From Forced Labor Camp Survivor to Freedom Advocate: Janice Trey’s Story

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In this inspiring interview, Janice Trey shares her remarkable journey from surviving a forced labor camp in China to becoming a strong voice for truth, freedom, and justice. She discusses the importance of media integrity, the real dangers of communism, and practical solutions to help protect individual liberty in today’s world. Her story is a powerful reminder of resilience, courage, and the responsibility to defend freedom.

00:00 Introduction to Janice Trey's Journey
03:59 Life in a Forced Labor Camp
07:59 Escape to Freedom
11:17 The Seeds of Truth
13:33 Epoch Times and Journalism
17:51 SafeMeets: A Tool for Communication
22:12 Journey to the United States
29:09 The Importance of Voting and Civic Engagement
34:08 The Impact of Communism on Society
35:37 The Reality of Chinese Governance
36:32 Taiwan and the Threat of China
38:31 Transnational Repression and Tactics of the CCP
40:57 Infiltration and Control in Education
42:52 Chinese Influence on American Land and Resources
43:36 Risks of Chinese Acquisition of American Assets
44:49 The Reality of Forced Organ Harvesting
46:50 Personal Stories of Survival and Advocacy
55:56 Legislative Efforts Against Organ Harvesting
59:17 The Fight Against Evil and the Call for Action

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Transcript

SPEAKER_03 0:11

Well, welcome everybody to yet another Paul Speed podcast that we have every single week where we interview some of the most incredible, incredible people. And, you know, just enjoy this next interview because this woman, I had heard about her for years, met her very briefly at some of our previous meetings. But really, when I got to sit down with her and, you know, God created that wonderful introduction that we could spend some time together. But really, when you understand the mission behind this woman and the passion behind her and her experiences that she went through, you know, not only is Janice Trey the chairperson in Epoch Times, but she also is a survivor of the forced labor camp as a very young child. Um, but I'll go into her bio in just a moment. It reads as long as the encyclopedia. So I'm going to pick out some parts that I think are so fascinating. It's all fascinating, but truly, Janice, thank you so much for being with us today in this Paul's beat podcast. But Janice Trey is also her courageous journey began as a child laborer in a forced labor camp during China's cultural revolution. I can't imagine what that was like. An experience that really sparked her lifelong dedication to truth, freedom, and justice. And you're going to hear that is a common thread behind everything she does and everything she's still doing. And I believe the Lord has laid on her path to move forward. But she's also the chairman of the board of the Epoch Times, like I said, focusing on public relations and fundraising. But she also has held executive roles as five fortune global 500 companies, and among three, the top three in the executive sector. Now, not only is she married to an amazing gentleman, which we're going to be interviewing him next week, because I thought there's no way we're going to get both of you in one show and extract all the little nuggets that people can walk away with. But um, Janice, you've had such a colorful past, and yet your heart is so pure and you're so kind and you've held these incredible positions. So again, welcome to the show.

SPEAKER_00 2:25

Well, Lisa, thank you for having me. I also want to comment on your long journey that you never give up. And you uh your the first time I saw you, your energy is just like unparalleled and it's contagious. And I think people not only see you um on the podcast, but I hope people get to meet you in person and to really experience the energy that you're radiating all the time.

SPEAKER_03 2:54

No, you're so kind to say that. I could say exactly the same thing about you, but you know, when you have that burning inside of you that you want to reach, so excuse me. When you have that burning desire inside of you to reach the unreachable, and that's what you've been doing your entire life. And I I love to get the stories behind the mission, and that's one of the things we're going to do today. But when I sat with you and I was watching this beautifully poised woman talk about, you know, being in a forced child labor camp as a little girl. My granddaughter is three. You know, I think about what you went through with your parents, your mom, and you know, your brother, and how you escaped, um, and how that really drives you to today. And, you know, we were briefly talking about our youth in America today that they don't have any idea of uh what a communist nation looks like and how that actually works. And the idea of socialism and communism is something that we're fighting against, but it's like fighting this invisible, you know, enemy out there. But maybe you can just start there. Were you sharing with me as a young child what did that look like as Graj grew you into this incredible woman you are today?

