Episode 8 - Season 5 and Decker Season 1

In this episode of The Other On Cinema at the Cinema Podcast, Ramsey and Caleb discuss season 5 of On Cinema as well as season 1 of Decker. We have a long digression talking about how Sam Hyde is a racist POS (Sam do you want to come on the show?)

Transcript

SPEAKER_01 0:01

Hey, hey, hey, this is the other On Cinema Podcast. The podcast in which myself, Ramsey, who is very tired because I went on a camping trip the other day and did not sleep, watches through On Cinema at the cinema with my co-host Caleb, who has never seen the show before. Caleb, how are you doing?

SPEAKER_00 0:21

I I think I'm doing better than you. I slept one of the nights on the camping trip, and uh I did injure myself, uh, but it was a minor injury, and I'm recovering speedily.

SPEAKER_01 0:34

But you looked super cool doing it. You were slacklining.

SPEAKER_00 0:37

No, I wasn't slacklining. I was taking a break from slacklining and uh jumping across giant rocks. Oh. Yeah, and I beefed it into the directly, like torpedoed myself, you know, spiral football style directly into the gravel.

SPEAKER_01 0:55

Anyway, this is the other On Cinema podcast, the podcast in which myself Ramsey, a super fan of On Cinema, watches through On Cinema at the cinema with my co-host Caleb, who has never seen the show before. And today we are going to be talking about season five and the first season of Decker.

SPEAKER_00 1:13

Hell yeah, I love Decker. So I'm looking forward to more Decker, and we will talk about it.

SPEAKER_01 1:20

Cool. All right, jumping into it. So, right off the bat, Tim is looking healthy. He is relocated to Jackson Hole. He's riding motorcycles now, and he says he has a Kawasaki, which I think is a really funny detail because uh Kawasaki is not an American motorcycle whatsoever. It's a very much a Japanese racing motorcycle, and they flash a picture of what is supposed to be a Harley. But yeah, he's going on a lot of patriot rides. Yeah, and then Greg reveals he lost his uh 500 movies in 500 days list.

SPEAKER_00 2:03

Yeah, which is odd because you would think with someone who is so regimented and systemized in his viewing of movies wouldn't lose such a key piece of data.

SPEAKER_01 2:18

Well, we'll we'll we'll learn more about that later. But yeah, this uh this first episode is very blues brother focused. I just uh I I can't even remember the name of the movie, but they they you know they keep calling Melissa McCarthy the female version of Jim Belushi.

SPEAKER_00 2:35

Yeah, she is she is our generation's Jim Belushi.

SPEAKER_01 2:40

So for the popcorn classics, Greg brings out his Blues Brothers digs and reviews uh Blues Brothers 2000, which I thought was a fun detail because that's a terrible movie.

SPEAKER_00 2:55

I mean it it uh it doesn't compare to the first movie, that's for sure. It seems like of course Greg would bring out Blues Brothers 2000 and not Blues Brothers, because it seems like Greg refuses to discuss any uh, you know, well-regarded, widely acclaimed movies in his uh popcorn classic segment. You don't think so? Uh no, I don't. Yeah. I have uh I've I'm gonna interrupt the uh the format of the show just to quickly ask. Uh how are because these sea season five is like twice as long as previous seasons already, and season six is gonna be like twice as long as that. How are you watching the show? Because that's a big time commitment. How like what do you mean? I'm just concerned that because like right, you're are you watching this root with your partner? No, okay, you're watching this alone.

SPEAKER_01 4:01

Is this like on break at work or well I so I travel a lot for my job, so a lot of my job is spending time alone in hotels, which is uh a great time to watch the show. Yes. I mean, these seasons are also only about 40 minutes long.

SPEAKER_00 4:24

Season two is like a hundred and fifty or season uh six is uh a hundred and fifty minutes long.

SPEAKER_01 4:31

If you include all of the episodes of Decker, that is true, but that is also because every individual episode of Decker, the first third of every episode is recapping what happened in the prior episode. If you watch like a super cut of season two of Decker, it's only like 30 minutes long. Okay, okay, okay. Okay, cool. But yes, I if anyone is wondering what I do in my free time, I I I crouch alone in hotels, and I just watch on cinema on repeat while I write down my goblin notes on the show.

SPEAKER_00 5:20

And that's not dissimilar to what I do in my free time, which is basically the same thing, just you know, in a filing cabinet in the city, you know, again, hunched over like L from Death Note in a sparse, a sparse white room on my computer. Eating desserts. Eating desserts with my bare hands.

SPEAKER_01 5:44

Who is L's successor? Is it N? Is that his name? I think so. See, that's what I do. I have the little toys and I move them around. I got my Tim toy, got my Greg toy, got my Mark toy. I watch on cinema, I just move them around and I go, I'm gonna catch light yagami by watching on cinema. Anyway, this is the On Cinema podcast. The man, I'm I'm not on fire today, guys. My brain is zapped, I haven't slept. Let's just keep it about the movies. Let's just keep it about the movies. Anyway, so we get to episode two. It's been revealed by Tim that uh Ayaka has had an abortion. Yes, yes. Um he says, I'd like to assure everybody that that that problem has been evacuated. Uh that's not the right word, I believe he says. That is why that is exactly what he says. I think he says right afterwards that's not the right word. Yes, yes. So don't worry, guys. Tim still uh supports the pro-life movement, but he also says when you are in that situation, options have to be on the table. I'm starting to suspect.

SPEAKER_00 7:02

I'm just starting to suspect that Tim's uh ideology is uh a little bit inconsistent. Just a bit.

SPEAKER_01 7:13

Just a bit, you think so? Just a bit. Tim does complain about the coffee situation in LA because he says he's gotten into small batch coffee while in Jackson Hole, and says in LA they uh they don't have any small coffee shops, they only have Starbucks, which is funny because I I don't know if you've ever been to LA, but they I mean, he like just as much as Seattle, I would say they're kind of known for having a shit ton of small coffee shops. Yeah. I mean, really most big cities do.

