Ball Lightning, Orbs & Behind The Scenes - The Episode That Almost Wasn't But Is

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SPEAKER_04 0:05

Then why don't we do this? Why don't we take the research we've done and then you do background and orbs and then we can do like ball lightning versus orbs? Because then that covers a supernatural, and then it tells the clarification between the two things.

SPEAKER_05 0:21

I think orbs is a big one.

SPEAKER_04 0:23

Or do you want to just scrap the whole thing?

SPEAKER_05 0:25

Orbs is orbs is a very big one. Like orbs, I think we can really get into because orbs could be. In fact, one of the explanations for orbs might be that it's ball lightning misinterpreted as an orb. But I kind of maybe I approach this in the wrong way and I separated ball lightning and orbs from each other. Because there's the ufologists who believe that uh orbs are an alien race, that they're like a uh like a their own thing. Yeah, what do they call them? They're like uh like a being that doesn't have a body, like a what do you call that?

SPEAKER_04 0:58

Amorpheus.

SPEAKER_05 0:59

Like something yeah, like something like that.

SPEAKER_04 1:01

Um no, I'm thinking that Wendy can't tell somebody it's male or female. That's what I was missing.

SPEAKER_05 1:07

That's our That's androgynous, isn't it?

SPEAKER_04 1:09

Yeah, androgy then that's not what I mean. Amor Amorphous? Is that what what is that? Am I making it like ethereal?

SPEAKER_05 1:17

Ethereal beings.

SPEAKER_04 1:18

They're like oh ethereal. Oh, I was right. Amorphous without a clearly defined shape or form. Yeah, yeah. Thank you very much. I don't I don't even know where that came from.

SPEAKER_05 1:28

So there's those that the u apologists believe in the city.

SPEAKER_04 1:31

I love when my brain surprises me, and I'm like, big words, big words. How did I even know that? Press the shit on myself.

SPEAKER_05 1:36

And then this like the paranormal community thinks that they're spiritual entities, and then there's other people who think they're like interdimensional entities. So I kind of in my mind had those two things very separated. Maybe that's my my mistake.

SPEAKER_04 1:48

So why so what we could do then is just go straight for orbs, and the bit of uh research I did on ball lightning, we say sometimes confuse with ball lightning. Yeah, blah blah blah, and you've you've then we just slide that in.

SPEAKER_05 2:00

You've got both stories as well. So you've got like what was essentially ball lightning and what is orbs as well.

SPEAKER_04 2:05

What is ball lightning, maybe an orb.

SPEAKER_05 2:06

Maybe maybe an orb. And then you're gonna be able to do it.

SPEAKER_04 2:08

I genuinely never thought about it being an orb. I'm not kidding. Well, because you gotta think at 16, when your parents tell you something, you're just like, yeah, that must be it. Yeah, and my dad immediately just like said, Well, it's ball lightning. So it until this moment, it never even occurred to me that it might be an orb.

SPEAKER_05 2:24

Sure.

SPEAKER_04 2:25

Um and then, and then when I was uh progressed or whatever, when I was doing my regression, and I was an orb and the other thing was an orb, that's another orb story.

SPEAKER_05 2:35

And you were definitely not you weren't ball lightning.

SPEAKER_04 2:39

You weren't ball lightning.

SPEAKER_05 2:40

Imagine that was like just your misinterpretation.

SPEAKER_04 2:41

Hey, and can I tell you something else? What since we're talking? Um My mom at one point, she really thinks she saw a UFO.

SPEAKER_05 2:55

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SPEAKER_04 3:24

She was going to Georgia with my family and dad. She's like such a uh passenger seat driver. She um she broke her a bone in her foot that most people don't have.

SPEAKER_00 3:35

Okay.

SPEAKER_04 3:35

Um while putting down the imagin uh putting down the imaginary brakes while my dad was driving through Atlanta traffic. She broke a bone. And so I was like, me and my dad, I was talking to him about it. I was like, Yeah, I was like, Well, you know how mom is, and this is like last year. And he's like, you know, it turns out I also had an extra bone in my foot and I broke it in the coal mines. And I was like, that's weird. So then I look it up, like these extra bone, because I'm like, where is this coming from? Yeah, I mean, to have two parents that aren't related, yeah. Um, it showed up on these lists of like uh proof you've been abducted by aliens.

SPEAKER_02 4:12

Oh shit.

SPEAKER_04 4:12

No kidding. And I was like, the fact that both of them and we lived out in the middle of nowhere, and then there's the ball light. There's so many like different little things.

SPEAKER_05 4:19

I was like, have you had your foot checked out to see if you've got the bone then?

SPEAKER_04 4:22

I haven't, but I was I'm really curious. I told Rachel I said, I want to go to the hospital and just pretend I have a foot problem, so they'll give me the scan and then go.

SPEAKER_05 4:30

Maybe maybe that's enough. Maybe if you just went to the hospital and be like, Doctor, like I think there's an extra bone in my foot or something weird. Like is it possible?

SPEAKER_02 4:38

Is it possible? Sorry, she should come.

SPEAKER_04 4:41

But I just thought that was so because he'd made such fun of her for having the extra bone in her foot, like she was defective, and then he ended up having the same thing. That's weird. Bizarre.

SPEAKER_05 4:50

I've never heard of that. Is it like an extra meta, what do they call them? Meta tarsals, like a one of the long ones type of thing, or I I should ask more questions.

SPEAKER_04 4:59

I don't know. I don't know.

SPEAKER_02 5:00

Freaky foot.

SPEAKER_04 5:02

My mom told me, I just I just honestly didn't grasp onto it. It was like one of those, like, yeah, you broke a bone in your foot and you just let it go. But then once my dad said, I was like, Yeah, that's now it's interesting. And that they both broke them. Yeah, even more interesting, and that that's common too with the whole UFO thing, is that you end up having an injury with this extra bone, which is really bizarre. Anyway, throwing that out there.

SPEAKER_05 5:27

You wouldn't even have the injury if you didn't have the extra bone type of thing.

SPEAKER_04 5:30

Exactly. How weird is that? Um, so okay, well, I I vote for orbs then because I don't want to do a whole science episode, it would make any sense.

SPEAKER_05 5:40

Um, yeah, I mean, like it was there was very little. The the only like I said, the only thing I could find that was in any way alluded to mysticism in any shape or form was people not understanding it up until now.

