Dr. Todd Frisch: Why the Face Reveals What the Body Knows

In this powerful episode of A Lighthouse in the Dark, Michael Fishman sits down with Dr. Todd Frisch, author of WTF: Why the Face, for a fascinating conversation about facial analysis, whole-body health, medical advocacy, and learning to listen to the signals our bodies are already giving us.

Dr. Todd shares how the face can offer meaningful clues about what may be happening beneath the surface, helping people become more informed and empowered in their personal health journeys. Together, Michael and Dr. Todd explore the connection between observation, diagnosis, intuition, advocacy, and the importance of asking better questions when something does not feel right.

This conversation goes beyond medicine. It is about awareness. It is about empowerment. It is about refusing to be dismissed, learning to notice what your body may be communicating, and becoming a more active participant in your own care.

Insightful, practical, and deeply engaging, this episode invites listeners to rethink the way they see themselves, their health, and the faces of those around them.

Because sometimes the path to healing begins by noticing what has been right in front of us all along.

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Transcript

SPEAKER_01 0:00

Today on Lighthouse in the Dark, I have a special guest. Dr. Todd Frisch has been analyzing faces for over four decades. He uses it in a variety of ways, and one of the most important is to see weaknesses prior to them becoming some kind of significant health issue. And I'm so excited to have him with me. Dr. Todd, welcome to Lighthouse in the Dark. Thank you. Glad to be here. Yeah, I'm super excited. You and I have geeked out over this. I have become a huge fan of everything you do. And it is um this has become my new passion, but I'll kind of get into that in a second. I thought um I've become obsessed with your book, and so I'm gonna plug it real quick, which is WTF.

SPEAKER_00 0:50

Don't do that.

SPEAKER_01 0:52

Um, I keep pointing into it. You can see how I've dog eared it, and you know, I'm one of those visual guys who writes and everything and like takes a million notes. So I probably will pull it back up at some point during this, but I really want to tell you how much it has changed not just the way I look at certain interactions, but the way I'm watching television. And for somebody in entertainment, that's quite a change.

SPEAKER_00 1:15

Interesting.

SPEAKER_01 1:16

I love it. Yeah. So let's give people a very quick preview of facial analysis. Why don't you use my face? I don't really have a lot of uh secrets at this point in my life. So maybe you could tell people about my face shape.

SPEAKER_00 1:31

Yes, happy to do so. So our starting point is always the shape of a face. Now, the important thing to understand with face shape is it's a gift from our creator. Now, as with any gift of that kind of magnitude, it comes with a caveat. You must use that gift to honor the creator, but also to help mankind. So you don't have one gift, you have two. And being two-faced in my world is not a negative. It's actually quite a very much a positive. So you're a pretty much equal combination between what we refer to as an iron face and a bucket face. Now that sounds kind of negative to be a bucket face, but it is not. So the nine, there's nine face shapes. And the iron face, I always refer to this as the three S's. You're strong, you're stable, you're stubborn. Give you a job, you're gonna get it done. Persevere, diplomatic, take it to the end. If you're interested in it. Now, if you're not interested, screw it. You don't want anything to do with it. Just it's no, I don't want to do that. Now, so the the gift there is your strength. That stubbornness can be a you know extremely positive thing. This is not negative. Nothing in face reading is good or bad. We we like to eliminate those words. They're just they're just uh information about who you are. Now, the bucket, which is what I am, we love to put things in our bucket. Our thirst for knowledge is unquenchable. We we just we're curiosity is our is our word. For us, uh uh goal setting is a waste of time because once we get there, we're bored as all get out because it's not our passion. Our passion is the journey. So the gift you have as a bucket face is your intellect. So you're you're very strong and very intellectual. Nice combination, I might add.

SPEAKER_01 3:12

I appreciate that. I'm gonna take those compliments. I definitely am stubborn. As I started reading in your book about those face shapes, I was like, yeah, that's me. All of that is absolutely me. Yeah. I think in the beginning, people always ask what people do. But for me here, I really want to focus on kind of what inspires people to do what they do. We talked about kind of your your drawing and what's important to you. So before you can be a lighthouse, somebody has to be a lighthouse keeper and then somebody has to kind of spark the light, right? Absolutely. Absolutely. What was the beginning of this process for you? What drew you to facial analysis?

