A Spiritual Battle Is Already Underway in America

In this episode of America’s Black Robe Regiment podcast, Rev. Bill Cook speaks with former counterintelligence agent John Bennett about Islamic terrorism, civilization jihad, and the role of counter-intelligence in national security. Bennett shares insights from his intelligence background, discusses the Ten Commandments Bill he co-authored, and critiques growing Muslim influence in American politics. He calls on the church to recognize the spiritual battle at hand and take action to defend liberty and Christian values.

00:00 Introduction to Counterintelligence and John Bennett's Background
02:03 Understanding Counterintelligence
03:54 The Ten Commandments Bill and Its Significance
05:39 The Rise of Islamic Terrorism
08:01 Civilization Jihad: Definition and Origins
10:01 The Phases of Subversion and the Current Threat
11:13 Trump Administration's Understanding of the Threat
12:35 Political Influence of Muslims in America
14:51 The Nature of Islam and Its Implications
20:09 Challenges in Educating Religious Leaders
22:46 The Origins of the Interfaith Movement
26:15 The Role of the Muslim Brotherhood
30:02 Understanding the Deception in Interfaith Dialogue
34:10 The Church's Responsibility in the Current Climate
38:02 The Battle for the Soul of the Nation
42:22 The Phases of Islamic Takeover
44:31 Call to Action for Christians

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Transcript

SPEAKER_02 0:10

Welcome, ladies and gentlemen, to this edition of the America's Black Robe Regiment podcast. We're excited today to have with us uh John Bennett is our guest, and we're excited to hear about his what he's been doing and the things he knows about, which we need to learn about today. And so thanks for joining us today, John. And I'm going to tell you a little bit about John. John's got an extensive background in counterintelligence. He's a Marine and uh he's been he's been a counterintelligence agent with over 20 years of service, including combat tours in Iraq and Afghanistan. After retiring in 2015, he continues serving through law enforcement, the FBI's JTTF, Joint Terrorism Task Force, and as a Virginia patient advocate for veterans, wounded veterans, severely wounded veterans. He's also been in the in the Oklahoma House of Representatives, chairman of the Oklahoma Republican uh Party, authoring and supporting conservative values. So thanks for joining us today, John. Glad you're with us and uh look forward to hearing more about you as we as we get into this uh podcast today. Thank you, Bill, for later having me. My wife's reminding me, she's in the background reminding me we need to pray. So if Lord, we commit this podcast to you, we commit the whole day to you, Father. Uh we can't do anything apart from you. Jesus, you said, apart from me, you can do nothing, and we believe that's true. We ask for you to be with us, to be give us your help today, and that you be in our conversation. We ask this in Jesus' name.

SPEAKER_01 1:34

Amen. Amen. Thanks, John, for joining us today. Thanks for having me on, Bill. I appreciate it.

SPEAKER_02 1:44

Appreciate all you do with the Black Road Regiment as well. Uh John, you've had an extensive background in counterintel counterintelligence. Would you just tell the audience what is counterintelligence? We kind of know what intelligence is, but what is counterintelligence?

SPEAKER_00 1:59

Yeah, so basically what we do is we we try to uh look forward, look into what the enemy is doing with their indicators, encounter uh their intelligence collection or intelligence efforts on us and what they're doing, figure out who who they say they are, how they operate, why they operate, and encounter that uh with a counteraction plan so we can uh defeat our enemies, uh the enemies of liberty and the enemies that are trying to destroy our constitutional republic uh here in the United States and outside the United States as well.

SPEAKER_02 2:33

So when you were in the El Coloma House of Representatives, this you authored a bill called the Ten Commandments Bill. What was the essence of that of that bill? You could sorry, you co-authored it.

