that actually happens, and then sometimes it adds up, sometimes it it leaves a like a blank. So I'm like, where do you stand? Like, how how do you view stuff like that?

SPEAKER_03

What what that's a good question, but I also agree that there's so much information right now in the world that sometimes it's just overwhelming.

SPEAKER_06

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03

Um, and for me, I do know that the one thing that we that humans really, really seek is purpose. But what we do not seem to understand is that we are already walking in our purpose, you know, there is no reason to go seeking purpose somewhere else externally. So once you understand that, oh, I am drawn to this, I am drawn to that. Not this has come and has intrigued me. No, there's a difference between being intrigued and being drawn to something. Me, I'm drawn to art. I am drawn to teaching. I am honestly, even just sitting and doing homework with my son and my nephews and nieces interests me. This is how I know that I love to teach, you know? But at the same time, I don't want to get confused with what I find externally, you know? Because yeah, it can be interesting and intriguing and lose your way because you were so focused on what's going on externally. So, me, it's like I agree with what you said about seeking what is within within, going back to self. For me, that's what I do, and then I focus on that like a lot, you know? Whatever, whatever is external, it ain't mine. Yes, there's people who practice some dark magic, there's people who do I don't know what that's that's theirs. What is mine, on the other hand, that's what I'm gonna focus on.

SPEAKER_06

Yeah, and that's the only way to go about it, gang. Like, I feel like that's yeah, let's stress on yourself because like a lot of people like to put a lot of stress on themselves.

SPEAKER_03

Yes, and absorbs the absorb. There's people who are absorbers of energy. Okay, we all are in one way or another. That's why you'll see someone having an issue and you'll feel sympathy for them. Yeah, you'll feel empathy, compassion, you'll feel lots of emotions, yeah. But you decide what you do with the emotion that someone brings or the information. Because information equal to emotion, equal to if you act on it, then your life will go, will move towards that direction. So information equal to emotion, equal to direction if you take the step. You know what I mean? So you choose what information do you want to act upon. And that's why we are we are constantly told that it's just so dangerous, even for not just for kids, but even for us adults, to be scrolling and overfeeding ourselves information. And it's like I was telling my mom, she was sitting beside me, and that day I just wasn't having it with being online and stuff. And then she was scrolling, and it's like, do this if you want to take away, and then tuna usa, tuna uza, and then there's a bomb in, and then you know, like so much, like different kind of information, and it's like, oh my god, your OS, you know, is about to get a glitch because I'm hitting. Oh my god, too much. So it's so important to have a timeout, to be selective about what information you act upon and what has impact in your life.

SPEAKER_06

Do you enjoy being famous, Rosary?

SPEAKER_03

Yes and no.

SPEAKER_06

Elaborate.

SPEAKER_03

No, because believe it or not, I'm a very private person. I I love my solitude. I love I love my calm. But at the same time, because I'm who I am, I go places and I'm like, oh, today I just want to chill.

SPEAKER_01

It's like, ah, Rosario, can we take pictures? Oh, you know, and I'm like, oh god, I don't want to be rude, you know?

SPEAKER_03

And I love my fans. I love my family so much. So I wouldn't be rude, um, but at the same time, it's like, oh, I just want it this time to me, you know? So um that I think for me, and not just to say the the pictures thing, because I have no problem with that, it's just also um sometimes there's things that I want to be mine. Like for instance, when I was pregnant, besides the fact that I wasn't looking so pretty, but I wanted to experience that moment and that process on my own for myself. And why? Because for me to post a picture about it is on the news. People decide what they want to do about it, people decide who is the father, people decide where the bath will happen, you know, like it's like people on your thing so much that you don't get it to be your thing. It's our thing now, you know? So for me, that is the part of um fame that kind of I am very careful with. But also the yes is I enjoy being famous because I get to impact people, people's lives positively. Um, with the messages that I have in my art, with the person that I am, because I know even just my story can impact someone positively. Can someone can learn a thing or two from it? So I that's the part about art I enjoy because it feels like oh, I am fulfilling what is my purpose.

SPEAKER_06

Um did fame ever make it harder for you to actually know who you are or what you stand for?

SPEAKER_03

No. Um, when I started, it was something that I had to call myself out about. Especially, you know, with social media and stuff. And you know, anybody who has a smartphone, has an account, then they have an opinion.

