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Miss AI Podcast
I sit down with founders, builders, and fascinating people to talk honestly about how AI is shaping their world and what's coming next.
Miss AI Podcast
1 Person. $1M Business. Zero Team. 1 Killer App.
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AJ grew up in New Delhi with no roadmap. He failed grade 12. Not once, but twice, which in India gets treated like a death sentence. At 17 he moved to the United States alone, with broken English and no network. He wanted more.
So he started building. From a single Google Doc and a Tumblr page, he grew Roomi from zero to 2.4 million users across more than 20 cities, all out of an underground studio in New York City. Then came Simplified, scaled to 20 million users and one of the first companies in the world to build on OpenAI's API. Along the way he raised over $29 million in venture capital and landed on the Forbes 30 Under 30 list.
Then he walked away from the venture playbook entirely.
Today AJ is the Vibe Founder. Over 300,000 followers on Instagram. 114,000 on LinkedIn. A newsletter closing in on 40,000 subscribers. Every Sunday he builds live in public, showing anyone who shows up that one person plus AI can now replace a whole company. His mission? Take a one-person business to $1 million in revenue, in public, by the end of the year, and give away the tools as he goes.
In this episode, AJ breaks down:
- Why he is building his own tool to kill the $1,000-a-month software he was paying for
- His personal AI operating system: the local agents that run his brand deals, content, and research
- How to build bulletproof skills, and why an agent is really just a stack of skills
- Open source vs closed source, US vs Chinese models, and when to use the cheap one over the best one
- The real math behind a one-person, million-dollar business (1,000 people paying $100)
- How to make your first $1,000 with AI, and why distribution is the one thing that still needs a human
If you have ever felt locked out of the AI conversation, this episode is the door in.
CHAPTERS
[00:00] Intro: building a one-person, $1M business
[02:30] Why he is killing the $1,000 tool he was paying for
[10:50] Open source vs closed source, US vs China
[18:50] Beating AI fatigue by building in public
[21:40] His personal AI operating system and agents
[28:00] OpenClaw, skills, and what an agent really is
[38:00] Chirper.ai and the road to your first $1,000
[59:20] What AI should never take from us
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My last month's bill was a thousand dollars. Why don't I build something myself as one person company? Because that's the whole idea with AI. AI versus the cost is the biggest debate that people don't think is gonna happen. There's a cost for people to say, f this, I'm going to build it.
SPEAKER_03If there was somebody who wants to start with AI, where they should start to make their first $1,000.
SPEAKER_00You should start with whatever the pinpoint or you think you could have solved in your daily life. Start there. As an example, I have an agent that reviews all of my brand deals. It learns a strategy of these agencies, these brands, remembers every single deal, every single detail. So it guides me to close better deals.
SPEAKER_03You've gone and raised $29 million from venture capital funding. And now you've just like flipped the whole entire narrative where you're like, I'm gonna build a one-person company.
SPEAKER_00Millions of people can build businesses that are worth a million dollars using AI. The most crucial thing in AI is the ability to think. It's not actually using AI.
SPEAKER_03AJ, welcome to the Miss AI podcast. Thank you for joining me. And today, if anybody is listening to this podcast, if you want to know how to build a one-person, one million dollar business, you need to listen up because we have the man in the house today. AJ, welcome.
SPEAKER_00Thank you. Thank you for having me. Super excited.
SPEAKER_03I'm just gonna give a wee rundown of uh a little bit of your background and journey. So they're now kind of hard to really know what they're in for. So AJ was a first generation immigrant who moved to the USA at 17 years old from New Delhi with broken English and no network. Later on, he managed to find his way onto the Forbes 30 under 30 list in the consumer technology. Uh, and this was also after failing twice grade 12 in India, which is apparently a bit of a death sentence. So we're gonna dive into that later on. And um, but anyway, with all these great accolades behind him, he went on to build Rumi. Uh pretty much just from a Google Docs and a Tumblr plate, and grew it from zero to 2.4 million users, touching over 20 cities around the world globally. And that all started out from an underground studio in uh New York City, closed that chapter and moved on to build Simplified, which was grew it to 20 million users and is also one of the first companies in the world to be using OpenAI's APIs. So across those two companies, he managed to raise over $29 million in venture capital funding. So that was like the old AJ, and I'm gonna fast forward to like right now the AJ. So AJ is known as the Vibe Founder Online, and vibing is his style. He is just figuring out how to use this AI technology to build tools that make money, essentially. He has managed to grow a newsletter to over 30,000, 35,000, 37,000 subscribers. And uh every Sunday he builds life for everybody, sort of breaking down the knowledge on just showing people that anybody can figure it out. So, anyway, I want to fast forward to absolutely just yesterday, AJ. You dropped some big source that you are about to release or build and release a tool that I think is going to really shake up the whole entire creators economy because I've been screaming out for somebody to do this. So here we go. I want to know the source. I mean, welcome to Misea Podcast. Loving to have you here. And today we're gonna um yeah, jump into all of these uh fun things. So, how does that sound to you?
SPEAKER_00Yeah, it's great, it's great, great, great, great exciting. You know, I used to do a lot of podcasts and I stopped doing all of them. So you were my first, first three podcasts, I would say.
SPEAKER_03Well, welcome back to the space. Let's get into the source. So, why don't we start off with um what you're building right now and uh tell us uh build the audience because some people might not know what many chat is and how you were going to break many chat.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, you know, I'll give a bit of context. So, as the the new life of my as the vibe founder, sort of the vibing and coding and telling people how I use AI in my in my life. I started using many chat, I think roughly four months ago, uh, as the account was growing. So basically on Instagram, when somebody says, like, hey, comment XYZ and I'll send you a guide or comment whatever, right? And you see this autoresponse coming from all these profiles, including mine, that is done by using softwares like Manichhat. Basically, you have a video that goes live and then you ask people to comment, and then on the response, the system automatically engages with the audience. And it can be like, hey, if you follow me, then I'll send you something, right? Or you don't have to follow me, you can just give me your email, I'll do something for you. So as I grew, and I've been talking to a lot of people, by the way, you know, I and I have no idea that who's paying how much, but my last month's bill was $1,000. So that means I grew a lot, and maybe this if there's people growing faster than me, right? So I started like maybe 30, 40 bucks or 50 bucks, and now within four months, I'm paying from whatever fifty dollars to the bill is like a thousand dollars. I'm like, this is a rip-off, you know? Like, why are you charging me so much money just because I'm growing so fast, right? Like, this is the whole point of like helping me grow, and then you charge my growth. And they do it in a sneaky way. Why they store these contacts for you, right? So they keep storing these contacts. So people who engage with your account, they're stored as contacts. And you because you can tag them, you can use them in the future, all these things. And because of this, my price keeps going up. So my idea is that why don't I build something myself as one person company? Because that's the whole idea with AI, that anybody in the world have the superpower to build a company on their own using only AI. So if that's true, why can't I use that to show people how to do it, but then do something that I painfully don't like anymore? You know? So I want to build sort of like my own many chat built by me as a creator, but also built by me as a single employee all of the day. And I show I want to show that entire journey from thinking to building to launching to making money, all of it. That's the idea.
