5. Shag Harbour vs David Grusch

Shag Harbour is called Canada's Roswell. But that label undersells it. Roswell's entire story is built on absence — missing records, retracted press releases, witnesses coming forward decades later. Shag Harbour has contemporaneous government documentation. The Canadian government filed it as an unidentified flying object the same night it happened. In writing. Never retracted.

But the official record is only half the story.

According to off-record testimony gathered from military personnel over years of investigation — the object didn't just sink. It traveled 25 miles underwater to a government submarine detection site. Naval vessels tracked it on sonar. And then a second craft arrived. The prevailing interpretation: it came to help the first. The military watched both objects on the seafloor for nearly a week. And then they left.

This episode covers the full Shag Harbour story — what was seen, what was filed, and what witnesses say happened beneath the surface. Plus: how the Trump administration's recent UAP file releases, David Grusch's new comments about sentient plasmoid life, and a major scientific UAP conference coming to Toronto this July all connect back to a Nova Scotia fishing village in 1967.

Canada documented this fifty-nine years ago. Nobody paid attention. That's changing.

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As you know, recently the Trump administration has been releasing um unclassified UAP files. And in the most recent drop, the third one, they released a video called Orbs Over the Pond. It is a luminous object hovering above a pond, resembling, and this is their description, a plasma-like sphere. It's changing shape, a point of light that's basically hovering just above the surface of the water. Great video. I was uh really liked that they released it. It was really cool to see. It sat stationary for 45 minutes floating above the damn pond, and then it was gone. The government called it among the most compelling evidence they've released so far. Now, let me tell you about October 4th, 1967, in Shag Harbor, Nova Scotia. Orange lights over the water, sound familiar, descending into the harbor, a glowing object hovering just below the surface, yellow foam, sulfur smell, and then nothing. The Canadian government officially filed it. They called it a UFO in writing that same night. But what happened after it went under the water? It's even wilder than what happened before. Hi, I'm Peter from BC. This is the Canadian UFO podcast. Here is a quick recap. So episode one, the debate is over, the phenomenon is real, and Canada has been missing from the conversation. Episode two, the Tic Tac, Why It Should Have Broken the Internet and Kind of Didn't. Episode 3, Paul Hellier, the Canadian who said all of this 18 years before Washington caught up about the fact there is secret retrieval programs and we know about the damn aliens and they're working with us. Last week's episode, Falcon Lake, Canada's most documented UFO case, more evidence than Roswell. And today we're talking about Jack Harper. And I promise you, the part most people don't know about this case is the part that's going to stay with you because it stayed with me. So people call this Canada's Roswell, and I want to push back on that gently because Roswell's entire story is built on absence. It was the missing records, the retracted press releases, witnesses coming forward decades later. And Shag Harbor has documents that you can still go to. They didn't hide anything. As soon as it happened, they called it what it was, which is a UFO, and they kept the files open for you to see. The same night it happened. So they didn't change it to say it was a weather balloon. It was a UFO. That's what they said, and they let it be. So right away, very different than Roswell. So not a meteor, not a crash plane. It was an unidentified flying object in writing at the time. That is not Canada's Roswell Huddy. That's Canada actually doing something the Americans never did, which is admitting on record that they didn't know what it was. Now, let me tell you what happened. So on October 4th, 1967, Friday night, just after 11 p.m. in Shag Harbor, which is a tiny fishing village. It's at the southern tip of Nova Scotia. A few hundred people lived there at the time. So super quiet, very dark, very um secluded. There were multiple groups across the coastline that started noticing something in the sky. They described it as bright orange lights that were moving together over the water. Five teenagers watched them flash in a sequence and then dive towards the water at a 45-degree angle. So they thought, and I would probably think the same thing, that a plane had gone down. At the same time, there was an RCMP constable named Ron Pound who had already seen the lights from Highway Three, and he drove along the shoreline, arrives, and sees a glow. But this time the glow is just below the surface, about half a mile out. The object is floating, it's glowing, and around this time, the fishermen get in their boats and they go out to see what the hell it was. So these are people who have spent their entire lives on the water. They know what wreckage looks like, they know how the ocean behaves after a crash, and what they found was something they had never seen before. It was a thick yellow foam and it smelt like sulfur. There's that smell again, same as Falcon Lake. By the time they reached the spot, the glow is gone, the object is under, and there is nothing but foam. When the authorities confirmed that there was no aircraft missing, the Rescue Coordination Center officially filed it. It's not a plane, something