The Canadian UFO Podcast

4. Falcon Lake vs Bob Lazar

Peter from BC

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In 1967, a Manitoba man spent a long weekend prospecting near Falcon Lake. He came home with burns on his chest, radiation in his system, and a story nobody could explain. The RCMP investigated. The Canadian Air Force investigated. Project Blue Book — the US government's official UFO program — investigated. Nobody explained it. This is Canada's most documented UFO case. It has more physical evidence than Roswell. And you've probably never heard of it.

The Falcon Lake Incident is the UFO case everyone should learn first — before Roswell, before the Tic Tac, before any of it. A Manitoba industrial mechanic named Stefan Michalak had a close encounter in May 1967 that left physical evidence documented by government agencies in two countries, investigated by Project Blue Book, and never explained in fifty-seven years.

This episode covers what happened that day, why the evidence is stronger than almost any other case in UFO history, and how Michalak's description of the craft connects to things Bob Lazar would claim to have studied twenty-two years later.

Plus — breaking news. A US Congressman pushing for UFO disclosure just met quietly with a Manitoba MP. And it's not the first time a Manitoba Conservative MP has gone looking for answers that Ottawa won't give them.

Disclosure with a small d is happening. Canada is part of it. Just very, very quietly.

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Okay, so before we get into today's case, I have to tell you something that happened this week. I just saw it while I was scrolling, and it's very, very important that I share it with you. A sitting U.S. Congressman named Eric Burleson, one of the loudest voices in Washington pushing for UFO disclosure, posted that he had just had a quote, very good meeting with two members of the Canadian Parliament. You can imagine my excitement when I saw this. By the way, it wasn't on the news. This was just in my feed. Thank God my algorithm is all UFO stuff. So, this is what I know. One of them, Brandon Leslie, is a conservative MP from Manitoba, which just happens to be the same province as the case we're going to talk about today. And one thing that I found out was this isn't the first time a Manitoba conservative NP has gone rogue on the UFO topic. Again, I had no idea. Probably you didn't either, so I'm letting you know. But back in 2023, right after Grush testified under oath, another Manitoba conservative MP wrote, Canada's Minister of Defense suggested that Canada had also participated in a secret multinational program devoted to the recovery of UAP material. It got no public response. Maybe you heard about it. If you did, let me know, I didn't. But now in 2026, another Manitoba MP is quietly meeting with Washington's most vocal disclosure advocate. And how did I find this out? I just told you. I was scrolling on Instagram. So as far as I could see, there was no big press release, there was no press conference, nothing official. Kind of coming back to why I started this show in the first place. Where does Canada sit on all this? If every other major country in the world is releasing their own version of disclosure information, Canada being right next to America, which is the biggest disclosure point of focus currently, has to know something. Okay. And I was just talking about this with my husband in the car. Maybe we don't have as robust of a program potentially as what America and other countries do. I can imagine a world where if a craft crashed in Canada, would we have the resources to keep it secret and um hidden from America? Or would we just automatically work in tandem with them? I have no idea. I am 99.999% sure that we do know something, whether it's about our own retrieval process or the way that we have been a part of America's strategy over the past, I don't know, 80 years. I want to know something. So I'm gonna keep looking into this. I'm gonna see what I can find, and obviously I will share it with you as I find out more. So that's a little breaking news for you. Now let's get into today's case. Hi, I'm Peter from BC, and this is the Canadian UFO podcast. So, quick recap: episode one, the debate is over, honey. The phenomenon is real, and Canada has been missing from the conversation. Episode two, the Tic Tac, the video that should have broken the internet, but kind of went under the radar, if I can say, didn't really cause the stir that we were hoping for. Episode three, Paul Hellier, the Canadian who said all of this 18 years before Washington cut up that there was a reverse engineering and recovery project, that there was alien species currently on Earth and in contact with humans. And today we're going back to 1967 in Manitoba, province of the day, a case with more physical evidence than Roswell. I had not heard of this case, but if you did Google Canadian UFO history, it's gonna come up right away. So let me tell you a little bit about it. Bold claim right at the top, here we go. This case has more physical evidence than Roswell. More credible investigation, and almost nobody outside of Canada knows it exists. Now, as a caveat, there are gonna be those crazy UFO people like me who maybe go down rabbit holes and do know about it. I didn't, which is why I'm exploring it here with you in case you haven't. It's called the Falcon Lake incident. And by the end of this episode, I'm gonna show you how a Manitoba prospector in 1967 described details that Bob Lazar would claim to