SPEAKER_03And do you think that you'll be able to reduce that cost for creators from $1,000 perhaps down to $100 or whatever it might be, whatever the vision is. That is that possible because why is ManyChat not already doing this, or are they just taking advantage of all these creators that are growing rapidly fast? I mean, I've also suffered the same sort of expensive bills. That's why I'm like, yes, yes, someone's doing this. I like, I'm waiting for this product, you know? And I'm sure there are so many other creators out there that are calling out for this because you're right. You kind of get penalized for engaging with your audience, and um, it's like a necessary evil.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, yeah. I mean, you know, it's a venture-backed company. You know, they raise over $100 million in capital. So when you have this large company, you gotta have all these bills. Um, of course, you want to make a lot more money, right? I want to make money too, but I'm a single person. So the cost is not that, I don't think the cost is that much because you're using Facebook APIs. I don't get into details, but I ran two companies before. I think I can build that's of course, I know that already. I know that we can make money as well. I also have done businesses where we have made millions in revenue. So both statements are true. The last one is can I do this all with AI? Is question. And that's the journey, right? The journey is to really test the hypothesis if AI is there to help me build and run this entire thing by myself.
SPEAKER_03One thing that I had noticed about when you were solving this problem of many chat to yourself is it's not the first time that you've built a product that was just something that was annoying you, and then you were like, I'm gonna just build this myself because I can do it cheaper, faster, and probably better. Uh, and so do you want to go us into a little bit, like tell the audience that this is not your first time because uh use voice. You are using the whisper flow for anybody listening, which is a way that you can hold down a key on your keyboard and you can actually just talk to your computer and it'll transcribe your text to your voice to text in real time. So it's allowing you to uh pretty much put your ideas onto digital format way quicker than typing. And so anyway, AJ came to a problem where he was hitting the limit. And there's so many people out there that hit the limits on Claude, hit the limits on you know video generation, whatever you hit the limit on, because it's like you get to the ceiling of your like category, and then you hit the limit, you're like have to wait or pay more money. But this is like something that I have noticed that is like one of your characteristics. So tell us about how you manage to build use voice. And it's kind of like a similar concept, right? It's kind of taking on whisper flow, but in a different way.
SPEAKER_00In a different way. You know, I think I think AI is at a place where okay, I here's what everybody tells you, right, as an AI influencer or people who talk about AI, that AI can build you anything. Like that's the idea.
SPEAKER_03It's magic, right?
SPEAKER_00It's magic, right? But a lot of people do ask, like, is it really true? Like, so I think it's roughly like 10 months ago when I was using uh Whisperflow, and I was using it so much that they were trying to charge me more money than 20 bucks, basically, and I was like, hey, one, I have to learn AI. Second is can I build this app that I use all the freaking time? I was using it all the freaking time, and like thousands of transcriptions, right? So I'm talking to my computer, it transcribes my voice into text, and the text would be pasted or I can paste it into any app. That's the benefit about Wisp Perflow. So that means I can have a note, I can have an email, I can also talk to Claw, right? I can also talk to Chat GPT. So that was powerful, but I just did not want it to be more than 20 bucks. That triggered the behavior like, yo, I'm gonna use AI to learn how to code. And as I do that, I'm going to also build my own app. And so that was it. So I built this six months ago now, it's been active on my computer. I've done over 3,000 transcriptions as of today. And I use it every single day. It's free. I've never paid a dime, and it's local on my computer, so that means nobody can touch my personal transcriptions. That's a big deal for me. And I've been wanting to give this away to the community. I don't want to charge anything. I just want to give it away so people can just like take it, spin it, use it, open source it, do whatever they want to do. Do you give them inspiration that you can build it to? So I I keep doing this stuff because I think AI versus the cost is the biggest debate that people don't think is gonna happen. There's a cost for people to say this, I'm going to build it. They will still pay for something if it's too painful. But if it's not that painful and it charges me money, I'm gonna go and build it myself.
SPEAKER_03I think that threshold between uh like actually being able to build something for yourself, and the cost is getting smaller and smaller every single day. Because even I'm finding myself when I'm creating something, I must admit, I've already had a conversation with Claude say, hey, is it worthwhile my time creating a mini chat for me? Like I've literally had this conversation. You can ask it, like I have. Um, and there's many tools like that that I've like come across where I'm like, do I have time right now to create something like that? And is the is the way off worth it? You know, I is it removing my focus from my north star, everybody has a north star or a profession that they're chasing through. So, like, what is the trade-off to actually put time in developing this? Or do I just pay for somebody else's use to do it? And I think that with the cost of AI, it's getting more and more expensive as you use it more and more. So that's what I want to segue into something that I really want to ask you about because on your Instagram, there's so many cool videos around it. Anybody should definitely go watch some of these. But what is your opinion on closed source versus open source AI? And maybe it's just start off by describing to the listeners like what does that actually mean, like closed source versus open source, and the benefits of either either, and just what's your general feeling against either side of it's almost like um, you know how like when the Web3 was coming out, like centralized versus like decentralized, right?
SPEAKER_00So there's like these companies that are private, like of course, Anthropic, you know, OpenAI and Gemini and all these companies, right? And they build their own LLMs, large language models, right? That's they called it AI. And now they control them, so they have cost, right? They're hosting them, their servers, there's inference, there's all kinds of stuff, but of course. Um, and they charge you tokens or price to use the AI. Now, open source is some like people like, yeah, we'll we'll build this thing for you, you can host it. Like, I'll give you the LLM yourself. Like, this is this is a technology, I'll give it to you for free. You can host it yourself. I can put it on my computer if it's small enough, or I can have my own server. So I have the cost to myself. There's no third party that is taking money from me and then you know giving me the service. I give the service to myself. That's what open source in the simplest way I can tell you. Now, the war between the private versus the open source is getting intense. And I think it should get intense because that would eventually drop the price down. I think open source models are at some level at par really as good as the Claude or the Codex or the Gemini, whatever you you name it. Um and I think the way you should think about it is you should use like I would use open source for a bunch of stuff that I feel very confident is really good at. Maybe DeepSeek is good at this versus like, you know, like um TLM or something else, or you know, Minimax or whatever. There's so many of them, right? Um so you can basically use them to do tasks that you think can be done at a really high accuracy or really high output, and you can finish the job with a private company. I think this is one of the best ways to do it. So if you were writing a piece of code, not every piece of code should be written by Claude or Codex. It can be done by a cheaper open source model, basically. But you can still finish the job at the end of it, or you can start the job, right, with a private LLM like Claude or Codex to get the best output. Because people think of something like, I gotta write, let's say, an email, I'm gonna use the Opus 4.7. You don't have to use Opus 4.7 to you write an email, right? You can have the cheapest model, haiku, or something, on Anthropic to write the email. So it depends on how these tasks are, and I think we're such an early stage that people don't understand when to use which model. They don't understand the thinking, the reasoning behind it, right? If the task is too complex, then you should use the best model. But if it's not that complex, then why waste your tokens basically?
