Klaire:Are We Being Lied To? The Questions Everyone Is Afraid to Ask! ||EP 92

This conversation will make you question alot of the things you knew

Is modern Christianity the same as the message Jesus intended?

Who are  Rulers of the world we live in?

Are we only using a fraction of our potential, or is there more to human consciousness than we've been taught?

This week on the No Trolling Podcast, we sit down with Klaire Karolyn for one of our most thought-provoking conversations yet. From spirituality and religion to AI, ancient civilizations, secret societies, consciousness, and the music industry

Whether you agree, disagree, or leave with even more questions... this is a conversation worth having.

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Filmed by: Rocky the mutator & jordan
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Chapters;
00:00 Trailer
03:11 Are being lied to
07:02 Intro
08:34 Beliefs i stopped believing in
16:53 Alot is HIDDEN from us
19:09 The New World Order
20:06 Religion is Man made
24:47 Spiritual consciousness & The Human mind
33:23 We are Spiritual beings
37:52 We're controlled by the Education systems 
43:58 Human Abilities 
58:57 AI & DI
01:00:57 We are getting Programmed 
01:02:37 The North pole
01:07:33 The Earth is Flat
01:12:14 The Ancient Civilisation & Origin of Man
01:22:13 The Secret Societies 
01:32:05 The information we consume
01:33:15 The Big SPLIT
01:34:15 My Tzee side(NT game)
01:41:33 After the break
01:45:30 The Epstein Files
01:49:27 The No trolling Questions
02:22:21 My Journey to the Truth
02:39:33 Outro & Shout outs

Transcript

SPEAKER_00 0:00

The figure Jesus has been created outside of the teachings of Yahshua made as another deity to control the masses. So when you open up the Bible and the descriptions of Jesus, Jesus was described as a black man. Was Jesus Christian? No. Jesus was not Christian because I don't think that the terminology Christian or Christianity even existed at that point. Why did the Roman Empire decide that Christianity was going to be the Roman Empire? It's run by the Vatican, right? The Roman Empire, the Vatican R1. They formulated that and went that direction because it was the easiest way to control people.

SPEAKER_05 0:35

Do you think Jesus would recognize Modern Christianity today?

SPEAKER_00 0:38

No. Only because it's been altered over time. King James himself and his team of people who actually rewrote the Bible. But the funny thing is, King James himself was a he was a Satanist. NASA and the US government had a plan to introduce a new world order where everything will be under one world government. The people behind it are religious leaders, political leaders, basically part of these secret societies. So they sit in rooms and they plan these secret missions. Putting fear in people's minds is one of the tactics powerful hierarchies use to control the masses. People right now are so desensitized, like they don't really care. Like our generation doesn't care. So putting the Epstein files out there for people who had no idea.

SPEAKER_03 1:31

Desensitizing people.

SPEAKER_00 1:32

Yes.

SPEAKER_03 1:33

Shit.

SPEAKER_00 1:34

So I feel like this plain earth that we live in is a simulation that we're going through basically to rediscover who we truly are. When you think about the measurements that they use and you think about the science behind it, the earth is flat. The earth is flat. I believe that we are our minds are controlled through the education system. I've had experiences that are not of this physical world.

SPEAKER_01 1:58

What do you mean?

SPEAKER_00 2:00

Um nah, no.

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SPEAKER_05 3:11

So, um, I want to ask you, uh, what's one experience that made you think or start questioning things that maybe there's more to what we're being told?

SPEAKER_00 3:23

Um there are many things. Uh there are many things, but I think for me, I started asking a lot of questions about my spirituality or just spirituality in general when I was a teenager. Teenager, yeah. Okay. I was about 16. 16. And at that time we were I was brought up in a very beautiful home, beautiful parents, yeah, religious, okay, um Catholic. But then somewhere along the line, um we changed uh denominations, and uh my mom basically became a born-again Christian.

unknown 4:14

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 4:14

I think you understand when I say a born-again Christian, right? A Christian who then surrenders to Jesus Christ as their savior. Yeah. Uh and it's it's more of it's not just a saying like, you know, I accept Jesus Christ, but it's more of like a surrender, like a whole surrender. Um, and it's categorized in a sort of like a different denomination. It's like the new I feel like it's part of the new age uh biblical teachings. Okay. Especially coming from the Pentecostal uh churches. Okay. But I began to ask a lot of questions about different things based on the different experiences we had from different deaths that I had had at a young age, like people that I knew. Um I had crossed paths with different people from different walks of life. I think at the age of 16, I once bumped into somebody who believed that uh mermaids exist.

SPEAKER_01 5:14

Mermaids?

SPEAKER_00 5:15

Yeah, that's another topic to get into, but um that just got me curious and I wanted to understand like, you know, is this world bigger than it seems to be?

SPEAKER_04 5:26

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 5:27

And I just started asking different questions. And you know, like when you're in a congregation or a structured religious congregation, yeah, there are strict uh connotations or language that you can't just, you know, go out and speak into the congregation, for instance. Like, I know Christians believe that you can't just ask any kind of questions. Like, I know this might hit home for some people, but things like uh, you know, like where does God truly come from? And you're you're we're brought up in these cultural norms that you don't ask such questions, you know? You're told kwamamungu ni mungu. Yeah, it's a it's it's more or less a taboo. So I was just curious, and I was also a very uh naughty, a naughty girl, like in the sense that I really wanted to, if I was told no, I would be like, why? I want to know why. So I was very um what do they call it? I was very Sherlock Holmes, yeah. I would say Sherlock Holmes, but more or less curious cat. Curious cat. Yes, curious cat. And funny enough, I'm a Leo.

SPEAKER_05 6:37

I'm a Leo too.

SPEAKER_00 6:38

Oh, really? That's so cool. Yeah, all right. So I have a feeling it's uh it's part of my instincts, you know. Um, but uh yeah, I really was curious at the age of 16, and I had a series of events where or people that I'd met then really just got me curious. Yeah, and that's pretty much where my journey started on this spiritual awakening. Damn, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 7:01

All right, ladies and gentlemen, welcome back on another episode of the No Trolling Podcast. This is episode 92, man. Eight episodes more to a hundred, and I'm truly grateful that you guys are tuning back, tuning back. I know, I know y'all say I don't post enough in the sense of we only drop two episodes a month, but we're trying to improve our systems to keep on giving you amazing conversations every single week. Hopefully, you have subscribed right now and tuned in because today we have your beautiful black queen over here, a creative talent manager, music executive, an innovative CE. Oh fuck, is he talking about? Claire.

SPEAKER_00 7:41

Oh, yeah, my name. Welcome. Asanta Sana, thank you, Sean.

SPEAKER_05 7:48

So do you are you is Claire a short form to so like a name or is just Claire Claire?

SPEAKER_00 7:54

No, it's it's actually my full name is I don't normally say this out, but my full name is Caroline Claire Mees. Caroline Claire Meese. Yes. But I rarely look I sorry, I rarely use my official surname that is my father's name.

SPEAKER_04 8:10

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 8:11

So I just go with Caroline Claire or Claire.

SPEAKER_04 8:14

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 8:14

Or Claire Caroline, whichever goes. Welcome to the podcast. Yeah, thank you.

SPEAKER_05 8:18

How are you feeling?

SPEAKER_00 8:19

Uh I feel lovely. I feel seeing you out there doing your thing.

SPEAKER_05 8:22

Oh yeah, I appreciate it. I appreciate it, man. Uh so welcome to the No Trolling Podcast. And here we just, we just we just want to have a good conversation, you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_00 8:31

I appreciate that.

SPEAKER_05 8:32

And yeah, so what's one belief you you've completely changed right now? Like one belief you've completely changed right now. You're like, you don't, you don't, you don't you don't believe in it anymore?

SPEAKER_00 8:44

Yeah. One belief uh aspects on certain historical teachings that have been, unfortunately or fortunately, the foundation of uh what I was brought up believing certain things are true.

SPEAKER_04 9:04

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 9:05

Um, and I completely do not I don't blame my parents or anything like that. They they've done their best to bring us up in the best way possible. Absolutely. But I feel that during my journey and my experiences of I I wouldn't say I don't want to say spiritual, but I want to say that I've had experiences that are not of this physical world.

SPEAKER_01 9:35

What do you mean?

SPEAKER_00 9:36

Um, for instance, I don't want to get into too much detail, but basically when I was the age of like uh 11, yeah, I had uh an angel visit me in my room. And at that time I had no idea it was an angel or I could be hallucinating even right now, but this is what I believe. Um there was this vague light luminous uh orb like thing that was basically in the corner of the room and it was glowing, but it felt so light and harmonious. And meaning the Stuka too. Like I just woke up in the in the middle of the night, and I was sharing a bedroom with um my brother at that time. Um and I was in my on my bunk bed, and he was on his bunk bed, and I I was I was the kind of kid who was who believed in the boogie monster, you know, like anything you know creeps up at night, then I'm busy like under my covers and whatnot. But for some reason, I just got up and all of a sudden I saw this glowing light and I was fascinated by it, but then I felt this very light feeling. Yeah, but I was young and I didn't make much of it, and I was just like, oh wow, I saw something.

SPEAKER_05 10:57

Did it say anything to you?

SPEAKER_00 10:58

No, it didn't say it didn't even look like a being, like a like a like a human being. That's why I said it looked sort of like an orb that was kind of like orbing into the air, like floating into the air. So, best way to describe it would be ah, you know how Mercury kind of like floats into sort of like that, like okay, kind of like a bubble that's kind of like you know, yeah, glowing in light. And I didn't make much of it, and it did I felt drawn to it, but at the same time I also felt a little bit scared because it was something that is unknown, unknown exactly. But when I sit down and I think about it throughout my journey that I've been through, and I truly believe that it was an angelic being of some sort that that basically visited me for whatever reason, I don't know. But maybe that's just the beginning of my journey of when um a lot of things shifted for me, um, in the sense that I didn't start asking questions of where did this thing come from? I was just like, oh, maybe it's you know like a fantasy, so kind of like you see in the cartoons or like a fairy or whatnot. So I'll, you know, I was young and I didn't ask questions at that time, but I think that was the first thing that I saw. And when I woke up, I was like, ah, that's a dream. That's just that's just a dream. I was dreaming that I something came up into my room and was glowing. Um, but then funny thing is that the next day, um I was surprised. I was surprised by my parents, and my sister came back to visit me from Canada. She was studying abroad, and they decided to surprise us kids like me and my younger brother. And um it was, you know, an amazing time. I hadn't seen her for a lot of for like a couple of years, and it was sort of like the highlight of that year.

SPEAKER_06 12:56

Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_00 12:56

Yeah. So, but I didn't make much of the visitation, you know. And at that time I had no idea what it was.

SPEAKER_03 13:02

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 13:03

Um, and I still I still have questions about it, but I may have an idea that it may be the start of me consciously being aware of, you know, uh some sort of spirituality that existed.

SPEAKER_05 13:18

Was there like a specific belief where you stop completely?

SPEAKER_00 13:21

Like you don't really based on my own experiences, based on my studies, based on digging up truths, you know, I found that my belief in what I thought religion was isn't that anymore. Yeah. I think that's like the major thing for me. But other than that, anything else in my life, not really. Everything has been built on hard work, determination, and just believing in myself and believing that I can do it.

SPEAKER_05 13:54

So, how do you view religion right now, like from like from our point of uh from our point of view, like from outside point of view? Like how do you view religion?

SPEAKER_00 14:02

Okay, so I'm a Christian. Okay, uh, I don't actually I don't normally like to say I'm a Christian, like I'm a Christian because I don't think it has a label, but I want to say that I'm a follower of Jesus Christ. Okay, however, based on you know my studies, my learnings, my experiences, I believe that even the term Jesus Christ, there's a lot of layers to that. And the true origins of Jesus Christ himself, uh as a first century uh icon that came to change the perception of uh spirituality. Because at that time, um that that time when Jesus came into the world, there was a lot of agony, there was a lot of confusion, there was a lot of structural um, there was a lot of structural bias towards certain empires, and people were closed um spiritually, and I think that to my belief that Jesus came here to open up our minds, our subconscious minds, on understanding what our true purpose is here on earth. But then again, Sean, there's so many different layers to it, it is not just one explanation to this is what I believe and this is what I yeah, but I am a follower of Jesus Christ, although I don't call him Jesus Christ, I call him Joshua.

SPEAKER_05 15:35

Yashua. Yeah, Yeshua. Why do you call him Yashua?

SPEAKER_00 15:37

Yashua is genuinely his um original name uh from Aramic, and Aramic is uh said to be the language that Jesus spoke.

SPEAKER_05 15:48

Was Jesus Christian?

SPEAKER_00 15:50

No, uh Jesus was not Christian because I don't think that the terminology Christian or Christianity even existed at that point. See, that's that that's what I'm telling you. The layers, there are layers to this. So as time goes, you see, in modern society, we're so used to just believing on what we're fed, yeah, as opposed to really doing the work behind it, and that also includes meditating on the word of God and really trying to look for true true answers from within.