SPEAKER_04 5:51

That it's ball lightning and not yeah, you know, I would have to learn more about orbs, but now I'm kind of suspicious because some of the things in here, I was like, well, that wasn't my experience. I actually thought that when I was going through the science, I was like, well, that wasn't mine. I mean, people do say it comes through windows, and mine came through the window.

SPEAKER_05 6:11

That that's one of the things that I found like really odd about the way that it behaves, is it uses existing portals, you know what I mean? Like it goes through the door, it goes through the window, it does a lift. Like that's I don't know if I mean like that's that's that's more orbish, though, right? It shows a level of intelligence, like a consciousness.

SPEAKER_04 6:28

Like, I'm gonna go out the door instead of And the fact that I felt scanned and then I look it up and like other people feel like judged or scanned.

SPEAKER_05 6:36

I love the fact that you felt judged by it. Like it can't since when does weather phenomenon judge? Like, you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_04 6:42

Like Yeah, but you know, I didn't even think about it till I was trying to explain it, and I was like, it's kind of weird because I kind of felt like it was judging me. Like I couldn't move.

SPEAKER_05 6:52

I know it was just when you say judging, do you mean like it was like scanning your body, or do you mean it was like or you mean it was like making assumptions about your personality? Like this girl looks like a bitch, or like what do you mean when you say judging?

SPEAKER_04 7:05

That would have been funny on the microphone. I do not like what you're wearing.

SPEAKER_01 7:10

Those shoes, no.

SPEAKER_04 7:14

That would have been the perfect thing to say. Um, no, I I specifically told Sean, I said, I felt like it was like scanning me. I said, and I was like processing it, but I was like, because in my mind, I'm like, well, scanning, you think of like a red thing of you know, like scanning, and I was like, not like scanning, not like there was a line or anything, but just like like being judged. And I really hadn't being observed. I had genuinely because my dad dismissed it. So and then I called my dad and I was like, Dad, I was just looking up about ball lightning. I said, Do you remember? He's like, Yeah, and I said, Why didn't you tell me it's a big deal? He's like, Well, I don't want to freak you out. I mean, he literally rolled back over in bed, so I thought, like, okay, no big deal. Apparently, lightning just shows up in our house now, and that's okay.

SPEAKER_05 7:55

But it does like it, it seems to like there, there's definitely this crossover or this link between and you know, like I said, in my mind, I had them separated as two different things, but the more you think about it, the more there does seem to be like a some sort of a link there. Like, so the the different reports that I've read, like of people recounting it, there was one where it was like um an air hostess in a plane 30,000 feet in the air, and the ball lightning, and all the people on the plane saw it, it entered the plane, it made a hole where it came in through the plane, which is obviously not good. Um and then it followed her down the aisle, like it didn't go over it was judging her. It was it was judging her ass. Um but it followed her down the aisle, and when she stopped, like one and I'm I think I think she was trying to get away from it, understandably. Like she was like hustling down the aisle, probably with her drinks tray. And then when she got to the end, like and she stopped, it stopped, and then it like it went at an angle and exited the plane and made another hole.

SPEAKER_04 8:48

To me, that's supernatural. That's like a that's something thinking.

SPEAKER_05 8:51

That is consciousness, right? I mean, like and the fact that it went down the middle of the aisle rather than like over the heads of people or something, it's like and it, you know, it just and it didn't just dart through one hole out the other. Yeah, it's all right, yeah. I mean it this weird. It's it's weird. So there's got to be I don't know if we need to like try and find a way to separate what people talk about as ball lightning from what people talk about as orbs. Um I mean, okay, the the next question that I have for you then is about um by the way, I am recording this, so it might just end up as like an episode regardless. Because we seem to we seem to be doing okay. Um but um you you have that photograph of orbs by your pool, right? Remember like the uh the one that you sent to the the the ladies from I Did Not Sign Up for this podcast?

SPEAKER_00 9:36

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 9:36

Okay, so would you just you describe that if I remember correctly, you described that as like a round orb.

SPEAKER_04 9:41

Those I described as orbs because they were perfect little circles with a so and connect like and when they moved when the picture changed, they were uniform together. Because remember, it was like three like this.

SPEAKER_00 9:54

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 9:54

So it wasn't like if it was a light flare, it would have but all three moved sure together.

SPEAKER_05 10:00

So but then my question is in your mind, why did you separate those orbs and you've described them as orbs from the ball lightning thing? Like what what's like you've seen them with your own eyes?

SPEAKER_04 10:10

Because my daddy told me it was my daddy said so.

SPEAKER_05 10:13

But like characteristically, like did they were they vision?

SPEAKER_04 10:16

I'm being serious. Huh?

SPEAKER_05 10:19

Wait, I mean, character like the characteristics of the of the different like the different things that you saw. Do you I mean, do you in your mind's eye or in your memory, do you perceive them as different? Did they look different to each other? Did they behave differently to each other?

SPEAKER_04 10:31

Oh yeah. The ones in the in the bush, first of all, they were green. That's A. Um, but I had that same sense of being watched, because remember I thought my mom was there. And then I I I got out of the pool because I didn't want to be like, oh, you've been in the pool too long and sun and whatever. So I started taking the pictures. And then I see them driving up. So they weren't even in the house at the time, but I did have that sense of being watched. But no, like when you're I honestly, I've just never had a chance to sort of um process anything other than my dad had said it was ball lightning. Then later on I researched it because nobody knew what ball lightning was. And uh yeah, I mean I my original direction was it was ball lightning, so I never strayed from that thought. But I, you know, I didn't ask my dad what was in the bush, so I made my own assumption that it was orbs. But it's weird because like they seem like yes, it I just never really occurred to me that it might be orbs.

SPEAKER_05 11:25

Characteristically, they seem like the same, like the same thing. They're round.

SPEAKER_04 11:29

Well, the one the one that came into my room was like I mean, I'm showing you, but I'd say like this big.

SPEAKER_05 11:35

How big is that? Like the size of a grapefruit.

SPEAKER_04 11:38

Bigger than a grapefruit. I mean, a little bigger than a grape.

SPEAKER_05 11:41

Why are the size references? Why do we always reference things by fruit?