SPEAKER_00 7:47

Yeah, most big cities do. Uh yeah, it seems like Tim Tim certainly says things like he says that he loves basically not having access to you know infrastructure uh in and J-Hole. J-hole. J-hole. That's what they call it. Do you know anything about Jackson Hole? Uh it's in Wyoming, and in the television show Silicone Valley, one of the villains uh refers to Jackson Hole as J-Hole. So that's that is the extent of my knowledge.

SPEAKER_01 8:25

My understanding of Jackson Hole is it's like where rich people go to vacation if they want to feel like cowboys. Kind of like uh kind of like Montana. There's areas in Montana like that too. Yeah. I just remember uh like back in like 2019, before Kanye went like full-on Nazi the first time. Man, I feel old to say the first time that there's been multiple phases of him doing that. Um he was hosting a lot of events in Jackson Hole. So that's okay. That makes sense. That's what makes me ask. Yeah, that's what makes me ask that question. Anyway, so yeah, episode two, we get the uh on cinema, on guest segment. Yes. Um in which Tim is interviewing Greg. It's a little odd.

SPEAKER_00 9:17

Yeah, it uh at first it almost felt like uh like an interrogation, but then it was a green screen, and Tim was making Greg look directly in the camera.

SPEAKER_01 9:28

And uh so obviously you know what happens after that, but like what did you make of that when you first watched it?

SPEAKER_00 9:35

Well, you're gonna hate this because this is my note in the moment I wrote this as it was happening. Bro, well, first off, I said Tim's film buff segment looks like a Chris Hansen interrogation of Greg. But then the second line is Bro, is he getting footage of Greg for Decker without his permission? Question mark. Oh, you called it? Yes, I did. Interesting. Yeah. Okay. Yep.

unknown 10:03

Good.

SPEAKER_00 10:03

I'm sorry to disappoint you.

SPEAKER_01 10:06

No. All right, it's not disappointing at all.

SPEAKER_00 10:09

Oh, okay. Normally people hate it when I predict things correctly.

SPEAKER_01 10:12

Salute your prediction. Anyway, uh, so episode three, Tim has a majestic eagle shirt on. He says he's eating a lot of bison, and we get the announcement of hog shots.

SPEAKER_00 10:26

Yeah. Hog shots. Well, first off, I got a question about the bison. Is it easier to source bison in Wyoming? Do you know?

SPEAKER_01 10:35

I I assume so.

SPEAKER_00 10:37

Yeah. We sold these uh these like meat bars in uh Trader Joe's back when I worked there that were uh I think they're buffalo or they're either buffalo or bison, like in the bars. That's the only place I know where I could buy like that kind of meat. Is bison still endangered? I can't be if you can buy it. It might have been buffalo then. But I just can't imagine it's easy to source all that bison. Enough to feed a man. Yeah, enough to feed a grown adult a grown adult man in the middle of his midlife crisis. Yes, and hog shots. What do you think of hogshots? You know, similar to Dakar, I'm very happy for Tim that he's he's got these dreams and that he is we're working to fulfill. It's just Tim on his motorcycle, just pictures of Tim on his motorcycle, and then one picture of Tom Cruise on the cover, that's the idea.

SPEAKER_01 11:45

Yeah. Yeah. I think that's the idea. Okay.

SPEAKER_00 11:51

I think there's there's a market for that. Tim's the market for that. Yeah, so like people like Tim.

SPEAKER_01 12:01

Yeah, yeah. So Jupiter ascending, this is just like a ballet of bad name readings, but my favorite is when Tim keeps trying to say Sean Bean's name. It says Sheen Bean. And then Greg goes, no, it's Sean Penn.

SPEAKER_00 12:22

Seen Bean as well. And the woman, Shannon Tatum. Those are my favorites. And Tim also calls Jupiter Ascending a sci-fi superhero movie. Is it? I've never seen Jupiter Ascending.

SPEAKER_01 12:40

I totally got it confused with Cloud Atlas, I believe. Which is a very different movie that I've also never seen. Okay. I just know that one has uh Tom Hanks.

SPEAKER_00 12:53

Well, isn't it uh wait? Wait, Cloud Atlas has Tom Hanks?

SPEAKER_01 12:59

Pr pretty sure.

SPEAKER_00 13:00

Okay. Cool. Who did you think was in Cloud Atlas? Mila Kunas. That's Jupiter Ascending. Yep. I'm still confused on those movies, I guess.

SPEAKER_01 13:12

Wait, let's look this up. Maybe Mila Kunas is in both of them.

SPEAKER_00 13:18

Look out, guys. We're having a live internet interaction right now. We're looking up information in the podcast. We've never done it.

SPEAKER_01 13:30

Mila Kunas is not in Cloud Atlas.

SPEAKER_00 13:33

Oh, okay.

SPEAKER_01 13:41

Mila Kunas is in Cloud Atlas.

SPEAKER_00 13:45

No. Jupiter is in it.

SPEAKER_01 13:49

I'm really tired. The words are right in front of you. I'm so sorry. This is unprofessional. Fuck man. You need a fire become.

SPEAKER_00 14:01

I'm not gonna be co-host anymore. I'm gonna be, I'm gonna, you know, fail upwards into being host of the show.

SPEAKER_01 14:09

Anyway, Greg really loved the movie, and he tries to slide his bags of popcorn into Tim's review.

SPEAKER_00 14:15

Yes. And they argue over the boundary, the imaginary boundaries of the imaginary popcorn, like children. It's pretty, pretty great. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 14:25

I I did think it was interesting Tim mentions his son in this episode. Greg looks really disturbed when Tim brings this up.

SPEAKER_00 14:33

Yeah, about as disturbed as uh I was.

