The Psychology Edge for Financial Advisers

Seen, Heard, Understood

PsycFin Season 1 Episode 8

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How your clients' words reveal the channel their brain trusts


For two years, a client told her adviser she needed to "sit with it." He filed it under caution. He was wrong. She was telling him, in almost every sentence, exactly how her brain took in information, and he never heard it. Every client has a dominant channel: they take in the world by seeing it, hearing it, or feeling it. This episode adds the sensory layer on top of the four styles, so you can tune not just what you say but how it enters the client's nervous system. The clue is sitting in their own words.


In this episode:

  • The client who said "I need to sit with this" for two years.
  • Visual, auditory, kinaesthetic, the three channels.
  • The vocabulary tells you everything: see, hear, and feel words.
  • Why "seen, heard, understood" are three distinct things, not one.
  • Combining the styles and the channels: why a visual Commander is a different experience from a kinaesthetic Guardian.


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Sponsor: The Psychology Edge for Financial Advisers is sponsored by PsycFin, the communication intelligence platform for financial advisers. Learn more at psycfin.com.


About PsycFin: PsycFin is the communication intelligence platform for financial advisers. It profiles each client's behavioural style and sensory preferences, then shows you what to say and how to say it, in language each client can interpret and trust.

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This is the Psychology Edge for Financial Advisors, Communication Intelligence for Financial Advisors. Sponsored by Psychfin. Episode 8. Seen, heard, understood.

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You know, usually when you sit down to review a client's portfolio, the numbers sort of do the heavy lifting, right?

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Oh, absolutely. I mean, the math is entirely objective. It's it's clean, it's verifiable, and frankly, it's just comforting for us as professionals.

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Yeah, we have this massive bias toward believing that, you know, robust data just speaks for itself.

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Aaron Powell Right, because it does well, to us anyway.

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Aaron Powell But then you're sitting across the mahogany desk from an actual complex human being. You present this flawless, bulletproof retirement projection, and and they hesitate.

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Yeah, they lean back.

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Aaron Powell Exactly. Yeah. Suddenly that objective clarity is completely murky. They aren't buying in, and you're just sitting there wondering uh did I miscalculate their risk tolerance?

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Aaron Powell It is the absolute definition of the advisor's dilemma. I mean, the math is perfect, the strategy is completely sound, but the message just bounces right off this invisible wall between you and the client.

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Aaron Powell, which is really the core mission of our deep dive today. So if you're listening to this, you're an experienced financial advisor, you already know your clients well.

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Right. You're not a rookie.

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Yeah. You're highly fluent in the four behavioral styles. You know the commander, the analyst, the guardian, and the connector. You already know how your clients make decisions.

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But today, we're going underneath that.

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Right. We're looking at the foundational layer below the behavioral style. Like the actual biological mechanics of how your clients take information into their brains in the first place.

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Aaron Powell Because if the information doesn't physically get through their sensory gateway, the behavioral style doesn't even come into play. It's irrelevant.

SPEAKER_02

It's like trying to run uh high-level software on a computer that hasn't even been plugged into a power source yet.

SPEAKER_01

Aaron Powell That's a great way to put it.

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So our source material today opens with this story that just it captures the tragedy of this perfectly. Picture an advisor with a steady, loyal client of two years.

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Okay.

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They're in an annual review meeting. The advisor hands her this beautifully structured, custom printed summary of her retirement projection. He walks her through it, literally page by page, charting out the next 30 years.

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And she's probably nodding along, right?

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Yeah, nodding politely the entire time. The advisor finishes the presentation, waits for the confirmation, and she just looks at the glossy paper and says, I need to sit with it for a while.

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Wow. And you know, most advisors in that scenario diagnose the situation as just a personality cork.

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Totally. They assume she's just a cautious individual.

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Right. Someone who naturally requires a longer runway to make a commitment. They think, oh, it's just how she is.

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Aaron Powell But the reality underneath that interaction was completely different. Like it wasn't about Cartian at all. Trevor Burrus, Jr.

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No, not at all. She was a kinesthetic client.

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Right.