have studied 22 years later. So stay with me on this. May 28th, 1967. It's Victoria Day long weekend in Manitoba, and a guy named Stefan Mahailik, who's 51 years old, he's a Polish immigrant, industrial mechanic, he's living in Winnipeg. And on the weekends, he goes out prospecting. So he's not a UFO person, he's just a tradesman with a rock hammer who likes to go out and do his thing. So he heads out to his claim near Falcon Lake, which is about an hour east of Winnipeg, which is a normal long weekend morning. So nothing out of the ordinary, just going to do his thing. And around noon, while he's clicking on the rocks or whatever they do, there's some geese flying overhead that that were a little bit startled. So it caused him to look up. He saw two objects in the sky that were cigar-shaped, glowing red, and they were moving towards him. He didn't run. He actually, this is kind of iconic, he got out his sketch pad and he started drawing them. One of the objects flies off and the other descends and it shifts from cigar shaped to disc shaped as it gets lower. Um, it apparently lands about 45 meters away from him, which is essentially like across the street of your neighbor. So if you're living in a suburban street, you look across the street at your neighbor's house, that's how close the UFO was. It landed, he can hear it, it has like a hissing sound, and then immediately there's this smell. Sulfur. Um, everything smells like sulfur, it's warm in the air, and he described it as almost something electrical. The craft itself was about 35 feet across. It was smooth, seamless, silver, no rivets, no welds, which is very common when people describe seeing UAPs up close. Um, this was unique to his story. You don't hear it that often about the color shifting. So it was going from reddish to gray to what he called hot stainless steel with a golden glow. So what I'm realizing, especially in the more um immediate history, like modern day UFO and UIP discussion, is the focus recently on orbs and colors associated with UFO and UIP. So I know I just said it's not common for people to describe a ship changing color. It's not that it's not common. I think what we're starting to realize is the variations and types of experiences people have and some hypotheses about the different kinds of non-human intelligence. So one sort of narrative that we all have gone down um collectively over the past 80 years is that UFOs are real objects that are ships. You can touch them, you can see them, they've landed, they've crashed somewhere being stored on the planet, um, and have come from somewhere outside of the solar system. If not, then they're coming from somewhere in Earth that we don't know. So that's one sort of mind uh mind fuck. I didn't want to swear, but there you go. That's one mind fuck is like where are they coming from? Who built them? But then there's another narrative that's emerging that I'm getting more and more curious about, which is the energetic concept where these orbs, energy fields, these things that people are seeing are not necessarily physical, they're more of like a plasma. And um, David Grush just said recently that he knows of um what did he say? Sentient plasmoid life. So when I was reading back about Falcon Lake and um hearing Stefan Mahailek say that the ship was changing color, a few things were going on in my mind. One, which is um sort of a link to Bob Lazar, and we'll talk about that in a second, but the other is just um light in general and the whole orb conversation. So he said that the ships changed, like I just said, and ended up with sort of this hot stainless steel glow. Then there was an opening. Um, the ship opened and there were bright lights inside, and through that opening, Stefan could hear voices. Also, not very common with UFO stories, people claiming that they hear talking within a ship ship, but uh apparently they were muffled. It was like he could hear people talking from the other side of a wall. So, you know, trying to put myself in Sweet Stefan's place where I'm just out by the river doing my thing, a UFO lands, that's one thing. Then it's changing color and shape, that's another thing. Then the damn door opens and I can hear things from inside. It's it's insane. It's quite the story, but his mind frame, um, the way that he was interpreting it and the way that he recounts his story is very telling, sort of, of where we were as a society when it came to um technology that someone would encounter and maybe not be able to describe, because he assumed it was a secret American aircraft. And honestly, in 1967, that was the norm. The US and the Soviets were racing each other to the moon. Both sides were pouring money into the most exotic technology imaginable. So if something unexplainable was flying, the most logical answer was that it had to be from the other side. Someone else built it. Um, there's a documentary on currently out on Prime right now called Age of Disclosure. If you haven't seen it, watch it. I just watched it for the third time yesterday. And um essentially it's 34 government insiders on camera and talking about what they know about the UA, UFO, and UAP um reverse engineering crash retrieval program that has been going on in the government. And one of its central arguments is that the Cold War mindset is exactly why the secrecy started and never stopped. The people making decisions in 1947 weren't thinking about transparency, they were thinking about winning a technology race. So when Stefan heard the voices from inside the craft, his first reaction was to call out