Episode 4 - Hot, petty, and medicated

Catch-up with us before diving into one of our most personal conversations yet. Julia fills us in on her vacation in the Dominican Republic, we chat about our Fourth of July plans, debate the Meta glasses, and cover the random life updates you'd expect from us.

Then we shift gears for the main conversation: mental health. We unpack the stigmas we grew up with and the ones that still run deep in the South Asian community. We open up about our own mental health journeys—from therapy to medication—and what those experiences have taught us. We also discuss celebrities who have helped normalize these conversations, the impact of RFK Jr.'s  rhetoric, and what we hope the future looks like when it comes to access, acceptance, and breaking generational cycles.

Transcript

Julia 0:00

Hey guys, this is the petty agenda. That was crazy. That was good, right? That those notes.

Sarah 0:08

That was really good.

Julia 0:09

Those notes were really hitting.

Sarah 0:11

These are your hosts, Julia. And Sarah. And today we're talking about mental health, our medication journeys, RFK. But first, let's talk about our week.

Julia 0:23

Sarah, how was your week?

Sarah 0:24

Pretty good. A lot less exciting compared to your week.

Julia 0:28

Yeah, I know. I'm dying to tell you about my week because I went to the Dominican Republic. And I went with a good group of friends. We constantly were experiencing petty things.

Sarah 0:40

Do tell, do tell.

Julia 0:42

Yeah, we stayed on a resort. That's nice. Yeah, it's nice, but the people who work on the resort, the workers are unhappy. I feel like as they should be. I feel like I'm miserable in my job sometimes. And in this resort specifically, I think they hated me and my friend. When we checked in, we were like, oh my God, we're so excited. And the guy is just like, your room is ready at three. And we just kept asking questions. We're like, what do what are the amenities here? And he was just like, You have a spa. Type, type, type, type, type, type, tip. And we come back at three. First of all, we landed at 11 because we took like a really early flight. And so we had to wait in the resort, the hot resort, from like 11 to 3. Then at three, we go up to the check-in guy. And he's like, Your room isn't ready. And I guess another friend of mine was like, but you said three. And he's like, it's gonna be ready at 3:30. And she's like, but you told us three. And he's like, that's the same, that's the same thing as three. Three and three thirty, the same thing. She's like, no, it's not. Why couldn't three? No, he couldn't. He could like sorry was not in the vocabulary. He was like, No, it's the same thing. They hated you from the start. Hated us, but they just didn't care. Like, you know how like some people are like so accommodating and they're like, Oh, we're so sorry for all the trouble. Like, they they did not give a fuck. They're just pissed. They're pissed. They're they're pissed. Someone lost their purse on the way back from the club and they left it in the car. And somehow they got it back, which I thought was a miracle. Damn, was it just like Uber? What were you doing? It was like a transportation bus that I had scheduled from like the club to go back to our hotel. And a transportation what did you just call it? Like a transportation bus. Like a bu a bus. Basically a bus. Like a party bus? Yeah, sure. We can say it's a party bus. That guy was running multiple red lights. We almost died, but it was fine. So it took us from the hotel to this club called The Cave. And then where it was like a club in a legit cave. Were you scared of cats? No, I wasn't. I was just scared of random people coming up and trying to dance up on me. But I did see a lot of like scandalous things going on. Like we saw one girl who was like grinding on another guy, and then she left that guy, made out with another guy, which like all power to her. Then the other guy that she was grinding on was trying to like get in there, like you were my girl. What are you doing? Going on hanging out with the other guy. Yeah, it was crazy. Drama in the club. Drama in the club. Drama in the cave. Drama in the cave. You would like this. I was forced to go down a slide called the kamikaze. Is it like a water slide? It's a water slide. It was scary. And this one girl in our group was like, You better go down. You better go down. I think I need in this age of my life as an adult. I think I need to be bullied into things. Being like, you should do it. You need to do it. Face your fears. So I tried to go. And then I was like, I can't do it. I'm sorry. I can't do it. I see like a black tunnel. This sounds cool. No, it was really cool. It was scared, but I was kind of glad that she did tell me you have to go down. It was worth it. It's worth the thrill. It was worth it. It was scary, but it was worth it. So, all in all, it was like a it was a fun trip. You know, I definitely offended some people with my Spanish.