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She processes the world and makes sense of really complex data through feeling. And for two years, this advisor had been speaking strictly to her eyes. Trevor Burrus, Jr.

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Handing her printed pages, pointing at charts, highlighting graphs.

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Exactly. Meanwhile, her brain was desperately trying to listen through her body.

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Which is just a massive disconnect. And it happens, what, thousands of times a day in financial offices across the country?

SPEAKER_01

Oh, easily. I mean, the advisor was doing excellent, thorough, fiduciary level work, but he was literally broadcasting on a frequency her brain lacked the antenna to receive. Yeah. We really have to move past treating um communication styles as some loose, soft skills metaphor. This is biological reality.

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Hardwired.

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Exactly. Before a single piece of your advice can change a client's mind or or secure their commitment, it has to physically enter their nervous system through their senses.

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Aaron Powell I think we need to dive deep into the cognitive load of that mismatch. Like if an HDMI cable is useless to a USB port, what is actually happening in the client's brain when we plug in the wrong wire?

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Aaron Powell Well, to understand the cognitive load, you really have to look at the sensory hierarchy of the human brain. You know, information doesn't just magically teleport into our conscious awareness.

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Right. It arrives through the eyes, the ears, and the body.

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Exactly. And the critical data point here for anyone in a persuasive profession is this everyone has a dominant channel.

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Aaron Powell And the breakdown is pretty specific, right?

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Aaron Powell Yeah. Roughly 40% of the population is primarily visual, 20% is primarily auditory. And the remaining 40% is primarily kinesthetic.

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Aaron Powell So 40, 20, 40.

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Right. And obviously we all utilize all three senses, but your dominant channel is your primary gateway. It's the neurological filter that determines whether a piece of data actually feels trustworthy to you.

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So when there is a mismatch, say the advisor is presenting a very visual spreadsheet to an auditory client, the client's brain has to work overtime to translate that visual data into an internal voice just to understand it.

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And that translation process is exactly where you lose them.

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Aaron Powell Really? Just from the translation.

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Yeah. When the prefrontal cortex is expending massive amounts of energy just trying to convert a complex bar chart into a narrative that makes sense to their auditory brain, it has zero bandwidth left.

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Oh wow.

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It has no energy left to evaluate the trustworthiness or or the brilliance of your financial plan. They literally just get exhausted.

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Aaron Powell And when the human brain gets exhausted by a presentation, it defaults to let me think about it.

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Every single time.

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That brings up the immediate practical challenge for the advisor, though. I mean, if these channels are a hardwired biological reality, how do you diagnose the hardware without making the client take a pop quiz in a lobby?

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Right, you can't just hand them a survey.

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No. We need to know which port they have. So let's start with the visuals, the 40%, because they seem to broadcast their processing speed quite literally.

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They absolutely do. Visual clients are highly attentive to spatial reality. They're usually sharply dressed, and they're really precise with the physical space in front of them.

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Oh, like squaring up the notepad or the coffee cup on the desk.

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Yes, exactly. And they make intense direct eye contact. But crucially, they tend to speak very quickly.

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Aaron Powell The speed is what fascinates me here. It's not just that they're in a hurry, it's because mental images move at light speed, right?

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That's the exact mechanism. They are literally watching a movie in their head and trying to dictate it to you in real time. Because pictures are instantaneous. And because they process the world visually, they struggle immensely with long, purely verbal explanations.

SPEAKER_02

So if I just sit there and talk at a visual client for 20 minutes.

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Oh, their mind is going to drift. Unless you point to a diagram or draw on a whiteboard or give them a spatial map of your strategy, they'll check out. They need an anchor for their eyes to keep their brain engaged.

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They need to see the map.

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Yeah.

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Got it. Then we have the auditory clients who make up about 20% of the population. I imagine handing them a 50-page printed report is, well, it's not the slam dunk it is for the visual client.

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Right. It might actually be a huge liability.

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Really?

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Yeah, because auditory clients inhabit their bodies differently. They have a much more relaxed posture. A massive tell is that they'll often tilt their heads slightly to one side.

SPEAKER_02

Well, literally turning an ear toward you while you speak.

