At His Lowest Point…Everything Changed w/ Adam Wynn

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In this episode, Josh Hewlett and Adam Wynn open up about their personal weight-loss journeys and the deeper changes that fueled their transformations. They discuss the mindset shifts that make lasting progress possible, the misconceptions many people have about weight loss, and why self-perception plays such a critical role. The conversation highlights the importance of support, motivation, and recognizing that prioritizing health is the gateway to a better, more fulfilling life.

00:00 Introduction and Connection
04:11 Health as a Gateway to Transformation
05:59 The Turning Point: Realizations and Motivations
10:01 Personal Experiences with Weight Loss
11:53 Professional Life and Its Changes
17:54 The Importance of Self-Perception
21:00 Diet and Nutrition Strategies
25:37 Daily Exercise and Caloric Trade-offs
26:00 Understanding Weight Gain and Diet Adjustments
27:05 The Impact of Liquid Calories
28:11 Weight Loss Journey: From 480 to 280
29:39 Caloric Intake and Weight Goals
30:54 Flexibility in Dieting and Weight Loss
32:18 Setting Realistic Weight Goals
34:33 Maintaining Muscle While Losing Fat
35:23 The Role of Science in Fitness
37:25 Challenging Beliefs About Weight and Happiness
39:14 Misinformation in Weight Loss
42:08 The Importance of Weight Loss for Health
43:54 Engaging with Followers and Fitness Challenges

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Transcript

SPEAKER_02 0:11

Thank you very much for joining us for another Pulse Beat episode sponsored by Cardio Miracle. We are so excited today to have a friend of mine that I've recently just uh been acquainted with on the interwebs over Instagram, and he's he's way over the the other side of the pond. So we're really excited to introduce Adam Wynne to our to our podcast and excited to talk about health and wellness and uh weight loss. And Adam, how you doing this morning, my friend?

SPEAKER_00 0:43

I I'm well. I'm well. As um as I mentioned in the little preamble today, it is it is very early here, but that is okay. We we do what we have to do.

SPEAKER_02 0:52

Heck yeah, man. No, it's been it's been really uh you know, it's been really cool to get to know you, bro. We uh I post I've been posting on Instagram, been posting my story about my weight loss journey and and how I I go out every day, I run five miles with a weighted vest, and I I do weights and everything, and then Adam hit me up and he goes, Hey, we have we have a similar journey. And so he he calls me through Instagram and and we just start chatting and we hit it off. And so I was like, I gotta get you on, man. We gotta talk about your journey. So here we are. It's pretty exciting.

SPEAKER_00 1:28

It it is. And it wasn't, it was um very impromptu because I think at the time I called you, I was in the middle of walking my equivalent. My I'll do a 6K walk every afternoon. And I was messaging on Instagram, and I'm like, this is I I don't want to walk and walk a message. I thought, you know what, let's give it a shot. I'll just give you a call, give this random bloke a call. Never, never, never spoken to him in my life, don't know who he is. And then we ended up talking for about 20 minutes and just just have a real surface level conversation. But even in that 20 minutes, it was pretty clear that we um we had some similarities that were worth worth exploring. So that was really good. It was really, really good to uh use the internet for what it was intended for, which was uh connection.

SPEAKER_02 2:11

Connecting, man, for real. Now we're we're on the safe wavelength here of like of wanting to encourage each other and help each other and build each other up instead of you know, some people on the internet are cutting each other down and trying to act like they're better or whatever. And so um, Adam, I guess I'll start off with a banger. Like your first uh my first question for you is as you have been posting and talking about your transformation journey, have you seen more of the of the encouragement or more of the haters on that end?

SPEAKER_00 2:45

Uh look for for me, like I think fortunately, I don't think that I'm actually big enough yet to to to deal with both sides of the internet. So so at the moment, the only people that I've really encountered have been have been positive. Um but I think certainly at the space in the space at large, um, like if I'm talking about you know posting weight loss content and that kind of stuff, uh yeah, there's there's there's a lot of people with a lot of opinions out there, and some of those opinions aren't aren't so great at being communicated. So um clear, I've dodged that. I've dodged that for now, thankfully. Um yeah, I I wouldn't I wouldn't actually mind a little bit more banter in the chat. As a uh as a as an Australian, we do like to punch on a bit. So I did it would be um it would be not exactly the worst thing to have a little bit of uh interaction on the negative side, but I do see a lot in other creators as well. Um and particularly in the weight loss space, there is there's a lot of um not necessarily the most constructive opinions being thrown around.