Sarah 4:13

Did you try to speak Spanish a lot?

Julia 4:15

Yeah. And they were offended. My Spanish was just horrific.

Sarah 4:19

Yeah, I'm really bad. When I was in Mexico City for your wedding, first of all, you told me like, it's fine. Everyone speaks English. Totally not true. I feel like every restaurant we went to, if we asked them, like, do you speak English? They were like, no. We're like, oh shit. And I should be able to speak better Spanish than I can. It's honestly embarrassing. Like your Spanish is fucked.

Julia 4:38

Yeah. No, but I literally was like, yo soy agua de battle, por favor. Which means I am a water bottle, please. Yeah. Hey, you took sign language.

Sarah 4:48

Did you even take Spanish? I took sign language the last year. You actually could be a really good ASL interpretator. You know when people will have ones where they're like dancing crazy.

Julia 5:00

I I could have done that if I had really paid attention to American Sign Language, but I didn't. I too also did horribly in that class. That sounds like a good trip overall. It was a good trip. I ate whatever I wanted to. I ate in the buffet. Anyways, we would like to bring up an incident that happened this week on our Instagram feed. We take it very seriously because well, Sarah takes it very seriously.

Sarah 5:25

I won't reveal my sources, but as we said, we make good PIs. We can figure things out.

Julia 5:31

Yeah. So Sarah found our first Instagram troll. She found who it was. We won't name names. We know who you are.

Sarah 5:39

We have our first hater of the pod.

Julia 5:41

We know who you are. Maybe you could uh you should you should you should drop a like and comment, follow below. We don't really care. No, we don't care. But we thought it was hilarious.

Sarah 5:54

Yeah. We're trying to make drama and there's no drama. Have you seen that Kylie Jenner is repping the meta glasses now and they're like really pushing out these meta glasses?

Julia 6:04

No, I haven't seen that.

Sarah 6:06

Yeah, and they're making the glasses so that they look like regular glasses, like sunglasses.

Julia 6:11

Someone at the trip did have meta glasses, and they did in fact take pictures with their meta glasses and put them on Instagram story. And I did in fact repost the story because it was a great picture.

Sarah 6:24

So I guess it freaks me out in certain instances to think that like that would be everyone all the time.

Julia 6:30

Yeah, it does freak me out when people start recording without your consent. Because now I'm thinking of like if a patient recorded me with their meta glasses and me not knowing, and then all of a sudden I'm getting canceled. So that's like a scary feeling. Does it take good pictures? It does. It surprisingly it does. He's like, meta, take a picture for me.

Sarah 6:50

I guess I just worry more about like I feel like it could be like in the future, everyone has these glasses and everyone's recording, and then the government can see it, and like it's surveillance th.

Julia 7:00

A hundred percent. I always feel like everything with every technology, the government is always surveillancing everything. It's like the same with what we buy on Amazon.

Sarah 7:08

Oh, I was typing up some notes for this episode about you know mental health, which we're gonna talk about later. Then I went to my phone, and the ads on Instagram were relating to what I was typing on my computer, which is just like interesting.

Julia 7:23

That's that's creepy. When I was staying with my roommate, she was like talking about her cat litter, and she got this highly advanced cat litter, and then it showed up on my Amazon, like an ad for it. Oh my god. It was a nice cat litter, though. Well, jokes on them, you don't have a cat. I I was like, I fucking hate cats, by the way. Don't like them. She's sorry, that sounds so aggressive, but it's true. They're evil.

Sarah 7:51

You have issues. You have issues with animals. No, you're not, you're getting better. I feel like you got better with dogs.

Julia 7:59

Yeah, I did. Like I told Melissa, I was like, I think eventually I can have a dog. And Melissa's like, no, I don't really trust you. And I feel like she would call the dog CPS on me. Um, but she was like, Yeah, I don't really trust you. And then I was like, you know, she's not wrong. Because every time I offer my services, I'm like, oh, I can watch your dog.

Sarah 8:20

People are like, no. I know. I feel like when you were supposed to watch Penny, I was like, you and someone else. Yeah.