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Exactly. They might dress nicely, sure, but their primary mode of communication isn't visual presentation, it's the cadence of the interaction.

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The rhythm of the conversation.

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Yes. They notice microscopic shifts in your vocal tone. If you hesitate for even a fraction of a second, or or your energy drops when discussing a specific asset.

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Their brain registers that audio cue as a threat.

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Yes, before you even realize you changed your pitch.

SPEAKER_02

Wow. So they don't need the printed report to be convinced. They need the conversation about the report to sound completely resonant and like logically rhythmic.

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Precisely. And that leaves the final 40% the kinesthetic clients.

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Ah, the woman in our opening story who needed to sit with it.

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The very same.

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Let's break down the mechanics of the kinesthetic brain. Because, you know, in an industry that is so obsessed with speed and efficiency and instant digital signatures, this client requires a completely different gear.

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They really do. Kinesthetic clients process the world through bodily sensation and physical intuition.

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So they dress differently too.

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Typically, yes. They tend to dress for comfort rather than sharp visual impact. In your office, they might sit closer to you or or settle deeply into a chair in a way a visual client just never would.

SPEAKER_02

And their processing speed is significantly slower. Right.

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Yes. Much slower.

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Because feelings take much longer to metabolize than pictures or sounds. The nervous system requires this physical sense of grounding before their logical brain can even engage with the complex numbers.

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That's it, exactly. Rushing a kinesthetic client is the fastest way to lose them.

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Just pushing for the close.

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Right. If you try to accelerate their decision-making process, you disrupt the internal physical mechanism their brain requires to arrive at confidence. They literally need to pass your advice over their internal sense of whether a situation feels settled or unsettled.

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Okay, hold on. I by the body language tells and I absolutely recognize those differing speeds in my own clients. But our source material claims that the absolute best way to diagnose their channel is by listening to their vocabulary. It is. Like visuals use sight words like I see or picture this. Auditories use sound words like that rings true or loud and clear. Canesthetics use feeling words like feel solid or I need to get a handle on this? I I have to push back on this a bit. My clients are highly intelligent, successful people. You know, if I look at a visual client and say, let me walk you through how this feels, they aren't stupid. They know I'm explaining the financial plan.

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Right. They know what you mean.

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They understand the dictionary definition of the word feels. Are you seriously saying that a mismatched verb can actually derail a high-level strategic meeting?

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It absolutely can, and it does every single day.

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Seriously. Just the verb.

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Yes, because you you're assuming the goal of the meeting is basic intellectual comprehension. It's not. Okay. The goal of the meeting is trust and truth verification. It is not about whether they understand the dictionary definition of your words. It's about how their specific brain verifies reality. Ah, I see. If you say, let me show you how this looks to a visual client, their neurological pathway lights up. The HDMI cable clicks into place, they lean in.

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But if I say, let me walk you through how this feels for that exact same visual client.

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Aaron Powell You introduce cognitive friction.

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So they understand me, but it doesn't resonate as true to them. It feels slightly alien.

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Aaron Powell Exactly. You've created a translation barrier. Mismatched language floats in the room, matched language sticks to the brain.

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Aaron Powell Okay, that makes sense.

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Think about it. If you tell an auditory client, take a look at this chart, they might politely glance at the paper, but their immediate response will be, can you talk me through it?

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Right. I've had that happen so many times.

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Because the visual data simply does not register as real or safe to them until they hear the logic behind it spoken aloud.

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That is a profound shift in perspective. And honestly, it completely redefines a concept that is practically a cliche in our industry.

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Which one?

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Every client retention seminar, every satisfaction survey, they all preach that your ultimate goal is to make the client feel seen, heard, and understood.

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Oh, yes, the holy trinity of client relationships.

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Exactly. But the industry treats seen, heard, and understood as a monolith. We treat it like a general warm bedside manner.

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Like it's all just one big violence.

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Right. We assume that if we make good eye contact, show a little empathy, ask about their kids, boom, they feel seen, heard, and understood. But looking at the mechanics of these sensory channels, those aren't synonyms at all.

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No, they are.