SPEAKER_00 4:09

So my parents were engineers just because they were educated during the 10 years of cultural revolutions. We were put into forced labor camps. So my parents could not do engineering work. Uh my mom had to do sewing, my father had to work on uh on the farms, and um I was a forced child labor, first grade, second grade, third grade. The closest school was one and a half hour away by walking. There was no transportation, and the walking was through cemetery, rough field, climate hill, the school was on the other side of the hill. And my I had a naughty neighbor, he would throw stone to the bushes and a snake came out and I ran for my life. And I grew the sugar cane, I carry fertilizers heavier than myself. They, you know, put kind of like uh wood beams, and then you have both sides and then carry the fertilizers, walk up to the hill, the top of the hill, and that was where the sugar cane was. And then during harvest season, because they use hand tools to harvest the crops, so some crops drop on the field. So my task was to walk aisle by aisle in the crop field and pick up any crops that would drop on the floor. And if I could not fill up a full plastic bag of crops picked from the field, I could not return to school the next day. So uh it was um and also during the cultural revolutions, um you could only sing one song and one song only. Love the mousey tone who's the rising sun, no classical music, no Beethoven, Mozart, they destroy culture. I mean the systematic destruction of culture is very obvious in the Chinese characters with 5,000 years civilization. For example, the word love was composed of a roof, underneath the roof was people intervining, and then in between the roof and the people, the heart. And so the calmness version of the Chinese character, love, they removed the heart. So there was the roof, there was people, but no love. No hearts, and no heart was love without hearts. So it's a systematic um destruction of culture. And that's why when you and I met and we, you know, you have seen Shen Yun performing art, and Shen Yun performing arts bring back the 5,000 years of civilization. Yes, yes. And there was less than eight decades of communist rule in China, but 5,000 years without communism. And that's why people have to be in the audience seats to truly see the 5,000 years of wisdoms, the culture, and um, you know, I think something uh really, really important is not only an ancient culture, but so much wisdoms and so much lessons we can learn from it.

SPEAKER_03 7:22

So you went from when I was visiting with you again, I w I tried to recreate your story. You know, my daughter's a teacher, and I was trying to explain to her, and I I I didn't give it justice. You know, when she teaches fourth grade, you know, and I was talking about what you went through as a child, and she just was like, I, you know, you can't even get the kids to, you know, put their put their tools away at the end of the day, much less go and work in a field at, you know, second and third. I mean, you can't even we can't even comprehend that in this country. So you went from the and how did you to share with our audience a little bit about how you escaped, how did you and to give an idea of what was the date? Because this wasn't this long ago. People think, you know, we're talking about century, it wasn't that long ago what you when you went through this.

SPEAKER_00 8:11

So um I came 1990 to Hong Kong because my grandfather was uh successful bank, um, he had a successful banking career and he owned a bank. And during my mom's childhood, they were chauffeur, took her to Catholic school. And that was how successful his bank. But when communism came, they robbed his bank, they robbed his antique collections and uh his painting collections. So my grandfather fled to Hong Kong. And so later on, um, during the Cultural Revolutions, and also my grandfather was was getting older and um and needs help, and uh so we applied for immigration to Hong Kong, but we were uh trapped in China, so it took multiple years, and then in 1980 I finally was able to get to Hong Kong, and that was the first time I saw cartoon on television because during the Culture Revolution in the labor camp there was one and only one television set for hundreds of people. And there were two times that I watched the television, and everybody watched because we were required to stood in front of the television wearing something black for Mao Zitong and Joe and Nai's funeral. And we didn't have black clothes, so we had to cut a piece of black cloth and wrap around the shoulder. Oh my gosh! So my childhood image of television was like funeral and standing in front of the televisions until I got to Hong Kong. There was news, there was cartoons, there was reporters, and I was like fascinated by the news gathering because you did not have news. I mean, the only news I got was Taiwan. From Taiwan, they sent the balloons and they were paper slip on the balloons during the cultural revolutions, and I got I picked up one of those, and it's we don't ride our bicycles, we have uh private cars, we have refrigerators, we have washer dryers. I asked my parents, what are refrigerators? What are washer dryers, cars? There was only one and only one car. It was a military car in the whole labor cab. There was like an open truck. Like you stood on the truck, like with those seat belts. You stood there. That's what I remember. And uh so uh it was quite a contrast. So what I did in Hong Kong was I compared the textbooks of Hong Kong, mainland China, and Taiwan for the same historic period.

SPEAKER_03 10:57

Now, how old were you at this time?

SPEAKER_00 10:59

Um I was uh close to 10 and uh so nine, ten years old. And uh and that was the first time I have my birthday cake. Oh my goodness! That was the first time. No what a birthday cake, and that's the first time I know like uh the language of like apple, orange, like in English, that was the learning that. I mean, imagine that. But that actually planted the seeds, you know. So later on when I became the CEO of Epoch Times and NED TV, and then later on um the chairperson of the board, uh, it was like it feels like it was like God has planted the seeds early on, because I was seeking the truth at that point. Sharing the historic period, same historic period with a different version of the histories written by textbooks from three different locations.

SPEAKER_03 11:55

So I keep wondering which one So you already knew at a young age you were seeking the truth. God had given you that seed to start to continue to seek the truth, and you were looking at multiple publications and you were trying to find the truth amongst all of them, which is fascinating at such a young age. I mean, he really anointed your steps.

SPEAKER_00 12:18

Well, my father, um he self-study in high school because before communism came, he wanted to be an athlete and uh so he was pretty strong, but then they make him a forced labor to build roads and build and so he could not study and so he he was so determined. So he self-studied for the college exam and and got into college and studied engineering. So I guess I have the DNA for my dad to kind of like figure it out things yourself, even though you may not have all the resources given to you.