Julia 8:26

I would trust you with Penny. The thing with Penny is like Penny's a like a small dog. She's she's small, she's durable, she's compact. Durable. No, but like I can take her, she won't like pull me. Like, there's other people's dogs that I've had that like physically have pulled me, and I'm like, I don't think I could ever handle your dog. Just me and your dog. I actually think you would you should take them to a sitter. Do you have any plans for the fourth? For the fourth?

Sarah 8:52

July 4th, Marcus.

Julia 8:54

I'm working.

Sarah 8:55

I'm twerking. How about you? I have some plans, but pretty low-key. It's hard to do stuff here because it's like the beach, so everyone comes here, so you kind of don't want to go to the beach. But I like summer holidays.

Julia 9:07

You do? Why? Why is that?

Sarah 9:09

Because you can day drink. That's true.

Julia 9:11

You can.

Sarah 9:12

Although it's too hot these days.

Julia 9:14

Yeah, what is it like in Wilmington? Because here it's gonna be like 105. It's gonna be hotter than DR.

Sarah 9:19

Yeah, you guys are getting a heat wave. Yeah. We're all ending. We're suffering.

Julia 9:23

All is really ending because the fact that we're harder than DR.

Sarah 9:28

And us girlies on SSRIs, which I'm gonna talk about, not doing well. I had an ice pack at work today. It was like putting my neck and my chest, and it wasn't helping me.

Julia 9:37

The heat exhaustion is the worst. You're just dead tired from everything and you don't want to do anything.

Sarah 9:43

Yeah, I get that very easily now. You know what I was thinking about the other day? And I was thinking about July 4th also, because I live right by an elementary school and they have like the flagpole. Did you have to do an elementary school where they taught you about the flag and then you had to fold it a certain way and raise the flag?

Julia 10:01

No. I think that was your elementary school. My elementary school didn't do that. They did a lot of other things. They didn't do that.

Sarah 10:09

It was really crazy.

Julia 10:10

That sounds like some military shit.

Sarah 10:12

I know. It's kind of weird when I'm thinking about it now. I'm like, damn. And I was like very worried about doing it wrong. I'm pretty sure we didn't do it right. They were like, I can't touch the ground.

Julia 10:22

Wait, that's that seems really strict and something that we should not be learning.

Sarah 10:29

Anyways, anything petty that happened to you this week? Nothing really petty. Just been trying to get a bunch of things done. My brother is visiting me. I'm trying to get my house cleaned up. He said he lost 10 pounds, so now he can eat ice cream every day. He's just perpetually on a yo-yo diet where he loses weight and then he comes down here and eats ice cream every day.

Julia 10:49

And he's like, I can have as much ice cream. Didn't you tell me one that he like kept eating aseables forever? Yeah.

Sarah 10:56

But now he's obsessed with ice cream, which is it's better. I I enjoy that. You know what we've been doing lately is making like an afogato at home where we'll make the espresso with the ice cream as like a dessert late night? That's so nice. Except I think that kept me up last night. Really? That sounds so delicious.

Julia 11:13

It's really delicious. My espresso machine isn't working that way anymore. It's not pulling shots properly anymore. It's not pulling good shots. So now I'm like, I don't have the time, I don't have the mental capacity to fix it. Should we start talking about being a hot petty person? It's time. It's time. It's time to roll out. So even though we're petty and hot, we also have mental health issues. Don't all hot girls have mental health issues? Don't all hot hot petty, petty girls have mental health issues. They do. This episode is a little messy, but it's 100% a judgment-free zone, and we're talking about the meds that we are on and what we're prescribed.

Sarah 11:58

Yeah, we're talking our mental health journeys. Okay, before we even start this, let's preface this with we are not your doctor. Everything we say in terms of our medication is not a recommendation. We just want to share like what we've done because it's just nice to like, you know, break this stigma and talk about it. Yeah.

Julia 12:18

I think it's really important to talk about mental health because, you know, back in the day, I feel like back in the early 2000s, a lot of people never really talked about it. And it was such it was viewed really negatively.