to them. And apparently he could speak five languages because he tried in English, French, Russian, German, and Polish, and nothing, there was no response. The three panels apparently slid shut, and he went closer to the UAP and actually touched the damn thing. So again, as somebody who's read a lot about UFO encounters, it's very uncommon where people are getting close enough to say that they physically touched it. Sometimes experiencers talk about being inside of crafts, but the fact that he claimed to have touched it is pretty crazy. Um, and it melted the tips of his gloves. That's physical evidence. Um, the craft rotated, a ventilation panel came around to face him and then blasted him with hot gas. Um, it knocked him backwards, his shirt set on fire, and he tore it off. So touches the craft, turns around, hot air blows on him, shirt lights on fire, he takes it off, the craft rises, changes color, and flies away. He's walking back through the forest now to the highway, vomiting, acting all disoriented, trying to flag down this RCMP officer that he sees. And the officer's report was that Mahailik seemed disoriented and possibly intoxicated. There's a little sort of, I don't know, we don't really know obviously what Stefan appeared like to the RCMP officer, but what we know is that he did encounter RCMP officer who can validate the fact that he seemed disoriented a little out of it and was trying to get help. So again, we got the burned fingertips, the burned shirt, and now uh RCMP officer, very soon after, is encountering him after having something traumatic happening. This wasn't a couple of local cops filing a report. The RCMP investigated the whole incident, the Air Canadian Air Force investigated it, the US Air Force investigated it, and then Project Blue Book got involved. So this was the US government's official UFO investigation program. 20 years, 12,000 cases, the foundational institution of the modern UFO conversation. They looked at this Canadian case in a Manitoba park and said, Yep, something happened, but we have no idea what it was. The landing site tested radioactive, it was elevated radium 2226, which is not naturally occurring at those concentrations in that rock. And multiple independent labs have confirmed that as well. It's still showing up years later, apparently. If you go there, the higher levels can still be um measured. So this is more physical evidence than Roswell. And I think it's really important again. The reason why I started this show is because everything I know about UFO, culture, lore, conspiracy, whatever, is rooted in American culture. And I think as a Canadian, we're sort of bombarded by American culture by default, movies, news, music, it just is the way it is. So it's not a surprise that the average person who's curious about UFO history may not um readily encounter a story like Falcon Lake. But if you think about it for a second, at Roswell, everything was alleged, right? Like there was newspaper articles originally printed that said there was a flying saucer that crashed, but then everything kind of disappeared from public space. Um still haven't confirmed 100%, at least from the government, that they had found anything. They really quickly switched to the weather balloon theory. Um, and I believe in the most recent White House dump, there was um some information about Roswell. So it's getting there. We're getting sort of to that full circle moment where all of the tinfoil hat people like me aren't gonna seem as crazy. But unlike Roswell being all hypothetical, Falcon Lake has documented physical evidence in the public record, tested, confirmed by Canada and by America. If this happened in New Mexico, it would have been the most famous UFO case in the entire planet. Can you imagine? But it didn't happen in America, it happened in Manitoba. Stefan did not get better, by the way. He got worse. He lost over 20 pounds. He had chronic nausea, constant headaches, and the burns on his body three separate times over the following year. The burn pattern came back. Went away, came back, went away, came back again. The same grid, so the burns were showing up in the in the same grid that he saw on the craft that the gas came out of, same location on his body, and he had had no new exposure, so it was going and coming back, and the doctors just could not explain why it was happening. He had a son, Stan, who was nine years old at the time. And when his dad came home that day, Stan described the smell. Like his dad smelt like sulfur, and his dad kept showering and it wouldn't go away. And he said his dad didn't look like his dad, and just really bizarre. Um, if you even take the UFO part out of the story, something happened to this guy where he came home smelling like sulfur, had these physical burns, um, encountered the RCMP. So something obviously happened, and I think putting yourself in a child's perspective, seeing your dad come home and and intuitively knowing something is not right is just really sad. Um, Stefan did write a short manuscript about it, but it was, I've read it. It's mostly just to document what happened. Um, as far as I know, he didn't profit from it. Um, he found the whole thing very distressing. So if you want to read it, I'll include it in the show notes. But it's very clinical. It's like this happened, this happened, this happened, this happened, this happened. That's it. Um, and I believe Stan ended up um releasing some material as m some material as well um to support his dad's story. But until the day Stefan died, he actually believed it was a secret