SPEAKER_02 3:51

Yeah. Yeah, man. So in with our company, with Cardi Miracle the sponsor, our biggest thing is taking your health into your own hands and uh and winning it life, you know. I mean, our our goal originally it was to save one million lives, and we feel like we've done that after we've been a company now for for almost uh 12 years, I think. And so it's now now we have a bigger mission, which is saving the hearts of mankind. And one of one of the questions I asked you was uh what what you're passionate about talking about. And one of the best answers I've ever heard in my life was that health and wellness and taking your health into your own hands is like a gateway drug to you know bigger and better things. So can you expand on that for me a little bit?

SPEAKER_00 4:43

Yeah, look, I I I don't know if that's a saying or phrase that I created or that I've co-opted from someone else. I'm sure like most things that you you hear about, it is probably something you've actually heard and you've gone, oh, that's really clever, I'm gonna take that. Look, it it really is. I think I think for me and many other people, but for me specifically, the the weight loss was always the the goal, but the things that have come out of that in terms of you know willingness to deal with being uncomfortable as being this massive, massive thing that you know beforehand when you're you know 180 kilos or 400 pounds for your weirdos, um, for for those guys, you know, the the the reason you got into that space typically is because you were just so avoidant of being uncomfortable. And it you just gotta be comfortable at all costs. And so even even a change like that in being okay with being uncomfortable is this huge thing, which then opens up so many other aspects of your life, it's so many other things that you can do, like jumping on a podcast, like starting to post social media content, like you know, probably being a little bit more um you know, risk capable and taking a few more chances because you you get that confidence back. And confidence is another thing that is kind of gatewayed by by weight loss. Um, and so there's there's there's there's a whole I mean I could I could write a list, but to to you know, real brief summary, obviously you you'd you'd know this yourself. Weight loss typically requires a fair bit of routine, and locking in that routine, you start doing other stuff as well. You know, the house starts getting a little bit cleaner and your car starts getting a little bit cleaner, and you start taking that little bit more pride in your appearance, it just it just all adds up. It's yeah, it's it's it's great.

SPEAKER_02 6:42

Love it, man. Love it. And so with like going back to that mindset of comfort and and whatnot, um, I I don't even know where you so you start at 400 pounds, and what was what was the flip of the switch? Like what happened in your brain that made you say this is enough is enough.

SPEAKER_00 7:03

Yeah, well, look, um to on the first point, the 400 pounds point, that's as high as my scales went. So there is a chance, there is a chance that I'm underestimating slightly. I don't think I was much more than that, but there is a chance. Um But in answer to your question, what made me start? I think I I think there is a very complicated answer. And then there's a very simple answer. The very simple answer being that, you know, like most people that wait, I was dying. And I think like most people that weight, you are aware of that. On some level, on some level, whether you push it right down to the back of your brain or not, you are aware what you're doing is is, you know, is going to lead to your demise. So the the the simple answer is is yes, you know, what made me change was that I was I was sick of dying. But there's so many little answers, there's so many little things on a day-to-day basis that you just you push down, you put through, and and and then, you know, eventually it it gets too much. I'm I'm assuming you had a very similar experience.

SPEAKER_02 8:15

Oh yeah, man. I I mean I was going in for a I I was like not I couldn't sleep, right? So I'd wake up uh probably five, six, seven times a night, like and like I'd be choking and uh obviously sleep apnea, you know, and I went in for a test, uh a sleepover test or whatever at this clinic, and I got on the scale and it just read error, error, and I they weighed me like four or five times, and the guy was like, I have to have a starting weight, and I was like, I haven't weighed myself in a long time, and so we literally walked across the street to a warehouse so I could weigh on a pallet scale, and it came up at 478, and I I don't even know how many kilos that is, but it's it's a lot, you know. But I I was so so sad and depressed and like really like uh gutted, maybe as you know, as uh I've heard Australians say before, uh gutted, right? And so I just I I didn't know like I was in this gown, it was huge, and he had to tie like three gowns together for for that to fit me. And I went across the street again and I took the test and I was sleeping, and he came in, he said he came into my room eight times to keep turning up the oxygen, and he said, even at the top oxygen, uh I thought you were gonna die on my table because you were dipping below 40% all night. He's like, if you don't get this under control, you're you're gonna die. I mean, I was 38, I was 39 years old, man. I was 30, 38, 39, I can't remember, but I was like, man, I gotta take my health. I'm representing a heart supplement. I've got to be a I've gotta do it, you know. So that was my final enough was enough. So but after getting kicked out of a all-you-can-eat, all-you-can eat buffet after my tenth plate, they're like, sir, you gotta leave you gotta save something.

SPEAKER_00 10:34

Sending us broke. No, look, it it's interesting because obviously that that that's kind of like a really top-level, you know, it's a big, big thing that happened that that kind of forced that domino to fall. But you know, I I can't speak for you, but for myself, it was the culmination of stuff like, you know, not being able to tie my shoelaces up without having to take a breath. It was, you know, constantly having to hold a pillow over myself when I'm sitting in a public space because subconsciously I'm like, oh, this is gonna make me look less fat somehow. And it was it was a bunch of stuff like that. Like one of the one of the main ones is I I went on a holiday.