Sarah 12:29

Yeah. I feel like we have grown up in an interesting time where when we were really young, it was still like people didn't talk about it, even on a basic level. Or if they did, they talked about it in such a stupid way. And now it's way more mainstream. So I feel like we as kids didn't get the opportunity to we weren't given like healthy methods to talk about mental health. Right? Like, I don't remember anyone talking about even like anxiety as like a legitimate thing. It's true. It should be normalized so much more. And it kind of and now it has become, thanks to people talking about it, like celebrities talking about it, you know, everyday people talking about it like we are. Yeah. But there's still a long way to go.

Julia 13:09

There is, but back in the day it was rough. I feel like also our parents kind of pretended that that wasn't a thing. They were like, oh no, you're fine.

Sarah 13:17

You're fine. You're all good. You're just it's all in your head. I know. I was like going through my mom hoarded all of our childhood stuff, which is another story. But I was going through things that I would write as a kid, and I don't know, I wrote something and I was like, man, I was just such an anxious little kid. Because I remember being an anxious kid as early as like second grade. And I was like, Oh, I feel so bad for little Sarah, like she was so anxious. And then my mom was like, You're just dramatic. Like they like still, I feel like don't get it.

Julia 13:50

No, they'll never get it. Or like my parents were like, Go to church, God will fix all your problems. It's true though. They did say that. They were like, You're not, you're not concentrating because you don't want to, you're not motivated enough, you're not disciplined enough, you need to pray harder and like sit down and concentrate. And I was like, I physically can't.

Sarah 14:10

Yeah, that's not a viable strategy.

Julia 14:13

No, it was it was not.

Sarah 14:15

Yeah, so talk about talk about ADHD, how it was as a kid, stuff like that.

Julia 14:21

Yeah. So I feel like I I mean now I definitely know I have ADHD, but back then it was seen to my parents as I was very unmotivated and I'm not trying hard. And for a while, I think because women just naturally present, a lot of women don't present the same way as men. So men usually present as like with with ADHD, they can't sit still, they run around, they they, you know, they act a little obnoxious sometimes. Like it's like that obnoxious kid that you went to school with. Versus women present in different ways. They don't present as like their male counterparts. So for me, I would just mimic the way my other classmates would present. So during class time, I wouldn't speak up, I would be quiet. But back at home, it was really hard for me to concentrate or like pay attention to anything or even sit down and read. And I just thought that was very normal. Even my parents thought that was really normal, but I was underperforming as a kid. If I was on ADHD medication, I would have, I would have been validatorian. I would have been validatorian. If I was on ADHD medication earlier, I would have been the high school valedorian. I would have been unstoppable.

Sarah 15:26

Damn.

Julia 15:27

I would have been smart as a bitch. Yeah, I would have. So true. They held you back. They held me back. It wasn't until even after nursing school, until like I got diagnosed by a psych NP. She was just like, Yeah, you have ADHD. And she prescribed me Adderall at first in the beginning. And that was like post that was post after nursing school, after I graduated, after I'd done all my schooling. She prescribed me Adderall, finally took Adderall. And that made me just more cranky and a little crazy. How long did you take it for? I took it for maybe I'm gonna say like oh six months. I took it for six months. Oh, okay. You give it a good try. Yeah. Then my prescription ran dry. And also my health insurance didn't cover this second bee. So I was just like, okay, I don't think I need it anymore. I'm not gonna take it. And it wasn't until this year where I was like, oh, I actually do think I need it. And it would be helpful for me because now I'm at the precipice of where I'm starting to change my career and I want to do different things and like I actually need to study or concentrate, it would be helpful for me to have a medication. So it wasn't until I went to my therapy appointment that she gave me the contact to a psychiatrist that specializes in ADHD. And that psychiatrist gave me a different medication called Ritalin.

Sarah 16:45

These are both stimulants, right? Yeah. So what I've learned is because I have some ADHD symptoms, but I don't have an official diagnosis. And what I've learned, at least in North Carolina, is that certain drugs that are classified as stimulants, like for ADHD, you have to have like a formal diagnosis to get, right? Yeah, you do have to have a formal diagnosis.

Julia 17:02

So Ritalin and Adderall, they're both prescription of the central nervous system stimulants, but they have different active ingredients and then onset times and durations. So my therapist was like, I think Ritalin would be better for you. And then when I went to the psychiatrist, she was like, I think you should try Ritalin. It's gonna last you seven hours. So now I I've been taking Ritalin for like maybe now like two weeks now. Okay, still early. Yeah. Still early. Josh was like, I think you need a higher dose.