SPEAKER_03And how would you go about say compartmentalizing something? So, for example, if you wanted to build an app that was going to write your emails for you, would you start with say developing an open source coding efficient model, transfer it into codecs or Claude Code, polish it up, test it, make sure it's good, and then uh use like once it's working, like you got the code working, and then you just use like a haiku or a very maybe you can even use an open source LLM to like just do the transcription or the writing. Like, is that sort of the workflow? How would you approach something like that?
SPEAKER_00If that's this is a simple idea, right? I think it depends on the idea. So I would ask actually codex. Um, so when you use LLMs, the biggest mistake people make is always think of like either Claude or Chat GPT, right? Yeah.
SPEAKER_02Those are the most common ones.
SPEAKER_00Those are the most common ones, right? Or Gemini, right? Gemini's a big one too. Actually, Gemini's huge as well. I'll start with one of them and ask him to draft me a plan where my plan should include, let's say, 50% open source. Okay. So we'll draft a plan, and you take that plan and you take it to the other player. So let's say you draft a plan on open AI, right? Codex, you take it to Claude and ask Claude to score this plan for me and show me your proof of reasoning for this plan, right? And you just take it back and forth. That's what you become the orchestrator, by the way. There's a big term called orchestrator in the market. And that is basically I am the person or the agent that just takes one and gives the other one, takes it again, takes it again. I delegate task, right? Basically, between these two. You keep doing this till the score is nine and plus, like nine plus or whatever the score is, right? Often what I do, I would throw a number like, hey, I want the score to be like 9.75 or 9.727.
SPEAKER_03Very precise.
SPEAKER_00Very precise, right? And then you will see the LLM really working the magic to get this to a higher score that is efficient for you. So you can have your goals like I want to use 50% open source, I want to save this money, or I'm and then you have the recommendation. You don't even have to think which open source to use. These companies will tell you which one to use. And then you just take it and build base on the plan.
SPEAKER_03I love that. And that goes on to another thing between I think there's a bit of propaganda out there against like Western models versus Chinese models. Can you other what's your opinion on that?
SPEAKER_00It's hard, hard as an American to comment on these things. But um I mean, I think that the you know, uh if you look at like this, this is even you mentioning Chinese models, right? Just think of the weight there is that we did not mention anything else. You could have mentioned anything, you could have mentioned uh any other country, but there's not right. There's the two uh most powerful countries in the world going at each other. And the war is kind of like AI. And I think the innovation that is happening in these two is I think very credible, no matter what it is and how it's been driven. I think China is producing models that we have never seen before. I mean, look at the video models of Kling, C dance, it's all China, by the way. Right? It's crazy. Image models. I mean, when Deep Sea came out, it almost shook everything out. They're like, how is it even possible, right? Because the model is so small and so cheap. So this isn't this is gonna get intense. And I like that because eventually the companies in the US are always on the just tippy toes all the time, right? So they have to keep innovating, keep making it cheaper, keep making it more available, and keep making it faster. I mean, last week was the craziest week of all times. I feel like I did not sleep. I was just posting all the time because everybody launched. And I think next week, God knows when, Claude is about to launch the next model, right? Because now GPD-5.5 is there. So, and now then the Chinese models are dropping already from Minimax to Deep Seat 4, right? I mean, that came out, so that was crazy.
SPEAKER_03So very impressive. Uh, it's so impressive. And you and I are in the AI industry working with AI every single day, trying to test whatever's out. Like at the moment, I'm doing the same, you know, transferring one code to the next code, or when I hit my limits in Claude, I'll go transfer across into codex just because I can keep going. Because I'm just like, when when I leave to live it, I need to transfer into another model just to reach that limit. So it's like it's just non-stop. And they're always coming out with something better, something faster, something cheaper, something way more impressive. Like AI fatigue is an actual thing, and I feel it. I'm in the industry. I'm sure there's many other founders that are in an industry. So I really feel compassionate around, you know, the mums and dads or anybody else in the world who isn't in it. They hear about it, and it's no wonder they're scared of it because there's so much fear mongering associated with it. So I know that the community that you've built there online is kind of centered a little bit around this, like building with AI products in public and just showing people the capabilities. So, do you want to jump into that a little bit more around like AI fatigue and how people can combat it, approach it?
SPEAKER_00I think there's a lot, I mean, I do a lot of like content, my content started as like a bit of a shock value, right? Like, I think I'm known for that. It's like the, oh my god, the world is ending and there's the new tool that is coming, right? I think to get the get the people to wake up and do this, but it also creates a lot of fear, right? And I started off the same way when I was almost a year ago. I remember I was in Mexico and I was coding, and it felt like holy crap, like there's so much, so much happening around me, I need to code, right? I need to get into it. And to fight that fear mostly for me was starting what it became the white boundaries. And I was like, I want to code at least so I can test. Like my thing was that I don't care about all these tools, all these agents, all this technology coming out there. If I can just start very basic and I can do this weekly, if not daily, right? That would at least give me a chance to just try it out. So if this new tool dropped, all I did like, hey, they have a free account, right? I would just go online and I would just try it out. And I started doing that, and then I started posting this on Sunday. I'm like, it's too boring to do it myself. So every Sunday I would start posting my link on my Instagram that hey, I'm live on Zoom, you can watch me and we can like kind of like out together. Basically, kind of like this. And that's what became the community. And since then I've done I think now over 30 sessions. I've missed a four sum. And people show up Sunday, and we now test new ideas, new products, new models, new agents, whatever comes out, whatever I can in that one hour something. So people need to start doing it. There's no other way to do it. Just like you gotta meet other people, and you just gotta A code, it's not about somebody teaching you, it's not that you have to build the best thing in the room, it's just like you have to build because unless you use AI, it's really hard to understand how AI works. You just you can't do it by watching a video or reading about it.