SPEAKER_02 11:11

Oh yeah, if I can think every time you every time I sit down, I thought yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 11:17

Uh yeah, I I went on I went on holidays um and we're staying at a hotel that's quite cheap, quite a budget hotel. And this might be a little bit too much information for the podcast, but we're gonna share it anyway. So they had as as most cheap hotels do, a really tiny toilet space.

SPEAKER_01 11:35

And I couldn't fit properly.

SPEAKER_00 11:39

And that that was like this this like weird little like it shouldn't have been that big a deal. But that there was that like oh my god, like I'm I can't fit properly on this toilet. And at first I'm like, oh, this is a small toilet, and then I'm like, no, actually, I'm just really fat.

SPEAKER_02 12:02

I had I had a similar experience when I when I could fit in a middle stall in the gym, and I would always wait for the handicap because it's a bigger space, right? And so I one day I went into the middle stall and I would sat down on the toilet and I was like, I I was like, I can move, I can fit, I can reach for things that I couldn't like literally in the past, I'd be like, I can't do this, and I would just wait for the handicap stall or whatever. And so anyway, it dude, the little things like that are huge, bro. I mean, it not even thinking about even the thought of using a toilet on an airplane, like gave me crazy anxiety when I was, and even fitting into the seat without the use of an extender was and I actually I had a walk of shame. I got kicked off a flight because I couldn't even buckle with an extender, bro. I was just like, these things, man, it's all add up, like you said, but yeah, just that final one going over it on the pallet scale was was it for me. Yeah, man.

SPEAKER_01 13:14

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 13:15

So I don't even know what to do, bro. You said you like what you told me, sorry to cut you off, but you said you love what you do for a living while we're on the phone. So what do you even so I'm so sorry, what do you even do for a living and what what Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 13:29

Look, uh it's it's I I know our higher education system in Australia is is different to what you guys have over there. There's obviously there's obviously similar uh yeah, similarities, but um, and they're getting more similar for better or for worse. Um I haven't quite figured that one out yet, but it it's getting similar. Um so I work in in our university system, which would be the same as I'm assuming your college system, so young adults, young adult education. Um, and I do a lot of stuff with co-curricula, which is not education itself, not the teaching of the subject, but things that are built in support of teaching subjects. So for me, it's employability skills and it's um, you know, like uh resume writing, cover letter writing, workshops, um, getting industry engagement and employment, you know, different employers from around the the state and country to come in and talk to students. So it's um it's it's a lot of that, it's a lot of that recruitment and human resources and you know career advice, but but it's adjacent to education. So we're we're still doing a big educative piece, um, which is good, um, but I'm not like teaching math and science and social engineering any of that weird, you know, weird stuff. So I'm not a teacher.

SPEAKER_02 14:49

Sure, but you're you're teaching uh you're you're showing people how to be more effective with their uh putting themselves out. So do you have like consistent classes or do you have different students all the time?

SPEAKER_00 15:02

Yeah, we we we do like I'll I'll host a like a essentially a workshop where I'll I'll walk students through you know the different stages of the employment cycle from from you know application to all the way through to interview and and all that sort of stuff. And you do get repeat customers, um and and some of them, you know, are there because they really listen and they want to learn more, and some of them are there because they're not quite getting it.

SPEAKER_02 15:32

Um so you know, it's it What I'm getting at, sorry, what I'm getting at is like do did people like think that you were someone different when they didn't see you for a while or if they came back or whatever?

SPEAKER_00 15:45

Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Um so students not so much. I've had a st a few students be like, you know, my God, you're the same person. I'm like, yes, yes, I am. Um it's it's more it's more staff, and I'm not sure if you can relate to this, but the organization I work with is is very large, very large. Um well, I say very large, obviously you guys over there have got stuff like Amazon and Microsoft and Google, and we don't have that here. We've got you know a fish and chip shop. But you know, there's yeah, when you've got 500, 600 plus staff members in an organization, it's very possible to not see someone for many, many months. And there are people who thought I was a new staff member because they hadn't seen me for six months, and I've grown a beard and I've lost 60 kilos. So, you know, it is it's a big, it's a big difference.

SPEAKER_02 16:39

It's huge, that's huge, man. Yeah, like I uh I reconnected with one of our old customers that I haven't seen for like two years, maybe. And um, I just recently got married a couple weeks ago, and I sent her over my wedding pictures, and she goes, Who is this person you're sending me a picture of? And I'm like, That's me, Pat. And she goes, That is not you. I said, Yes, it is, and because I used to have hair and you know, and whatever. And so, but it was like my hairline started about back here. That's why when you logged on this morning, I was I was about to say, Man, I'm so jealous of your hairline, bro. But it's so true, it's such a good feeling, isn't it? When people are like, like, dude, you're like a different person. Like, isn't that isn't that like such a wonderful feeling?