Sarah 17:32

Um, a lot of times they put you on a low dose. That's something I've run into also. And then they don't ever up it.

Julia 17:39

No, they never increase it. So that's where I'm at right now. I think I do need a little bit of a higher dose, but I'm happy. I feel like I can get work done, but it it sucks. If I like have TikTok in front of my face, I will become really absorbed into TikTok and my constitution will be TikTok. Yeah, yeah. So that's really bad. So I try not to have my phone around me when I take the stimulant.

Sarah 18:03

Yeah, it still requires discipline in certain ways.

Julia 18:06

Yeah, like I like a stimulant is not gonna fix all your problems.

Sarah 18:10

Yeah, you still need to create systems that work for you and Yeah, exactly.

Julia 18:16

You still need to be disciplined in other aspects.

Sarah 18:18

Did you have hesitation starting medicine?

Julia 18:21

I know I did, but yeah, so I was really hesitant to take medication because of just the stigma involved in like taking meds and and also having ADHD. So when I first was diagnosed, she prescribed me Adderall, I was like, I don't know about this. Maybe I could like live my life without this, and like I just need to be more disciplined or I just need to like, you know, go to therapy or something, right? But in reality, I do think the medication really did help. But I just think that it wasn't the right medication for me. It wasn't the right specific stimulant for me. And I also think my parents, I was like a little nervous about what my parents would think too, even though I was an adult. And you still feel like they could see, I was living at home with them, they could see the pill bottle. And my mom, when she first saw, she was like, Why? Why are you doing this? You're gonna kill yourself. God is watching you. Yeah. My parents are very like, I love them, but they're my like, I love them. But with things about mental health, especially in the South Asian community, that is pretty much how they look at mental health illness or depression or anything like that. They think it's a moral failing. It looks as like laziness, it's you're not disciplined, you're not, you're not doing things correctly.

Sarah 19:31

That's like a really good point. I feel like parents are like really, really behind in terms of accepting some of these things that our generation has started to normalize, and then the generations after us, even more so.

Julia 19:43

But it's our entire community. Like they I see so many things where people in the South Asian community are, you know, have alcohol use disorder and they're addicted. And that is a mental health illness. And that stems from trauma, that stems from so many things in their lives that's not discussed. They need really good a really good support system, they need rehab, they need help. And like it's really hard to get that help in, especially in our community, because we don't look at it like that. We look at it like they're an alcoholic. And sometimes it's like they're so embarrassed by the mental health illness that they that their loved one has, that sometimes they just like cover it up and they pretend like it doesn't exist and it's just sad.

Sarah 20:25

It's like you don't have healthy coping mechanisms to deal, like you're gonna deal with something in life at some point, regardless of how if you have, you know, you're neurotypical, you have no issues, you have a great life, like you're gonna deal with something and you have to have the tools to get through life, you know. And you if you've never been taught like tools to deal with your emotions or mental health issues, no one to talk to, no matter how severe it is, it's just so crazy that we think we can just ignore it.

Julia 20:52

Yeah, I think a lot of people just ignore it instead of having a healthy coping mechanism. And it's it's a sad thing. But yeah, I mean, I'm educated now. My parents don't know, I don't tell them.

Sarah 21:03

That definitely held you back, I feel like, from getting any type of diagnosis when you were a kid. I mean, generally when we were kids, I feel like the only people getting diagnosed were boys who were like hyperactive or had some type of like extreme issue, but they definitely weren't diagnosing like as much as they do now. Like a lot of girls weren't getting diagnosed because, for example, you know, I did well in school, so I think that was kind of they're like, Oh, you're fine, you know. But but yeah, I I definitely both of our parents were strict and had like certain expectations of us.

Julia 21:37

Yeah, they did.

Sarah 21:37

They're disappointed in us.

Julia 21:39

Yeah, they are.

Sarah 21:40

We're still not good enough. I still my mom still wants me to go to med school. How about you, girl?

Julia 21:44

What's your story? Why are you here?