SPEAKER_03I agree, and that's the best way to learn, right? Is learn by doing and you figure out because you have your own ideas, and that's what one thing I do love about AI is when there's somebody who discovers the capabilities for the first time, you know, they might be using their voice, and all of a sudden they've created a website in 10 seconds and it just unlocks. Just just the look in their eyes, I will never get hold of that.
SPEAKER_00It's crazy.
SPEAKER_03It's so good.
SPEAKER_00Um people are addicted to AI right now. Like when you start coding, you're addicted to it. You know, we do that a lot.
SPEAKER_03Yes, my sleep score has definitely gone down on my work band since I used to, well, I am an engineer, but I'm a process engineer. So I was never actually able to code. And for the first time in my life, I can use my native language to code and build all of these tools and things like that. That's what I think is fantastic. So back to you. What is your tick stack at the moment? Like, what are your favorite tools for um doing all of your different creation and by coding? And what do you use?
SPEAKER_00So I use mostly I use Claude and Codex. That's my stack. It's been my stack for the past six months. I don't depend on one LLM, I just never do. But I use Anti-Gravity that runs my codex, and then I use it with Claude, with terminal, and with also the Claude app, but mostly terminals. And then between those two, I build a bunch of local apps. So my entire Instagram channel is mostly AI. So I have these random apps running for from hook writing to designing to video uh embeddings, right, to finding information, the research agents. Uh, I even have like a bunch of animation agents. I I I build stuff, right? So what I do is if I do something repetitively and that limit hits my in my head, even for the time or money, I go and build it one time. I spend maybe a few days to build it, and then I let my agents, my LLM, use it. So my stack really is just codex cloud running with my local agents on my machine. That's it. And they do most of the work.
SPEAKER_03Would you say that you've kind of built like an operating system around yourself? So for example, if you're it's just take the example for creating content online, right? And you're constantly posting or you want to do something, you create a spin-up using either codex or a claude. You'll create a little agent that writes the description or writes the storyline for the or does research or whatever. You then like save that as individual agents who say like a boilerplate or your repo, right? And then your operating system for AJ can then call on those little agents, depending on whether it's daytime or nighttime. Is that sort of like your operating system, so to speak?
SPEAKER_00Yeah, yeah, that's how it is. Because you gotta do it, right? You you can't do this uh manually all the time. You have to have a system, and the system gets better. So, as an example, uh I've been actually talking to a lot of creators. So when you reached out, I said yes, for many reasons, because also you're a creator. So I don't do these things without a creator for now, and it might change. And I do these things called AI hours with my founder for 30 minutes. So I haven't officially announced it yet. So anybody can talk to me for 30 minutes about AI. So you can come and say, hey, I'm gonna learn about this automation. Tell me if this is possible. Tell me how would you approach it. They're just curious. A lot of creative, some of them are much bigger creators than I am, and I talk to them as well. And I sort of like help them understand AI that, okay, you do all these things, but there's a way to automate XYZ. And I'm happy to give you my agents that I built or happy to guide you, do whatever, just like a chat to talk AI. And as an example, I have an agent that reviews all of my brand deals. As a creator, you know, you get brand deals, right? And now I get a lot of them, and I'm like, this is such a work to like go through them and to remember them and to do whatever, right? So now I had built an agent that has been closing my inbound brand deals. Now I have an agency, of course, to sign me up. But I literally have an agent that scores my deals, remembers every single deal, every single detail, and it it learns the strategy of these agencies, these brands. So it guides me to close better deals, push harder on the price or the delivery, or the contract, legal contracts. So I build that. And now on top of that, I'm building a dashboard for myself so I can see how much money is pending in the market, how much coming in, it sends invoices, so it does all of that stuff. And I kind of want to give it away to the creators for free. Like a lot of this stuff is also just want to give it away. It's like open source stuff. You can take it from me and use it. Deploy it for yourself.
SPEAKER_03Like that's definitely something that a lot of creators would love to do because I feel even in the creators industry, I'm finding as well. I'm now connecting with music producers, fitness people, uh, lawyers, uh, real estate agents, other creators like you. There's like such a big diversity amongst the people that I'm now into interacting with. And it's the first time that I've actually ever been able to build online community and actually feel it, you know, and it's so special. Uh and I think that's why a lot of people need to go online and build personal brand or just put yourself out there. Because as much as it is difficult starting with AI, it's also difficult putting yourself out there. But it's also one of the most, I guess, the best investment that I can ever say for anybody should make for themselves. Like it might seem like you're in a little void for a while, but it's actually you don't know who's watching. And even if you can help somebody, you know, discover a new tool or learn a new philosophy or inspire some one person a day, that's all it takes. I think that's what's really important. Um, but coming back through to that, so you're building these agents that are essentially allowing you to operate, right? How do you trust these agents?
SPEAKER_00I mean, they're all local. They're all local. So I stay low, I like local stuff. I don't like the cloud, I mean the online cloud stuff. Um, I mean, I trust them because I've put guardrails around it, right? I have a lot of these files that are right. As an example, I'll tell you, every time an agent does something for me, I have them log their stuff. I do not take their work without logging. I need to make sure that you've logged it. So that session is maintained. I see learnings from these agents. Like, what did you learn? So I every week or every day. I would ask them to log every day, by the way. And then I sort of question them. You know, I usually ask them to show me proof of work and show me proof of reasoning when they finish a task. Just show it to me. And that's the one that they start to develop more and more like, okay, this is the way the work is done. And then I write that as a guardrail in my agency stuff. So when they start, they gotta do these things. When they end, they gotta do these things, they gotta prove it. And that is where the agent, I think, gets more magical. Hold on. These are simple things, but unless you do it in a certain way, you know, I'm learning from other people as well. It's just hard to learn.
SPEAKER_03So, how are you orchestrating your agents? And maybe this is a bit of a segue into OpenClaw and the multi-agentic orchestration system. I know you've that was one of the products that you're another open source product that you've is open source? I'm not too sure, is it?