military aircraft. He never got on record and said that he thought it was a UFO or an alien. So there was 30 years of unexplained symptoms, and still he's like, Nope, it's experimental tech. I'm going with the fact that it was something American that we didn't know. He died in 1999 and he never changed his story. Now, here's what makes that land differently now for me. In the age of disclosure, the documentary I just mentioned that's on Prime, it features a man named Hal Putoff, and he is a Pentagon UAP insider that I talked about in episode three. And what he said was um he had come to this hypoc hypothetical reason um about how these craft are actually moving in the ways that people are perceiving them, which is like 40,000 miles an hour, stopping on a dime, making a right-hand turn, going from space to sky to water, um, basically doing things we can't really explain. And his hypothesis is the energy field associated with these craft would cause a highly energetic wave of radiation, which is why people who get too close to experience people who get too close to them experience biological effects that are harmful. So again, in 2026, with more information and more whistleblowers coming forward with theories about how these craft work, it does give a possible application explanation about how Stefan Mihailik got sick. It was that he got too close and the radiation that um was measured at the site, and also that their hypothesizing is part of how these things move and work could be a possible explanation. So in 1967, we at least, and he specifically had no framework for what had happened to him, but in 2025 and 2026, Pentagon insiders are describing the physics that would explain it. And I would say too, is part of the theory that they describe in Age of Disclosure is that essentially whatever energy field is around these crafts that allows them to move is bending space and time in a way that we don't understand. So they don't know how it's doing it, but the theory is the craft somehow creates this force field around itself that bends space and time, and that force field is what causes radiation. All right, now this is the part that gets me the most excited as I start to investigate Canada's UFO history and how it works into modern day disclosure. I stan Bob Lazar, love Bob Lazar. I've read and seen everything about him. He's the OG of Area 51. If you don't know who he is, just Google his name, look on TikTok, you'll find a lot of great content. But he came forward in 1989 claiming he had worked at Area 51. Actually, no, he said he worked at a facility near Area 51, and his job was to reverse engineer a recovered alien craft. So obviously that was massively controversial, massively controversial, and I'm going to be talking about that in more detail soon. But for this case, for Falcon Lake, there are some similarities to what Bob Lazar said and to what Stefan Mahailek said, which is the craft's behavior during testing. So what Bob Lazar said is when the craft was being tested out in the desert, it would make a hissing type sound with a visible glow underneath the craft when it was about to take off. The effect was strongest near the ground, and then as it climbed, the sound and glow faded. Now, listen to Mahailik. In 1967, 22 years before Bob Lazar went public, he described a hissing sound, a color-shifting glow. It was strongest near the ground, and as it departs, the color changes and the effect fades. He was a Polish immigrant prospector in the Manitoba wilderness in 1967. He was not reading Bob Lazar's theories because they didn't exist yet. So he was describing what he saw, and this is what's so exciting about what's happening now you can kind of look back at these stories in history and tie them back to what whistleblowers are saying now. There was also a lot of similarities to how Bob Lazar described one of the craft he had seen at the facility he worked at. And if you're if you're willing to open your mind to that these things are connected and that maybe all of these stories throughout history are true, it's interesting. Seeing those dots connected as a UFO enthusiast is exciting, especially from a Canadian lens. So what happened at Falcon Lake, I don't know. I think I know, but I don't know for sure. What I will say, if someone confirmed tomorrow that a non-human craft landed there on May 20th, 1967, I would not be surprised. A man was injured, physical evidence was documented by government agencies in two countries, and Project Blue Book, whose whole purpose was to investigate UFO situations, could not explain it. In 57 years, we still don't know what happened to Stephanie Pilek at Falcon Lake. There's more evidence than Roswell, and until I started this show, I had never even heard of it. Next week, we are going to the east coast, to Nova Scotia, a fishing village. Something went into the water and it never came back up. This is another really famous Canadian case I didn't know about, and it connects directly to something the Pentagon just called some of the most compelling evidence it actually holds. And released. That's episode four. I'm Peter from BC. Thank you for tuning in. See the show notes below. You can find me at the Canadian UFO Podcast on Instagram. And if you want to email me, you can find me at the Canadian UFO podcast at gmail.com, especially if you know something about that Burlison meeting or if you are a conservative MP in Manitoba, honey, let me know. There is a lot of country up here and even more sky, and I can't wait to discover it every week with you. See you next week.