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They are three highly distinct mechanical triggers.

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They're entirely different psychological experiences based on the client's hardware. Seen is literally what the visual client demands. Oh, wow. When a visual client says, I feel seen by my advisor, they don't mean you have a warm, fuzzy personality. They mean my advisor provides spatial clarity, they respect my time, they show me the big picture, and they use visual language that my brain can effortlessly process.

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And heard is exactly what the auditory client is craving.

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Exactly.

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They feel heard when you speak with a tone, a rhythm, and a logical flow that matches their internal cadence. They want to hear the consistency and confidence in your voice.

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Right. If your tone wavers, they don't feel heard, they feel anxious.

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Which leaves understood for the kind aesthetic client.

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Yes. For them, being understood has very little to do with your verbal brilliance. It's physical.

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It's all about your physical presence. It's the physical sense of solidity, patience, and care in the room. They feel known and understood when you give them the physical space and the unhurried silence to let a massive life decision settle in their gut.

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I find this incredibly liberating, honestly, because there's so much pressure on financial professionals to manufacture this universally charismatic one-size-fits-all persona.

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Exhausting, isn't it?

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It really is. But you don't have to do that. You just have to supply the specific sensory experience that their individual nervous system requires to feel safe.

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Right. You aren't changing your authentic self, you're just changing the broadcast frequency.

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Which moves client communication from some mysterious art form into a very practical, observable science.

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You stop guessing why an interaction feels off and you simply diagnose the channel.

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Well, this brings us to the ultimate application. We now have two distinct frameworks in play. We have this foundational sensory layer, the visual, auditory, and kinesthetic channels.

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And sitting on top of that, we have the behavioral styles that our listeners navigate every day: the commander, the analyst, the guardian, and the connector. So how do these two layers interact in a live meeting?

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Aaron Powell This is where the profound breakthroughs really happen. The core rule to anchor onto is this behavioral style determines what the client needs to feel in order to make a decision. The sensory channel determines how they need to receive that information.

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I really want to frame that clearly for everyone listening. Style dictates what you say. Channel dictates how you deliver it.

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Exactly. Let's apply that to the commander style. A commander is decisive, direct, and they want the bottom line fast.

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Right.

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But a visual commander is a drastically different meeting experience than a kinesthetic commander.

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The visual commander seems pretty straightforward. Sharpsuit, organized desk, direct eye contact.

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Right.

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To get them to decide quickly, you just show them the bottom line on a single clean chart. They see the data, they verify the picture, they make the call, and you move on.

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But the kinesthetic commander still wants to move fast, yet the delivery has to completely shift.

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How so?

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Well, there will be a physical weight to their presence, a firm commanding handshake. You do not just flash a spreadsheet at them.

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Okay. What do you do?

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You have to provide a physical firmness in your own posture. You present the bottom line, and then you give them a beat, a moment of silence.

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And letting them sit with it.

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Yes. To let the decision physically feel right in their gut. And once it feels solid, they commit just as fast as the visual commander. But the mechanism of getting there was entirely physical, not visual.

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Aaron Powell And if you hand a dense visual chart to a kinesthetic commander.

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You actually slow them down and irritate them because you're forcing them to translate your visual data into a gut feeling. Trevor Burrus, Jr.

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Right. The cognitive friction again. That friction is exactly why meetings stall. Now, if we apply that same friction to the analyst.

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Oh, the analyst is fascinating.

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Right. Because both a visual analyst and an auditory analyst crave detail, structure, and historical data. They always want to look under the hood.

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Aaron Ross Powell They do. But the visual analyst is the one sitting across from you with color-coded notes.

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Highlighters and everything.

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Oh yeah. They ask about the layout of your projections. They need to see the architecture of the portfolio spatially.

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Okay.

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The auditory analyst, on the other hand, is listening to you with terrifying precision.

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Terrifying.

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Literally. They will remember exactly what you said three meetings ago.

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Oh, I know those clients.

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Right. They don't need the color-coded chart. They need your logic to sound perfectly consistent over time. If your phrasing changes or your tone drops when discussing a specific asset class, they notice it immediately and the trust breaks.