SPEAKER_00Um I'm making it open source now. I think it didn't start like that. OpenCloud is as big as Cloud coming up, to be honest. I don't think people understand how big of a technology OpenCloud is, because OpenCloud chain is a game that autonomous agents can be run. It's something that can respond to you, that can talk to you in a certain way. It has a soul, it has memory, it has context, and it can go on its own and do stuff and bring it back. Because right now you kind of tell the cloud, or now cloud is getting really, really good. Uh GPD is getting really, really good as well with codex, right? But this was a way that you can do stuff. Uh so the dream of AGI or like an assistant or like something that can just do something for you came to reality. That was what OpenClaw was. So it's building a platform called Clawship.dev, and I think because of the pain point, um, you know, it's so hard to use AI. I'll tell you, everybody everybody claims AI is so easy, right? So hard to use it because go try installing OpenClaw. Oh my god, it's painful, right? Even in your machine, painful. That's the way that's gonna run all these all these coding commands in terminal, and you gotta install this thing, then you're gonna know the permission of this thing. Then you gotta give it access to all these computer, your notes, and everything, right? So you feel like, holy crap, what if something goes wrong, right? And you don't realize when you run open claw, it eats up your machine, by the way. People don't talk about that. It heats up your computer because it's eating, it's running these processes, right? So this is memory, this is your computer memory that it's using. So that was for me is like a biggest pain point. I'm like, how can I make it easy for anybody to install OpenClaw on the cloud in like less than two minutes? So it didn't happen in two minutes, but five minutes it did happen. And so I build this clause.dev where you can just click a button, pick a name for your agent, and you deploy OpenClaw. So you can at least experience OpenClaw. I want more people to, even if you don't end up using it, experience it for like a couple of days to see what this thing is, what it can do. Um, but as I was building it, I spent months building it by and I was coding every day, and I realized that I should just give it away now as open source. So whatever I built, the installing, the installing mechanism or the engine, and then I build this integration layer with this. So you can add apps to your open cloud, right? Uh all that stuff was super cool, and this right now is super cool, and then I use it and I want to give it away for free. So anybody can just take it, install this, and then you can install OpenClaw on your computer or cloud with a click of a button, and you pay what you want to pay. I don't charge you anything.
SPEAKER_03Another great tool that you're putting out there for everyone. I love it. And to build a little bit more on that, so OpenClaw is like a multi-agent orchestrator. So you can have all these different agents doing different tasks for you. So there might be one that is researching, one doing marketing, one doing checking your emails. But one thing that I want you to dive into a little bit deeper is um so you have all of these agents doing different things, but a way to create guardrails around the agents is by giving them skills. And I think skills are almost like the holy grail of agentic guardrails. So making sure that they are doing the work that you want them to do. Uh, it's like a standard operating procedure. It's like making sure that they're not going to go down the garden path and do something crazy. So I want to know how do you go about creating skills? Like what's your thought process to make sure that you create a bulletproof skill?
SPEAKER_00I, you know, when I do the Vibe Founder or the things that I do, right, is I try to break down the most complex thing into the most simplest thing possible. And a skill creation for agents is not like you gotta use a tool or um you gotta know this uh this specialized way to do it. It's not it's none of that stuff, actually. The way I do these things, and I my entire account is run on skills, is basically whatever you do. So let's say I'm creating, let's say I'm writing an email, right? This brand new email, right? And I want to skill for that, I have a skill for that. So I would do a couple of them myself, right? Using even AI, like write them, and then I would write down every single process. Like, okay, when an email hits my inbox, I take that email and I reach to the web. I go online and search the company. And I usually, I'll tell you my secret, I search for funding first. Like I literally search for any brand that reaches out to me, the funding is the number one thing for me to search. Do they have money? That's my first context, right?
SPEAKER_03Well, that's a great photo.
SPEAKER_00Great filter, right? Then I search for founder stories, actually. So I'm okay taking less money. If there's a bootstrap company, amazing founders, they're fighting a big cause, right? All that stuff, right? And then I search for like reviews for the product, uh, so how the product is perceived by people or used for feedback. They feel like, oh my god, this is like a life-changing and amazing tool. So you feel like, you know, as a creator, it's your responsibility to also bring the best tools out there to the market without always getting like paid all this kind of money. So so now I do that all the time, every time, right? So now these are my steps. Step one, step two, step three. Then when the email comes in, I usually what we do what I would do, and the way I build my agent on top of it, is I try to find the email. Is it generic email? Is it like copy paste to like 50 creators, or is it like personal email?
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SPEAKER_00Funny enough, AI can tell, actually, AI can tell that it seems like this mass marketing can't, you know, whatever. That means it's been used by an agency. Because an agency can also have their email. So, anyways, then I do that and then I design either a question or an offer.
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SPEAKER_00Mostly a question in most cases. Once they respond back to me, then I design the offer, whatever it looks like. So when all of that is done, I write down every single step, and then I tell my LLM, can you turn this into a skill? That's it. That's how easy it is. And you save it.
SPEAKER_03That is the best workflow. Literally, you're going through the process of what you're doing. And this is something that I've learned out as well is you know, like when I'm actually going through the process of doing my work, I'm like, which parts of this can be automated? Which parts am I doing every single time? I'm oh I'm doing I've like I've asked Claude or I've asked a chatbot to do this like 10 times. Like, oh, I must that's the process, right? And if I create a skill around it, I'm actually um orchestrating that I get a consistent output, no longer like even just the colours, the structure, the titles, all of that is just consistent when you start to use skills. That's I think is the superpower of them. Uh and like you said, it's gonna be one of the most valuable skills moving forward because that's how you're that's like the the holy grail of AI, I think.
SPEAKER_00Holy Grail. And top of that, what is an agent, right? Like I think people often ask, what is an agent? What is the thing? It's like agent is nothing but a set of skills. That's what you get skill one, skill two, skill three, skill four, right? And then you have an agent that's you can call it a brand deal manager that reviews, that negotiates, and sends a contract, and sends the invoice, right? Then enforces a bunch of stuff. And then also sends the script to the team to yourself. When you combine all these different skills into one package, that is an agent. And then these agents can be multi-agent systems. That is like now I have a marketer, I have a brand deal, I have a CMO. And that is the orchestrator. So it's like that's how we think about these things. It's fairly simple. It's like your day-to-day life is turned into an online life, but it's the same thing.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, and then you can kind of actually piece the agents together into workflows. So you have like, I think that's sort of where it kind of gets a little bit out of control because people don't really understand the difference between having an agent and having a workflow. So the way that I define them, I'm not not sure how you would do it, but I say a workflow is just like a repeatable process where an agent actually goes out and does active work for you. Like, it's is that how you would describe the difference?
SPEAKER_00Or yeah, yeah, yeah. That's the same thing, yeah. Because you get a workflow like go from step one to step ten, or maybe from this job to the end of the job, right? Like whatever that looks like. And it's a workflow. Agents go through uses their skills to get them done because agent is nothing just like an orchestrator, kind of, right? He just follows directions based on skills and gets the job done at the NFL.