SPEAKER_00 2:45

Yeah, I should well actually it was it was my bill. Um I authored it on the House side. We had a Senate author as well, which you have to have, of course. Um so we had the Ten Commandments Monument up at uh the state capitol uh in Oklahoma. Uh some it would there was an injunction put on it. The state Supreme Court said we had to take it down because he said it was had uh uh it involved religion and a specific religion, the Christian religion, even though uh our founding fathers were very clear. We see in all of our founding documents that uh this great nation, the United States of America, is in fact a Christian nation. It was bought up, it was built upon the laws of nature and nature's God, as we see in our founding documents. And not only that, it was legally defined at our founding, as we see in Blackstone's commentaries, uh the laws of nature and nature's God was legally defined as God's word and God's will as found in Holy Scripture and through the Holy Spirit. So even though we are in fact a Christian nation, and because we're a Christian nation, we're a free nation, and other religions are allowed to practice their religion if they like. They are not, uh it doesn't change the fact that we're a Christian nation, but the very liberal state Supreme Court uh put an injunction on it. What I did is I called a friend of mine in Texas, his name, David Barton, and I asked, David, David, can you help me uh resubmit this in a way to where it will be constitutionally sound? Um it won't be uh having another injunction put on it by the courts. Uh so if it does go to court, we can win the fight. So uh he did. We sat down, we we gamed the whole thing out, and we rewrote it, resubmitted it, got it passed, the governor signed it into law. And basically uh we justified it because it is in fact a historically significant document. All that we we tied every commandment all the way back to the founding of our nation. Uh so we we ran it as a historically significant document, and as long as you put the Ten Commandments up with other historically significant documents, then you can uh legally or lawfully put them back up uh and it was it was judicially sound. So they haven't been able to take it down.

SPEAKER_02 5:03

So um we've seen a lot of activity in recent days that that are indicative of Muslim terrorism, Islamic terrorism. Would you comment on that for us just briefly? What uh you know, in relation to the event that's happened in Australia recently and and uh the election of Madami in New York. Any thoughts on that?

SPEAKER_00 5:23

Well, yeah, absolutely. So what we're seeing today is um is a historical color revolution on steroids uh being supported and pushed by a 60-year-plus Islamic movement here in the United States, primarily um run by the Palestinian Muslim Brotherhood, and they've shared it with and turning the reins over to the Turkish Muslim Brotherhood today. Uh and they are coupled, they're tied at the hip, seamlessly working with the communists and Marxists, which have been operating here in the United States for over a hundred years. Uh they're working together from the ground level all the way to the international level. Um, and both of them are totalitarian-type governments, and even though they're ideologically opposed in all their beliefs, they're literally working together for one common goal. And that is, in fact, to destroy our constitutional republic. They say it in their doctrine, they say it publicly, and they've been doing it, and we're seeing the intentional outcomes of it today. Uh, Mamdani being a really good example in New York of a communist, Marxist-minded person that is also uh Muslim that believes uh in sharia, and they're meshing these two together and pulling both sides together to strive towards that common goal, which they've been very effective at so far, to destroy our republic, literally without firing a shot. However, the civilization jihad that they're conducting is only setting the groundwork and the format the foundation up for the violence, the major violence is coming, and we're starting to see it unfold today, uh, like we did um uh for at Bondi Beach. Uh we're seeing it all over the United States today. I mean, it's it's everywhere, and it's growing uh more and more violent each act, uh, and it's coordinated. Uh they have structure, they have opera, they have plans, and they're operationalizing those plans, and that's what we're seeing today.

SPEAKER_02 7:25

Use the term civilization jihad. What is the civilization jihad? Where is the term originally?

SPEAKER_00 7:30

So actually that that term came from uh court documents uh and evidence that was entered into the largest terrorism financing trial in the United States history in 2004, just north of Dallas, Texas. Uh that trial went on from 2004 to 2008. Um just prior to that, they found those documents. Uh Ishmael Albarisi uh was him and his bride was driving up the up and down the Chesapeake Bay Bridge, taking pictures of the trusses in Virginia. Um and an alert police officer pulled them over. When he detained them, he run them in the system. The FBI had a warrant for their arrest. Uh, so they detained them. Then the FBI executed a warrant on their home in Virginia, and in the basement, they found a hidden sub-basement. And in that hidden sub-basement, they found over 80 banker boxes worth of documents that were labeled the Memorandum of the Muslim Brotherhood. It was basically a detailed plan to destroy the United States from the inside out, and in their words, destroy us by our hands, all non-Muslims, and communists and Marxists they're working with today, um, to destroy our house by our hands and the hands of the Ikwan or the Muslim brothers. So that's what their uh the civilization jihad came from. So basically what they're doing is destroying us from the inside out through many lines of operation, many lines of effort, political, uh social, all different lines from the local level to the highest office of the land, uh, to basically implement uh sharia or communism and Marxism, which right now they're doing both. At the end of the day, uh one of those two, if they're successful, we're gonna have to figure out who's gonna be the top dog. But at that point, it won't matter for the rest of us. Uh but that's their civilization jihad. And um, they shave off their Sunni beards. Um, you can't tell they're Muslim, they're the nicest people in the room, they've got plenty of money to throw around and have a lot of influence. So they're basically doing it from the inside out. And both movements, the Islamic movement, through the civilization jihad and the communist and Marxist movement, uh, they're doing, as Yuri Bezmanov said, uh basically running down the four uh phases of destroying us from the inside out without firing a shot. Which first phase was was demoralization, the second stage was destabilization, the third was crisis, and the fourth was normalization. And we're on the tail end of the third and going into the fourth phase of that right now. Um Yuri Bespanov was a Russian KGB agent, if you don't know, and he was uh his job was to go into foreign countries and subvert them from the inside out using these four phases. Um and he defected from Russia, came to the United States, and told us all, the government and others, this is how we're gonna do it. This is how we've done it in the past, it's been successful. And yet, here we are today, no one's really doing anything about it.