SPEAKER_04 16:23

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 16:25

Um and that's also where uh these days a lot of my belief shifts because I believe that Jesus came here on earth to teach us about um opening up our subconscious minds and being able to connect spiritually with source, which is God, our creator. And I believe that this is solely my belief and based on my experience. And uh maybe also for entertainment purposes, but um I b truly, truly believe that there is so much more that has been hidden from us, so much knowledge that has been hidden hidden from us, and uh God had sent a form of Himself to Earth in the form or rather in this body that we call a vessel, um down here on Earth to basically open up our minds because originally, if you look back into history, this earth has been dated millions of years ago, and the origins of this earth um derive from God consciousness itself, right? And even when you look in the Bible, I don't want to get into Bidal Bible semantics too much, um, but if you look in the Bible in the chapter of Genesis, it talks about how God basically speaks the earth into existence, right? Yeah, but when you actually look into it, meditate it, look into the knowledge of understanding spiritualism, yeah, and understanding what spiritual spirituality truly is, is basically understanding where your origins are from. And if you really truly be able to you're able to connect with that source spiritually, you're able to understand what it is deep down that you're originally from or connected to. So there's different constantly, I keep saying this, and even when I talk to other people, there's layers to this, and you really have to follow up on the different details and um historical events and years, and as well as even information like languages, because languages have changed over time.

SPEAKER_06 18:51

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 18:52

So, like I said, Jesus' language was Aramic. From Aramic, moving on to now, we have Greek, Hebrew, then there is English. Yeah, you know, and English is a very modernized uh sort of universal language, which I believe is this was the very start of the agenda, or they say the conspiracy theory conspiracy theory of the new world order. The new world order. Yeah. What's that? It is said to be a theory uh that was that derived basically from the 1970s, if I'm not mistaken. And I can't remember his name, but it was a journalist who had come up with uh had written sort of an article that NASA and the US government had a plan to basically introduce a new world order where everything will be under uh one world government. That's it in a nutshell. Details, people can look into that themselves.

SPEAKER_05 20:05

Uh, do you feel like r religion brings people closer to God or further away?

SPEAKER_00 20:12

I don't believe in religion.

SPEAKER_05 20:13

You don't believe in your religion?

SPEAKER_00 20:15

Yes, I believe religion is man-made, a man-made term and a man-made construct to basically control the masses. Again, this is what I believe.

SPEAKER_04 20:26

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 20:27

Um however, I believe in spirituality, and I believe that Jesus came here on earth to open up to that. Open up our minds and our consciousness to true spirituality and what that looks like to connect with the one true source that is God, the Alpha and the Omega.

SPEAKER_05 20:48

Well, you do you think Jesus would recognize modern spirit Christianity today?

SPEAKER_00 20:53

I don't know because I wouldn't speak for Jesus, but from what I know of his teachings and what I understand is him as him as connected to the one true source, is that no, he would not agree to this modern day Christianity only because um it's been altered over time. And I believe that all the transcripts, all the books have somehow been altered by man. Um, and we all know, I mean, there is the King's James, the King James version, where King's James, King James himself and his team of people who actually rewrote the Bible. That's why it's called the King's James, the King James Version.

SPEAKER_06 21:43

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 21:44

Yeah. But the funny thing is, and just to kind of like track your mind, is that King's King James himself was a he was a Satanist. Oh yeah, he was. Satanist, and he was very interested in Alice Crowley's uh theories about Satanism and beliefs and whatnot. So he followed a lot of that, but at the same time, he was also very interested about the teachings of Jesus. So generally, it was referred to as the teachings of Jesus and not really as Christianity, whereas Christianity was kind of formed during the time where the Roman Empire basically was formed after Jesus came. The Roman Empire was formed under the construct of Christianity. And I believe that's where all of the a lot of the rewriting and changing happened, a lot of the hidden books. I'm sure have you heard of the book of Enoch? You haven't heard of the Book of Enoch? No. The missing book that was meant to be in the Bible and was taken out was was found. There were scrolls that were found, and I'm not gonna get into those details, but uh the book on the book of Enoch uh comprises of um a lot of hidden secrets and uh knowledges and basically loopholes of how we understand true spiritualism today. Um so for instance, I'm not saying this is in the book of Enoch, but I just wanted to put you in perspective. So there's this uh there's this verse in the Bible that is Luke 17 uh 21, and it says that the kingdom of God is within you. All right, yeah, that's that's Jesus' teaching. The kingdom of God is within you. Now, if I was to ask you that, or if I was to tell you that, what would you get out of that? The kingdom of God is within you. Uh are you a Christian? Yes. Are you a believer of Jesus Christ?

SPEAKER_05 23:57

Um I I think I'm for now, I think I'm just a Christian, and that's that's all I'm aware of. Yes, so uh when I when you say that to me, it literally speaks to me in a way of saying, look within.

SPEAKER_00 24:12

Exactly. Yeah, look within, we which is the basic of a lot of Jesus' teachings. It He constantly was reminding us that what it is we look for, the spirituality we look for inside of that relationship we have with God is actually we're already connected to Him as He is a part of us because we are part spirit, right? But how do you make sure that connection is not disconnected? Right? You have to understand in terms of perspective. Instead of looking outward, you're looking inward, seeking validation, yeah. To access that spiritual consciousness in your body that exists.

unknown 25:02

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 25:02

Do you understand what I say? Yeah, spiritual consciousness.

SPEAKER_05 25:05

Yeah, is that does that add on to hallucinating and like maybe like leaving your body and just like oh no, no, no.

SPEAKER_00 25:13

That's like a little different, but you're talking about lucid dreaming.

SPEAKER_05 25:15

Lucid dreaming, yes, yes.

SPEAKER_00 25:17

Lucid dreaming. Okay, so no, it's not the same as lucid dreaming. So lucid dreaming is when your body gets uh leaves the beta stage and goes into alpha stage, if I'm not mistaken, yeah, uh, or alpha, yeah, I think they call it alpha stage or beta stage or whatever, but from beta to alpha, and generally what happens is is that when your body is just about to fall into sleep, there are those couple of minutes that your your mind is still consciously there, so you might your eyes might be closed and your uh body might be flat, not moving. Yeah, however, your mind is now slowly diving deeper into your subconscious mind, and your subconscious mind, okay. So let me let me let me start from the beginning. Do you understand when I say conscious, what conscious means? Yeah, being aware, yes, being aware of what's going on in your environment. Yes, okay. Now, when we talk of the subconscious or conscious, so there are three, so there are three. There's the conscious mind, there is the pre-conscious mind, or they call it subconscious mind, and then there's the unconscious mind. Unconscious, yes. So the sub so the conscious mind is the mind that you're very conscious of the things that are happening in the physical, right? But the subconscious mind is like basically in between the physical and like the spiritual.

SPEAKER_06 26:53

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 26:53

Okay. And then now the unconscious mind is where consciousness exists solely. Like that's where they say that God consciousness lies because you have the power to alter uh uh you know your state of existence through the unconscious and subconscious mind. So I normally use like a stone immersed in a river or like an iceberg as an example. Yeah. Um when you look at an iceberg, the tip of the iceberg is always what's peeping out, right? So that's the conscious mind in the physical, right? But then if you see the distance between like where the water is starts and like between between the what do you call it? Like the layers. Okay, so let's say this is this is this is the water, right?

SPEAKER_05 27:47

The sea level, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 27:48

The sea level. And then your iceberg, your tip of iceberg is peeping out, and then this space here before the bottom of the iceberg, the space in the between is what we call the subconscious.

SPEAKER_05 28:01

Subconscious, and it's way bigger than the tip of the iceberg.

SPEAKER_00 28:05

The tip of the iceberg is smaller, small and small, yeah. The bottom of the iceberg is way bigger, yeah. It's way bigger, and I use that as an example so that you can understand the infinite possibilities. Okay.

SPEAKER_05 28:18

How big the subconscious and the unconscious mind is, and and how it operates.

SPEAKER_00 28:23

So the unconscious mind are things that generally happen when you are unaware, things that you're unaware of, but you subconsciously you do them automatically. So it's kind of like programmed into you. That's why when when when you want to learn a new habit or you want to learn or change the course of your life, really, actually, and the things that you attract, what you have to do is that you have to start, you have to start by doing that, you have to start programming your mindset. And you need to do that by programming your subconscious and your unconscious mind.

SPEAKER_05 29:05

How do you go about programming your subconscious and unconscious mind?

SPEAKER_00 29:08

I don't have one answer, it's not a it's not a one-answer type of uh question, but yeah, maybe I can say this and what is currently working for me. Yeah, um, but also this is still this is something still new to me. These are these are still uh you know topics and areas that I'm still exploring. Yeah, uh, let me just be truthful. Um, but if I want to basically change a habit or change a way of thinking, I basically look into the depths of where that thinking came up from. How did I even start to think that way? Or how did I even start to think that perspective and why? And then I dig into it. But that's just me because subconsciously you may have certain behaviors that you constantly do all the time that you're unconscious of. Okay. I'm sure you have some habits that you are unconscious, sometimes but they operate in the unconscious mind, so you automatically do it in the conscious mind, not knowing that you're doing it.

SPEAKER_05 30:10

Sometimes when when you talk, maybe you you you throw up hands too much and you don't even know the something like that.

SPEAKER_00 30:17

You're right. Or maybe um, but then there's some there's some unconscious habits that affect your psyche as well. Um so it's it's it really is it really it really depends on what area we're discussing on exactly if it's spirituality, if it's certain uh habits or beliefs and whatnot. So everything is formed in the unconscious mind and it's built throughout the what's this called, the subconscious, because subconsciously, in order for you to co in order for you to consciously do something, yeah, that state needs to have already happened unconsciously, and then subconsciously it's already happened within an within the frequency, or rather, the I like to say the what's the word? Uh what's the word? I forget the word. It's okay. I mean, pita la kini. Basically, what I'm trying to say is that we have three subconscious minds. Okay, we have the conscious mind, subconscious mind, and the unconscious mind. And all those affect how we think, how we move, how what we believe, how we operate, and all of those things. But I truly believe that there is a direct connection to God through the unconscious mind. Okay.

SPEAKER_05 31:37

So when you're lucid dreaming, what mind part what part of it are you using? Are you using the subconscious or unconscious?

SPEAKER_00 31:43

I think that, okay, so I believe that I have had a lucid dream before. Actually, not had, I've experienced lucid dreaming.

SPEAKER_06 31:52

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 31:52

Um, but then at the same time, again, like I tell you, Sean, that I'm still on a journey. I'm still young. Actually, you know, what's what's great?

SPEAKER_05 32:01

And I'll keep going.

SPEAKER_00 32:02

Uh yeah, sure. Um, and I believe that my experiences happened so that I could understand how life works. Yeah. And I still think I'm on a journey understanding how life works because I believe that my wisdom right now is, you know, I'm in my I'm in my early 30s, right? Okay. My wisdom right now is going to be probably triple, tripled when I'm in my 70s, um, based on the experiences that I've built upon over time. But what I can say is to you is that I have had an experience lucid dreaming, and um this happened unconsciously, actually. And it happened because I found myself in a state of mind that I did not have control over my physical body. That's how I came to the conclusion that I was lucid dreaming. So when you lucid dream, um, I believe that it's it's that state of mind between your uh just right after your subconscious mind when you enter the unconscious mind and you access a realm or a frequency that operates in this in the spiritual realm, really. Um yeah, so I don't want to get deep into it, but it's it's okay. Um yeah.

SPEAKER_05 33:24

Do you think that we're spiritual beings having a human experience or human beings trying to be spirituals?

SPEAKER_00 33:32

The first option.

SPEAKER_05 33:33

First option. Yeah. So we're we're spiritual beings having a human experience.

SPEAKER_00 33:38

Yes. Maybe if I explain why I believe that.

SPEAKER_03 33:43

Okay.

SPEAKER_05 33:52

Yeah, okay. The soul.

SPEAKER_00 33:53

You know the difference between the soul and the spirit?

SPEAKER_05 33:55

No.

SPEAKER_00 33:56

Okay, so the the soul is basically um the part of you that is your unique personality.

SPEAKER_03 34:06

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 34:08

What makes your unique personality, your unique emotions, how you feel and connect with humans and other humans. Um, the soul is that form of what you just said. Some soul is experiencing that human experience, basically. That's the that's the that's the origin of a soul. It experiences, it's it's the direct connection of experiencing the human experience. Now, when we talk about spirituality, yeah, I'm trying to really, really like break it down so that people can understand where my mind is at and what why I think of why I think why I think is this is true. Yeah, is that um, first of all, I just wanted to mention that soul in uh in Greek is psyche, psyche, yeah, which derives from uh uh the study of psychology. Okay, right, and what is psychology? Psychology is the study of the human mind, personality, behaviors, characters, right? Yeah, so if you thought about it, that the soul is really the human psyche. Okay, all right, now on to spirituality. Spirituality is the ability to be able to connect to that part of you that is connected directly to spiritual source, to create creative source. Okay, so your creator. And I think that's that basically stems to the uh scriptures where we just discussed right now about um the kingdom of God is within. That spirituality within us, that part is of God. So the spirit comes directly from God, but the soul is the combination of that spirit existing in the physical body and living that human experience. Does that make sense to you? Yeah, I think I think that's the best way I can explain it. Okay. But I I really think that over time the understanding of spirituality has been changed because uh we live in a world that is run by governments, people, hierarchies, societies, and I believe that it's truly bigger than what it generally is.

SPEAKER_05 36:37

Can people like lose like touch of their spirit or so?

SPEAKER_00 36:41

I don't think that people can lose touch of their spirit, but what happens is that when you open up yourself and you become vulnerable, right? And you do acts that access to the lower or lowest vibrational frequencies within the subconscious mind, you leave room for you to be your spirit to be altered, not altered, but to your spirit to be contaminated by another spirit outside of your spirit.