SPEAKER_03So AI is so powerful that we can build whatever your is in your imagination if you have the time and patience to sit down behind the keyboard and figure this stuff out. Do you think with AI, we're gonna see the $1 billion single-person unicorn business come out of uh out from this sort of AI boom? Um, and I want you to sort of relate this to your own journeys through venture capital funding because you've been there, you've done it, you've gone and raised $29 million from venture capital funding, uh, built massive businesses, like over 20 million users for one product. It's like massive touch that you were doing. And now you've just like flipped the whole entire narrative where you're like, I'm gonna build a one-person company. Like, can you take us through that process? And do you think it's possible?
SPEAKER_00Uh it's very much possible. I think the billion-dollar idea is I think small. I think people are gonna build much larger companies with AI. I think I would say $10 billion companies, you know, with AI or $100 billion companies with AI as one person. And I think this starts because people often ask you, like, oh my god, that's such a big goal. I don't know. Can you can you make some money, right? And I think a million dollar goal is a good one to aim for because that's just a number that everybody thinks, oh my god, I'm a millionaire, right? Like this is a big thing we all grow.
SPEAKER_03It's a milestone.
SPEAKER_00It's very personal. Yeah, just like, you know, whatever it is, it's just like a feeling through it. But also it's like a shitload of money uh to change your life, right? And I think people gonna find ideas, like I'm gonna build many chat for creators because imagine if just 10,000 creators can use my tool, right? At a price of a hundred dollars. Just like that's a million dollars right there for you, right? Um, so I think if you have a thousand people paying you $100,000 for you per month, that is $1.2 million a year, right? Just a thousand people, right? And then you you can reduce the price and you can rede increase the number. So you would think of these small, small ideas that seem nothing to you, but I'm just talking about thousand people in billions of people, in millions of people who are creators actually. That's a very small, tiny number that I'm asking for. So I think that's why it's a possibility that millions of people can build uh businesses that are worth a million dollars using AI. But the key here is that I and I'm biased with that, but I think if you've never built a business, you just don't know. I know you depend on AI to tell you everything, right? But that's where the human taste is a big, big, big, big play, right? You have to the experience brings something to it to the table that has never been done before. So if I can just show them every single step, they don't have to follow any of my steps, but that just gives the thinking. I think the most crucial thing in AI is the ability to think. It's not actually using AI, right? Anybody can teach you how to use Claude in four steps. There's so many videos online. So I took it very personally on myself. Like, you know what? Nobody is teaching or nobody's showing the way. Every creator out there is showing, here's how you can automate XYZ four steps. Let me show you how to use this tool. Yeah, but step one. What do you do with this thing? Right. So I'm very passionate about showing you when I'm buying the domain name. Why the fuck did I buy this domain name? Or the number thing I did with you, right? Like a thousand people paying a hundred bucks, or maybe two thousand people paying fifty bucks, or maybe four thousand people paying XYZ number, whatever that is. Like, nobody talks about that. I did the market research on Manichat, how big that is. I knew the number of uh customers, I knew the funding of their raise, right? Or an idea of that. That helps you think. What is your cost? Where do you host it? Those small decisions help you think in your own way and build a business over yourself so you can be financially free.
SPEAKER_03I love that. And niching down and finding or solving a problem that is very specific keeps the focus narrow. But it comes back to the philosophy of like 1,000 true fans. You know, you only need 1,000 true fans to build a cult as a as a as a as it goes.
SPEAKER_00Only thousand. And you know, you nailed it, and I'm still learning about that. That's such a good insight that you gave because sometimes as a creator, you think about more and more, right? You think of like, oh my god, a million followers. You think about these kind of things, right? And um when I crossed 30,000, I'm like, okay, when are we reaching the million followers? Like, what is the number? Is it like in June? Is it by the end of the year? So my team has a goal. But now I think, like, you know what, I care less about that. That's why I launched this. I want to launch this series, and I'm recording now. I just don't care anymore. I just care about just a small group of people who can feel the impact and they can just do what I want to do, and they can build their own financial businesses.
SPEAKER_03So, can you tell us more around what you uh what's the series that you're recording? Is it zero to a million dollars one-person business? Is that what it is? And that business is the mini-chat, but for creators. Can what is the name again? You just released the name recently. What name did you resist?
SPEAKER_00So the name is Sherper. Sherper.
SPEAKER_03Okay.
SPEAKER_00So yep, C H I R P R. And the community said to pick the other name, creator.io, but it was $5,000. I'm like, ah.
SPEAKER_03Not yet. Sorry guys, I'm not there yet.
SPEAKER_00So I just spent $200 to get Sherper. Um, yeah, so the series is really going from zero to one million dollars in revenue, and also by the end of the year, this year, not like forever, right? So the series is time-bound, and I will be showing them everything. Like I recorded videos when I was just even thinking about the idea. Okay, why would I build this app? How many people do I need? Why would I do that? Why should I buy a domain name? Okay, now the series, like I'm recording today, and it's gonna be around building a landing page. Isn't it the most common thing is the landing page? But why do you build a landing page? What is the thought process? And I'm I built a list. I have now over 400 people, almost close to 500, who want to follow the series, by the way. This all happened in I think 72 hours. I have 500 people that are hooked and they want to know I want to see the bifurcation. Build this from scratch. So imagine by the time I'm done with it, I start the journey and I start sharing real videos. I can have thousands, not millions, of people watching this thing.
SPEAKER_03So how is a business recording it? How are you? Is it on your phone? Do you are you like the Kardashians? You got a whole film career following you around?
SPEAKER_00I do have I've hired a I hired a videographer here, and I have an Osmo and a phone. So he just follows me around in my office, walking around the streets, grabbing coffee, eating food. And I'm just like talking to the camera like I'm talking to the audience. First time doing it. I've never done this before. Um, but it's coming out nicely. It's it's it's something, something special, you know?
SPEAKER_03That's really it's capturing those raw moments, and I think that's what people really want, not like the super filtered version, scripted version. I think that's what's really shining in social media today because it shows you're real, it shows you're relatable, it shows you're actually doing the work, you're not farming it out, and they're coming along for that journey of that story. So, what is it gonna be? Like a YouTube series or a mini-series? Like, how are you gonna release this? Like you've got 500 people there waiting, me being one. Uh, how are we going to consume this?
SPEAKER_00So it's gonna be YouTube, of course. The whole full content is gonna be YouTube. I'll try to do episodes. Um, let's say buying a domain is an episode, or thinking you have the idea, the math behind the idea is an episode, right? Or the why I'm doing it as an episode. It's all gonna be YouTube, but then of course we'll launch the reels on Instagram as teasers or you know, those lifestyle like voice VTS style videos, those. So we'll have a script uh behind those, and then that turns into people going to YouTube and doing it. So YouTube has been warming up nicely. I'm about to reach 500 subscribers on YouTube. So first time.