SPEAKER_02 10:37

How do you do you feel do you do you feel like the administration under Donald Trump understands this threat the way that you do? Because I feel I feel like what you're saying is absolutely right on. I know you understand it. Everything I've heard you say tells me that you fully understand it. Does the administration understand that?

SPEAKER_01 10:56

I'll say this. I I know that um President Trump, he gets it.

SPEAKER_00 11:01

He knows that there's a problem. Um, however, he can't do everything by himself. His advisors who are advising him have no clue what we're dealing with today. Therefore, they have no clue on how to defeat it. They can't even call it what it is. It's Islamic terrorism. It's universally taught Islam, normative and universally taught Islam to all Muslims. It doesn't matter if they're ISIS, Boko Haram, Al-Qaeda, or eighth-grade students in Islamic schools in the United States of America. They literally teach them the same thing across the board. Yet here, the advisors to President Trump are calling them radicals. Um, they're calling them crazy. They're, they're, they're, they have mental issues or whatever, instead of diving down into the root of the problem. And you can't fix it until you do that. Uh so they are not advising him correctly. Therefore, we're losing this war.

SPEAKER_02 11:59

Well, there are um, let me see. I think there are uh I read somewhere the Muslims hold over 250 offices throughout the United States, political offices. Uh can you comment on that? Is there some is there some legal constitutional basis for uh for disallowing that?

SPEAKER_01 12:20

Well, I'll say this.

SPEAKER_00 12:22

The um if any of them are um practicing Muslims, um and don't get me wrong, there are Muslims that self-identify with being a Muslim, they have no idea or clue what Islam really is. But that's why here in America we cannot allow sharia uh or the tenets of Islam to be uh promoted or supported, because there's a lot of, especially women uh that are forced, they're captive to Islam because they can't leave. And here in America, they should be allowed to do that if they want to do it. That's why we are a free nation, we're a constitutional republic. Problem is when the U.S. government and others, the church, Christians, everybody says, oh, well, they've got a right to practice that because that's their First Amendment right. It's not. If anything taught, whether it's Islam or any other form of complete way of life or religion, it doesn't get First Amendment protections. Anything that goes against our laws and our constitution should never get First Amendment rights. However, because our own government doesn't even understand it and the populace doesn't understand it, they say, well, it's just the First Amendment thing. We have to allow them to do that. No, you don't, because it breaks our laws and our constitution. So the United States government and the people need to stand up, understand what we're actually facing, understand what Islam really is, and that way those that are captive within Islam can leave it. Now, the rest of them, if they're sharia-compliant Muslims, they need to go. They should not be allowed to practice that here in the United States of America, period. Uh the problem is in Islam, you practice all of it as Allah commands and as Muhammad patterned it, or you you're to be killed. It comes with capital punishment. Correct. So they have an incentive to do it, whether they want to do it or not.

SPEAKER_02 14:15

Well, this is so good because you're one of the few people I know that have really described this threat and this challenge we're facing as a nation in a clear and in a clear, understandable way. You're saying what I've understood in my heart for for years, years and years. I've understood since 9-11 that um that these things were were wrong. We were basically not, we were submitting the first person that came out and started saying Islam is a religion of peace, parroting what Muslims claim that it's a religion of peace, which it is not. Um it's a religion of war. And uh we just we've just continued to walk blindly into the future with this stuff, and it's it's it's gained incredible traction in our nation, in our midst. It takes me back to it takes me back to when I was working at DHS in the in the explosives division uh as a contractor. I working I was working in at TSA in what the what was called the um the systems integration facility testing explosives detection systems. Sitting in the cubicle next to mine was a young man who had a Muslim name, so I looked him up on the internet and found out he was a member of the Muslim Students Association, which, you know, most Americans don't understand that the MSA is not just a students organization. It's it's basically a member, it's a it's an organization that's birthed out of Hamas, which means it's a terrorist organization. And uh, you know, I knew we were I knew we were in trouble before that, but I knew it even more after that. You know, I'm working right in a in a place that's trying to ensure aviation security. And uh and I had a guy sitting next to me who was part of the global Islamic movement, you know.