SPEAKER_03 13:03

So, you know, we look here and we look at this this beautiful, intelligent, well-accomplished woman, and we think about, you know, being the board chair of of Epoch Times, which by the way, thank you for everything you're doing because you're bringing you us just have headaches sometimes right now looking at uh how our media has gone so astray, you know, just in the last 20 years, how it's gone so astray from really telling the truth and true journalism and true information to now us being so it's it's propaganda again. You know, we're seeing so much of this again in our country. It's it must just make your headache.

SPEAKER_00 13:43

Well, if you look at many of the media, they were funded by maybe a billionaire, have a certain agenda, or even publicly traded, but kind of controlled by certain uh major shareholders, you know, uh certain narrative. But Epoch Times is an independent nonprofit, and our financial resources are primarily from the subscriptions. So we are accountable to the subscribers. We hold the truth, we're reporting the truth, and our journalists, some of them, have faced years of imprisonment in China because they're trying to break the news. I give you an example about COVID. We started reporting COVID uh December 2019, several months before the rest of the world knew about a pandemic in China.

SPEAKER_03 14:37

Yeah, I remember that.

SPEAKER_00 14:39

And we have subscribers who were traveling in China when they read Epoch Times and they used VPN to read Epoch Times when they were traveling in China. They saw the description of the pandemic, they changed the return flights to earlier flights, they escaped the lockdown, they survived. Whereas in goodness and their uh relatives on the same schedule return flights that didn't change the flights, they were perished in China. The death toll was like far more scale than what the government ever admitted. So our journalist was on the ground at the cemetery, at the funeral homes, and that's how you get the real statistics. And then we track the uh student enrollments, you know, your daughters, the teachers. I mean, the student enrollment is a reflections of you know the statistics at the real telling because at that time it was still, I think, one child policy, and people who put all the resources, you know, for the kids to go to be enrolled. So unless the whole family die or something happens, and then we also track the cell phone date, uh cell phone cancellations. Huge number of cell phone cancellations. So if I in China people do use cell phone to pay and all that. So if the entire family die of COVID, and those phones will discontinue. If it was just one person passed away, another family member may do something with their phones. Um choose that makes perfect sense. Yeah, so timely information, and in fact, Epoch Times reported the SARS-Reps disease back in 2003. We reported uh three weeks before Beijing finally admitted, we have hundreds of articles, and we forced the Beijing regime to admit the pandemics. And uh so timely information could save lives. And um our uh motto is truth, tradition, and hope. And we deeply believe in traditional journalisms. We present the facts and let the readers to make their judgments.

SPEAKER_03 17:03

So that's true journalism. I mean, that's the way it should be. It should be reporting on the facts, and then, you know, the the individual, it's just like, you know, anything else. You whatever you put in your body or you put around your body, you can make those, you know, nothing is mandated. I mean, then we went into this mandated situation in our country. And I know many people that have come from other countries like yourself, um, they are concerned, they have a great deal of concern because all of a sudden they're seeing some patterns emerge that might not be um telling to the average person out there because they've never experienced it before. But somebody like yourself and what you bring to the table, and so thank goodness for everything that you're putting together. And now you are also working on another freedom um of being able for people to communicate um through your safe paths. And um so maybe you could talk a little bit about that.

SPEAKER_00 18:02

Yeah, so Safe Meet S-A-F-E-M-E-E-T is really a gift for humanity. It's a one single tool that you can download from your iPhones or your Android phones, you know, in Apple App Store or uh Google Play Store. You can download it and you can download from your computer uh at save meat.us. One single tool that allows you to make phone calls, to do texting and video conferencing, like we're doing video conferencing now and all four things in one single app. So you don't have the exposure of moving from apps to app. And this single app, Save Meets, is the only one with two end-to-end encryptions that is free.

SPEAKER_03 19:00

Guys, are you listening to this? Because we have been struggling with it, doesn't matter if you're on Signal, it doesn't matter whatever of those apps that you are on. And we were talking about that before, Janice, how we think that they're so safe, but in actuality, we look at who they're owned by. Look at Zoom. I mean, look at some of these entities there and who their owners are and what their ownership is, and how that is impacting whether it is secure or not. This is super exciting. Everybody has to pay attention. Again, it's safemeat.com. We'll put all the information on the bottom there. But that's that's really fascinating. And then also it's international. Anywhere you can get an internet, correct?

SPEAKER_00 19:38

Yes. And um, even though you can make phone calls, it does not use cell phone tower at all. Cell phone tower is actually very high risk. And in particular, when you do internationally, the governments and whatever the cell phone company may monitor you and on the end. As long as the internet, we use a native call and it is you are in a totally encrypted environment. And save me, um, to decrypt Save Me content is by design frame-by-frame encryption, and then to decrypt there's a local key. The local key is only stored in your local device, meaning your phone or your computer. Okay. Meaning no third party, not the governments, not the Court Soprana, and not any of the hackers, or not even the Save Me developers are able to see your content at all. There's no saving, no storage. Unlike other big tech platforms, they want to monetize. They use phone number. And for Save Me, you only need the email to register because we want to verify that it's not a computer generated board. And we also want to inform you when we have upgrades, which we upgrade quite frequently. And you can even set up a new email just for doing safe meets, you know. So it's really important that people do not uh know that how unsecure the information they have in other platforms.

