The Forgotten Story of Early America (What Was Left Out)

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“Odyssey of Faith: The Colony of Virginia, Jamestown and You” by Chris Evans

In this episode of the PulseBeat Podcast, Rev. Bill Cook sits down with author and historian Chris M. Evans to uncover the true history of Jamestown and the Colony of Virginia. Chris discusses her book Odyssey of Faith: The Colony of Virginia, Jamestown and You, sharing how her journey from homeschooling mom to researcher led her to rediscover America’s early foundations through a providential and biblical lens. The conversation explores key historical figures such as Richard Hakluyt, Captain John Smith, and Pocahontas, and why their stories still matter today.

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Transcript

SPEAKER_00 0:11

Well, ladies and gentlemen, welcome to this edition of America's Black Road Regiment, our podcast. Thank you for joining us today. We're excited to have with us Chris Evans, a good friend for many, many years in our past, in our in our times at Regent University when we were doing homeschooling down there as our kids grew up. We're just so excited to have you, Chris. A great mom, you're an author, and you're you're awakening of Virginians to the true history of Jamestown. We're so glad for that. We're so glad that you're you're turning you're helping people understand the true nature of history in Virginia. So, Chris, thanks for joining us today. Thank you so much for being with us. And uh wanted to ask you to begin with, um uh this lovely book that was illustrated by your son, James. Um what was the inspiration behind writing this for you? What inspired you to write it?

SPEAKER_02 1:03

Um, as you say, I've known you all for many years, and in 1992 I started homeschooling, and I actually um partnered up with uh your dear wife somewhat with that, and uh really wanted to do a good job at uh homeschooling and history being one of my favorite topics. I started um researching. We live we live right here in Virginia, and I started saying to myself, there was um this is not the history that I learned. Things have been changed, left out, and so I began to do my own research, reaching out for historians who who like me believed in a providential view of history and who exhibited a biblical worldview. And I thought those are two components that can help you um search out the truth and and um and discern the truth. So in in all of that search, I started, as I say, meeting meeting people because I had friends that would say to me at the church that we all attended, oh Chris, if you love history this much, you need to meet these people and those people. And so I started collecting um cohorts. And and then um I just I just began to um to collect information and and store it in three ring binders. And um that's that's how I that's how I started. And then I got involved with um Stonebridge School and had a lot of friends there, and I began doing PowerPoint presentations and with uh images that uh images, pictures, um, lines of information, and I had um some homeschool mothers who would come to me after training in this one particular time, especially in 2014, who said, uh, Chris, we love the stories because I'm kind of I'm I'm a storyteller. I like making it real and telling um telling the personal side of it all. Um you don't you don't have any of this written down. You did you're telling it to us. I said, yes, oh you must write it down. Well, that was the beginning of me uh thinking that gee, I never I never thought of myself as an author. I thought of myself as someone who loved our Christian heritage and wanted to preserve the truth. And in that, um, eventually my uh we published my book. I uh first came out in 2017, and then it fell out of print for a while. Here it is. Nice. What is the name of it? Odyssey. Odyssey of Faith, The Colony of Virginia, Jamestown, and because it's written from primary sources and because it's it's made from truth, even though it's distilled down for the understandability of nine, 10, 11-year-olds, still everyone can learn something from it. And there's nothing else like this book. We've done my my research, my well, my writing partner. I I did all the research. My writing partner, um, Max Lyons, and I did um did uh um research on the compute on the computer, you know, Googled um for books like this, and there's there's nothing out there like this written for um for children to understand. And so it it's it's meant to be um an introduction. It's it and I have really developed quite the library of um of old older books and and many resources.

SPEAKER_00 4:56

Um and I have I actually have a fill that book up for us again so we can see it, just see the cover of the book. Just so people can get the title of the book and order possibly order it. Odyssey of Faith.

