A Journey from Chronic Illness to Purpose w/ Kathryn Camp

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In this episode of the Pulsebeat podcast, Jason Hewlett speaks with Kathryn Camp, a licensed minister and educator, about her unexpected path into ministry and the personal challenges that shaped her calling. Kathryn opens up about her daughter’s difficult battle with Lyme disease, the family’s search for answers, and how she eventually discovered Cardio Miracle. She also recounts a surprising TSA incident that raised unexpected questions about the product’s ingredients. Throughout the discussion, Kathryn highlights the importance of discerning God’s voice, the clarity and health benefits she’s experienced from Cardio Miracle, and her passion for environmentally responsible supplement practices.

Chapters

00:00 Introduction to Kathryn Camp and Her Journey
02:15 The Call to Ministry and Education
09:32 Recognizing God's Voice in Life Decisions
17:38 Health Challenges: A Family's Journey
26:40 Discovering Cardio Miracle and Its Impact
31:17 Unexpected Airport Encounter
36:27 The Mystery of the Explosive Alert
40:55 Environmental Considerations in Health Products
48:51 Customer Service and Communication
52:09 The Benefits of Cardio Miracle

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Transcript

SPEAKER_00 0:11

Hi, everybody, and welcome to the Pulse Bead Podcast. My name is Jason Hewlett. I'm the president of Cardio Miracle, and it's awesome to have you today joining us for a conversation with the wonderful Catherine Camp. How are you doing, Catherine?

SPEAKER_01 0:24

I'm doing really well. It's a beautiful day, and it's exciting to be here to tell the story of what happened to me with Cardio Miracle.

SPEAKER_00 0:36

We have a very interesting uh discussion that we get to have today, which we've never actually had anything like this happen that we are aware of. And maybe there are more out there in Cardiom Miracle Land that have had this type of experience. And so we wanted Catherine to come in because she had reached out and told us of something really interesting, unfortunate in its own right, as well as perhaps something that can really help us move into the future. And so uh we hope that you're interested to find out what that is. But first I have to introduce who Catherine is. From your website, Catherine, I received some information that was pretty cool. It says Catherine is a wife and mother of two children, a licensed minister, and holds a doctor of ministry in apologetics and a master of divinity with a focus on biblical Hebrew. She's taught as an adjunct pro professor of apologetics and biblical studies for six years, and she's initiated Living into the Truth Ministries as a response to the growing number of professing Christians who have been silenced by the plethora of cultural dilemmas we face in our day and time. She's dedicated to building confident and knowledgeable Christians for the kingdom of God, my kind of amazing person. We we appreciate that and love that uh you've had such an incredible, illustrious career so far. And uh so at the same time, I'm curious if you can tell us, on top of all of this amazing history that you have with in the realm of theology and teaching and Christianity and so forth, also, if you don't mind, maybe just give us a little background about how this all how did you get into what you're doing and why did you choose that path before we go into more of the cardiomerical side of things?

SPEAKER_01 2:26

Well, actually, Jason, it chose me. Um I it's not something I ever saw myself doing is getting into full-time ministry. I a lot of people here are calling in their teens when they kind of understand what's going on uh in the world and start thinking about what they're going to do. And uh I, you know, I I felt like I should be doing something for God, which is really weird at 18. And at that time, because uh way back when it was really you, if you were a female, you were probably you could be a nun. And that just did not appeal to me at all. I I like to get out and travel and do things, and I couldn't see myself in a convent forever. Um, and maybe that's not how it is being a nun. I'm not trying to put anyone uh, you know, discourage anyone from having that life. It just wasn't for me uh at the time. But what really kicked me uh into gear is uh I guess it was around 2005, 2006, when um I started learning that the school that was supposedly a Christian school, it was a an independent school, uh you know, private and college preparatory type of school. I I started to learn that they were teaching the girls uh about uh sexual diversity and that it was okay with Jesus. And I thought, okay, I know what the Bible says, and I'm not comfortable with this. And this could eventually draw the girls who fall into this trap, it could draw them away from God, not to him. So one thing led to another. Um, I was leading some Bible studies for women. I was uh very engaged with my church, which was a Baptist church at the time. And I just I knew something wasn't right. And then people started telling me, well, you should go to seminary. Um I because I really wanted to get more into learning about Hebrew, uh the biblical Hebrew. I thought it was just Hebrew, but then somebody told me, No, you want biblical Hebrew because it's an ancient language. And one thing led to another. I thought I was gonna take a course or two in Hebrew, and God said, uh, you're going to apply for full-time here. And uh anything, anyway, I ended up with a master's of divinity, thought I was done, and God said, nope, you're not done. You're moving on to a doctorate at another seminary. So I ended up three more years after five years of uh master's work, because it was a very large uh degree. It was like 91 credit hours. So that's where I ended up. Uh and in 2013, uh I decided, okay, I need to start a ministry. I thought I would be an itinerant uh speaker and go around because I have no desire to be a pastor uh at all. In apologetics, my whole thing was, okay, I need to help people who are professing Christians understand how to defend their faith. And and because they don't know how, a lot of Christians, when they're challenged, they don't know what to say. So they remain silent, and that's not what we're called to do. So just one thing led to another. I wrote a book on, you know, defending the New Testament, which also in that defends the Old Testament, the legitimacy of it. And I speak when I'm called to and write and research and teach. So that's what I do.

