A viral Costco sweatshirt and wait, now we are ditching maxxing?

A viral Costco sweatshirt sends Dr Jeffy and husband down a nostalgia rabbit hole of other items and revived beauty brands. Perhaps we're experiencing a backlash to health “maxing,” including some young people ditching fitness trackers. Concerns about teens obtaining and promoting “research-only” GLP peptides and the dermatology-related effects of GLP use. The new Target Beauty Studio is coming your way soon! Sheet masks and products for “ages 0+"?! Listener Q&A includes Dr Jeffy's own cosmetic procedures, handling online hate, and recommending hypochlorous acid spray for teen athletes.

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SPEAKER_04 0:24

Welcome to another episode. Um, let's get into it. It is like a hundred degrees Fahrenheit right now in the city that we live in, and you're sitting here wearing a sweatshirt. You want to uh say anything about this sweatshirt, you weirdo?

SPEAKER_00 0:44

Well, you know, I don't like breezes on my skin, so I need a sweatshirt. But yeah, this is a pretty cool sweatshirt. I don't don't know if you guys have seen it yet, but I am wearing the viral Costco esprit sweatshirt, the one in white with the multiple colors of the esprit logo. Yeah, Benjamin here picked this little beauty up for me from Costco recently. Uh come on, you other Gen X women. You guys have this, right?

SPEAKER_04 1:20

They must, because all I've heard about is how it's all sold out everywhere. So everybody has one.

SPEAKER_00 1:26

Yeah, well, you know who didn't have one back in the day? Me.

SPEAKER_04 1:29

Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:31

Yeah. So this is pretty badass now. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:34

Uh just took about It's a little late, but 35 years to uh catch up.

SPEAKER_00 1:42

Yeah, something like that. I uh remember that I had a friend who had all this esprit stuff, and I was so freaking jealous of her.

SPEAKER_02 1:54

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:55

And I never had a single bit of espree. So it was like a spree she wore all the time that was so cool. And then there were also, you know, these kids that wore all this Benetton stuff that was kind of like in the mix with the spree.

SPEAKER_04 2:11

Probably keep our eyes out for the next Costco Benetton sweatshirts and tops.

SPEAKER_00 2:17

Maybe Costco. That would definitely be something to look into.

SPEAKER_04 2:22

They know their market. That's what they'll do.

SPEAKER_00 2:24

Um Yeah, and it's crazy. Like you said, they're sold out, and now people like, you know, I'm in these, you know, physician groups on Facebook of like doctors who are into fashion or like, you know, there's all these groups for various topics. Of course. And like this sweatshirt is like all the talk. All the rage. People go to their Costco, buy them out, sell them in this group.

SPEAKER_04 2:47

I mean, Oh, people looking to turn a profit.

SPEAKER_00 2:49

Well, I don't know so much that they're like looking to turn a profit, but they're trying to help each other out. I'm sure that there are turn a profit situations out there.

SPEAKER_04 2:57

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 2:57

But yeah, I highly recommend.

SPEAKER_04 2:59

But I think this is just Well If they're not yeah. So you're saying it's a nice sweatshirt. You get to fulfill your espree dreams that you can live when you were a kid and were actually popular. Were they primarily I mean, I remember these clothes just seeing them like as far as ads, maybe on some people. But my friends didn't wear them. Were they primarily girl clothes? Women's fashion's fashion.

SPEAKER_00 3:24

I think definitely a spree.

SPEAKER_04 3:25

Um I think maybe Benetton had a more of a Oh well I'm talking specifically about a spree right here, but yeah, I guess.

SPEAKER_00 3:31

I don't remember a spree for men, honestly.

SPEAKER_04 3:34

Okay. So that would explain why teenage may or little kid may didn't see it.

SPEAKER_00 3:40

You weren't like pining for some espree girl. Was there a brand that you aspired to have?

SPEAKER_04 3:48

Oh.

SPEAKER_00 3:48

At that point? Like was this much I mean, for like girls, there were all kinds of brands. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 3:53

No, I mean there was guest jeans were always huge.

SPEAKER_00 3:57

Like you wanted guest jeans.

SPEAKER_04 3:59

Oh, I didn't probably, but I don't I didn't get 'em. I didn't I don't remember begging for them either. I think it was probably understood that we're not paying that kind of price for jeans in this family. So you can here's your here's your Lee.

SPEAKER_02 4:15

It was Lee?

SPEAKER_04 4:16

Or I don't know. I'm just throwing out a brand that is probably much cheaper than guests.

SPEAKER_00 4:21

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 4:22

So anyways.

SPEAKER_00 4:24

Yeah. I mean, I think like Jordash was like kind of cool for a while when we were growing up.

SPEAKER_04 4:33

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 4:33

Uh Levi's, you know.

SPEAKER_04 4:35

Yeah, Levi's always consistently like cool or definitely not uncool.

SPEAKER_00 4:42

Yeah, I mean, I definitely had a couple pairs of guest jeans, but it you know, I definitely wanted more. And that's not predominantly what was in my wardro wardrobe. It was probably like some Target jeans. You know, it was like very cool to get to go to Target and shop.

SPEAKER_04 4:57

Oh, wow. Yeah. Well, I didn't enjoy shopping, so whatever was brought home to be born was all I got. But I can't complain if I'm not gonna go out.

SPEAKER_00 5:08

Yeah. So I mean, there's a couple of brands like this, like uh Coach in the last couple years has The Purse Maker. The purse maker, yeah. I mean, which obviously they make other things too.