SPEAKER_05 37:21

So getting possessed.

SPEAKER_00 37:23

Yeah, if you want to put it in that sense. Um possession, attachments, uh, spiritual attachments. And you don't really lose your spirit, but it's more or less something of the sort that it's like it binds you at that particular time because you've been vulnerable at that moment in time due to the experiences that you're going through, as well as the perception that you believe in. So I earlier I said that if we vibrate on the lower on lower frequencies. When we vibrate on lower frequencies, these uh lower frequencies attract lower vibrational spirits. Okay, or beings that vibrate on low on lower um frequencies, which are certain frequencies that emulate anger, certain emotions that attract negativity, so anger, uh anxiety, depression. I'm I'm really trying to like logically put it out there.

SPEAKER_06 38:32

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 38:32

Um because it's a combination of understanding like uh spirituality and understanding like how the subconscious mind works and also understanding how that integrates with the um spiritual or the spirit within us and how we access that. So another person would ask, like, so then Claire, okay, fine. How do you access this spirituality or this subconscious mind without um vibrating on the lower frequency? And I said that it's it's difficult because of the world that we live in right now and the things that um society has been built on. Our perception on certain things is alters our state of mind to think automatically in a fear state of mind because of the structures and the constructs that have been put in place. I believe that we are our minds are controlled through the education system and certain things that yeah, certain things that are put out in the communities to basically create a way or mass of thinking. I'll give you an example. Because people are gonna be like, what is she on about even your face says it all. Um let me start with, I think there was a study in the 1960s. I can't remember who did this study, but I remember coming across some sort of study in the 1960s where they basically put or placed a uh a group of people in a room. And this group of people in the room were just placed in a room and they were not told what to do, how to do, or whatever. But automatically over time they realized that there was something that or some common behavior that these humans were were basically reacting to, and that was they were all following one particular person. Um and that particular person eventually became the leader of the pack. Okay. And when I use w when I look when I think about what that how that translates into, you know, how the human how us humans think and how we're programmed to think, exactly. Um the education system or what it's built on understands how our subconscious mind works and understands how our conscious mind works. So they work on building structures in our minds and perceptions that later on will come to manifest in the conscious mind. So our way of thinking, our way of thought. Because if you were built in a home, I'll give you an example. I'm gonna dumb it down. If you're built in a home or are you grew up in a home that is full of love and full of um, what's this called, like light and love and and caring, and it's just the atmosphere is very positive and giving. And then you look at someone who has been raised in a very hard environment where um they were not loved and they were treated really badly, and um they were abused, for instance. If you look at the psyche of that child and you look at the psyche of the child who was brought up in a loving home, it's very different. And how the subconscious mind works is also very different. You'd find that the subconscious mind has programmed the unconscious mind to basically uh think uh more openly as opposed to the person who has is stuck in an hard environment where they've had to learn certain things for fend for for themselves, defend for themselves, but then subconsciously they were taught maybe to fear certain things. So how they approach certain things would be different, and that's really what it is. So when you are brought up in certain environments and you really got to a point in time where you feel like I've outgrown this or I've awoken up from believing certain things that you need to work on, depending on what it is that you want to believe in and how you want to approach it, you need to work on programming your subconscious mind. And this basically this could depend on anything really from your characters to your beliefs to the way you think, how you imagine. Did you even know that how you imagine or even start by imagining something in your mind that originates from how you've taught how to think?

SPEAKER_05 43:32

True.

SPEAKER_00 43:33

So any, that's why I say that everything we know has layers, and that's what I realize in life. Like it's there's not just there's not just one answer. Okay. Um a decision is made when someone has decided that they want to go into this direction, but when you are making that decision, normally there are there's not one answer. And I believe that is that's always that's always the case.

SPEAKER_05 43:58

We're being taught. That we human beings have five senses. Do you think we're capable of much more?

SPEAKER_00 44:05

I think we have much more. I think we have. Okay, so what are the five senses?

SPEAKER_05 44:12

Hearing.

SPEAKER_00 44:13

Okay, yeah. Hearing.

SPEAKER_05 44:15

Yeah. Smelling. Smelling. Sight. Seeing. Sight.

SPEAKER_00 44:20

Taste.

SPEAKER_05 44:21

Yeah. Taste. Feel. And touch. Yeah, touch. Touch.

SPEAKER_00 44:24

Yes, I truly believe that we have other senses that are high that are more complex than just the basic ones we use on a daily basis.

SPEAKER_06 44:35

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 44:35

I just wanted to get into what's the meaning of senses first in order for me to like expound on what I believe is true and not, because you can basically look this up, but I believe there's a there's a truth in it somewhere. Um because I don't fully believe everything that's out there. Uh so human senses are the ability to be able to uh detect something. Um and basically when you're able to detect something, that body that that something that you detect sends a reaction to your body, which sends electrical electrical reactions to your mind and your brain.

SPEAKER_06 45:19

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 45:20

Okay. Where that creates an a reaction for you to be able to react. So I'll give you an example.

SPEAKER_06 45:27

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 45:27

When you touch, maybe you feel goosebumps or whatever.

SPEAKER_03 45:32

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 45:32

But when you touch that that process of just having to touch or feel or feel or whatever touch, and the electrical waves that are taken to your brain waves happen very, very fast. It's, I mean, it's it's something that happens very fast. You can only imagine. But basically, that's what senses are. Now, when you look into deep into our abilities as human beings, because those are abilities. If someone tells you that, oh Yamana, disability, disability gani. These are abilities. Senses are your abilities as a human being. But you see, I believe that there's more to just the basic senses we know. Because if we do believe there's spirituality, then there are senses within the spiritual world that can heighten your senses in the physical realm.

SPEAKER_04 46:28

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 46:30

So for instance, um teleth telepathy. Have you heard of telepathy?

SPEAKER_05 46:37

Like moving things with your mind?

SPEAKER_00 46:42

Um telekinesis. Oh, that's no telekinesis is different from telepathy. Telekinesis is being able to move or basically to alter your external environment.

SPEAKER_05 46:53

Okay, with your mind.

SPEAKER_00 46:56

That's what I'm saying. Yes, with your mind. With your mind, with your with not with your mind, with your thoughts. With your thoughts. With your thoughts. There's a difference with your thoughts. And telepathy is being able to uh read your thoughts. Read someone's thoughts.

SPEAKER_05 47:13

Okay. Oh yeah, yeah. Telepathy, yeah, reads somebody's thoughts. Okay. Yes, yes, yes. I know that.

SPEAKER_00 47:18

So the difference here is that with telepathy, um you have to access someone else's conscious mind. Okay. Right? Um and in order to be able to do that, which is, I believe, is possible, is that you have to be connected to that person in some way.

SPEAKER_05 47:40

To read their thoughts.

SPEAKER_00 47:41

Spiritually.

SPEAKER_05 47:42

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 47:43

Yes, to read their thoughts. But again, I feel these are heightened senses as you become more spiritual and you learn how to access uh your uh divine spirituality, or I like to say divine intelligence. This is something else to get into. You want to access your divine intelligence through what I call the penal gland.

SPEAKER_05 48:06

Um like the third eye.

SPEAKER_00 48:09

The penal gland. It's it's penal gland. Okay, okay. Yes, the penal. Yes, which in spiritual terms they do call the third eye, right? It sounds so like you have a third eye. It sounds weird, right? It sounds so mystical and it sounds very like fantasy-like, right? But then um, there's a science to it. Okay, we have something in between our uh lobes here called the penal gund, and it's basically a muscle that is able, it it basically attracts and um contracts and it like contracts, and it they say that it has the ability to access uh divine intelligence when you vibrate on higher frequencies, you're able to access divine intelligence through the penile grant gland.

SPEAKER_05 48:58

Penial gland. So you're saying there's this there's human beings that are like vibrating on a high frequency that to the point where it's completely different compared to other people's.

SPEAKER_00 49:09

So peep listen, let me put this in in this perspective because I haven't even got into like telepathy and telekinesis, but I think that's something that people know, have heard about, especially in movies and whatnot. But there are cases out there currently, right now, in this generation, that there are kids out there that are learning how to exercise these senses, especially like telekinesis. Um and I believe that I believe that you can access this if you're spiritually connected um through the penal gland, and you can access that divine intelligence, which divine intelligence in general generally is um God, God intelligence, like it's intelligence that comes from the source of God, like infinite source, so like the divine source, like God-given talent or something like that. Um God given talent is more or less a gift, right? Okay, but I believe that people can access gifts given from through um being able to access their divine intelligence, which is yes. So, and then you think about divine intelligence, and then you think about AI, artificial intelligence, like any when you access your your divine intelligence, you're able to basically apply telekinesis and telekinesis. And I believe that it needs very high concentration, change of diet. There are certain things that we consume in our diet in this world today, yeah, that is generally not good for our spiritual bodies. Damn.

SPEAKER_03 50:58

Yeah, what you eat, huh?

SPEAKER_05 51:00

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_00 51:00

Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 51:01

So you're gonna be a telekinesis guy?

SPEAKER_00 51:07

You gotta focus on things that are high vibrational, um, things that still vibrate are not dead. So I I think there is this one time you and I met, and I I I spoke about eating dead food. So that's what I meant. That when you overcook your food, right? When you're eating processed food, it's dead food, it's mass, it's dead weight. So you're feeding your body this body that has a spiritual and spiritual connection to God, it has that essence, and you're contaminating your body with dead um you know, weight.

SPEAKER_05 51:50

Yeah, so it's not doing anything for you.

SPEAKER_00 51:52

It's not doing anything for you because how is a spiritual body supposed to be properly activated in a body that's not functioning well? Um, also, also, based on accessing our penile gland, I believe that in today's society most of us can't access our penile gland. Why? Because of the foods that we consume that calcify it, so it it's it it becomes hard like bone.

SPEAKER_05 52:18

Yeah, yeah. That's are you trying to to to to connect with your divine intelligence? Are you trying to are you trying to like practice it?

SPEAKER_00 52:27

Or is I practice connecting to my creator, my one true creator. I do. And I and that's where I do get a lot of my revelations as well. And it's not just like ah boom. Yeah, no, it is it's not no, it's not even that. It's you see, the thing is that I'm not talking about meditation here. Okay, I'm talking about accessing divine intelligence. I'm talking about accessing the one true um uh divine uh existence in you that comes from your creator, so that means you need to be light as a feather, if I put that in uh physical terms. One with God. Yeah, one with God. And that that means that your thoughts need to be empty.

SPEAKER_05 53:20

Damn.

SPEAKER_00 53:21

Okay, and when I mean empty, I don't mean literally empty, but you need to understand that when I when I when I brought up the topic of uh the subconscious mind, is that the things that we're programmed to think about affects how we connect with our conscious mind because uh it's very, very key on understanding like what our original beliefs stem from. Why? Because I believe that if we understand where our original beliefs stem from, we'll be able to understand why we think certain things.

SPEAKER_03 53:56

Yeah, okay.

SPEAKER_00 53:56

So for instance, if I was to ask you, do you do you eat pork?

SPEAKER_05 54:01

Yes.

SPEAKER_00 54:02

You eat pork, yes, but yet you say you're a Christian.

SPEAKER_05 54:06

Yes.

SPEAKER_00 54:08

You know where I'm going at with this?

SPEAKER_05 54:10

Wait, aren't Muslims supposed to not eat pork? Not Christians? Christians can eat pork, right?

SPEAKER_00 54:17

They well, they say the modern-day Christian can eat pork, but technically, in the Bible, um, it's forhibited to eat pork because it is an unclean meat. And people be like, okay, so even if it's an unclean meat, but back in the days, people didn't have the tools and the resources to clean the meat and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. But actually, yes, that is true technically, technically, but if you dive deep into the story of creation, is that yes, it's the creation of God. God created all these animals and created the animal kingdom and created us, us and different beings, humanoid beings, um, mankind, because I believe those are two different things, by the way, humanoid beings and mankind, animals, insects, microorganisms, you know, and everybody, everything that was made has its place, position, and purpose, right? Even if it is negative. Because I believe that there is always a balance good and evil.

SPEAKER_05 55:25

Yin and yang, actually.

SPEAKER_00 55:26

Yin and yang, night and day, you you get warm and cold. So there is always uh it's never one-sided. So if you understand that concept, think about the yin and yang concept that also derives from divine uh intelligence. And divine intelligence is one true divine um access to consciousness, it is consciousness that exists, okay? Which I do believe that we are existing in a plane of consciousness, um, because uh uh everything that we manifest or everything that is within the physical comes from the conscious mind. So we have the ability to be able to alter the state of being through our conscious mind, but it's a process.

SPEAKER_06 56:22

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 56:23

And also it does do it does kind of spill into um the theory of like uh manifestation. I think you've heard about manifestation, and I'm sure you also apply certain manifestation um rituals or methods or whatever it is, but I think there's a very fine line when it comes to the topic of manifestation. Because manifestation is something that derives or comes off, but starts somewhere from a figment of imagination or uh uh what's this called repulse of uh opposite to equal reaction. So it really depends on your perception, to be honest, because if you're living in a negative environment, what you manifest will be automatically what?

SPEAKER_04 57:14

Negative.

