Different Not Less - Real People, Real Ability Podcast Ep3 - James and mate Jacob Carol

Different, Not Less – Episode 3: Jacob Carroll

In this inspiring and entertaining episode of Different, Not Less, James sits down with his long-time mate Jacob Carroll for a conversation about friendship, disability, independence, and everything in between.

From their school days as two of the first students with disabilities to serve on their school's leadership committee, to navigating life as young adults, James and Jacob reflect on the challenges, achievements, and funny moments that have shaped their journey.

Jacob shares his experiences living with cerebral palsy, what people often misunderstand about disability, and how he has developed a strong sense of independence. He opens up about managing his own supports, travelling away from home, building confidence through sport, and giving back to the community through volunteering.

The conversation also explores family life, friendships, basketball, relationship advice, and the importance of stepping outside your comfort zone. Along the way, there are plenty of laughs, stories, and good-natured banter between two mates who have known each other for years.

Most importantly, Jacob offers valuable insights for young people with disabilities who want to become more independent, while reminding us all that disability does not define what a person can achieve.

A heartfelt, honest, and uplifting conversation that proves being different is not a limitation—it's a strength.

Different, Not Less. Real people. Real stories. Real ability.

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Host: James Carey

Co Host and Producer: Shane Bitschkat

Production Company: Iron Monarch Studios

Transcript

SPEAKER_06 0:11

Good morning, everybody, and welcome back to the Disability Hour. And now today we have a very special episode for you of the Disability Hour with Shane and Jones. How are you doing today, Shane? I'm going good, mate. How are you? Good, thank you. Excellent, you had a great week. I had an interesting week. I had to do a dance workshop this week, and as we both know, neither of us are pro dancers.

SPEAKER_04 0:43

You tell me about it.

SPEAKER_06 0:44

I had a friend who I was doing this dance workshop with, and he's the train ballet dancer, and then there's me in the mix who um God knows what could happen.

SPEAKER_05 0:55

Hey, you gave it a go, mate. That's all that matters. Just concentrate on giving it a go.

SPEAKER_06 1:00

Now, ladies and gentlemen, here we go. Today, we have a very special guest. We have my dear friend in our first podcast episode with a disability in real life. We have Jacob Carroll. Good morning, Jacob. Hello, how are you? Good, how are you, mate? I'm good. I'm good. So, how did you guys meet? So, would you like to explain the story, Jacob, or do you think I know a bit more? Um, depends what you want, mate.

SPEAKER_07 1:34

Like, do you want to explain it?

SPEAKER_06 1:36

So, we initially met when we were seven or eight at the disability trust when we were used to play soccer together back in the day. And as we both know, I'm not really a sportsman. No. I was only going there for the social aspect. You were going there for dance, weren't you? You're playing dance and dead. And I was there because I knew there would be an audience for games. Ah, legend. What was it like from who do you think was the best soccer player? Jacob You're right. Yes, I preferred to play a game called shitting soccer.

SPEAKER_07 2:21

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 2:23

It's where I sit on my bum on a soccer ball for a few hours.

SPEAKER_05 2:27

You know what? I've just walked into that one year, Garrett. Go on, yeah, mate. We already started kicking off of the jokes. Well done. So, how long were you guys in school for? All the years or for a couple of years?

SPEAKER_06 2:39

So we were in soccer together for about two to three years. And then funnily enough, years later, we actually went to high school together from year seven to year 12. Yeah. And how was that like?

SPEAKER_05 2:54

I can see you guys behind the toilets having smokes and carrying on like typical teenagers.

SPEAKER_06 3:00

How was it from your perspective, Jacob? Because you were in a mainstream classroom and I was always in a supportive sort of support class. How was it from your perspective?

SPEAKER_07 3:14

Um, school was up and down for me. I would say it was it was good overall, but um we didn't but for example me and you, we didn't get into talk much because we were in different areas of school.

SPEAKER_06 3:32

Yes.

SPEAKER_07 3:32

Um so yeah, I would say school. Um yeah, school was it was pretty up and down for me.

SPEAKER_06 3:44

Yeah, same with me. I had to advocate a lot throughout school to be um more with the mainstream and break down the barrier, really. And back in school, you and I were both the school captains, and we were the first two people with a disability to be a school captain. Well, that's a piece of new information I didn't know about that. Yeah. I was a diversity leader and Jacob was uh house leader. How was it from your perspective, Jacob being the two first house leaders with disabilities?

SPEAKER_07 4:20

It was pretty cool to be honest. Um, yeah. Um I because I'll tell you I'll tell you about the story how I didn't how I didn't realise that I was cool captain. So on the on the day that was that was everything else, I was in I was sick, like I had a test infection that day. And then um my brother comes home and he's like, oh um guess what, I'm asked what and then he's like, oh, you you've been chosen a school captain for we with um a lovely partner named Alicia. Oh wow, cool. Yeah, she was nice. Um and then um Yeah. And then the um I didn't think I was gonna get it to be honest, because um I panic because um we have to do an interview and no one knew about the interview. Like it was very un unexpected. And then um the the lady, the assistant coordinator for yeah, she wrote me an email because I was sick. And she asked me, oh, okay, can you hop on a gym call with me? And then I was like, yeah, sure. And then she was like, oh, um So we just can't ask you three questions about what what what you'd be good for house rigger, and I was like, oh, okay. Legend, yeah, yeah. And then um, yeah, um then this this story goes on, I got I got House Rigger, James got diversion rigger, yeah, and then I can guess how it goes on.