SPEAKER_02 5:10

Yeah, The Colony of Firinia, Jamestown, and you. And my son did not only the cover but the all the illustrations inside. And there's a a beautiful one of Pocahontas. And what they s what uh Captain John Smith wrote about Pocahontas is that is that God made Pocahontas. And he he believed that providentially. John Captain John Smith was a um was a strong Protestant Christian of the of that time of the English Protestant Reformation. That's one thing that people do not understand about the founding of of Virginia is the key element of the English Protestant Reformation on that journey. People think of the of the English Reformation as just a political move of um Henry VIII, and he had his own personal and political reasons for wanting to separate from England, but God used that in the hearts of the of the pastors uh of the day, leading congregations, and um, and that that is um the the truth of of the reform. Oh yes, and part of that um difference in the English Protestant Reformation from what was happening in in Europe in the Great Reformation is that the the English leaders, the biblical scholars and all, they uh added um biblical uh they added the biblical truth of of government. And uh some people would want to call it politics, but uh the principle of government was something that um that were added in the English Protestant Reformation that wasn't happening in Europe so much. And so that's why we can credit um the pro the um Protestant Christians in England and the Puritans for giving us the government we have is because in their in their view that they they um they gave us our they gave us our roots of liberty. And but it happened right here too in Virginia. Virginia was not left out of that um Protestant explosion. And behind me, I have a map, which is very much behind me, so you can't can't really see it, but I have a map written by uh drawn out by Warren Billings, um that it that shows the expansion of the English from 1607 through 1624, and it's 47 settlements up and down the James River. People want to mention the colony of Jamestown as if nothing happened anywhere else but there. And that that's not true. They began the the Jamestown was the fort, the army fort for protection, and protection from the Spanish from whom they were terrified, but also protection from the Algonquin Indian nation because they were very hostile to the gospel and hostile to the English. You know, they were they were a pagan group and and and they they they had already had bad experiences. Go ahead. Did you want to ask?

SPEAKER_00 8:34

I wanted to ask you, you're doing great.

SPEAKER_01 8:37

Oh, what I wanted to say real quick was that I'm watching this evolution as a mom, right? You started out as a as a mom being curious and you want your children to learn the two. And so that's why you were bringing a lot of this forward, and then of course you expanded it into the the homeschooling where I often wonder today if our children are being fed even the correct um history because so many things have been removed from secular school. Right. So um what you're doing is very admirable. What was some of the shocking things that you discovered when you went down this rabbit trail of Virginia history?