SPEAKER_03 21:14

No, we don't have any idea because again, it goes back to the propaganda, it goes I I uh you know, all about aggressive marketing. You know, they tell people certain things and and people are falsely feeling like they have this false sense of security. I was so excited about it when I spoke with you, and that's why I felt like people have to underst have to know this beautiful opportunity they have to safeguard their messaging. And that comes, that goes right back to you as a child and as you grow, you were as you were growing into you know, keeping and maintaining our freedoms. And now you as board chair with Epoch Times as well. So going back to when you left from the one uh area as you you finished your college, right? And then how did you get involved with all the women and you you're also on the the board of the Kennedy Center, so congratulations on that. And uh multiple other boards that she serves on, and she's a servant really to all mankind. But share with everybody what your journey was like then when you came to the States. I know you met your husband in Germany, right?

SPEAKER_00 22:23

Um, so I um I came to US because of the Tamman Square Massacre, June 4th, 1989. Remember students? Yes. That was the trigger point. My best friend was a medical school student. He worked on the ambulance at Tamman Square. And he personally took dozens, dozens of deeply injured students, dead bodies, and he couldn't complete his medical study, and he came to US and he he did medical research. It rather than the patient care. And when I first came, um I was um uh I was welcomed by the church, and uh my church mentor suggested that I should study accounting. I left I was at the University of Texas at Austin, so my mentor said, What would you like to major in? I said, I have no idea. And um so Noelle said you should go for the best because University of Texas Austin is ranked number one in accounting program in the nation. At the time they were eight uh top uh top eight uh public accounting firms, and then her suggestion is uh I should uh study accounting, go for the best, and also complete my CPA uh license as soon as possible. And then I can change to do anything else I want to do. And I follow her advice. So I completed my undergraduate degrees and my graduate degrees in a total of four years, working three part-time jobs concurrently, two throughout the school years, and then the third one in the beginning of the school year when the workload was not too heavy. And I financed uh three out of the four years of my education by working. And um so after graduation, I was a financial analyst. Uh during one of the part-time jobs, I was an accounting assistant and real estate assistant in property management, and I started uh financial analysis uh more on the real estate side, um, analyzing and developing the big price for a high-rise office buildings and all that. And uh so uh and then eventually uh I was helping uh executives um uh to um do financial planning, and then um I got involved with uh human resources and then working with human resources departments to figure out all the retirement plans and uh that the company had for the executives, and then they recruited me to work for them, so and then I said, okay, I should learn more about how things work, and uh and then uh before 30 years old, I was given an um expat opportunities to return to Asia. I was uh promoted to director level. I was in charge of like 13 countries and you know from Australia, New Zealand, India, Malaysia. Unbelievable, girl. Uh career, South Koreas and Japan and uh China, Hong Kong, Taiwan, Thailand, you name it. Um it was a great experience.

SPEAKER_03 26:00

It must have been surreal for you to go back to those places, right? That must have been kind of like kind of like surreal for you.

SPEAKER_00 26:10

It was I I did not anticipate that. Um but my boss at the time, you know, because I was based in the US and so she wants someone who's familiar with the corporate practices but speak the language in Asia and um and kind of um uh able to kind of the go-getter, you know. So I have a lot of energies and uh you do extensively, you know, among the 13 countries. And uh so it was uh uh it was really a great experience, but at the same time it gave me opportunity to really compare and contrast. So I make a dozen trips to India and China and India both like long civilizations, huge populations, but drastically different in terms of one is democracy democracy and one is total regimes, and one has free press. I went to the uh the press building in New Delhi and saw all different press. And um and I was uh a friend with uh Times of India's uh chairperson, uh Indu Jain. So she she took me under her wing and and um you know had various visits, introduced me to many people, and it was amazing. I mean, in India I met five of the former prime ministers in person, and that would be totally impossible in China, you know, even though I'm Chinese, I'm not Indian, but I feel like I have you know more access in India, and people welcome me to home, and you know, it was so I really learned that the difference is people can vote, people can choose, and you know choose the leader, and then after a couple years, they can choose again, the next leader.

SPEAKER_03 28:06

And that was what a concept, right? What a concept.

SPEAKER_00 28:10

So I I appreciate that. So I I always have the vote pin, you know. I will always mark the voting dates and make sure that I arrange my travel such that I can vote on the dates I I need to vote. I mean, that's such a privilege. And um and I guess and you know what?