SPEAKER_04 5:19

They all kinds of stuff.

SPEAKER_00 5:21

But some of their purses have enjoyed a very kind of nostalgia induced uh Resurgence. Resurgence.

SPEAKER_04 5:30

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 5:31

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_04 5:32

Um You're a big fan of bags.

SPEAKER_00 5:34

I am a big fan of bag fan of bags. Um, you know, there's kind of like different levels of brands and bags you're gonna carry.

SPEAKER_04 5:44

Of course, like anything else. Am I were we about to start seeing a bunch of coach brands?

SPEAKER_00 5:47

Well, I'm just saying like coach had kind of I think fallen.

SPEAKER_04 5:52

Oh, I see. In the ranks.

SPEAKER_00 5:54

You know, and now in like reasonably cost bags, I think it's kind of popular, especially I see people, you know, younger, um, especially like people like my age with like teen daughters, they're buying their kids their teens coach purses, so they're cool to that age group. Got it.

SPEAKER_04 6:16

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 6:17

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 6:18

Um So then you old people will start to get them again. And then they won't be cool anymore because now you guys have them.

SPEAKER_00 6:27

Well, I don't know. I mean, that's an interesting thought. I think we just maybe kind of enjoy them by proxy with the children. I mean, I don't I'm not trying to sound like a snob here, but you know, depending on what sort of things and brands you're into, I'm not sure as like a 50-year-old woman coach is what I'm gonna go to, unless I'm really trying to satisfy a nostalgia-induced dream of some particular bag, sort of like this espree shirt. Got it. You know, if that does that kind of make sense what I'm saying here. Yeah. Sure. Sure. All right. Yeah. I was a very big Liz Claiborne fan back in the day.

SPEAKER_04 7:10

Oh. Another bag. That was a fashion company, is a fashion company. I mean, I honestly don't know if they still exist. And clothes. I mean, they ran the gambit. Did they have fragrances and beauty products and they had fragrances?

SPEAKER_00 7:25

I honestly, I think they had clothes, like some accessories primarily, maybe. Maybe they had clothing, but definitely fragrances, definitely bags. That was definitely something very big for me in high school. Maybe that's the next thing that we'll we'll see returning. I honestly don't know if as a company they still exist.

SPEAKER_04 7:43

Well, those Claiborne bags. All right, we'll keep an eye out. Anything else that's all the things that are old are new again. And that's just a cycle of things that, you know, if you live long enough, you see it enough.

SPEAKER_00 7:53

But what's yeah. Uh another thing that I've been seeing trending, talking about on social media, sort of nostalgia-wise, is sun-in.

SPEAKER_04 8:03

Sun-in. What is it? What's that? I don't I don't know that.

SPEAKER_00 8:07

Yeah. So sun-in is a product that you spray into your hair to lighten it. So like you sit outside, you spray it on your hair, you sit outside, you it's You have to spray it in your hair outside? Well, you have to go outside in the sun.

SPEAKER_04 8:22

Oh, oh, you spray the product in your hair, then go outside, and with the help of the sun, you get a reaction. Right.

SPEAKER_00 8:28

Oh. It lightens your hair. So it it's I mean, very 80s. Uh you know, I remember seeing ads for it that were, you know, super 80s flair, and it was just like the thing to do when you were a teen and you wanted to like get a couple highlights in your own.

SPEAKER_04 8:47

So this would just be highlights. This isn't dyeing your hair.

SPEAKER_00 8:50

Right.

SPEAKER_04 8:50

So just a couple of hairs that this product lands on will start to maybe change color or lighten up.

SPEAKER_00 8:55

Yeah. So it's actually hydrogen peroxide essentially.

SPEAKER_04 8:59

Oh, okay.

SPEAKER_00 8:59

So you're spraying that in, and then with the help of the sun, it helps to lighten it even further. Um, but things can go really wrong also with this product.

SPEAKER_04 9:09

Is that what I was gonna say? Why did it come off the market? Why is it making a comeback? Because you must have had a downfall.

SPEAKER_00 9:15

I don't know that it ever 100% left. I think it just, I mean, I think the product has been available since then, but I think it just kind of fell out of favor. And now it's getting picked up again and kids are making it cool again. Um, but I know adult women my age who have continued to use it.

SPEAKER_04 9:34

Okay. Um like just like that never left their cabinet in their bathroom.

SPEAKER_00 9:40

Right. And they're like, oh, it's summer. I wanna, I'm gonna spray this in and just, you know, kind of see what happens. But uh and I guess it's largely fine if you have light hair, you know, light brown or, you know, blonde hair, primarily, it's gonna lighten up a little bit more. But things can go really wrong when it's someone with darker hair, like, you know, if you sprayed this on your hair, it would basically turn it probably more like red because it's not gonna like completely bleach it out. Um, it is only gonna lift off some of the color. And so it's gonna leave it lighter, but not blonde.

SPEAKER_04 10:16

So I could get some red highlights.

unknown 10:18

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 10:19

Brunettes can get a little red mix.

SPEAKER_00 10:21

I I mean, I don't know how attractive that look is. You could also get more more, you know, more like an orange tinge to it.

SPEAKER_04 10:28

So anything goes these days.

SPEAKER_00 10:29

So But yeah, it was like classically, like, you know, the blondes are using this to their highlights and look more sun-kissed and you know, live that.

SPEAKER_04 10:39

I live in the beach. Beach. I'm at the beach every day. Got it. Okay.