SPEAKER_08

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03

And if they have an opinion and you take it seriously, it can alter the way how you think about yourself. So it's for me, it's one of the those shadows that I had to fight, you know, that you hear all the comments in your head and sema, this, the other has said that. And then I had to spiritually fight them. Like, no, that's not who I am. And not in a sense of I want to now prove to these people that's not who I am.

unknown

No.

SPEAKER_03

In a sense of I will keep being who I am because I know who I am, you know? So no, it it's it hasn't now.

SPEAKER_06

What do you feel exhausted you the most being a woman in the entertainment industry?

SPEAKER_03

Oh where do I start? Um There's many things that I can say are exhausting in the entertainment industry or or any industry. It's just I think it's it's it cuts across. Um being a woman who is a professional, an entrepreneur, uh a realist. When you know what you're doing and you know what you want. Um people think you are how do I put it? I'm really trying to find my words. Arrogant? Yeah, yes, arrogant, definitely, which that I don't mind. But they they they use you uh the the arrogance to say you are unwork withable.

SPEAKER_06

Ah, let me know so hard to work with.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah, yeah, so hard to work with. Oh Rosa is so hard to work with, they would they would say, you know, or so-and-so, whoever. And then that is only because they cannot manage you, you know, the way they do with other people. You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_06

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03

So for me, um, I've had to deal with that a lot because I know my stuff. I'm not a damsel, I'm not dumb. I know what I'm doing. I read the fine print. I, you know, so those being a woman in those lines just yeah, makes makes it, I think it it makes it a bit harder uh to get where you're going because you get um roadblocks, you know, but it's not an it's impossible type of thing. It's not. It's still possible because you know how to work around it after some time.

SPEAKER_06

What do you think of the entertainment industry in Tanzania?

SPEAKER_03

Ah, I won't say what came into my head. What came into your head, Rosa? I will say the same thing, but in better words. Okay. Um I think people focus on the wrong things. I think people focus more on clout, showbiz and instant fame, um instantness in the game. Um and I say this because you know it's like there's a formula for music release your song after recording and doing whatever. Release your song, put up a TikTok challenge, make people dance, go to a few radios. What impact have you brought with your art? Where's the message? You know, where's the music in it? You know what I mean? Like most of these songs are usually, ah, I had a vibe last night, man, and I'm telling you this because I've been there. Yeah, because I actually have experienced that space in my career and then called myself out for it.

SPEAKER_06

Like, what am I doing?

SPEAKER_03

Like, what the hell? I know this is gonna trend, but then what? What am I putting out there that I know that my children's children are going to benefit from it? Or my neighbor's kids or the society is going to benefit out of this message, you know?

SPEAKER_06

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03

So I'm just over it. I'm over the industry steering artists in that direction because it's diluting the coming generation. Because believe it or not, no matter how good the coming generation is, they learn from this one.

SPEAKER_06

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03

So if you all are doing some bogus stuff, stuff that does not have longevity, stuff that does not have message, that does not have impact, then what are we doing? We're corroding the industry as is. I am being me. I have been being me, but in being me, I have had lots of transitions. And sometimes I didn't know who me was, but now I know. Yeah. I did once know that oh I know I'm made for greatness. I am meant to do big things, I meant this, that, and the other. But now I know what it is. I know where I stand, and because of that, I I cannot play with this. I cannot just use it for a challenge. You know what I mean? I cannot stand the stoop and say, oh, I'll just stay in this level because I'm comfortable. No. I will stand tall and high. And I will do things that will impact people in a way, and not just women, but uh even men and like the general society in a way that will change their lives positively.

SPEAKER_06

How did you start your adventure in poetry?

SPEAKER_03

Oh, I started poetry before music, actually. Yeah. When I was 14, 15, I was a teenager. I used to write poems. I remember so vividly like I was sitting on my desk in high school and in secondary school. And I was writing poetry and I had like a deja vu of fame. Yeah. I I remember this feeling. I I knew, and that's why I'm telling you, I knew that I would impact people because of my talents. I was on a desk like this, and I'm writing poetry, and I remember that time. It was the the time I used to I used to also rap, but not my my own stuff. Like Lil Wayne and stuff. Oh yeah. You know, and Nicki Minaj. And then and then I would write poetry, and I just felt this glimpse of emotion of moments like this, like now, or like the the time of my fame. And it just, yeah. Okay.