SPEAKER_03 28:30

We've gotten so everything has gotten so muddied, the water has gotten so muddied, and we no longer look at that as the blessing and opportunity that it is, you know, especially with all the illegal illegal immigrants. I mean, I look at somebody like you that worked so hard to come to America and everything you went through. You know, you weren't you just didn't walk over the border. I mean, you went through a lot to come here and and to do what you're doing today. What are some of the some of the w let's say warnings or or things that you really want to tell people as we as we go into this next, you know, or going into the midterms or going into, you know, 20 the end of 2026. What are some of the things that you want to say to your fellow Americans coming from somebody that lived um, I would say, living hell in another country?

SPEAKER_00 29:20

I would encourage everyone, have the opportunity, have the rights to vote, go vote. Because that's your opportunity. Like when my son's first opportunity, he he reached the age he can vote. I want to make sure he votes, and he did, and I feel so proud of him. And it's you know, you have a chance, but also get involved and learn about the candidates. And um also maybe think of running for office yourself one day because it's everybody being passive, you know, somebody needs to lead, somebody needs to run for office, and it's a you know such a right, but also I I believe it's uh so important to be it is a privilege of a citizens, US citizen to vote. So I believe only US citizens vote, you know, not a citizen because when you naturalize to become a US citizens, you make the vow, you know, where you put US interests and you gave up. US does not allow dual citizenship, you give up other citizenships to become a US citizens. So that allegiance to US is very important. And so um in terms of elections, I would say election integrity is absolutely uh important because that's the trust.

SPEAKER_03 30:52

It's the critical, it's critical, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 30:54

And um we want you know fair elections and we don't want any interference from uh foreign countries or from you know whoever back actors because that's right, you know, that's the beauty of democracy, is you know, people can choose and it's based on the vote. I mean, nothing better than that in terms of able to uh elect and and it is uh such a beautiful concept. And uh and I I think that's why, you know, with the safe meets we will be able to help people in close societies. I love that. And we could have Bible study with people in close societies without all the civilians. And imagine if you could have Bible study with people from Russia, people from um China and even North Korea. You know, what a blessing. And when we believe we're created by the creators, you know, that they should have a choice for the faith, regardless of whatever faith they choose. In China many have chosen Falungong, which is a spiritual practice based on universal principles of true compassion forbearance. Unfortunately, just because they grew to such a huge number, 70 to 100 million in July 1999, that was the government statistics. Because at the time the leader Jan Zemin was so jealous of the fast-growing Falun Gong, and was uh because Jiang Zemin rose to power uh through brutality, and he was the mayor of Shanghai, overnight became the head of the Communist Party because he he persecuted the students. Uh you know, in Tiananced besides the Tiananced massacre, there were uh student movements across the countries, and he was mayor in Shanghai, he cracked down the student movement in Shanghai, and he was known as the Chinese healer with the bloody hands. Wow. When he visited uh NASA, uh Dr. Ding Shaying refused to shake hands with Jiang Zing and said that I'm not gonna shake hands, I'm not gonna shake it bloody hands, and that makes news. And so uh so Janseming was the one who started the persecution on Falangong, even though at the time five out of the seven polaroids opposed the persecution, and Jansamin used that as an opportunity to see who's truly loyal to him. And so with the brutal persecution, one thing that people are not aware is the peaceful nonviolence resistance since July 1999. I mean for so long and so large scale. I mean it's bigger movement and longer movement than the civil disobedience, you know, by Mahama Gandhi. And just because they practice truth, compassion forbearance, which is opposite to the communist ideologies of uh brutality propagandas. If you look at the seven plus decades of the Chinese rule, first they targeted the landlord, they promised the farmers they would take the land from the landlords and uh distributed to the um farmers, they never did. Um but those lands were in the hands of the Communist Party and then they start food rationing. When people's survival is a risk, then they will do anything. They will, you know, self-censor. And then the 10-year cultural revolutions, and then they targeted the students. 1989 was the year when the Berlin War came down, the year when the uh Eastern Europe's and Russia, you know, changed from uh communistic states to new communistic states. China was offered the same opportunity, but instead they rolled out a tank for students who have no weapons.

SPEAKER_03 35:06

And unbelievable. I remember I remember watching this from the states, thinking, you know, how can that be? How can they do this to their people? It was just uncomprehensive. We can't even comprehend that. You know, but now here we are in 2026, and you know, there's there's a different feeling in our country. So I'm so excited through your experience and through your voice, you can speak into this and try to wake people up. You know, communism and people believe that socialism is, you know, look what's happening right now in in New York. I mean, they believe that socialism is the way to go. And it's the equalization of mankind when it couldn't be any farther from the truth. I mean, you are a perfect witness into what you experienced, you and your family.