SPEAKER_06 6:22

You can Yes, and for me it was totally different because I went through the process of going for school captain, and I knew I wasn't gonna get that, and I didn't, so then I went through the process of going for a house leader, funnily enough, too. And my story about me getting it is similar to Jacob. I had a foot infection at the time, and I came into my principal's office, literally hopping into my principal's office. The only reason why I went to school funnily enough that day is because I knew I had a 9 a.m. meeting with my principal regarding my career. And I walked in and he said to me, James, I'm very impressed with everything you've had to give to this school. And one thing I said in my speech was, why don't we just break down the wall between mainstream and support? And I have had one person who is still my friend to this day, a lovely gentleman named Luke, and he really helped me become more inclusive for the school, and we did stuff with the mainstream. Personally, I wish it kept on going on. I asked people, I asked around a few people who I thought could do it, no one was willing to do it, so they're not still doing it to this date, from my understanding. But if any schools would like to do it, try it out and see how your students go.

SPEAKER_05 8:09

Okay, well, obviously, you guys were that proud to be representatives in a school with disabilities. Did you um did you implement new changes in that school for people with disabilities? Because I can only imagine what it would be like for you guys going in. You would have made some massive changes. Can you just tell us about one of those changes you made?

SPEAKER_06 8:32

So, one of the changes I made is I signed up for this ABC Doco and I ended up getting it. And one thing was we decided to do a whole segment on our leadership team, and Dylan Alcott actually saw it, and he advocated for me to get further in that diversity world. The day I told Jacob that a close-up of him was seen by Dylan Alcott. Do you remember Jacob? You were so shocked.

SPEAKER_07 9:13

Yeah. I was very shocked.

SPEAKER_06 9:18

Yes. Personally, so was I. My cousin sent it to me one day, and I thought, how'd he find it?

SPEAKER_07 9:26

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 9:27

Well, what about you, Jacob? What's what's one thing that you felt you've changed to make a difference in um while you're on that leadership committee?

SPEAKER_07 9:35

Um, to be honest, I don't think I really got made that much of a difference because uh my role is kind of different to James in a way. Like I was doing I was encouraging my house to participate more myself. But um I disability wise, I I wouldn't say, I wouldn't say I'm making that much of an impact.

SPEAKER_05 10:06

Well, mate, I've got a funny feeling you've made a bigger impact than what you actually think, mate.

SPEAKER_06 10:10

Yeah, seriously, I think out yourself too much.

SPEAKER_05 10:13

Yeah, you yeah, you acknowledge people with disabilities, you're being there done, mate. That and and not everything um is achievable by an actual physical action, it's just the presence of being there makes a massive difference. And stop being too hard on yourself, champion. All right, so Jacob, what do you um what changes would you make? And this is a a question for both of you, but Jacob, I'll start with you first, mate. What changes would you make now being out of school for such a long time? Well, I won't say too long, obviously you still are year and a half. Year and a half, what changes would you make?

SPEAKER_07 10:51

I would say well changes for myself. I would say um take more opportunity because um in school, like as I said it was up and down. Um it was like up and down for a reason I didn't take I didn't take as much opportunities as I should. And um I feel as uh I didn't I didn't get increased as much because of my disability and um I also I just wish that people could have seen me for who I am.

SPEAKER_05 11:36

Yep, a hundred percent, mate. Yeah, and that's what we're trying to do with this podcast. With guys like you, I've got a funny feeling you're gonna be a regular, mate. If not, you're gonna be sitting in this chair pressing buttons for me, mate, because I'm gonna get interviews sooner or later. You never know. I got an eye on you, mate. You're a beast, you're gonna be in the monkster.

SPEAKER_06 11:54

What about you, mate? So for me, it was pretty similar to Jacob. I did have to advocate regularly to be more accepted, and for quite a few years there, I wanted to become a musician or something big in the music world, and I still am to this day. And I did a mainstream music course for about three years. Yeah. On my first day of year nine, when I first started with the music course by the second day, they wouldn't let me do the theory, and that part I understand because I couldn't physically do it, but I always went to the practical. The teacher wasn't sure about someone with an intellectual disability, right? Or and I had to advocate for about three years to say, I belong in this class, I need to be in this class, and I'm not leaving until you give me the right answer. Right.

SPEAKER_05 13:04

Good point. Excellent. And you've got to keep that momentum open um up for the rest of your life.

SPEAKER_08 13:10

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 13:11

And and make people aware of it. All right, let's move on to disability in daily life.

SPEAKER_06 13:16

Jacob, would you mind telling me a bit about your disability? Because I know you've got a rare case of cerebral palsy.

SPEAKER_07 13:25

Yes. In fact, I do. I have a type of case. I think I'm not too sure. Uh my cerebral pausey is iberpausy. Um, so um, when I was born, um me, I have a twin brother, by uh me and my twin were in the room and my twin brother he ate most of the nutrients and stuff in the room. And I didn't get any. And then that's what like uh damaging my brain. And then that's how I um came out with my disability because I was very sick when I was a baby. Um, in fact like I almost I almost was on my last legs. I was in a I was in a hospital for like eight months or something like that. And um luckily some doc some very good doctors came and helped me and yeah. But um my disability I I can just do get like muscle spices and sometimes I can't control my movements and stuff and then yeah I think my disability is alright.