SPEAKER_06

What uh is there what what should your fans expect from you from today?

SPEAKER_03

Nothing. Do not expect from me. Expect the unexpectable. For me, I can I I am not, I can't tell you where the lines are because I don't know. I'm telling you, I do not know. And this this is something I once said. It's like even when I was in labels, it never worked. Because you can't cage a beast, you know, you can't put a shark in a freaking fish tank. You know what I mean? So for me, don't expect. I is this my camera or that one?

SPEAKER_06

Both of them.

SPEAKER_03

Do not expect anything from me except the unexpected period.

SPEAKER_06

Isolation is pretty common when you're in the game, right? And I want to know what isolation taught you.

SPEAKER_03

I also won't say what came in my head.

SPEAKER_01

I'm really trying to filter myself here by positively because I'm using different words.

SPEAKER_03

Okay. Okay. For me, um what I learned, what I've learned about being the black sheep is that I am unique. And people do not know how to digest my uniqueness because everybody else is so random. Everybody else and everything else is just so tacky and you know what I mean? Yeah. But I am unique. And because I'm unique, I I will meet people who are like oh. You know, there's people who won't understand you. You cannot bring that kind of message. There's people who don't even know that language. Mimi, I've done my music in many languages, even languages that are not my mother tongue, like Maasai. And I I like for me, I want to always be limitless. But we live in an environment where people are so uh mediocre or they do not want to grow so much so that when they see people who actually grow, yeah, they're like, oh, but if you grow, we won't be able to digest you. We won't be able to understand you. You have to remain small. And so for me, what people don't understand is that every time I get that, it feels like a push. It feels like, oh, this rush just comes in my body. Like you're telling me to grow and go harder and do better and become unstoppable. You know what I mean? And I think that should be the way for anybody who is not mediocre, who is great, who knows that they are meant for greatness. When you see people wanting to stop you, it's only because they cannot digest you because they are not there yet. Yeah. But there's people who are there for you, you know, who are already there and can actually deal with your vibration.

SPEAKER_06

So did pulling away from the crowd make you feel lonely or a little bit liberating?

SPEAKER_03

Um It made me feel liberated. It made me, I won't lie, there's times I was like, oh, there's something wrong with me. I can't, I don't know how to make friends. Yes. But it's it's always because to be honest, it's so hard to find people who vibrate in the same level as me. And I won't apologize for that because I won't. I won't make myself small to be able to fit in. You know? So for me, I know there's times where I I was like questioning myself, but at the same time refusing to make myself small to fit in certain spaces. So if this is how it's gonna be, then so be it. Then that is my cup. That is what that is the direction. And always rejection is redirection. It's it I have been rejected many times, but every time I get a rejection and then I move forward from it, I realize that it was a blessing to be rejected. So I've I have I'm in a space now where I know that. And it's not many people who know know that. So yeah, it's it's good to know that rejection is redirection.

SPEAKER_06

What? I'm just thinking. Okay. You're digesting. Yeah, okay, good. Like what?

SPEAKER_01

What?

SPEAKER_06

Uh by the way, you look amazing though.

SPEAKER_03

Thank you.

SPEAKER_06

Yeah, I like the hair like a little why why it makes you look so innocent.

SPEAKER_03

I am innocent. What do you mean?

SPEAKER_06

I'm the holy rosary. Okay. Okay, if you say so, miss.

SPEAKER_03

It's the 1%. 99% of the time. The 1%.

SPEAKER_06

I'm noticing that tattoo right now on your arm.

SPEAKER_03

This one?

SPEAKER_06

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03

Right.

SPEAKER_06

Where does it say?

SPEAKER_03

It is um it's grass, it starts like this. So when it's grass, and then my mom's name on the soil, right? Okay. So when I was little, like grass, I had my mom, Jane. And as I grow, life has ups and downs.

SPEAKER_06

Yeah, okay. And with tattoos you got on, right? Does it like have a like a meaning to it, or is it just like a body art?

SPEAKER_03

It does have a meaning to it, or all the tattoos I have. Um this one, funny story. It's Chinese, right?