SPEAKER_00 35:52

The reality is that the government officials in China, they all send their kids to study in the US, you know. Yes. Right? And then they many of their either the children uh, you know, have green cats in the US. If they truly believe in communism, why would they, you know keep them there? Right? So they just use communism as a political tool. It's not true. And this the seven decades of the communist rule, you see brutality. And if you look around the world, there was not a single successful communist state. If you look at North Korea and South Korea, huge contrast. They are Koreans culturally, no difference, but it's the one is the total regime, one is the democracy. If you look at mainland China and Taiwan, they are Chinese, ethnic Chinese. And the only difference is, you know, Taiwan is a democratic society, the GDP is far better, far higher than in mainland China. And the what why people wondering why China want to attack Taiwan? Taiwan is just more islands. And is it for the land? No, I mean China gave away so much land to Russia. It was because Taiwan is a democratic society. And the communist propaganda has been saying that democracy is for the Westerners. So when the existence of Taiwan are tiny islands with democracy, so they want to eliminate. And they've been doing military exercise all the time, and they've threatened them, and they they they do a lot of infiltrations. And what we need to be mindful of is the Chinese Communist Party's tactics called Americans against Americans. This is the book that was authored in 1991 by uh Huang Huning, who's the current uh Politburo members, which is one of the top seven um people governing the country, and he has been the advisor uh to Jiang Zeming, Hu Jing Tao, and Xi Jinping. So the playbook of America's Against America is in full execution on American soil.

SPEAKER_03 38:25

And in fact, um repeat that because that is so important for everybody to understand. And this is what we are fighting. And like I said, it's the invisible giant. Say that again. I want everybody to understand.

SPEAKER_00 38:41

So the tactics of America's against America, that's the playbooks by Huang Huning, the Chinese Politburo, who's been advisor to uh Jiang Zhen Ming's uh Hu Jing Tao and Xi Jinping. And this is called the Transnational Repression on American Soil. So let me give you a few examples. Um Shen Yin Performing Arts that I mentioned very briefly is a nonprofit. You know, they have reached about 15 million people in the world, and each year another new one million uh members watch the show. It's like everybody rave about it and enjoyed it and have seen it. And uh so they're trying to bribe IRS agents to remove the nonprofit status of Sheny Performing Arts. Uh fortunately, in this case, the IRS agents that they tried to bribe was uh FBI agents. So, you know, the uh the Chinese agent was put to justice, in jail. And they have done uh bomb threats, sled tires on uh Shen Yin buses, and the most recent one and stay in Canada, in Toronto, they use a bomb threat, and the police came and checked, and there was no bomb, but then they cancel not only that show, but the rest of the show. That's like it's no bomb. If someone wants to do a bomb, they will not give you alerts, they will just bomb threats, right? So a bomb threat is you know that it is a fake one. What they try to do is stop people from going to see that, right? Wow. And so why is the Chinese Communist Party so afraid? Just the performing arts, it's a beautiful performing arts. You know, if you have something better, you can you can you know you can rent the venue, you can show, but why do you stop people from seeing? Because the Chinese Communist Party is so afraid of the narratives, will become naked in front of the audience because that's they spend a lot of money lobbying. So in 2022 alone, 60 million US dollars lobby US Congress. One year alone, 60 million dollars. And so this is systematic infiltrations, you know, they have been honey traps, and they have been the transnational repression is very widespread. They have influence, you know, politicians, they have um get into school, like in the name of teaching Chinese, they have the confusion institutes that implant into colleges and high schools uh in the name of teaching Chinese. I'm bilingual, my first language is Chinese. I'm fully capable in teaching Chinese, but they will never hire me because they want to control the narrative. They only import teachers from mainland China. Wow. And I have read the textbooks of the uh Confucian Institute is full of propaganda. They even send a song come praising the Communist Party. And people want to learn Chinese and they have no idea. So if there's a song they teach them and they they learn it. Goodness.

SPEAKER_03 42:07

So they're singing the communist songs, don't know what they're singing, and they're going along with the narrative and they have no idea what they're learning. That is, yeah, that's perfect for China. It makes sense. But we sit here, and I remember it was back in probably about tw uh oh golly, maybe 15 years ago, and I had a client that we were working on um, we had a f we were making products on a fabric, and that was my first real big uh ha Janesis when we were trying to find cotton fields in America that were d that were privately owned. You know, this individual wanted to buy the cotton fields in order to make his product. And did you know we could not find at that time farms that were that were harvesting and growing cotton that didn't have any kind of Chinese attachment to it? So think about that. How much of our land and our resources are being bought and owned and purchased by China, by China?

SPEAKER_00 43:13

They do mergers and acquisitions. I mean m in my career I have done more than 50 mergers and acquisitions. The biggest single transition was 4 billion. And so I've seen quite a variety. And Chinese Communist Party would strategically, for example, buy one of the big food companies that they have farms next to the military base. So all they need to do, they need they don't need to acquire individual land next to the military base because that's too obvious. They just buy American drones that's you know that's next to you know close proximity to the military base. And they can fire drones. We are living in a time. that everybody should really pay attention because the China Scummer's Party and not only the China Scummer's Party but any of the terror states, they could easily poison the reservoir. They can easily attack the transformers for our power plants. That's right.