SPEAKER_00 17:32

Like it it's it's a it's a hard one because you're like, nah, no, I'm not. And then you like actually kind of kinda like it's this, it's this constant, I don't know about you, I have a constant dialogue with myself, and it's like half the time it's I'm still that person. That is still me, you know, I have not changed. And the other half the time, you're like, wow, I'm a completely different human being, and then none of the same rules apply to me. At this, like it's it's it's this weird kind of spiritual, mental kind of game that you play with yourself where you're aware that you are that same person. On some level, you haven't changed, really. Like, yeah, some behaviors have changed, yeah, some you know, physical appearances changed, but the the the man in here is still the same man, but then also he's not, and that's kind of a hard thing to wrap your head around.

SPEAKER_02 18:31

Yeah. So so through this journey, what would be the number one reason that you would think that people would want to take their health into their own hands? It's kind of an obvious question, but I want to hear your take on it.

SPEAKER_00 18:47

Yeah, you say you say obvious question, but I I would actually I would actually question that. Because you you you would your base instinct would say, oh, to to make themselves healthier. But of course, a lot of people do a lot of things that go against making themselves healthier. You know, you know, drinking, smoking, partying, alcohol, getting up at 5 40 in the morning for a podcast. There's a lot of things that people do that aren't necessarily great for their health. I I would I would wager the number one reason is appearance. To to be honest with you. But like obviously it's connected to health, but that first thing, that first thing that gets a lot of people across the line is that they're sick of looking the way that they look. I and I think I think I'm probably on the money there. I don't know about you, but certainly for me, you know, walking past a mirror, you're like, oof.

SPEAKER_02 19:42

Yeah. What have I done? No. No, I love it, man. It's truth. And I was gonna say, like, with you presenting and you doing what you do, I'm sure that you've got to feel just like so much better about yourself being up there in front of everybody and and know not not in the back of your mind thinking like, oh, they're they're not really listening to what I'm saying because they're probably like, well, that guy doesn't even take care of himself. Like, why is he teaching us how to do anything? You know? Like, did you ever have those kind of battles in your head?

SPEAKER_00 20:18

Oh, for sure. I mean, I I've always been um quite an arrogant, egotistical person. I have been. I'm gonna I'll own that.

SPEAKER_01 20:28

Wow.

SPEAKER_00 20:29

The difference is I was severely overweight and unattractive, and so it was kind of like the worst of both worlds. There's that there's that saying where it's like you can either be fat and funny or or thin and mean, and I was kind of fat and mean, which is a bad combo, right? Bad combo. So I how do you how do you fix that? So well, uh so so the person I am has hasn't changed, but I think my ability to be authentic and communicate and and kind of I don't know, use the tools that I do have has has been improved dramatically with with the weight loss.

SPEAKER_02 21:09

Totally, man. And so let's talk about your diet a little bit. Um, how how do you how how do you do that with diet and everything? Because I've seen your workouts and they're they're intense, man. I love it. But um with your diet, are you bringing your food with you? Are you pre-packing? Like what what do you do usually?

SPEAKER_00 21:27

Yeah, yeah, yeah. So this this is a big one for me. It's probably it's probably my my kind of number one thing that I I want to talk about, haven't talked about much yet. I I firmly believe that restricting yourself is not the same as control, right? If you if you are emitting things from a diet, if you are saying, I'm not gonna eat these things, I don't actually think that that is exercising self control, which might be a bit of a hot take, but I don't think it is. So the What I eat never changed. I still eat the same foods that I have always eaten. I still eat my McDonald's, I still eat my KFC, I still eat, you know, some things you just can't fit in the calories. Like pizza can go fuck off. But, you know, uh cheese, cheese is almost impossible to fit into any deficit. So there are some things that change, but for the most part, my my diet was just being less of an asshole about what I ate. You know, just being just being less stupid regarding how much food I'm eating. I can still go eat KFC. I just need to get a single piece of chicken, not an extra large family meal, you know?

SPEAKER_02 22:47

But but except those other people that go, what else do you guys want? Okay, yeah, I want 12 biscuits. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 22:52

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because the other person answering is just me. I'm like, what else do I want? What else do I want? Oh yeah, okay. You know, so but diet, I think more recently has been more important, and that is because, and you can probably attest to this yourself, when you are that big to start, you really just lose weight by not looking at food.