Sarah 21:46

What's your story? Yeah, like I said, I've had anxiety my whole life. I can remember being in second grade when I switched schools. It's the first time I can remember being an anxious kid because I was so worried, like as the new kid, what people thought of me. I remember being stressed. A lot as a kid over schoolwork. I always had so much schoolwork and I was so disorganized and doing things last second. But I was like high achieving, so I had to get it all done, you know. And I would be like doing things last second. So that I was always like a very anxious kid, uh, but like obviously never diagnosed with any type of anxiety disorder or just even ever told that that was a thing, you know. After college, pretty much I first started on post-COVID, I would say. COVID also kind of increased my social anxiety. I actually started developing like fear of like doing basic things.

Julia 22:34

Oh wow.

Sarah 22:35

Yeah, like I wouldn't want to try a new coffee shop by myself because I would get anxious about like, oh, where do I go? Where do I park? Like it's so crazy to think about because obviously I don't have that anymore. But um, I think it just it got exacerbated by not going places in COVID. But anyways, so I always had hesitation of taking it's so silly, but like antidepressants because I was like, oh, I'm not depressed, I'm not depressed, like I'm just anxious. I don't want to take an antidepressant. But first of all, it's okay to admit that you're depressed, there's nothing wrong with being depressed. But second of all, antidepressants obviously like work on things other than depression. They're, you know, widely prescribed for OCD anxiety, um, ADHD. Like, there's a lot of different uses. And so the first thing I started was I was on um well butchering to start to try to address some of my ADHD symptoms. This works on like dopamine and norepinephrine. So hard for me to say those words. It basically increased my anxiety. Now, again, preface this everyone has different reactions. I think this journey of taking medicine for me has just taught me that unfortunately a lot of this is just trial and error. Don't be afraid to be like, oh, this isn't working for me. This isn't working for me. So yeah, well butrin did not work for me. It made me like really anxious. I would just be standing there and I would have an anxiety attack, and I like wouldn't even know what it would be about.

unknown 23:54

Wow.

Sarah 23:55

Some people really like it.

Julia 23:56

The psychiatrist was like, I mean, there's non-like stimulants you can take, like well butrin, you can take that. But she was like, it might not be as effective for you and may take longer to kick in.

Sarah 24:09

Yeah, so to backtrack a little bit, the reason why I am going for some of these medications is I don't have any formal diagnosis. I tried to get evaluated and I had a crazy experience with a psychiatrist who basically told me that there's no way that I could have ADHD because I got A's in school and that like 90% of kids like would get diagnosed as a kid. And I'm like, bro, you're just like pulling out like lies. Like none of these things are that was crazy. So I've just been going through my general practitioner, which you can also do if you don't want to set up. I don't necessarily recommend it, but it's kind of nice to start off if you already have, you know, a GP to start off on something. I think long term it is good to get someone who, you know, knows more about these drugs to help guide you. But that is kind of a way you can sidestep some of like the red tape and things. Um, so that's what I've been doing. Yeah, started on Well Butrin, didn't love it. Then I was on LexPro for a while, which is an SSRI. Lexapro was okay for me. But she did okay. She did okay. A lot of people like Lex Pro. It just didn't do enough. Yeah. It I I was on it for a while. Like I think it helped. I had a lot of irritability and mood swings, and I think it helped with that, like kind of stabilized my mood. But it just felt like after a while, I didn't feel like it was really helping me that much. So I kind of wanted to just try something else. Yeah. So then I switched to effects, which is an SNRI, which is like, we don't really need to go through all these details, but that's basically increasing serotonin and norepinephrine. What I did want to talk about, it is mental health related, but I've been realizing that I am pretty sure that I have PMDD and that's just premenstrual dysphoric disorder. It's essentially, you know, an extreme version of PMS, but basically, like your brain is more sensitive to the hormonal changes in your cycle. So for me, how it's manifested is I'll have really, really intense depressive symptoms a week before my period, and then it'll go away. So I've recently switched to a different type of birth control. The like common name is like Yaz or Nikki, um, but it's a combination birth control with drospirinone. I can't say it, but basically it's supposed to help with PMDD. Some people get PMDD certain times of their life. Like I actually heard Hayley Bieber talk about how she got it after she gave birth. But yeah, that's why it's good for celebrities to talk about it. I feel like it like teaches you things.