SPEAKER_00 6:27

That is incredible. So yeah, so tell us about where the uh video channel is so everybody can look it up as well as tell us about the book and how somebody could get it.

SPEAKER_01 6:39

Okay. The my show is called the Faith and Culture Show, and I have most of my work on Rumble, probably all my work right now, and I do a live two live programs a month. Uh one is on Mondays, uh, the first Monday of every month, to your, and it's called To Your Health, because uh that's another story in and of itself. I really got opened my eyes to the medical industrial complex uh when one of our uh girls got deathly ill uh back in, well, we started to notice it in 2016, 2014, excuse me. Anyhow, um, and then the other show is once uh the third Thursday of every month, and it's uh theological Third Thursdays, and I do that with uh Pastor Casper uh McLeod, who a lot of people know out there, and that's kind of fun. It's just talking about theology. And my book is under investigation, has critical uh critical scholarship uh unveiled, or I can't remember the full title. It's been a while, uh, a corrupted Bible, because a lot of people, that's their basis for not believing in God or in Christ, uh, is that they think that the Bible is corrupted. So anyway, it just kind of shows all the historical and literary criticisms that have come against the scriptures and how they've also been debunked by archaeological findings, historical findings, writings, uh, just upper and lower criticism, higher and lower criticisms, excuse me.

SPEAKER_00 8:26

Right. Wonderful. And so could the book be available on Amazon under your name?

SPEAKER_01 8:31

Yeah, it's it's under, I guess you could find it under that. It is under investigation. And yes, then then you would have my name because you might have some other books that are also called under investigation that uh wouldn't be obviously.

SPEAKER_00 8:49

Right on. Well, that's great. So under investigation under Catherine Camp and go to Amazon, check it out. She's got her channel on you on uh Rumble as well, which sounds amazing. And so these are all great things, you know. Before we talk about the cardiomerical experience that you've had so far, and I am curious how you found out about it. You had mentioned something within there, uh, the description of what you do, that you said God was calling me or talking to me about which direction I should go in my life. For those that are listening and and observing within our audience, we do have very many uh of our people that are very much in that space of saying, I receive revelation or I know what it feels like to have God speak to my soul and my heart. Do you mind just explaining in your own words what that feels like, how somebody can recognize that if they're not familiar with that process?

SPEAKER_01 9:43

Wow, Jason, that's such a good question because yeah, not everybody gets to hear God, and some people um hear him a lot, others never do. I just feel very blessed. Uh all my life I've heard God speaking to me about little things. You know, um, for instance, the one of the first times when I think God was starting to work on me and get my attention, um, the girls and I went to visit uh their dad for lunch at uh where he worked downtown at the time, and they were little. And I had we had just come from working out at at the gym. Well, I did, you know, they were in tow with me. And I knew that we'd have to park the car and walk a little bit to go to his office, so I didn't want to put my jewelry on. Uh I just, you know, I'm not a big city person and anymore. And so I was just being cautious. So I had my jewelry in a little bag and I kept it in my my gym bag. And I heard God saying, take it, take it with you. Um, and I thought, why? We're parking at a covered parking space, you know, it's it's uh a valet, and I didn't feel threatened, and but I did. I thought, okay, whatever. And I put it, took it with me. Well, when we got out of lunch, our you know, my husband was walking us back to the uh parking deck, and they couldn't find the car. It was gone. It was uh it was that's the first time I've ever had a car stolen like that. And one of my daughters said, I heard God telling me to take my one of her favorite little bear. He went with us everywhere, and I was like, because I told him, I said, God told me to bring my jewelry, and I did it. Um, and there were other things, but um as far as going to ending up in seminary, which I was really insulted when my friends were telling me, you need to be in seminary. I thought, why would I do something like that? You know, I don't even, I don't even know what they're teaching there. But anyway, um, I was taking, I signed up for Hebrew, and the very first day of class, I was real excited. I was finally gonna learn some biblical Hebrew so I could help the women that I was teaching know more about the context and what's really being said in scripture. And, you know, to just kind of go back a little bit, um when you're when you're reading scripture, and there are certain words that could mean many different things depending on the context. And if you know a second language, if you know any other second language, even uh Spanish or uh French, there are ways of saying things that you just can't translate fully in English. You just can't. And I know that because I am bilingual, and and so I was real excited. I'm gonna finally dig into God's word. And uh I sat down, and the second I sat in that chair on the left side, I heard God say, at break, I want you to go down to the admissions office, ask them for an application for a full-time study. And I fought him the whole time. I was like, How can I do that? Nobody wants, you know, to first of all, it's expensive to go to graduate school. Second of all, how will I find the time? I'm starting to still young. And I what this doesn't make any sense. And and but I did. He said, no, you just go. And class started, and then at break, I I went ahead and I was arguing with him in my head. I wasn't talking to myself or anything. And um, you know, Jason, what happened was I filled out the application and it was a pretty liberal seminary, so it took them longer than usual to accept me, but they did finally, uh, because they didn't like my testimony because I'm very conservative, and I didn't have to pay anything for school. All five years, God got me scholarships uh every semester, which is unheard of, first for a female, second for uh someone at my age, because I was obviously older than the other students. And so for me, that was amazing. But when you follow what God is asking you to do, he has a reason for it. Um, and so that's I you know, but his voice to me is says he tells me things that I I would never expect. You know, I wouldn't think of it myself and it's it's very clear and it's i I don't even know how to explain it. It's not my voice. It's just a still small voice and and it's very straightforward. It it's not demeaning ever, it's just instruction. And that's I when I was worried about my girls, I heard him speak to me and he said, They're gonna be fine, but you need to do this. And he asked me to do three things I did not want to do. I did not want to get involved in because I just didn't like the people. So and but it was it was ended up really a blessing for me to understand better how people think and why they think the way they do, and to be patient. So that you know, it's just a still small voice, and he always says things that you wouldn't ex you wouldn't tell yourself that. It's like anyway.