SPEAKER_04 11:44

Um, it was like the size of a well, I've said before I said it was like this is what I said originally. It was like a really big softball. Okay, which I remember made Sean laugh because he's like, What is that? He's like like a volley. I was like, not quite like a volley, like a soft ball and a but like in between. Okay, and but it was by the window, and of course, like I'm away from it, so I have to keep that in mind as far as size goes.

SPEAKER_05 12:05

Cantaloupe, it's about the size of a cantaloupe. Cantaloupe. Okay, good. All right. I interrupted you, so it was by the side.

SPEAKER_04 12:11

But it did this like um, in fact, what I put on the cover, that blue, that I found one like what I saw, it was like blue, and and it had a uh an it did have an electric hum, like a like that. And I couldn't, I couldn't move. And I and and again, I don't even remember waking up. I just was standing there and I'm staring at it, which that's weird. And um and actually at first I thought I was dreaming because I'd been reading a wrinkle on time at the time, because I love this book when I was 16. And then I was like, thing I remember processing, like, no, I'm totally awake, like and I'm just staring at this thing, and it and it and I was getting ready to say it was staring back at me, but that's what it felt like. Like it was actually I I don't know any other word. It was like judging me. Yeah, and then all of a sudden it like went it's not like I saw it disappear, but it just went zzz and then it was gone.

SPEAKER_00 13:04

It was gone.

SPEAKER_04 13:05

It made that noise like this. So that part lends itself to maybe it was ball lightning because of the zzz. I don't know, I don't know if orbs make sounds, but there was a sound.

SPEAKER_05 13:14

So many questions, so many questions. So wait, hang on, I'm gonna go all the way back to that. So, like all the way back to the beginning. You you woke, you you you woke up already standing and looking at it. So like you weren't conscious until until I don't know how to describe this. You were already you you you had been sleeping, eyes closed in bed. And your next conscious memory is standing up and already looking at staring at it. This that's fucking weird. That is fucking weird. Because if you're you're already standing and staring at it. It's so supernatural, like but but it definitely is. That I mean, that is the I'm just getting creeped out at the idea of like a 16-year-old you going from asleep to fully standing and staring, eyes open, looking at this entity orb lightning phenomenon thing in your room. Eyes already opened. That is bizarre.

SPEAKER_04 14:07

And let me describe my room.

SPEAKER_05 14:09

Yes, because I'm gonna draw pictures while you describe, so I've got to get it sent. Okay, go.

SPEAKER_04 14:14

Because we lived in the middle of nowhere, nowhere, like nowhere, nowhere. Like no North Carolina nowhere. No city water.

SPEAKER_05 14:21

Okay.

SPEAKER_04 14:21

Uh, we had well water.

SPEAKER_05 14:23

Well, I've heard of this place. It's called Butfuck Nowhere. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 14:25

Yeah. You go to the end of the world, you turn left.

SPEAKER_05 14:28

That's where I was raised. Okay.

SPEAKER_04 14:30

And so we didn't have curtains because we um because we it was only us. Okay. And so uh my bedroom had bay windows. You know what bay windows are? I don't know if that's an American thing or an everywhere thing. Bay windows.

SPEAKER_05 14:45

I've heard of these things called homes and bay windows before.

SPEAKER_04 14:48

Well, I didn't know, but you know, you never know what's shut up, Xander. But like the house is built on a hill. And what I loved about my room, aside from getting to pick the carpet, which was cotton candy, I call it cotton candy, it was like purple and pink and blue, anyway. Um, was that when I woke up, it was like you were in the clouds. A lot of times there was fog and stuff. And so it felt like I was waking up in heaven. That was always my like, oh, so the thing is there was no curtains, no obstruction. And these bay windows, and this thing's on the inside of these three windows, like on the inside. Crazy.

SPEAKER_05 15:26

And like, I mean, how far in distance away from you? Like, if you were to reach out, were you were you able to touch it type of distance?

SPEAKER_04 15:32

Or no, I would have said, like I'm I'm bad at dimensions, but I would say like ten feet? Ten feet, I'm not. It was more than a person, like if a person was laying down, I couldn't have reached it.

SPEAKER_05 15:44

Okay. Maybe okay, I'd have to think like the length of one and a half of me lying down, basically, because I'm six foot, so six, seven, eight.

SPEAKER_04 15:52

Like I'd say eight foot. Okay.

SPEAKER_05 15:54

Like about me and me and a bit, me and a bit me and a mini me away from you. You and a mini you away from this. Me and the fucking thing.

SPEAKER_04 16:01

But it's not like it could touch me or I could have touched it, but I and it's weird because I was I know I wasn't like terrified. I think I was shocked and sort of in awe of what was happening. I wasn't like scared. Yeah. Like, you know, I wasn't like crying, like, please let me go, or anything like that. It was just just this really weird experience. The part that I'm saying. And then and then my my dad made me like after he said, Oh, my friend saw it in the Navy because there was another, like, there's another report. My dad says it's ball lightning, and I was like, Okay. And so then I went back to sleep and literally didn't think that much about it until my son was 16 playing football. So that span, yeah, and then trying to explain it to people, and then realizing like nobody knows about ball lightning because it yeah, it's not like something we grew up talking about, like it really never came up.

SPEAKER_05 16:51

Sure.

SPEAKER_04 16:52

Um, because my dad had it made it so like normal when he was explaining, he was like, Oh yeah, it's ball lightning.

SPEAKER_05 16:57

Why why did the conversation come up with your son? Just because he had metal in his helmet and you didn't you you were worried about his helmet, or did what did something happen at one of the ball games?

SPEAKER_04 17:04

Or yeah, I was sitting next to my ex-husband. Yeah, and I said, I can't believe they're making them play ball in the rain with the lightning striking. And my ex-husband, the attorney who likes to fight with me, said, uh, it isn't lightning. That's parents taking pictures with flash, which is hilarious because I'm an idiot, right?

SPEAKER_05 17:26

And so I can't tell the difference between weather phenomenons coming from the sky.

SPEAKER_04 17:31

Exactly.

SPEAKER_05 17:31

Like fucking Karen over there with her flash and her camera. Exactly. Stupid Karen, stop flashing your camera.