SPEAKER_02 9:17

Well, um a very beautiful thing, actually, it was quite shocking, but also quite beautiful, is I discovered um a man of the of the of the this tutor period, um, and his name is Richard Hacklett. Richard Hacklett was a uh was an orphan, and he was orphaned at the at a very young age, and was um given to his um his cousin, who is also Richard Hacklett. Um, why do we do that to our children? We do that today. We name them after after the um someone in our family. But um so anyway, he was he was uh uh five or six years old. He also had little brothers, and so this older um Hacklett um cousin um took them in and and raised them. They did not have um, they didn't have much money, but God gave Richard Hacklett a brilliant mind. And through the connections of the older cousin, Richard, he was able to um connect him to Queen Elizabeth's um uh scholar scholar um uh let's see uh scholar award. And he was get he was educated by the English crown, by Elizabeth I. And so he grew up um, you know, he grew up in a in a Christian environment. Uh, he became a solid um dedicated Protestant man, and he also traveled back and forth from um the the school in London that he attended and also his um his uncle's home. So I have a a picture here that um my son drew this um rendering of Richard Hackett the elder showing his his uh young charge, the young Richard Hacklett, all of the um all of the people groups that were being discovered around the world and and as a little boy at well he was 14. So uh at this particular point. And these things are quotes that I found. And so he says about himself as a lad of 14. And that he was um he was looking at all the maps in his older cousin's studio, who was um he was a lawyer, he was a map maker, and he was uh saddened by the fact that all these people groups were being located, but they they weren't finding evangelization happening. And so he um he says, and I found it as a quote, he actually said this that um that he that if the Lord allowed him to continue to grow up and to become an educated man, that he wanted to um proactively bring the gospel to these people around the world. Now there was another thing about him, and this was very and this was at the age of 14. At the age of 14, yes, and he had a favorite scripture in Psalms, uh, do believe it was Psalms 107, that um, yes, 107, 23, and 24. And it's and this was his heart as a as a young, young fella that uh, and this is in the Bible, it's Psalms 107. They which go down to the sea in ships and occupy their business and great waters, these see the works of the Lord and his wonders in the deep. And it said, I believe God will use me to cross the ocean to tell these people about Jesus. So that that that is a that's a wonderful, um, a wonderful noble thing for a very young boy. And that this is uh another point that I picked up in reading this that it says um that and occupied their business in Great Waters. The English Prot the Protestant Reformation and even in England with Martin Luther elevated man's labor to vocation, and and one of the scriptures that came out of that was um the workman is worthy of his hire. So it was no longer thought of as uh getting your fingers dirty to actually um create business. It has also been brought down through through the centuries that ministry takes money, and so they the the um the the um Virginia company developed out of the permission granted by the the king to bring people over here. So they had to have money, they had to have money to build the ships, to hire the ship captains, to recruit the people to come. And um, see, um Virginia history has so many puzzle pieces, and it would take so much longer to really give you an understanding. But I I wanted I want to say this one other this one other thing. Then as, and here's another picture. See, this is for little children to get them excited about what they're reading about. This is Richard Hacklett here in the fold of the book, and um, and he is saying, and this was also this was quoted in Richard Hacklett's Discourse on Western planting, published in 1584. So he says to Queen Elizabeth, because he had her ear, she um she liked him and he was part of her council. He was in her special at 14, isn't that just he's a he's a grown man by now. He's a grown man by now. He has become educated and he's in her um in her view. So he says to her to um went to see Queen Elizabeth and and she agreed to the settlement, as he said, we shall by planting in America enlarge the glory of the gospel and provide a safe place to receive people from all parts of the world that are forced to flee for the truth of God's word. Now, is that amazing? I found that one day at work in my office, and I was so excited. I jumped up out of my seat and I ran around the corner to sell to tell my friends Max Lyons, look what I found that is a quote from Richard Hacklett. That is the embryo of our religious liberty in America. And one of the people, I began to do a little more study about what was happening in 1584. Um, one of the people groups that Richard Hacklett would have had in his heart and mind and wanting to fulfill this quote that I just read to you, were the um were the French Huguenots, which were being persecuted beyond belief, beyond of any any group that can um tag onto themselves, we've been persecuted, you know, like in England or whatever, the the uh the the French Huguenots, which meant French Protestants, and they were connected to the Geneva Bible and John Calvin, and they were they were martyred in the streets, and and um it was it was horrific what what happened to them. Um but anyway that that uh and some of them some of those French Huguenots um among many other people, but they are a important um group, um, they they came to um they they uh came to England for safety. And then and then a lot of them came from England over to the colonies and contributed to to the American colonies, the French Huguenots. As I don't know about you, Bill, but I'm getting fed by a by a fire hose.

SPEAKER_01 17:14

No, that's what I mean.

SPEAKER_03 17:17

When Chris got started, she could just go.

SPEAKER_01 17:20

I'm sure that our viewing audience is sitting there going, oh my goodness, how do I learn more about this? So this is just an introduction and all these years of study that you've been doing, correct? And kind of writing. Um, I remember the the despair I felt when they were taking down all of our monuments. I shouldn't say all, that's the incorrect word. They were taking down so many of our monuments during this time of destruction in the United States. And I thought, we need to maintain some type of correct history. Because now you have ChatGPT, you have you know AI, you have all this stuff coming up, you know, and you just wonder if if the truth is going to be told in the future. So what you have put together is really important, I think, for the future. Have it in paper and pen and it's actually available and it's researched. Um, because there's so much misinformation out there, and people are very cautious about it, whether it be right or whether it be wrong. But and so the fact that we have all this research is really, really impressive.

SPEAKER_02 18:18

Oh, thank you. Thank you. And you can get my book on Amazon right now, and you just you just go to Amazon again and type in the title, and it will it will come right up. You can order it. It's only $19.99. And then that's again, just so they know. I'm sorry. The name again?

SPEAKER_00 18:37

Amazon.com.

SPEAKER_02 18:38

Yeah, the name of the Amazon Books, Amazon.com. You go to Amazon Books and you just type in Odyssey of Faith, the colony of Firstia.

SPEAKER_01 18:49

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SPEAKER_00 20:13

Yeah, I wanted to say uh, you know, the last time I had a full physical, the uh doctor came back in and told me, said your blood pressure is uh the blood pressure of a teenager. And I was I was glad to hear that. At seven years old, you're glad to hear that.