SPEAKER_00 57:14

Yes, and if you live in a positive environment environment, and I'm not saying you you always be living in a positive environment because we do need the negative side of things to happen in life in order for us to come back to source, to be able to realize oh, so that's bad. Oh, so that's good. So I genuinely think that's the nature of life because we can't all just be good. Okay, in order for there to be a balance, there needs to be good and bad. So even the instance of people saying, Oh, why would God let bad things happen to people? There is at the end of the day, it's bigger than you. This life that we exist is bigger than you, and that's what I truly believe. That even my purpose here, um, there is something that I'm here to do, which is yes, feel and basically go through that human experience, but also everything works in tandem, you know. Um our bodies are made up of protons and neutrons, they vibrate and then we have cells, and then from cells we have organs. So there's a process for everything. Same goes as to why bad things would happen in order for good things to happen, and why good things would happen that may create a reaction for a bad thing to exist? So there is no one answer or one destination. I believe there is various destinations depending on that what direction you pick or what direction you pick to go on.

SPEAKER_05 58:57

What do you think of AI so far and how it's developing? Do you feel like it would it would be smarter than like it would get in like a conscious mind?

SPEAKER_00 59:12

Uh I believe that it's possible.

SPEAKER_03 59:17

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 59:18

Um, but also what I believe is I believe is very controversial. I I'm still split between two of my theories.

SPEAKER_06 59:25

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 59:26

Um, so first of all, what is artificial intelligence, right? Artificial intelligence is more like it's a it's a man-made tool that um operates on uh mathematical and data processing to be able to get a certain outcome, right? Yeah, yeah. Of information. Now, that's what we believe, or that's what we're told, right? But then I believe that artificial intelligence actually derives from an ancient intelligent intelligence. Like it's something that has pre-existed longer than we have ever known. And it's now surfacing. Why I believe this is because so many other reasons, but one of my main reasons is that um artificial intelligence, in order to operate well, in order for the data centers to operate well, yeah, it needs water.

SPEAKER_06 1:00:21

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:22

Yeah, it needs water. And if you look at the way the conversation is going right now, is that by 2030 we might not have enough water in this world to basically uh supply to these data centers for our artificial intelligence to work. Hence is why you got people like Elon Musk and President Trump uh introducing things like water reserves and certain projects that basically uh are about building infrastructures to contain water.

SPEAKER_05 1:00:57

When you mentioned Trump, I just remembered the photo of Trump and those tall blonde beings that was there, humans of some sort, which is really taller than that.

SPEAKER_00 1:01:07

I was like, damn, technically people I don't even know if Tanzanians have caught on to that or if like Africans even caught on to that because a lot of what happens in America are for the Americans, you know, except if it's anything to do with you know what's happening, you know, over at, you know, I don't I don't want to say or speak about that right now, but all I know is that a lot of what happens in America when it comes to the news, the media, it's all there to basically create a perception towards people's thinking. Agendas, agendas, exactly. And that's what the television is for. That's why it says, that's why it's called a television. It tells a vision. So um, and that's why we call programs like TV programs programs, because TV programs are made to program your conscious, subconscious mind, actually.

SPEAKER_06 1:02:08

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 1:02:08

Um, and that's where the origin the origins of uh the origins of the topic of the subconscious mind. I was telling you earlier that um our habits, perceptions, and characters are built over time because of the things that we feed our ourselves on a daily that basically construct in long term in the long term, in the long term, construct our way of thinking in the unconscious mind.

SPEAKER_05 1:02:37

What do you think of the North Pole?

SPEAKER_00 1:02:40

The North Pole. Oh man, the North Pole. That I feel like the North Pole is a hidden place that many things exist.

SPEAKER_05 1:02:55

Elaborate.

SPEAKER_00 1:02:56

I think there are a lot of secrets out there that the world does not know about, and I feel that it's being concealed by you know people in power for whatever reasons that they have. But at the end of the day, I think that it's very inevitable of what's going on in the world today. Yeah, that the biggest fight here is power. Um and then control. So whoever is able to control the minds of people and be able to basically uh control the narrative has the power in the hands to basically do anything. And when it comes to the North Pole, I just feel that the North Pole has had so many constant conspiracy theories coming out of there. But when I have been looking into um some of these like uh scriptures and theologian um theories, I've come to find out when I dig deep that there is actually information out there that there are things that exist, like for instance, a base that's there um that is specifically for conducting experiments. Number one, number two, the North Pole is extremely cold. They say that there's no life form there, right? Yes. But what if I told you that there was life form beyond the North Pole, like beyond the perimeters of the North Pole that existed and was basically existing on a completely different um time frame with a different um format of civilization?

SPEAKER_05 1:04:39

So it's like a higher being compared to us.

SPEAKER_00 1:04:42

I if I say it's a higher being, then it'd say that Claire would know it all. I don't know it all, but based on what I have conjured up and based on what I have um discovered is that uh there is a possibility that there is an ancient civilization that is way ahead of our time, that is beyond the north the North Poles, you see. And it got me curious, so I did dig up more dig I did I did more digging, and I found out that um that there is a huge ice wall at some point of the North Pole that's that's like almost non-man-made, you see, and it looks like it almost looks like the Great Wall of China. It's like this huge ice wall, right? Um but it's in the form of certain like corners, so it's very structured. That's why I say it doesn't look um natural, it looks man made in a way. Um wait, did I say that earlier? I said I said that it looks man made or it doesn't look manmade.

SPEAKER_05 1:05:54

You said it doesn't look man made.

SPEAKER_00 1:05:56

Yes, it doesn't look man made. The fact that it could be a structure. That was created because of you know like how the earth has formed and whatnot, but at the same time, there that it there are areas that are so structured that it could it it could be man-made, um like the pyramids of Giza and things like that. So, but then also there is if you go up the rabbit hole or dig up more information, you will also find uh conspiracy theory around um the North Pole having um access to um what's this called, certain beings that are of different DNA from us. And this is where the whole like extraterrestrial like concept comes in and whatnot. Um but the most interesting concept of the North Pole that has really, really, really um that has really caught my attention was how the government is actually conducting like experiments out there. But then why conduct experiments out there where there's nobody? What experiments? What are you conducting, you know? So I found that interesting. And I did find out that there are one or two people that have tried to go on an expedition to go find out like what the North Pole is about and whatnot. But a lot of the information that comes back is more or less like they end up finding something, but then there's no explanation as to what it is, or you know, whatever structure they found there, whether it's a satellite or some form of I don't know, technological um form.

SPEAKER_05 1:07:32

So basing on that, do you think the earth is flat or like a sphere?

SPEAKER_00 1:07:38

I we've been taught that the earth is a sphere.

SPEAKER_04 1:07:41

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:07:43

And if you read in the Bible, it talks about how God made the uh the earth, when he was making the earth, or rather the the world, he created the uh the waters above and below and the firmament. And when you draw out word for word on the description of how the earth was formed, you will see that, or you will notice that it's a dome-like structure, that the firmament that they're talking about is a dome-like structure. Um and therefore, there's a lot of questions that have been derived. Um, where people now say that there is like the flat earthers believe that the earth is flat. Why? Because instead of it being a full sphere, it is it is covered, it's flat, but covered with a dome like um on the sides. Not the sides, like a like a dome. Do you know dome is like round, like a semicircle.

SPEAKER_05 1:08:42

Okay, okay. Oh, so you're saying the earth is like a dome. Damn. So you're saying the earth is like a semicircle.

SPEAKER_00 1:08:49

I'm telling you what is out there, Sean. Okay. What do you believe?

SPEAKER_05 1:08:53

What do you believe?

SPEAKER_00 1:08:54

Okay, so what I believe, I believe that there's truth. There's some truth, but there's a lot of lies that are entwined into um, because if you do look up history and you look up all these discoveries and explorers and the maps, the old maps. The old maps, the old maps suggest that the earth was flat. So you have to depending on how the expeditions were, how they moved from point A to B, especially during the slave trade as well.

SPEAKER_05 1:09:26

Yeah, how they moved.

SPEAKER_00 1:09:27

And and honestly, um, people didn't really know that the earth was round until moving around. Cindy, still, the maps changed over time. The plates shifted within the within the the drawings, you know, because if you look at the references of the explorers who went from Europe to Africa, Africa to Asia, like our maps have changed over time. And who is who's responsible for changing our maps? Those who control the information that is being brought down. When I say those who control the information that's been brought down, meaning that the education system, the education that we basically soak up every day the media and the news blogs and the constant articles that come out telling us what this existence looks like. That is what we constantly believe because they are people behind telling these stories. So there is a moment of truth, and there is a moment of like, eh, this could be true or this could not be true. And funny enough is that we live in a world where people are not gonna follow up. Like, you're gonna have your theologians and historical, like passionate, like historians who are gonna dig up the information and prove that this existed and there was an archetype and this and that, and all these discoveries. Because I'm not an expert, I'm just telling you what I know from my experience. They are just as passionate on their discoveries as the people who are passing down information and telling us what exists and what doesn't exist. For instance, the topic of NASA. Like I mentioned earlier that it said that there is a NASA base at the North Pole.

SPEAKER_06 1:11:24

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:11:24

Right. Now, if you backtrack, if you backtrack a little bit on our earlier conversation, I mentioned that uh the one world order derived from a concept of uh some article that came out a long time ago on the US's plan to basically you is I don't know if it's US and the European Union as well, but basically the conspiracy theory is that they have a plan to NASA and these governments have a plan to basically put everyone under one world government and basically control that narrative from there. So that means one world government, one world religion, one um one conversation.

SPEAKER_05 1:12:14

The ancient civilization, who are they like or what are they?

SPEAKER_00 1:12:20

So ancient civilization okay, so if you just look at textbook, yeah, right, ancient civilization is a civilization that existed before us, like for instance the Egyptians and the Moors, right?

SPEAKER_05 1:12:37

The Moors.

SPEAKER_00 1:12:38

Yeah, the Moors, which are actually said to be like our the civilization that existed, where the origin origins of man, like the true existence of man comes from the Moors who are black in origin. Um and then uh the what do you call it, then the those who are light or white or Caucasian, as they say, are not generally the original humans or mankind that existed here on this plane of earth. So there's been a series of evolution that has happened over time, but because of the change of DNA. So why this has derived is because uh there's been a lot of tests going around, conversations, uh people discussing things, theologians putting theories out there, but generally Caucasian's DNA is actually infused with um animal DNA. And animal DNA is referred to as uh I think pig, rat, and monkey. I think those are it's it's it those are the references. So um I guess that's also why they came up with the concept of um they come up with the concept of uh evolution of man where we evolved from the ape or the monkey. Where do you believe that?

SPEAKER_05 1:14:14

Uh I mean I I don't necessarily believe. I just like Why, why not?

SPEAKER_00 1:14:19

That's what you're told, you're taught in school, right?

SPEAKER_05 1:14:21

Yeah, but I I I I'm just in a space where I'm just minding my own business. Now I don't really dive deep down into things because I'm I don't want to be in that rabbit hole, but it's always curious to hear or like think of it. So it's not necessarily I believe, but I know I'm aware of that thought of what we've been told that man it originated from Homo sapiens, Dryopithecus Africanos.

SPEAKER_00 1:14:46

Yeah, but what do you believe? Like if someone was to ask you, like, Sean, what do you believe, like, how do you believe, or what do you believe in man derived from or the origins of man?

SPEAKER_05 1:14:58

I would tell them I don't know. I'll literally look in them dead in the eyes and be like, I don't know. I know I'm here though.

SPEAKER_00 1:15:07

Well, so to answer your question, and I believe that the ancient civilization comes from the original seed that was planted here on earth, which is our original civilization, um, comes from an extra extraterrestrial existence. Um and yes, people would call it a god god form, but again, I'm going to suggest that there's so many layers to it. And this is just genuinely my belief.

SPEAKER_04 1:15:38

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:15:40

Um, when you when we talk about the Moors, and I mentioned that they're a black civilization.

SPEAKER_06 1:15:46

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:15:47

Um, I mentioned the Moors because the Moors were originally the civilization that existed and built certain structures, even before the white man came and built structures and basically exposed, exposed the world to certain systems, religion and blah blah blah. But there was already a system there. Even you when you come to Africa as well, there are ancient civilizations that are talked about in history. Like you have uh what's this called the Persian. I don't know if you know about the Persian Empire. The Persian Empire, um basically it's an empire, like during the Roman Empire, there was also Persian Empire, which is on the uh what's this called? On the comes originally from the Middle East side. Okay, and the Persian Empire infiltrated the African Empire, um, and that's where you have like um your uh cultures like um the Bantu, right? The Bantu, you do know that us Swahili people originate from the Bantu people, yeah, yeah. And back in the days during slavery, um, there was an infiltration of a lot of different civilizations coming in and out. So there was the Persian Empire, there was the Roman Empire, and all of them had their own um civilizations, their own way of thinking, their own the uh theologies, their own structures. Um, but yeah, I we had a point to this. You're asking me about the civilization, right?

SPEAKER_05 1:17:27

The ancient civilizations.

SPEAKER_00 1:17:28

I generally believe that we have an ancient civilization, and I think over time that our DNA has changed because there's been a lot of interbreeding, there has been a lot of um experimentation with DNA. Um, and I solely believe that this is also one of the things that the you know governments or elites are also involved in.

SPEAKER_05 1:17:51

The elites.

