Why Preventative Medicine Matters More Than You Think w/ Dr. Ford Brewer

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In this conversation, Dr. Ford Brewer explains why preventative medicine is critical, focusing on nitric oxide and its impact on heart health. He breaks down the rise of metabolic diseases, how diet and lifestyle drive poor outcomes, and why education in healthcare is falling behind. Dr. Brewer clarifies common health myths, highlights the value of telemedicine for patient empowerment, and discusses how peptides may support weight management. The episode ends with a clear message: individuals have more control over their health than they realize.

00:00 Introduction to Preventative Medicine and Nitric Oxide
07:00 The Importance of Education in Health
13:53 Understanding Metabolic Disease and Its Causes
20:03 Debunking Common Health Myths
28:05 The Role of Diet in Health and Disease
35:08 Telemedicine and Patient Empowerment
38:59 The Impact of Peptides on Weight Management
46:01 Final Thoughts on Health and Prevention

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Transcript

SPEAKER_01 0:11

Hello, everybody. Thank you so much for joining us on another Pulse Beat episode sponsored by Cardio Miracle. We are so honored and excited to have Dr. Ford Brewer with us today. And uh he is a leading expert in prevention, uh preventative medicine and heart health. Very excited to talk to him today and um get educated on more on nitric oxide and and other things that we can talk about. So, Ford, how are you doing today? I'm great, Josh. Thanks for having me. Fantastic. Yeah, thank you so much for being on here today. We are so excited to pick your brain and geek out, as you said to me offline a little bit, which is uh is exciting for me because there is not a lack of uh education that any of us can have, especially on nitric oxide. And um, you know, out there in the world right now, we know of over 250,000 studies that have been um performed on nitric oxide. And so would love to kind of dive into that first and foremost with you and uh find out if you could um just how that has impacted uh your education throughout the years and how you've seen that um kind of evolve in your in your practice.

SPEAKER_00 1:34

Well, thanks, Josh. I'll I'll take that last. There's a lot of questions to unpack there. I'll take the last one first in terms of my own background. Um I'm a physician. I started in medicine. I I got involved early in med school. And uh one thing that surprised and frustrated me was that the doctors, the medical students, all seemed to be focused on themselves and basically uh making money and doing more um uh healing, trying to heal people after things, after damage was already done. I was very young and naive, but it really was very clear that you're better off not doing the damage in the first place. But there seemed to be so little focus on that. Um I enjoyed things like uh neurosurgery, uh thoracic surgery. I was very interested in those because you go in thinking like that's the ultimate. At the end of the day, it's so I'll just use the word pathetic. You know, so many neurosurgeons get very um disappointed. There's a guy that went viral on TikTok, uh, Scooby and Doobie or something like that, a neurosurgeon that suffered this same problem. Great academician, great scientist, great, uh, very good at learning what he needed to learn. But then once he got there, he realized what neurosurgeons often realize. There's really one or two times, which are fairly rare, that as a neurosurgeon, I get a chance to actually change a life in a big way. Most of the time it's just throwing good resource after bad. It's just helping people maybe take care of a problem before they die, or just really, really bad uh bad juju, bad uh bad place to be. Keep them comfortable, right? Yeah, and right, making them comfortable and them and their and easier to care for by their family as they die. It's again an awful place. So then you go to thoracic surgeons. Uh I've got uh there's a friend of mine who has said the same thing and written a book about it, get off my operating table or stay off of my operating table. And uh I'm blanking on his name right now. He's uh uh I'll maybe I'll remember it a little bit later in the discussion, but again, it's the same thing. People eat the wrong foods, they do the wrong things in terms of their body, and then they hope that a surgery is going to fix their problem. Now, as a young person, there were two things that I really, really did not want to do. One of them was to be a teacher, because I I obviously did well in school, but I don't know if you remember the the old Charlie Brown cartoons where that was my version of a teacher. So I didn't want to do that. And the other thing that I didn't want to do was be a bean counter, you know, one of the guys with uh a pocket protector and and green eye shades and counting money, uh, or at least counting anything. And what I ended up finding was if I ended up going into prevention, if I ended up doing what patients actually needed, I ended up having to become a teacher, but base that teaching on bean counting, not mut not counting money, but counting something else. What causes someone to be susceptible to a disease? What makes a disease travel through a population? And I'll I'll jump ahead and foreshadow something that uh that uh uh most of us know. It's like, for example, currently 80% of the U.S. population still eats cold cereal for breakfast. And I hope I'm not trampling on on your favorite meal, but that meal has probably killed and dis and maimed and disabled more people than uh any of the wars that we have uh uh that we have information on. Why? Because it's stuffing your body full of uh very uh uh very dense carbohydrates, uh things that raise your blood sugar fast and keep it up for a very long time.