SPEAKER_00 10:43

Mm-hmm. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 10:44

Um but there's no harm to the hair or the hair follicles or the scalp with this, is there? It's just damages or changes the the color structure of your actual hair.

SPEAKER_00 10:55

Yeah, I mean, I I do think it probably does dry out your hair a bit. I mean, hydrogen peroxide is somewhat drying. So I'm not sure it's the key to the healthiest strands. But, you know, I think if you're probably using conditioner and hair masks like many women are using, you could probably get away with it.

SPEAKER_04 11:14

But um So use a good conditioner with it.

SPEAKER_00 11:18

Yeah. I'm not advocating the use of it. I'm just saying it's getting talked about more.

SPEAKER_04 11:22

It's coming back. And it's not like a new formula. It's just the same old stuff.

SPEAKER_00 11:25

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 11:26

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 11:26

And, you know, one one thing I I kind of wonder about and I've seen people talking about is like, is it because our kids like going to this, teens, whatever, going to this, because um it is like promoting being outside and associated more with like that healthy lifestyle that people are kind of, you know, trying to go for these days, kind of along with the whole movement of more sun exposure and whatever. But and just maybe they're using it like more this forces us to be outdoors, and maybe goes along a little bit with some backlash that is starting to be seen online to the whole like maxing movement, where you know, you're spending more out time more time outside, more time in nature, and uh kind of again, a backlash to some of these ways we're optimizing our health. So there's apparently in teens uh in early um, you know, 20s and 30s, um movement of like getting rid of their Apple watches, for example. So they don't want to see all of these fitness tracking, right, parameters and like the stress that that is initially put putting on them.

SPEAKER_04 12:40

Yeah. If you yeah. You're living by it too hard.

SPEAKER_00 12:43

Yeah. So good and bad. I mean, I don't think I think in people our age, like maybe there would be less of a desire to get rid of those parameters, right? Because like we're closer to the end and we're trying to like optimize as much as possible. That's right. But maybe these younger, you know, generations are kind of realizing, you know, I just need to be healthy. I don't have to focus on all these parameters so much right now. Right.

SPEAKER_04 13:13

And whereas, yeah, well, maybe that'll drop the price for us old people. We can get all the fitness gadgets and stay on top of our declining health as we age.

SPEAKER_00 13:24

Yeah. So I don't know. I think that's that's kind of interesting.

SPEAKER_04 13:28

Yeah. All right. Well maxing might be on the way out, or at least some of it. Unfortunately, it's not the bone smashing crazy maxing that seems to be on the way out. It's the uh health and fitness, the actual good stuff you want to max.

SPEAKER_00 13:43

But well, maybe it's just the start of the pendulum kind of swimming.

SPEAKER_04 13:50

Well, we can hope.

SPEAKER_00 13:52

Yeah. But kind of along those crazy lines of of maxing is um in in the GLP world. Right.

SPEAKER_04 14:02

That's ever growing in popularity, right? I mean, that's just huge.

SPEAKER_00 14:05

Yes, but also apparently in teens.

SPEAKER_04 14:08

Of course. They can't be left out.

SPEAKER_00 14:11

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 14:11

And these aren't like not for obesity. Yeah, exactly. Why are they using it?

SPEAKER_00 14:23

Kind of in this like hacker space. There are some of them who, I guess, you know, are the opposite of the pendulum swing we were just talking about, right?

SPEAKER_04 14:32

Being put further to the crazy side.

SPEAKER_00 14:34

Yes. Um, the the person that I was particularly reading about, who is an influencer on uh TikTok, a teen that does this, he actually did start by using it for weight loss, which great. I mean, obesity in kids is linked with a lot of terrible things later on, just like adults. Um, you know, so I don't necessarily have a problem using it with that. Now, we maybe don't know all the repercussions of continued use for that in like a kid who's still I mean, even adults, but like evolving their metabolic habits and you know, whatever. Um, but he has continued apparently to use it um and to try to sell it to other people, which is really the problem because who know, you know, these are not, he's not trying to recommend it. It's just for people who are overweight. He's basically basically selling it to his followers, which presumably are like him.

SPEAKER_02 15:34

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 15:35

And, you know, he just links to this research-only peptide store. And that's crazy. You can just buy research-only GLP one trzepatide is the one I immediately saw on the site.

SPEAKER_04 15:50

So you can just do that as a kid. There's no background checks, there's no license number, there's nothing you need to put in.

SPEAKER_00 15:56

You can just Well, that's how even many adults get some of these things. Now, the GLP ones are easier to get now, not in the research only, you know, side of things, because um, you know, they're approved by the FDA. So you can get, even if you're not getting a brand to name one, you can get a compounded one, which is going to be more legit than something labeled research only, which means it's only been it's only supposed to be used in animals, you know. Who knows about the purity? I mean, it's just it's not regulated.

SPEAKER_02 16:27

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 16:28

So, but a lot of these peptides that people get, they are from these sources because they're not FDA approved. So um these different um um growth hormones stimulating peptides, things like that, like you are getting them from a research only website. Like there's not a legit way to get them, even like as a physician. Right. So it's terrifying to me that like kids are selling this to other kids. Right.

SPEAKER_04 16:55

And then kids are so easily influenced.

SPEAKER_00 16:58

You have to dilute these things, and do they know how to do that? And then they're injecting themselves.

SPEAKER_04 17:03

I mean, like it's just it's a whole supply of needles and great.