SPEAKER_00 1:17:52

Yes, the people the the people that you keep saying are the powerful people. Rulers of the world. Yeah, you could say that. Do you believe that we have rulers of the world? I believe that we do have rulers of the world. I mean, it's a term that uh I don't want to just throw out there, but it's a term that I believe that most people already know exist out there. Um, there are the elites, people who are responsible. I wouldn't say they run the world, but they are responsible for um the decisions, the development of civilization, our perception, they're responsible over religion, and they're responsible of the information that is fed and basically fed down into generations. Now, if you look and see, and again, I'm not an expert, I'm just a creative who loves to read. Um, I have done a dissertation on secret societies um back in the day in college. And I was very interested during the time I was uh embarking on my spiritual journey. Before I even got to the spiritual part, I started doing a lot of researching. And I was just curious about, you know, these theories that I was hearing, conspiracy theories, theories that exist that people don't like to talk about, certain topics in certain environments that people don't like to talk about. If you mention certain topics, they aggravate people. So it sparked something in me. Um, so I'm just gonna put it out there. Not everything I say may be completely 100% true necessarily, in the sense that I'm saying that this is the only truth. Yeah. I believe that I only probably know uh 20 to 30 percent of what the truth really is, and I'm still discovering that. Um, but honestly, Sean, like when it comes to the civilizations, I feel like there's been so many altering um over time, over millions of years over time, because if you look at the Bible, that's been dated 2,000 years ago, right? But there was life forms way before that, right? And when you look at the deep sea, for instance, Achana 2 just on land, they are creatures that have been existing for thousands of years. Um animals, um, microorganisms. So at the end of the day, you heard about the bat the the bank, the theory, the bank theory.

SPEAKER_05 1:20:29

The big bang theory.

SPEAKER_00 1:20:30

The big bang theory. Is it the big bang theory, right?

SPEAKER_05 1:20:32

Yeah, that's the thing.

SPEAKER_00 1:20:33

Have you heard of it?

SPEAKER_05 1:20:34

Yeah, about the explosion and how they split everything.

SPEAKER_00 1:20:37

And like the like life came into existence after the big bang theory. So, you know, like it's interesting that they say that this concept derives from that, but if you look at the story of how consciousness came about, like it existed it in itself, in consciousness itself, right? But it got to a point where, in the infinite existence that it existed, that it still was existing in its most highest form, that it had to disintegrate itself in order for it to understand how to come back to itself.

SPEAKER_04 1:21:19

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 1:21:21

So when you think about that in layman terms, what does that really mean? It means that there's always a time where you have to leave source. Um, but then at the end of the day, when you leave source, once that that life expectancy is done, it goes back to source, right? So it's it's supposed to be a life cycle. Now, when we look at um when we look at these theories, there's always a fine line as to what we're talking about. So if we're talking about spirituality or we're talking about consciousness, or we're talking about just you know the physical realm, there is still like a like a direct um connection, like a fine line, but a connection for all three of them into this plane existence.

SPEAKER_05 1:22:12

So early on you mentioned about uh secret societies. I want to know in details, like where did this term come from? Or who are these people?

SPEAKER_00 1:22:21

I think there are different secret societies that exist um depending on the agenda, because a secret society is always a group of people that is formed for a certain agenda.

SPEAKER_01 1:22:31

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:22:32

Um, with who share the same perspective. That's like like I think that's like the best Nini that I can give it, like the best definition when you like strip away all like the different societies. Yeah. But um, oof, I I don't know where to start with this. There are just so many layers to it. But let me just share this with what I what I've experienced and what I've seen and what I've heard, as well as for what I've been told, Kupitya Mtuambao uh has been, not has been or had joined a secret society. Okay. Okay, so it's a combination of like a diff it's a combination of different things. So, firstly, when you talk about like the Freemasons and the Illuminati, first of all, those are two different things. One is a, yes, it's a secret society, but um it's not so secret. I think the only reason why they call it a secret society is because what they generally do when you're in the society is not just general public. Um I think that's where the whole like concept concept of conspiracy and secret come in. So it makes it very mysterious and attractive. But generally, I mean like the Freemasons is a group of people that uh basically have formed sort of like a club, um, a brotherhood that basically supports each other or supports the system. So let's say it's like joining a rich people's club.

SPEAKER_03 1:24:14

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 1:24:14

Or joining a club that is, you know, for golfers. So everyone who joins uh the golfing club is of certain status, right? I'm giving you an example so you can understand like how these societies operate, specifically like the Freemasons. They are a group of certain status. They if you are in the if you are part of the Freemason Brotherhood, from what I understand, because I did a dissertation on this in school, is that this brotherhood is built on supporting each other. It's a system and it is also a hierarchy of masters. So most of everyone who is a Freemason or a Mason is basically part of the high hierarchy. So for instance, your political leaders, your um artists, uh yes, artists not so much, but political leaders, basically masters in their craft, okay? Judges, people who quote unquote are called lord. Okay. So if you basically take it maybe to the to the to the British kingdom, for instance, right? Do you have your kings and queens? They're called lords and queens, right? Yeah. So that concept of hierarchy that's passed down onto the Freemason Brotherhood is is very existent there. So people who exist in that in that society, within those societies, are people of power. And from what I understand is that to be a Freemason, you can't just join to be a free a true Freemason. You need to be like initiated to be in this brotherhood, and you need to be of certain potential and have certain um what do you call it, certain rankings and uh certain status. And uh some people also get chosen from bloodlines. And this derives from the concept of uh ancient bloodlines that have that have constantly been um uh basically their bloodlines haven't been altered. Um they're pure bloodlines. For instance, like the the British higher hierarchy. Okay, the British Kingdom that's been that that bloodline has been there for years and years and years, so it's not an infiltrated bloodline. So anybody within that bloodline is automatically automatically joins a Freemason and is also appointed certain statuses within the construct of community. So for instance, like your judges, your political leaders, your um man of power. So it's really about a brotherhood that supports man of power, but also if you're a part of a Freemason, then you're part of a group that empowers itself. So let's say I give you an example like I'm a judge and maybe you're a president of another country, and we're both Freemasons, and I needed a favor from you.

SPEAKER_04 1:27:45

Yeah, you just like automatically.

SPEAKER_00 1:27:49

So um they basically support themselves within that brotherhood and basically uplift themselves.

SPEAKER_06 1:27:54

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 1:27:55

This information is out in the public. You can actually go and read on it. How However, there's the conspiracy theories around it that make it very attractive in the title of a secret society. I just feel that as time has gone, as as time goes, that there is an agenda at place here. And I don't want to get too too I don't wanna I don't wanna get too deep into it, but there's definitely an agenda. And these societies are built so that these agendas can actually uh be fulfilled. So I give you an example. Um like the one world order agenda, right? That we discussed earlier. That agenda is very much connected to the Illuminati and the Freemasons. I think if you even look it up, um, or you just write New World Order, Illuminati, and whatnot, Google will make all the dots, the Google will connect all the dots for you and tell you like what is what. So uh the conspiracy theories lie in the fact that uh there is a conspiracy that uh there's a new world government coming up, and the people behind it are uh powerful people, um, a combination of religious leaders, political leaders, and these political leaders and religious leaders are basically part of these secret societies, so they sit in rooms and they plan these secret missions of controlling the world, I guess. Um and it comes about within these different like agendas, so new world order, introducing AI, um being able to open up people's minds to understanding that there may be a life force out there, or some sort of extraterrestrial being, or for instance, there's an existing um race out there that we don't know about, but they exist among us. I just feel that at the end of the day, whether it's true or not, I feel that there is over time, history has proven that there is always this moment in time where there needs to be a pivot, where civilization basically uh evolves from one point to the other. So whether it's a your perception on certain things, or what we call now is that we are going through the awakening process where things have to come out. Truths that have been hidden for many years need to come out to alter and shift the basically the the uh consciousness of this being together. Because if if you are vibrating on, if you have if you are existing in consciousness and I'm existing in consciousness, and we all come from this God consciousness, that means that even this world that we're in is consciousness, right? Um, and it's well aware of what's happening. And I honestly believe that there is some truth with the secret society, the whole issues of like secret societies, and I honestly believe that there is truth in it. But then I also believe that people right now are so desensitized, like they don't really care. Like our civil like our generation doesn't care because we've been fed previously for many years that you know maybe aliens exist and these fantasies and these movies of these stories and extraterrestrial beings and these ancient uh what's it called? Ancient uh archives that talk about ancient civilizations that came down to earth, UFOs, the list goes on. So I really truly believe that there is an agenda at place and it also involves shifting the perception of the masses.

SPEAKER_05 1:32:02

Damn.

SPEAKER_00 1:32:04

I mean, okay.

SPEAKER_05 1:32:06

I mean, there's a lot to this, man.

SPEAKER_00 1:32:08

There is a lot to it, and honestly, this is the first time I'm coming out and speaking to you about it. How do you feel about it? Or just in general, because how do you feel about your I feel like I'm in a classroom because it's different when you're speaking to someone who doesn't really know, or I wouldn't say you don't really know, but you're not really in you're not really interested in this kind of thing. Um but I've always been interested in understanding how you know life works, understanding spirituality, understanding the physical world and and all of that. And the only reason why I've put restrictions and boundaries as well on the kind of information that I feed myself is because our human minds can only take too much.

SPEAKER_06 1:32:55

True.

SPEAKER_00 1:32:56

Right, but I also believe that we also don't know how to access the other percentage of our minds, hence is why we cannot soak up too much information. And as we release, as this information is being released, whether it is true or not, we will find out soon. Okay, whether it is true or not. I honestly believe that there will be a split, and that split will happen subconsciously, where you have people who are stuck in the old world, and then people who are evolving to the new world. We will still probably be existing in the same plane, but the perspective is different completely. The way we operate is different completely, the way we handle things is different, the way we access spirituality is different. So when that split happens, this now this is this is what I believe is going to happen. When that split happens, I believe that that is when the truth of how life really works is going to really um break or make a person, and this will determine whether someone will perish or someone will flourish.

SPEAKER_05 1:34:13

Okay, yeah. Alright, so I want to do a segment with you so we can get to know your Tanzanian side. Okay, your TZ side. To light up the mood. So, what's the pettiest thing Tanzanians do? Every Tanzanian does it. It's a TZ thing.

SPEAKER_00 1:34:36

Get back at you.

SPEAKER_05 1:34:39

Ah, getting back at somebody. I mean even if it's harmless, but I think that it's just a little bit, just to keep your mind at ease. Oh yeah, oh yeah. Yeah, okay, okay. Uh, what's something Tanzanians waste too much energy on?

SPEAKER_00 1:35:00

Um gossip.

SPEAKER_05 1:35:04

Gossip. You don't like gossip?

SPEAKER_00 1:35:06

I'm not a gossip person, but I mean, hey, it does come handy sometimes. Okay, it does come in handy sometimes, but honestly, the reason why I'm not a huge fan of gossip is because gossip taints the soul. Oh. Yes, gossip taints the soul. And let me tell you something about it. So backtrack to what is a soul, right?

SPEAKER_05 1:35:29

Uh, do you remember what I said about Yeah, it's like distinctive personality of somebody.

SPEAKER_00 1:35:34

Yeah. So your soul is basically uh that area of your existence in life that is experienced, like is experiencing the human experience, right? And you do you you experience a human experience could be tia emotions, and emotions is energy in motion, emotions, energy in motion. So as that energy is in motion, uh your soul, your soul then how do I, how do I, how do I explain it in the most simplest way to understand it? You know, there's certain under, you know, Sean, let me tell you, like, when you're soul searching and you're you're in your element and you're trying to find out or find out from God source, like God, Heavenly Father, um if you're trying to find out the truth about certain things, you don't just get them in format of like how we're used to like reading things or receiving information in that sense. It comes in different forms. It comes in maybe in a conversation that you're having with somebody, or sometimes when you're searching for something or you're soul searching, it may become in like an epitome of a ha moment where a thought just comes to mind and it just makes sense. You see what I'm saying? So it's sometimes hard to explain. But basically, what I meant by tainting the soul is that when you are focused on negative emotions, you taint the soul. Okay, I know I could have said that earlier, but it's okay. I wanted to backtrack to so people can understand, you know.

SPEAKER_05 1:37:18

True. Okay. Uh, what's the truth about the TZ dating scene that people won't admit? The truth or the truth. The truth, the truth, just the truth. Oh, if if there's more, please uh clue us in.

SPEAKER_00 1:37:41

The people won't admit, yeah. People are okay with having more than one partner.

SPEAKER_05 1:37:50

Uh Jonas.

SPEAKER_00 1:37:51

Yeah, Jonas. That's now Jonas. Very few people probably admit that. Yeah, the polygamists, yeah. Did you watch the show? I haven't yet. Actually, I've been extremely busy. I just I know that every person that has actually told me a little bit about it was like clear. Just be ready.

SPEAKER_05 1:38:08

Yeah, it's a roller coaster. I'm watching it and I'm like, whoa.

SPEAKER_00 1:38:11

Now, for someone like you who doesn't really know much about marriage and like hey, what you mean?

SPEAKER_05 1:38:18

I don't know much about you do no more. I don't know shit about I just know what I've been told and what I've seen. Okay, I don't know like that, like that.

SPEAKER_00 1:38:27

But what's your perception on uh on I already have an idea, like already the word speaks, like I know about polygamy and monomagami and and all these concepts because I follow up on this kind of train of thought and way of thinking, and because I've also uh seen people go through uh such marriages.