SPEAKER_04 17:38

It's crazy. Yeah, there's there's no lightning, it's just flash from cameras. So I start taking pictures to illustrate the lightning that I'm seeing. And and when I did, I saw I did it. It was definitely a flare from the camera off one of the big, you know, the big stadium lights.

SPEAKER_00 17:56

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 17:56

And I said, Oh, look, this looks like ball lightning to him. And he was like, What's ball lightning? And I was so proud of myself for knowing something he didn't know because he knows everything.

SPEAKER_00 18:04

Yeah, and then when I went to tells.

SPEAKER_04 18:07

Yeah, exactly. And when I went to tell my boyfriend, he also didn't know, thus the research. Because I was like, wait a minute. I could it's that moment where you're like, I'm not crazy. Like, I didn't make this up. This this is a thing that happens. Yeah, like and I thought it was more normal again because my dad was so blasé about it.

SPEAKER_05 18:23

The the the part of that all of this, the part that freaks me out the most is thinking of a 16-year-old you going from fully asleep to standing up looking like awake, eyes open, looking at this thing floating in your room. To me, that like the the trunk, the unknown time between that lying down, sleeping you, and standing up looking at you. I mean, okay, so so many questions. I mean, like the so many questions that I don't think you'll be able to answer.

SPEAKER_04 18:45

I may have disappeared for seven hours.

SPEAKER_05 18:48

We don't know, exactly. Like, we don't know how long had you been standing there for? Like, and that's a good point.

SPEAKER_04 18:54

What did happen? I know when I was aware, but I don't know how long I'd been standing there.

SPEAKER_05 18:58

Exactly. And and what happened in that time that you were standing and looking at, and who knows, you might have been interacting with, or I mean, maybe it was I mean, you know, judging you or scanning you or assessing you or whatever for a good 45 minutes. Bringing you back, bringing you back, right? I mean, giving you giving you messages, like we we just don't know. Like, and that's the part that freaks me out about that story the most.

SPEAKER_04 19:24

Like, you know, well, and then if you tie it to the regression I had where the third life went in. Oh my god, yes, yes, and it was this it was a blue ball. It was a blue ball. Now I have tied those two together. Like, it's weird that I saw a blue ball and it was a blue ball. Yeah, that's odd.

SPEAKER_05 19:41

So many blue ball jokes right now.

SPEAKER_04 19:42

And and she roll had said during the interview that um that some people think that they're that those are alien beings or that they're transport for alien beings.

SPEAKER_00 19:53

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 19:53

So that the whole ball, yeah, blue ball could be a could be its own transport for an entire race, for instance.

unknown 20:03

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 20:03

Like all just in that little, you know, huddled in that little ball over there. It could be it in for all we know, it could be an entire cosmos. It could be like, you know, we don't know relative size of things.

SPEAKER_04 20:12

There's it's the men in black when he throws out the marbles at the very end. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Um I cracked myself up.

SPEAKER_05 20:20

You did. You're choking yourself out there. That's crazy. So there's definitely got to be a connection there between ball lightning um and orbs, and one either being explained, like orbs either being explained as a weather phenomenon that is ball lightning. Because, you know, like we said, I feel like we should do this episode. I feel like we've got enough to fill an hour. What do you think? Do you want to do it? Should we do it? Let's just try. We can just wing it. Okay. Okay. All right. Do we know enough about orbs? I think we know generally enough about orbs.

SPEAKER_04 20:48

You know enough about orbs. I think you do too.

SPEAKER_05 20:50

You've had a but you've at least had experiences about orbs.

SPEAKER_04 20:53

I I isn't it funny because you asked me things like what did you ask me? And you said, Oh, I started talking to my mom about that, and I still haven't researched the way I should have. And I was describing the soldiers in my dream. I said, because Xander pointed out, why haven't you like investigated something that happened with somebody being stabbed by the river?

SPEAKER_05 21:11

And I was like, I just it these things happen, and then I just accept them that I don't you just accept them as part of your normal existence, which is a little bit fucking questionable, I'll be honest. Like, yeah, it's like, you know, totes were stabbed by a soldier by the river, whatever. What's for what's for lunch? Um progression. Um I I actually went and Googled it. So I I was trying to find, but I I wasn't like, I don't know all the details the way that you know the details. So I went and Googled um uh what was it? Uh I forget uh what was the time frame that you said that it happened in?

SPEAKER_04 21:45

I would have said colonial. Yes, that's it. But then my mom was very suspicious it wasn't even America. She was like, because when she was like in Ireland and stuff, she said she had such a familiarity there. She goes, Are you sure it's America? And I was like, I don't know.

SPEAKER_05 21:59

I think Um well I I think I might have entered USA as one of the parameters when I did the research, but I think I put in colonial. Um I definitely put in the thing about children dying under the floorboards of a house. I put in the keywords for like traitor, um, and like traitor family kill, children hiding under floorboards, house burnt down, children.

SPEAKER_04 22:17

I've already done more than I've done too.

SPEAKER_05 22:18

Uh like I did, but it came up it like it didn't come up with anything that I was like, okay, that's that's like hugely familiar. But I also don't know the details the way that you would know the details.

SPEAKER_04 22:27

But their pants were black, and my mom said in America their pants would have been white or cream colored.

unknown 22:33

Okay.

SPEAKER_05 22:34

I don't know. The Union soldiers and things like that.

SPEAKER_04 22:36

Right. And so uh she sent me a couple pictures of different countries that had the black uniform, but it hadn't occurred to me that black would have been different for us.

SPEAKER_05 22:45

Black sounds to me like it was British because they had black and red, I think. Let me have a quick goog. British.

SPEAKER_04 22:51

Well, it was yeah, it was black and red, like that dark, like crimson red almost though, not like bright, bright red.

SPEAKER_05 22:58

Um I think like the You said it was uh crimson red. Yeah. Like uh blood.

SPEAKER_04 23:08

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 23:10

Um British killed me. Typical. Typical.

SPEAKER_04 23:19

Why do I like that accent? I should be really wary of that accent.

SPEAKER_05 23:22

Like the British Army definitely wear black black pants, black pants and a red jacket. So like in their days, if they were fighting in America, your mum is right, there would have been blue or cream, according to the goog. Um but like the the more So maybe it wasn't in America then. It could also depend on the ranking. So like it looks like some wore blue and some wore black. So maybe it had to do with like their ranking.