SPEAKER_01 6:37

Yeah, mean the machine, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 6:39

So yeah. So to to go a little bit deeper into the science and prevention, you guys are trying to work on helping nitric oxide through a supplement. You're you're adding uh citrulline, you're adding arginine. And so, first of all, why do you want why do you want to add nitric oxide? It's like a warm bath for your arteries. If you look at my channel, it's uh because of the technical aspects that I go into, looking at arteries specifically, look at our looking at arterial health. Um we get way deep into that. In fact, I I don't know if you know the name, Dr. No, Lou Ignaro, one of the I had him on the channel once, uh delightful guy. And he he and I talked about citrulline supplementation, and he talks about the fact that yes, he takes it as well. And I believe he's taking both L-citrulline and Citrulline malate. Now, um, at the end of the day, uh uh why did why did I go from uh a professor or someone teaching at Hopkins into doing this? And why did I go from the perspective of saying early on, my perspective was, you know, supplements are really expensive urine, and that's about it. Um once I got onto YouTube, I I got to YouTube because of the the desire to get more people aware of this message. Um, more people are dying from, like I said, eating bad food and poorer health habits than anything else, and more people are being disabled by it. Back in about a decade, oh well a couple of decades ago, it became clear to me that social media now had a platform where they would actually find people that were interested. Uh prior to that, yeah, you could shout it from the mountaintops, but nobody cared. And that was the issue with prevention.

SPEAKER_01 8:55

Truth. Yeah, you mentioned Dr. Louis Ignaro, and and his book, No More Heart Disease, is actually um with in our company. It's like our Bible, you know. Um, and I found the stay off my operating table. Is that uh Philip Albadia? Yeah. Okay.

SPEAKER_00 9:13

Phil I have him come speak to a couple of my events.

SPEAKER_01 9:18

That's awesome. Yeah, it looks like an interesting book. But yes, the nitric the no more heart disease, like these books that have come out and the information on nitric oxide and citrulline and allerginine and everything is so fascinating that it is the best kept secret, I think. I mean, the discovery of nitric oxide won the Nobel Prize in Medicine in 1998. It's I think it's way harder to win the Nobel Prize in Medicine than it is the Nobel Prize, but it seems like they give out like candy sometimes, you know. So it's it's a tough one. But uh Ford, when you on your on your front page of your website, you talk about how you uncover these hidden hearth secrets and and how have you been able to kind of skirt the line of of being in the medical field and not being completely silenced while you're uncovering these things for for people.