SPEAKER_00 3:50

You know, as physicians, we we're trained to ask what's wrong. And I get that. It's it's our starting point. And we our decision tree begins with what's wrong. The problem I had, and if you have any degree of intellectual honesty as a physician, you're gonna run into this uh roadblock, and that is you're gonna have a patient, you know they're sick, they know they're sick, and yet all their tests are textbook midnight normal. Now, is the answer to that patient 20 milligrams of Prozac? I didn't feel comfortable with that. You know, honey, it's all in your head. So I I had this paradigm shift, and I I thought, what if I ask what's not right? Now it sounds like semantics, but in my world, you literally have to be two-thirds sick before any medical test shows any abnormality. That's pretty significant. So you're gonna have a lot go wrong before it shows up medically. Now that's that paradigm shift that now let me tell you the story behind the story, which is I had this uh dear friend. I met him at a church I go to, his name is Jack. And Jack, uh when Jack entered the room, the room became different. He was a humble man. Uh he just there was just a presence about him. And he came to me with some health issues, and we were able to help him. And uh he had a primary care physician that did all of his blood work and that type of thing. And he liked how I looked at blood tests. There there are there are normal ranges in blood tests, and then there's optimal ranges. And early on in my career, I thought, you know, these ranges are a little fat. I'm gonna squeeze them down. And kids are different than adults, adults are differ different geriatrics, and men were different than women. So I would I would kind of squeeze this down and and he would bring his blood test in from his from his medical doctor, uh I think it was Dr. Mike, and I would review him and I'd say, okay, Jack, this is normal, but this is a high-end normal, this is low end normal, let's do this. You're showing some signs of a little bit of a bacterial infection, let's just give you something to support your immune system. And he he loved it. Now, uh it was a Tuesday. He came in, I worked half day at that time, and he says, Hey doctor, and I got my blood test from Dr. Mike. I'll set up an appointment. I said, Hey Jack, I got a couple more patients. Just why don't you just chill? We'll look it over and uh and then we'll go out for lunch. And he said, Oh, that's that's great. So uh he's sitting across from me in the desk uh from in my office, and and I said, Jack, what did Dr. Mike have to say about your blood test? And Jack said, Doc Dr. Mike said, I wish my blood work was this good. And I said, Jack, not only is it good medically, this is the best you've ever been, everything is textbook, midline, normal. This is profound. That was Tuesday. On Thursday, there's a park near my office in St. Louis, uh, West County, St. Louis called Queenie Park. He was dead before he hit the ground and a massive coronary. And it I Michael shook me. It it I I mean, I just I I I literally had that moment, I go, what good am I? I just need to quit and stop this. But I didn't. And my motivation was to uh try to understand what I missed. And when you when you ask what's not right, it opens doors and it opens diagnostic doors that are profound. And I was able to begin this walk into this amazing world of face reading. I have two premises when I work with a patient. One is remove the obstacle to the care. What's what's blocking that person from getting healthy? Number two, where do you hit it? You know, there's all these things. Patient comes in, they got fibromyalgia, chronic fatigue, irritable bowel, anxiety, depression, uh, insomnia, and nothing's wrong medically. So which target do you hit? There's too many targets. If you if you try to hit all of them, you're not you're not gonna hit any. So you have to have some kind of starting point. And I found facial diagnosis was it. I was able to see things before they became a huge medical problem. It it it evolved from there. I I've done a lot of corporate uh lecturing and uh to understand that I would talk to you differently than I would talk to my wife, who is just right over there. Uh she's a king face. Her energy, can you help me? How long is it gonna take? What's it gonna cost? Let's go. She don't want to talk about sports, she won't talk about the weather. With you, I gotta be ready to answer a lot of questions. You're gonna go, that's interesting. So why is that? And because you're a bucket face, you gotta know. So you always got me behind in my office. Now, the other part of you that that that uh iron face, which is a very square Winston Churchill bucket is mine. Uh square here, come up on an angle. So we're looking like a pail or a bucket. Um so that that iron face was the face that would really take me into um I could I use words that you would hear, that you would dance with. And I would say, look, if you can get your determination behind this with your power and your strength, man, you you you'll just soar in this situation. So knowing how to talk to someone opened a comfort zone and I was able to communicate on a on a level that they understood. And it just made such a difference in the healing process. I t I teach a lot of doctors these days. Uh I'm I'm retired, uh, didn't take. Here's my dog. Say hello, dog. This is Lambo. Uh one of the things I teach is what I refer to as a faith circuit. And we as physicians in order to get and maintain our faith in what we do, we have to continue to learn. If you stop learning, of course I'm a buckethead, so this is never gonna happen. Or nor it will it for you. But we have to continue to learn. And when we put in our due diligence and then a patient enters our office and we shake their hand, they're gonna pick up the work we did and they're gonna have faith in you as uh as a doctor. But this works on all levels. If you're a salesman and you come in and you're gonna shake my hand as a purchasing agent, and you know I'm a bucket head, you know you're not gonna sell me the first time. I gotta think about it, because I gotta think about it. If you could talk to my wife, who's a king face, a natural leader, very very specific, and let's get the job done, let's do it quickly and and efficiently. You don't want to spend time talking. She don't want to talk about sports or the weather. What you say to this person from a business standpoint is, look, I know you're busy, and look, this is the best price I can give you. You don't have to come back. I I I want to respect your time. This is the best I can do for you. You it that that this is it. And you give them the whatever, and you turn around, walk to the door. Before your hand hits that doorknob, they're gonna say, Hey, come here. And they're gonna buy from you. So you can use it across the board. It is such there's such universality to face reading. And really, Michael, we all do face reading. We when you look at someone, you go, You okay today? Something bothering you? Anything going on? What did you see that day you didn't see the day before, or whenever before? So that putting legs to what you see has some profound value. That was a long run for a short jump, wasn't it?

SPEAKER_01 10:43

No, it was it's perfect. I mean, this is the part we should just dive straight into the nine face shapes. We talked about iron, we talked about bucket, you mentioned king. There's also earth, fire, jade, king, moon, and tree, right?

SPEAKER_00 10:59

Yep, you got them. Yeah, and uh it's lots of people have more than one face. And that's if there's a complaint I get from people that take our course to learn how to do this, it's how do I read face? I mean, how can I tell what face shape someone is? Just guess. You know, it's gonna be right. And what you see, if you see, if you're confused, they probably have more than one face. And that and that's okay. That that that is a that is a blessing. That's that's not a bad thing to give you two faces. Some people have three. I've met a couple of people who have four. Yeah. And those are the face shapes that we look at. They all have different names. Einstein's got a great quote. He said, uh, when you take from one person, it's plagiarism. When you take from many, it's research. So I researched a lot of books. Right. And came up, and I I put all the other names from all the books that I have. Behind me are 80 books on facial diagnosis, so I'm I'm uh I'm into it. And uh as a bucket, can't can you imagine that? So there's a there's some traits that are kind of unique to each one. And there's a gift that each one has. The bucket is intellect. The earth face, they're down to earth. That's their that's their gift. The fire face, they're the sensitive. The iron face, strong, stable, a little stubborn. Jade face, they're hard. Isn't that bad? No, there's times you need to be hard. There's times you need to just put put it up and say, no, this is where it doesn't go past this point. So that that is not a negative. King face, they're they're leaders. They're natural leaders. Matter of fact, they suck at not leading. I I've married one, so I I know this very well. Moonface, they're like a round ball, and they just they just roll with things. They're they're the people that we need in this world that keep us from going bat poop crazy. You know, they just they go they go roll with it. They're not real motivated when it comes to their health, but but they will uh they're very adaptable. They you have to find out their why. So their strength is their adaptability. They get along with everybody. The tree face, this is a very long face, um, very rectangular face. Their gift is their ability to spread their branches and protect. I wish all children had at least one of their parents was a tree face, because we'd have a better world today if that were the case. The problem I had with my female tree face is they were so into taking care of others they forgot to take care of themselves. So I'd have to speak into their life and say, look, your passion is to help others. Oh, Dr. Todd, it is. Well, what if you couldn't do that? And then a little tear comes out of the corner of their eye. And I said, let's just do some things to help you get really healthy so you can put you do what God put you on this earth to do. And they were all in. The wall face, they're they're the protectors. They they're the wall. Working with them is like beating your head against the wall. Once you fix whatever they're there, they're gone. They're not coming back. So, you know, I look, I I spent, you know, 45 years as a physician, so I'm I can only look through those through those eyes. I'm not a businessman. I I say I'm a I'm an excellent businessman because I I know I suck at business. So I get somebody else to do that for me because that's not my passion, it's not where I go. So each one of these faces will give you enough insight that uh communication is going to be enhanced a thousandfold.

SPEAKER_01 14:08

I agree. Can we talk about left side versus right side?