SPEAKER_05 14:57

Um you live with cerebral palsy day to day. Yeah, I can only imagine how difficult it is for you. Yeah, how and if you don't mind going through the motions, how do you go through your day? Because um bringing we need to bring light to this, and I think people don't understand what happens behind closed doors. Yeah, how do you help yourself?

SPEAKER_07 15:22

Um to be honest, I so my gay today is I gay depends on that. I'm busy front with like sometimes how to gym, sometimes I'll do I'm a very ac I'm a very active person. And um like but some things I always help with is like transporting um like say for example filling filling up my power and stuff like that. But um and then chopping up chopping up food like that's it should be a basic it should be a basic thing for anyone, but it's hard for me.

SPEAKER_06 16:15

So um I'm pretty sure you can you can understand like what That's a hard thing for me too, and I don't cook.

SPEAKER_05 16:28

There you go. Um what what's one of the uh misunderstandings of your disability?

SPEAKER_07 16:37

Oh um I've actually got a good one. Um people think that I have a mental disability, but I don't. Which is um it can it can hurt me a little bit. Yeah because people always assume things um which is I don't I don't have any some any form of ASC or autism or anything like that. My um my disability is just terrible for you.

SPEAKER_06 17:15

Okay, have you got any more questions relating to not believe that you were judged the way you were through school I'm still trying to process that, but from my understanding right now is wow. It's like for me, for example, I've always wanted to be an actor and I would import all of the school musicals, yeah, but I always went in for a principal, I always got ensemble because they couldn't trust someone with a disability to be a lead role, and it's like, but now I'm in the adult world, they're a lot more accepting at auditions and they're a lot more understanding, and that's how it should be.

SPEAKER_05 18:11

Yeah, it's called education, and yeah, yeah. And that's what we're trying to do.

SPEAKER_06 18:14

Some people are more educated than others, I will agree to that, but there are some people in the world who are just need a bit more education, and for those people, please watch this podcast. Yeah, that could help you learn a bit more about people like us.

SPEAKER_05 18:34

Well, talking about helping, um, and this is a question for both of you, so I'll start with Jacob first. Yeah, obviously, there's people out there who want to help and and go out of their way to try and help you.

SPEAKER_08 18:47

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 18:47

Um is there been any instances or examples where someone's tried to help, but they're more of a hindra to helping you? Like they're trying to help, but they're really not being helpful.

SPEAKER_07 19:02

Oh um They're having some like multiple I would say like um, someone can't help me with I can I can be passionate for it. Anyway, someone help me, trying to help me with schools off like I can do that. I just need to survive someone like that. I'll run that. Um honestly like what what I said before with like people assuming I have my a mental disability. Yeah, um it can affect things like my school people always can't help me. And I I don't need help. I just need someone to help me physically. Yeah, and yeah.

SPEAKER_05 19:56

Yeah, physical assistance. Yeah, yeah. No, it's that's absolutely fantastic.

SPEAKER_06 20:00

This is my last question after this for you, Jacob, but for these half folks. But my answer to that is yes, there have been people in my life who have tried to help me who are absolutely no assistance at all. And yes, you do probably more than likely know who you are, but no, I'm gonna start throwing up throwing people on the buses.

SPEAKER_03 20:30

That's cool. Let's go. No uh no names. Here we go. No name. Jacob knows exactly me. He's on to you today.

SPEAKER_05 20:39

We're first onto your champion. Let's go. Have receipts. We need receipts before we need evidence.

SPEAKER_06 20:45

It'll be off there, gentlemen. Come on, mate. Okay, my next question for you, Jacob, is how did it feel for you? So I understand you are also a part-time TAFE student. How do you struggle or not struggle with TAFE living with a disability?

SPEAKER_07 21:14

Um I'll put the struggles and unstruggles, you know, like like posing comments. Oh, so um, struggles. I um have trouble struggle with speaking of my disability affecting my speech. Um like say for example, and then I'll probably have to speak and then I'll probably have to say what like can you repeat yourself again or something like that? Yeah. And then um I'll be stuck what I do again is my and I can't write my own. So I have the I have a support worker who can describe. me and so and the non struggles I get. Um it's I can I I can understand things quickly in my opinion, I do. Um and then excellent. And then um the um the other non struggle I get is that um I I believe I believe my tafe will help me like get into the career that I want to get into. Um which reality isn't gonna stop me.

SPEAKER_05 22:40

So I do what safe course you're doing?

SPEAKER_07 22:44

I am doing a define my in sports in recreation.

SPEAKER_05 22:48

Wow yeah that's some serious gig serious gig there dude okay folks now we're gonna go to a 20 minute break we'll be back in 20 minutes oh okay we're gonna hear for gas boxes oh right okay oh I got oh I've got to press Jacob um or if you want to keep going you can no no no we'll have a break I think we need a break but just letting you know here's the boss he he bosses me around all the time so you'll get used to this we'll just cut to a break and I'm running around like a hell that's why I'll press buttons yeah all right so let's don't you laugh you've got to check you like one more question from me okay actually you know what exactly I want questions from Jacob yes um Jane yes and Shane yeah um what Shane I know you haven't brained discipline correct yeah but correct yes um does your brain discipline affect you like um it it it affects my memory so what happens is it's like um when I I when you're learning lines in in uh acting um I I read the lines but I can't compute them it takes a long long time for things to stick into my head um I I was in special ed when I was in primary school yeah um and my parents fought to get me out of that so I had to repeat year six and went into mainstream yeah but even then you know I was on average classes to lower average but always had a memory issue where um learning lines um what else um headaches major major migraines all my life I had epilepsy when I was going to teenage years yeah um it affects me that way and it still affects me today it's like everything has to be written down and you'll see me looking at it and you'll see me looking at it half a dozen times. Yeah it that's where it comes down to um and I've just had to learn to adapt certain ways and how to do certain things and I I've got myself into a routine now that um I memorize I I think analytically it has to be in order I can't jump around it does I I I can't handle it.