SPEAKER_02 23:20

I like when I smell some fresh cookies, I'm like, ah, I just gained five pounds, you know. So yeah, yeah. But now I'm like, I can have one cookie or two cookies. I just don't need 12 of them, you know?

SPEAKER_00 23:33

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 23:34

So I'm bit of portions, right?

SPEAKER_00 23:37

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I I'm a bit of a psycho there. A lot of people say you can't out-exercise a bad diet. I'll challenge you. You can't, you can. It just sucks trying to do it. And so a lot of the a lot of the time for me, I'm like, how many kilometers do I want to walk? Or miles, sorry. How many miles do I do I want to walk to eat this? And that's like a genuine conversation I have to have. Because I've got my calorie budget as all good weight loss journey people should have. We'll get to that. Uh it's like this is going to exceed my budget by 300. That's, you know, a solid hour of walking. And so it's like, do I want to make that trade? Usually, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 24:20

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 24:22

So so yeah, but but meal prep now, meal prep is and and bringing food with me, bringing portioned weighed food with me, that's yeah, that's that's huge. I couldn't do it without it.

SPEAKER_02 24:34

But but there are hacks where you could go to KFC and have a pretty good meal. Or, like, um, you know, here, and excuse my ignorance there, but you have Chick-fil-A there, right? Or no.

SPEAKER_00 24:47

We have equivalents. We don't have we don't have the same thing.

SPEAKER_02 24:52

Right. So Chick-fil-A has either the crack nuggets, which I, you know, I I heard are like crack. I've never tried crack, but I hear it's pretty addictive. And they have these crack nuggets that are fried, and then they have the grilled nuggets. And so instead of having the fried nuggets, I get the grilled nuggets, and then I pour some sauce on it, shake it up, eat it. It doesn't give me the same rush as the crack nuggets do, but they, you know, it they they do, they do fine, but it's just like making those switches or doing less. Or, you know, I used to get a 40 count of the fried nuggets, a 40 count. And now I just get 24 of the grilled nuggets with sauce on it, and it's good. But I love that example because it's true. When I run, when I jog, I don't run, I don't outright sprint five miles a day, but I do five miles of a weighted vest jog every day, and I get about a thousand calories out of that. I burn a thousand calories, and I'm like, do I want to go eat 1200 calories in one sitting, or do I want to eat 400 calories and and bank that other, you know? So that's that's a really good trade-off. I like that, but it's true, man. You can have one piece of pizza, you don't need the whole thing, you know?

SPEAKER_00 26:17

Yeah. I'm assuming you had a similar, um, a similar reckoning to to what I did, which was when you first started and you hadn't adjusted your diet yet, and you're just kind of like still eating kind of the same, and you're recording it, and you're like, oh, oh, I understand what I you know, I understand the problem here. Cause I because I think I think we'd probably be similar. I'm taller than you, I I think. I think I'm taller than you, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 26:44

Six three.

SPEAKER_00 26:45

Six three, six, I'm six five.

SPEAKER_02 26:46

So so it are nice. Okay.

SPEAKER_00 26:49

Those two inches and how you use them are very important. Um, but so you would you would be aware, as I was, that like to gain weight at that size, you've got to pack away like 5,000 calories a day. And it's not it's not until you get to where we are now that you go, holy shit, that's a that's a lot of lettuce. That's yeah, that's you know, and um and I'm like, I'm not eating that much food, but then of course I'd have breakfast, lunch, and dinner. I'd probably, you know, snack in between those. Dinner's gonna come with dessert, because of course it is. And then on the way home from work, I'm probably stopping past, you know, fast food to get a little top-up snack.

SPEAKER_01 27:34

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 27:34

And then the rest of it's in liquid. You know, liquid calories are obviously this massive issue. Um, and so yeah, it's it's it's insane. It's insane looking back on what I used to eat and what we used to eat, and just going, Well, what were we doing?

SPEAKER_02 27:52

What I used to I used to fill up a cup at 7-Eleven, and I it was a 64-ounce cup. I'd fill it up every time I drove past a 7-Eleven, I'd fill it up, probably I I would I was counting in my mind six to eight times a day, and just drinking that throughout like nothing. So that's what I did when I was 480 was my final way. Um, 480, and I went from 480 down to 410 just by cutting out Dr. Pepper. That's it. Yeah. That's it, bro. And then I got stuck at 410 and I went super extreme because that's I'm an extremist. And so I got on the keto diet train and started eating high fat, high protein. I cut out carbs, I went down to like 10 grams of carbs a day and no sugar, no soda, and I dumped, I went from 410 down to 280, and um, and now I'm kind of stuck at 280, which is fine for me, but now I've got to cut it even more because I'm not I transitioned back uh from keto to normal eating so I could so I didn't have to pack my bratwurst everywhere, you know.

SPEAKER_00 29:15

That that's a euphemism, yeah?