SPEAKER_02 17:11

Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_04 17:12

So now a little pivot here. Uh GLPs, are you seeing in the office dermatology patients having any repercussions from getting on GLPs? I would imagine there's not a lot. Because it's mostly just weight loss. But is it present in any other way outside? Although there's gonna be sagging skin with that.

SPEAKER_00 17:32

But that would think uh be more Yeah, no, there is actually um hair loss is a huge one. Oh, okay.

SPEAKER_04 17:39

So you get people who are like, oh my god, I'm suddenly losing my hair, and then you find out they're they started GLPs about six months ago.

SPEAKER_00 17:46

And yeah, but it's not it's not the GLP itself, it's the weight loss that that causes the hair loss. But I think I'd heard that. Yeah. But that's a huge thing. Um you're right, like sagging skin.

SPEAKER_04 18:01

So um that'd be more plastic surgery, right?

SPEAKER_00 18:05

Well, if there's huge amounts of skin to, you know, get rid of. But in like a face, for example, you can um Oh yeah, instead of getting a full-on facelift. Yeah, you can do like different things in the office, particularly like sculptras, an injectable biostimulator that's really good for collagen. And so we'll start doing that um in GLP patients, like as they start on GLP ones. It's really helpful, or GLPs in general. It's not only GLP ones now, um, but to help um get their collagen, you know, stimulated as much as possible to help try to counteract that uh laxity that is going to happen as they lose weight. Um what else? I think those are the main, those are the main things. We actually use GLPs now in Durham for certain conditions. So there's this condition called hydratonitis supertiva, where um it's associated with being overweight and um also metabolic disturbances. So you can improve those things, obviously, on a GLP potentially, um, so that condition can get improved. Have you ever do you know what that condition is?

SPEAKER_04 19:16

No. So you're saying that overweight individuals will come in with these dermatological problems. Right. And you're like, well, we can solve that by just helping you lose weight.

SPEAKER_00 19:28

Well, I mean, there's other treatments.

SPEAKER_04 19:29

Right, right. But now you can include weight loss with the traditional treatments that a derm would prescribe.

SPEAKER_00 19:36

Okay. Yeah. And psoriasis too, which is associated sometimes with being overweight, but also just metabolically unhealthy. Um, and so GLPs are finding their way to the reason.

SPEAKER_04 19:48

Well, the list in the pros in the prose column of GLPs is huge. Weight loss is number one, but they're finding more and more stuff. Every time I read more about it, they're like, there's another benefit to it. Here's another benefit to it. And the list of cons doesn't seem to be growing at all. Mm-hmm. So yeah. I I saw it was uh recently like compared to like this generation's uh um like uh statin, like what were those those those heart medicines that came out, you know, when they first hit the market and changed people's ability to live through heart attacks. Right. Or or, you know, cardio problems. Right. Uh that was game changer for all the cardiologists in the world. And now this is being compared to that.

SPEAKER_00 20:35

Yeah, definitely, definitely a game changer.

SPEAKER_04 20:38

All right. Well, that started out one area and then ended up in another area. But that's fine. That's what we do here. So we're started out talking about sweatshirts and ended up talking about GLPs and things on the way out.

SPEAKER_00 20:53

Mm-hmm. Yeah, I guess too, I was also gonna meant to bring up and then we can move on about you know, just the fact that the teens are injecting this uh, you know, injecting things, GLPs. We've talked about Botox and filler in the past. And I think it's just one other thing to point out about that is just people think these things look easy to do.

SPEAKER_04 21:16

But like draw up a lot of people, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 21:21

Like so, for example, you know, you go to the dermatologist and they take, you know, 10 minutes to Botox your face, and you're like, oh yeah, I could easily do that, or you know, it's 30 minutes to do your filler, and you're like, oh yeah, I could easily watch, you know, uh a quick TikTok video by this stuff and inject. And um, there's basically this bias that people have when they see that because they don't understand all the risks. Like they don't, they're just not even aware that there are risks um of doing these things. So it's very easy to feel overconfident in what you're doing and seem like this is a good idea to follow this teen on TikTok and order what he's promoting or whatever. Um, so I don't know. I just like to point that out because it's a lot of training and experience that makes these things look easy.

SPEAKER_04 22:12

Got it. All right. Yes. You're you're very important.

SPEAKER_00 22:15

That was my rant.

SPEAKER_04 22:15

You're still very important.

SPEAKER_00 22:17

Yes.

SPEAKER_04 22:17

Go see your derm. Stop with the at home. So what else? I I saw this thing. Recently in the news about and maybe it's just because we're near or we're about halfway through summer here as we record this, and you know, back to school is coming up, and the fall is here, but I guess in the fall, Target, the big retailer, is supposed to s open up in their stores this new beauty section. Um now I think this has probably been announced. I think this had been announced a long time ago, but of course I don't pay attention to this garbage. So I uh but um it came across my feed somehow.

SPEAKER_00 23:00

Um getting all this beauty news now.

SPEAKER_04 23:03

I know, and I'm not sure I like it, but uh algorithm's gonna algorithm. Um we uh so yeah, anyways, I thought I okay, so what I learned by watching this thing is that Target has a beauty section that is basically an Ulta store, or it's a little tiny Ulta store inside of it.

SPEAKER_00 23:23

Yeah, I don't know if it's all the locations at this point, but lots of Targets have these mini little Ultas inside of them.

SPEAKER_04 23:30

Got it. So they're going to what I saw was close those down, open up their own beauty product with or beauty product section, beauty store inside. And they're gonna have employees dedicated just to those departments. And they're gonna like start bringing in all kinds of new skincare, particularly maybe even focusing on some Korean stuff. Had you heard this? Do you know about this? Are you excited about this? I know you love some Target.