SPEAKER_01 14:37

Um Yeah, and he says it's from an estranged marriage. Do you think that's the marriage from at the beginning of the show or a different marriage? Different marriage. Different marriage. That's my guess. Yeah, Greg says, well, yeah, no, it had to have been because Greg says, uh, you were married 15 years ago to who?

SPEAKER_00 14:57

Yeah. To who? As if as if he'd know who that is, you know.

SPEAKER_01 15:03

But that suggests that it was a different person than the person he was married to at the beginning of the show.

SPEAKER_00 15:10

Well, because right, discussion of kids would have happened earlier in the show while Tim was dealing with his uh wife early on in the show. Like, because they would have talked about custody and stuff. So yeah, it must be from a previous, previous marriage.

SPEAKER_01 15:27

Yes, yes. So moving on, we get the first episode of Decker. Just want to point out, Decker says he is in Afghanistan. Yes. But he's clearly just outside of LA.

SPEAKER_00 15:43

Whoa, whoa, whoa. I'm gonna mention this just uh I had it noted for later when they say that he's in New York in a future episode. But yeah, I've uh I've hiked that area. That's like if that's the same spot that it looks like that I've hiked, that's just behind the Hollywood sign, right? No, I'm I have to assume that's where they're at.

SPEAKER_01 16:07

I mean there. Tim doesn't have the motivation, work ethic, or budget to go much farther than that.

SPEAKER_00 16:15

He can ride his freaking hog to J-hole and back.

SPEAKER_01 16:20

Yeah, but he can't bring his camera crew out there, let alone Mark, which we're gonna see here in a second. I mean, is that brown face? Does that count as brown face? It doesn't count as brown face for it and I'm gonna say why. One, he's not in any sort of makeup makeup. Two, he's he's wearing an Italian checkered tablecloth over his head. And I've noticed this detail in the past when I've watched this, but I never noticed how strange it is that the rope that they have tying Mark's tablecloth over his head is not a cheap piece of rope. It's not even like an extension cord, it's a vacuum hose, which would be so much harder to get and more expensive to get than either of those things, which makes me think like they were like, oh fuck, we have to get something to tie to Mark's head, and that was just like whatever was in the back of Tim's car. Did did you ever watch Mark Proch's uh Krass videos? K-strass? I don't think so. You're not familiar with K-strass?

SPEAKER_00 17:38

I've heard I've heard of it, but no, I'm not familiar with uh Mark's yo-yo videos. Oh I do! Yes, yeah, good Lord. How are these guys so legendary, like all the way back? Well, uh it's crazy because Greg, Greg is Neil Hamburger, and then Mark is K-strauss.

SPEAKER_01 17:57

I I was reading about how Tim and Greg got involved with Mark was because they were trying to develop a show for adult swim based on the K-Strass character, which fell through, but then they ended up just bringing him into on cinema because they liked working with him. Okay origin story there.

SPEAKER_00 18:21

Did I tell you ever that I went as uh called Oh yeah, I did. Yeah, you did. You mentioned it a few episodes back. Yeah. I gotta share the photos with you. Yeah, I'd like to see those. My uh the barber I went to is very pleased. Wait, did you like shave I went full method? Wow. Okay, you didn't mention that. I went to the cheapest barber in town and I had him shave the most exaggerated receding hairline possible into my young, full of hair head. Um and he was uh dying laughing the entire time. I asked him if anyone had ever done this before. He said no. I think he was probably the happiest person with my costume out of anyone. Did people know who you were? I got I did have actually a few people come up. Some people complimented me, and some people uh deliberately were as awkward and annoying as they possibly could be because they were trying to be an energy vampire as well. I see. Yes, that's good, that's good.

SPEAKER_01 19:25

Yeah, I so back in like 2014 or 2015, I went out into Halloween town, which is what I call Capitol Hill in Seattle on Halloween words, but my costume, I was a men's rights activist. Oh god. So I was wearing a fedora and I had uh grown out and shaved my neck beard, and I was wearing like checkered shorts and a trench coat. Yes, and I had like pamphlets I was giving out to people that were it was just like gibberish that was just like men's rights activists like buzz buzzwords, but that were also like Jenny, please come back, stuff like that. Nobody got the joke. Most people were just kind of disturbed and like confused. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 20:22

But yeah, people who didn't know the uh people who didn't weren't familiar with the show at all, they just thought that I had a terrible receding hairline. They just thought I was like getting old way too soon.

SPEAKER_01 20:40

We got episode four. We open up and uh Tim has a horrible on his face.

SPEAKER_00 20:46

Yeah, he uh I just finished season one of True Detective and he looks like uh Matthew McConaughey at the end of that show. Time is a flat circle. I was practicing his voice, like after the show ended, couldn't get enough of Russ Cole. Can you do it? Can you say time is a flat circle? You know, time is a flat circle. Get in there, get in there. And what I do is I drink. You know, they say hippos roll around in the mud as a form of sunscreen. No, I'm not quite I'm not quite hitting it. Oh well. I practiced it a lot after the show ended and then kind of fell off since then.

SPEAKER_01 21:44

Alright, we're we'll come back next week with our our best rust. Our best rusts. So yeah, Tim has a horrible wound on his face. Uh Greg doesn't have anything nice to say about the first episode of Decker. Um we get the explanation. Of why Tim has this horrible wound. Can you explain it to us, Caleb?

SPEAKER_00 22:05

Well, I mean, uh Tim does not I mean, here's the thing. If you get a horrific injury, you've always gotta have a Heath Ledger Joker style story about how you got it. Because otherwise, the real story is gonna be really, really lame. And uh that's exactly what Tim does is uh he doesn't have a story in his back pocket to make himself look cool. He tells the truth, which is a little out of character, I guess, but yeah, um uh he was he rolled his hog into uh handicap parking space, and the lady was yelling at him that he can't park there. He angrily tripped over his kickstand and rolled himself in the bike on top of himself and slammed his face into the pavement. So he managed to crash into his own body into his own parked hog.