SPEAKER_00 16:02

Oh, that's very well said. I appreciate the explanation because I think a lot of the time we believe in, you know, there are people that say, Oh, God spoke to me, and and uh people may say to themselves, well, that could be like your conscience, like a Jiminy Cricket on your shoulder. Always let your conscience be your guide, right? Like and yet I think that what happens in that sense is that a lot of the time that's the feeling of of consciousness or of self-doubt and these other kinds of you know thinking things, whereas with God it's almost like it's put right into your heart and you feel a resonance within your body, even if it's especially if it's confusing, it seems. It's like, why take the jewelry out of the car? The car's safe, and uh and or uh things with the scholarships and so forth like you shared, which I appreciate those stories, because God does speak to us, his voice is powerful, and it uh of course if we if we listen to it and obey and do what we're told, we'll receive more opportunities to listen and obey more. And I'm I I think that unfortunately a lot of the times we c if we ignore it too much, then perhaps he'll still speak, but may not be as profound or as hit us as hard because knowing that we may not even admonish or listen to what's being said. And so I appreciate what you've just uh described there. That's very helpful. So do you mind if I ask about your your daughter? You said that she had uh some kind of sickness come up, and I was curious in terms of uh her health, is she doing better now or is she still fighting some challenges and and as well as for you and yourself? Are you in a good health space personally right now?

SPEAKER_01 17:48

Yes, I I really am, and praise God for that. Uh thanks for asking about her. Yes, uh she uh probably when she was very young, because she loves horses, uh, she was um and she's my we've all had lots of ticks um being out in the woods and in the countryside. And it it something got to her and was spread to her. Now, um, you know, I I I know Jiddy Michelitz, uh praise God. I've gotten to know her over the past year, uh, but I've been watching her for a little bit, you know, with the pandemic series and all. Um however, uh my daughter had what is called or known as Lyme disease, which really is it's a very complex set of symptoms, and uh it's based on parasites, getting parasites in your body. And she was severely attacked with this, and it took years to manifest as an injury of some sort, and it started out basically as psychological because these uh parasites can cross the blood-brain barrier and do a lot of damage. They get into your organs, they can get they get into your bone marrow. Um and now I'm going to have Judy on next week to talk to us about uh this uh Borrelia burgdorphy, which is a corkscrew-shaped parasite, which you probably know about, and that's why it can work its way into all of these organs and your bones. And um so we think it got into her bones at a very young age and just manifested there and grew and started growing colonies. Um, that's what it does, it just feeds off of you. And when she broke her ankle in a volleyball game and didn't tell us for, I don't know, five weeks, she just limped around on it because she wanted to be able to still be active and didn't tell uh anybody. Um but eventually, you know, it was like, okay, this isn't getting better. We're gonna have it checked out. So, anyhow, what happened was all of these whatever they are, parasites, bacterias, spread throughout her body. And uh it started to manifest as, you know, psychological stuff and problems and uh an appendix attack because it had got they had gotten in her her organs. And this happens to a lot of people and they don't know what's happening, and then they don't get better. It just keeps getting worse. It wasn't, you know, because the medical uh field is so corrupt, doctors aren't even taught how to recognize these symptoms, and so they kept saying, It's in her head, it's in her head. She started to believe that. And here you are, a young teen, you're already, you know, it's hard enough to be a middle schooler and then in high school. Um uh so I just it was like the whole the culture of everything was against her, uh being in in an all-girls school and just the whole ball of wax. Um so it yeah, it it was terrible. It was we didn't know what to think. And finally somebody told me, Have you ever even and this went on for a long time, and she just got worse and worse, and the doctors are saying it's in her head, she wants attention. So if anyone Out there with these problems, or has a child, all of a sudden get strange on you. It's not all in their head. It's real. Um, there's something else going on. And it took somebody, and I can't say who, because they have to fly under the radar, because of the corruption of the medical complex and the lab core and quest. This person looked at our daughter's blood under a microscope and showed us on a big screen all of the parasites in there. She was pointing out this is, you know, this is Borrelia Bergdorfry. This is the corkscrew thing you see swimming around in there. These are the colonies of uh the bacteria. They have shed their outer layer and have colonized in her blood and made like a jelly substance. And they're very happy there. Um and so it was just she was it was all over. Her blood circulation was very poor. She had pots, she had developed pots, you know, posterior orthostatic tachycardia. Uh, so that's why she was always passing out. Um because it it's a it gets very dangerous. People, I mean, your skin hurts, it feels like it's on fire. You're so lethargic, you can't get your head off the pillow. Um so that's where we were, and this person saved our her life. I say our lives because we're all involved, right? The whole family, it affects everybody. But then we knew what direction to take. So here we are a decade later, pretty much, and we're finally finding, wow, okay. So then of course we had to go to someone who wasn't on the insurance track or anything like that. And this is why, Jason, a lot of people just die. They can't afford to do that. This is it's just it it's very wicked and and it's man-made. And they make you think, oh, it came from a tick. Well, I think Dr. Michovitz has uh other things to say about it um and where it comes from. And I'm real excited that we're gonna talk about that on this coming week, um, at my two-year health uh segment. Um so that's yeah. So once we got to the right person, um he started uh really going at it. And that's a har it's a harsh treatment. It's like treating cancer patients with a tube in the chest and doing the antibiotics, uh, which you're killing your body just to kill these things, but she survived and she's a lot better, a whole lot better. Praise the Lord, but you know, there's still lingering things going on, which are fine, they're manageable, and we're gonna work on getting those things taken care of. That's why I was telling you I I'm going to try to get cardiomerical in her routine. It's just getting it in the routine that's the tough part.