SPEAKER_03 44:20

We've been hearing about that for a while.

SPEAKER_00 44:22

And they could use EMP to destroy the electronics systems. And so very high risk, you know, not only we can stock food and stock uh waters, but I think we have to pay attention. But we really need to get to the root cause only when we eliminate communism and all the terror states once and for all otherwise it's like a bomb right there. And think of you know North Korea, you know, they have nuclear weapons and it's very risky because they kill people with their blinkings. And Communist China have nuclear power and they have a huge underground facilities because they were planning for nuclear. Because the deeper in the ground you know is safer, less radiation. And that's why in Tim and Square Massacre, all of a sudden how do so many tanks pop up without seeing the satellite images of them moving because they were huge underground facilities so they could pop up quite quickly. And that's how you know force organ harvesting took place using the underground Okay guys so this is interesting.

SPEAKER_03 45:38

We're going to give them a little nugget on what we're going to talk about next week. You know Janice and I had so much to visit about but as somebody that was a nurse for 27 years before I went into natural medicine I was I sat there and I I after we visited I boarded on my plane and I prayed the whole time thinking about the things that you shared with me not only from an aspect of the you know the suppression of our Christian brothers and sisters but also the gravity of what is happening right now with forced organ harvesting. And and folks this is real. This isn't something it isn't from you know the next greatest movie um this is something that is happening actively in China. And what I'm concerned about which we touched upon is how do we know that it isn't going to happen here in the United States and isn't happening. And your husband is a huge advocate of this and he was your husband now was up for was it five Nobel three times nominated for Nobel Peace Prize. Yeah 2016 Can you get a more power couple than you two you guys are amazing and they're they're absolutely fearless. I asked her I said are you ever afraid are you are you have you ever been attacked?

SPEAKER_00 46:57

And and you said yes yeah I mean multiple times I mean but um but I would never bend down I mean I am lucky enough to survive the forced labor camp in China I could have been killed during the Tian Sui massacre I could probably be killed because of the persecutions of people and the fact that I'm alive in front of you Lisa and the audience I will give a voice to the voiceless. I mean until my last breath I will give the voice to the voiceless because good and evil good will prevail. But we have to join hands to eliminate evil once and for all other people you know the Falcon practitioners because they don't drink they don't smoke so their organs are being targeted. No one wants to smoke a slung no one wants an alcoholic person's liver or kidney. And so just because they have a healthy lifestyle they actually treat the person as like spare parts body parts and medicine is being abused as you know a way of violence. So and it is in large scale you know for transplant you not only need to me uh match the blood type but also the tissue type so you need large number of people so when they saw 70 to 100 million people they can slaughter them on demand based on blood type tissue type they can take people from the hospital and not from a hospital but from their home from their workplace from the schools they can arrest them anytime. So the brutal persecution I personally have interviewed a head nurse who refused to blood being drawn and nigh gods press her down to force the blood withdrawal and she described that they used uh the syringe that was for animals much bigger than for humans because they want to draw more blood very quickly and then they can match multiple potential you know um organ recipients I have also interviewed uh another uh researcher who worked for the top research institute in Asia he was put in a hospital the whole floor was cleared out and he saw the patient who will be getting um his organs and he overheard the conversation and they plan to do it right after the shift they do it at night and overheard the conversation but luckily his wife uh has been calling mobilizing uh friends outside China and making phone calls because it's a very renowned uh research institute the the best one the best known in Asia and so many phone calls uh to the research institute because he was taken when he was at work and oh my gosh so because of the pressure and the research institute did not want to not be able to answer to to all the international inquiries of what happens um his life was safe and I interviewed him and so there were a survivor I have an I interviewed another survivor he was um uh he was cut open and then but the organ recipient died and so he he sold him up like he was cut open ready to take the organ but before you know the organ removals you know the so that was a lucky uh escape and then there was uh another one who um had parts being taken and he when the guard was like sleepy for asleep or so when he finds ways through the bathroom in order he's somehow able to escape and you know so and um when I when my husband and I went to the World Transplant Congress in 2006 that was July August 2006 and we met many transplant surgeons I met Dr. Wei Liu of the Tianjin Oriental Transplant Center at the time I asked Dr. Weiliu I said how many uh what's your specialty Dr.

SPEAKER_03 51:33

Liu and he said liver I said how many liver transplants you personally have been involved there were hundreds over five hundred and I said how many transplant centers uh in the city uh in your city you know Tianjin is a second year city is at three I said how many trans transplant centers in over China at the time 2006 summer 2006 over five hundreds imagine a single liver transplant surgeon personally have done over five hundreds and then um the next day it's um the some of the transpond sur this is just to put it in perspective I just want everybody to understand so I was a trauma nurse for 27 years and we had I was after we were talking and I went back and I was I was talking to a couple of my other nurse friends I said of all the years that we were working in trauma and ERNICU how many times did we send out organs? Did we have organ transplants um the need for them?