SPEAKER_00 23:56

Yeah, I do love some Target.

SPEAKER_04 23:57

Um you love some Ulta.

SPEAKER_00 23:59

Yeah. Uh so they're calling it Target Beauty Studio. And I think I did hear about this a while back, but I'd kind of forgotten about it. So you brought it back to my radar.

SPEAKER_04 24:11

Yeah. Um looking for something to talk about.

SPEAKER_00 24:15

But um, you know, they plan to have like, like you said, dedicated employees, um, but also like experiences. And they, yes, it seems like they're probably gonna have a bit of a focus on K-beauty.

SPEAKER_04 24:30

Okay. Um, that's smart right now. Yeah. That's just smart, smart business. Target is suffering from what I hear too, business-wise. So they need to do some stuff.

SPEAKER_00 24:41

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 24:41

I mean This is probably a step in that direction of them trying to reinvent themselves.

SPEAKER_00 24:46

Yeah. I don't, you know, like I don't know necessarily that these partnerships have to be in these other retailers, but like I guess I can see like if you're in a small rural area or more rural area and all you have is Target, it would be nice to have access to some higher-end brands that, you know, maybe you couldn't get otherwise because there's not like a Sephora or an Ulta or a department store near you. Right. So I think that could be kind of nice. But like here where we are, you know, there's Sephora's and Ultas everywhere. And Sephora, by the way, is also, I don't know if you know this. They're inside of Kohl's in a lot of the Kohl's locations.

SPEAKER_04 25:27

Oh, right. So I I did not know that, but makes sense.

SPEAKER_00 25:31

Do you need all of that when you've got so I don't know. But I do think it's a good thing for people who don't have as easy, you know, targets more easily accessible for them.

SPEAKER_04 25:40

Sure. Okay.

SPEAKER_00 25:42

So, you know, because everyone needs their beauty. Of course.

SPEAKER_04 25:44

Yes. Products. Yes. That's right. Yeah. Maybe we can convince them to carry a certain skincare line for kids. Uh-huh. Anyways, yeah. Well. Um, okay, continuing on, anything else uh in the like skincare news that you uh like or caught your eye?

SPEAKER_00 26:04

Yeah, actually also in the kids' skincare space, um, this brand Rennie, uh, R-I-N-I. I don't know if you remember them me talking about them a while ago. Um not on the podcast, but social media when they launched. So basically, this is a brand that was created by some kind of influencer. And she came out with this line that the initial first product, all she's had now since launch, is face masks for kids, sheet masks.

SPEAKER_04 26:39

Sheet masks for kids.

SPEAKER_00 26:41

For kids. So she launched to a ton of backlash to this. Um, you know, with lots of people, myself included, saying, like, you know, you're promoting that this is a brand to help kids take care of their skin. But one thing kids do not need to take care of their skin is a sheet mask.

SPEAKER_04 27:03

Um I don't really know what sheet masks do.

unknown 27:06

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 27:07

I mean, I know, I know them because you have some.

SPEAKER_00 27:09

Yeah, I mean, not much, honestly. They're kind of more of like a feel-good, temporarily self-care, going to hydrate your skin very briefly type of situation. I mean, I enjoy them occasionally.

SPEAKER_02 27:22

Sure.

SPEAKER_00 27:23

But it's not a crucial step. And it's certainly not an important point, you know, an important product that a kid be using.

SPEAKER_02 27:31

Right.

SPEAKER_00 27:31

And then in like all of their imaging, it's like little kids, like toddlers.

SPEAKER_04 27:37

Oh, geez.

SPEAKER_00 27:38

Using this. And um, you know, their their state, you know, their kind of uh defense of this is just that like it's fun and the kids want, they see what their moms are doing, so they want to use it. And then the response to that, of course, is like, well, you don't have to give your kid everything that they want. And is this safe? And what sort of message is this sending to them? Right. So whatever, whole thing.

SPEAKER_04 28:02

Right. Just wet a paper towel and slap it on their face, poke holes in for the eyes and say, look, you're doing it too.

SPEAKER_00 28:09

Right. Right. And then like the other thing, it was like they market it as a daily Of course, you know, a daily product, right? And I I should have looked up the price. I can't remember now, but if some kind of ridiculous price point for something that you know, you're trying to say your toddler needs to use every day. And then the fact that you're trying to say it's a brand promoting kid's skin health and there's not a mention of sunscreen, right, which is the most important thing, people, for you to be uh, you know, using on your kid's skin. But anyway, um they recently came out with a cleanser and moisturizer. So finally expanding their line. I think it's hilarious that they say that it's for ages zero and up.

SPEAKER_04 28:54

Yes. Um I know that fresh out of the womb, three days we were still in the hospital with our kid, and I was just like, get this skin care to use.

SPEAKER_01 29:04

This kid's skin is so bad. We need moisturizer stat.

SPEAKER_00 29:07

Yeah. So um I looked at the products, and I mean, they're not like the worst in terms of uh a product for kids. I mean, they're they're everything is fragrance-free, but they have like anti like inflammatory uh sentinella, like calming agents in them. I'm like, why? And I mean, anything you put on a kid's skin, I mean, if there's no point, it's just a potential allergen. So again, why? So anyway, um, what else will I say about that? Oh, all over their website, they also talk about how their products are dermatologist tested. And I just thought I would take a second and tell people what that means. Do you think that that sounds like pretty fancy? I mean and meaningful?

unknown 29:55

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 29:55

I guess it sounds like it could be. Right. But I'm so skeptical. I'm I'm a skeptic on everything.