SPEAKER_00 10:18

Um I do get some active and aggressive pushback, but the reality of the situation is much more an issue of um just benign neglect. And what I mean by that is if you look at the way insurance is set up, it's uh it's got it brings a lot of advantages. You know, people are able to get health care that uh in many cases they could otherwise not afford. But the but insurance brings with it a lot of problems. One of the problems is that uh the most if the most effective thing is education, then how does insurance pay for a doctor or the doctor's staff to educate a patient? They don't. They can't. That's the problem. So because insurance can't say, I don't know whether you've effectively educated this patient or not, they just give up on that. And what they do uh pay the doctor for is writing a script because that's something objective. They've seen, you know, they've seen evidence that the prescription was written. Or doing a surgery, placing a stint. You know, all of those things are things that are quote, objective, and therefore you sh can and should pay for. The things that really matter, teaching, as I discussed in the very beginning, you know, still if somebody wants to hear it or not, they need to hear it. And so that's one of the major challenges that I have. I've got YouTube finding an audience for me that's interested in the topic, but I also have to work on making it interesting. In an insurance environment, there's no place for any of that. It's all what will the insurance company pay for? And they will not pay for any kind of education. They will pay for prescriptions, they will pay for uh procedures. And so that's what you get in the standard medical arena. I'm fortunate because of my training at Hopkins in preventive medicine. You know, I made a I worked, I started off working as in as an ER doc in the emergency department because it was a great place to just park for a couple of years to figure out what I wanted to do. How was I going to get into prevention because you just didn't get paid for it? Right. Um I was in the ER, I remember I was in the ER and I was seeing my umpteenth 50-something-year-old man with a heart attack. And it's like, you know, in our world, one of the major things, if there was one thing I could change, it would be the expectation that we get into our 60s and we could have a heart attack. And that's just the way reality is. That's not the way reality needs to be. We don't have to be able, uh we don't have to get used to the idea. That's not reality, that you get into your 60s and you have a heart attack, or you're at risk for it. Um, but it's still uh despite all of my uh my ranting and raving from the hilltop, most people still think that's the case. It's not anymore. That day in the ER, I said, you know what? If this is about me, I'll continue to do ER work or I'll go back and get more training and procedures. But if this is about patients, I need to learn how to teach. And I need to learn how to um to communicate to patients what causes their diseases and how uh how to avoid that. Now, there wasn't YouTube at that point in time. Um I'm old, I'm 68. We like to say that I went to school with a fellow named Hippocrates, but not quite that old. So this was about 40 years ago, over 40 years ago, when I had that epiphany and said that that moment of truth and said, you know what? Uh no matter what, this is not about my career. This is about helping people. And since it's about helping people, I'm gonna commit to prevention and I'll get, you know, I'll take that wherever it takes me. I went to Hopkins, started training in it, absolutely loved it, despite having run from it for years because couldn't find anything worthwhile. I loved it. At Hopkins, they talk about being denominator medicine, and that's a little bit geeky, but what they're talking about is looking at the entire population and using statistics and using science to figure out what's really causing this problem. And sometimes coming up with some surprising um answers. One of those surprising answers that's occurring right now in my space is that with we, the medical medical community, has always thought that LDL, quote, bad cholesterol, was the cause, the biggest cause of this problem. Yes, they knew about we all knew about smoking. Yes, we all knew about full-blown diabetes. But a couple of interesting things have happened. Uh smoking, still, hands down, it's radioactive for your arteries. Um both in terms of diabetes and in terms of quote, bad cholesterol, we got a couple of big surprises happening right now. Uh one of them is diabetes is far more common than we ever thought. We used to think that uh, and you'll see it in some of the old, if you can find old CDC statements, they used to say a third of 60-year-olds have diabetes or prediabetes. Things have changed, both in terms of our awareness and in terms of the prevalence or how common this is. At this point in time, at the last NHANES National Health and Nutrition Examination Survey, it's part of the U.S. Census where they actually do lab tests. They found that starting at age 18, not age 60, the prevalence or how common it was was over 50%, 52% specifically, starting at age 18, not 60. So there's a lot more diabetes, prediabetes, metabolic disease than we ever knew was going on back in my day at Hopkins for 40 years ago. The other thing that's coming up that's a big interest point and a big surprise point for a lot of doctors. And in fact, I would say 98, 99% of them still are not even aware of it, or if they're aware of it, they're just not accepting it yet. And that is, it's appearing that maybe LDL is really not the problem that we thought it was. And it boils down to an issue of causality versus correlation. For the vast majority of people, as they begin to get into this, their metabolic disease, their diabetes or prediabetes, as it begins to get worse, their LDL starts to creep up. So we've always looked at that in the medical community and said, oh, well, you know what? There's such a correlation here. LDL must cause heart attacks, vascular disease, heart attacks and strokes, blindness, kidney disease. And now there's a new group of people, and it's happened because of the popularity of the uh the low-carb diet, where you're beginning to see these people whose LDL shoots up 180, 250, 350, 450, 550, and higher, and yet they're not forming plaque. So we got a lot of interesting things going on in the prevention space. But if you go back to nitric oxide, again, there's some basic science there that's not changing. Um, and that you and I may want to talk a little bit more about.