SPEAKER_00 25:17

Well said. Well, give her our best, and uh obviously this is a decade-long process you've been through, and so we're grateful that you found some solutions. That's what everybody wants to hear, and that she's doing better, thank goodness. And and praise God for sure. I mean, what a what a tragic and yet hopeful tale, right? And how important it is for us to search for solutions, not just receive what we get at a hospital or at one doctor, you know, if if if they say it's just in your head, crazy. I'm so sorry you've been through that. And for her and such a maturation time to receive that type of information, that's just so that's so disheartening, right? And so I'm I'm grateful that you have the the Spirit of God to guide you through the challenges that you've been through as a family and to help her find the solutions needed and the right doctors in the right place at the right time. And and and so as as you've gone through this journey, obviously, we've uh we've touched on some of your education, touched on some family, some of the challenges and things that you've been through in that sense, and also the successes. So I'm curious, how did it come to be that you became associated with cardiomerical? Because obviously Dr. Judy is one of our great missionaries of the, you know, and messengers of the nitric oxide therapy and how much it helps everyone. I'm excited for you to have her on your podcast because she is an absolute genius and a gem of a person. So how did you come to find out about cardiomerical? And then we'll get into this story that uh I think everybody's quite interested in hearing what happened to you.

SPEAKER_01 26:50

Um, well, you know, in uh in 2020, obviously everything went upside down, but that was the year I was taking care of of my daughter. She had to go through that whole year of treatment. So we were kind of locked away anyway, doing that while everyone else was going crazy. But in that process, I I think along with a lot of other people, I started to wake up to some not so settling things going on in our world, our governments, uh the one world government forming. So you start to circle the wagons. And I had already gotten on the bandwagon for uh uh functional medicine doctors, naturopaths, things like that. And those I kind of gravitated to those types of people and and professionals. And what happened was in that process, I met uh one of my dear friend who I have now. Uh she was an RN who talked, uh, was helping out FL the FLCCC, which is Dr. Pierre Corey's and Dr. Palmer's um organization that they started. And I know it's not called that anymore, uh, but I can't remember what they're called, independent something, I think. Anyhow, she was one of their R ants, and we became friends. And so I was at her house for dinner and uh very full afterwards, and she said, No, you have to have some of this right now. And so she put it in a small glass and got a little stir and stirred it up and was like, oh my gosh. She said, It's just a shot. It's okay. And so I took it and it's like, well, that tastes really good. Um, and so I was reading the ingredients and learning about it. And so I uh she told me more about it herself. And so I went ahead and ordered some and uh just got it into my routine. But that's how I learned about it. It's just word of mouth.

SPEAKER_00 28:54

Seems to be the best way, seems to be the way that people actually prefer it because we've spent money on advertising and social media and other places at events, but when a friend or someone you trust gives you the opportunity to stir it up and have a little drink of it, then it's it's quite a bit easier that way. That's amazing. So then you've been taking it as a part of your daily staple for a little bit then, since the pandemic.