SPEAKER_00 14:11

Yeah. So I I remember I wrote the book with my daughter Abby, delightful experience. She's just a uh incredible writer. And uh and she said, Dad, what do you what do you want this book to be? And I said, Well, I I I I want this book to be something that physicians are gonna just latch on to and make them become better doctors, but I also want the public to really like this. And and uh and she said, Well, Dad, you know that's not possible. And I said, You don't ask me what was possible, you asked me what I wanted. And and so when it came to the point on the right and left side, I said, Abby, did you come up with this? And she goes, No, Dad, I thought you did. I go, Yeah, I have no idea where I stole this from. You know, so I I've actually looked at my books. I don't know where it came, it may have come spiritually in a dream, and I'm I'm cool with that. That's if that's what it is. But to answer your question more specifically, the right side of our face, and it's really our right eye when you from a diagnostic standpoint, is what we show to the world. It's our public persona, it's our mother's influence. The left is our true inner private self, and it's our father's influence. The right side is what we want people to see. There's so much energetic power coming off this that you cannot see the other side of the face unless you train yourself to do so. So, in your situation, if you don't mind, what you show to the world and what you want the world to see is you're very focused and you're very intentional. You do things with intent. I would have young doctors follow me around and they said, you know, Dr. Todd, I I do the same thing you do, I don't have the same success. I said, You don't have the same intention. And they go, What? And I go, once they get it, it's it's a huge point. But I was very intentional. If I gave uh, say, a fish oil to you as a bucket face, I'd say, look, Michael, this is some fish oil, but this has got a higher DHA to EPA ratio. EPA is cardioprotective. DHA is cognitively protective. I want you to take this to enhance your cognition. Now, as a bucket face, you're going, man, I'm all in. I want this. So you are also very intentional. You don't do anything without intention behind this. This is a wonderful trait. This is not a negative whatsoever. The left side was where I became rather fascinated with your face, and that is your focus, but there's an equal hint of both anger and sadness, and it's probably related to a male. I'll let you share that story because I I I don't want to it's your story, and we all have our stories. But it kept going. We kept seeing a lot of this left-sided indicator, and then they have this indentation on your left uh yeah, right there. The cheeks, the emotion of a deficiency, an indentation is a deficiency, is despair. And that's different than depression. Depression is I'm depressed, this reason why. Despair, there's more of a hopelessness component to that. And that's when you shared what that was all about. You said I matter of fact, uh you you said these words. I'll tell you exactly what that's about. Now, if you want to share that, uh that's yeah.

SPEAKER_01 17:08

I mean, I I can tell the world. I mean, I think a large part of people know, but y you blew my mind when you touched on that, because you said there is clearly and it's the sign of despair, and it is male-oriented. Yeah. And I lost my younger son. So it was no surprise. And, you know, you and I talked about this kind of at great length, which is I look at grief as a gift. I would never trade that time. Um, I know you and I share that kind of perspective. We also don't love the way that people go about it or the things that people say to you in an effort to kind of dissuade you from your grief, right? I and but the despair aspect is like, and I it's really interesting because I actually went back and looked at old video and old it's one of the advantages of being an actor and having my whole life essentially on on tape. Yeah. And I looked back at the season of the Connors before that happened. Yeah, wasn't there and it wasn't there.

unknown 18:12

No.

SPEAKER_01 18:12

And I thought that that was fascinating. I mean, it and it's it's subtle, but once you see it, you can't unsee it.

SPEAKER_00 18:20

Exactly. And and if you look at my face, there's an indentation right here, and then there's an indentation right back here. So does do I have despair with a male and a female? I do. And we shared this, and I will share my story. My first two children died. They didn't breathe when they're born. One lived a little girl and Katie lived about uh about 20 minutes. Our son, his name was Brady. Um, he didn't breathe when he was born. Uh we've had him in an NG tube, he never cried. And he died in our arms uh when when he was five months old. So that was marked in in me. And we had the discussion. We could both write a book on what not to say to a parent that's lost a child. Oh, you know, God has a plan. Well, F you and F God, you know, kind of thing. It's uh you know, you yeah, there's things you that you you don't want to say, just say, I can't under I can't even begin to understand your grief. I'm so sorry for your loss, and end it there. Don't have to bo go any further than that. You know, so I just um could write a book, couldn't we?

SPEAKER_01 19:16

It's an experience that I don't wish on anybody, but I think if you're in that group, you understand at a deeper level. You do. You do. And and there's a compassion that can come from it. Um I also know, you know, you mentioned in the book how that experience and how some of the medical people who didn't have the best bedside manner how that impacted you and motivated you.

SPEAKER_00 19:40

Aaron Powell Yeah. The doctor uh and a husband-wife pediatric team, he was wonderful. She was Satan's daughter. And uh she was last time we took Brady in, um we revived him and and went into the ER. And then in these days you were not allowed in the ER. And they said you have to leave it. And I said, I'm not gonna leave. And they said, Well, don't make a scene. I said, Am I making a scene? You want a scene? Try to pull me out of here. Call the police now because it's gonna be bad. Uh and I said, if he dies, he's gonna die in our arms. You know, I you know, it's and so anyway, they they're working on him. She had her back to me, and and uh one of the nurses at the head of the table um asked me a question, I answered it, and she turned around. If you remember the movie Pulp Fiction with Uma Thurman, uh she had that black bangs that came to a point right here.

SPEAKER_01 20:30

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 20:31

She had that hairdo. I to this day, when I see that hairdo, I I have a little bit of rage come up in me. I have to keep it down just because I don't want rage. But she turned and looked up at me at her five foot, and I'm six foot two, and she said, You realize there's no hope here. And I went, wow. I I I literally, Michael, I watched my right arm come away from my body and go in front of it. I had to grab my right arm and I wasn't gonna end her life. I I was just gonna crush her neck and and I think God would have said, Well done, my good and faithful servant. She needed to know. Uh, you know, but it it set a tone for my life that um I can't take away hope. Can't do it. Right. I won't do it. You know, if I know someone's got a week left to live, it's not coming out of my mouth. Because I don't make that call. I don't get I don't get to make that call. That's not in my um in my sphere uh that I I have that can make that call. And medicine does. Well, how long has it got to live? Well, you six, nine months. Really? That's gonna set up good energy for that person, isn't it?

SPEAKER_01 21:36

Yeah, and and people start to live by those those expiration dates. Yeah. And it leads them to do some very destructive things at times. It's one of the reasons I I'm a big believer that we have to be our own best advocate in medicine. We do. And I and I love a big part of what you teach and what you share is empowerment for people, awareness.