SPEAKER_06

Yeah. What does it say?

SPEAKER_03

First of all, I was 16 when I got.

SPEAKER_06

Nobody's gonna judge you.

SPEAKER_03

No, don't judge me. Doesn't say soup. Good thing. My my angels were walking overtime. So I thought it meant Jane. Lo and behold, it means one of three in the fourth month. Okay. I am born. There's the last one of three sisters. Okay. And I was born in the fourth month. That's not what I thought it meant when I got it. But I was like, that makes even more sense than I I would have, you know. I thought it meant soup when I grow older. When I grew older, you know, I was like, soup? Yeah. I was like, damn. Cause I'm I definitely don't speak um Mandarin.

SPEAKER_06

Okay.

SPEAKER_03

So I wouldn't know. But when I was younger, I thought it meant Jane.

SPEAKER_06

Which one is your favorite?

SPEAKER_03

I think this one.

SPEAKER_06

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03

Now that I know what it means, yeah. I think this one is my favorite. Um yeah. It's my favorite.

unknown

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06

What does friendship mean to you?

SPEAKER_03

Friendship means having people who choose you over and over and over again, regardless of what you go through. Even when you don't choose yourself, even when you're selfish, even when you're angry, sad, whatever kind of emotion you go through, having people who's around you that that choose you over and over again, and people who would put your needs before theirs, knowing that even if it hurts them or whatever, but as long as they're looking out for you in the right way, then they are good with their decision of choosing you.

SPEAKER_06

Do you feel like that's what makes a good friend?

SPEAKER_03

Yes. And that's why I don't have friends. But I have my sisters and I blame them. I blame them because they set the bar too high. Oh my god. Because look at like I have it all, I have that for friends. So whoever else comes is freaking mediocre. Like, if they give me anything that is less above that, they're basically spoiling you with a lot of love.

SPEAKER_01

It's it's just overwhelming. And then someone comes with their, it's just not enough. It's never enough. So I blame you guys. I blame you, Regina and Rehema.

SPEAKER_06

I blame you. They're like blood uh related sisters, right? Okay, nice, nice. They're pretty cool. I've talked to uh both of them. Both of them, yeah. They're pretty chill, man.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah, they're my team.

SPEAKER_06

Yeah, they sound so nice over the phone.

SPEAKER_03

Oh god, don't be fooled. Ah what? They're good people, yeah, but good is not equal to nice.

SPEAKER_06

Okay, absolutely. I've learned that the hard way, actually. Oh, yeah. Yeah, I used to be very, very nice, but now I'm just a good person.

SPEAKER_03

Good.

SPEAKER_06

Yeah. Safi.

SPEAKER_03

That's how it should be. Nice can be used, exploited. Yes. But good, good is tough. You actually has boundaries. Yeah, thank you.

SPEAKER_06

Standards.

SPEAKER_03

Yes.

SPEAKER_06

Yeah, that's nice, nice, nice. What's the best advice you ever heard or received?

SPEAKER_03

Wow. My mother raised us telling us what you do to others, you do to yourself. I think that's the best advice I have ever had because I have put out so much positivity into the world because of that. And it always comes back to me. Always. More like tenfold, if not a hundredfold, sometimes. Yeah.

SPEAKER_06

Beautiful, man.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06

I wanna play a game with you.

SPEAKER_03

Boy, what is it?

SPEAKER_06

Why are you so worried, man? Relax. Okay. Relax. I want to get to know your TZA, your Tanzania. I wanna see your roots.

unknown

Okay.

SPEAKER_06

Tanzanian roots, you know?

SPEAKER_01

Uh-huh. Let's go.

SPEAKER_06

Okay. Uh, so basically, I'm gonna ask you a question and just respond to it. And yeah.

SPEAKER_03

Can I take a breather before I respond? Because sometimes my responses are vulgar and I don't want to.

SPEAKER_06

It's okay. Okay. It's okay. Good. We accept who you are.

SPEAKER_01

This is not a safe space.

SPEAKER_06

It is actually. I'm telling you, it is okay. Wow. Okay. What's your teasy shower song?

SPEAKER_01

Oh gosh. What?

unknown

I'm kidding.