SPEAKER_03Well, we'll make sure we drop your details in the description so anybody can uh warm up there as well and follow you because yeah, it's a great journey that you're on. Speaking of which, speaking of using AI to create scripts to tell stories, coming back to your Instagram page. If anyone is out there, go check it out. It's really great for staying up to date on some of the latest um updates for everything that's happening in AI, specifically focusing on uh anthropic, open AI, perplexity. There's always Elon Musk featuring it somewhere in the as well. But so, like I'm just gonna describe the story arc that you you talk about in these ones. It's talking about the latest update. But to begin with, it's almost like a superhero, super villain uh comic between all of these different tech giants, and they're sort of beating each other up and doing a bit of anime kind of stuff going on. And then it trip transfers across into you talking to the mic around, like giving the knowledge, and you're there's bits between you and also AI generated content. So, what are you actually using to generate these images? I reckon they are really, really good. And uh I want to I would just secretly want to know the source behind these videos.
SPEAKER_00Neil, that's a million dollar question. My team, so I'm a team, so I had a team that does all the job. And funny enough, I think we use a bunch of stuff from Kling, C Dance, Hey Gen, uh, and Nanobanera, and now I think open AI and GPT too. So that's that's a bit of a stack for you. And you know, we found this theme of the sort of like the animated characters and the sort of the fight, they're punching, the laser beams coming out. I'm a sci-fi kind of guy, so I just love these things, you know. And we wanted to find a different way to tell a story. And not every time the video goes viral, right? But you have to find your own lane and your own theme so people remember. So now it kind of became a thing online that people see my content actually, or they copy or they're inspired by it. So many of the people have done what I do now. And that's a good sign that somehow people think that thing is working and they like it and they want to use it for their own content, right? But we are the originals, kind of, right? And I'm sure we learn from somebody else in different series. But the idea here is that we have a way to tell stories. And they're engaging and they're fun, and some people like it, some people don't. But we're gonna keep experimenting. We have a bunch of series coming out in that content space as well, and we keep trying these new things to see if it's a hit or a flop and then replicate.
SPEAKER_03Please keep going. And I I love them, they're really entertaining and also educational, informative, present. So you had me there for the full minute of entertainment there.
SPEAKER_02Thank you.
SPEAKER_03So a little bit further into content and using AI to do that, but more so on like the scalability side. So you're as you mentioned you're branching out into YouTube, you're across, you've got 37 subscribers on Substack, which is a blogging uh way of communicating with your audience, you're doing live videos, reels. So, how are you using AI to distribute your message and scale?
SPEAKER_00I use it for everything. So I have a bunch of agents running for like my entire Substack is AI. The way I use AI is more voice to AI. So, like Substack. I'll just like dump in voice, like this is what I'm thinking, this is what I read. So it's all voice for me. Everything is voice mostly. And then that voice turns into my agent knows how to transcribe. Of course, they transcribe it, and then they write something on top of it. Then I get it reviewed by another agent that happens all the time. And then we go back and forth and the score is high. And now I have different subagents running. So if I'm writing a note on Substack, it's a different agent versus a full host, it's a different agent. A research agent, if I have a topic in mind that I want to talk about, my agent will go reach the entire web, find all the information, take my input, right? Ask me questions, and then that becomes the article. I primarily focus on Instagram, and then Substack now has become huge for me even without a lot of focus. Um and then Twitter that I've been doing slowly here and there, something it's a lot. I do a lot of it myself, by the way. So I'm now looking to hire ghostwriters and people who can replicate my process, right? And get me out there faster. Right. So that's the idea that I'll start maybe hiring people from next month so we can scale.
SPEAKER_03Yeah. What is your idea? This is a myth or a legend, I'm not too sure, but I'm sure there are so many creators out there that don't know or want to know. But I want to know your opinion. Do you get penalized when you use a distributor to automatically post across your different platforms? Or do you think it's better to post organically native on a platform? So, for example, using um buffer is a very common one that, you know, you can upload every all of your Instagram posts to across all your different social platforms and it's automated through that way. And um, like, or do you have to go into each of these ones here and publish them individually so you don't get penalized? Do you think that's a thing, or is that a myth?
SPEAKER_00So my previous company that I was running, simplified.com, does the exact same thing. It also lazy like kind of it has a feature like buffer we can do it. So this question came up to me all the time. You know, the answer is kind of no. The they will always deny it, right? This it feels like but I think as a creator, um, I do it myself, like literally phones, and we do it directly to the native platform by ourselves, right? But there's no harm in scheduling because I I do think a good content is a good piece of content. It has nothing to do with scheduling. I think the whole myth, there's a couple of myths around it in the industry. Timing is a myth. No matter how much they tell you that you gotta post at this time versus that time. I don't think it, I don't believe it. We never care about timing, but I post whenever the heck I want to post.
SPEAKER_03Me too. Timing is too much.
SPEAKER_00Time is too much. It doesn't really matter. Just post, right? Um, I think scheduling through platforms is also a myth. Just do whatever desires you have, right? Whatever you want to automate, automate the whole thing. You want to do it yourself, you can do it yourself. I feel like I do it because this is on my phone, I can do it now, and I'll publish it. If my team has to do it, I give them access to some certain things and they just do it for me. So yeah, I think content is the number one thing. Rest is just bullshit.
SPEAKER_03Focus on the quality, and if it's good enough, the audience will find it, they'll like it, they'll engage it, and it'll organically send itself out. Um, I think that is perfect advice there as well. So, again to the listeners, if there was somebody who wants to start with AI and they're feeling a little bit about this AI fatigue, what would be your advice to them on where they should start to make their first $1,000? Not $1 million, but $1,000.
SPEAKER_00You know, I met this guy um who was a friend of a friend, and I was I was in a I was in the Bay Area, and he was generating close to $3,000 a day. Okay. I bring this story for a reason, and not a creator, nothing crazy about the guy, and they were selling stickers. Stickers online. You can upload a picture, turn you into a sticker, and they were selling to older women who can have their grandkids' pictures on their on their fridge. I love that right because I think you should start with whatever the pain point or you think you could have solved in your daily life. Start there. Don't look for the biggest shining star yet, right? Because the AI has this way to scare you, but also remember when you start building something, you want to get to the finish line. So sometimes I say, let's say you have I had a friend who was building these greeting cards, like these postcards, right? Beautiful postcards. And he was like, There's no more good paper and good printed postcards. And he wanted to use AI to design the postcard. Like you can have it for weddings, you can have it for birthdays, cards, right? All these cards, gift cards, right? Or postcards, I guess. I don't even use them anymore. But anyways, so but he used AI to do that for people, right? So it's a simple idea. You just need a printer. You just need AI to design something based on a feeling or a message, um, a poem, right? So that's that's what it was. And you can charge ten dollars for that. So think of very simple ideas, but get to the finish line. Because once you get to the finish line, you build your confidence up. And I think that is the right type of person who I want to inspire and I think help think through business, right? More so a million dollars, of course, but also the thousand dollars is the first milestone for all of us, right? So get to the finish line and join a community, follow people along the journey so you feel like uh it's not me alone. Other people are also doing the same thing, and then you have the comments and you engage with the community and all this kind of stuff.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, I learned so much from reading comments and just finding other creators like yourself. Like, I must admit, when I was doing some research on you today, I was going through some of your old videos, and uh it was actually when I was people were suggesting using anti-gravity for building out landing pages, and you also mentioned anti-gravity as in your stack. I'm like, dude, I feel like I'm behind on anti-gravity.