SPEAKER_04 23:44

I just did mention that ranking would have made it.

SPEAKER_05 23:46

Yeah, yeah. Um interesting stuff. Interesting.

SPEAKER_04 23:52

Yeah, you know, my dad said ball lightning and I went with it. So until this very episode.

SPEAKER_05 23:58

Now we're now we're making all sorts of connections.

SPEAKER_04 24:01

Um Well, I did, I mean, I think even when I told you, I said a lot of weird things have happened to me, and I explained the ball lightning, and then and then I had the regression, and then when David Bowie died, I was doing a post for Facebook and I was trying to find a cool quote by David Bowie. And when I did, I saw the blue because it was like uh the thing Oh, because the other thing was when I was doing this deep meditation, I was in the center of this now. I found pictures of it, this sphere. But when I explained it to Sean, I said it was like we used to he I used to be a puppeteer, he used to do balloons, so you know what I was talking about. But you would make this, you blow this balloon and you pull the middle into the core to make an apple, and that's what I was in the middle of. And so when I went to look up uh David Bowie, all of a sudden there was a picture of the thing I'd been trying to explain out of nowhere, and then I found out later that David Bowie thinks he was an alien, completion, and all that stuff. And I was like, oh, so that's why he was coming up. But there were all these connections of this blue light that came from my meditation, from um ball lightning, from regression.

SPEAKER_05 25:12

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 25:12

Now the orbs in the bushes were green.

SPEAKER_05 25:15

And your your parents both having a weird extra bone in their foot. Like what?

SPEAKER_04 25:20

Like we're all pretty convinced. You can't even say that on the podcast because people be like, oh, she's from West Virginia, it's probably that's what I worry about. Like I know they would be like, Oh, well, they're probably sister and brother, so probably genetic. That's why I started with unrelated. I feel very defensive about this.

SPEAKER_05 25:45

You know, like how and whatever we talk about on any episode of the podcast, it always comes back to being aliens. Um guess what the answer to you is aliens.

SPEAKER_04 25:55

And this one, and if we're gonna do it, just because I was gonna throw out some a little supernaturally thing here, because when I went through the 10, I I I made up a list because I kept finding different answers, and so like this. But my number four is many black holes created during the big bang. That's a weird one, right? Okay, and then uh alien presence was actually one on the list, and then um vaporized ground material. You know what? Here's the thing even if it's science, first of all, it's weird, yeah, and it's still unexplained. It's they can't reproduce it entirely the way it should be. And uh for a long time they thought people were just out of their mind and they just made this crap up, you know. Um clouds of charge. Oh, my favorite. What was the oh here it goes? Uh providing basis for the long lifespan, bouncing movements, so basically lightning embryos. Isn't that a great term?

SPEAKER_05 26:54

Lightning embryos, lightning embryos, little baby lightnings.

SPEAKER_04 26:58

Because they think one of the theories, but but it's like a very thin one because p there's so many parts of it that won't wouldn't explain like the movement and the erratic and all that, but that it's uh it's like a ball of air and it traps the light inside. Again, that's more miraculous than if it was you know supernatural.

SPEAKER_05 27:18

That's a pretty big idea that's a fucking ball of air. Like that's a right? That's good because I mean air is like what the most I mean the tiniest of molecules, right? And then to hold the light inside, to to bunch together as if they were creating like some sort of an orb or a like a shell around it. Like that's the cooperation of a lot of little bit of air particles, hydrogen and oxygen.

SPEAKER_04 27:40

See, that's the part where it gets really a little complicated, is the difference between science and and the paranormals, because I there was this one uh interview with somebody talking about um Moses parting the Red Sea and about drowning the Israelites, and they were like, Oh, well, our science has proven that it's only it was only four feet of water, and the person came back and said, Isn't it a bigger miracle that they drowned the Israelites in four feet? Four feet of water like when you start arguing the other side, you're like, Isn't that also a miracle? Or or I read this book, it was called uh The Walkabout in Australia, and she had been it's this whole thing, but she had been taken by the Aborigines and whatever, and they could communicate uh telepathically, and she was just in awe. And they said, he said, My people are in awe that you can call someone with 25 cents across the world, because you know, it's when there were pay phones, yeah. And it's like, well, yeah, that's a miracle too. You know, like it's it even if it's science, even if you can prove it with science, does that make it any less of a miracle?

SPEAKER_05 28:41

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 28:42

Um and it's still fascinating and weird and strange and you know.

SPEAKER_05 28:46

That but I mean that there's that is so true because even the the things that we can't explain, you know, like with the existence of our sun and all of these fucking amazing atoms and nuclear explosions going off a bajillion times a second, in itself is a miracle. So it's kind of like the miracle of science, right? Um Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 29:03

And then well, yeah, just because you and and too, um, I know he's on the bad list right now, but CK Lewis, who said he was talking about somebody complaining in the airplane because they didn't have Wi-Fi, and he's like, We're we're in a chair with how many feet below us flying through the air, like you know, basically F and N grades, you know. It's um we're flying right now, and you're complaining about Wi-Fi. But you do have to like look around and go, the fact that we're you and I are talking and you're in China and we're recording a podcast.

SPEAKER_05 29:38

I mean, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 29:40

It's stuff I can't explain at all. It it to me, it's I don't know how the light switch works, honestly.

SPEAKER_05 29:47

So well, we can we can thank Tesla for his ACDC currents, his alternating currents on that one.

SPEAKER_04 29:53

Yeah, my dad can explain it. He wasn't electrical.

SPEAKER_05 29:55

No, that wasn't Tesla, it was somebody else. It was somebody else. Tesla's the guy who came. I fuck it, I'm not even gonna get into that.

SPEAKER_04 30:00

Um it wasn't Tesla's the one they stole it from. It was Edison who did the, but Tesla's the one they stole it from.

SPEAKER_05 30:06

Edison did the light bulb.

unknown 30:07

Right.

SPEAKER_04 30:08

But the switch, like oh, you're saying for the ACDC.

SPEAKER_05 30:10

Yeah, that the switch, the alternating current that made it electricity more efficient and less dangerous. Anyway.

SPEAKER_04 30:14

I think that was ACDC The Rock band.