SPEAKER_05 1:38:49

Um, I haven't seen the series yet, but I fully believe that that movie was made to trigger yeah, the thoughts and oh yes, I'm telling you, that movie's changing people's mindset, literally, like people are literally changing. So I'm like, yo, so what are we doing now? So I'm I I I know I'm a monogamist. I believe in having one wife and just trying to be loyal to that or sticking to that person, but everything else to me is just it's just uh it's something like you said early on, it's something when you are brought up knowing, you can you can easily digest it. But if you always know one thing and then it's introduced, it'll be confusing. So yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:39:35

True. I mean, but you know, like men are just genuinely polygamists, right? In nature, yeah, yeah, we've been told. We've been told. The reason why polygamy is so like people are so against it, is the I mean, there is the religious aspect as well when it comes to Christianity and other forms of religion. I mean, for Muslims, you can have more than one wife, right?

SPEAKER_05 1:40:02

Yeah, polygamy, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:40:03

Yes. Um, so it's but that circumstance of having that one more, that extra wife or those three wives is that each wife will have their own house, or it would be very, very dedicated. But I think that from the perspective of this movie, I've not seen it or this series, but it looks like it's it's very uh it comes from a perspective of a narcissistic man who doesn't understand the uh like doesn't understand how women are in general.

SPEAKER_03 1:40:39

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 1:40:40

I I I that's what I'm that's what I'm getting. That's what I'm getting from right now without having to see the series from the feedback that I'm seeing people write about.

SPEAKER_05 1:40:49

Yeah, he's definitely narcissistic.

SPEAKER_00 1:40:52

And I think that is also a reason as to why polygamy can't work. Um, if especially if you're the archetype who's a narcissist.

SPEAKER_05 1:41:04

Would you ever be subjected to polygamy?

SPEAKER_00 1:41:09

No.

SPEAKER_05 1:41:10

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 1:41:11

But no. Okay. Maybe if I lived on a different plane of existence. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:41:20

Hey gang, don't go anywhere just yet. We still got more of the No Trolling podcast coming out.

SPEAKER_05 1:41:34

All right. We're back. You know what I mean? So, what's something you've been uh like working on that's is exciting?

SPEAKER_00 1:41:46

Uh well, I work in events.

SPEAKER_05 1:41:48

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 1:41:48

Um, and right now, currently, I am doing my first. Well, I've been working in events for many years now, but I'm doing my first uh Christian festival. Oh interesting, right? Um it's it's something that has been in my heart for some time, yeah, actually. And I don't I I'm not naming it a Christian festival because it's not just for Christians, even though it is focused on um Christianity in the sense of the direction, because we're going to be having gospel singers. Um, but it's more of a community platform that is made for those who want to build true spirituality. So I know that right now it's hard to exist in this world without having to come across certain things, even though you don't want to give you an example. If you go to the club, maybe you're not the kind of person who likes to listen to circular music, but you don't mind once in a while, but then you want to avoid listening to music that has a lot of swear words. Just give you an example, because I mean, you know, just to respect, you know, people's boundaries and whatnot, but creating a conducive environment for those who are building true spiritualities in their in their life. They want that construct. Um, because the event is it's a festival, first of all. It's a full-day festival from 10, sorry, from 11 to 11 p.m. Um, but most likely we'll start at 10 and finish midnight. I will be having local gospel singers, DJs, some Gen Z dance crews. I'll be having some activities, fun photo walls, gaming zone, gaming center. I'll be having a food court, and uh a lot of other cool activities. So I'm just trying to create an experience and a space for that community. And uh yeah, kids are allowed as well. It's more like uh something that families can come and enjoy and not feel like they're in an environment that they don't fit in.

SPEAKER_06 1:44:02

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:44:03

So it's more or less um to entertain the Christian community, yeah. But with good purpose. Yeah. I'm hoping that this will be able to attract um potential partners as well to join us on this journey. Um, because we're not only gonna do this once. This is something that we're gonna consistently do because we're building a community, we're building a community that will be able to grow into something bigger, especially for our Gen Zs. We want to invest, the platform wants to invest where we have this um initiative called the Seed Community within uh the Rising Fest, that's what the event is called, the Rising Fest. And basically, the Seed Community is dedicated to giving back to the community. So anybody who feels that they need support in funding or they have a creative project or they they run a business and they need some support, they can come, give us their uh proposal, and basically five to ten percent of the proceeds for the event will be going to the funding.

SPEAKER_03 1:45:17

Okay, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 1:45:18

I feel like people are gonna be excited for that one.

SPEAKER_00 1:45:21

They should because I think that we need the coachella of Christian festivals, and that's me, and that's what I want to do.

SPEAKER_05 1:45:29

Nice. So I want to know what do you know about the Epstein Files? What have you come across that is interesting to you?

SPEAKER_00 1:45:40

Epstein Files is interesting in the aspect of a lot of the things that I have been digging up and finding out about what's been going on behind the scenes within these societies and um powerful beings that are basically controlling our world, like the elites, that's what I call it's what I call them. Um it's interesting, but at the same time, it's not something that I can just say that I'm happy about because I believe that apart from whatever was in those files, the gruesome truth of you know child trafficking and eating children and whatnot, that is a truth that has always existed, but it's now coming to light to the public. But I really think that at the end of the day, it's more about the distraction that was created. Uh, Epstein File was used as a distraction to what's happening right now around the world. Um and as time goes, I mentioned to you earlier that putting fear in people's minds is one of the tactics that powerful hierarchies use to control the masses. So putting the Epstein files out there for people who had no idea desensitizing people. Yes, that's a big thing because the media censors a lot of things, but the whole idea of media is to desensitize people when it comes to putting things that are not normal in the norm and making it seem normal. Now that people have spoken about it and it's a it's a conversation that it's almost that it's now it's normal. Normal now. Um what does that do? That basically puts a permanent dent in the perception of people. So you have those who are like affected by it and like, oh my god, I can't believe you know this is happening. How could this happen under our noses? And then there's those people like, yep, we knew about this, you know, we just didn't know the exact names, but this is what we knew. And a lot of the files in the Epstein, a lot of the stories in the Epstein files have correlation to a lot of like powerful leaders and artists and celebrities, and yeah, the list goes on, and these are some of the people that we used to look up to as we were children growing up, right? So obviously, that shock is going to be like, oh my god, I can't believe it. Is it true? Did he really do that? You know, things like that, and people are in denial, and this would constantly be a psyche. And once that happens, is that later on when they do release certain information, people will definitely be in denial. So it's a form of programming, subconscious mind, exactly.

SPEAKER_05 1:48:50

Damn, ladies and gents. By the way, if you're wondering where we are, we're in the studio called Pentagon Rentals. If you're a creator podcaster like myself and you're looking to start your own show, podcast, or any type of creative conversation-wise, or any type of content creatively, honestly. Pentagon Rentals is a place that can host you on. We got cameras, we got everything you need, lights, a crew that would assist and uh give you advice on how to go about shooting. And hopefully, if you find this space, you might even get to meet me. And yeah, back to the show. So we're gonna dive into the last part of the oh, Patreon, sub to our Patreon, join the community that serves you with exclusive content. Exactly. This is our own secret society, our Patreon. So tap in, tap in, and yeah, of course, at a at a price, at a price, two dollars, three dollars, seven dollars, depending on what you want. No trolling questions. So basically, this last segment, we're gonna dive into questions, and I'm gonna we're gonna do a catchphrase that I usually do on the show. No trolling, don't Sweat it. Got that? So whenever I ask you questions from now, any question I ask you from now, and I'd prompt it with like don't no trolling, and you say don't sweat it, and then you respond.

SPEAKER_00 1:50:11

Okay.

SPEAKER_05 1:50:12

So I'll be like, Claire, how's your child doing? Don't no trolling.

SPEAKER_00 1:50:17

Don't sweat it. He's doing great.

SPEAKER_05 1:50:19

Okay. Alright. She's a mother, by the way. I forgot to mention that earlier.

SPEAKER_00 1:50:24

Yes, I'm a mama. I'll see.

SPEAKER_05 1:50:25

I'll see her. Okay, first the trolling question. Which is more mysterious? The ocean or the outer space? And when I say the deep sea, no trolling. No trolling. I say no trolling.

SPEAKER_00 1:50:42

Don't see. I forget.

SPEAKER_05 1:50:43

Don't sweat it.

SPEAKER_00 1:50:44

Don't sweat it. Yeah. Okay, let's try that again.

SPEAKER_05 1:50:47

Okay. Which is more mysterious? The deep sea or out of space?

SPEAKER_00 1:50:53

No sweat. Deep space. I mean sorry, the deep sea. Deep sea? Why is that? Because the deep sea is a place that not even the government has properly infiltrated.

SPEAKER_05 1:51:10

So you're saying people have been too out of space? Is that true? The moon landing and everything.

SPEAKER_00 1:51:15

Well, that's what the news tells you that people have been out of space. But if you ask me, um, I believe that there it's it's it's part of the hoax, it's part of NASA's big plan to basically deceive us. Um yeah.

SPEAKER_05 1:51:31

Okay. Why do you find the deep sea more mysterious?

SPEAKER_00 1:51:35

Because um speaking physically, when you look into the deep sea, there are creatures that even we as humans can't even fathom that exist in the depths of the sea. There are certain creatures that, or um, what do they call them? Microorganisms that live in the sea that don't even exist, don't even come closer to like one-third of the surface because they leave, they live in the depths of the ocean where it's dark.

SPEAKER_06 1:52:12

And cold.

SPEAKER_00 1:52:13

So you can only imagine the life forms that are there. Definitely mysterious.

SPEAKER_05 1:52:19

Mysterious.

SPEAKER_00 1:52:20

And I mean, the most thing that people say is that in space, what are the life forms? Are there like extraterrestrial beings, like aliens? Okay, that's another, that's another thing. That's another thing. Because if you think about aliens, what's what does the word alien say anyway? I mean, what does it mean? Alien means it's something that is strange or something out of the ordinary, yes, out of that norm. So if you didn't know of a certain concept, that concept would be alien to you.

SPEAKER_05 1:52:49

Yes, right?

SPEAKER_00 1:52:50

Yes. I mean, I'm just changing the context so people can understand what I'm saying. Um, so generally, I believe that when it comes to aliens, is anything that is not of the original origins of this earth. You get? Yes. So it can be microorganisms as well to the body. Hence is why we have things like parasites. I believe that parasites are a form of um alien beings in the sense that they are alien to the body. So I'm I'm starting from micro to right to macro. Yeah, exactly. So there are certain organisms that uh would be alien to you know, certain life form, and they're formed based to maybe circumstance or environment and whatnot. And generally, I think that's the concept of aliens. I feel like this whole like extraterrestrial being is is a form of beings, certain beings. I think there's different classifications, all right, but forms of beings that are not originally from this earth.

SPEAKER_05 1:54:07

So as a person who believes the earth is flat, is the I believed in certain theories that the earth is flat.

SPEAKER_03 1:54:16

Okay, okay.

SPEAKER_00 1:54:17

There are certain theories within that theory of the earth is flat that I'm like, hmm, I need to explore this. A little bit more, right? But it seems a lot more likely to be flat than my expeditions as well and travels, taking flights and whatnot, I always like taking the window seat because I'm always curious about how far the horizon goes, in the sense that when you are high up in the in the clouds, right? Yeah, when you're taught in school that the earth is a globe, in your head you're likely to think that you'll see some sort of like deep. Yeah, like like yeah, like sort of like a perspective that goes into, but all you see is a horizon that just goes into the same direction, right? Perspective based on the perspective of your eye. So you wouldn't be able to see the slope because it's too big of a slope. And that's the theory around the globe, right? That you wouldn't be able to see the spherical feeling of the shape because it's so far that it's beyond our perception, right? But if you think about the ships moving on the sea, and you think about the airplanes that are flying above above water, when you think about the measurements that they use and you think about the science behind it, the earth is flat. The earth is flat. Yeah, so um so I says there's certain things that I do believe about the earth, the earth being flat, and there's certain things I don't believe about the earth being flat, but that's just me.

SPEAKER_05 1:55:51

So when you talk about the the deep sea and you really dive, dive, do you feel like so? Technically, if you if you really go down the deep sea, deep sea and like go beyond it, what do you would you speculate that's out there?

SPEAKER_00 1:56:14

Um so what I do know is that uh the deep sea comprises of memories, memories and archives that um have a lot to say about the ancient civilizations that existed and the life force that existed before the flood, you know, the flood, right?

SPEAKER_05 1:56:34

Oh, the flood from Okay, Noah's Ark.

SPEAKER_00 1:56:37

Because scientifically it is proven that there was a flood. There was a flood that wiped out the earth at some point in time. But the question here is that was it God who sent the flood, or was it the nature of consciousness fixing itself because of how gruesome the world was back then? Mother Earth rebooting. There's a different way of thinking about it, you know. Or an ancient civilization that created the human DNA didn't like what was happening. I'm just giving you the theories that are out there that didn't like what was happening, and basically they decided to wipe out the DNA and start all over again. And why choose Noah? The parable of the story is that Noah was a very pure man, he was the purest of them all. And during that time, uh when uh what's this called, during the time of the flood, before the flood, there was a lot of uh what's the word? There was a lot of gruesome dark activities happening. Basically, evil was prancing around. There was a lot of like fornication happening, there was a lot of ritualistic things that were happening. Um, a lot of the things that were happening back then were also demonized uh due to these fallen beings or spiritual beings that fell from the heavens. Um, now that's a biblical story, but then there's also some truth in that because if you do look at the historical visuals of like um flood like areas of certain pieces of land that after the flood, for instance, like the Himalayan mountains, right? Where the original Himalayan salt comes from, the Himalayan salt is what pink, right? It's pink in color. The interesting thing is that if you actually look at the visuals of the Himalayan salt, it represents the visual of a muscle and how it looks like. And the muscle strands. I don't know if you're actually gonna show this up on the screen, but I'm gonna figure it out. Yeah, but basically, if you look at it, it looks like muscles that have been tied up. So it's very, very much red and pink in color with the strands and the white strands and everything. So there is a theory out there that is said that during the flood, um, civilization and um the Nephilim, which is basically the seed of the fallen angels, those spiritual beings that fell onto earth or were casted on to earth, um Satan and his angels, or they say, casted onto earth. And basically what happened was they lusted over um human beings, and they mated with human beings, or rather, they you know mated with them, and what came about was these beings called the Nephilim, and they're basically supposed to be these giant-like beings, like spoken about in the Bible, Bible, the story of David, and Goliath.