SPEAKER_06 25:19

So which then affects anxiety and stuff so yeah um fantastic question um this is the first time I've been interviewed so I overpass the gig mate well yes my boss I might just take your sport mate in in my well there you go we might have to swap the the swap the chairs in the second half mate here we go all right um did you answer your question of James um my answer to that question would be for me I'm fabulous with my memory and but I can't read so I'm learning how to read but I go by a memory and by a visual cues and that's been a struggle for me for all my life especially in the performing arts world it's like I need a carer or a mum or a dad to come with me to every rehearsal that involves reading until I feel comfortable to be there alone thank you so much folks we'll be back in 20 minutes all right guys we'll be back with Jacob's different not less podcast um James looks like you might be co-host champion just let you know we might have three co three hosts now okay he's a he's a he's a I'm happy to be a co-host if you want to you know what I'm seriously thinking about this I think we need to I can more than happy to be behind the scenes but I I want to give you guys guidance I'll give you guidance but I want you guys to run it yeah and if you want to have a crack have a crack I'll just sit in the background mate and I'm happy to have a crack then when we get people to do interviews come and do an interview interview on the I'll message you when we have our interviews yeah all right well let's go to a break let's have a a a session and we'll talk after that but um guys uh thanks for listening um welcome we're gonna be going to the second half in the sh in a minute um if you can please support our sponsors uh in any way you can they'll be great if you want to become a sponsor let us know um we're more than welcome to put your branding all over it um and just to help us out to get um everybody educated in disabilities moving forward thank you so much folks see you in 20 minutes see you shortly everyone has a story at Iron Monarch Studios we believe those stories deserve to be heard and seen from heartfelt documentaries to powerful theater influences Iron Monarch Studios captures real life real voices and real communities we specialise in bringing life stories to the screen stage stories of resilience laughter heritage and hope told by the people who live to whether you're looking to share your journey preserve a local legacy or be a part of something truly meaningful ion Monarch Studios is refuge.

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SPEAKER_06 31:52

Atlas security at the wave of a hand good morning everybody and welcome back to I'm Bark Studios the disability hour and we're back again with Jacob Carroll and now Jacob I'll tell you right now this half is not as deeper questions than the first half yeah I'm happy we'll go okay all right Jacob can you please tell me a bit about your work experience what you do as a homeless hub sandwich maker I'll tell you what I do.

SPEAKER_07 32:38

Okay um multicultural services is called I'm a multicultural services and I do like a um I do a program called eating and I swear you make changes for kids I don't have a package and I bring them to school schools and then they can and then I give chemistry to people I don't I don't bring a pack on to school or forget to bring a pack on and then the second kind of work experience I do I do two work experiences. The second one is I do a basketball coach okay so uh funny funny story how I got that I got that from um uh my disability father the same one I mean my the young the general manager the general manager he said my um she was higher she asked him um if um she was telling him about my work experience my case and um he said oh I can offer I can offer Jacob as long as an assistant basketball for my son's basketball team which is under change I've been doing that for a couple of weeks actually um and we just played a game recently and we won. Oh congratulations and apparently it was our best game in best game all season really what was the score it was like 44 to like 36 or something like that. Well it was tight but it was that was it win's a win mate regardless yeah and then um he's like oh um you'll probably have a Google child so um mean though and I'm hoping I can continue with those two work experiences.