SPEAKER_05 30:16

It was ACDC The Rock band. You know, fun story, fun story. I was back in South Africa on a holiday from China, and I found out that ACDC, in in their senior citizen type of years, which is what they are, um, they were playing at some like benefit concert in South Africa somewhere, but they were landing at Cape Town International Airport. So guess who went and hung out at Cape Town International Port Airport. Did you hoping hoping to see ACDC? And then when I got there, um I ended up sitting in a coffee shop where I knew, you know, because I'd basically given up because I was like, I actually have no idea what these dudes would look like now.

SPEAKER_00 30:51

I have a beard. You know what I mean? Like Z Z Top.

SPEAKER_05 30:54

Like I'm I was sitting there thinking, like, having this like mental image in my mind of what ACDC looked like on the cover of their albums from the fucking 80s. And then I was like, okay, it's like 2017. I have no idea what these dudes are gonna look like. I was like, four old men could walk past me, and I'd be like, Are you guys AC DC? Are you guys ACDC?

SPEAKER_04 31:14

If they said yes, you'd be like, okay.

SPEAKER_05 31:15

Okay, I was like, that that is the most un-rock star fang group like thing to ever be, is just walking up to old people in the airport.

SPEAKER_04 31:23

That's hilarious.

SPEAKER_05 31:24

Asking them if they're rock stars.

SPEAKER_04 31:26

Um do you know how they got their name?

SPEAKER_05 31:29

Uh uh well, I I know a lot of like um Christian conspiracies. It like I've heard like after Christ the Devil Comes is one of the acronyms, ACDC. Um obviously I but the truth of it, no, I don't.

SPEAKER_04 31:43

Uh the s one of the sisters of the band members, it was on like the mini-bake oven. It said ACDC. So she read it off and they named it that. I was like, because I heard all the conspiracy theories growing up, and I was like, well, that's a really boring story for an exciting name. It was just like on a mini-bake oven. She's like, A C D C okay.

SPEAKER_05 32:02

And it's talking about the alternating current. Yeah, that's that's all that was about. How boring. Um, okay. I don't know if we like, do do we want to go back and start recording this from the beginning, or do we just want to carry on chatting?

SPEAKER_04 32:13

We'll just keep talking. Hey, did you know what else I found that you won't play because you don't think it's a miracle? Lemming, since I did the research. Um, it's up to you. What do you want to do?

SPEAKER_05 32:29

Um okay, let's go. I don't I don't know. Because the we like the okay, let's just go back to the beginning and start again.

SPEAKER_04 32:34

It it is kind of fun. We've had fun banter.

SPEAKER_05 32:36

We have had fun doing this. Like, I'm I was I just had this like thing playing in my mind.

SPEAKER_04 32:39

It's probably one of our best episodes. This is what I'm thinking.

SPEAKER_05 32:43

Like totally informal. I'm thinking like I might just end, you know.

SPEAKER_04 32:47

Maybe we should always be doing this.

SPEAKER_05 32:48

Just could be like let's not research topics and see see what the fuck we come up with. We'll do like the bare minute. I did too, but my research led to fucking nowhere. It was terribly boring.

SPEAKER_04 33:02

And now you know how I feel when you make me try to find the science of the other stuff.

SPEAKER_05 33:06

The science of demonic possession.

SPEAKER_04 33:08

Like, what the hell am I gonna say? It's it's sleep paralysis again. So well, I mean it's mental disorders.

SPEAKER_05 33:14

Again, it's always the fucking mental disorders.

SPEAKER_04 33:17

I was so happy not to see shadow people or sleep paralysis this time.

SPEAKER_05 33:21

It's more finally. One that doesn't cover those things. Something different. Um deep sleep. Well, I mean, if this if if this little banter that we've had going on, we've had it gone going on for quite a while now. We're good for 40 minutes in. We're at least one of our episodes in already. Um, if this does make it onto the podcast stream, um, I hope the listeners are understanding of the fact that this is just one of those unscripted, unedited, just us shooting the breeze.

SPEAKER_04 33:47

Yeah, well, I just want to make sure that our listeners understand the origin story before we did the research for all the science and and had this personal experience, and then I come on and Xander's like, this is bullshit.

SPEAKER_05 34:02

I didn't say it was bullshit. I didn't say it was bullshit. I discredited the paranormal side of it, and I think they'll hear this if if let me take you back to 20 minutes ago when I said when I said that it was orbs are a completely different thing to ball lightning, and I and in my mind, in my mind, I had them separated. But the more we talk about this conversation, the more I'm convinced that they're possibly one and the same thing, that either all orbs are ball lightning or all ball lightning are orbs.

SPEAKER_04 34:33

Um maybe it's like a Boolean circle, you know, like they have that overlap like right in the middle, is where they're a sweet spot.

SPEAKER_05 34:40

Yeah. So you get this.

SPEAKER_04 34:42

I think maybe, maybe I saw the baby of ball lightning and an orb. Maybe like ball lightning and orb got busy and I saw a baby.

SPEAKER_05 34:52

But which one was the baby? Was it the weird 16-year-old waking up out of or was it the one by the pool when your mom was coming home?

SPEAKER_04 35:00

No, the one by the pool was aliens.

SPEAKER_05 35:02

There's just no I want to know, I want to know how you're making that distinction though. Like, what makes you feel so that those two things were not the same?

SPEAKER_04 35:09

Really? No, actually, at this point, now I'm wondering if the first ones were aliens because um, well, two, having resources, like I told you, like several of the things I was like, well, that wasn't exactly my experience. And now I want to learn more about orbs because maybe that's more my experience. But but because my dad said specifically it was ball lightning, I've just sort of clung to that idea that it was ball lightning. So in your mind, you had to be. So that the only distinction was that I was told that it was ball lightning. If somebody had looked at the, you know, what I saw at the well, I didn't see at the pool, what the camera saw at the pool and said, um, oh, well, that's ball lightning. I'd probably think that was ball lightning too. Oh, that's weird. That was probably ball lightning. It's green, but we'll just roll with it.

SPEAKER_05 36:08

Does does your dad listen to the podcast? Would he would he hear this episode?

SPEAKER_04 36:11

Would he hear he does not listen to the podcast?

SPEAKER_05 36:14

What is it with family not listening to the podcast? They were like, We we will support you. And then you're like, actually, I can see the location download stats, and I can see where you are, and there's fuck all downloads for there. So thanks for it.