SPEAKER_00 30:03

Yeah. So it's totally not like there's a meaningless statement. It's a meaningless statement. The only, I mean, there's no regulation to that. It can be you handed this product to one dermatologist and they used it. Boom, it's dermatologist tested. Right. So anyway, that is a little caveat that also drives me insane.

SPEAKER_04 30:21

Mm-hmm. Yep. But you can slap it on the bottle, and then people who don't want to take the time to learn about that statement think they've, you know, it's a little seems a little deceptive.

SPEAKER_01 30:30

Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. All right.

SPEAKER_04 30:32

Well, good for them. All right. Well, that uh talked about Target there, talked about this product that annoys you, caught your eye.

SPEAKER_00 30:41

Yes, the only skincare, you know, babies don't need skincare. You don't need skincare at age zero. Right. I mean, they're you're gonna bathe them in a like right, like with a gentle cleanser in like a bath occasionally. I mean, you need to just really cleanse their diaper area or wipe their face off if they're drooling all over the place.

SPEAKER_02 30:59

Right.

SPEAKER_00 31:00

Um, but you know, if you have a teen whose skin is starting to change, like that's when you need to be a little more consistent with educating them about products and how to use products and, you know, checking out good products.

SPEAKER_04 31:17

Yeah. For their skin. I mean, you know, it's just it's all attached to that whole Sephora kid rage that came out a couple years ago.

SPEAKER_00 31:25

It is.

SPEAKER_04 31:27

You know, she's just being like, well, all right, if kids are gonna buy stuff, might as well buy my stuff. Mm-hmm. All right. Well, uh, let's just move to some listener questions and end this episode with a bunch of those. Sounds like a plan. Because those keep coming. Okay. So let's start. Okay, let's Okay, number one question here. Somebody asked, What procedures have you had? Again. They're like, really wanting to dig deep into like, what are you doing? What do you what's going on?

SPEAKER_00 31:56

Well, I think that's a legitimate question. Like, people want to know what dermatologists do to try to.

SPEAKER_04 32:03

And maybe it's because they're like, you're so hideous. I want to know what you're doing.

SPEAKER_00 32:06

I mean, it could be that too.

SPEAKER_04 32:07

Or maybe it's just you look beautiful and I want to know how I can look that way. So many ways to interpret it.

SPEAKER_00 32:13

So many ways to interpret it. I mean, if I took my uh social media feed into account, apparently most people think I look 70. So I mean, these are Oh yeah, these are the kids.

SPEAKER_04 32:25

Kids. The kids that come after you for saying to stay out of the sun or you know, protect your skin. Right. Those guys are so vocal. They come at you so hard.

SPEAKER_00 32:33

Pretty confident that I don't look 70.

SPEAKER_04 32:35

No.

SPEAKER_00 32:35

I mean, you're biased, so you can't really I'd tell you.

SPEAKER_04 32:38

Oh, you'd tell me. Yeah. You started looking a little too busted. Okay, cool. All right. All right.

SPEAKER_00 32:43

Yeah. So um sugarcoat it. Okay. Perfect.

SPEAKER_04 32:48

Um That's what you'd want. That's that's why you keep me around.

SPEAKER_00 32:52

All right.

SPEAKER_04 32:53

That tells it like it is.

SPEAKER_00 32:54

Yeah, I guess that tells it like it is to you too, since you're now on like hair-stimulating drugs, and I really want to inject your face with some things soon.

SPEAKER_02 33:05

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 33:05

All right, we'll come back to that. Uh what have I done? Um I mean, a lot of things. I mean, I've been a dermatologist for a lot of years now.

SPEAKER_04 33:14

So you got access to all the stuff.

SPEAKER_00 33:17

Um, I mean, I've been doing toxin to my face since I was a dermatology resident.

SPEAKER_04 33:23

Right.

SPEAKER_00 33:24

Uh recently started doing toxin into my armpits.

SPEAKER_04 33:29

Yes. And you've done that to me too. And I love that.

SPEAKER_00 33:32

Yeah, it is pretty much life-changing.

SPEAKER_04 33:33

That was my first experience with uh Botox and or Juvo, or well, you're just calling them toxin.

SPEAKER_00 33:39

Yeah, just toxin generically.

SPEAKER_04 33:41

Um those are great.

SPEAKER_00 33:44

I I mean, just staying on the toxin wagon, I do mesotherapy with toxin. So that's uh very superficial injections in the skin um with toxin. Um I do neck toxin now on myself.

SPEAKER_04 34:00

What is that all for the same purpose?

SPEAKER_00 34:02

Um yeah, so neck toxin is done to so that like some of the muscles in your neck don't pull down your lower face and like mouth.

SPEAKER_02 34:14

Oh.

SPEAKER_00 34:14

So that those muscles that work to lift can work without that opposition.

SPEAKER_04 34:20

Uh, I didn't know about it. There's all kinds of fun places to put it. Armpits, necks.

SPEAKER_00 34:25

Yeah. More superficially in the skin, you can do it to uh control oil. Um. So that's a nice benefit. Yeah, sometimes people, I mean, I haven't had this done, but you can inject it like upper lip a little bit. Like, you know, how you get like sweaty in the upper, like if if you're stressed, sometimes maybe that would be an area where you would have so um you can inject in the upper lip, you can direct it in the scalp to help control sweat and you know, oiliness in the scalp, even to some degree. Wow. So so many uses for Botox.