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I imagine this is incredibly high stakes for a guardian, too.

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Absolutely.

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Because the guardian style is hardwired to seek safety and minimize risk. So if you have an auditory guardian, it's not enough to just hand them a chart showing a safely diversified portfolio.

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Not at all.

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They literally need to hear your voice say the explicit words, your family is protected.

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Yes. They need that audio clip so they can go home and replay the sound of your confident voice in their head when they get anxious.

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And contrast that with a kinesthetic guardian who needs physical safety. The meeting room literally needs to feel like a safe, unhurried harbor before their brain can process a single piece of financial content.

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Exactly. They lean in, they require your physical loyalty and just a very grounded presence.

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And finally, we have the connector. Connectors are relationship driven. They want enthusiasm and human alignment.

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Right. An auditory connector thrives on the natural rhythm of a great back and forth conversation.

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Aaron Powell The banter.

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Yeah. If the conversation feels alive, if there's a shared cadence and laughter, the meeting is a success. But a visual connector needs to see the shared future. They light up when you show them aspirational images, like a visual roadmap of a retirement they can actually picture themselves stepping into alongside their family.

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Aaron Powell The implication of combining these two layers is massive. You could have two clients with the exact same behavioral style. You could have two brilliant analysts or two cautious guardians. But if their sensory channels are different, you, as the advisor, must use completely different vocabulary and a completely different physical delivery for the meeting to succeed.

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That is the reality of human neurobiology. It completely explains why a brilliant pitch that worked flawlessly at 10 in the morning completely bombs at 2 in the afternoon with a prospect who looks identical on paper.

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Because at 10 in the morning you were an HDMI plugging into an HDMI port, and at 2 in the afternoon, you were jamming an HDMI cable into a USB port.

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Exactly.

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It was never about the quality of the financial advice. It was purely a hardware mismatch.

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So the real takeaway is intentionality. The selection of verbs you use in a meeting, whether you say, look at this, listen to this, or sit with this, should never be random.

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It shouldn't just be your own default.

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No, it shouldn't be based on your own instinct or your own sensory preference. You deliberately construct your phrasing based on the client's behavioral pattern, which tells you what they need to decide.

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And their sensory channel, which is the exact frequency their brain recognizes as clarity and care. Well, to wrap up our deep dive today, we've focused heavily on the one-on-one meeting environment. But I want to leave you with a provocative thought about your firm's broader footprint.

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Oh, this is a good point.

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Think about the environment you've built before you even shake a client's hand. You know, you likely spent tens of thousands of dollars perfecting the visual branding of your website, making sure the aesthetics scream competence and success.

SPEAKER_01

Right, which is fantastic for your visual prospects.

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Exactly. But what happens when an auditory prospect reads the copy on your site? Does it sound conversational and logically rhythmic? Or does it sound like a dense, silent textbook? Hmm. And consider the kind aesthetic prospect who walks into your waiting room. If your lobby is highly polished, sterile, and filled with rigid modernist furniture, how does their body react?

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They're gonna feel unsatleep immediately.

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Right. Are you unintentionally repelling 60% of your market through sensory mismatch before you even have a chance to show them your expertise?

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It's a huge blind spot.

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So the next time a prospect hesitates or a client drags their feet on a recommendation, stop evaluating your math. Just close your eyes and listen to the verbs they are using to push back.

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Yes.

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Are they saying I can't picture it, it doesn't sound right, or I need to sit with it? Because once you hear the verb, the muddy waters clear up. You don't have to guess why they're hesitating, you just have to switch the cable to the right port.

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Absolutely.

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Thanks for joining us on this deep dive.

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We'll see you next time. The Psychology Edge for Financial Advisors is sponsored by Psychfin, the communication intelligence platform for financial advisors. Learn more at Psychfin.com. Here's your challenge this week. In your next week of meetings, write down the client's key phrases. Circle the see, hear, and feel words. Experiment with mirroring them in your own language, and notice what happens to their engagement. Psychfin bakes this into every report and draft message, so you're not trying to mentally track disk and VAC for a hundred clients at once. Thanks for listening.