SPEAKER_05 2:00:04

Yeah, so they're like demigods, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 2:00:07

So they're like demigods, exactly. They say that they're demi demigods only because at that time when they existed, is because they are the they are the beings that basically taught the human race certain things. So, like um, learning how to use things like iron for war.

SPEAKER_05 2:00:30

Do they still exist?

SPEAKER_00 2:00:31

Who exists? The Nephilim? Yeah, not in the form of giants, I don't think so. Okay. Um, why I'm saying that is because of the flood. During that time the flood happened was because um, because of uh sorry, the flood happened because of the kind of activity that was happening on this earth. And the what's this called, the sexual intercourse that was going on between your spiritual beings and human forms, which was an abomination for God's creation. So back in the day they existed, but after the earth was flooded and these Nephilim beings died and perished, their spirits still linger on this earth, and that's what we call like the certain spirit powerful spirits that linger on this earth. I'm not going to get into that, but spirits, djinns, it's for those who are very spiritual, whether you're Muslim, Christian, Buddha, but um, there are certain spirits that are bound to this earth, and that's due to the different um events that have happened over time.

SPEAKER_05 2:01:43

Um speaking of um the earth, the deep ocean, and the deep sea, I mean what do you think of the existence of Atlantis and Outrolling?

SPEAKER_00 2:01:56

No sweat. Um I think that the existence of Atlantis once existed when there was a civilization that was untainted living on higher frequency, so they were able to tap into higher frequencies of consciousness. And um I believe that Atlantis would had a civilization that had a pure DNA, but because of the human experience that us as humans are going through, there are certain civilizations or certain life forms or beings that don't operate like us, you see, but because they want to basically uh what's this called? They want to, I wouldn't say increase the civilization, it's very, very complicated. I'm just trying to, but generally, what I'm trying to say is basically that let me put it this way. Based on the stories of Atlantis, and based on the original or origins of Atlantis, is that Atlantis was the original state of what the earth was, and it got infiltrated by other beings that wanted to be like us or to experience what we experience, you see, and in between all of that and those theories is that um over time our DNA had been basically altered through uh through different uh integrations of civilizations. So for instance, like um you have like these Nephilim, Nephilim spirits that came about due to fallen angels mating with uh normal normal human beings. But then you also have these beings where they call them like uh certain a certain race called like the reptilian race, that is a certain ancient ancient civilization that existed before us, but they don't really come from this earth, they come from a certain planet called Nibiru or something like that, if I'm not mistaken. Yeah, there's a planet that exists, um supposedly called Nibiru. And this planet, if I'm not mistaken, is the origin of the Archons or the Anunnaki, and the reptilian race is derived from the Archons. Um, but it's it's a lot of complex information there. And it's said to say that outer space, there are other extraterrestrials that exist. Of course, a lot of people would sit here and be like, Claire, you're contradicting yourself because you say you're a Christian, but then you're talking about like aliens and whatnot. But then I did say in the beginning of this conversation is that yes, I in this modern day and age I identify as a Christian, but I am a spiritual being. And I believe that my experiences are what shape who I am and what my purpose is here on earth. So I believe that everybody has a purpose, and not everybody will understand what their purpose is due to their experience. And unfortunately, that's how life works. You come here, even if you were meant to hold a pencil for somebody. You hold that pencil, and once you're done, you're done, you perish. You see, so there is always a reason for something. Even the smallest ant was there in order to make little ant houses so another ant can come and eat that. And so everything has a cycle. And I believe that for us as well. So the existence of all these other extraterrestrial beings is part of this solar system or this universe that is still part of the consciousness that exists, but in a different form. I don't know if that makes sense, but um when we talk about reptilians, like, or we talk about like extraterrestrial life, there's so many references to extraterrestrial life. Um people talk about the reptilians because it's something that's talked a lot about on social media right now, currently, but there's there are other races that are also talked about, like the Nordics or like the insect insectoids.

SPEAKER_05 2:06:36

Insectoids. Yeah, insectoids.

SPEAKER_00 2:06:38

They're not people, they're beings. Okay, beings. Insectoids, they're like insects? They're yeah, they look sort of like prey mantises, like massive pre mantis type of do and they live among us or are they just there? No, but I think they're they exist, but not solely on the physical plane. But they can. They can exist here. And I think that there's a reason as to why they exist. Um, but then again, I'm also exploring and I'm also trying to find out more information about this, but um that's just one of the many beings. That's just one of the many beings. Um, there's also another civilization that's called, I mentioned the Nordics, right? Yeah, the Nordics are a perfect example of what you described as appeared at the White House.

SPEAKER_05 2:07:32

Oh, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 2:07:33

They're very tall, blonde, Scandinavian-looking beings, extremely tall, very blonde, and very intelligent. And then you have the reptiles who are basically um, and then also the no the the Nord the Nordics are also called Pleiadians. If you ever hear someone reference Pleiadians, yeah, they're called Pleiadians. So I'm just giving you like an example. The Nordics are also called Pleiadians, the reptilians are called uh dracons, the um insects, they call them insectoids, but then uh some people do reference them as mantis.

SPEAKER_05 2:08:15

Mantis.

SPEAKER_00 2:08:16

Mantis men or mantis, something, something, something of the sort. Again, I'm not an expert on these things, but and then then there's the Anunnaki, which I told you is from the planet of Nubiru. But now there's a contradiction of the Anunnaki being the same race as the reptilians or a different race, but mixed, there's also a race that's mixed with the reptilians, but they have the same agenda. The same agenda is to basically control our narrative. Um, so if you were an experiment, for instance, if you were an experiment, do you think that the person who is experimenting on you would present themselves that they're experimenting on you?

SPEAKER_05 2:08:56

No.

SPEAKER_00 2:08:57

Exactly. Just to put you in perspective.

SPEAKER_05 2:09:00

Damn. Do you feel like we live in a simulation? No troller.

SPEAKER_00 2:09:06

No sweat. I think we do, and let me tell you why, because even if the concept of aliens didn't exist or doesn't exist, if you look at it in terms of consciousness, um the Nordics represent like our desire for human spirituality, because that race is about looking for answers. And then if you talk about like the reptilian race, they represent like fear and corruption, and hence is why hence is why a lot of people accuse the reptilians being like people who control the world and see you what and what. Because they're all about their race, it's all about uh putting fear and they operate on fear basis, and hence is why there's the correlation of them being directly uh connected to evil, quote unquote Satan. Yeah, yeah. Um, but then again, I'm talking in terms of these ideologies are representation or a reflection of what the human mind subconsciously has basically formulated. Because there is a theory that says that if we're capable of imagining something and subconsciously creating something, be able to manifest in the conscious mind, that means that even some of the concepts that have been built over time could be sucks, could be consciously created due to the masses of subconsciously thinking of an idea. So for instance, you can like a group of people can create a deity, a god that's worshipped, by formulating it, thinking that it exists, even though it doesn't, consciously uh putting an awareness, the fact that it exists, acting like it exists, so that so building something and giving it a name and a face and everything, and then praying to it, so you're consciously portraying this image that this thing exists, right? So if that's done in a collective or as a collective, then the possibility is that we as a race or we as consciousness are actually creating that conscious, that thing to become conscious. Does that make sense or did I lose you?

SPEAKER_05 2:11:44

No, no, yeah, I'm with you.

SPEAKER_00 2:11:46

Yeah, so it's like creating an idea. So there's even the aspect of people saying that Satan, the the idea of Satan or the devil doesn't really exist. It's just your mind vibrating on a lower frequency. That's why they say that. There's this theory that um so based on the kundalini, the kundalini framework, which is like they say the new age way of thinking, uh spirituality is based on is the serpent, they call it the serpent. Um there's a name for it, but basically it's the kundalini spirit, and it's it's based on the different chakra points that you have. So you have the head, so it starts the bottom, your feet, your heel, then in a pandanyu, I think your knee, then your hip, then your then your heart chakra. No, sorry, not your heart chakra, sorry, before the heart chakra, then there is the chakra of like the base where you know we do the mm-mm, you know, that chakra, and then and every point is an energy point, and then there's the stomach, and then there's the heart, and then there's the throat chakra, and then there's the mind chakra, and then there's the penile gland. So when you're able to vibrate on these chakras and take yourself to the highest chakra, is when you're able to access that divine intelligence that we spoke about through the penile gland. But when you're vibrating on lower frequency, it means that you're vibrating below uh what's this called, below the normal conscious mind, then you're accessing um like a negative framework of thinking. So you'll always be thinking like that. I give you an example. All right, no trolling.

SPEAKER_05 2:13:33

Don't sweat it.

SPEAKER_00 2:13:35

Um, so you know how media right now or the music industry focuses on sex?

SPEAKER_05 2:13:43

Music, okay.

SPEAKER_00 2:13:44

Yeah, like it's very sexual. Like some of the music that they sing is very, it's very sexual, even the visuals are sexual, right? Yeah. Now this sexual aspect is basically a form of energy that low that vibrates on the lower frequency, which is the lower chakra, which is the chakra I told you about that's down here.

SPEAKER_06 2:14:08

Yeah, okay, right?

SPEAKER_00 2:14:10

Um, when you vibrate on that lower frequency, that means you're only vibrating, you're only operating on the physical plane, which is the physical, you're physical. You feel you, you you are attracted physically, you you're vibrating physically. But when you take things higher to the heart's chakra or to the penile gland, things become lighter in the spiritual sense. So you think with your heart and not your so as you go higher, you have to think less physical and more um mental. Less physical, more mental. That's how you bring up your vibration. So even when you feel aroused or you feel like you are attracted to you want to do something, right? If you act upon it, you are vibrating on that frequency. But if you don't act upon it and you allow that emotion or that feeling to transcend and you let it transcend, then it's like you're you're lifting your your spirituality and you're vibrating on a higher frequency because it's not physical for you. And they normally say that when you're able to do that and master that, that means you become a master creator. You become a master creator and you also learn how to really utilize the energy that you were feeling, bring it up, and use that to create. So a lot of a lot of people who they normally say, have you ever have you ever heard the saying that creative people are people who are uh tend to be not horny, but they are also very inclined to connect intimately with people.

SPEAKER_05 2:16:03

Yeah, yeah, I've heard of that stereotype.

SPEAKER_00 2:16:04

Yeah, you heard of that, right? So it's because that creative energy comes originally from down there. So when you yeah, because when you have sex, you procreate, right? Yes, so when creation, yes, so when you when you're pro-creating, that energy formed, that aha, that big bang theory, that moment, yeah, yeah, comes to the perception, not perception, interception of life, and then that's when a being is formed. So that energy that has formed yours and mine and come together and act upon it physically forms something in the physical. But imagine if you didn't physically act upon it and you rose your vibration and you elevated your thoughts and you used that energy to put into an idea and create that idea, you'd be surprised what it can do.

SPEAKER_05 2:17:13

I mean, earlier on you mentioned about the music industry, and I'm actually curious about the stereotype around it and about the symbolism in it, the the the worshiping of Satan, and and the whole idea of that it's definitely not on the right m path, righteous path. And I wanted to know what's your what's your thought on it, or if you have ever like thought of it like that.

SPEAKER_00 2:17:40

Well, I do work in the music industry, right? Yes, you do. Um, yes, I have my reservations about the music industry, but I'm not gonna sit here and lie about the fact that the music infrast industry has been infiltrated by um by Satan's army, I like to put it, because of the perceptions around it. Um a lot of the a lot of the music that's been put out there, especially now, has been built to basically program the subconscious mind. That's why I don't know if you've ever heard of certain rap music having subliminal messages or subliminal messaging in their music that basically alters the state of mind. So there's some music that even you can't listen to because it wouldn't all it wouldn't resonate with your state of mind. Like for instance, I don't know if you some if you listen to things like rock or heavy metal rock.

SPEAKER_01 2:18:43

No.

SPEAKER_00 2:18:43

Now, people who listen to heavy metal rock, I'm not saying that they're a certain way, but if you sit down and really try to peel off all the layers of their psyche, you'll see that their music is heavily influenced the person that they are. And that just generally what music does, because music is language for the soul, it speaks to the soul. Um, and the easiest way to infiltrate them, like to infiltrate the minds of the youth and um the community is through music. So I do definitely believe that the music industry has been infiltrated by Satan and there's a lot of evil around it, but not all music is evil, yeah, not all music is like uh yeah, it's very, very, very touchy because it's created this perception that anyone who gets into music is now worshiping the devil or is practicing rituals and whatnot, but that's not the case. I really think that uh when it comes to music, it's a language that speaks to the soul. And I believe that those who are given um the gift of singing or the gift of music are genuinely gifted by uh the creator for a sole purpose of healing. And there are certain qualities of music that I think are very um harmonious to this lifestyle. I mean, sorry, to this life form in on here on earth. So, like healing, um, elevation, like if you want to elevate your mind, if you want to focus, like there's different things that music does, but it also can be used for the negative, like for instance, um putting ideologies in people's heads, creating um uh what's this called conflict of interest, causing people to vibrate on lower frequencies because they constantly think about sex, you know, things like that. So it's the easiest way to basically infiltrate the minds of people.