SPEAKER_01 19:15

Yeah. Well, it's fabulous, and I love this so much. And I and I I I was I was almost hesitant to go here with you because you started talking about the low-carb diets and stuff happening. And, you know, for me, one of the biggest lies that I grew up um learning was that breakfast was the most important meal of the day. And now I intermittent fast till you know like 2 p.m. sometimes, 1 p.m. in the afternoon. And um, but the way that I lost 180 pounds initially was through the keto diet, and I was in ketosis for two years. And so congratulations. Hey, thank you. But I, you know, I was a strongman competitor, I was flipping telephone poles, lifting cars, and that was cool in my 20s, but now in my 40s, it's not, you know, people don't care. People are just like, you're just a load, you know, that's eating a lot. So I I really wanted to take my health into my own hands. And so I would ask you, Ford, what what is one of the biggest lies that you've seen uh or you've heard throughout the years um in your in your quest for this prevention?

SPEAKER_00 20:24

Well, uh, given the conversation that we've already had, uh, you know, there's a whole bunch of lies. For example, uh stress tests will predict heart attacks. For example, stents will prevent prevent heart attacks. Both of those are lies. Sometimes they're uh lie implies something that was told on purpose. I think the vast majority of um stress tests and stints are not told not told as lies on purpose to deceive people. I think the people that are talking about it are true believers. Um the maybe the lie that you um one of the lies that you might be referring to is that um Tony the Tiger or Cheerios is the great way to start your day. Exactly. And unfortunately, those are on purpose. You know, we got a lot of I'm a I've always been a capitalist, um except in terms of science and um and health care. Uh capitalism, I'm still a capitalist. I I'm I I think I always will be, but capitalism sets us up in a place where we have to manage some things. Uh the folks that own Tony the Tiger and Cheerios make money by getting people to eat cereal for breakfast, eat uh major doses of Of very glycemic carbs. Glycemic meaning carbs that will raise your blood sugar. There are some carbs that don't. Fiber, for example, is technically a carb, but it doesn't raise your blood sugar. So that lie goes into a lot of places and has a lot of arms and legs. For example, I just had Nina Tycholtz on the show a few weeks ago. She's an investigative journalist looking at food policy. And the question she and I were talking about is why is the government recommending that we eat grain products? And some of that maybe lies on purpose. Some of that maybe lies fueled by um big food uh wanting to make money off of uh carb-related foods. Um and you say, well, well, I'll just leave it at that. Uh if you want to go further, we can.

SPEAKER_01 23:07

Yeah. Smart. Well, I, you know, I I recently had a conversation with uh Robert Lufkin, um, MD, and he he wrote a book called Lies I Taught in Medical School. And I I don't, you know, I don't believe that any of us are maliciously trying to tell lies, you know, it's just whatever works for me, you know, might not work for somebody else, kind of thing. And and they some of the can say I lied about, you know, uh the whole keto diet and whatnot. So um if if we do shift gears a little bit, what are your thoughts about intermittent fasting and low carb diets and things? Do you have like a uh hard stance on that? Or are you?