SPEAKER_04 36:24

You know what you just said is the reason I have not introduced him to our podcast the first time he hears the F-bomb, he's gonna be like, What are you doing? Just tell him it's not me, it's Sandra. It's not me. I only say them off air.

SPEAKER_05 36:42

We edit those F-bombs out. There's a whole other reel of those. There's a gag reel.

SPEAKER_04 36:47

It's a really nice boy.

SPEAKER_05 36:49

Those are for the blooper reels.

SPEAKER_04 36:50

Fuck a lot.

SPEAKER_05 36:52

A lot. A lot.

SPEAKER_04 36:54

Um, but like it's part of his culture.

SPEAKER_05 36:58

He's a fucking South African.

SPEAKER_04 37:00

Um he doesn't he didn't have the good parent raising that I had, obviously. I am trying to make him a better person. Podcast by podcast.

SPEAKER_05 37:09

That's what your like your your like your plan has been all along, is just like one episode at a time to slowly make me.

SPEAKER_04 37:16

How to boil a frog.

SPEAKER_05 37:19

How to make me a better human. You're probably writing a fucking self-help book, like a how to book on the side there, aren't you? I know you.

SPEAKER_04 37:26

I might let my dad listen to this one now.

SPEAKER_05 37:28

You've always got something. Bring him to Jesus, Daddy. Bring it in to Jesus. Um I'm trying. I'm doing the best I can with what I've got. There was there was another uh like a ball of lightning story that I found on uh Reddit. And before I before I go into this, like Missouri, what uh what do I need to know about Missouri? Like, is Missouri would would we consider that like a like a metropolis? Is Missouri a state? What do I need to Missouri's like uh she's shaking her head? Missouri's a state.

SPEAKER_04 37:59

Yeah, I know, like so so everyone can hear. Uh no, I mean it's it's more uh you know, southern vibes Southern vibes. Yeah, yeah, southern vibes.

SPEAKER_05 38:07

Um I wasn't sure about Missouri or where Missouri was or if it was a state. It's a state, right? It's a state of Missouri. Missouri's a state. And what famous cities are in Missouri? Columbia.

SPEAKER_04 38:17

St. Louis?

SPEAKER_05 38:18

Columbia University is in Missouri, isn't it?

SPEAKER_04 38:20

St. Louis? St. Louis St. Louis is in Missouri.

SPEAKER_05 38:22

Okay. Um so anyway, there was a lot of Did you hear my hesitation?

SPEAKER_04 38:25

I'm like, yeah, that makes sense. I think I learned that. Sounds right.

SPEAKER_05 38:28

Sounds about right. I mean, I wouldn't know. Um, but there's so there was this one dude in Missouri. Um I'm oh now it's all coming back to me. Um and I think I heard this on the strange sessions where St.

SPEAKER_04 38:38

Louis is a city and it is in Missouri. I just confirmed it with Google. Okay, go ahead.

SPEAKER_05 38:42

Good. You gave it a goog. But I remember from the strange sessions when they did one of their um episodes on like weird facts about Missouri. So it's definitely a state. Um so you you can pronounce it.

SPEAKER_04 38:51

I did know that one.

SPEAKER_05 38:52

You can pronounce it Missouri. Missouri, he said.

SPEAKER_00 38:56

What the fuck did I just say?

SPEAKER_05 38:58

Missouri. Missouri.

SPEAKER_00 39:00

Missouri. Missouri. It sounds French.

SPEAKER_05 39:03

It sounds like misery. Oh my god, that's what happened. The French people got there, and they're like, This place is miserable. I feel misery. And they were like, Oh, Missouri, I like that, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 39:13

That's exactly that's exactly how it happened.

SPEAKER_05 39:15

That's a nice little history lesson for everyone.

SPEAKER_04 39:18

Yeah, uh how the state actually got it. Fun fact that isn't true on the Zambia. Miserie.

SPEAKER_05 39:23

This place is miserable. Um sidebar, sidebar. We're just spitballing. Sidebar, absolute sidebar. When when I was in like grade, oh god, it must have been like grade eight or nine or something like that. Uh, my history teacher, because history is one of the subjects that I took, we could pick our subjects um in by then, and I took history, and my history teacher was this very Afrikaans man called Mr. Swart. Um, and you know, like Afrikaans people roll their R's when they talk, especially when they speak English. It kind of like in Afrikaans you roll your R. Um, but when they speak English, obviously it sounds a little bit odd. Um, so you like the the red dress. Um, anyway. Oh uh but we he was I can't even remember what the history lesson was about because everything else I've ever learned from him was overshadowed by this singular moment when he said, Um, this past weekend, my wife and I went to the theater and we watched Les Miserables. And I was just like, no. That sounds like that's awesome. Sounds like the play about disgruntled lesbians, the Les Miserables.

SPEAKER_04 40:28

Um is that not what it's about?

SPEAKER_05 40:31

It is, it is. That is the subplot. That is the basic subplot. It's like the underlying theme, but you have to really be familiar with dramatic works to just be able to even pick up on that. It's very subtle. Pull out the subtle extrapolations. Yeah. Um, anyway, so back to this Missouri, or as I was trying. Wow, we've had a lot of side sidebars. Um we're like we're like three sidebars in now.

SPEAKER_04 40:52

Um this feels like our first episode.