SPEAKER_00 21:57

Every patient came into my door, I said, Look, uh there's no Unions here, I'm your employee. You can hire and fire me. If you do fire me, tell me why so I don't do this to somebody else. But I want to set that energy up right up front that uh I'm working for you. And uh if you if you don't like what I do, tell me. And uh we fortunately that energy the doctor has all the answers, that's kind of gone away a little bit. Doctors, I think some of them don't like that. But uh I I think it's good. The internet has a big role in that, but just our overall awareness of our own health. When I started in practice, people didn't want to have symptoms. And that that moved a little bit to I want to be healthy. And that morphed into, I want to be vibrantly healthy, and that morphed into I want to feel at 60 like I felt at 30. And we're doing things now that enhance that. We are aware of our diet and we're aware of our bodies, and we're aware of the things that harm us. Now, that requires a little higher wellness IQ. You have a very high wellness IQ. That's why you could make the statement about uh your son in grief and and what it did to help you become a better person. Not many people can make that statement. They they need to reach that wellness IQ. And my job, doctor means teacher, my job was to teach. I I tried to make people aware of a higher wellness IQ. I had a bit of an elitist practice. My patients were healthier, wealthier, higher educated. It was a very easy way to do life for me because I had a rather elite clientele. How do they help you know, I practice in St. Louis, in East St. Louis, how did I help the black lady with six kids from four different fathers that has to choose between uh uh you know, gas for a car and gas for a home to eat it? It was a spiritual conundrum for me. Uh I would treat it for nothing. You know, when someone doesn't know the difference between a carbohydrate and protein, that's a tough starting point. You know, my patients came in, again, not healthy, wealthy, higher educated. So it's a conundrum, still is for me, very much a spiritual conundrum. But um again, my job was to teach. And uh I also had a referrals-only practice, so people came in referred by, you know, Catholics refer Catholics and and uh, you know, gay people refer gay people, and and th that's fine. That's their sphere of influence. And I my job was to love everybody can walk through my door, and I did.

SPEAKER_01 24:20

Let's talk about, let's break it down so people can really see. Let's start with, I think we did face shape, so let's talk about like hairline and like maybe forehead or ears.

SPEAKER_00 24:31

So there's 21 features on the face that have diagnostic value. And we don't have time to go through all of them, but the ears, for instance, represent longevity and risk taking. Now, what was interesting about your ears, which was rather shocking, was they were excessively high set, and that has to do with where the top of the ear is to the corner of the eye. Now, people with with that, they don't need the limelight. And I I was I was a little taken aback by that. I was reading it, but I I still look at your ears and I go, this is most actors, those ears are down here by their chin. I mean, yours are so high, which means you don't crave the limelight. Most actors do. And uh and share what you said to me. It was rather uh uh enlightening for me.

SPEAKER_01 25:18

Well, I I've never really chased that, but I think part of it is I got it so early in life that it wasn't the thing I needed. Is my perspective is I love what I do. I love the doing of it and the sharing of it. It's not about getting attention for it.

SPEAKER_00 25:31

Yeah. Yeah. It was a shocker for me. You know, I've been reading faces for four and a half decades. And you know, when I see something like, whoa, how could this that's not the norm that we see. If you look at our hairlines, where my hair in the temples, now obviously a receding hairline, but not then receding in the temples, is way, way back. Your hairline touches the corner of your eyebrows. This indicates uh um a rather strict upbringing, kind of uh had to conform to parental wishes. There's usually you see this a lot with pastors' kids. I don't know what your faith was, but but it it it usually there was some strict rules growing up. And then your hairline also has a little waviness, which tells us you probably rebelled a little bit against that. I had my moment. We didn't talk about that, but you know that those are those are interesting uh aspects. Now, what does that have to do with someone's health? Not not a lot, but it has a lot to do with communicating with people and understand that you know they can handle a real structured approach where I can't. You know, I I I had to grow on my own. And I just my and my mom was great. You know, we were taught what was proper, you know, and and we did what was proper. And for us, you may not agree with your elders, but by God, you respected them because that's what was proper, the good German Lutheran kind of upbringing that I had. But it it allowed me the freedom to have free thinking, and my buckethead probably came from that. I I just love the process of thinking, as do you.

SPEAKER_01 26:54

I was gonna ask you, you know, looking at my evaluation, you mentioned lines on my trangus, right? Going, I think going back to ears, right?

SPEAKER_00 27:02

Yes, right. Yep. So let me get back to the ears, and I'll I want to make sure I'm reading exactly what's here. Come to me, where are my ears? Yeah, so um there's um if you have lots of lines in front of this little bump right here, this is the opening of your ear, and this little bump's called the tragus. If you've got a lot of lines there, it indicates uh some less than stellar upbringing, uh little uh strains with uh parental support. You didn't have a lot of those, by the way. Um but but uh but there were some. So there was there was that. You know, again with strict upbringing, you're gonna have less of those than someone like me that has more because I I just you know, no, not gonna do that. You know, I wasn't mean about it, I just wasn't gonna do it.

SPEAKER_01 27:50

Now, one of the things I found super interesting is you talked about the M shape of my hairline. Yes. Yes. And and that was something that was super fascinating to me.

SPEAKER_00 28:01

Yeah. Again, you mainly see this in men. Women have the widow speak and they're very traditional. So the male that has M-shape, I'll just read it verbatim, uh, typically means you're creative, perceptive, affectionate, devoted, traditional. You're a strong leader and protector, you're open-minded, but not limited uh by rules or linear thinking. And I think that's you.

SPEAKER_01 28:25

Yeah, I would agree. I think anybody who's been around me very much will tell you that's me. Yeah. Um and and stubborn, I stubborn I definitely get to.

SPEAKER_00 28:34

Yeah, yeah. Well, look, there's nothing wrong with being stubborn. Many, many politicians are the iron face. Um Trump is an iron face, Hillary Clinton is an iron face, Putin is an iron face, Churchill was the classic iron face, just that perfectly square uh face. And again, strong, stable, stubborn. Uh and those traits are admirable traits. Um the problem in politics is people get into it and then they're they're swayed by finances and things like that. So I, you know, I love my country. My my government, you know I have issues. I don't care for either side of the fence because I I I I I don't feel there are people there with a servant's heart. I had a servant's heart. It made me who I was. I will never uh abandon that servant's heart. Uh my job was to serve mankind. But it also uh, you know, with us in our bucket face, that gift is intellect. So I was able to work my way through the the the minutiae that meant nothing. And so I I was able to focus on the things that I felt were important. And that it was just again, it is a gift that we have.

SPEAKER_01 29:41

When you look at things, like for example, when you see two politicians, like or when it's a lineup, for example, that you brought up politics and it's like a debate. Yep. Do you find yourself immediately evaluating what each person is and what their facial shapes are?

SPEAKER_00 29:56

100%. I I I I never vote. I never vote based on um what their political s persuasion is. I vote on what their face tells me.

SPEAKER_01 30:06

It's so funny. I took this book and as a writer and a director and a producer, I started looking at people who were cast for certain things.

SPEAKER_00 30:13

Sure.

SPEAKER_01 30:14

I was already kind of annoying to watch television and films with because the technical side of me and like all of the detail portion was already on overblast, probably because I'm a bucket. Um but then I started looking at like the why certain characters or certain people felt great from a casting standpoint, or why certain people felt out of out of space, out of shape, right? Sure. And I started looking at it and I was like, yeah, because all of their indicators are the opposite of what this person is supposed to be.