SPEAKER_01 29:20

Actually, no, not since this was this came later. Um it was when when things settle down more. So it's been about a year and a half, I think. And it it's hard to get into my routine, but I do have it now. I look forward to it. Um see, you know, uh Judy, Dr. Judy puts something else inside of hers, and I haven't gotten that yet. So I just I look forward to my cardio miracle every morning, and I take it on my trips with me.

SPEAKER_00 29:52

And that's where we're going, right? On this conversation.

SPEAKER_01 29:56

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 29:57

So um you were on your way for a great celebration for your mother, and you went to the airport, and something that you had not experienced before happened to you, which I've I've had some experiences that are similar in other cases with other products. But tell our cardiomerical family and audience what happened to you when you went to the airport, ready to celebrate your mom, what you had with you. And yeah, we're exposing the truth here of something that was pretty darn disappointing for us to hear as a cardiomerical family, if you don't mind.

SPEAKER_01 30:31

I don't mind at all. Um, you all have always been very responsive to, you know, just me as a customer, um, unbelievably so. So um I just want to say that before if I forget. But yeah, I had my cardiomerical. I was taking it on, I wanted to carry it on the plane just in case they uh lost my luggage because I had just opened it, used a couple scoops out of it, was taking it to my mom for her to start using. Uh, because I've learned if since I started using it, I've learned so much more about it, you know, from Dr. Judy and um how it clears your mind, brain fog, and all of that. So um I had it in my bag, really simple. I don't like to carry a lot of stuff in my carry-on because if they're gonna find something wrong, they're gonna find something wrong. And and I don't want it, I didn't want it to be a complicated uh takeoff. Anyhow, sure enough, uh, I guess they saw the bag in the um, I guess whatever machine they the x-rays that they they look at, they found they pulled it out of my bag, and when they opened it, of course, it's very, very fine powder. So first of all, the woman who opened it just went up in her nose and she was started sneezing. It's like, and I I was making light of it. I just said, Yeah, that happens to me too, all the time. But but she was had a very serious look on her face. Um I'm sure she thought, I'm gonna die, I'm just gonna die. Um anyhow, so they swabbed it and it came up as an explosive. And I saw it. I was right there, and I was looking at her and I thought, how can that be? I take it every day and I'm not dead. It's not bad for you. In fact, I started saying, you know, well, it's what what's in here? And I said, Well, it has beets and it has tomatoes and has carrots, and I was listing all, you know, as much as I could remember of the ingredients. And um, of course, it's right there on the package. So anyway, um, and and so they tested it again. They swabbed the outside of the bag, and sure enough, it showed up as an explosive. So then, of course, they took everything of mine, even the things that had already been through, and I started to repack my roller bag, and they went through every bit of it and ran everything through, you know, they were swabbing everything. Then they wanted to do a body search of me. So I asked, I said, Well, that's kind of embarrassing. Can we go into a room separate? And so I, you know, they took me in a private room and explained to me what they were gonna do. And I said, Well, I can just take off my dress because it was just two women. And I said, you know, I can save you some time. And anyway, they're like, No, we don't do that here. I was like, okay. Um, so anyway, they were doing all this stuff, and I think what she was doing was trying to shake anything out of my dress that could have been, you know, if it was an explosive or whatever. Anyhow, um, after after that, it took 30 minutes. I'm really glad that my husband and I went to the airport early that time because that r we would have missed our flight. Um But it gave us enough time to at least me to recuperate, but from like wondering what in the world. And so, of course, they confiscate it. It was a brand new bag pretty much. And I I told the the woman there test oh oh, I don't want to forget this. I come out and she's on the phone FaceTiming with somebody, an explosive expert. Explosives expert. And he's asking her questions, she's asking me questions, and it's going back and forth, and then he's telling her, you know, then they ask for my ID, and so they take a picture of my ID in front of the cardiomerical bag and the back in the front, because he wanted to see all the ingredients, he wanted to see, I think there's a QR code on the back. Um is that right? Okay. Yes, and so maybe she did the Q QR code, I don't know. So they were learning about Cardiomiracle. They were they were going to your site and checking it out. And I just thought, you know, I'm gonna reach out to Cardiomiracle and let them know what happened because what could it possibly be that's setting off the um their system as an explosive. And after 24 hours sleeping on it, once we got to where we were going, I thought, what could it be? And you know, I know that they make bombs out of fertilizer, right? We we hear about that all the time, you know, on these movies and how they make things and all this stuff. So I thought, well, maybe it's such pure fertilized you know, fertilized soil that the vegetables are grown in. And I mean, this is where my head's going. I thought, and then it's showing up in the vegetable products that they're so pure and we're so used to such contamination and everything that we're actually dealing with something very pure that we're supposed to have in our body. So that's why I called you all, and I I just wanted to ask what could it be? Y'all were incredibly responsive about it, which I really appreciated, because I was just thinking, well, what about other people who travel with their cardiomerical? It's not and you're going on a trip, you want it with you, um, because it's become a routine and it's good for you. And it's like they're taking all my vitamins away. And I can't just exactly just go buy another one because I've got to order it, and then it takes time to get it. So that's why I just thought, well, maybe people need to know what to expect. And I was curious, just my scientific side of me wanted to know, okay, what is causing this weird? Because they tested everything and and nothing else came up as explosives. Right. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 37:26

Well, imagine imagine, viewer, listener, you're at the airport, you're taking your good health, wonderful, best product ever made with you. It's confiscated from TSA. They're claiming that it's bomb material, and now you're having to possibly take off your clothes and have a pat down, and this whole experience is quite humiliating. And then you're you're going to go celebrate your mother. What was it? Her birthday, right?