SPEAKER_06 34:57

That's cool awesome Jacob is it true that you are my designated wing man here we go uh we need trace secrets now here we go we want here we go um yeah I hope being oh um game we're going we're going before um yeah um I I thought I am you're guessing I'm women yes you are yeah most of the time the women who I see don't um go very successful um no names being mentioned here folks do I need to put the beep button on I got a funny feeling I need a sensor button shortly this is this is not to go a bit wild guys what are we doing um next question yeah next question Jacob let's move topics immediately okay next question for you Jacob Carroll is what is it like what did you think of me when you first met me in soccer slash high school um high school yeah we can't we can't we were here to watch everything um we high school um we hugged I just hope and you go something like that but um from what I remember you are a complete terrible I know I I a hundred percent agree with you that's just insane yeah you always hung like and we're talking every time I'm trying to get out here I just I just hear you singing and singing and singing all the time and funny um it was just it was just well didn't we well my question to you Jacob is apparently you've been to Sydney yeah independently in the well wow what are we doing mate you're doing the guy involved in this yeah well I'm the uh good advice uh change his notes you stayed in a hotel what was the go with that what were you doing in Sydney go um uh um I'm went into a old getaway with a couple mates yeah um I so we went to Singney we say we say go um you know the maritime like I think we'll sing it yeah we say a go and um my friend's um with two one boy and one girl I say with a boy I stay with a boy um why why is my James well let's hope you stayed with the gentleman James okay James spill the dirt something's gonna you know something secret squirrel stuff uh gonna be comic you might want to put the beep button on you might keep keep your finger hover over the beep uh I I'm I'm staring at it as we speak I'm just going oh here we go it's all good say what say what needs to be said mate it's all good I'm sorry wait what what can you say oh so you you stayed with uh stayed with a group of friends and you we've established you stayed with a guy possibly got well you never know I I actually carrying a room with my mate um gilling but um my other friend Angel she was in a um hotel boyfriend yep like in another hotel um me and Gillen we got a nice few it was a really nice few um but James I don't know what you're talking about um with with the guy I don't know what you're on about me but I'm on public radio I can this is my show Jacob how did it go anyway Jacob did it go alright mate did it everything have a great weekend oh um yeah like I was I was more independent than I ever was um I felt like um because I got well I got dogash I got Uber um wow I organized by myself I collect giga food I did everything by myself I didn't even need to help a share by myself I did all that and me and my mum we were having a chat together like a text and I said to her oh I never knew I never knew I could be this independent before like I've never tried it out for myself and now I'm able to experience that so it was really it really opened an eye it's and you don't realize until you push yourself yeah isn't it right?

SPEAKER_05 40:55

Where you you don't know then you finally do it and you should be proud of yourself because you you've now pushed that boundary and now you can do it whenever you want you know I mean you've got that confidence now to keep on going out by yourself and doing things by yourself.

SPEAKER_06 41:10

It just builds character mate it builds character um you got any questions about his Sydney trip that it's not rude okay no no questions no no um guys or girls or anything like that okay I remember what you did so my next question was how did you cope with being that independent because personally I'm not as independent as you are well um the biggest thing is always take the first yeah um okay what okay um just have have fun do you have to um what I would do is I would um if you if for example you want you want to come with it what I would do is I would get yourself a room like a hotel room for yourself and then you can bring a support worker like what I would do I would like my support worker or a hotel room by himself and then that like that I yeah I think some help if you need 100% hundred percent did your support worker stay at the same hotel no you know I had my friends but with your friends if you if you want um I go with your friends um staying room with your friends with a support worker I can I can hang up a women hotel and then I if you need help you can just come down well to be honest if you really want to challenge if you really want to challenge yourself don't ask don't ask for how I'm I'm a humiliing ego.

SPEAKER_05 43:20

Yeah I think it comes down to and Jacob I you would agree it's always that first step it's all that first step is the hardest step to get over once you get over that step the second step feels a bit better third fourth fifth and then it comes second nature.

SPEAKER_06 43:36

Yeah I agree my next question for you Jacob was you remember we went on year 12 retreat together don't you I do to let up with another story here we go was just the loudest a traveler with you on that trip You're snoring.

SPEAKER_07 44:01

Um, can I just give you a disclaimer? He's gonna he's gonna go on a ramble about this story. So I would I would just cover your ears if I want you, mate.

SPEAKER_05 44:13

Nah, I appreciate it, champion. I'm on it. Come on.

SPEAKER_06 44:18

Go on, so myself, Jacob, and my other friend Nathaniel had to share a room on retreats, and I am such an early riser. I was up by 6 a.m. on that first day morning. Oh god, no. And I knew breakfast was 10 minutes after 7.50, and I got the gentleman up at 7.50 because I started walking around the room and stomping and uh turning all the lights on. Why?

SPEAKER_05 44:55

Because I knew breakfast was in ten minutes. Obviously, you didn't have a hangover.

SPEAKER_07 45:02

No, I uh never do. Oh right. Okay. I think I moved I I I Cork. Because um we can we can't even give me a couple, but I think I moved it to cork, it's up.

SPEAKER_06 45:16

You it was always eight o'clock, I remember.

SPEAKER_07 45:18

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 45:19

And I got you two up at 7 50. I started doing this through the room.

SPEAKER_07 45:26

Yeah. And if you don't know, I uh I am deaf. So I can't eat anything.

SPEAKER_06 45:32

And you and you must deaf as well. And you woke up and you went, what in the world is going on?

SPEAKER_07 45:42

Yeah, I was like, yeah. And then um, what happened was so I'm I'm deaf, saying if you didn't know, I I I'm deaf. I I sleep without my hearing eyes, I'm completely deaf.

SPEAKER_04 45:55

Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 45:55

Um and then James comes in and I I can't hear his stomps. I can't hear him at all, but I can hear the vibration. Right, got ya. And his stomps were really, really loud from what from what I felt. Yeah. They were and I I still I still get I still get at him to this day for for waking me up.

SPEAKER_05 46:25

Um I would too, no. Yeah, no, you don't we don't do that.

SPEAKER_07 46:30

Yeah, we don't do that. We don't do that at home, we don't don't we?

SPEAKER_05 46:34

We don't do that. Okay. Did you get did you have a good breakfast at least?

SPEAKER_07 46:40

Yes, yeah, we have a good breakfast. Yeah, it was good. What'd you have? Uh I'm pretty sure we had pancakes. Oh giddy up. Yeah, we have pancakes. I have no pancakes, but um yeah. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_06 46:54

Okay. Now for my next question, Jacob. Yeah, I didn't expect this interview to get uh as rowdy as it is at this point. Oh god, who's in control?