SPEAKER_00 30:43

Yeah. And a classic example, you know, Tommy Lee Jones, he's an iron face, is rugged and skin's marked and all that kind of stuff. Not gonna be in a romantic comedy. Right, not gonna happen. Ryan Reynolds, absolutely. Uh Matthew McConaughey, absolutely. Their faces are what we we expect to see in those situations. Now, put put uh Tommy Jones as a drill instructor or a soldier, man, that that that's him. And that's I think I think people that choose people for roles are aware of face reading, probably not to the level that I am. So my my advertising budget when I was in practice was zero for 40 years. I I didn't advertise. I I had a referrals-only practice. I didn't need to advertise, I didn't I didn't want more patients, I had more than I could handle. But when I left and retired, I I have another company called Shape Reclaim. That's uh my wife gained some way with menopause and lost her mind, and now I had to think through eyes of weight loss, and I hate that. But and I I invented a product called Shape Reclaim, and it's a national company, it's just phenomenal. I I needed help in getting out to the world, so I hired a marketing company. It's called the Hundredth Monkey, they're just wonderful. And the guy that does my filming, a guy named JJ, uh he's worked in in that film industry a lot, and he he just he knows things. But you know, to one of the first things they had me do was read the faces of um uh um Ted Lasso. What incre whoever picked those, it was phenomenal what they did. And that show was just so important for this nation because it happened kind of during COVID, and we realized there was some genuineness there. There was there was the bad guy and the good guy. And then there was Roy that with those thick eyebrows, that real angry energy, and all the liver lines that were there. And then you had the gal with the narrow skin, uh narrow chin, and she was the I forget her name now, but uh and then of course the gal that stole every scene she was in was the gal who ran the the the team got it from from her husband. They were so well chosen, and you just can't it's like who else could play Julie Roberts' part in Pretty Woman or Richard Gere. They were the right people for that part. And yeah, you can't you can't think of anybody else to do the part.

SPEAKER_01 33:12

No, and it's so specific. I mean, you mentioned eyebrows, right? Tell people what eyebrows mean. And and in your world, uh to paraphrase you, more is more, less is less.

SPEAKER_00 33:21

Right. Yeah, so eyebrows are about a passion, pride, temperament. And so your eyebrows are very thick. Uh you have a very strong constitution. I do also. Um kind of a blessing and a curse. The blessing is we have strong bodies, the curse is we can push them past our physical limits. We don't have that early warning mechanism that says stop because we just can push through. Now, your eyebrows are also very low set, which means you're very willing to help others. You don't have those Eva Gardner, well, that takes us back, doesn't it? Um, those real high-set eyebrows that are kind of aloof, and I dare you kind of to uh challenge me. And so they tell us so much. So if you're if you're checking out at a grocery store and there's all six have just piles of people, just look and you want a king face with high eyebrows. Because that gal's not, she's gonna get her job done, get it done, get it done, get it done. She's a Lucian, want to talk. If you take somebody like you or I with our low eyebrows and our bucket, oh what are you making with this? You know, there's lines of people. Don't get in that line. So the again, the universality of face reading can go any direction you want it to go.

SPEAKER_01 34:29

Yeah, it's so fascinating because I find myself now literally everywhere I go. I'm like, oh, I'm in a rush. Probably not that one, maybe this one, right? Or oh, okay. This person came up and they're real hot and like and fiery. It's like, I'm gonna be very patient. I got a little time with certain people, I don't have as much time to explain things. I I'm thinking about when I go into rooms to pitch shows. Yeah. The way, you know, identifying faces and understanding who needs what in communication. Yep. Talk about noses for a moment. Because that's the middle of a face and something people key in on, but we don't always Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 35:04

So nose nose represents power drive ego and leadership. So if you have a small nose, you can't be a leader? No. But you have to work harder to get that. Now, if that is the case, power drive ego leadership. I'm gonna say two words and you tell me what comes to your mind. And the words are Michael Jackson. And cut off his nose despite his face. Incredibly talented, beautiful human being, and just had everything power and and money and all that kind of stuff. But he had some deep dark issues, and he just uh couldn't live with who he was, and he literally took his nose to a point there was nothing there, and at the end he he had none of those things. And he couldn't sleep, and they gave him a drug to help him sleep and it killed him at age fifty. And it was just um wouldn't we all like to see what Michael Jackson would be like at 80 and what kind of energy he would still have? It it's it's amazing. Uh when you alter your face, it can have profound consequences. Am I against uh surgery, uh you know, facial surgery, that kind of thing? No. Look, if you if you get up every day and you look in a mirror and you hate your nose and you hate everything about you, get a nose job so you can quit having that kind of thing. But when you overdo it, I was given a class in Santa Monica, and there was about 40, 45 people in the audience. And I that's a nice size for me, because I can almost get everybody at some point in the talk. And uh there were these two gals. I couldn't tell if they were 30 or 50, and their breasts were perky and their butts were tight and their faces did not move when they talked. And these two gals, one of them said, I I'd like you to read my face, Dr. Don. And I said, Look, I I'm sorry, I I can't. Uh you you've had too much done. And the diagnostic indicators are so vague, I can't do it. And she she and her friend said, Well, we didn't have anything done, and the whole place cracks up because everybody knew they had something done. I'm concerned about that. Uh I I don't like what's happening in my body in the aging process. I played basketball into my 50s. I was invincible, and now I have spinal stenosis and sphere arthritis, and and I'm not happy about that uh because I thought it was invincible with my strong constitution. But I sure enjoy what has happened to my brain as I've aged. I I love the um the wisdom that comes by simply being on this earth and paying attention uh to what's going on in this earth.

SPEAKER_01 37:39

I think that's such a fascinating thing. I have told people, I'm not doing anything to my face. I am earning every one of these lines, every etching. Um it's really interesting. You know, we talked about the despair marker, right? Going back and looking at it, and I guess this uh goes back to my concept of grief, but like I I almost welcome that and am thankful for it now in a way that I never was before. It was a gift you gave me.