SPEAKER_01

I think that that's just the first song that came in my head.

SPEAKER_03

I don't sing T Z songs in my when I shower. What do you sing? I don't I don't sing when I shower.

unknown

Oh.

SPEAKER_06

You just like shower?

SPEAKER_03

I just shower. And when I have a bath, I just have a freaking bath. I don't want to like I want to take take away. I'm a deep person. Wow. And I feel like singing in your shower is so surface level. Sorry, guys. What? Wow, Rosary! No. No, it's just like you're enjoying a good shower. Like. I am feeling the hot water.

SPEAKER_06

Wow, you're lame. Burning me. That's actually lame. What do you mean you don't sing in your shower?

SPEAKER_03

I think, but I don't sing. Like.

SPEAKER_06

Damn. You've never had a like a you've never heard an urgent song.

SPEAKER_03

A shower song? What no, growing up, I have. Just right now. Maybe growing up, if you asked me that question, I would be like, this one's for the boys with the booming system. Tap down AC with the cooling system.

SPEAKER_00

Nicki Minaj or something. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03

Or like my leather's so soft. If the shower if it's a bath.

SPEAKER_06

It's a bath.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah. Okay.

SPEAKER_06

Yeah. What's your favorite genre of music, by the way?

SPEAKER_03

Ooh. If you asked me a while ago, I would say hip-hop. Um but now I think I'm figuring it out.

SPEAKER_06

Again, all over again. Yes.

SPEAKER_03

I am figuring out a lot of things.

SPEAKER_06

Nice.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06

What's your go-to T Z slang?

SPEAKER_03

Slang. Yeah. Ah, it would have to be chuga.

SPEAKER_06

Chuga.

SPEAKER_03

Ah, chuga. Oh, sugar language is just something else.

SPEAKER_06

What's your favorite okay, word? Like I don't think it's legal. I'm pretty sure it is.

unknown

It's not.

SPEAKER_06

Oh my god.

SPEAKER_00

Twendle it.

SPEAKER_06

Say it to me, but I'm a bleep it.

SPEAKER_03

Ah, okay, fine. I'll find another one that is safe.

SPEAKER_06

Um, but I'm curious now. I need to know.

SPEAKER_03

Charusha.

SPEAKER_06

Charusha.

SPEAKER_03

Yes.

SPEAKER_06

Okay. If you say so. Okay.

SPEAKER_03

You don't have to bleep that one out.

SPEAKER_06

Oh, yeah. That's definitely not be getting bleep. Uh actually, we so far we haven't had anything to bleep so far.

SPEAKER_03

Really? Only your words.

SPEAKER_06

What do you mean? Like we can curse again. So cursing is okay. Yeah, but like, you know, sometimes when you say something like, oh, okay, that is bleepable.

SPEAKER_03

If you cast in Swahili, just bleep everything. Yes. Cursing in Swahili is bleeped. By the way, why is Swahili so hard? It's like like when you curse in Swahili, it's just like if you can call someone ass, but you can't say that in in Swahili. Try.

SPEAKER_06

No. No, I'm not cursing in Swahili.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06

Yo, I'm I've I'm telling you, Swahili is just so deep. Deep. And it's just like, I don't know, because it's your mother tongue. I'm pretty sure everybody when they cursing their mother tongue is like deep. But English is just like, ugh, no.

SPEAKER_03

No, I think um, and I I I'll say this maybe America and you know that American lifestyle, the Western lifestyle, yeah, has desensitized a lot of things. And you would say cursing is so normal in English. Um But not normal for us. But there's so many other cultures that we have that are seen as taboo. But in the West, it's normalized. You know what I mean? Like kissing and sex and all those things, Western lifestyle, it's normal. People do it on the first date. You know what I mean? But here, okay, maybe kijini. But here, like it's just there's many things that are like shunned and taboo. What do you mean? Yeah. Yeah. So I think it's culture and tradition.

SPEAKER_06

What's the most T thing someone can say in an argument?

SPEAKER_03

Now you want me to curse. Ah. I can't say it.

SPEAKER_06

Yeah, yeah. I feel like you can say anything now.

SPEAKER_01

Bruh, yeah. You know, I'm looking. My son is watching. What do you mean?

SPEAKER_06

Okay, last one. The most Tanzanian thing you do.