SPEAKER_04 34:56

Is there anything it can't do?

SPEAKER_00 34:57

Is there anything it can't do? Oh yeah, actually, I forgot about one. Scars. So we're using them more and more in during wound healing because it reduces tension on the scar so that you don't have um pulling on the scar, which is, you know, can make the scar wider than it needs to be.

SPEAKER_04 35:14

So like at the at the earliest point of like closing an incision, you would Botox the heck out of it immediately?

SPEAKER_00 35:21

Yeah, you can do it right away or you know, kind of in the post-stop period at some point.

SPEAKER_04 35:24

Wow.

SPEAKER_00 35:25

Um and then yeah, it just reduces the pull on that wound. Oh. Okay. We got on a tangent of Botox uses.

SPEAKER_04 35:31

But what else are you doing to yourself besides injecting every part of your body, it turns out?

SPEAKER_00 35:36

Yeah, toxin. Um, laser, of course, vascular laser, pigment laser, CO2 laser for resurfacing. Um I think that's I think that's Okay. You mentioned Oh, sculpture. I forgot about that.

SPEAKER_04 35:50

Okay, that's another injectable.

SPEAKER_00 35:51

Another injectable sculptra, biostimulatory for collagen. So I've done that in my face. Next week, though, I am going to be getting it done into my face as well as into my neck. Maybe my hands. I don't know. I'm on the fence about doing that. Look at these skeletal things.

SPEAKER_04 36:08

Yeah. You have some very thin hands.

SPEAKER_00 36:11

I mean, I'm not terribly bothered by it, but apparently this makes you look old.

SPEAKER_04 36:15

Yeah. Hands are like the first thing to show age, aren't they?

SPEAKER_00 36:19

Well, I mean, okay, they're not they don't have brown spots that look hideous from age. Well, no, I just mean But like they're very thin, and you see the tendons and you see the veins, and again, I haven't really been bothered by this, but other people are. Maybe it's something I will get done. I don't know. We'll see. All right. I have an appointment on Monday to get some sculpture.

SPEAKER_04 36:41

All right.

SPEAKER_00 36:42

So I think I think that's everything. Things I want to have done.

SPEAKER_04 36:46

Oh yeah, let's expand. I'm sure that they didn't ask that, but let's let's see. Let's let's look into your future.

SPEAKER_00 36:52

Um probably a blef, like a lower and upper blef. Maybe some fat repositioning in my cheeks. You know, things are just falling. Oh, I forgot some other things. I have elicor.

SPEAKER_02 37:06

Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_00 37:07

Microcoring. So basically that's like removing cores of skin from your jawline to improve your dowels. Um, gosh, was there anything else? I had radio frequency microneedling once. Not really a huge fan and didn't really see much improvement.

SPEAKER_04 37:22

Okay. Alright. So good. That's a lot of things, but not I mean, it's a lot of things, but it's nothing extreme.

unknown 37:32

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 37:33

You've not got under the knife.

SPEAKER_00 37:34

Right. I mean, I'm yeah. I won't never say never about going under the knife, but I've tried to do a lot of things that like maybe I will feel good enough to not feel like I need to get a facelift or a necklift. Um, but I might have to go under the knife for a bluff.

SPEAKER_04 37:50

Wow. All right.

SPEAKER_00 37:52

You know, I just really hate that. I really hate the eye bags.

SPEAKER_04 37:56

Yeah. And that's what that tackles? Yeah. I don't know blefs.

unknown 38:00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 38:01

I mean, I would never do anything like Bleff has got to be short for something. Blef blephroplasty.

SPEAKER_04 38:06

No, okay.

SPEAKER_00 38:07

I don't know the meaning of the root of those words or anything, but got it. Yeah. Um, you know, I don't really care for much other types of plastic surgery. Like, there's no way I would ever think it's worth it to get like a boob job.

SPEAKER_02 38:20

No.

SPEAKER_00 38:20

I mean, you know, for plastic surgery, it's all what bothers you.

SPEAKER_02 38:24

Right.

SPEAKER_00 38:25

Like what you need to improve. And it's it I always find it interesting. And I talk about this patient with talk about this with patients a lot. It's like, just because I mean, I can tell you what is the issue, you know, what are some issues, but it really comes down to what do you see and what bothers you, and that's what you should pursue.

SPEAKER_04 38:47

Right. Don't do it because your spouse or somebody else on the street told you, hey, you'd look better with fill in the blank.

SPEAKER_00 38:54

Right. So I would never go under the knife for certain things, but for a bluff, I would totally do it.

SPEAKER_04 39:02

Got it. Because that bothers you.

SPEAKER_00 39:04

Because that bothers me.

SPEAKER_04 39:05

Right.

SPEAKER_00 39:07

Who cares about the neck down?

SPEAKER_04 39:08

Right. That's what clothes are for.

SPEAKER_00 39:12

I mean, you gotta keep covered for the sun, so nobody else is seeing that. So who cares?

SPEAKER_04 39:17

Right. But your face, you just can't walk around with a face mask on all day.

SPEAKER_00 39:21

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 39:21

Well what a shame. Missed the COVID days.

SPEAKER_00 39:25

Yeah. So you've had some things done, but not much.

SPEAKER_04 39:29

No, not really.

SPEAKER_00 39:30

I need to get you.

SPEAKER_04 39:31

I've only had things done because you were like, hey, come into the office and let me try this thing on you. Right. That's the extent of them. Well because again, there's a bit of a double standard for men who are allowed to age gracefully.