SPEAKER_01 52:48

In twenty seven years.

SPEAKER_03 52:51

Now if you think about that it might have been just where we were located it might have been whatever but if you're talking about you know somebody doing hundreds and hundreds of liver transplants Janice that just right there it doesn't make any sense.

SPEAKER_00 53:08

It doesn't I mean Tanjing Oriental Transplant Center the entire building doing transplant and transplant only and in Asia people believe in reincarnations they don't want missing parts in the next life so people will not donate unless you may donate your one kidney to your very close relatives and you know very dear friends but they wouldn't trust the system. Red Cross tried for decades there were less than 50 you know donations. Wow and so how could they sustain a transplant center the untime building doing transplant and transplant only so in the 2006 World Transplant Congress um the next day I uh I sat next in an award ceremony I sat next to researchers from Hamburg University he's a Chinese but was working in Germany and so he I I said that was really strange last night at the reception there were so many Chinese faces Chinese surgeons how come they disappear oh they've been picked up by pharmaceutical companies to go to go to Hawaii and I said then why are you here? Oh I have a post a poster presentation tomorrow so I'm still here and I and then he told me he got two job offers to set up two new transplant centers in China and I said you can't have a second child you know in Germany and Germany paid really well why would you want to go back he gave me a price tag. I mean it was astronomical where's the organ source people donate as different from US and and you don't have a a comprehensive donation system and so on and you know so no way and China is pretty big I mean it's you know when someone die from those places and you know to to to transport you know I mean a heart outside the body for a couple hours you know it's not usable. It's not like you can refrigerate and use it later right so he asked me to go outside the Boston Convention Center. He said you'll find your answer. So I went outside and I saw the different transplant centers in China the screenshots and where they guarantee uh two to six weeks a match organ, match blood tight tissue types and there were price tags you know like a sixty thousand dollars for a kidney and twenty thousand dollars for a kid and these and these are just so everybody understands what she's saying is they were giving a menu uh of different organs that they could purchase and this would be somebody personally going right going and purchasing a liver for them or their loved ones or their kidney or lungs or whatever.

SPEAKER_03 56:06

So it's like a menu. So you can see where where the the gravity I it just it just blows your mind. They it blows your mind.

SPEAKER_00 56:20

Yeah so they do it on demands that's what they have done uh but we have a chance to stop this because there's a Senate bill 4009 and uh write that down everybody 4009. Yeah so it's Senate Bill uh initiated by Senator Techruz and with uh Senator uh Mercury and so it's a bipartisan bill so ask your senators you know to support to co-sponsor Senate Bill 4009 you can stop the forced organ harvestings you can avoid American medical communities to be complicit in this and it will require State Department to produce reports about this matter which is looking forward to execute this because Secretary Rubio when he was senator he was well aware of the situation in fact he was the initial co-sponsor of the bill when he was a senator so we can save lives and when people are being killed on demand this can happen in China in in US as well there's like the secret Chinese police stations. Of course it can right and then they could be um you know doing it in the Caribbean you know they could and it's really important because if people are being killed on demand for the organs that means the government is a state sponsor act and they don't care about your survival and so they may give you a not perfect match organ so that they can make second they they take your money anyway you have to pay first before and whether you survive or not afterwards. So um you know um David late um uh former speak uh former deputy speaker of the House of Commons and former secretary of state for Latin Americans and Asia Pacific uh David Kugel he personally uh interviewed a patient who had eight sets of kidneys two kidneys didn't work and then get another transplant and then another transplant and he had to pay every time yes but think of eight people die so it's the it's really the um the most evil uh thing that's happening when people like it become a body parts it's like almost spare parts you know like think of like a vehicle you get you know spare parts and but uh we need to stop this and we also need to end communism because communism is antichrist and that's right created by the creators and people need the basic rights to choose their faith whether they're um Christians Catholics and Jewish or fellow you know unless they should have the choice and so it's really important and I would strongly encourage everyone to use SafeMeats because not only you download it you can save your financial records your records in a secure way but you can also communicate you can do Bible study with people in China in Russia we support 40 languages and so Spanish Portuguese Russian Chinese Japanese and uh wide range and so that's incredible we I think the only thing that evil worry is being exposed and we can take action to stop and what you're talking about is communication you know the what Charlie Kirk Charlie um what he stood for or Charlie Kirk stood for was let's have dialogue let's have communication so that's the one thing that the enemy is trying to stop is communication between all of us because if we don't expose things like we're doing on these podcasts then the average person has no idea because we have a lot of propaganda around us right and so I really appreciate everything you're doing.

SPEAKER_03 1:00:35

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SPEAKER_00 1:02:59

Wonderful thank you so much Lisa thank you appreciate you and uh keep up the great work and it's uh we have to keep fighting.

SPEAKER_03 1:03:07

Yes we do we sure do thank you so much and God bless