SPEAKER_03

The most Tanzanian thing I do. Yeah. What do I do that? I eat with my hands. Okay, yeah. You know what I mean? It's normal.

SPEAKER_06

Like that's Tanzanian way.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah, I eat with my hands. I Okay, that's not Tanz not very Tanzanian. I don't hit my child. Okay, okay. Um I I can't say that one.

SPEAKER_06

Oh wow, you can say anything now.

SPEAKER_03

Okay then. I can say it. Oh, I have to say this one. Yes. I use shataf. Shataf. You know that that little thing in the toilet, the the one that yes, that one.

SPEAKER_06

It's called Shataf. Shut up. Yes.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah. And you go to other countries and they don't have it.

SPEAKER_06

Whoa.

SPEAKER_03

And then you are suffering. Oh, yeah. Tell me you didn't experience that in Kenya.

SPEAKER_06

They have it in Kenya. They do? Yeah. Where you went.

SPEAKER_03

Okay.

SPEAKER_06

Yes.

SPEAKER_03

It's a new thing.

unknown

Oh.

SPEAKER_03

You used to not be there.

SPEAKER_06

Crazy. I never knew that. Alright. Hey gang, don't go anywhere just yet. We still got more of the No Trolling podcast coming out. For the motherfuckers. I never been scared. So you never you never been scared for? You're not scared? Never. Nice. That's actually beautiful, man.

SPEAKER_01

Never.

SPEAKER_06

So many what you tell me, what you tell me.

SPEAKER_01

So for.

SPEAKER_06

Oh yo, man. What's what was your biggest challenge using English as a means? Um in Tanzania technique. You know how English is with people here?

SPEAKER_03

Yeah, I know. Uh I wouldn't call it a challenge, more like a a nuisance. You know, like you can't release that kind of music. You know. Yeah. And I'm like, I for years had to uh prove to people that music is a language of the soul. And this is, you know, I released my first song in the times of uh Ojuelebas and stuff, you know, like people are listening to Yoruba and Igbo, and they're jamming to it. Yeah. And they're telling me they won't understand me because of a language. So I'm like, shut up. What are you talking about? You know? So my argument was always, yes, music is a language of the soul. You don't have to understand the the words that I'm using to understand what I what how it makes you feel.

SPEAKER_08

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah. So that's why I've I've always been very versatile with the language that I use, but I mostly use English because that's how I can express myself best. Yeah. Um, and um, yeah, so I use it because I want people to get the core of my core.

unknown

Oh.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah. And I also want people to understand me widely and far. Nice, nice, nice. Fa.

SPEAKER_06

English is one of the most spoken languages in the world.

SPEAKER_03

Exactly. So I want people from not just Tanzania, not just East Africa, not just Africa. Uh globally, people to be able to understand me easily. Yeah. Nice.

SPEAKER_06

Uh, yeah, gang, we're back from a short break. Uh hope you enjoying the vibe. How you liking the vibe so far? Good, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03

Have a glass of water.

SPEAKER_06

Come on.

SPEAKER_03

We'll go down the water.

SPEAKER_01

Why, what you know what? Carrie, moving on, guys.

SPEAKER_06

Moving on. Yes. We're not gonna address that. No, no haircuts. But yeah, again, if you made it this far, I generally appreciate you. Hopefully, you've subscribed to YouTube. And if you're tuning in to our audio and uh audio listeners, I love you guys. I've actually upgraded the little thing over there so you can get subtitles and stuff like that. And uh, hopefully you're followed so you can get new episodes every time we upload, every after two weeks as of now. And we also have an exclusive community over on Patreon. You know how it is. You can get early access to episodes, check out behind the scenes, Rocky giving you some sauce. You need to make more yo, Rocky Mutator, need to mock those videos of yours, man. You gotta make that. Yeah, so basically, you just get exclusive stuff, and yeah, you have to pay to be in that community, though. But other than that, back to the show. So basically, right now we're gonna go to the last part of the show where these are called no trolling questions. These questions are from the fans of the show, and they're also questions I find online that uh intrigue me technically. So we have a catchphrase in here. We say no trolling, don't sweat it. Okay, so when I ask you any question from now, I'll say no trolling, and you say don't sweat it, then you respond.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah, what if I think they should sweat it?