SPEAKER_07 47:06

It's you, dude. It's in control, mate.

SPEAKER_06 47:10

Okay, you don't sorry you had to listen to our rambles.

SPEAKER_05 47:19

You know what? I think they've learned more about you guys than any other conversational question just by rambling. It's good. There's nothing wrong with that.

SPEAKER_07 47:30

I actually like about about the treat. Um, the thing is, you wanted to change rooms to come to me. Okay. Well technically not understandable. Not you. But I had I I had a couple like mainstream things I wanted to go with. Yeah. But my um my what's the game? Support Ye coordinator.

SPEAKER_06 47:56

It was support S O S O Miss Mason. No, Morris Morris. Yeah. Just saying. Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 48:07

So we'll cut it out, but um what what she my support call and she said, um um, she said just because of like um the um the you and James and the family being in the same um cabin together. Right. We'll put you in the same ring. Oh god. At first I was not happy. Yeah. Because I wanted to be with my main swim fans. Which no thanks to James. But um I was closer with my main swim fans at the time.

SPEAKER_05 48:52

And you didn't want to get up at six o'clock in the morning either. And stomping around like a headless.

SPEAKER_07 48:57

Exactly, exactly. Um I know. And um so I wasn't I wasn't happy with this for going because I felt like I felt like um it was because of your disability. Yeah, I felt like I should be able to be in the room with my friends if when we get to have a disability or not. Yeah. And we the reason the reasoning was because um the um it was because we support each other. She said that she it would be easier if me, James, and a family were all in the wrong room together.

SPEAKER_05 49:43

Makes sense, yeah.

SPEAKER_07 49:44

But I I I think we're gonna have to happen because I just wanted to be with my friends.

SPEAKER_06 49:49

Yeah. Which is understandable. Are you still close with these men?

SPEAKER_07 49:54

Yeah, yeah, I am still close. I I am still very close with one of them. Like I've been I've been friends with him since Kingergarten. So nice.

SPEAKER_05 50:05

Alright, let's turn the tables a bit. Okay. It's now Jacob's turn to interview you, James. Alright, so what questions would you like to ask James?

SPEAKER_07 50:20

Oh, James, um I I wouldn't I didn't think I was gonna get an opportunity, so um, but mate, you're a legend.

SPEAKER_05 50:32

I'm giving you every opportunity to give it to James. I mean interview James.

SPEAKER_07 50:38

Alright, alright, James. I have I have a few questions for you. Yes.

SPEAKER_06 50:43

Um first question I can think. Um could I just ask is this an interrogation? Maybe. Maybe not.

SPEAKER_07 50:53

Okay. Possibly, possibly. How are you? How are you with the girls and your how? Um would you say I'm a very good I'm very good very good women to you?

SPEAKER_06 51:11

Yes, you are, because when I have a messy relationship, you get me out of it. I do. Yes.

SPEAKER_07 51:19

Always, always even if I don't want to, I have to. Oh here we go.

SPEAKER_05 51:26

Yes, obviously, James goes for a lot of women. I don't think for truth.

SPEAKER_04 51:34

Love it. Player.

SPEAKER_07 51:37

You're a player, James, aren't you?

SPEAKER_06 51:41

No, I'm not a player.

SPEAKER_07 51:46

Alright, next question. Next question I have for you, James, is um did you did you have any struggles of having like what you struggles of having a disability?

SPEAKER_06 52:02

That's a good question. For me, there was a big barrier between us and you guys in the mainstream. And I really wanted to break that barrier down as hard as I could.

SPEAKER_05 52:21

Yeah. And what was the barrier?

SPEAKER_06 52:25

Just the distance between us and the mainstream.

SPEAKER_07 52:32

And I can get why. Because from um, okay, main or a kid a kid with a disability in the mainstream. Um, I can get why. Because um like there was there was a something there was assumptions about you guys in a in the special music department.

SPEAKER_05 52:58

Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 52:59

So um I was I was on I was on board with you, Hunger.

SPEAKER_05 53:07

Alright, what's the next one? Mate. Um I'm loving this. I love this communique. I like how Jacob's answering. James answering.

SPEAKER_07 53:19

Um get your family mean okay.

SPEAKER_06 53:24

Absolutely. I'm a family man through and through.

SPEAKER_07 53:30

Your mum, your mum's making her eyebrow. Okay, I'm being a shoot of you.

SPEAKER_06 53:36

Mum, don't um don't am I quack e Kibong or am I? I am a family man. I do love my family, mum.

SPEAKER_05 53:47

Oh so just for everybody's knowledge, because mum's not on camera um and hasn't been mic'd up, um James's mum's actually sitting uh opposite Jacob and um and she is our moderator, and uh we get cues, we have the thumbs up, thumbs down, the the waving of the fist for James to shut up. Um but yeah, no.

SPEAKER_07 54:15

She does she does tell James Wong to be quiet. So guys. There we go. All right, let's get back into it. Um what are we?

SPEAKER_06 54:32

You're gonna ask me another question. Okay. Um if you're up to it.

SPEAKER_07 54:38

Um can't ask your very disquestion. Yes. Okay. What?

SPEAKER_06 54:59

What your hardest experience everdest experience ever like having a disability would have to be when I feel judged and when I feel like there's a barrier. There have been heaps of incidences where I don't feel accepted, wanted, or included somewhere. But there are so many to count, I can't specifically give you one right now.