Julia 26:38

Yeah, and it opens up the dialogue because I feel like they have that they have better access to care.

Sarah 26:45

And us girls, it's just crazy because I feel like through this journey, I've learned so much about medications because you have to be your own advocate. You have to do your own research. Yeah, you do. You have to see what works. We have to talk about it and like knowledge share, you know. Yeah. There needs to be like an Excel sheet for all the meds that the apples are taking. Some girly pop needs to create like a really cute app that like explains everything. And on that note, let's talk about some celebrities that have, you know, been more outspoken about mental health crisis, like Simone Biles and Naomi Osaka. I remember when Simone, you know, withdrew from the Olympics because she got the twisties, which sounds so crazy, but I can imagine getting it only because I'm picturing doing clips like that, and the way she described it, it's like you you can't place yourself and then you're mentally like it's so dangerous. Oh, I didn't know that. I didn't know that's why. But yeah, so very valid, but people were really hating on her. I remember, and this wasn't that long ago.

Julia 27:47

Yeah, the I I remember this. People on twit like tweeting about her and saying really nasty, not so nice things about her. And it just kind of sucks because she's just a gymnast living her life, and she already won an Olympic medal. Like, she has nothing to prove. She doesn't owe us anything. No, she doesn't owe us anything at all.

Sarah 28:06

I know. Naomi Osaka's another one. She's you know, a young tennis star. I really love her, she's so cool. I feel like she is she gen Z. She was born 1997. But yeah, you know, I was proud of her that she spoke out just basically saying, I don't want to do all these media interviews because she has and she opened up about anxiety and also just depression that she's dealt with her whole life. And then she eventually, because she was got backlash for that, she withdrew from the tournament. But yeah, just to conclude, you know, it's great when these slurries speak out. It's great when everyday people speak out to try to break down this stigma.

Julia 28:46

I think it's a really good topic to talk about because it it gets other people being like, maybe I should go see a therapist or a psychiatrist and figure out what meds work for me. And instead of causing an entire stigma around it, people are more open and like ready for discussion, which I think is great. Do we want to talk about RFK?

Sarah 29:06

We can talk about RFK briefly, just because it's been in the news, it's mental health related. So, you know, he's got his whole maha, make America healthy again. Um, and we've heard some headlines about potential policy changes to SSRI access. The most fucked up part of this whole thing is him alluding to SSRIs causing people to become violent. Like that's just totally there's no evidence for that. That's just wrong.

Julia 29:34

We're gonna just Or like a school shooter. Everything, some of the comments that he's saying he said before he got it, even before he got in this role, is is insane.

Sarah 29:45

The goal should not be to just reduce SSRI prescriptions. SSRIs have been around for a while, they're effective, they're generally safe, and they can help really important issues. I do think it's legitimate that we should try to improve just long-term practice of how we prescribe medications and just so it's in a more informed process for both the provider and the patient. I feel like sometimes they don't always inform you, the patient, of all the side effects. Just a more informed process, I agree with, which is far from, you know, I when he wants people to be able to taper off, he's he's hinting at just less medicine is better, which is not what I'm saying.

Julia 30:24

I noticed that recently when I was at my psychiatrist appointment, she was like, You let me know what meds you want to take. And I was like, Yeah, these are a lot of meds to consider. I know I have to do so much Googling. Like now you're making me do the research, which I just gave you money for, like out of pocket. This seems a little weird to me. I guess she is gonna make me have more autonomy in my care, but at the same time, I don't know.

Sarah 30:50

I know. It's just we're just out here. Yeah, we're struggling. That's you know, that's another big barrier. Is when you go into this journey, if you do of taking medicine, just know that and along with therapy, you're gonna have to try a lot of different things. Go into this process knowing it's gonna be like a long process, it's not gonna be a quick journey to a solution.

Julia 31:08

It's no, it's never gonna be a quick journey. It's like it's a really long, grueling process.