SPEAKER_00 15:56

So Yeah, absolutely. And well, the uh MSA, the Muslim Student Association, was the first Muslim Brotherhood organization ever set up, active organization set up here in the United States in 1963 on a campus, college campus in Illinois. Today, there's one on every college campus in the United States, major college campus in the United States today. And their job is Dawah or to recruit and invite people to Islam.

SPEAKER_01 16:24

And that's exactly what they're doing.

SPEAKER_00 16:28

And to kind of go back to what you said a while ago about everyone, uh, they say Islam's a religion of peace. Well, it is, but they don't understand what they mean by peace. You see, when we when you're dealing with Islam, you have to look look at everything they say and do through the lens of Sharia. We know it as Sharia law. Uh they call it Allah's divine law, which they have to follow to the T. It's punishable by death if they do not. And there's some there's some caveats to that, but um they see, when they say, when they say Islam's a religion of peace, what they mean by it through the lens of Sharia, Islam only sees the entire world in two houses. They call it the Darl al-Harb and the Dar al-Islam. The Dar al-Harb or Dar al-Arb is the house of war. The Darl al-Islam they call the house of peace. Now, the Darl Al-Harbor, all nations, all places that do not fall under the control of Islam. Darl al peace are the nations that do. And there can't be true peace in the world until the entire world submits to Islam and is governed by Allah's divine law. Then and only then, according to Islam, can there be real peace. So until that day comes, they are commanded. Islam commands them, Allah commands them to fight until there's no more unbelief, which is people that do not believe in Islam and governed by sharia. And the vehicle to do that is through jihad. Now, to put this in context for you, if one Muslim lies to another Muslim about Islam, it's punishable by death about what Islam says. But Muslims are commanded and obliged to lie to non-Muslims so they can promote Islam. So, of course, they're not going to tell you these things. And some Muslims don't know. But I would also like to point out very quickly: just because a Muslim doesn't follow all of what Islam says doesn't mean there's a different version of Islam. There's only one Islam, there's only one Allah, there's only one Muhammad, and they are commanded to follow that. Whether they do or not, doesn't mean that there's a unicorn and rainbow, another version of Islam. It's all the same. There's no radical Islam, there's no moderate Islam, there's only Islam. And if people understand that and they understand Sharia and they understand Muhammad, then they can understand the totality of how Islam relates to non-Muslims. And if we understand that, then we can counter what they're doing. Um, but they see it in those two houses only. So we're in a perpetual house of war. Islam is in a perpetual house of war until every human being on earth submits to Islam and is governed by Sharia.

SPEAKER_01 19:29

Then and only then is there real peace. This is so good.

SPEAKER_02 19:35

Now, when you when you say these things to people you you meet when you're talking to them and training them, are you able to have you ever how often do you get a chance to speak to churches and share these things?

SPEAKER_01 19:46

To the to the leaders to the leaders of churches.