SPEAKER_07 55:32

Yeah, okay, I'll be fine, mate.

SPEAKER_05 55:37

Alright, any more? Take them. Uh no. Okay. Alright. I've got questions for both of you. Yes. This is quick. Hang on. Let me let me move the cameras going. Hang on. Here we go.

SPEAKER_04 55:48

Now we're on like 60 minutes. So we got rapid rounds. We got rapid rounds. Alright.

SPEAKER_05 55:56

Gentlemen. Yes. Let's get deep and nasty. No, we won't. These are nice questions, alright? Okay. Both of you. What is the best thing about being 20 years old?

SPEAKER_06 56:08

For me, it would have to be the freedom of feeling like an adult.

SPEAKER_07 56:14

So is it one word questions or one, just one word? One word, okay. James, it's one word. Don't don't go on a full-ong speech, okay? Oh, it is just one word. You wrote the scripts. Alright, I'm reading it.

SPEAKER_05 56:29

It's like one word. I gig I gig read the scripts, actually. So say there we go, mate. Come on. Come on. So Jacob, what's your one word again, mate?

SPEAKER_07 56:40

Um one word about being funny. Um Independence.

SPEAKER_05 56:53

Independent. Cool.

SPEAKER_06 56:56

Freedom.

SPEAKER_05 56:58

Freedom.

SPEAKER_06 56:59

Yes.

SPEAKER_05 57:00

Alright. What's the worst? One word. Worst thing about being a twinny.

SPEAKER_06 57:05

Having to learn all the adult life lessons. Okay. Not one word, but we'll take it.

SPEAKER_07 57:14

Love it. Alright, yours. Um, what's going to happen tongue is.

SPEAKER_05 57:35

Alright, we'll get back to it.

SPEAKER_07 57:37

Yeah, we'll get back to it.

SPEAKER_05 57:38

Best movie or TV show.

SPEAKER_06 57:41

Annie the musical. I love my musicals. Yeah, right.

SPEAKER_05 57:47

Annie, did you say?

SPEAKER_06 57:48

Yeah. The original with Aileen Quinn and Garbit Finney. That's old school. Yeah. Oh, well done. What about you, Jacob?

SPEAKER_07 57:59

Um, I'm gonna say my favorite TV show is Or maybe. Well, I'll put TV show. Um Peaky Bondy.

SPEAKER_04 58:09

Really?

SPEAKER_07 58:10

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 58:11

Yeah. Yeah. I got you out of that. Yeah, I like that.

SPEAKER_07 58:14

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 58:15

Yeah. That's mean. That's good. Favourite food. Pasta. Pasta. Oh my god.

SPEAKER_05 58:24

I knew you were gonna say that. Yeah. So you both pastas? Is that good? Yeah. Really? What's okay? What type of pasta?

SPEAKER_07 58:31

I'm a creamy I'm a creamy pasta conga.

SPEAKER_05 58:35

Similar with me. Yeah, I'm hungry. What do you all right? You're similar, but what red sauce pasta? Yeah, right. Okay. Actually, that's not bad. Especially Italian. Well, it's bad Italian. Italian's good. Worst food. Ice cream.

SPEAKER_07 58:54

Okay, why are you? What are you talking about?

SPEAKER_06 58:57

Yeah, okay. I am not a fan. I am not a fan of cold things, and ice cream is not my ice cream is my least favourite.

SPEAKER_07 59:10

I'm gonna call you out on that. Okay, that's very big. So what do you got? Um my recipe is being forgotten. Being forgotten.

SPEAKER_06 59:34

Oh, I didn't realise it was our worst year. I thought we were talking about our worst food. It is worse food. So what's your worst food, Jacob?

SPEAKER_07 59:44

My worst food is um Yeah, I'm a very picky eager. So when it comes when it comes to food, I hate tomorrow.

SPEAKER_05 59:57

Oh really?

SPEAKER_07 59:58

Yeah, I hate I can't do I I can't eat anything with pick off like uh but the youngest the only tomato sauce I take is past the meatles and tomato sauce.

SPEAKER_05 1:00:11

Oh bad. Alright, so your worst fear is being forgotten about. What's your worst fear? That's an added question.

SPEAKER_06 1:00:19

I guess the world to adapt to non-DI diversion that the world never got us. That would be my worst fear.

SPEAKER_05 1:00:30

100%. Dream holiday, guys. Where are we going? Vegas. Maldives. Maldives.

SPEAKER_07 1:00:36

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 1:00:37

Now that it'd be I've been to Vegas. I re I'd need to go to Maldives. That would be fantastic. Why why don't we just book a trip together, Chang? You know what? We shall do it. We'll do a man retreat. Man retreat. Let's go.

SPEAKER_07 1:00:51

We'll just kick we'll just kick Kang Chang and we'll go and we'll treat together.

SPEAKER_05 1:01:04

Well, we'll we'll go to Moldova and then you go to um Vegas and we'll meet in the middle somewhere, okay? Yeah. Okay, legend. Right. This is gonna be controversial. Okay. Who takes the longest to reply to a message?

SPEAKER_06 1:01:21

I'm sorry, Jacob. I'm gonna have to say you.

SPEAKER_07 1:01:24

Well, I'm big all the time, mate. I'm big on you, to be honest. Excuse me. Yeah, excuse me, excuse you. Um here we go. I would say, yeah, I'm gonna say me. Right. But it's because I have a big I have a big biggie week schedule.