SPEAKER_00 38:06

Yeah. Look, I I've learned many lessons in life. I would like to learn a different way, but there are still lessons that were learned. And uh it was important for me to have those things to make me who I am. If we embrace the process of aging, I I I do not like the term anti-aging. What are you afrightened of? You know, uh I I think we need to embrace it. And we don't put the respect uh uh towards older people that many societies do, that they're they're the wise ones are the old ones. That's not um germane to our society. Uh we're also, you know, we we were built on a rebellious spirit. People came and left a very controlled situation so they can have the freedom the way they are. Same thing as in Australia. And so we talk with our hands and we talk loudly, we laugh loudly. We're not these humble and this kind of thing. It's inherent in the energetic principles of how this nation was built. That's fine. But you still have to have respect for all aspects. And and I I just uh I I think if we could just pay a little more attention to uh what's going on. I I had a dream once, and in the dream it taught me the difference between intention and attention. And what you pay attention to will drive your intention. Me as a physician, if I spend the last three hours of my evening watching pornography, and the next morning some and I have a fight with my wife uh and go to work and some cute little thing comes in with these things called leggings and and uh and they they show some interest. Weird, bad things can happen because my intention um was was affected by what I what I paid attention to. And so I've been always very careful on where I I place those two things. The other thing is uh that another dream um was information versus affirmation. Most of us seek affirmation. And and look, as a physician, we become specialized, and we you know, we're we're nephrologists or we're uh cancer, we're orthopedists, whatever. And we get really hypervisional learning more and more what we know a lot, what we already know a lot about. And I spent some time in that where I just kept learning more and more. And then one day it's done to me, I I'm I I could be a better doctor if I quit looking for affirmation and looking for information. So if I'm uh if I'm liberal, I'm not watching Fox. And if I'm um conservative, I'm not watching MSNBC, because that neither one would affirm my belief system, no matter what side of the fence you are. But are you gonna learn anything? And I and I see the division that is happening in this nation because we're all so focused on affirming what we believe that we don't have the love and respect uh for information. So I believe it's very important. The third dream, I have to finish this because my third dream, and it was James Earl Jones' uh uh 10x voice. It was the voice of God, and it said the the last dream I had, and these were years apart, it said, Son, you need to sit down for this one. And it said, I want to teach you the sweet spot of life. And the sweet spot is exactly one half the distance between arrogance and ignorance. And I went, Oh, yeah, I don't mind being ignorant. We don't mind being ignorant because we're bucketheads, we'll go learn and and become no longer ignorant. Arrogance? Yeah, yeah. Yeah, I I I walked that walk a little bit of my life, you know. I I I don't know how you survived the childhood actor and and came out of it as as balanced as you are. And I when I say you're balanced, it has more meaning than anybody else telling to you because I read faces and and I know what I'm I'm seeing. It is such it was such a powerful message to me to realize that that sweet spot of life is one halfway between ignorance and arrogance.

SPEAKER_01 41:58

Yeah, I you know, I have an acting coach who used to talk about arrogance uh is like body odor, right? It always stinks no matter what. And and I used to laugh because he always had a sense of humor about it, but he was pointing out something that's really interesting, which is I think there's a good, healthy part of confidence, right? Right. But we're promoting a level of arrogance that gets in the way of us growing and sharing and learning.

SPEAKER_00 42:24

Yeah, arrogance is confidence on steroids. Uh you know, it's just it's not a good thing.

SPEAKER_01 42:29

And anytime you you overdo it, you you know you lose that. I I love the intention, right? Intention is so important. And and then affirmation. I know everybody has natural to want some kind of affirmation. Right. I think for me, I learned early by watching people who got everything they ever dreamed of and working in entertainment. Yeah. I watched people who had fame and had money and had all these things and still were miserable. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 42:57

Or blew it up. If you're not happy with what you got, what makes you think having more is going to make you any happier? It's just I'll be happy when kind of energy. It's just amazing. Great quote I read by Jim Carrey. He said, I wish everybody could become rich and famous and only then come to the realization that's not what life's about. I I did his face um as a younger man and as an older. What a marvelous change in him. I don't know him personally. I would like to go to dinner with him, though, I'll tell you that. I I just I found his face absolutely fascinating to read, uh, the the change that occurred in him.

SPEAKER_01 43:29

Aaron Powell I was going to ask you about that, because I know you you do famous people on your social media, which if people have not already looked, they should absolutely you'll go down that rabbit hole and it's time well spent and it will teach you a lot. Who are some of the faces that you look at that you've seen over time where you're like, I love the change that they've made.

SPEAKER_00 43:49

Wow. Um I did the Beatles before when they were young and all of them towards the end. The only Beetle that did not change was George Harris. Harrison He was a fireface and he when he was young and he died a fireface. Very, very sensitive. He was the quiet beetle, the introspective beetle. And they all they all had a bit of a change. And again, there's nothing bad with the change. They just let life happen and their bodies adapted. But Harrison didn't. I was fascinated by that. Robert Redford never changed. He was always a king face, a natural leader. So both sides of the fence. Very, very fair. And he people like to look at king faces. They're natural leaders, so we like to look at king faces. Look at the uh ads for for any kind of clothing store, with the exception of a sax and demonmarcus. They want that jade face that um that haughty I dare you to purchase from me. You know, they they want to be aloof and haughty and a step above everybody else. But everybody else likes to look at that king face. They're they're a very likable face to look at. We enjoy, we know they can lead us. And they're often put in leadership positions. Oftentimes my wife is sitting right here where they don't want to be. And uh so as a as a bucket face, I needed a and you and I both uh talked about uh ADD. I had ADD before they called it that. But I love my ADD. I love how my brain works. I I think fashion anybody I know. But I I float all over the place. I need a tether in my life. And my tether is my beautiful king face wife. She keeps she lets me float because but she doesn't let me float away. Now, what terrifies people like you and I as an anchor, someone that holds us down and and just tries to control everything about us, it's not gonna be good. It's just not a healthy environment. But she would allow me to come up with these ideas and then take those ideas and make them into something fantastic. I'm sitting here today because of her, because she was able to what I remember when when she said, Look, you're gonna have to start teaching this face diagnosis. I said, Lynn, I I can't do that. It's an intuitive thing. I I can't teach it. She says, Well, you're gonna. And I said, I can't. She says, You are. And and I did. And it went from there to uh a little bitty blip on a conference I was in, and then I went to a four-hour course, and then I did a 12-hour talk on face diagnosis, and ended up my daughter and I writing a book, and we're about to write a finish my no, my wife and I writing the second book, uh, which is WTF, Why the Face, What You're Gonna Do. Uh My mother's line, I I love my mother, and she was great wisdom. And she would always give me insight in things that I didn't know just because she in eighth grade education, but she had some street cred. But when she didn't know the answer, she would always say, Well, what you gonna do? So, in homage to my wife, my excuse me, my mother, uh, this this the first book, everybody loved it. And but the question they came, well, well, now I got all this information. Now what do I do? What you gonna do? So this book is about if you see a line across the forehead that droops down, it means you're pooping uphill. This is our intestine, and our intestine comes up on the right, our ascending colon, it turns by the liver, it traverses the abdomen transverse colon, it turns by the spleen, it descends, sigmoid, and out comes poop. So if this thing across here is going like this, you're pooping uphill. And that can create all kinds of interesting problems with gas and bloating. And and and we tell you if you see this, you might want to consider this, this, and this. So we kind of give you a what you're gonna do kind of energy. We are thoroughly enjoying it. I thought we could kill each other, possibly. But um it has been just a remarkable experience uh sharing this. Uh my daughter wrote every word of the first book other than when about the author I wrote about her, she wrote about me. That's the only words I actually physically wrote. And we took all my my AD and ADD infused verbiage verbiage and turned it into the book that it is. And uh now this is more of a collaboration with Lynn and I. There's a there's um the other had a lot of information. There's a depth of spirituality to this book that uh um that I really like. And it was time for it to move to the next stage. So WTF two, what you're gonna do is when, sweetie. End of May. Possibly it'll be done.