SPEAKER_00 19:51

So unfortunately, a lot of uh pastors um which are um the biggest stumbling block, um a lot of them don't have the spiritual discernment to understand what they're really dealing with. This is a spiritual battle first and foremost, and it's manifesting itself in what we're seeing today, especially through Islam. It's just pure evil. Um and they instead of standing and protecting their flocks and fighting against this evil, they're literally opening their doors to this evil. I mean, for instance, um you when you try to tell a pastor, you know, there this is what Islam is, they tell you, oh, you're crazy. You know, for for instance, like Quran 9, which they which is the um violent uh surahs or verses, if you will, uh in the Quran. And they overrode all the previous commands that deal with the same issue. Well, in Quran 9.5, for instance, it says, Slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captive, and besiege them, and lie in wait for them in every ambush. Quran 8.39, and fight them until there is no more fitna, which is uh unbelief or disorder, and religion is for Allah. And Quran 9.29, which most people know, says, fight those who believe not in Allah, nor the last day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah in his messengers. These are the Madonna War verses, and this is what Islam is today. And when you tell pastors that, they're like, they're looking through it through their Christian eyes, and they're like, oh no, uh, it's not like that. I I know this Muslim imam, he's a really nice guy. Um, and and they do a thing called interfaith alliance with these imams, and they have no idea what what's actually happening is in this interfaith alliance, um, they're being used. So if you do a little research on the interfaith dialogue or interfaith alliance on where it came from, They would understand and know communism and Marxism, which is antithetical to the Bible as well and the founding of who we are as a nation and America today. The interfaith movement started with the communists and Marxists in the late 1800s. I think it was 1890, 1892, sometime. And basically what they did was they sub were subverting the church from the inside out to replace the doctrine, the Christian doctrine, with more of a socialist or communist type doctrine. And they pushed for unity to make this happen. And the church fell for it. Proof of their success, El Adod, who converted to Christianity, she was a high-level uh communist agent inside the Communist Party inside the United States of America. And she literally told the government and the people listen, as a communist party, we searched hundreds, or if not thousands, of communist agents into all the mainline seminaries. This was back in the 50s and 60s. And today we're seeing the intentional outcome of that because we have homosexual pastors. We have pastors, churches, denominations that are supporting communist-Marxist agenda, which is antithetical to uh freedom and liberty, which is given to us from biblical values. Um they're allowing uh homosexual pastors in the pulpit, and they're pushing for uh socialism and Marxism and communism and telling the church it's okay to do that. This is the intentional outcome of what the communist agents did through the interfaith uh outreach or interfaith movement uh when the communists and Marxists had it. Well, a decade or two ago, they passed it over to the Muslim Brotherhood. Now the Muslim Brotherhood has a thing called the Interfaith Dialogue. They even wrote a book about it called the Interfaith Dialogue, a guide for Muslims. Now, the big first indicator of Hugh that this is in fact the Muslim Brotherhood deception operation they're using now. Um, on the foreword in the book, uh they literally thanked uh ISNA, which is the Islamic Society of North America, which was identified in the Holy Land Foundation trial, the largest terrorism financing trial in U.S. history, literally identified ISNA as a Muslim Brotherhood organization. And they also identified the Triple IT, which is the uh International Institute for Islamic Thought, also identified in the Holy Land Foundation trial. They were identified as being a Muslim Brotherhood group as well. And they literally, the uh the authors of the Interfaith Dialogue, a guide for Muslims, on how they train you to deceive pastors, rabbis, priests to fight for you when other Christians say speak the truth about Islam, to get in front of the Imams and the Islamic movement and fight back against you and attack you for speaking the truth. They tell them how to do that in this book. They literally thanked the Triple IT and Isna for their support, their moral and their professional support in the foreword of this book. So in my line of work, that's what we call an investigative clue. And they do it all under the guise get ready for this, quote unquote, unity. And these pastors, rabbis, priests fall for it. And what they're actually doing are being used by the Muslim Brotherhood to push the Islamic agenda, which we're seeing unfold today. I mean, it's just out of control. And and by the way, scripturally, I I know your your audience is uh is primarily Christians. I want to back this up with something. The Bible's very clear for us Christians. Well, a couple things. One, we even though we're commanded to love, when we love people, that does not mean that we compromise God's word. As a matter of fact, it says not to compromise God's word. Stand and fight for righteousness. That's real love. Um, but I want to point out some verses. Uh, Psalms 81 and 9, for instance, it says, You shall have no foreign God among you. You shall not worship any God other than me. God's very clear. You don't take on foreign gods. So why are these pastors today and these churches taking on Islam and supporting it and promoting it? Uh Genesis 35 and 2 says, get rid of the uh foreign gods that are among you. Joshua 23, 7, you must not serve them or bow down to them. 2 Kings 17, 35, uh, do not worship other gods or bow down to them, do not serve them or sacrifice to them. 2 Corinthians also echoes the same thing in the New Testament. So there's verses in the New Testament and the Old Testament that says, do not support these foreign gods, Islam. But so why are these pastors doing it? They're doing it through the interfaith dialogue and they're calling it unity and outreach. But see, in Islam, Dawah is how they reach out to you. That's they're commanded to invite you to Islam. That's what these Imams are doing. But they call it, Islam calls it a one-way bridge. They bring you over, you never go over to them. So we got to stop. We got to call it what it is and stand and fight for righteousness. Um, but they won't do it. And I can't help myself since we're already on the subject. I hope you don't mind, Bill. But I want to point out something else that's extremely important that especially pastors need to know, and Christians, because I hear this lie all the time. We all serve the same God. It's an outright lie. It's a deception. Yes, it is. It's been touted for years. Let me give you some proof. So the second most authoritative hadith, according to Islam, is the Muslim, the Sahih Muslim hadith. It's the second most authoritative hadith in Islam, according to them. The Heath, the hadiths are the recorded actions in what the Prophet Muhammad said what he did. So, in the second most authoritative hadith in Islam, it says that Muhammad said that the last hour would not come unless the Muslims will fight against the Jews, and the Muslim would kill them until the Jews would hide themselves behind a stone or a tree, and a stone or a tree would say, Muslim or the servant of Allah, there's a Jew behind me, come and kill him. My question is, how could that be the same God that says that? Be the same God that said, These are my chosen people. How can the same God of Islam be the same God of Christianity when Islam says you will not put anyone with the law, and if you do, you're to be killed immediately. But pastors and churches, Christians will say, oh well, but they said they believe in Jesus too. It's in the Quran, and they are correct, it is. They call him Issa, but they don't believe, this goes back to you got to look what Islam does, it says through the lens of Sharia, not the lens of your Western Christian eyes. Jesus is mentioned. But what they won't tell you is they believe he was a lower prophet than Muhammad. They won't tell you that they do not believe that he died on the cross and died for our sins. They will not tell you that they do not believe that he is the Son of God and that he will one day return for Christians. But what they will tell you, what they believe, is Jesus will return one day, but he's going to return as a Muslim and throw all non-Muslims into hell. Now, I'm not the smartest guy in the world, but to me that's pretty plain English. And not to mention, as an added bonus, Islam itself says that the greatest deceiver in Islam is Allah Himself. And Muhammad, historically and all the hadiths, he was a very deceptive and violent.