SPEAKER_01 37:54

Yeah. Yeah, she was turning 90.

SPEAKER_00 37:59

You're on your way to celebrate your mother's 90th birthday. You're in the line at TSA. Next thing you're being patted down, you're being you're seeing that this is bomb material. All you know is that you've been taking it every day and you think it's great, and that's why you take it with you. So we were fascinated by this story because, first of all, we want to apologize to you personally and to anyone else out in the cardiomerical sphere that have been through something like this. Because this is obviously embarrassing, it's crazy, and it's inappropriate. And yet we appreciate the efforts of TSA, the government, and others that try to keep everyone safe when flying. We know that. As they've had such extreme measures since 9-11 to the point that we can't even take a bottle of water with us anymore, and and every single powder seems to be flagged. I can tell you, I know that I've had challenges, Catherine, where I was bringing a bag full of protein powder and a big scoop in it, and that set off the bomb dogs. And same with creatine powders that I've brought. I've heard that things like baby powder have had a problem, any kind of powdery form or anything that's too liquid, they seem to go crazy over that. So it sounds like you must have had something like our 30 pouch or something similar to this. What was it the 30, or what do you think?

SPEAKER_01 39:19

It's the one that uh is 60.

SPEAKER_00 39:22

The 60, so it's a little bigger than this.

SPEAKER_01 39:24

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 39:25

And as all of our Cardiomerical family knows, when you open it, right, the dust comes out. And so you're not you're now contaminating this TSA woman who's going, I'm gonna die, right? So I'm sorry that I I'm sorry that I find it humorous in its own right because it's like this is the best thing you could sniff, lick, taste, or drink, and yet here's this TSA lady thinking she's now going to die from the powder from Cardiomerica. Well, we don't we don't think that's funny, but obviously it's not a harmful thing in that sense. But can this fire off the alarm systems at TSA at an airport? Apparently, yes. In fact, I know that it can because for me personally, years ago, I took a 30 pack with me, because these are usually in our starter kits. We have like a 30 pouch, which is the scoops, and then we have some stick packets. And so I remember getting flagged every time I took the powder form uh pouch, not the stick pack. And so that's kind of the first let's be careful with what we don't check. And I know that when it's checked, never has a problem. When I carry it on, I have a challenge. But if I take this, which is our trusty stick pack, these don't ever have a problem. I don't know what the difference is, other than that they're just individually wrapped rather than being in a big bag of powder and all the goodness. So Catherine, you and talked to me and because I was telling you, why don't you just take stick packs? Tell me what your, you know, your environmental challenges with these, if you don't mind.

SPEAKER_01 41:05

I wasn't gonna bring that up, Jason.

SPEAKER_00 41:07

No, it's okay. I we want to talk about it.

SPEAKER_01 41:11

The first thing I think about with individually wrapped products is the waste. Because we we do have uh a problem with you know polluting our earth. And if you've ever been to a landfill, you know it's no joke. Um so I just start thinking that way. Um, in fact, we use aluminum cans as much as possible uh in our life at home, or things income in glass or cardboard instead of plastic, uh plastic bottles and things. Uh it just for me, I just feel like okay, I'm gonna try to avoid all those individually wrapped things and just dole it out as I need it and carry it in a glass. I in fact, I usually carry my cardiomerical in a glass jar uh with a tight lid that fits, you know, it's just the size of a medicine bottle. And because it's glass, I feel like okay, it won't penetrate or anything like leach or whatever. And it's it makes, you know, I can just I know it's heavier, which is, you know, alwa not always great, but with the scoop and the scoop that's inside. So anyway, that was my only thing about that.