SPEAKER_01 48:19

Yeah, I think it's amazing. Linda's so sweet. Uh I have to say this. I have to give her compliments. Um she's such a great communicator. She was she was tremendous to interact with, and she has an amazing warmth. I'm thinking about the as you ran through that, I'm like, maybe I should be asking you what you what face should I be looking for if I'm looking for a partner?

SPEAKER_00 48:40

You know, I've been asked that. I I did a little uh course uh that you can purchase online about relationships and what to look for, what not to look for. Uh but I does a king face go well with the with a bucket face? Well, it does in our situation, not without its its struggles. Most of those struggles came from me. Obviously, Linda has incredible taste, except in men. So uh yeah. Look, when you're trained as a physician, everything comes through those medical eyes. And so it was hard for me when so the we formed a company with two other gentlemen, a guy named Aaron and a guy named Doug, and um they wanted to do an AI version of my book, and I said, Ah, that that's not doable. And Aaron, who's kind of a genius when it comes to that kind of stuff, he said, Look, if you can teach me how to read faces, I can teach a computer. And I go, I can teach you how to read faces. And off I went. And then Doug came on board, big non-believer in facial diagnosis, and I did a workup on him, and I I I knew nothing about him. And I said, Look, uh, you've had multiple TBIs and probably got PTSD. Well, he was a 23-year vet special ops in the military and you know blew blew him away. So Doug is the CEO of the company because I suck at business and and and he's good at business, and Aaron is in the background. But we um we we developed uh the AI version and we we focused in on four areas because Doug's connection to the military, we focused in on PTSD, post-traumatic stress disorder, traumatic brain injury, TBI concussion, depression, and despair. And so we had to go pitch this to the Department of War, uh, the VA, uh specifically the Wounded Warrior program. And and um so Doug talked to them about the the mechanics of AI, and he said, Look, you gotta come because I can't explain what you what you know. And so I got up there and I said, Look, you know, do we want this contract with the with the government? Absolutely. But what we want is we want to make a difference in the lives of soldiers. And I said, we have the ability to early detect PTSD, traumatic brain injury, depression, and despair. And some guy in the back raised his hand, he says, Well, what's the difference? And I said, interesting point. If a soldier has PTSD and they're depressed, they may commit suicide. Depression is I'm depressed, this is the reason why. If a soldier has a soldier has PTSD and despair, suicidal ideation went up a thousand fold. That's the soldier's going to kill himself, and we can spot it. And this guy at the break came running up to me, he says, I I have never had this explained to me this way. He says, I I'm in charge of the VA suicide hotline. And and he said, This is phenomenal. So we signed a five-year contract with them, and it was uh I cried like a baby when they signed that thing. I had to leave the room. I I just burst into tears because I the the the possibility that we could save the lives of thousands of people is within um an angstrom unit away from a distance standpoint. And that's um that means a lot.

SPEAKER_01 51:49

Yeah, I this is something that you and I talked about, and I am I I'm come from a military family. I'm sure it's a huge supporter of our military, and they don't get nearly the support that they deserve. No, and to have a system, you know, talk about like, for example, eyes, right? Because you can you can pretty much tell pe people if they've had traumatic brain injuries.

SPEAKER_00 52:12

Aaron Powell Yeah. If your pupils are unlevel, there's some inflammatory situation, there's a heaviness to the inflamed side. When you're inflamed, the body says, I'm gonna put out the fire, I'll throw some water on that. So that creates heaviness, and that drops one of your eyes lower. So there's brain inflammation. Is it a concussion? Probably, but uh there could be infection, any kind of inflammatory situation can be picked up, but we have other ways of telling what's what. And so when you see pupils are on level, status, you know, straight straight ahead kind of view, uh, that's a sign we got a TBI. 100% accurate. Never, never, never not been accurate.

SPEAKER_01 52:48

Yeah, and you know, you're such a purpose-driven person. I am. Tell people how to identify other purpose-driven people, because I find for me it's incredibly important because what I'm building, where I'm going, I need other people who have purpose and drive.

SPEAKER_00 53:05

You gotta, you gotta look at what uh what they do and what they say. I was watching um uh a pastor give a talk, and I was with another group of guys, it was a men's Bible study, and and uh the talk was very, very good. The talker was not. And I'm looking at him and this guy's bad guy. And so at the end, we finished this 20-minute uh movie or this clip, and we went in a different room and we started talking about it. I didn't say anything. And and finally, the elder who kind of ran the show, his name was Ben, he said, So Toddy, you hadn't had much to say. And I he didn't you enjoy the talk. I said the talk was very good. And he said, And I said, I said, how many times did this pastor say I mentored these young men? And they go, I don't remember saying it all. I said he said it six times. If you are a mentor, you will never say, I will mentor this person. We we can't do that. It's not, it won't come out of our mouth because it's too precious of a word to throw out as a strength for us. We mentor because it's a calling, not because it's something we want to do. It's something we have to do. So when someone says I mentored them, and the guy his lips were un uh wavy, he had a deep thing in his chin, he was cheating on his wife. I mean, the the guy was a bad guy, and he was a pastor. And and uh so by the end of the and I explained all the things that I saw on this guy, and they go, Oh my goodness, you're right. That was terrible. I said, no, the talk was not terrible. The talker was, in fact, not a good guy.

SPEAKER_01 54:44

Talk for a moment about lips and about wavy lips so people understand what that means.

SPEAKER_00 54:49

Yeah. So if if we both close our mouths, very, very straight line. Now I'm not talking where the lips are on top, it's where they meet. That determines whether it's wavy or not. So you and I are both straight talkers. Now the other side of the coin, lying to us is not going to bode well for the liar. We don't like people lie to us. Kind of off with their head kind of thing. So in the book, um uh we show uh uh it's the second last uh on lips, a straight line, straight talker. Now the lips below it are there's a very wavy line between the lips. That wavy line is Vladimir Putin. So just a hitchhike on that point, he's an ironface, strong, stable, stubborn. Stable, you know, when I say that about Trump and say he's not stable. Well, whatever. You know, Hillary's strong, stable, stubborn. She's not, you know, let it go. Just you you have an attitude and let it go. But what else both of us have these really deep creases right here. They're called folling lines. I pretty much washed out most of the traditional Chinese medicine term, because most of this is based on TCM, traditional Chinese medicine. And medically they're called nasal label lines, which doesn't sound right to me. I just don't like the term.