SPEAKER_01 20:29

Yeah, you're almost seven years old. Yes, exactly. Thank you for your support. So um, but back to you, Chris. I think you'd really enjoy it.

SPEAKER_00 20:42

Chris, I got a question for you. How does your story compare compare with what kids are taught in public schools today? What are they being told in schools about Jamestown?

SPEAKER_02 20:52

Yeah, they're they're told very little, and they're told that Jamestown is a colony. That's the first misnomer right there. Jamestown was not the colony, it was a settlement within the colony. It was actually the army fort, and people are not not that's not explained to them. And they're taught that um that Captain John Smith was uh a dictator, which is totally the opposite of what was what was true. One little incident about that is that um Captain John Smith was the third president of the council in Virginia. He was the third, and the second the second man was tortured to death by the Indians, and they came to John Smith, all those men came to John Smith unanimously and and recruited him and begged him to run, and then they and then they voted him in as president of of the governing council. There were uh uh there were eleven of them and then the pastor. And you you wouldn't unanimously recruit somebody and then unanimously uh vote them into office if you didn't hold them in um in high esteem, yeah.

unknown 21:59

So

SPEAKER_02 22:00

So um th they're told that um oh yeah well they're told that the in that the Africans who came over in sixteen nineteen on on the two ships uh were were brought in as slaves and that that there is no um there is no historic evidence that that's what happened. They were indentured like everybody else was. They came they they brought those uh 20 and odd, which make there to be uh they always say about 27 of the Africans, and they paid for their um they paid for their uh voyage and their supplies and everything. And so then they asked them to pay them back by um being an indentured to the the farmers there, and they were um they were skilled in what they knew from Africa, you know, and and they helped them and then they um, you know, after seven years or so, they you know were were released out into the colony. And there's more to there's a whole lot more to that story too, but that's one thing that that is emphasized and um and as bad as as bad as it was later on, 16 in the late 1660s is when um slavery was codified into into Virginia law and it was forced on them by Charles II King Charles II. But but it it um up until then it was completely completely open, and there is strong evidence that um many or or an element of those twenty and odd Africans married European women. So um, and you know in England they they did not have slavery up until this point. They had indentured servants for generations. People would indenture their their children to someone wealthy so they could learn a trade, you know, they um or or what you know or the like. They had an indenturism for centuries, but not England didn't have slavery, so it wasn't something that they were looking to um start here, you know. You did have to have some sort of skill to contribute. I like to say it makes people laugh. I like to say James I was not offering Section 8 housing over here. You had to have something to contribute to the the to the colony, you know.

SPEAKER_00 24:35

It's amazing how history gets revised, isn't it, Chris?

unknown 24:38

Yes.

SPEAKER_00 24:39

Tell us a little bit about Reverend Robert Hunt, Captain John Smith, and Pocahontas.

SPEAKER_02 24:44

Well, uh Robert Hunt was actually uh Richard Hacklett's uh friend, and Robert Hunt was an Englishman, and uh I won't I won't um bore you with all the locations where he lived and served, but um but uh Richard Hacklett learned that he just was not going to be able to come to the New World and he had wanted to from the time as it stated in his earlier quote, he he wanted to be the one to come and and lead the group spiritually, and so he um he chose Robert Hunt to come. Robert Hunt was beloved in England and beloved here, and um and he and he died um I think just the next year. They they were getting sick. The water here was bad over there where they were living, and and um, and so he died in the fall of 1608. But there there is even a shrine over there to Robert Hunt that was put there in 1950, 19 uh 56 to commemorate the 350th um anniversary of um he um well he arbitrated every argument. He um he spoke the truth to them in love through God's word, through the the weekly sermons, and I've even known of Anglican of the Anglican schedule being um two sermons a day, you know, a sermon in the morning, a sermon at night. I've I've read about that. And um but but and he took care of every every one of the sick. He just shepherded those people as a father, an older brother. He looked after them. And one of the uh quotes on his shrine is that um that that that all all that what all that happened to him, he never repined. And um that that is a word we don't use any longer, but um he didn't whine about it. And and he figured that it was all uh part of God, you know, what was going on was part of God's will, part of God's will for for him. So um, and and there um I actually had to chuckle when I first moved here in 1986, and and we lived in Virginia Beach, and we went to a church in Virginia Beach, and it I chuckled because every third person that I met in Virginia Beach claimed ancestry back to Robert Hunt. That is how long his beloved memory uh flowed to.