SPEAKER_01 23:10

You wanna know how I got these scars?

SPEAKER_00 23:15

No, I'm not gonna do it. Okay. Question. What? Were you a huge fan of The Dark Knight and uh Heath Ledger's performance with Joker when it came out?

SPEAKER_01 23:25

I mean, I like that movie. It's a great movie. I've always liked that movie.

SPEAKER_00 23:30

I've never been like You never stood in front of the mirror and practiced Heath Ledger's Joker. You told me you were a theater nerd. No, no, I have not.

SPEAKER_01 23:41

No, I am not. Um I'm so glad you're bringing this up because this allows me to uh bring up my favorite piece of uh internet content is of that uh kid on YouTube uh doing that scene from the from The Dark Knight, and he says, I'm the Joker, baby. It's so good. You know what I'm talking about?

SPEAKER_00 24:08

I know exactly what you're talking about.

SPEAKER_01 24:11

My my partner, so my partner has this really funny story where they were um hooking up with someone and they were making out, and there was like an awkward moment, and the person they were making out with said, I'm the joke in the awkward moment. And they were like, No, I'm not attracted to you anymore. And I was like, I was like, I'm just saying if you did that to me, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 24:38

I'd be like, I'd pull the wedding ring out right then and there. Okay. Well, if you're bringing that up, I'll bring out just real quick. I was hooking up with someone the day after wearing my Mark Procs method acting costume. So you you had the haircut? Yeah, so we were in the middle of going at it. And and and she just starts laughing out of nowhere. And I'm like, what's so funny? She's like, Your hair. And yeah, so that that killed the moment, at least uh at least for a few minutes. I was just dying laughing at that as well.

SPEAKER_01 25:16

You know, I I gotta commend your your confidence in that situation. But yeah, anyway, uh Tim has tried to an assault, so Tim has tried to assault an elderly woman. He he justifies being in the handicapped spot. He says he can do it because he has a motorcycle.

SPEAKER_00 25:37

He can do whatever you want with because he has a motorcycle.

SPEAKER_01 25:41

But yeah, Tim is basically currently blind. And film is a visual medium. Decker, episode two. So Decker has this briefcase he got from Abdul, and he needs to break the code because there's a bomb in the briefcase, and he can't just rip it open, as suggested by President Davidson. And he says, There's no way I'm going to blow up the White House, not to mention the founding fathers.

SPEAKER_00 26:11

Yeah, like they're uh they're entombed in the White House.

SPEAKER_01 26:16

And then is this the first shot we get of Decker pointing a gun on President Davidson?

SPEAKER_00 26:22

Did he did he do he definitely threatened the president uh in a previous episode for sure?

SPEAKER_01 26:28

But yeah, this is gonna be a longstanding uh trip of him just uh constantly finding reasons to pull a gun out on President Davidson.

SPEAKER_00 26:37

It's always a great move. Yeah, if you if you don't know where else to take a scene to just pull a gun on someone, it always provides fertile ground for interesting things. Yes, yes. Oh, uh before we move on, I just want to say Tim loves Dwayne Johnson, who is his rock. Yes. Yeah, that's that's that's all I have. It's a good line.

SPEAKER_01 26:59

That's a good line. Yes. Alright, so we get to episode five. Tim has some slick shades on because he is basically blind now, and the producer of the show is reading him the movie details off-screen into a mic in his earpiece, and so he's very slowly reading the movie details while Greg is muttering how he could just do it for him.

SPEAKER_00 27:24

Well, yeah, but Tim does not want Greg to steal any more of the spotlight from Tim than necessary. Also, Tim specifically is wearing Oakley's, and the earpiece is the kind of earpiece that, you know. Basically, Tim Tim looks from the head, from the neck up like Agent Smith if he just got out of a spat with Neo, because he's still got that gash on the side of his head as well. Yep.

SPEAKER_01 27:54

But yeah, so we get to the movie reviews. Tim really loves the sounds and dialogue of Guardians of the Galaxy, and you know, Greg is upset that Tim was not actually able to view the movies, so he gives Guardians of the Galaxies five bags of popcorn and a cane for the blind. Yes. So next movie they get to, they are reviewing uh biopic about James Brown, which Tim says uh very racist line. Very racist, which he says BB King is as about as black as I get. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 28:30

Which out of all I don't know, it's just odd that he chose B.B. King. I mean, BB King's pretty black. Yeah, that's Tim. I'd say he's about as black as uh Ray Charles or god damn it. James Brown? James Brown. I keep wanting to say like King George for some reason.

SPEAKER_01 28:54

And I know that's not James Brown or Phoebe King or Phoebe King. But I I found it very funny that Tim mistakenly thinks James Brown was blind.

SPEAKER_00 29:05

Yes, yeah. Greg Charles was blind. Very quickly mentions that. Yeah, I know. A second move a second by uh musical biopic about a blind black musician. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 29:17

Oh, we we completely forgot to bring it up earlier, but there was an on location in which Greg goes to a scene from Oh God, which I bring up now because he goes to another scene from Oh God, and Tim cuts him off to ask him why he's doing that.

SPEAKER_00 29:38

Yeah. And I'll say, even through the whole series, uh the well, the whole season, I still don't really know why he's doing that. Maybe he just really likes that movie and wants and all the locations are nearby.

SPEAKER_01 29:51

Well, have you ever seen that movie?

SPEAKER_00 29:53

No.

SPEAKER_01 29:54

I haven't either.

SPEAKER_00 29:54

Yeah, I don't think most people have. That's pretty good. So you hear from Greg? Yeah. My mom's a huge uh John Denver fan. And uh we've never seen that movie, so I'm I didn't even know John Denver was an actor. Me neither. Learning all kinds of things this uh season.