SPEAKER_00 23:48

So I um I know Robert uh not that well. I've talked with him a couple of times, uh, and I've seen seen him on your show. Uh yes, I I think lies in the sense of the the term the way Robert uses it. Now, um, and Ken Berry uses it sometimes in a similar fashion, sometimes with a little bit more uh dark shade to it. Uh but it's a very common term, especially on YouTube. Uh Ken's book was Lies My Doctor Told Me. So um to your point, in the beginning, uh before I got too deep into this, um I was concerned about the keto diet as well. The deeper I've I've gotten, the less the more concerned I have about people that are not on a low-carb diet. I clearly recommend a low-carb diet. And uh that can go from many different places to a very, very mild low-carb diet, uh, 100 grams of carbs or less per day, to more of a very low carb, uh, 50 or less or 20 or less, to more of the classic keto, which is uh more of a uh high-fat low carb diet. Uh I would much rather uh the vast majority of my patients are on these, uh, vast majority as in over 95%. Um and that goes not just um, you know, people assume that that a lot of people assume that that's just animal uh products. I've got a lot of um of carnivores. I've got a lot of cuterivores in my practice, but I also have uh vegetarians and and vegans. And it's very interesting to talk to some of my patients because some of them have flipped-flopped many times between uh pure vegan on one end of the scale and pure carnivore or even lion diet on the other. And it's interesting to talk to these people. It's it reminds me of a conversation that I had with Robert Lustig, also a physician, uh, also deep into um diet and health. He ran the uh obesity unit at UC San Francisco, um also way deep into low-carb diet. His perspective, and I think it's exactly right, it's mine as well. You can have a healthy diet on um keto, carnivore, lion, uh paleo um vegetarian, vegan, all except for one diet, and that's the standard American diet. And the problem with the standard American diet is it pairs uh fats with these major sources of extremely glycemic, and uh pardon me for using that term again, but again, something that raises your blood sugar, glyce, uh glyce meaning glucose, and emic meaning in the blood. So it raises your uh the glucose in your blood, putting that together with high sources of calories like fats. And when you when you raise your blood sugar, your insulin goes up. When you raise your insulin, it is uh difficult for your body to burn fat. Uh most of us uh our met our metabolism was built to burn more on fat than uh than carbs. It burns both, uh, and it's very good at switching back and forth until we start to get metabolic disease. Metabolic disease starts with our insulin receptors. They become less and less receptive to insulin. Now, what is an insulin receptor and what's insulin? An insulin receptor is a part of your body which takes your the glucose out of your blood where it can cause damage and puts it into the the cell, the liver or the or the muscle cell where it's safe and it's not going to cause damage anymore.

SPEAKER_01 28:14

Wow. Can you can you kind of dive in a little bit your international telemed practice and how is there are you noticing a big difference between your patients in America and your patients internationally? Is there a big divide or is it pretty common uh done denominators that you're seeing as far as seeing more common denominators than you might think.

SPEAKER_00 28:40

You know, I worked, I was senior management at Toyota for a decade, and it was interesting. People used to talk about uh Japanese staying thin, and they did, but they're starting to have more problems too, even the Japanese. You look at other Asian uh cultures, again, starting to have more problems from an epidemiologist perspective, looking across the world at how diseases spread, as we've gone from what used to be called uh third world or poorer country status, uh poorer economies into where more and more countries are getting wealthy. This this wealthy way of eating uh and i i is going along with that wealth, and it's taking the um the obesity and the insulin resistance along with it. And heart attacks, therefore heart attacks, strokes, you name it.

SPEAKER_01 29:45

Wow. Well, I I love how you say you you geek out, so to speak, and you you weren't into like the pocket protectors and stuff. I mean, you've got you've got a lot of style, if I may say so, you know, and you make it look good. And so with your personal regimen, like what are you doing in your personal life for for like a diet and exercise? What what kind of routine do you follow?