SPEAKER_06 2:20:50

Damn.

SPEAKER_00 2:20:51

So I really think all the subliminal messaging in music is all controlled by those who run the industry. And it really just depends who and what you're working for and what agenda you're working for. Because at the end of the day, whatever you do, something that speaks to the soul, that means there needs to be some sort of like offering. And that offering is always either your your general soul or what it is that you want to give in exchange. Because there is that connotation of like, oh, CJUI, um, you operate in the music industry, you're an artist. That means you sold your soul to the devil. Yeah. That's not always the case. But the case is that at the end of the day, what systems are you running in? Um uh how do you understand the industry? How you can bypass, you know, certain things. And sometimes people do say you can't really bypass, you know, um, fame and you can't do this. I think that if you're genuinely made to sing and you're genuinely made to move a crowd, I believe that God has put that consciousness and gift in you to move the masses. So you're there for a reason, there's a purpose. So whether you're made to heal people, whether you're made to speak to people, whether you're made to give people a message, it's it all ties into one purpose.

SPEAKER_05 2:22:20

Um, Claire, before I let you go, I want to know where where are you right now in the state in your journey and figuring out everything and the truth about life, about the earth.

SPEAKER_00 2:22:37

I'm like I said earlier, I'm still in this, I'm still learning and I'm still discovering. But I can say that right now I'm in a place where I know that we are definitely infinite beings that exist on this physical plane, and I truly believe that we are we are experiencing that human experience, but the main purpose is to come back to source, and if we are all connected to source and we are all part of source, and source lives in us, I believe that source in general, or this energy, is basically learning itself and learning the evolution of itself as well, so it's like learning more about yourself. So I know this is a bit controversial, but I believe that God is God because he lives through us, through our experiences. And it he he is he exists on this plane because he's experiencing life and what it has to be. But at the end of the day, it's really about discovering and remembering who we truly are. So I feel like this plane earth that we live in is a simulation that we're going through basically to rediscover who we truly are. And for those who don't rediscover who they are or discover who they truly are and where their purpose lies, then that when they go back to source, it will repeat itself until source has learned the lesson that they need to learn.

SPEAKER_05 2:24:25

Reincarnation type thing.

SPEAKER_00 2:24:28

Yes, sort of like a reincarnation. But a reincarnation is when you're stuck in a loop.

SPEAKER_05 2:24:32

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 2:24:33

But I feel that yes, we could be stuck in a loop based on the format of like the way the world is and the matrix we're in. But when we look at it from a subconscious point of view as to uh correlating with the higher divine power, I believe that it's it's the existence of us being here is really trying to understand who we truly are and who we're truly connected to. So that's a the source and what also, I also believe that would it be crazy to think that God also has a sense of humor to basically try to figure out if I was to give people um uh what do you call it, like uh freedom of choice, what would the outcome really, really be? You see? Split myself in millions of pieces and see what the outcome would be based on the different choices that I give my million pieces away. What that out, what what would that outcome be? You see? And generally for me, I've always asked myself that question, like, especially for the past two, like two to three years when I had a uh like um a near-death experience where I lost um basically, I almost lost my son that I currently have now. I had him at an early age, I had him at uh seven months, and I had a complication. So unfortunately, the pregnancy got cut in like in the mid, midway, because I had a complication that could have been that was detrimental to my life and the child's life. So I had to be rushed to the hospital, and that was a near-death experience for me, but not as much as the previous one. So I've been so I did tell you earlier that I've been through a series of events that have brought me to so close to death, and the things I experienced within that time frame of realizing that I'm approaching death and the experience of coming out of it has been completely life-changing for me. So, within these past couple of years, as I begin to rediscover myself and find out, like, who is my who's my God? Where do I originate from? What is my true purpose? Why have I constantly been going through series of events that have been taking me to near death experiences, but I haven't and I'm still here? What is it? What is it and why am I here? So I'm in that point where I'm still discovering myself and I'm still discovering my purpose. However, I do know that I've been put here for a reason, and I am going through something that is evolving, and I can't say that this is right or this is wrong, because coming from someone who used to have a very rigid point of view, like, no, nihivi. Any what I was told no hey, and you kniambi otherwise, I'll be like, nah, you see, um, because I'm also I have that nature of being perfect, you know, if it's this, it's this. Niambia, any other than that. But currently, I've also learned something that during my experiences, um, God is showing me that this life we exist in is so much bigger than ourselves. Number one. Number two, there is definitely a divine power out there that explains why our existence is here. Whether it is in the form of a God, a divine intelligence, or a form of an ancient civilization that is basically uh created us and we're their experiments, or um, it's we're just life living in some sort of grid of consciousness. Whatever the case is, all I know is that there is there are truths out there that people don't know about. And it's because of the systems that we are in, it's because of the mind frames that people have been succumbed to, and it's also because of the societies that have been built around um our way of thinking. And I think that people like us, like you and me, when we when we sit and we discuss these things, there is no right or wrong, but we're putting out information that will be able to not only educate the masses but keep them aware.

SPEAKER_05 2:29:16

Build awareness.

SPEAKER_00 2:29:17

Yes, build awareness, exactly. And I think that's really a that's really what the journey is about. How I have a question for you. No trolling. How, or I'm supposed to ask the question first, right? How do you see your evolution today? And how does how how has your belief affected your evolution today? When you say evolution, do you feel meaning you evolving, you evolve-evolving as a person, yeah, evolving as a person, how you describe yourself as a person? And when you say person, I think person is so vague, but I could say human being, but person is more like the encompassing of everything else. So your physical body, your mental, your spiritual, all in all.

SPEAKER_05 2:30:03

So you asking that particular question and that my mental, physical, everything. Yes, everything in general. How has it changed from what point in my life?

SPEAKER_00 2:30:11

So my question was that how do you see your evolution now? Now compared to no, how do you how do you like how do you see your evolution now based on the belief system that you have?

SPEAKER_05 2:30:27

Okay. So growing up for me, I've always been the type of guy who follows what they're being told. I've said this before, and I never really questioned anything and really never thought of anything. I was just like, go to church or do your homework or do stuff like that, you know what I mean? But then everything changed when I started like having responsibilities, and I felt some not peaceful in my heart about certain certain things I was doing. Like, like I was not feeling peaceful. I was like, my heart is not content with it, it's not accepting the fact that I'm doing that. It's like my body was telling me, What are you doing? Like, well, you stop doing that. You know what I mean? And that's when I started like actually questioning the way the things I was doing. And when I started like just following my heart or like just looking within for answers rather than seeking outside, that's when I truly, truly started being aware of what I'm capable of, of the the idea of manifestation, it was more clear to me. I can speak some things to existence just because I believe it's gonna happen. You know, not because I was told to believe so or anything like that. So for me, it was more so like after starting to like be aware and building an open mind. Now my mind, I could say, and my spirit or like body or being human in general, I'm just like uh I flow with the wind. I'm more of a guy right now. I just flow with what my body is telling me or what my mind is telling me. I'm not really you know, in like I wanna do you know, how should I explain this? It's not like I have a system of doing things, I just go with what I feel.

SPEAKER_00 2:32:32

So would you say that is I've evolved to that. Okay, so my question was that so I'm gonna rephrase it because I'm trying to still try to get the answer from you. Has your belief or your belief played a part in that evolution?

SPEAKER_05 2:32:51

Yes, it has. Uh, because I used to go to a church, a certain church, where they they told us a bunch of stuff that were definitely not normal to compare to other churches. So for the longest time, I used to think that was right. You know what I mean? I used to think that was the right path for me, and I used to solely believe I was in the right path. But when things didn't start making sense to me, that's when I questioned the church, and I was like, nah, stopped going to church, and now I'm just I felt peace after that. You know what I mean? So that's the part that belief played. And I I for me, sadly for me, I didn't I believed in the church more compared to the the teachings, the message, yeah. Yeah, I believed in the church and what the church is teaching.

SPEAKER_00 2:33:43

Because unfortunately, that's the inconsistency of man. Like, I mean, uh I'm not saying that all churches are are don't stick to what they're supposed to do, but unfortunately there's a lot of uh what's this called, there's a lot that happens within. The church hierarchy and the church just in general, only because they they tend to only they want to retain people, they want to retain people to stay at their church, they want people to be loyal and connected to it, so they have they do certain things and they promise certain things and they create certain things to make it feel like I want to need Yaalisana, they care about me and whatnot, but it's also a form of control. That's why I said that the Roman, why did the Roman Empire decide that Christianity was going to be the Roman Empire? You see what I'm saying? Because what did it what it what is it right now? It's run by the Vatican, right? The Roman Empire, the Vatican are one, and they built that because uh, I mean, they formulated that and went that direction because it was the easiest way to control people, control the way they think. Yeah, you know, if you're told that don't do the do this or God will strike you, don't do this, and this will happen. So at the end of the day, is that even though the message was pure, but man-made religion is made to put fear in the hearts of people so that it is easy for them to control.

SPEAKER_03 2:35:14

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 2:35:15

And now that's where the conspiracies of the reptiles and whatnot come in because they're those kind of people, right? But I mean, I really think for anybody out there listening to this podcast, um, to be honest with you, there is no right or wrong right now. And I'm not gonna stand on the side and say, you know, Christianity is the only way, and you know, Muslim isn't, or I mean Islam isn't, or Buddha isn't, and whatnot. No. But I am gonna say that I personally believe in the teachings of Yahshua, who is known as Jesus. By the way, the reason also the reason why I don't uh like to call Jesus or Yahshua Jesus is because there is a story that highlights that the concept of Jesus comes from the deity um Zeus. Zeus, the God of thunder. Is Zeus the God of Thunder? I think the God of Thunder. The God of Thunder or light or lightning or something like that.

SPEAKER_05 2:36:17

Yeah, yeah, lightning, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 2:36:18

Yes, so there is interesting correlations there of the things that he did in his time and the things that Jesus did as well, and the things that he created. There's like correlation. So people are like, okay, what if Jesus, the name Jesus is or the figure Jesus has been created outside of the teachings of Yahshua, made as another deity to control the masses. Because if you look at the teachings of Jesus or the Bible, let's say if you look at the Bible and you open up the Bible and the descriptions of Jesus, Jesus was described as a black man, a man of color, in the sense that he had hair that symbolized wool. So, you know, hair that symbolizes wool is, you know, African hair, right? Um, the way they described him, he, you know, his Aramic features and whatnot. But then you see a lot of the Jesus figures that are put out there, they're white, right? White Caucasian Jesus figures. And in most cases, he has a halo around his head, which is also referenced to a lot of the Lord, lords, and um worshipped uh what do you call it? Worshipped lords or mythol mythological lords that were in the Greek mythology. They also had like halos and whatnot. And then there's also the sign where people say it's the sign of peace or something like that. He does this, like there's a sign where he hold he's holding his heart and he's doing this. Oh just just if you look up a normal Jesus uh picture, right? I think a normal Jesus photo where he has kind of like his hand like this, and he has the halo, and then he's kind of like doing this with his hand. But the funny thing is that if you also look at one of the satanic lords called Baphomet, who is the Lord of the child sacrifices, he also stands, okay, he stands with his legs crossed and he's he's that god with the with the horns, right? Goat head and body figure. But he's also sitting in, he's also like in the same gesture position where he's holding his hands like that. So at the end of the day, if you really dig deep, you're you ask yourself, is that is that the Jesus they're portraying today, is that the real Jesus in the Bible? Or is that something that's been created for us to worship that doesn't even exist? You see, also if you look into Russia, if you go to the churches in Russia, they've depicted Jesus as a black Jesus. Everything around the stories of Jesus are focused on black people. So even his disciples were black. Um during the during his time, most of the people were black. So there's a lot of hearsay, there say that you know the origins of the Bible and the truth of it, or spirituality lies within the black people.

SPEAKER_05 2:39:28

Okay, so yeah, you said it's a lot. I mean, I mean, that's uh one of the ways to end the podcast. And uh that was episode 92, man with Claire. And hopefully you've you know we've picked your brain a little bit. And if you are more of this, you'll obviously let us know. But uh yeah, it was amazing having you, and I appreciate you sharing your thoughts and opinions on these matters.

SPEAKER_00 2:39:55

What do you think though, at the end of the day?

SPEAKER_05 2:39:58

I feel like people should just do what they want, follow your heart. And if you want to dive into this rabbit hole, dive away.

SPEAKER_00 2:40:06

Yeah, dive away. But disclaimer. Yeah, always do your research and don't always take everything you find out as truth. Yeah, dig deep and search within yourself as well for answers. Because I also believe that as a conscious, as in our subconscious, we have the answers. Just like how you said that after you started looking from within, yeah, um, you felt better. You felt like you felt there's pro you felt like there's progression. There you're moving forward instead of feeling stagnant. And I really think that that's the point here that if you really want to evolve, whether it's spiritually, your mind, and everything, do the research, find out, but also look from within. Look from within, like don't look outside of yourself. And I think that's really where Jesus' teachings stem from. It's all about within the powers inside you, not outside of you.

SPEAKER_05 2:41:04

Okay. Until next time, peace.