SPEAKER_01 30:22

Who's the greatest deceiver in the Bible? Satan.

SPEAKER_00 30:27

So we do not serve the same God, but Christians in churches support Islam without educating themselves on what the issue is. So to go back to your original question, we train pastors, churches, citizens, law enforcement, and others on this real threat using facts and their doctrine and their own words, what they say and what they do, and train them on who they really are and what their intentions are, what their plans are, and then how they can counter that. But until the citizens and our own government figures that out, we will never be able to counter what they're doing. And we're going to continue to see violence, and it's going to get a lot worse. And don't be surprised that very soon we don't have another 9-11 type attack here in the United States. And it's not because they're ISIS or Al-Qaeda, it's because they are commanded by Allah Himself to violently subjugate all non-Muslims. And impose Allah's divine law on earth. That is Islam's goal.

SPEAKER_01 31:38

And the communists, similar goal, just a different way to get there.

SPEAKER_02 31:44

Gosh, it just seems like the church is incredibly ignorant about this stuff. You never hear about this stuff in churches. You know, you don't hear churches doing seminars on this kind of thing and teaching the, you know, the negatives about Sharia and what what Muslims are trying to do here in the United States. And uh, you know, I know there's some people that know that have met Christ in the Muslim community, but um, you know, given the truth the trajectory of the way this is going, I mean, it's to me it looked it doesn't look good for us. You know, if I look at what's happening and the way this, the way this, the trajectory of this whole movement, the inertia of where it's going, it doesn't seem positive. It seems like we're losing the battle.

SPEAKER_01 32:29

And um I mean, we are.