SPEAKER_02 29:17

Yeah, yeah, yeah. But it was a family-friendly show. So so I would go to family parties and I'd bring seriously two 12 packs of bratwurst with me and just cook them on the whatever and in the air fryer. And now I go and I eat normal food and I'm eating carbs again and whatever, and now I'm stuck at 280 again, and so I've got to cut my calories, probably. I'm I'm doing like 2600 calories a day, 260 grams of protein, 80 grams of carbs, 80 grams of fat, and now I've got to adjust that probably to get down to 250, you know, is my next goal.

SPEAKER_01 29:59

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 30:00

You know, but you're at you're around like two, are you around like 240 right now or something? Where where are you?

SPEAKER_00 30:06

Yeah, yeah. I'm around 240, and I'm I'm consistently dropping, you know, roughly two and a half pounds or or a kilo a a week, and have been since I started. My deficit's probably a little bit more extreme. I think I'm probably at 1800, um, which which at my height is still quite an aggressive cut. Yeah, still an aggressive cut. Um and that's with that's with exercise on on top of that. And but what that gives me is the freedom to not count everything, and I don't advocate for that. I'm not saying that's c a clever idea. I think you should count everything, but at the same time, it does allow me that little bit of flexibility that, like, oh, if I really want to, you know, grab that cheeseburger, really want to grab that ice cream, I can, I just, you know, I just need to make like a very slight modification. Whereas if you're set to 2500 and you're eating 2500, suddenly that little extra treat, you're like, whoa, that's a big, that's a big decision as to whether or not you can eat that or not.

SPEAKER_01 31:19

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 31:20

So, so for me, I think I I enjoy the the the slight bit of extra torture that comes with a a bigger deficit because what it allows me to do is be a little bit less restrictive in terms of you know controlling my intake. But you know, that just works for me. What works for other people works for other people as well.

SPEAKER_02 31:40

Love it, man. Love it. What's what's the end goal for you? And and if you could convert it into pounds, that's helpful for us.

SPEAKER_00 31:49

Yeah, yeah. Yeah, I'll try. So what's the what's the end goal? I don't know if you know of Henry Cavill, but it looks something like that.

SPEAKER_01 31:58

Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 31:59

I mean, who's that? Who doesn't have? Yeah, yeah, yeah. So I looked, I looked him, I'm like, how old's Henry Cavill? And it was like 44 or something like that. I'm like, yeah, I can do that. I got time. I got I got time. What's that? Yeah, 10 years, I got time. Yeah, yeah, for sure, for sure. So so that is that's that that's the end goal, is is looking looking something like that. Uh pounds-wise. I don't I don't think realistically I'm getting any lighter than 210.

SPEAKER_02 32:33

Yeah. Well, 210, that I mean at 6'5, would that be a little dangerous or no? Is that is that good for 6'5?

SPEAKER_00 32:43

That's a hard one, because because like me, I'm sure you've been to the to the doctors and you've seen, you know, what constitutes a healthy body weight and what is realistic is probably a little bit, you know, not a little bit mismatched. I think I think for me, um you know, my my ideal body weight is probably you know, might even be closer to 200. Um, but what I would need to do and maintain to be that is just simply not worth it for me.

SPEAKER_01 33:15

Right now, yeah, obviously, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 33:17

It yeah, so so I I I think I think 210, that'd be what, another 15 15 odd kilos down from what I am now, which would put me, you know, sub a hundred kilos in in you know, upside down language.

SPEAKER_01 33:32

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 33:34

And that, yeah, that that is a that is achievable. Is it achievable with my other goal, which is to get absolutely massive? Maybe.

SPEAKER_02 33:43

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 33:44

Maybe.

SPEAKER_02 33:44

But then the the it's just the amount of food you gotta go like right now. My last DEXA scan said that I had, you know, 214 pounds of muscle mass underneath all my insulation. And that's what I call it. I but it says for me not to be obese as a 6'3 human, I'd have to be 180. And I'm like, I I don't want to be 180, you know. That I would just feel like I'd be like, like, I would be like, people would be like, Do you have do you have cancer? Like, what's wrong with you? You know? And I I want to be fit, but I also want to be, I want to have that inner Hulk if I need it, you know? And I don't know, I just I like that. I've always been known as like the strong guy or whatever, the strong man. And that that's why I got up to almost 500 pounds because I was competing in strongman. I was flipping telephone poles and I was lifting cars, and people thought it was cool when I was in my 20s and 30s, and now I'm in my forties, and they're like, dude, you gotta be around, you know, you gotta be around for a while. So it's like I wanna I wanna be around for my kids and and whatnot. And so yeah, that's that's always a goal for me. I want to maintain the muscle, but I also want to get the body fat down and and do all that. Do you do that? Do you do those like do you have you heard of the DEXA scans or whatever?