SPEAKER_00 30:09

Well, a couple of things to note. Uh uh I I spend all day uh every day working with people who have metabolic disease. Um there are three who have heart attack and stroke risk and helping them back away from that. Um I've mentioned insulin resistance, prediabetes, metabolic disease a couple of times. Those are all the same thing. It's an inability to burn our fuels. Our two major fuels are carbs and fats. We start with an inability to burn carbs as we age into it. And again, as I mentioned earlier, people are starting to age into it at age 18 now. That is because of the obesity epidemic, and again, that's because of the habits and accessibility of uh fattening foods like the breakfast cereals that I've hammered on a few times. The major three causes are uh age, genetics, and um obesity. So obesity is increasing dramatically. Believe it or not, of the three, age is the biggest driver. So we'll see a lot of young people that are obese but still healthy, but then they start aging into it. And and you discussed some of your own history. I think that's some of what happens. You start uh young young people may uh be able to be healthy at a high uh at a heavier weight, but then as they age begin to age into it, they're aging into prediabetes, metabolic disease. I mentioned something about the science behind this. As you get less and less able to uh burn carbs, that insulin goes up because you're there are sensors in your brain that say, hey, are the sugar's going up, so we need to put out more insulin. One thing I didn't mention, or maybe mentioned briefly, is that the higher your insulin goes, the harder it is to burn fat. So what starts out as a as a problem burning carbs, one of your two major fuels, very quickly, as and immediately becomes a problem burning both of your fuels, um fat and carbs. Now, what does that got to do with your question? You know, what do you do for it? Basically, I help people understand that. I I go into a thing called test, don't guess. In other words, we show people what their metabolism is doing. We show them how well they're um metabolizing carbs, how well they're metabolizing fat, how much, and as I mentioned earlier, how much that that's impacting their LDL, that bad cholesterol. And we talk, I get a lot of people that come in that are actually metabolically healthy, but they have really high bad cholesterol, those groups. Most people uh who have climbing LDL don't have it for that reason. They have it for a reason where they're aging into metabolic disease. So they begin to recognize that with me. And I help them look inside their body. Their body's not going to lie to them. So we characterize, we take images of the plaque that if they have plaque in their arteries. We look to see if it's unstable. Um, and we go through the things that cure this problem. You're in the supplements industry. Uh I've recently started providing supplements as well, but again, supplements fill a place, they're not the primary uh the primary change. The primary change is lifestyle. We can take all the right supplements we want, but if we're eating two bowls of Cheerios every morning, it's gonna burn right through it like that. It's all about helping people understand. Uh number one, finding the people that are interested to hear and and actually motivated to change, which YouTube is very good at helping me do that. Then uh taking those people that are motivated to learn and to change and helping them accomplish that. So we get credit uh from our viewers every day that we're saving lives. And it's I like to play golf, I like to to travel, and again, at my age, I've retired a few times, but there's there's nothing like uh somebody thanking you for uh helping them save their life. They do the work, but uh we just help.

SPEAKER_01 34:47

Of course. No, I love I love the action that you it's like almost required that people take. Um, you know, like I go on your website and I look at I try to view your services and kind of see what you guys do, and you have you you have to fill out a form so that you guys can most likely, I'm guessing, kind of have a conversation with someone to to figure out where they're probably at, where their starting point is, and then you kind of go from there. So is there is there like some you can give us a little sneak peek on what you guys do offer on your services?