SPEAKER_00 42:33

And and yeah, and I appreciate you sharing that. We honor that in the sense of we have been a company that's worked very hard to be environmentally friendly, and we want to respect those that say, I don't like things individually wrapped, I don't want plastic anywhere near it, I want to put my my product in glass and or so forth. And so we just want to respect that. And as a company that's completely transparent, I mean, if somebody wanted to come and walk through our warehouse and look at how we pack these, and or if if you wanted to know as much as we can without divulging every single ingredient, because there is proprietary information there, you know, obviously we want to be as transparent as we possibly can as a company, and that's one of the reasons we wanted to share this experience you had with the world because it's important to us. We're not trying to keep any secrets, we're not ashamed of anything that happens. We're sad that sometimes things are misunderstood or can be, you know, like a TSA incident. And yet uh we did everything we could to make it right for you, Catherine. I hope that you felt that way, and equally for those that are thinking, well, how do I take mine on the plane with me now? Well, like I say, check personally the uh you know, the big the big baggies of it, if you will, and uh and just obviously hope it'll get there because check baggage doesn't always. But we did create these biodegradable as best as we could stick packs and they they've Been a great solution for me. I know I've never been stopped for having six uh the stick packs, even when I had probably a hundred in my bag, because they're individually wrapped. TSA doesn't seem to have a problem with that. Uh if it but I do know when I've poured it into a Ziploc bag, let's say, because I'm not as thinking through the plastics as you are, and I don't do the glass thing. I mean, they stop me when it's in a little ziploc. So it's just kind of what fires them off. And obviously, in a perfect world, I would love to send them in glass jars to everybody. That we we had, you know, I don't know if you know this, Catherine. We used to have canisters, and you can still get the canisters, but the canisters were not as uh environmentally friendly as these bags that we've gone to. And so we changed that up to the chagrin of a lot of our customers because they like the cans, but the cans would arrive smashed, broken, exploded, and weren't as environmentally friendly as the bags. So that's part of the reason we went to the pouch. But tell me tell me some more of your thoughts.

SPEAKER_01 45:03

I think that's a good idea, especially uh well, first of all, you all did. I mean, like I said, you've always gone above and beyond with your customer service, and I knew that I would get answers. After telling my mom the whole story when we got there, I I said, I'm gonna call them later or tomorrow um to to tell them what happened because uh first I'm curious, uh, what in the world? And second of all, other people should know. Just put it in your bag. Um and you did. I got I don't know, two or three responses immediately after I got off the phone with customer service and she told me who to uh send an email to. You know, y'all are great. And I really appreciate it. And I just it was never I was never angry, I was curious. I can't, you know, here's this minister going through TSA with her little bag of vitamins and and it's like I even have my faith and culture hat on. I was like, what? This is it's it's funny that they stop and target, isn't it? I did. I I really thought that because I Dr. Judy has said, do not look into that camera, you know. And so I I don't, I don't like to look into it, and I I they always give me a hard time, and I thought they're they're picking on me because of that. But but then I thought, how would they even know what my bag was like? That guy's busy over there, you know. Anyway, so and it kept coming back to the city.

SPEAKER_00 46:39

We appreciate you reaching out Right, right, and we appreciate you reaching out to us and telling us of this because we want to warn our customers that there are different ways in which the the government or the or the TSA people or even some security or even your health practitioners might react to this product that they've never heard of, that they're concerned about, that you know, that it might look like a red flag to them. And in reality, it's as effective as as it is in changing your life, it's that harmless as well in terms of what you just experienced. It's not an explosive, it's not anything like the things that uh they were assuming. And so we're sorry we lost your product in that sense. Hopefully you got the product we sent in its place uh as a as an apology from us. And equally, if anyone out there in cardiomerical land has had an experience like this, we'd like to know, and we'd like to make sure that you're taken care of. Uh, we also want you to know that we're we're thankful to anybody who reaches out when there's a major customer service issue, big or small. I I mean, I s I say major because to to us, really, everything is major. We take it all serious, and I I don't know how fast you noticed, but like it got to me real fast. Yeah. Because to me, um, knowing what you're going through is important. So don't ever think that it's it's just a quote unquote customer service person that's dealing with this, because all of us are on an equal playing field here, and we're all also trying to make sure that this is handled correctly if it happens, right? So that's why we wanted to jump on a on a recording with you and talk you through it and and find out about your experience. And we're grateful you're so gracious to have shared the story, to have not been you know, you could have really been mean to us. That's that's a true thing, you know that, right? Like you had every reason to be like, I hate you guys, go away. Right.

SPEAKER_01 48:39

Start posting it on X. Don't get this, don't right. It's explosive.

SPEAKER_00 48:46

Yeah, people people would probably a lot of people have done that where they're like, oh, these guys are bad guys because of this. And instead of coming to us and us like talking through it, what I appreciate about you, Catherine, outside of all the great accomplishments you've had as a woman of God, as a as a as a powerful person, as a mother and a and a wife, and all the things that you are, the the fact that you were seeking for truth and answers before you were making accusations and that you wanted to have a communicative experience. You know, th problems happen when we stop communicating. And I believe that essentially any company that has something like this with a customer that they want to know what's happened and they want to fix it. And so we appreciate you giving us a chance to do that.

SPEAKER_01 49:32

There's no no big deal. I got my answers. We think it's the nitric oxide, right? I mean, I think that was the final word from Mark. Um there's probably the the nitric oxide in there is so rich in that that that's what probably set it off. And okay, that makes sense.