SPEAKER_01 30:19

Alright. So Decker, episode three. So we learned Tim has used footage of Greg, as you previously explained, to superimpose into the episode. Um he is special agent Kington. I really love that name because we get Decker, Tim Heidecker, and Greg Turk Kington. Wow. Ah, I gotcha. So you were surprised by something. The superimposed clips are just really funny. I I really love the detail that the brief case code is five five five because the only times they have Greg saying numbers on the shows when he sang five bags of popcorn.

SPEAKER_00 30:59

Yeah, yeah. I do well, I want to say first off, with the with the Decker episode, the plot, and I you know, my suspension of disbelief was a little bit rattled, because couldn't he Tim or no, not Tim, Decker, couldn't Decker have shot the briefcase from a safe distance? Maybe over, you know, I guess yeah, if they if they did it in like Canada or something, and it could have it could have uh instigated international war. So never mind, never mind. Sorry.

SPEAKER_01 31:34

If there's anything I I've learned in life, I I've learned this phrase, DQD. Don't question Decker.

SPEAKER_00 31:45

Okay. I will not question it. I'm wondering if they're filming the green screen scenes with a green light because everyone is covered in green. It's quite possible. My favorite part of Greg's appearances in Decker are the face swaps.

unknown 32:03

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 32:05

So I I have to ask, why do you think Tim did this? Like, because like there's no reason he has to have Greg on the show. Like presumably he wouldn't want to have Greg on the show. Clearly, it's like him trying to humiliate Greg, I guess, but like I don't know. I just think it's so weird.

SPEAKER_00 32:25

No, there's there's two reasons why. One, humiliate Greg, or at least try to, and two, limited social resources for Tim. Sure. I mean, he just rides his hog alone all day now.

SPEAKER_01 32:42

That is true. All right, so we're moving on to the next episode of On Cinema. Tim ha has a site back. We get a hog shots update. Tom Cruise has not replied about being on the cover. Tim is threatening to give Tom Cruise negative reviews if he does not get back to him. And we find out Greg has seen the episode of Decker and is very upset.

SPEAKER_00 33:03

Yeah, I mean, they used his uh likeness without his permission, even though uh legally they may have that permission.

SPEAKER_01 33:14

I mean, Tim does say that like anything he does on here is uh his property, and I believe he says being part of the on cinema family means I have control of everything on here, to which I get one of my favorite critic lines of all time, in which he says, being part of a family doesn't mean being raped by dad.

SPEAKER_00 33:37

Which it's a startling line because it's yeah, that might be my uh favorite seems rough, but it is very hilarious in that context, and uh so far it is my favorite line from the show.

SPEAKER_01 33:54

Yeah, because Greg doesn't usually get that direct, a little that dramatic.

SPEAKER_00 33:59

No, but he's rightfully pissed, and I just want to say that Tim defending his Tim is a true patient patriot defending his God-given right to be a complete fucking asshole.

SPEAKER_01 34:13

Well, he says it's his constitutional right to use Greg's footage because of the Freedom of Information Act. But yeah, Tim gets like legitimately scary at the end of this because he just started voice screaming and like deep I mean Tim the actor is like pretty good at that.

SPEAKER_00 34:35

Yeah. Have you okay, this is some deep ball knowledge, but are you familiar I feel so bad, I feel like I'm like conjuring a demon by even saying this name, but are you familiar with Sam Hyde? Oh, yes, I am. Shit, you're the only other person might be alive.

SPEAKER_01 34:55

I I know a lot about do you want to go into a Sam Hyde uh digression?

SPEAKER_00 35:01

You know, let's start off in the waiting pool and see what how far we feel like going.

SPEAKER_01 35:07

I was a I I need to preface this, a very early, early, yeah, early, yeah, early fan of Sam Hydes before I realized he was just a Nazi. Because when he came up on the internet was around the same time I was getting into on cinema, and I thought he was doing a character.

SPEAKER_00 35:33

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 35:34

And some of his early stuff is kind of funny. Uh the the fat that fake TED talk he did was kind of funny. That the first time I watched an inconvenient anime, if you're familiar with work, I haven't watched that, no. So an inconvenient anime is in which he he pulls a prank by he he manages to book doing a talk at an anime convention, which is him giving a history talk about the Buster Sword from Final Fantasy 7. Yeah, the premise of it's very funny. Um, but the the it devolves into this weird talk about where he's just talking about how all like Japanese men are perverts, and like it goes into like weird Obama like race territory, but he had people like block off the entrance to the showroom he was in so people couldn't leave and stuff. And like at the time I thought it was funny because I thought he was just making fun of anime nerds, but now like my whole context of knowing who he is now and that he is just like a white supremacist, um peppers that a little bit. But yeah, no, I um I'm assuming you're bringing gonna bring up his interaction with Tim Heiderker, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 36:49

With uh with uh around the canceling of uh Million Dollar Extreme and uh yeah, I mean I feel like neither party looked great and like Tim like it's uh you see like it's interesting to see Tim not feeling confident.

SPEAKER_01 37:11

Are you specifically talking about the time that Sam Hyde called into his podcast and he kind of like shut him down? Yeah, like yelled him down, basically.

SPEAKER_00 37:20

Yeah, because Sam called in was blaming Tim for getting his show canceled.