SPEAKER_00 27:26

And um, some research on that and see if I have some ancestry that goes back to I know.

SPEAKER_02 27:32

I have and I have ancestry in Virginia that goes back at least to 1630. And and and um I won't bore you anymore with that, but it's all it's always a fun story for yourself to find out your um ancestry. But um so anyway, so with uh John Smith, he um he had he was quite a colorful character. He was raised in a Puritan village. His father died when he was young, which actually young, like again, 12 or 14, which released him from the um the idea that his father had for him to go toward, you know, his goals, and he was able to go out on adventure on his own. So he uh took books into the forest and taught himself um sword sword play and you know all the things that you would need as a soldier, and became um um a mercenary for for different places. He um he actually in a contest he had to uh he he was forced into this contest, but in this context, he he um killed three Turk three Turks, uh and he was given a uh a shield, you know, uh a coat of arms and given the title captain and uh and his coat of arms, you can look it up, you can you you can Google Captain John Smith's coat of arms, and it has the head of three Turkish soldiers. And they were, you know, that we we call ourselves a China uh uh kinder, gentler nation, a kinder, gentler generation. They were pretty they were pretty rough then. I mean, it's it was how it was. So he came back to um England and was hired by the Virginia Company to bring the the group over here. He actually was thrown overboard at a point because it was a Roman Catholic operated ship. Up the ship was operated by a Roman Catholic captain, Roman Catholic crew. Now everybody in the world thinks that their group is the right group with the right ideas, but back then, if you didn't have their ideas, the person in charge that you're kind of in trouble. So they threw him overboard and he um swam to shore on this island and waited to be picked up by another ship. So he had lots and lots of adventures. Funny enough, people have tried to disclaim a lot of his adventures, but there have been people in recent decades who have been able to retrace some of that and found that he was telling the truth. He just well, he he didn't mind talking about himself. But when he came over here, they were mad at him because he thought that he could uh captain the ship a little better than the guy who was doing it. So they put him in, you know, they they had him in the brig. But um, so when they got here and they opened up the um the the black box on the ship, he had been made a member of the council, so they had to let him go. And that was providential, you know, he providentially was was um given his freedom, and so they the um men wanted him to be their leader, and he would not allow them to build a home for him until all of them had a roof over their head, over their head first. So he had some real benevolence. He also was able, and who knows why? He wasn't that big of a guy, but he had fiery red hair and blue eyes, which meant that he looked very, very different than the Algonquin people. Maybe that was one of the reasons that they who knows, that was might have been one of the reasons why they were um were taken with him a little bit. He had some ins and outs with with them, which I won't I won't turn on the fire hose again right there.

SPEAKER_01 31:35

No, no, I think that's great. People are gonna be encouraged to buy your book. Hey, Bill, I wanted to ask you as you're listening to her, what today are you what are you taking away from that? I mean, I think it's so fascinating, but what is what is hitting you right now?

SPEAKER_03 31:56

Right, what our foundation was, yes.

SPEAKER_00 31:58

From the very earliest days of our nation. Um the Christian heritage is what the foundation of our nation is. And uh I I wanted to ask you, Chris, if you happen uh it's I don't know if it's likely or not, if you happen to have any any sermons that were preached by him.

SPEAKER_02 32:14

Uh Robert Hunt.

SPEAKER_00 32:17

You do you know get my hands on one?

SPEAKER_02 32:20

Yes, yes. I think that's an excellent question, and I don't think so because uh right after they got there, they had a big fire, and Robert Hunt's library was was burned to the ground. So he lost a lot. That was one of the the things for which he didn't repine, he didn't say, I wish I'd never come. He didn't s snivel. He he just went on with um the goodness of God and the the providence of God, which we I don't think we we live with that that well in our in our in ourself, you know.