SPEAKER_06

Okay, okay. Don't don't try to be deep right now.

SPEAKER_01

No, but I am deep. Don't try to be me. Damn. Okay.

SPEAKER_06

No, no, no, no, no, no. That's not me. Come on, come on. But yeah, uh Okay, got it. Yeah, got it? Okay, first no trolling questions.

SPEAKER_03

I don't have to answer the question.

SPEAKER_06

No, you can answer.

SPEAKER_03

Okay, yeah, you can answer.

SPEAKER_06

You have to answer, of course.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah, yeah, okay.

SPEAKER_06

Have there ever been seasons where you you felt disconnected from the version of yourself the world knew? No trolling.

SPEAKER_03

Don't sweat it.

SPEAKER_06

Yes, sir.

SPEAKER_03

Um many a time I there's been so many misconceptions about um me. Um allegations. Uh there's yeah, there's been trolls. People have trolled. Uh, but yeah, so yeah, I have been, I have felt um disconnected to the version of uh that people had or the idea um that people had of me many times. Yeah. I think that's one of the perks of being famous. People just you know conclude things without having a story. I've heard stories about me that I was like, who that? You know, which Rosary? You know what I mean? And I'm like, when did I do that? Yeah, you know, um, and to be honest, that is what made me stop looking at people's comments and opinions about me. Because I was like, I would read a comment and I'd be like, that is so not me. This person is mirroring how they feel about themselves and commenting about me. So why should I take that to heart or let that alter how I see myself?

SPEAKER_06

What's the craziest misconception people have ever had of you, No Trowa?

SPEAKER_03

Um, people thought I was a lesbian. Uh um, yeah, because I'm doing hip hop and it's a hardcore um kind of music. And I've never even dressed like a man. Okay, maybe once or twice. Wow. No, sometimes it's comfortable to be in baggy jeans and sneakers. I'm not trying to be a dude.

unknown

I love it, it's okay.

SPEAKER_03

Please bleep that out.

SPEAKER_06

I'll bleep that. I'll bleep that.

SPEAKER_03

I'm really trying to be very professional and nice.

SPEAKER_01

Maybe you shouldn't just cut that part out.

SPEAKER_06

No, no, I'm gonna bleep it. I'm gonna bleep it. When you bleep it, it's gonna be like, what did she say? I'm like, now you'll make it.

SPEAKER_01

No, they don't know what I said.

SPEAKER_06

No, no, no. I'll be I'll even cover the mouth.

unknown

Okay.

SPEAKER_03

No. Jesus. Yeah. Okay, okay, continue.

SPEAKER_06

All right. Next question. If you could leave one message for women trying to rebuild themselves quietly, what would that be? No trolling.

SPEAKER_03

Don't sweat it. Um, I would tell them let the success make the noise. You don't have to say anything. Um, we usually feel so prompted to respond, especially. Um, and this I speak from a very personal point of view.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03

Um, whenever people are like, ah, you know, that has happened to me many times. And then I just appear, and then people are like, hey, we didn't expect that. You know, so let your success be your statement. Let it make the noise. Let it be like, oh, so she was doing a thing behind closed doors. You know, so yeah.

SPEAKER_06

Something you used to value, but which you don't value anymore. No trolling.

SPEAKER_03

Sweat it. Don't sweat people's opinions. I do not give a fuck. Yeah. I just don't care.

unknown

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03

I mean, if it's positive, it's welcome. If it's not, it's not. I just stay with it. Like, I just like it will fall on deaf ears. Don't waste your breath.

SPEAKER_06

Do not waste your breath. Do you feel like that's something you'd advise people to practice?

SPEAKER_03

Oh, yeah. Daily.

SPEAKER_06

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03

With every meal. Or without every meal. However, left, right, center, up, down, every day.

SPEAKER_06

Nice. Okay. Um, do you believe in true love? No trolling. Yo, what happened?

SPEAKER_07

No, I don't know. Wait.

SPEAKER_06

What's going on? It's like your world is collapsing right now.

SPEAKER_07

Oh my god. Wait, please.

SPEAKER_06

No, it's okay. That's part of the show. It's okay. Don't worry. Just take your time. Take your time. Take your time.