SPEAKER_01 37:25

So there's actually a lot of context behind that. So the reason why Tim reacted that way towards him in that specific interaction was that was not the first time Sam Hyde had called into his show. I figure blaming him. Yeah, and also there had been years of like Sam's fans basically sending him and his family death threats, yeah, like over the internet. And again, so over a million dollar extreme getting canceled, that actually had nothing to do with Tim Heiderker. Um you know, Sam seems to think that it did. And in interviews, Tim has made it very clear as that he didn't even know who Sam Hyde was until the show got canceled. And and and something he's even stated after the fact was like, I have no poll at Adult Swim, like my fucking show got canceled, like at Adult Swim. Like, but it um it's really interesting because Tim across his social media stayed in character as his right-wing persona for years until that happened, and he kind of made like a public statement being like, Yeah, I'm not gonna do this anymore because I want to make it very clear what I'm doing is satire because we've gotten to a point where it's not entirely clear like if this shit is satire or not. Yeah, especially he he did specifically because of Sam Hyde, because there were so many people like me who thought that Sam Hyde was doing a parody of like racist, like white supremacists. Like I had just assumed that. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 38:49

Um, but well, yeah, it's it's that kind of thing where at least like in my friend group, you know, we would always try to like say do like the most uh in offensive stuff amongst our like little group of of uh chuckle fucks. And that that definitely we pulled back on that a lot when like real ass Nazis were having like political, clear, explicit political power. Yeah. Uh yeah. No, I once that started happening, it's like, oh, like racism is very much still here and now even more like center stage, and it's just like, oh, this isn't okay anymore. It's not it's not fun, it's not funny anymore.

SPEAKER_01 39:31

Yeah, I think there was a period of time, a short period of time where I you could sort of get away with doing that sort of edgelord humor. Yeah. Um, no, yeah, because my friend group did the same thing. I mean, I think there was we were all doing it with the you know sense that we were satirizing or trying to satirize, you know, racist, you know, shit and just things we had observed. I mean, because like you know, we all grew up during the Bush administration and like just everyone was so like just ultra racist during that time. Like it was so normalized that after that there was this period of time where I feel like there was some sort of like catharsis to like pretending to be like that and kind of making fun of those people. Yeah. But yeah, like you said, that was also the under the assumption where everyone kind of thought, like, oh, we've moved past this, and then it became very clear, no, we have not. We can't. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 40:27

It was like, oh, this is all clearly tongue-in-cheek, like no one would seriously be like this.

SPEAKER_01 40:33

But then it turns out that quite a lot of people were, and then came into power.

SPEAKER_00 40:41

Yeah, unfortunately. But yeah, I was just I'll just bring that up because yeah, I didn't, you know, I didn't have that full context. Um because I've gone down the rabbit hole a bit, you know, enough to kind of just see the general outline of the trajectory of like that show.

SPEAKER_01 40:59

So part of why like Sam Hyde, Sam Hyde's fan base had been sending Tim like death threats was actually even before Million Dollar Extreme even I think got a season on Adult Swim. A lot of those people were fans of Tim and Eric because like Tim and Eric and like Tom Goes to the Mayor was very apolitical. I I feel like anyone could get into those shows. And then once Trump started rising, you know, Tim started aggressively like satirizing Trump, like you see it in on cinema. You he has all of his anti-Trump songs, and um, once he started doing that, he yeah, started basically like getting death threats and shit from Sam Hyde's fans because they were fans of Tim and Eric and they were like mad that he wasn't on board with the Trump shit.

SPEAKER_00 41:53

Wow. Yeah. I mean you can tell someone who someone is by how they act, but also like their fans. Like I don't imagine I remember back when uh when Alex Jones was still a thing, and like he would talk about these like interactions with his fans, and like I saw some footage of it, and it was just like, oh man, it would suck to it to create that kind of fan base. Oh my gosh.

SPEAKER_01 42:19

So speaking of which the the this is a little off topic, but have you seen the clip of Connor O'Malley interacting with Alex Jones during Trump's first uh inauguration? Connor O'Malley goes up to Alex Jones with a microphone. He's like, Alex Jones, I'm a big fan. Anyway, I got swamp foot. And he's like explaining this like esoteric made-up medical condition he has, and Alex is just like, oh yeah, that's uh sounds really hard.

SPEAKER_00 42:45

Anyway, Eric Andre as well has had uh interaction with uh Alex Jones, very similar. But yeah, the Alex Jones like fans like all like like literally kicked him out like with their feet and fists.

SPEAKER_01 43:03

Yeah, he he has a small fan base now because he basically went back on everything he believed in. Well, not that he ever really believed in any of it, but yeah, what he sold for the last 20 years. Yeah. I don't know if you've been following any of the new uh Tim Heideker-led InfoWars stuff, but Oh shoot! I've gotta catch up on that. It's I I I'm gonna say it again. I don't think Tim Heideker's uh Alex Jones impression is very funny, but it seems like the whole thing is dedicated to just making Alex Jones seem as silly as possible. The uh the new mascot of InfoWars is the InfoWars elf.

SPEAKER_00 43:42

But yeah, I brought I brought up the whole Sam Hyde thing because again, it was just like, oh, this is like the first time seeing Tim break as like a person, like the the character, a character is not there, it's just Tim. And seeing him like frustrated as well. And so it was like, oh, I get like a taste of like kind of part of probably what he's mining for the frustration of the character that he plays. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 44:09

Yeah, because Tim is so good at playing angry that I have to imagine that he's got some real anger.

SPEAKER_00 44:18

I think he has some real anger. I think he's got some kind of uh uh Larry David. I think not quite to that degree, but I think that he does have like kind of this Larry David, like, you know, if little micro things get to him and like kind of build up. He's got some frustrations that kind of build up under the surface.

SPEAKER_01 44:42

Confusing amounts of self-hatred. Yes. But that aren't too serious. Yeah. Anyway, so Decker episode 4. The terrorists are gonna blow up the Super Bowl, but they are going to blow up Central Park today. And I think a very funny detail is that he asks to get a helicopter to go to Central Park, but then he immediately starts going there on his motorcycle, which he is very, very, very slowly driving for several minutes.

SPEAKER_00 45:13

Several minutes. So it's long enough that the royalty free music that they use plays through and has to be restarted. And obviously, I'm sure it's in your notes. A cyclist passes him on the downhill.

SPEAKER_01 45:30

Yep. But yeah, he uh he drives to Central Park, which again is very clearly uh outside of LA. Um Abdul is there with a bomb. He tells Decker it's Allah's will to blow up Central Park, but the subtitles say Alan's will. Alan's will, which is very funny.