SPEAKER_00 32:34

Um it's because you know, no God could very well come down here, the one true God. Could very well come down here, snap his fingers, and fix everything. But he's always worked through his faithful and obedient followers. That's the church, that's us. And until we allow God to work through us, and we do our due diligence and understand what we're truly fighting, and then allow the Lord to speak to us and lead us, guide us, and direct us where we need to go, we'll never be able to defeat it because we're not allowing God to work in us and through us. Um and we're coming down to the wire. We're literally um, I mean, we we're literally coming down to the wire. I mean, they have, because of our own ignorance um and our lack of spiritual discernment as Christians, um, we've laid back and allowed this to happen. Right. I mean, so I mean, you might as well say it's it's equivalent to what uh the Israelites did when they allowed Egypt to keep them a captive for all those years. Right. It wasn't until Moses was obedient to the Lord and let the Lord work through him before they were finally liberated. And even then, they wandered around out in the wilderness until they were finally completely obedient to the Lord and listened to him. Um so that's where we're at today. Um, I mean, this is a real enemy. It's a spiritual battle first, but it doesn't mean we as Christians we hide in our prayer closet, just pray and do nothing. We got to get out of the mentality of, oh, well, um, I mean, if if Goliath showed up today and was mocking the church like he did then, 99% of the church would hide inside the church and say, Well, bless his heart, let's pray for him. That's the wrong attitude. What we need to do when the Lord sends you to slay a giant, that's what you need to do. Get out there and slay that giant. But the church will do it. That's where we're failing today. But I would also like to say this: there are many, many Muslims that are captive. I know I said this a while ago, but we as a church, we do need to pray for them. But we need to stand up and be the church and be that shining city on a hill and let the Lord be that strong fortress where they can run into to get away from that captivity. But because the church and our own government and our own citizens are facilitating and supporting Islam, what we're doing is supporting their captivity. They don't know where to run to or what to do if they want to leave Islam. And so I I lay the blame at the foot of the church. And I'm a pastor too.

SPEAKER_01 35:03

It's our fault. And until we decide to change, nothing else will change.

SPEAKER_02 35:12

You know, uh I was I was heavily involved in the counter I call it the counter-Jihad for a number of years. I was working with Walid Ferrez, I was doing editing for him, I was writing for him. I was writing blog posts, putting them up on the web, and just basically saying what you're saying in so many words, that Islam is not a religion of peace, and that it needs to be exposed, and that the church needs to wake up to what it really is. And uh I did that for I probably did that for about 10 years, and then I heard David Barton speaking one night on the Glenn Beck program talking about this phenomenon known as the Black Robe Regiment, which I had never heard of. And it got me very inspired, so I started something called the Black Robe Regiment of Virginia because I realized that in order to secure liberty, I believe we need to secure liberty. The church has to do that, no one else is going to do it. That um we've got to get involved in a battle, we've got to get involved in a fight for this country. We've got to start putting a lot of things on the line for uh for what we really value. And so I started the Black Road Regiment of Virginia and then eventually called it the America's Black Robe Regiment as a construct under which to uh raise up chapters in various states. So we have chapters in a number of states, now about 20 states. And uh we're trying to increase the footprint of the Black Road Regiment where we get churches to to really stand up and contend and fight for the liberty that we've enjoyed, we've pretty much taken for granted in America. But, you know, it's it's a challenge to get churches to take on, uh, you know, you say the word fight, and churches get really, really kind of squeamish, you know. That's kind of a violent word, fight. But it's really not. You know, liberty is something you have to contend for, you have to fight for. It's not gonna save itself. The church has got to put itself on the line for that, you know, much like it it did at the beginning of the nation in the American Revolution. So anyway, um I love the things you're saying. You're you're you're you're really communicating the truth about Islam in a way that that I I have not heard anyone talk about it in a long time, but I really I really appreciate it. I really do. Um praise God.