Sarah 31:14

Yeah, I was doing some some research about you know more personalized prescribing and uh what's out there because wouldn't it be so cool if you could, you know, just like get a blood test or something and they would know what's wrong with you and they would know exactly what cocktail to help you. Like, I don't know. Stop writing this down as an app idea right now. But hopefully, you know, we get we start to see more research and more funding and more things being figured out because we like need to come along in terms of mental health research. We still don't know, we still don't really understand a lot of these neurotransmitters and how they work.

Julia 31:48

Yeah, and then it's we also don't have good access to psychiatrists and like there's not that many psychiatrists out there. So, like your primary care provider only knows so much. They don't really know everything.

Sarah 32:04

Yeah, there's so many problems that are c systemically contributing, you know, to the lack of resources. But we're gonna be there for each other. We're gonna keep you posted on our mental health journeys. Uh we're excited to share this with you guys.

Julia 32:17

What are we gonna talk about next week, Julia? You know, we'll probably switch off of this is a very serious topic. I definitely want to watch that, like Lindsay Harvard. I saw her yelling at Amanda Batulin, Kyle Cook, and I'm very interested in him yelling. And it was a good scene, the dinner scene. Yeah, but yeah, I think next week we should talk about Summer House because I want to see I want to see Lindsay yell at Amanda and Kyle because I think they're both really annoying.

Sarah 32:44

She was like, figure it out, or get like give it up because you're ruining our lives too, basically. And I and she's not wrong though. Yeah, I'm so over it. Like, we're over Kyle and Amanda, we're over Kyle and Wes, we're way over all of them. Like, Amanda's not coming back to Summerhouse. I want to move on. Yeah, I want to move on with my life. I don't want to deal with her bullshit. She's too dramatic. And yeah, I'll keep you guys posted on my my PMDD journey. Ugh, maybe we'll talk about in the future, like hormones and just like what they mean. Oh, perimenopause, you know.

Julia 33:19

I don't understand.

Sarah 33:20

We don't, we don't know what we don't know.

Julia 33:22

We gotta talk about it. We gotta eat our Krakas. We gotta eat our quackers and we gotta just have a we gotta have a Rhode Island summer.

Sarah 33:29

Get through life. Get through bitches love a summer, bitches love a summer.

Julia 33:33

Bitches love a summer, bitches love a hot medicated summer. That's what we bitches love a hot medicated summer.

Sarah 33:39

And don't forget, if you're on SSRIs, you need to get a neck fan, you need to get an ice pack, you just stay in the A seat. Yeah, you do. Okay, we're gonna have a petty agenda taping in person, probably end of July when I come up there. But yeah, I'm gonna be going to New York. Me and Julia are gonna do shenanigans.

Julia 33:59

We're our I'm gonna get a video camera and like a little microphone so we can go out to random people in Westchester and New York. I'm gonna hide in the bushes. You make it do. Yeah, you're gonna have to videotape me or like film me. But if I look ugly, I'm not gonna put it up.

Sarah 34:15

Okay, so listeners, give us ideas of crazy shit we should do. We need to get more exposure for this podcast. And let's make Julia do all the crazy shit and I'll just film her.

Julia 34:26

I'm gonna ask them.

Sarah 34:27

I'm gonna be like, what's the pettiest thing you've ever done? We definitely need some more ideas for how to be petty, and we need some petty side quest stories to share.

Julia 34:35

Yeah. So please send us petty side quest stories. We will share it on the pod.

Sarah 34:40

Enjoy your force. You know, don't don't praise America, but enjoy the summer. Bitches love a summer.

Julia 34:47

Bitches love a summer.

Sarah 34:49

Julia will be working. Don't come to the ICU. Don't shoot a firecrapper cracker up your ass and end up in the ice. Don't put it up your ass. Don't put up your ass. Don't fuck with fire. Like, Mark wants to go get firecrackers, and I'm like, because it's in South Carolina, you can get them. I'm like, I don't want to do that. I'm not doing that redneck shit.

Julia 35:07

Yeah, that's that's legit some redneck shit. Okay, why even do it? They just want to blow shit up. I know. It's gonna be a redneck summer. Red, hot, and blue. That was good. That was good. That was good.

SPEAKER_00 35:21

Red hot and blue.

Julia 35:22

But we hope you guys enjoyed our podcast today. Um we're hot, medicated, and petty. Yeah, have a great week. We love you guys. We love you. Bye.