SPEAKER_03

I literally choked.

SPEAKER_01

And it's not the question, guys. Jeez. You know better than that.

SPEAKER_05

What is it? What made you choke, Laura?

SPEAKER_01

Uh I don't know.

SPEAKER_06

Oh my god. That's pure comedy right there.

SPEAKER_03

Okay. Do I what was the question?

SPEAKER_06

Do you believe in true love? No trolling.

SPEAKER_03

I do. I am not a hopeless romantic.

SPEAKER_06

Okay.

SPEAKER_03

But I believe that love exists. Um, no matter how it's been branded in today's world, like um, you know, I feel like the social media culture of today has made love or brokenness in love um sound cool, you know? So you sound like when you're nonchalant, you're I'm so over it, you know. Um to be honest, connection. We as humans, we all need connection to be connected, you know? And so yeah, I do believe in true love. I do believe that it exists, and I also believe that it is for people that um choose each other over and over again, um, regardless of the situation.

SPEAKER_06

Are you open to funding love right now?

SPEAKER_01

Maybe that's why I joked.

SPEAKER_03

Oh, you're talking to somebody? Talking? Yeah. Oh, you I don't do talking. I'm too I I think I'm too grown for that.

SPEAKER_06

What you mean?

SPEAKER_03

What do you mean talking?

SPEAKER_06

Talking, like you you're in conversation, like you're going on dates with somebody.

SPEAKER_03

No, I don't I don't do that.

SPEAKER_06

You don't go on dates?

SPEAKER_03

No, like I don't waste time. And I don't like people who waste time.

SPEAKER_06

But you mean waste? So they're getting to know you, Rosary.

SPEAKER_03

Getting to there's nothing to get what I'm an open book. So you you you just want like, okay, we didn't you seize the opportunity, seize the moment. Thanks, yes, and somebody already did that.

SPEAKER_06

Oh, congratulations! Congratulations! Thank you. Wow, beautiful. Yes, before Leichigorosa, I want to know. Are you happy?

SPEAKER_03

I feel happy is so surface level. I am contented. I am I am in the now. I am living now. I am blessed now. I am favored now. I am now now, right now, like I am My heart is full I am full that everything else is an overflow. Everything that comes is just overflow right now. Yes, I am just abundant in everything, in health, in joy, in love, in success.

SPEAKER_06

Amazing.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06

I feel like that's the best way to end it.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06

Being content.

SPEAKER_03

Contentment is key because we need to understand that we walk with our favor, we walk with our blessing. It's like we are in this constant chase of a blessing, yeah, but you forget that it already resides within you. So it is up to you to decide to live inside it. Yeah, because it already lives inside you.

unknown

Okay.

SPEAKER_06

Yeah. Alright, gang. That was it for today. Episode 91. I actually forgot to announce that in the beginning.

SPEAKER_01

That's so cool.

SPEAKER_06

Thank you. Nine episodes to 100.

SPEAKER_03

Good. Thank you. I will say this. I'll give you your flowers. Oh, yeah. You have done so well. Thank you. Um, the podcast is so impactful positively. Yeah, um, and I I I think there's so many better things to come, I'm sure.

SPEAKER_06

Absolutely.

SPEAKER_03

And uh, yeah, it's very good to see someone who is just in their thing, yeah, and driven by it, you know? Yeah, so yeah, kudos. I remember you celebrating a thousand uh subscribers, and you're like, she's been watching me when I had a thousand subscribers, man. Yeah, I commented the time, I remember, and I was like, this is so cool. So it's uh I'm honored to be here.

SPEAKER_06

Honestly, I'm so happy you pulled up, man. Yeah, and it was it's such uh an honor to talk to you, to have a conversation with you, and I appreciate you respecting the platform to show up and give us your two cents on things, yeah. And hey, you can always come back. That's the thing, yeah. Yeah, this uh it's a community we're building. So anytime you feel like you're gonna have a conversation with your boy, I'm here.

SPEAKER_03

The next time I'm asking the questions.

unknown

Uh uh.

SPEAKER_06

Be ready. Hey, that'll be a little twist. I'm open to that. I'm open to that, but yeah, um, yeah, don't forget to like, comment, and subscribe. Uh, but uh yeah, until next time, gang. Peace.