SPEAKER_00 35:03

Like, okay Yeah, not heard of it. Don't do any of it. Um it is all is all by eyes, my eyes and my eyes alone that is is guiding guiding my journey. We won't get I don't think we have time to get into it, but you there is this whole world of science in fitness, you know, particularly around gymming, science-based gymming is is this huge thing, and and people will sit here and they'll break down, you know, the exact types of exercise you need to do to achieve certain things and um you know, percentage body fat, and all you know, what's water, what's waste, what's all uh it's like none of that, no no no, none, none, none. Do I looking better? Yeah, okay, we're good, we're good.

SPEAKER_02 35:48

Yeah. No, I love it, man. It's it's all in the eye of the beholder as well. I mean, it's it, you know, I've I've told myself that I wanted to look in the mirror and be proud of what I saw. And and I'm I can't even tell you that I'm there yet. And I've you know, and I'm down I'm down 200 pounds, and it's like I gotta keep going until I can really look at myself and be like, and I'm proud of what I've done. Like I I put on my videos and whatever, and it's it's cool to see me in those shirts that came up to here, you know, with my belly, and now they're they're flowing on me. Like, that's awesome. But it's you know, we have such a skewed kind of view of of what we want to look like, and and you know, I mean, I watched this Limitless show with uh Chris uh Chris Helmsworth, you know, and and it was talking, I was talking to this guy the other day about breath work and everything and how important that is for like stress and um awareness and whatnot. And I said to him, I was like, this guy, Chris Helmsworth, is worth $150 million. And he's like, how can I how can I get my mind right? And I was just like, dude, I thought if I looked like Thor, if I looked like that, I wouldn't have any problems. But we we obviously do. And so yeah, man, I Adam, I just I gotta ask, man, like in all of this journey for you, has there ever been like a belief that you have come across that now you look at and you're like that was complete BS? And I don't know why I I went with that for so long. Like, have you have you seen anything like that?

SPEAKER_00 37:37

Yeah, I don't know if it's a belief, we'll call it a belief. It certainly is a mantra, we'll use that word.

SPEAKER_01 37:45

Okay fat and happy.

SPEAKER_00 37:51

It ain't real, man. And and uh I can tell you as someone who regularly, regularly said, oh, I'm fat and happy, you know, that's just pure cope. It is cope. Uh and people will look you dead in the eye and they'll go, Oh, I'm fat and happy, I'm fat and happy. So, yeah, okay, uh-huh, yep. And then you're like, if you could click your fingers and and magically drop a hundred pounds, would you? Of course they would. They might say they won't because they need to maintain the illusion, but of course they would. Of course they would. And I told myself that a lot. I told myself, you know, the belief that I I had was that I didn't care what other people thought. That was a big one. So I told myself every day, I don't care. I don't care what people think of me. Of course I did. Of course I of course I did.

SPEAKER_01 38:43

I'm I'm fat and happy.

SPEAKER_00 38:46

No.

SPEAKER_01 38:47

Yeah, man.

SPEAKER_00 38:48

So so that those those beliefs were were uh were a big one. Um, but man, the amount of kind of misinformation that you that's all around on the uh on the old weight loss front on the internet, you see a lot of people that throw out some some stuff that really doesn't take a whole lot of research to uh debunk. Yeah. No. No, like like um metabolic adjustment or or starvation mode. It's like, oh really, oh really, okay. So if you just stopped eating for a month, your body would, you know, we would say, no, you'd die. You'd die. Starvation mode isn't real.

SPEAKER_02 39:24

It it's wild, but uh what's wild for me is every like everyone that I know has become a fitness expert when I was eating keto, and I I'd wake up in the middle of the night starving because I was intermittent fasting, and I would drink MCT oil or avocado oil and for straight from the bottle, and that would keep me in ketosis. But I was in ketosis for two years, man. I'd test my blood and everything, and um, and I was just melting the fat, you know, and I was burning fat 24-7. And now I'm trying to have more of a balanced life so that when I do go out with my wonderful wife that I'm I've been married to for two weeks now, like thanks, man. Um, but but I I held myself to this higher level and then I found her, and I was like so grateful, excuse me, that I was able to hold myself to that higher level so that I could level up and find someone at that same level. But now when she wants to go out for some ice cream, I can go out for some ice cream, you know, and that would have thrown me out of ketosis in the uh in the past, but now I can just work it into my macros and my my diet, you know, my lifestyle. So in closing, what else, what else is there that that I've missed that we can talk about? Do you think, Adam?