SPEAKER_01 55:59

It's not it's not my favorite. I like fouling.

SPEAKER_00 56:02

Folling is FA hyphenology. Folly means purpose and spiritual strength. And if your purpose is to line your pockets with cash, you will not develop these lines. You and I have this incredible purpose. I'm coming back to what you would look for. You want to see these lines. These are the people that have purpose. And if they don't have those lines, now you're not gonna have them at 20. If you do, you're a you're a step above spiritually. But Putin is strong, stable, stubborn, has no following line. Sometimes the diagnostic indicators what should be there and isn't. This guy's in his 60s, he should have these lines. And he doesn't tell the truth. Let's put him in charge of the country and see how that goes. You know, that that's not gonna go well. It is not uh it's not something that's good.

SPEAKER_01 56:45

It's amazing because you watch the patterns and then you look at people and you start matching people and you start matching patterns. I've always been a person, you know, action is more important to me than the words people use. You know, and that's you know, part of the consistency of what I'm looking for.

SPEAKER_00 57:00

Yeah, what can do are different.

SPEAKER_01 57:03

Yeah. And as you get to this stage in your life, right? We talked about wisdom. Yeah. What are two pieces of wisdom you wish people had given you when you were younger and that you want to pass on?

SPEAKER_00 57:15

You know, part of this wisdom just comes by being on this earth a long enough period of time. I had my mentors, I had wonderful men that spoke into my life. Not that women didn't, but I mine just happened to all be men. Uh I I worked in a Clark gas station in high school. This was before self-serve, that's how old I am. And this man taught me how to be a boss. And he, you know, he you you uh praised in public and you chastise uh quietly. And uh and I I had a a mentor in in the doctor world, he was just this brilliant man. I had a basketball coach that just uh my father died when I was um nine. It was an alcoholic, and he was my father. And I was too cool at 18 to tell him how much he meant to me. Later in life we connected back up and it was great. Um and and then this Dr. Yenny, who just uh was an amazing physician, that he was my acupuncture mentor. And uh and they just uh they were they were men that spoke into my life. Dr. Yenny once said um he said how many seeds are in an apple? And so yeah, I'm sitting here, I well you can't cut it this way, you've got to cut it this way. And there's a star. Is there are there four? Are there five? Are there six? Does it depend on the apple? Well, there's five. I'm I'm just deeply concentrating on how many seeds are in an apple. And uh he said, now just stop your brain. And he said, now, how many apples are in a seed? And you just wait a minute. You plant a seed, it grows a tree, it's infinite. I mean, it never ends. I I believe that piece of information allowed me to think the way I think. I'm always looking for how many apples are in a seed.

SPEAKER_01 59:06

Yeah, I think you've planted a lot of seeds today. I think um you've definitely planted some in me, and I'm sure that people are going to take from this and start to grow. Hopefully they'll go to your current book, and then when the new one comes out, they'll go to that too. And I hope that they go to your social media and kind of explore because you're opening a world to a lot of people that they've never seen before.

SPEAKER_00 59:28

It is. And you know, people think it's woo-woo until they have it done, and then they go, Oh my goodness, there's no way you can know this kind of thing. And I I uh it's rare that I miss uh at this point in my career simply because everything is there. It's like reading Russian. Uh or when we invaded um Kuwait and there were these green highway signs with these squiggly lines, and they're in Arabic. I can't read Arabic, so they meant nothing to me. But if you tell me how to read Arabic, I know how to get from A to B. So this is really nothing more than a language that if you learn it, you can't unlearn it. You cannot walk through an airport and not go, mm, and mmm, and it, it's, it's, it never leaves.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:17

No, it's it's so valuable. And I find myself going back to the book, going back to the details, and then I'm fascinated. Every time you post a new video of a new person, I'm I'm trying to beat you to certain parts, trying to guess certain parts, trying to test myself and evaluate my ability to see it. But you gave me a new language, right? A new language by which to see the world. Yes. Now, if you could if you could guide people from here on out, what is the thing you want to guide people to the most?

SPEAKER_00 1:00:50

You know, uh back to Dr. Yenny. Uh I I'm a young, brilliant doctor. Only one of those adjectives was true. Um, and he said, now, as young professionals, you're gonna go through three phases in your career. You're gonna go through survival. And man, I could relate to that. I was probably 28. I did not have a booming practice. I was honing my skills, I was doing what I needed to do to get people to come in, try to do a good job so they would refer. And he said, now the second phase you're gonna go through is success. Now, this was the Mercedes 80s. I mean, it was all about the car you drove and the house and the bank account. And I'm thinking, I'm 28 years old probably, I'm thinking, what the hell is better than success? And he just let this wonderful pregnant pause just lay there, and he said, the last is significance. We've both met many very, very successful people that were miserable, multiple wives, horrible human beings. Have you met anybody that you deem significant that didn't have a piece about them that was palpable? So uh my goal is to be significant. Uh I I will strive for that till the day I die. Uh I'm often asked what's my favorite uh favorite book, and I always say, well, my my second favorite book is well, what's your favorite? I said, I don't have one, I haven't read it yet, and I don't ever want to read it because that'll stop me from looking. And so I have many second favorite books. I love illusions by Richard Bach. I just read Let Them by Mel Robbins. What amazing book. It was just fantastic. It's the second book, best book I ever read. And I'm still waiting. And I'll never find the best book because it it will stop me from becoming significant.

SPEAKER_01 1:02:39

Yeah, I never want to stop filling up my bucket.

SPEAKER_00 1:02:42

Me either. And we have a bucket to fill, don't we not?

SPEAKER_01 1:02:45

We do. And and thank you for making me aware of it because it made certain aspects make so much more sense for me. Yeah. It does. And I love the way you shine your light into the world, Dr. Todd.

SPEAKER_00 1:02:59

Thank you. Appreciate that.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:00

And and I'm gonna pick on you because when the new book comes out, I'm gonna have to bring you back.

SPEAKER_00 1:03:04

Oh, well, geez, I I I I'll see if I can squeeze that into my schedule. I have to run that by my boss, sorry. Okay.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:11

Well, uh I may I may campaign on my end to Linda then.

SPEAKER_00 1:03:16

Have your people call my people. Absolutely.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:19

Thank you. Thank you for coming on Lighthouse. You bet. You bet. I deeply appreciate it. It's a pleasure. Thank you. Glad to be here.