SPEAKER_00 37:26

We're we're right in the middle of a of a battle, a war for the very soul of this nation and and and the world as a whole. And once the church figures the spiritual battle first, and then put feet to their faith, get out and do something in the name of Jesus, it's not going to change. The other side, they've got doctrine, they've got plans, they've got organizations and people willing to execute that plan, and that's what they're doing. On both, I mean, you the Islamic side as well as the communist and marxist side, they're literally have the same plan, and they've been executing that plan. I mean, uh if for your your listeners, uh they may still be sitting there saying, Well, I don't know, it just seems so harsh, and I don't believe it. I still believe Islam is a religion of peace. Well, because the propaganda's been pushed on for so long by everyone, including pastors and churches. But but they can take this and look it up if they want. Yeah. At least three phases of an Islamic takeover or a Muslim immigration, if you will, because Muhammad in Islam they say he's the perfect man for all people to emulate, specifically Muslims, and he was an exalted character standard of character according to the Quran. So they all follow him. And one of the things he did when he immigrated from Mecca to Medina, he changed his message as he went or abrogated it. So all those conciliatory, peaceful verses, those were overridden, abrogated by these Medina war verses. And as he grew in his numbers, he grew in his violence, and then the violence took over, and he forced other people to come in or be killed, and you could never leave. So he started by immigration, and and crazy enough, that's how the when the Islamic calendar started, AH, after Hijra or emigration, Mecca to Medina, um that's the same exact route that the Islamic movement is using today because Muhammad is the perfect Muslim. They're doing the same thing. So you could consider it phase one. There's a few of them that come over, and because there's not a lot of them, they're like, oh, we're oppressed, we're victims. Uh if you say anything about uh what uh Islam is or what the doctrine says, you're an Islamophobic, racist bigot. And by the way, Islam's not a race. It's what someone's called that's simply, or Muslim is not a race, it's what someone's simply called that submits to Islam. Islam's a complete way of life in their entire life. Entire life is governed by Sharia, Sharia law. So they demand that you be tolerant with them and they play the victim. And then in phase two, you get a larger minority, and then that's when they start threatening people. They start demanding that their food be halal, be prepared a certain way, because that's how it is in Islam. Uh they demand that you allow sharia law. They become intolerant of non-Muslims, intolerant of non-Muslims, or they call us infidels, Kufers, unbelievers. And then your third phase, normally your last and final phase, is where they get a clear majority. Now they have the numbers and they believe they're dominant, so they act that way. They act out in a militant, violent way. They impose strict Sharia law in uh Islamic enclaves in the United States, by the way, and they push out and try to push that on everyone else, which they're already starting to do today. And then you will see them kill non-Muslims, violently subjugate all non-Muslims, specifically women, by the way. And the the fact of the matter is the way they do this hasn't changed since Muhammad. So over 1,400 years, it's been the same pattern.

SPEAKER_01 41:43

And yet here we are today doing nothing. So looking at things the way they are and the way things are progressing, how much time do we have? I know it's hard to say, but I mean it's it's it's um. Are we seeing beheadings in the United States yet?

SPEAKER_00 42:08

I'm sure there have. There's have been reported. Um we train law enforcement. We ask them, normally the first question we ask them is sheriff or police chief or whoever, how many issues you got down in your Islamic community? Oh, none. We never get a call. Do you know why that is? Because they're adjudicating Sharia law themselves in the community. And by the way, in Islam, if you know Islam, Sharia law, one Muslim cannot tell off on another Muslim. It's called tailbearing. And according to them, if one Muslim tells off on another Muslim, it's punishable by death. So of course you're not going to get anybody to report to the police, to the sheriff, especially when the police or the sheriff or a specializing in charge of that area, if they get it reported to them, if they don't know, they're not going to do nothing about it. Or two, even worse, if they happen to be good friends with the local Imam, which they probably are because uh Hamas doing business as the Council on American Islamic Relations and other organizations, these Imams reach out to these law enforcement officials, these the leadership of these law enforcement officials, build relationships with them, and then they do like the um the head of the FBI did after 9-11, call called the the uh the imam of the mosque to ask them what they thought about the enemy that just attacked us. I mean, it's so they're they're not going to do it. So I don't see that we have a lot of time left. I would encourage your listeners, first and foremost, start praying and then put feet to your faith. Don't hang out in your prayer closet and do nothing. Put on your full armor and get out there and fight the good fight of faith. However, that looks legally and lawfully, by the way, legally and lawfully is what I'm talking about. Get out and fight the good fight of faith according to the direction the Lord gives you through your prayers and the prompting of the Holy Spirit. And if you're not willing to do that, then don't. complain whenever thing comes tumbling in.

SPEAKER_02 44:04

Okay, John, it's three o'clock now, I think. And we gotta we need to, I guess, let you break to what you had to go through next. So um don't want to keep you on here and hold you up any longer. Uh but I definitely want to have you back. I think what you have you've given us an incredible amount of of stuff today to to digest. So let's just let's just pray and close out this time. Father, thank you for this time with John today. Thank you for the truth that he's given us. I pray, Lord, that this truth would impact us, that it would change the way we live our lives, that we would take these things to heart and we go from this this podcast and and do the things that you've called us to do, Lord, that we can stand up for this nation in the way that we need to stand up for this nation and take this country back from the people that have really stolen it from us, God, from the people. And Lord we thank you for that. Thank you for John Lord bless him in all that he's doing prosperous prosperous his his work all he's putting his hand to and use him God in Jesus' name. Thank you, Father. Or we ask these things in Jesus' name. Amen. Amen. Thank you, Bill.

SPEAKER_00 45:09

Thank you for what you're doing.

SPEAKER_02 45:10

I'm glad we finally got this podcast to happen and uh I'm looking forward to doing it again. Amen. Thank you, brother