SPEAKER_05 1:01:45

Yeah, fair enough.

SPEAKER_06 1:01:46

So the wide to be fair.

SPEAKER_05 1:01:48

Now, I already know the answer to this question because you alluded to it a a couple of questions ago. Who is more likely to sleep in?

SPEAKER_06 1:01:58

You don't can I say it, Jacob? Of course. Jacob Carroll. Oh Jason.

SPEAKER_05 1:02:06

When you say his surname, you're really emphasizing the importance of this. Yeah, okay, cool.

SPEAKER_06 1:02:13

Why have you done it that way? So, can I give you an example? It's like I had to pick him up to come here this morning. So I'm texting him at 7:45 to say, you up yet, mate. I'm coming at nine. That's alright. It's all good. It's a weekend. Yeah, go down time, mate. It's all good. I'm a standing at your doorstep right on nine o'clock. God, you're just like your father, aren't you?

SPEAKER_03 1:02:46

You're just like that, oh angry dad. Get up, get up.

SPEAKER_07 1:02:50

We all we all know. We all know we don't move.

SPEAKER_05 1:02:55

Alright, next question. Um, who is more likely to forget what they were talking about? You agreed. Really? Yes.

SPEAKER_06 1:03:08

Well, I didn't expect that. Why do you think that, Jacob? Now I think about it.

SPEAKER_07 1:03:14

Um, I would say because um you you do repeat things like quite a lot, you know. Yeah. I know we're gonna have the same conversation. You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_05 1:03:34

Um just I've just been advised from your personal PA. Um Jacob. You have every excuse under the sun, mate, to sleep in. Do you know what he was doing last night? Yes. Tell us, what were you doing last night?

SPEAKER_07 1:03:57

I was in Canva, mate. I was I was I I was quick. Um, so we'll go back to it. I do I do this thing where I do um a program called School Dragons. Um Disability Toss. Yeah. And it's basically like you know you know the dragons get NRL. You know the NRL. Yeah, yeah. Um so the dragons have partnered up with the disability house and they produce school dragons.

SPEAKER_04 1:04:29

Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 1:04:30

Which is for disabilities. Yeah, perfect. People with disabilities who want to play sport just as such for you. Uh and yeah, we we came down to camera and we uh went to uh uh geosagum.

SPEAKER_04 1:04:49

Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 1:04:50

We paid a geo shagging against going to school, ladies, but just came with a latest disability. We thrashed him, we flashed him 36 nil. Wow, well done. 36 nil. Yeah, get him!

SPEAKER_05 1:05:06

Mate, I'm surprised you're even up. I'd be still in bed by now. I I I couldn't care less. You could be knocking on my door, bashing it, walking up and down the stairs.

SPEAKER_07 1:05:15

Guess what? Shame. We got I got back home at 11:30. Oh what time, sorry? 1130. Well, that's night.

SPEAKER_06 1:05:26

What time did you at the stadium?

SPEAKER_07 1:05:28

Um we left Hagan at like 74, but we got Macaus on the way.

SPEAKER_05 1:05:36

So nice. Nice. Alright, um, last question. Who is the better wingman? Jacob Carroll, by far.

SPEAKER_07 1:05:47

Younger than me. Yeah, I my experience with girls, but I've only I do understand girls more than you, I think.

SPEAKER_05 1:05:56

Absolutely. So you're telling me Jacob's a ladies' man.

SPEAKER_06 1:06:01

Yes.

SPEAKER_05 1:06:04

Incredible. Well done, mate. You should be pretty that's legend, mate. Legend. He's training me. He's training you. Yes, yeah, I'm training him. Yeah, training you to try and keep the girl. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. All right. So we've had an awesome podcast today. It's been absolutely fantastic. Uh you being here, Jacob. And I've got a funny feeling, mate, you're gonna be around a lot more. If you don't mind, I'll I'll like to see you here a lot.

SPEAKER_06 1:06:36

Morgan, hope you do. No, I'll message you when we have another podcast on.

SPEAKER_05 1:06:42

Alright, perfect. Yeah, just sit in on it, mate, and get behind it and we'll make it work.

SPEAKER_06 1:06:48

Thank you so much for listening to the disability hour with Shane and James. This may be our roguest episode so far, but we are still hoping to keep going. Thank you so much, folks. But did you like to say something before I press the magic button to Jacob? Thank you so much, Jacob, for coming today. And we will see more of you. We may be looking for a new co-host position, and I think it might have been taken. Thank you, man. Very much.

SPEAKER_05 1:07:22

Jacob's probably the only male that I know who can control you, so I I'm quite happy with that.

SPEAKER_07 1:07:30

I think I can conclude I think I can control James more than you.

SPEAKER_05 1:07:36

That's the reason why I'm saying like the demands that this guy gives me is incredible. And we always bring it up in every podcast, don't we? Yes. You know, tapped water, he wants this, he wants that. You know, his own dressing room, own hairdresser. My own hairdresser for your own promotion. No, that's all good.

SPEAKER_07 1:08:00

All right, any last words, Jacob? Uh, thank you all for having me on. I hope you enjoy Yuki Podcast. Thank you, folks, and see you next time.

SPEAKER_05 1:08:10

Take it easy, guys, and please support this podcast. Uh we're getting there. Bye bye.