SPEAKER_00Like it's a good tool. It's a good tool. I like it.
SPEAKER_03What is anti-gravity for?
SPEAKER_00I kind of use it with codex actually, but I've used anti-gravity for review. So let's say I can use terminal in my anti-gravity, that can be anything. And then with that, I can have the Gemini model running. Because you can switch the models in anti-gravity, so you can pick whatever model you want.
SPEAKER_02Okay, yeah.
SPEAKER_00So you can you can have your work reviewed by that. Say, hey, can you review my work? Uh and that's it. So your work gets better. That's you can get feedback. Second eyes. That's how I use it. Other people use it for everything.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, I was reading that and I'm like, I need another new tool. I'm like, oh no. But anyway, thank you for thank you for for for the alpha. So you just also mentioned something there. So uh you've been in the Bay Area. Before we started recording, you mentioned that you're on a bit of a nomad journey for the last couple of years as well, traveling all the world, working from cafes. I think you're in Delhi there at the moment, and on your way to Thailand, and last week you're in Silicon Valley, all over the show. Um, and uh, what would be a sort of a message that you would pass on to perhaps the young version of yourself when he has freshly immigrated across into America, just trying to figure out his own way after failing uh at high school, not once but twice, which is apparently a death sentence in India. What would your advice be to that younger version of yourself now looking back?
SPEAKER_00You know, I would say I wish I stuck to my distribution when I first started doing it. So um it's a crazy journey. I've been traveling now, no bad, for the last year and almost over a year now. And uh LA is home. Yeah. And at there was a point, maybe eight years ago, when I started doing LinkedIn posting. Okay. On LinkedIn, I'm quite big. I have 114,000 followers on LinkedIn actually. And it's quite big on LinkedIn because not many people get to that number, you know. LinkedIn is hard to crack. So we cracked LinkedIn and I was like always posting, telling stories, and blah blah blah. And at some point I stopped last year because I wanted to focus on Instagram. I'm like, video is a big deal. So my younger self would be I wish I continued to keep doing content early on so that distribution is all you have. Like what we're doing here, you and I excuse me, if we have distribution, we can do anything. Like because of distribution, I got 500 people in 72 hours, right? Even more. Because distribution, I have 39,000 emails on my substack. That is what matters, right, at the end of the day. Um, so I think everybody who's today doing something, I would focus on distribution, share your stories, go online, do all of this stuff, right? Share content, make content. It doesn't have to be video all the time. You can have text, you can have images, just do whatever you want. Let's start this somewhere.
SPEAKER_03Well, content really needs to be multi-mod multimodal, where it is text, audio, uh MP4s, and also static images. So you need to do all four of these because also you need to be discoverable by the different models. And the different models are text-specific. They're picking up on different audio, and it's just the way that these models are doing, you do need to be across everything. But I mean, honestly, it's difficult to be across everything. Um, but uh I think that's where you get the maximum distribution, right? And as we're moving into the attention economy, the creator's economy, and uh, I think, yeah, I mean, if if you have anything else to build on there, like moving forward, how do you pitch the creator's economy being like a superpower for distribution?
SPEAKER_00Yeah, this exactly nailed you nailed it, and that's that's the idea. Because you can partner for building now. And you have AI to partner to build as well. But distribution is still the difficult piece, right? That humans have to do. And you should do it. So in that case, you need to start like now, right? Yeah, whatever you can.
SPEAKER_03Fantastic. Well, we have spoken a lot uh today. A little bit about your journey. I wish we dived, we dove deeper into your starting journeys around Rumi and Simplify, but perhaps we can get you on at a later date to tell that story because those are some of the grassroots I've made you of who you are today. But if we look at the whole entire economy around everything to do with AI, and this is a question that I ask all of my uh guests that come on. So AI can do a lot of stuff for us, um, practically anything that you imagine. So, what is one thing that you hope that AI never takes away from us as humans?
SPEAKER_00I think this the I think this is the human touch, the human relationship, right? Like I I enjoy meeting people in person, right? The this is amazing, right? Like imagine if this was an avatar and avatar talking to each other. That'd be that'd be crazy. So I think we gotta keep this the just the intimacy or the connection, the relationship that we all have, right? I I I do believe that AI is better when it has taste. And the taste comes with experience, it comes with the human experiences. So that is the core. That's why you shouldn't be scared of it. But you should enhance more of the experiences as a human being, so you can add taste to AI, and that would be much better.
SPEAKER_03I agree. Adding the taste is the final little secret in the source to make it your own personal theme. But I do get a little bit afraid to know that um AI is now getting emotions. That's also a little bit not too sure how I feel about that one.
SPEAKER_00I don't know. I'm not so bullish in that. You know, no.
SPEAKER_03Oh, we'll see, we'll see. Oh, thank you again. So, how can people uh follow along on your one-person creation? Um, join up to your like where do people follow along for your journey? Um, first of all, subscribing to your YouTube. We're gonna definitely make that a thing because YouTube is one of the pinnacles of moving forward. Um, and that's hopefully how they'll find you as well through today's podcast. But where else can they follow along?
SPEAKER_00I think Instagram is all I share everywhere. It's my stories, is the way to tell stories. Like I'll inform everybody too. So follow me on Instagram as Instagram.com right slash thewipe founder or just search for the Vibe Founder. And it's the same name everywhere TikTok, YouTube, Snapchat. I don't know. I don't post there, but find me wherever you want to.
SPEAKER_03Be careful, you might you might get some uninvised Snapchat sliding in.
SPEAKER_00I know I'm gonna post there, but I can't, it's hard.
SPEAKER_03I I know it is hard. But no, thank you again. Uh it's been great to connect with you and uh for you to share some of your secrets and uh your journey moving forward. So I'm definitely signing up to the wait list. And um, yeah, hopefully everybody else will too.
SPEAKER_00Thank you. Thank you so much. Great chatting with you.