SPEAKER_00 39:44

Yeah. Well, there's some things that I've decided I don't like about you, but again, it's a thing where like I shouldn't force that upon you. But as your wife and a dermatologist, I feel like I get a little more leeway in pointing those things out. I mean, you're like a representation of my work, sort of.

unknown 40:01

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_04 40:03

Got it. I'm your Frankenstein monster.

SPEAKER_00 40:07

Yeah. So you've had some talks in your armpits. I just did some talks for the first time in your mascots, more for My Jaw. Jaw grinding.

SPEAKER_04 40:22

That was so recently though it hasn't.

SPEAKER_00 40:24

It hasn't even kicked in yet. We'll see if I totally jacked that up. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 40:27

Um my jaw freezes shut and I have to eat the rest of my meals through a straw for the next three months, then we'll know.

SPEAKER_00 40:35

When this podcast comes to a screeching halt because I can't do anything but we'll know that you absolutely failed in that. Yeah. What else have you had done though? You've had some.

SPEAKER_04 40:50

You've lasered me a couple times, but oftentimes it was during a time, you know, a sales rep trying to sell a laser to the office.

SPEAKER_00 40:56

Yeah, so it wasn't like my best work. Um you've had some hair injections.

SPEAKER_04 41:02

Mm-hmm. In my thinning spots.

SPEAKER_00 41:04

Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. So, you know. I'm not completely You're not a total natural cosmetic virgin.

SPEAKER_04 41:11

That's right.

SPEAKER_00 41:12

More on the way for Benjamin. More on the way.

SPEAKER_04 41:14

All right. Yeah. Ask that question again in a year. We'll see what I've what I've had done. Uh okay. Next question. Um somebody wants to know, and I guess this is with social media primarily, is how do you deal with the haters? How do you deal with the haters, Brooke? There's so many haters. In fact, I feel like the internet at this point was made for haters. That anonymity really allows them to shine.

SPEAKER_00 41:41

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 41:41

I mean say things they wouldn't normally say to anybody in real life. But yeah.

SPEAKER_00 41:45

And I mean, who even knows if they're most of them are like actually real people. Like, I don't I don't even know.

SPEAKER_04 41:51

You think bots are sending hate?

SPEAKER_00 41:54

I don't know. Are they?

SPEAKER_04 41:55

Uh is that how you deal with it? By just pretending they're bots?

SPEAKER_00 41:59

Yes, that's how I deal with it. No. I mean, like, after doing it for so long, I guess I've just kind of developed, like, I just really don't care that much. Right. That's the right attitude, is I mean, sometimes I'm entertained and I like look at the comments, but if something is like going, you know, like spiraling down a bunch of like hate, it's kind of like I mean, it's just, I don't know. It doesn't you can't take you can't be that bothered by it, or you just shouldn't be putting yourself out there on social media.

SPEAKER_02 42:33

Right.

SPEAKER_00 42:34

And I mean, you know, I'm out there with like my name and my face and doing all this, and like all these people who are hating you are like hiding behind private accounts.

unknown 42:45

Right.

SPEAKER_00 42:46

It's not their real name. You know. Right.

SPEAKER_04 42:48

Their profile picture is something like a car or something in something.

SPEAKER_00 42:53

Right. Right. So um, yeah, I mean, I guess I I guess that's why I'm able to keep doing it. I just don't really care about it. And I also get, you know, a lot of times when some kind of video is spiraling with hate, um, you know, I'll also have a lot of people who message me and say, I can't believe what's going down on this. And, you know, we so appreciate your content. And that does go a long way. Sure. Um, to making you say, okay, I guess I'll keep going. And if you're not going to be able to do it, right. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 43:25

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 43:26

If I'm just if I can change the minds or help one person, it will have all been worth it. Right, right.

SPEAKER_04 43:32

Okay. All right. Well, cool. That's the right attitude. Good for you. Um, all right. Well, let's do one more. Um Okay. This one starts out by explaining the situation. My teen has acne and plays hours of sports daily. I've read about using hyperchlorus hypochlorous. Let me get that right. Hypochlorous acid spray after sports, since there's a long time gap before he can get to the shower. Is this a safe product or is there a better way to deal with this? Thank you for any help. Well, what a politely asked question, first of all. Thank you, listener.

SPEAKER_00 44:16

Yes. Um, I love hypochlorous acid spray in this situation. Okay. And recommend it all the time to my patients.

SPEAKER_04 44:27

Um particularly the kids playing sports. Yeah, exactly.

SPEAKER_00 44:31

Exactly. Because this situation is common where a kiddo is sweating, they're, you know, playing whatever their sport is for many hours, or they play, they get sweaty, and then it is a period of time before they can get home and shower, which would be the ideal situation, is like you quickly get home, shower, get the sweat off, whatever. Um, but when that can't happen, hypochlorous acid spray is a great thing to use in that situation. So it is anti-inflammatory, has some antibacterial properties, um, comes in a comes in a spray. So you can get these from a bunch of different different brands at a bunch of different price points. I tell kids and parents, you know, throw it in your sport bag. And when you have a break between games or during practice, spray it on where you're prone to get acne, and it can help.

SPEAKER_04 45:26

Yeah, cool. Nice. Well, short and sweet. There you go. Yeah. Pick yourself up a bottle, throw it in your kids' gym bag. Watch the acne clear up. All right. Uh, we're done. Let's wrap it there. That was obviously the best podcast we've ever done. We'll see you next time. Bye.