SPEAKER_00 35:22

Sure. So what I can do, uh Jesus can give you uh some of uh like a web link for people to access our services. Basically, um from the very beginning, it it was YouTube content, free content out there for anybody that wanted it. About concepts like where you and I have been talking about today. Um that was well received. Uh then a lot of people from YouTube started saying, hey, do you still see patients? And I was at that point in time. I just decided to switch and uh start seeing patients from YouTube. In my career, I've been a uh because of my population focus and prevention focus, I've been a serial CMO, uh chief medical officer. And I've been the chief medical officer for a couple of companies that are way deep into telemedicine. For example, MD Life. Uh so I have licenses in all 50 states. Uh I can, as part of doing this work with patients, and we have patients from all 50 states, uh, we actually do real medicine. We're one of those few YouTube providers that can actually see patients and provide real medicine as opposed to just doing education with folks. Uh that's been the core of what we do. Um we also provide um, as I mentioned earlier, supplements. We're getting ready to roll out an interesting thing that I'm very excited about. It's a digital twin. So, you know, these companies, um, I'm can't I can't remember the name of it. One of them is a leader in this space, um, providing labs. So instead of just providing labs, which we're still be rolling out in January, we're we'll be providing labs as well as a digital twin. So the kind of guys that that uh tend to look at our channel are people that already have problems. They've acknowledged it, they've had a positive calcium score, uh, seen that they have plaque and they want to understand it better. And um 90, 95% of them are not getting the answers that they need from their local doc. They know they're not. They know enough about it. They start talking about diabetes or A1C, and the doc's eyes just glaze over. And the doc sees them, tests for LDL, writes a script, tells them to take LDL, and walks out of the room. And they know there's a lot more to it. We get a lot of geeks, a lot of engineers. When I was at Toyota, they said, Yeah, we know you're a doc, we know you're a good one, but you're really an engineer. That's that's your your DNA, that's the way your brain works. Um, so that's why it works well here at Toyota. And so what we do is we're providing uh a lot of resources now for almost a DIY, do-it-yourself uh approach to medicine. I don't agree with DIY. This is not like an airplane model or an old antique car, you shouldn't take that kind of risk. However, uh the science is crystal clear, as well as the practice, the evidence, that when someone takes initiative in their own medical care and stops just relying on the doc to know what to do in a paternalistic type of environment, their outcomes improve dramatically. And so that's what I'm I'm there doing. We're helping people begin to understand what is actually going on with chronic disease, what's actually uh creating risk for them for death and disability, and how to take that risk off the table.

SPEAKER_01 39:26

That's fantastic. So it do you do you have do you have a positive or negative feeling on all the peptides going around these days? Are you guys endorsing those or some of them?

SPEAKER_00 39:37

Yeah you may most people are not aware of this, but uh the glyp 1s, ozimpic, um semaglitide or semaglutide, depending on how you pronounce it, uh terzeptide, mangero, all of those are actually um peptides as well. They don't know uh a lot of people don't know that, but it they're peptides and they function like a peptide. A peptide is a portion of a protein chain, an amino acid chain, that actually um impacts uh receptors for hormonal activities. And hormones have a big impact on eating behavior. They have a big impact on behavior, period. If you don't believe it, you should try raising a teenager. They also impact human eating behavior and they have revolutionized weight management. I used to have people come in all the time, still do, that have lost 30 pounds, 50 pounds, 150 pounds. And yours was 180, was that right? 160? No, 180 initially, but now I'm down 200 fully. Wow. Fantastic and obviously life-saving because of the connection that we talked about with body fat and and um uh and diabetes and this and this vascular problem. So you've saved your own life. And I and I'll routinely get patients that have come in and they've um they've done that. Uh in prior to the uh Ozympic terzepatide Mongero days, I would ask them, you know, I I I well, I always ask them how they lost their weight. And prior to those days, I would get the same answer. Well, first of all, I dropped my carbs. And then second, the most the second uh step number two, the most common was I started doing intermittent fasting. Something else you brought up earlier in this discussion. Yes, sir. These days, the majority of time they've started using the peptides that we know as glyph points. By the way, Osempic and Mongero.