SPEAKER_00 45:51

Yeah, and uh they they have a very intense fight.

SPEAKER_01 45:56

In my notes, I said very silly fight. Whoa, whoa. That's uh slander. I'm not honoring the death of sorry, Goliath is just ripping a very long fart.

SPEAKER_00 46:08

I might have to I might have to step out. Depending on how nuclear that is. We'll find out.

SPEAKER_01 46:15

His his farts since I switched him to the new food haven't been as bad. Okay, good. But he throws the bomb in the air and it explodes into the American flag.

SPEAKER_00 46:27

Yeah, which I thought that was very thoughtful of the terrorist Mark Brock to do is to make the bomb blow up in the shape and color of the American flag, which can be seen from space.

SPEAKER_01 46:41

All right, moving on to the next episode of On Cinema. Greg apparently is now into being into Decker. He's seen it, I guess. Yeah. Yeah. What do you think of that? Talking about Greg? Yeah, why why is Greg now into being in Decker?

SPEAKER_00 46:57

Because everyone keeps telling him how happy they are with it.

SPEAKER_01 47:02

We skipped over it on cinema after cinema. Yes. Which I don't know why they did it like this, because this is literally the only time they ever break it up like that. Which, like I don't understand why they had to separate a separate segment for it because it's like 90 seconds long.

SPEAKER_00 47:20

You know, I think uh it's just the kind of decision that that Tim, the character, would make.

SPEAKER_01 47:30

I will say in this uh segment on cinema after cinema, and this is going to mean nothing to you, Caleb, but Tim mentions that his son lives in Arizona, and that's all I'm gonna say. Okay. To the current fans.

SPEAKER_00 47:43

Well well, what I'll say about that is that if his son lives in Arizona, then his son shouldn't have any problem living in Wyoming either. Because uh I think both places have a severe lack of things to do. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 48:02

Unless you live on Lake Havasu. Lake Havasu? Okay. But yeah, Greg's now into being into Decker because everybody's writing them cards, which may or may not be written by him.

SPEAKER_00 48:17

Yes. The veracity of those cards doesn't matter so much as the feelings it spurs in Tim. Because Tim is getting very jealous and annoyed that his uh Vanity project is not feeding his vanity, but is instead feeding Greg's.

unknown 48:38

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 48:39

They review the Expendables 3. I don't know if you mention if you notice, but he mentions that Tom Cruise and Tom Hanks are in the Expendables 3, which they are not.

SPEAKER_00 48:49

Whoa. Why why didn't Tom Cruise and Hanks both agree? I mean, that was already a stacked cast, so it was already a stacked cast. I mean you got Don Levin in there.

SPEAKER_01 49:04

Yeah, Tim makes it very, very clear Decker is not inspired by James Bond. No.

SPEAKER_00 49:10

No. He it was surprisingly inspired by 80s action movies. Who knew?

SPEAKER_01 49:17

We get another on God location. Tim makes it clear that he's getting fed up with the on the uh oh god segments.

SPEAKER_00 49:26

Yes, and deprives him of uh of deprives him of another mailbag segment because he already squandered his uh on location segment with another oh god location.

SPEAKER_01 49:41

Yeah. And then let's see, we get the Decker finale, which is mostly just Decker berating President Davidson and then Decker or sorry, Davidson talking about how great Decker is.

SPEAKER_00 49:52

Yes, to a bunch of people who have popcorn, uh to families sitting around watching a new segment all mushroom popcorn.

SPEAKER_01 50:03

And then episode eight of On Cinema, Greg gets Tim flowers and champagne to celebrate the finale of Decker, which I thought was kind of sweet.

SPEAKER_00 50:12

Yeah, some beautiful brown flowers in a primary blue wrapping.

unknown 50:18

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 50:19

Which Tim uses the moment to inform Greg his character won't be in the next season of Decker.

SPEAKER_00 50:24

Yeah. Well, because the enemy's gonna be the CIA, they're not really gonna need to like use the CIA. Well, it really makes sense, you know.

SPEAKER_01 50:34

And then they they talk about the sequel to Sin City, which a couple of things here. Tim says that the sequel to Sin City reminds him of Sin City. Greg uses this as an opportunity to explain why Kington should be in the next season of Decker, because they got rid of all the old characters from the first, you know, Sin City.

SPEAKER_02 50:56

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 50:57

And Greg also says that Back to the Future Part 2 is a huge flop because they got rid of all the characters from the first one. Pretty sure Back to the Future Part 2 is like the most successful out of all of them.

SPEAKER_00 51:10

Yeah, yeah. And I'm pretty sure they maintain all of the same characters because they weave in and out of the previous movie. Yep. Yeah. Uh I don't know if you have any notes for this episode. Well, we get the fourth on God on location.

SPEAKER_01 51:27

Yeah. And Tim is just I think he threatens to fire Greg over this.

SPEAKER_00 51:32

Yes. Yeah. Which is justifiable because again, I don't know anyone else who's ever heard of the movie Oh God, let alone seen it or care enough to know where the shooting locations were.

SPEAKER_01 51:48

It's just one of those Greg things. Very funny.

SPEAKER_00 51:52

Yeah. And they skipped to a popcorn classic because Greg cannot be trusted with on-location segments anymore.

SPEAKER_01 52:00

Which is a popcorn classic they've already done before. And Greg can't remember if they've already done it before, but Tim does remember that they've done it before, and they did in fact do it last season. Oh Diam looked.

SPEAKER_00 52:12

Yeah, because they're like, no, no, no, we did QA, not IQ. No, they did IQ before. Yeah. And Greg is not even excited about it, it seems, but that's because he's happened to do a last season.

SPEAKER_01 52:25

Yeah, he he Greg doesn't do well on his feet. Well unless he's being called out for lying. Oh, he is. And then he he does do well on his feet.