SPEAKER_00 32:57

I mean he um but um you know I I will I will think about that and see if there's that would be good if you if you we could find something like that maybe back in England because transcripts or yes the sermons that were preached from those eras from that period of history are just phenomenal. And uh it is they didn't the g you know people like Robert Hutton would have gone, wouldn't have said, you know, separation of church and state, you know, I can't talk about this. I can't talk about politics. I'm sure that most of the sermons that were preached from that era really were laced laden with politics, political talk.

SPEAKER_02 33:33

Well they were, yeah. Well, do you you know in Proverbs at the very end, um, like 28 and 29, the beginning of one at the end of the other, it says, when the when the wicked rule, men hide themselves, and when the righteous come to power, men come out of hiding. And so the people back then during that Reformation era, they enjoyed sermons like that because they they they um you know and you know that that's another point about um the integration and the in the English Protestant Reformation they did not see a difference between the sacred and the secular. They believed that God established the ecclesiastical sphere or the church sphere, and God established also the civil sphere, and expected us to hold the civil sphere accountable. And that was what those election sermons that Reverend Bill Cook talks about were all about was that the church was responsible to hold the civil um accountable and it was considered um an you know an integrated part of life and um and and both important when when um well um let's see so when they met for their council meetings, they met, uh God forbid, in their church building because when the English moved somewhere the church was what they built first. And they and and they met there in their public meetings, they met in in the church. They had no compunction of um you know it being not being that it not being sacred enough, you know.

SPEAKER_00 35:19

Yeah, we see that we see the decay of of conscience in our nation today that's so so pervasive and it's so dis disheartening and discouraging, so troubling. And um but that wasn't the way things always were. Um you know, if if we still had pulpits that were that you know, I'm reading something earlier about and we know that he wasn't a pure a Puritan this that they weren't the Puritans that came to Jamestown, but John Winkey Thornton in the nineteenth century wrote his story and he wrote that to the pulp pulpit, the Puritan pulpit, we owe the moral force that won our independence. It's that's what an historian said. They understood that the pulpit was was was seminal to the founding of the nation, to the to the foundations of our culture. And we need to get back to that. We need to recover that that uh understanding that the pulpit is seminal to recovering the blessings of liberty.

SPEAKER_02 36:15

Um that's right. But now I um I I have read though that there are many, many of the pastors that were here in and they called them presbyters, that were here in the 17th century were Puritan. They um they they all used the Geneva Bible, and that's what the pilgrims um I believe it, you know, talked about. And um to mention Pocahontas, she um loved well, she had a real affinity for the English from the beginning. And she was about 11 when she first met them and started coming, and she had a uh a real uh tender heart toward the fact they were they were starving and she brought them food. And um, you know, that that's one another thing that was said about the English is that they were lazy. Well, um, you know, John Eidsmo has written wonderfully about this, that uh um that they were taught one thing. They were that you know, they were kind of Johnny One Note in their in their teaching. Um warriors, soldiers were not taught to garden. There were things that they just um just didn't know and and weren't as as prepared for. And also, they came here right in the middle of an 11-year drought that was actually an 800-year severity of drought. Wow. And that has been found in the cypress trees that um you can't touch a cypress tree now, but were that when they cut them down and they looked at the rings, they could see where there was absolutely zero gross. There was a thickening there, there was no growth there, and they could tell that there was no water there and that they had been there in a drought. So Pocahontas, and I I think I already mentioned that that John Smith said God made Pocahontas. In other words, God providentially prepared her. And then, of course, um more things happen in her life, uh, which I I wrote about a lot of this in this in this book, and she eventually um comes to know the Lord Jesus. That's another thing that they say in um in um this other literature that you will find in other in other classrooms and other places is that she was um forced into the life with the um with the uh English, and that she was uh that it was an arranged marriage, and she was forced to marry uh John Roth. And um, you know, uh we all know as Christians that the um salvation is a work of the Holy Spirit, and you you know you don't you don't really fake that. And uh you can look it up. It's on my website. My website is his story, that's history with two S. Okay. His story Fajnia, 1607. And I and of course it's dot com. And I have on there, it's called uh Letter from a Gentleman, 1614, and it's the letter that um John Rolfe wrote to Sir Thomas Dale asking for Pocahontas' hand in marriage. That would be because she was the daughter of a national leader, and he um and he was um a hardworking uh middling class, you know, so he really didn't have the station to just um walk into the woods and ask Pocahontas to marry him. And it it is an absolutely beautiful uh letter, and I have I have um a page and a half. I'm kind of proud of of this work I did. I have about a page and a half. You're stoking. That's amazing. Pardon me? That's amazing.