SPEAKER_00 49:51

Yeah, there's there's these um there are these proteins that are like L-arginine, L-citrulline, these these little proteins that are in there that may just be so organic, so natural. And obviously, once it hits your bloodstream, that's when the nitric oxide really accelerates and creates. But within the the product itself, having whatever could have been in there that set that alarm off, we still don't know exactly, but we do know that you have to be careful with the different types of products that you take through anyway. And so we would be remiss to say, hey, it's uh it's not a big deal, but to us it is, and that's why we wanted to do this, and we wanted to say, hey, maybe get it some stick packs for your travel. That might be a good choice. And then the rest of the time, buy your big gigantic pouch that will not scare the TSA lady when it opens up and goes, Yeah. And she goes, What's happening? I'm gonna die. You know, I don't felt like that. Thank you. Yeah. Well, we appreciate you taking the time. And and is there outside of having people check out on Rumble your different recordings and and the things that you do in terms of of videos and teachings and and your book, of course. Uh, is there anything else you wanted to mention before we wrap this up?

SPEAKER_01 51:09

I have a sub stack. I'm not real active on there. Um I'm about to start putting uh actual lessons, apologetic lessons, uh behind it's gonna they're you know, I don't know what format or where I'm going to put them. It won't be on Rumble or anything like that uh because it will be more like a college course. But I'll be posting that to my website when I do it. Um for people who don't want to go through the whole exams and having to uh be under stress of writing research papers. I'm just going to teach a basic apologetic course because I think it's important for us to uh be able to defend what we believe and uh w with facts. And that's why I'm always a fact seeker.

SPEAKER_00 52:01

So I love it. Well, we'll look forward to that. And as we wrap up, would would you mind just sharing with our audience why you take cardiomerical and uh kind of your routine with it if you take it in the morning or the evening or if drink it with water or something else and and how has it helped you in your life?

SPEAKER_01 52:19

I I take cardiomerical because of all of the I I guess the what's in there. It has all of these vegetables and uh fruits and you know, that which bring all the minerals and vitamins that our body needs. I want to be as clear as possible. Every day I want to be able to think clearly. And so when I fet when I found that and I started reading up about it, I thought, okay, I'm gonna try this. And actually, I really think that it has helped me with any like sometimes obviously I get scattered some days, but that's that's why I take it is for clarity. Um as far as um how I just take it in a glass of water in a small glass, and I that's how my friend taught me to take it. So it's a real small glass, and I um chug it, and I usually take a omega-3 with it in the morning. And I I would like to get into a routine of taking it in the afternoon as well, because uh, well, for one, Dr. Judy suggested it, and a nutritionist that is also her friend has suggested it that I do it twice a day. Um so I need to get to that stage. It's just remembering to do it. Um so and then what I know you asked me why I take it and how I take it. Is that did I answer your question?

SPEAKER_00 53:44

That was awesome. And I was just curious about kind of the the result for yourself, so it sounds like clears your mind and uh allows you to focus better.

SPEAKER_01 53:53

It gives me clarity. So uh and I feel like I'm getting the nutrients I need. And I'm sorry to keep mentioning Dr. Judy, but she's Oh, she's the best.

SPEAKER_00 54:02

We love her.

SPEAKER_01 54:03

She's and I also know Dr. Jackson. I've interviewed him a few times on my show. He's awesome, too.

SPEAKER_00 54:10

Awesome, he's the best, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 54:11

Yeah, um so uh but we've never talked about cardiomerical. She just says, you know, you don't have to go to you don't have to buy these things at the grocery store. You get all you need right here in in one glass and you're done. So d don't go getting blueberries and all of this stuff. So because you know these are good products in here, it's clean, and your body has all it needs with this. So that's why as well, I know I'm getting what I need.

SPEAKER_00 54:40

That's great. That's a great answer, and I'm glad that's how you feel about it. And truth is, two servings per day is the recommended daily amount in order to keep the body energized, the blood flowing well, the vitamin D3 activating, the nitric oxide, uh relaxing those blood vessels throughout the body in order to have clarity of thought. To we also believe to make the heart pump and flow better in order to receive God's word. I I truly believe that when we have a clear and healthy conscience, when we have our our minerals, our vitamins, all that God provided for us on this planet in order to thrive as spiritual beings in these physical tabernacles, that we have the opportunity through this product to be able to energize ourselves with something so clean and pure and great that He can then reveal to us what we need to do in our lives and in our calling. And we appreciate so much you taking the time today, Catherine, to discuss through this really unfortunate incident that you turned into a major positive. You certainly have made this life a better place for all of us, and we appreciate the way that the trickle effect of your uh you know exponential impact happens throughout the world just by the good work you do. So thank you for joining me today, and I look forward to keeping in touch.

SPEAKER_01 55:55

Thanks for all you you all do. It's it's a big deal creating a product. So thank you.

SPEAKER_00 56:01

Well, thank you, and thank you for joining us on the Pulse Feet podcast brought to you by Cardio Miracle, and uh I'm Jason Hewlett here with Catherine Camp, and we wish you the best in health, and may God bless you always.