SPEAKER_01 41:54

Right. Big, big deal. And that's uh, you know, I started this in 2021, and so yeah, I've gone, uh I counted yesterday actually, with Google's help, uh 1,264 days uh where I've walked 12,500 steps. I haven't missed a day. And so me, it's been walking and jogging, and and then it was keto to do 180 pounds, and then it's been big time intermittent fasting to get the remaining uh 20 to get the 200, and now I'm even trying to get down to 250 is my end goal. So right now I'm sitting around 280, and um I started at 480, so I was almost 500 pounds, but I I can't do a shot every day. Like I'm not I'm not a shot guy, I I don't do that stuff, but but it's for me, it's and the cardiomyrical has really been a staple because it helps me recover the nitric oxide, helps me recover so I can go in and do it again every day and uh lift weights. I'm a big weight lifter, and um I've I've traded deadlifting cars to now just deadlifting uh heavy circles, you know. So um I do a little weight training and it's fun. But yeah, the that's why I was interested in the in what your feeling was on the peptides. I don't I don't, you know, disagree with them if everyone's got their own way of doing things, but I don't want to be desensitized in a way, um you know, because I feel like from people I've spoken to that are on those kind of uh peptides that they get desensitized from wanting to eat or wanting to even have any kind of physical attraction or anything like it's been it's been kind of wild that way. So um that's why I like that uh whole fruits and vegetables and Cardian miracle help me to stay a little balanced, you know.

SPEAKER_00 43:50

So do you mind if I well, uh I don't even have to make a suggestion, you're already doing it. One of the key things, whether people no matter how how people are losing weight. You brought it up. There's this there has been this major bugaboo about l muscle loss when using those um uh those drugs that we're just talk we just talked about.

SPEAKER_01 44:14

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 44:15

You know, you don't have to use those drugs to have major muscle loss when you lose weight. And you know this with your experience. You cannot stop the resistance training. If you do, you will lose your muscle mass. And for people that have lost 30 or 40 pounds, they get a real gut level understanding of this when you go out and you do, you do some rucking. You carry 40 or 50 pounds on your back for an hour or two, then you take that off. You realize what you feel in your legs and your back at that point. Oh, you know what? If I lost 50 pounds of fat and I didn't do resistance training, I'm going to lose so much muscle in my legs and my back and hips. So you really, really have to continue to stimulate that muscle. In fact if you look at one of the studies that was done at uh Mayo in Minnesota over 10 years ago they actually did mitochondrial muscle biopsies. And one of the things they found is yeah walking's good for you but uh it's not nearly as good as two other things resistance training and especially HIT high intensity training. So um those are a couple of things that I'm often teaching my patients and teaching on the channel as well.

SPEAKER_01 45:45

Love it. Love it can can you let it yeah and I was going to say as I've lost the weight I do I have increasingly put you know more weight on my weight vest and so right now I'm at a I have an 80 pound weight vest that I jog with I jog five miles a day but before this before this interview I I jogged here to our office so and it's three and a half miles. Wow I was telling Matt I took off my vest I put on my shirt I put on my deodorant and we're good. Yeah you're not smelling me so we're and I hope your your knees and hips and ankle ankles can uh can stand that but yeah man I'm I'm super blessed that when I have I have good uh I've been playing football since I was eight and so I was a college athlete and uh got into that strongman training and so it was pretty fun. Yeah man where can we where can we find you on YouTube Ford?

SPEAKER_00 46:43

It's just look under my name Ford Brewer MD. Okay.

SPEAKER_01 46:48

Awesome. Yeah you've got a pretty robust YouTube channel I love it. Appreciate your time so much appreciate your expertise. It's been such a wonderful conversation and I'm looking forward to doing it again and uh we're we're super excited uh to have you and talk with you and if you could leave us just with a quick 30 second blurb what's the what's the final summary that you would leave us with here today.

SPEAKER_00 47:11

Number one, don't be passive with your local doc. Learn what you need to do and do it. And don't depend on your doc to keep you from having a heart attack or stroke. This is um vascular disease not just heart disease meaning those same arteries that protect your heart your brain your kidneys your eyeballs your erectile functions those are all things that you destroy with aging and getting uh obese and eating the wrong foods eating glycemic foods you got to make those changes depending on your doctor to bail you out is just isn't it's a recipe for failure. We don't have to live in a world where in your 60s you can just have a heart attack and die. That's not requirement that's not reality. It's a reality that we create when we don't take care of ourselves.

SPEAKER_01 48:15

Sir thank you very much kind of said it better myself. Appreciate your time forward thank you so much and we will certainly be in touch. Thank you everybody yes sir