SPEAKER_00 40:57

Look, I I I think there's probably a million different things that we could we could cover off. I think we'll stay on the point of of I guess um things that I've heard that have turned out to be not true or things that you know we we've we've seen. And um the the big one for me is how many people like people will view something like um you know keto, eating too much pre, oh, it's bad for your liver. Or you'll go, oh, you'll you you drink sugar-free sophone, but don't you know that that causes cancer? And it's it's this it's this really interesting thing because the number one secondary aging or comorbidity that you can have is being overweight. It it ruins everything. And and likewise, losing weight, no matter what illness you have, chronic or otherwise, there is no illness that is not you know improved with with weight loss. Even even you know, things like like Crohn's and other, you know, degenerative, you know, chronic illnesses, that they get less less problematic with with weight loss. And it's amazing watching people who will say, Oh, you don't do this. That's unhealthy to be in that steep of a deficit, or it's unhealthy to drink sugar-free soft drinks. It's like, yeah, it is, but it's a lot less unhealthy than being 400 pounds. Yeah, right?

SPEAKER_02 42:21

100%. And I I tell people all the time, I'd be like, Where were you when I was 480? You know, like when I was 480, you were like, have another slice or have another donut, and now they're like, What? You don't eat that? And I'm like, Yeah, I do, I choose not to. So it's man, it's been such a freaking honor to have you on here, dude. It's been so fun to chat with you and laugh with you and everything, man. And I'm so seriously, I don't know how much this means because I know we just met, but I'm so proud of you, dude. Like you've taken your help from your own hands and you've done it, man.

SPEAKER_00 43:00

So yeah, no, look, I appreciate that. I'm I'm as I said, I think we we've got a lot of similarities in our journey, and you know, I think that through through a longer period of time that we're gonna be able to really, you know, keep each other in check and push each other. And you know, it's like our old-fashioned pen power system, but it's in the digital age now. So I'll I'll I'll be your weight loss pen power man.

SPEAKER_02 43:22

Yeah, sounds good. Well, we're gonna get we're gonna get Adam a care package, we're gonna send him some cardiomerical. Really excited about this. This has been the pinnacle of my of my weight loss because it helps me recover from my workouts. Um, it helps me go every single day, helps me have that motivation. It increases blood flow, healthy blood flow, so that once you are feeling down or you're feeling depressed or whatnot, that you have those vitamin D levels, those happy, the happy drugs, you know, so that you can make sure to get out every day and go do your thing, man. So uh, oh, I want to talk about your challenge. One last thing. So tell us about your challenge on Instagram and what you're doing with that.

SPEAKER_00 44:04

Oh, this might backfire because, you know, if more people, if more people engage in the challenge, um, the regret will increase. But currently I am I'm walking one kilometer or 0.6 miles for every every new follower I get this month. Um I think I've I've racked up a debt of about seven kilometers or or you know, four, four miles so far. Um, but that is something that I can achieve in a good day. So, you know, I I'm grateful for any support. And then, you know, there's there's that weird um parasocial relationship that tends to get people going. So, you know, if they want to make if they want to make a strange man walk, they can make a strange man walk. Just got to follow.

SPEAKER_02 44:43

Heck yeah, man. Tell us your uh your Instagram handle.

SPEAKER_00 44:46

Uh so it is Adam W2.0 with a little little line underneath it. Um and that's kind of self-explanatory. I was I was one and now I am number two. So it's a it's a new new me, new me.

SPEAKER_02 45:01

Heck yeah, man, I love it. And that's that's what I did. I had a whole Instagram, whatever, and then I changed it to the transformed J Hugh, and people are telling me I should probably change it back to something else because people go, Why are you a transformed Jew? And I'm like, No, I'm transformed J Hugh. You got you got the beers. Yeah. Was the transformation losing the hair or it was. You saw me in that video with the hair, bro. It was bad.

SPEAKER_00 45:32

No, I'm excited. I'm excited for the the the cardio miracle to arrive as well, very much so. Um, you know, I'm always on the on the hunt for good, you know, supplements and good things to to help, particularly now with the gym that I'm doing. So I'm very excited to get my hands on that one.

SPEAKER_02 45:48

Heck yeah, man. Yeah, really excited to uh send it to you. And thanks again for being on here. And we'll maybe we'll do a follow-up in a couple months and and see how you're feeling and see how your journey progresses. And hopefully we can get you a couple hundred followers so you have to walk like a madman, you know. Yep. I'll do it. You'll you'll see. You'll I'll I'll I'll I'll post receipts. I'll post receipts, I'll do it. Heck yeah, bro. Well, thanks so much for taking the time. I hope you get to go back to sleep, take a little nap or something like that. But uh, you're the man, you'll probably go hit the gym, right? Probably. Probably, probably. All right, brother. Well, have a great day. Thanks for your time, brother.

SPEAKER_00 46:27

You too, you too. Have a good one.