went down, it's an unidentified flying object, and they never retracted that statement. So this is the part that I really didn't know, so you probably didn't know. Um, and based on off-the-record testimony gathered from military personnel years later, I want to be clear that this is not a part of the official files, but here's what witnesses and divers describe. So the object didn't just sink and disappear, it traveled, it traveled underwater, about 25 miles actually, to a place called Government Point, which is near a submarine detection base. So naval vessels positioned themselves over it. Sonar had it locked, the military started planning a salvage operation to go and get it, and then a second craft showed up. A second UFO out of nowhere. This UAP joins the first one in the water. So the prevailing interpretation, and this is what witnesses and researchers concluded, was that the second craft had come to help the first. Isn't that sweet? Like its own little rescue mission. So think about that for a second. Whatever went into the water at Shague Harbor, something came to get it. The Navy decided to wait and watch, see what the hell was going on. And for about a week, military vessels sat above sat above the two identified flying objects on the seafloor of Nova Scotia. They were just like waiting to see what would happen. And then, bitch, a Russian submarine entered Canadian waters nearby. So some of the vessels were called away to investigate, and two of the craft made their move. So they traveled to the Gulf of Maine and surfaced, and they shot into the sky. Now, I want to be clear. This comes from off-the-record testimony. So former military personnel who would not put their names to it. So we'll take it with a grain of salt. But is it documented officially? No. But multiple independent sources told the same story to researcher Chris Styles over the years. By the way, shout out to Chris Styles. He's done a lot of amazing research for Canadian UFO history. If you don't know him, you should know him soon. But given what David Grush has said under oath about covert retrieval programs and the idea that two identified craft were quietly monitored on the seafloor of Nova Scotia and then allowed to leave, it doesn't sound as crazy as it once did, does it? Now let's talk about the orbs because this is where Shag Harbor stops being a 1967 history lesson and starts being a 2026 conversation. The Trump administration's recent file releases have put orbs front and center. David Grush, who we talked about in episode two, was back on the Capitol steps earlier this month and he said something new. And I mentioned this last episode. He described the phenomenon as, and I'm paraphrasing, a continuum from what he called corp corporeal bipedal type life, meaning physical beings like you and me who walk on two feet, to what he described as sentient plasmoid life. Sentient plasmoid, as in intelligent orbs. So I don't really know what to do to that, but I did find it impossible to ignore when the government is simultaneously releasing videos of plasma spheres hovering above water and calling it compelling. And in Canada in 1967, we had our official documented orange light situation hovering above the water, going under the water, maybe having its friend come and rescue it, moving 25 miles, shooting out into the sky, the Russians coming. I mean, whatever those lights and craft were, or plasmoids, or something else entirely, I don't know. But don't you see the dots? Aren't you connecting them with me in real time across decades, across countries, and government files and congressional testimony? It's pointing at something. The facts are facting, people. So what happened in Shag Harper? Something did go into the water. We know that for sure. The government admitted it and they said they didn't know what it was. Divers went in and on the record officially found nothing. And if off the record testimony is accurate, though, and I pray to God that it is, something else came to help it. They sat on the seafloor for a week and then they left. Maybe they went to Area 51 to see Bob Lazar, but this is my take. The Shag Harbor case is significant, not just because of what was seen, but because of the shape of what happened after the official investigation and then silence, which is exactly what David Grush describes for every case he references. Canada documented this in 1967, they filed it properly, and then nothing. It sort of stays in that in-between zone. And in two months, I just found this out. A major scientific UAP conference is coming to Toronto, July 24th and 26th. And the keynote speaker is Christopher Mellon, who is the former Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense for Intelligence. There are going to be scientists, policymakers, researchers, and they're all going to be in Canada talking about this. The conversation is coming here, whether the government wants it to or not. I mean, I'm sure they are at least open to it if we're having it here. But next week we're going to talk about those orbs more broadly because I'm I'm curious about them. I think there's a theme and the shape that keeps appearing in Canadian cases that keeps going back for decades and what it might actually mean that the government is now taking it more seriously. That's episode five. I'm Peter from BC. You can find me at the CanadianUFOPOCAS at gmail.com and the Canadian UFO Podcast on Instagram. If you're Canadian and you've seen something especially near the water, I want to hear about it. Please let me know. There is a lot of country up here and even more sky and apparently a lot of water too. I will see you next week.