SPEAKER_00 52:38

He does. Yeah, he's really good at uh spinning some yarn, uh, as they say, to avoid accepting accepting a truth that he doesn't want to accept.

SPEAKER_01 52:50

Yep. Alright, so episode nine opens with Tim explaining that he's super hungover because he was partying with some bikers, and Greg immediately asks him if he told him about the accident. Yeah, I'm guessing I'm guessing not. Guessing not. Tim mentions he got a tattoo, which I don't think ever comes up again. I'd love to see.

SPEAKER_00 53:12

Well, actually you would know.

SPEAKER_01 53:13

I wouldn't. You started watching season two of Decker, right? No, I haven't. Oh, you haven't? I haven't. Okay, well save that note for next episode because I'm making a connection here. I didn't make it before. Okay, okay. But yeah, they're they're reviewing a Pierce Brosnan movie. Every time they do, Greg can't not bring up Bond. I just think it's really funny that Pierce Brosnan is Greg's favorite Bond because he's like widely considered to be like the those are like the worst Bond movies, right?

SPEAKER_00 53:45

I think Goldeneye's well received, but yeah, the the future the other Pierce Brosnan movies I don't think are very well liked at all. I mean, the the like last one they did was like really, really bad, especially the ending of it. And that's kind of like what made them do the sort of like gritty reboot with uh like this is getting too ridiculous even compared to like the 70s movies or whatever. Well, also I just want to say that it is not just a movie with Pierce Brosnan, and it is a kind of 80s action style movie with Pierce Brosnan starring. It's almost like designed to challenge Greg and Tim's you know movie sensibilities. Exactly. Yeah. You would think it would create a bridge, you know, uh optimistically. You would hope that it would create a bridge between the two, but no, it does not.

SPEAKER_01 54:41

No, the only time bridges are made between the two is when Tim is desperate. Oh yeah. True. Yeah, it's revealed at the end of this episode that Ayaka, in fact, did not have the abortion and has had their baby. And she named Tom Cruise Heideker.

SPEAKER_00 55:02

Yep, she had the baby and is holding a doll. I didn't even notice that. I always notice it now, ever since uh American Sniper. I was like, that's not a baby. It's a thing in a blanket. I've never seen American Sniper. I have not watched it all the way through. It's a very long movie.

SPEAKER_01 55:23

I just know that the guy that that movie is based off of was like actually kind of like a psycho.

SPEAKER_00 55:32

I mean, if you're a sniper I feel like you kind of have to be.

SPEAKER_01 55:36

Well, it wasn't that I think like he he turned out to be like a huge crazy racist, and then like a lot of the book was just like not true. Oh, yeah, yeah. Yeah.

unknown 55:45

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 55:45

Or something like that. I mean, who's gonna who's gonna argue?

SPEAKER_01 55:49

If you're uh if you're a true pa patriot. I bet Tim would love American Sniper. But yeah, uh once it's revealed that Ayaka had the baby, Tim has fled the scene.

SPEAKER_00 56:00

Yeah, he just dis he's just gone. Yeah, thank you.

SPEAKER_01 56:04

Yeah, and so we get to the last episode. Tim announces he is leaving the show. He's not gonna be back, and he is moving to Jackson Hole. Yep. Permanently. I forget what the movie they review is, but Char Char Charlie's Theron is in it, and he calls her Charles Theron, which I thought was pretty funny. Yeah, but yeah, he has not watched the movie because it has too many kids in it.

SPEAKER_00 56:28

Yeah, I just you can't do that baby stuff. Uh I can't handle that right now.

SPEAKER_01 56:33

Yeah, and Greg reveals that Ayaka has come back to America and is trying to get a hold of Tim, and Tim is ignoring her, and Ayaka is currently living with Greg. Uh, which he notes because it makes it very hard to watch movies in his apartment. Yeah, there's a baby there. And he he found his missing 500 days, his 500 movies in 500 days list in Ayaka's bag.

SPEAKER_00 56:57

Again, I you know, this is another thing that I got I I don't understand how that happened. Because I don't think Ayaka stole it. Well, that Tim Tim put it there. Yeah. Oh, he was trying Yeah. Yeah. He was plant he planted it. He wanted Ayaka to see it.

SPEAKER_01 57:13

Well, and Greg kind of alludes to that. He he you know because it's okay. But yeah, the the season ends with some choice Tim lines. He says to Greg, you're probably gonna jump off a bridge without the show. And I think the last line he says is, I am a perfect person. The people around me are full of shit. Yes, yeah, yeah. And then it ends with the cover of hot shots. Well, promotional cover only. Promotional cover of hot shots. Uh yeah, so that that was a long episode. I was having a hard time because I'm tired as fuck. I apologize to the listeners if uh some of that was hard to listen to. Hopefully, I can edit it into a listenable state. But gonna end the episode like I always do. How are you feeling about the show, Caleb?

SPEAKER_00 58:04

You know, the more Decker we have, the better I feel about the show, to be honest. I love Decker and I can't wait for next season because I hear well, I visually see in the timeline that it is substantially Decker.

SPEAKER_01 58:19

Oh, yeah, we're gonna get we're gonna get about twice as much Decker next season. I'm excited to talk about it. Um, I think the second season of season two is like peak Decker.

SPEAKER_00 58:29

Yeah. I like this season more than last. And uh seems like they've sowed enough seeds for the future to be promising, which sounds weird to say about this show.

SPEAKER_01 58:44

Keep in mind the first like five seasons, I think they they filmed all of this like within two years. So next week we're gonna talk about season six as well as season two of Decker. Until next time, this has been the other on cinema at the cinema podcast. We have an Instagram. If you want to follow us, we're just the other on cinema podcast on Instagram. If you want to shoot us a message and tell us about the movies, but until next time uh adios, amigos.