SPEAKER_00 40:15

I should be proud of it.

SPEAKER_01 40:16

And you should be proud of it.

SPEAKER_00 40:17

You know, Chris, I'm seeing I'm sitting here listening to you and I'm realizing what a wealth of history you are. You're not you're talking about Jamestown, but you you know so much about history from a broader perspective. I think you've got a second book in you.

SPEAKER_02 40:32

Oh, yes, absolutely. I do, I do. That the um the kent the uh preschool through second grade version of this book is coming out hopefully in time for Christmas gift giving. I'm not 100% sure, but um, it is written in Dr. Zeus verse style, and it's a picture book, and so I've got that one, but I also have been working on it it, you know, so I'm um I've become I was I was just kind of a a nobody. I was a real political junkie and did a lot of lobbying and letter writing and things like that. Never saw myself as um as an author, and now I'm an author and a book publisher because I'm publishing two books right now, but um I'm also um working on, and this is this has really taken up a lot of time, so I haven't been able to get back to my curriculum, but I'm writing lesson plans for um, you know, older children, which will certainly be um interesting adults, and I just have to I have to have time to get back to that. But uh look up the um John Ross letter, six it's a letter from a gentleman, 1614. You can even Google it and and get it and I condensed it down to fit at the bottom at the bottom of this page right here.

SPEAKER_01 41:49

Nice. Okay. And that's uh I don't know about you, Bill. You know, we could probably go on for another hour, but I just want to make sure people can have access to your book with the holidays coming up, and how we can help in a lot of I would say, you know, when I go to speak places around the country in different places, and I will be doing that coming up in the future.

SPEAKER_00 42:08

I would love to take your book and make it.

SPEAKER_02 42:14

I would love for you to do that.

SPEAKER_00 42:16

This is uh, you know, when you disconnect the people from their history, basically they become fodder for tyranny. It's so imperative that especially in this nation, that Americans reconnect with their true history. It's the most amazing history of the founding of a nation and existence. Yes. It really is. Maybe maybe um maybe I I actually think the founding of America is more is more significant than the founding of Israel as a nation. Israel was amazing. Miracles, Red Sea open, but America is just as miraculous, and and people need to understand how special this country is.

SPEAKER_02 42:50

Well, that's true. We we are the bride of Christ, the church is the bride of Christ.

SPEAKER_01 42:55

So well, you know what? The truth is coming out with this administration, and things are being revealed that weren't be real be revealed before. Uh, we want to have you back, Chris. Thanks. I would love if we can delve into even more. And Bill, thank you so much. This has been so great. Um, I look forward to learning more. It's been a pleasure, Chris. Gosh.

SPEAKER_02 43:16

I didn't hear that, Bill. I'm sorry. What was that last year?

SPEAKER_00 43:19

It's been my honor. It's been a pleasure to have you.

SPEAKER_02 43:22

My goodness, thank you. I was honored to be asked. I was thrilled to be here. And um, it's always a little, a little unnerving to step in front of the the camera, but um You know your craft, that's the thing.

SPEAKER_01 43:35

You know your substance. That's very important. We can glean from that. So thank you so much.

SPEAKER_02 43:42

Well, just don't forget Odyssey of Faith on Amazon Book, and they'll send it right to your door. And Bill, you and I'll have to get together on uh how you can take this with you.

SPEAKER_00 43:52

Yeah, for sure. And for for those other listeners on this on the show today, please check us. on our website, America's Black Road Regiment at Br R USA.org where you can donate and support our efforts around the uh take to take this message of the pulpit and what it did around America.

SPEAKER_01 44:13

And there's also a link there where you can order and purchase and start to becoming the new you getting into going into 2026 with Cardi Miracle. Right. It really does just skip back in your step. So God bless you everybody. Thank you so much for being on our podcast. God bless you and thank you all