SPEAKER_05 40:56

Which which has the highest number of downloads, so maybe it's a theme we should stick to. Um but uh maybe so on the strange sessions when they did the Missouri uh weird facts, strange things in Missouri, they called it Missouri, or you can also say it is Missouri. Missouri. Even though it's blatantly spelt with an I at the end. I'm not even Missouri. Missouri, Missouri, Missouri, Missouri. Um so there's this dude uh on Reddit and he said he saw ball lightning in Missouri and it says something uh I went on a canoe trip with my brother and my grandpa in 2005. It was a three-day three-day trip down the current river in Missouri. It started raining late afternoon on our last full day, so we pulled into a gravel bed on the side of a 200-foot rock and set up camp for the night. It's a really bad place to set up a camp on the side of a 200-foot rock. Sounds dangerous. Uh, we had flipped our canoe earlier that day, so everything was soaked, and we were exhausted from swimming upstream. There's everything about this. You should not go canoeing in a river. You're sleeping on the side of a rock. You had to swim upstream. Um, we were exhausted from swimming upstream all day. Get back in the canoe, you fucking idiot. Um trying to get everything. Swimming upstream, man. Why, yeah, exactly. Wait, that none of this makes sense actually. This in the first paragraph, this entire story has lost credibility because he says we flipped the canoe earlier that day, so we were soaked and we were exhausted from swimming upstream to get everything that wasn't tied down. Wouldn't things float downstream, not upstream? Yeah, credibility. Credibility out the window. Um, we had been canoeing all day for two days solid at this point, so we went to bed pretty early on the side of a 200-foot rock. Um I woke up in the middle of the night, it had stopped raining. I didn't think it anyway. Um we'd woke up in the middle of the night, it had stopped raining, and saw a ball of light about the size of a car headlight so nine to twelve inches floating above our tent, moving at about five point five meters a second and flickering around at 0.5 hertz. How can you be that specific about after you swam upstream? I mean, we were exhausted from swimming upstream, couldn't figure out that you shouldn't swim upstream and that things float, things float downstream. So if you just stayed where you are, they would have come to you. Um I calculate that flickering to be at about 0.5 hertz. Um busting out his soggy calculator. Um imagine a lightning bug level of flickering on and off, but the size of a car headlight. I was incredibly tired, so passed over, um, so it passed over the tent and it and I ignored it and fell back asleep. I woke up to the same thing sometimes late, sometime later, but this time I got out of the tent and saw hundreds of these balls floating toward the rock wall. Something tells me they fell off the rock during the night and he hit his head or something. And hundreds more stuck to the side of the wall, still pulsing, all at the same frequency, but out of sync. Thought to myself, huh, that's odd. That's what he wrote. That is a little odd. Huh, that's odd. Um, but I was so tired I didn't think anything of it and just went back to sleep. Okay, so they're sleeping. A lot of this story doesn't add up to me. There was drugs. Drugs, drugs, yes. Woke up the next morning and found out my brother and my grandpa had seen the same thing all at different points in the night. We asked the person working at the canoe rental about how to use canoes, no, about it, and they looked at us like we were crazy, so we never really told anybody about it. It was a year later when I saw an article on the Hesdillon lights and realized that this is a well-known recorded phenomena. What I have never seen though is references to more than one or two of these balls at a time. I've never seen anything with literally hundreds of balls floating on the side of a river rock wall. Should go to like a gay canoe weekend. You'll see.

SPEAKER_04 44:47

You'll see as many. Hundred of them.

SPEAKER_05 44:49

That'll like a nudist colony gay weekend getaway and he's balls floating everywhere. Um I'm a skeptic. I know it's not paranormal, supernatural, but I want to know what it is. My current theory is I believe that it was abandoned. Okay, so this is interesting. The believes, because this guy's super clever, he figures he figures out the hurts of the flickering. So we know he's got his He's a man of science. He's a man of science. Um, and you know, all men of science are probably pretty shit at canoeing. Um, but I believe that there's an abandoned sulfur mine in the area, and somehow these sulfur deposits are creating an electric charge that was then attracted to something on the rock wall. Question mark. I don't know why I felt the need to speak out the punctuation. Question mark. Um just found this community and thought I'd see if anybody had an experience or anything like that.

SPEAKER_04 45:37

Um Well, there is a stench of sulfur that comes from the falling.

SPEAKER_05 45:42

I read this too.

SPEAKER_04 45:43

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SPEAKER_05 45:50

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SPEAKER_04 46:39

Um oh yeah, the with the silicon theory is that it it um the soil combines with oxygen and carbon and turns into pure silicon vapor and then condenses into fine dust. And then they also think that materials other than silicon, such as aluminum and iron metals, may also cause the orbs. They use the word orbs. Um, and that any atmospheric charge, not necessarily lightning, may explain why ball lightning has been cited near power near power poles, electric fitters, and even active faults.

SPEAKER_05 47:09

False okay, faults. And I mean, faults, that's a lot of activity going underground. He said as he rubbed his hands together to emphasize the word faults. Yeah, but yeah, faults, because that that creates a lot of kinetic, like uh a release of kinetic energy, which would have things like static and electric charge and all of those sorts of things as well.

SPEAKER_04 47:25

So maybe he wasn't on drugs, maybe he's just really tired. Maybe swimming upstream.

SPEAKER_05 47:29

Swimming upstream with his canoe, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 47:31

I'd be tired swimming upstream.

SPEAKER_05 47:33

My biggest question is why didn't they just get back in the canoe? I just don't just understand that part. I really don't understand that. So many questions. So many questions, none of them related to the ball lightning. Um, it's all about your skills as a canoe. Um I don't know very much about canoeing, but I I know that if it tips over, you flip it back over and get back in again. And you tip tiple the water out. Um I don't know, maybe, maybe I'm too logical thinking. Um but they like I've I've read like when I was doing my research about um ball lightning, and subsequently now that we're talking about orbs as well, um, I've like the the the behavior of ball lightning is absolutely fucking weird because it really does seem to have a conscious behavior. Like it like we said, it it chooses to exit and enter via existing like architectural portals. I feel so fancy when I say that. Architectural architectural portals. Um you could just say doors and windows, Sand. That would be fine too. Um but it seems to like your way architect- I can't even say it properly now. Architectural portal say it with me. Architectural portals. It's very sexy. Portals. It's very um that's that's what I'm gonna refer to them as from now. Um somebody's knocking on the architectural portal.

SPEAKER_04 48:45

Um or the door. Or the door, either way.

SPEAKER_05 48:49

Could you just fucking say door? Um but they they do really like they really seem to behave with like some level of consciousness um because they exit and enter, like we said, through the doors and the windows, or they specifically follow people around. Um, and there's very few, very few accounts. They do exist, and there are accounts of people who have actually come into physical contact with them. But a lot of the reports seem to say that they stop just short of actually physically touching somebody and then dissipate, um, or you know, fuck off in another direction or something like that. Um and there was one I'm just like madly scrolling through Magoog here to quickly find it. Um, and it's it's one by an air hostess. Oh, I told you the air hostess one already at the beginning. Yeah. Um but where where is it? Uh here we are. In 19, in January 1984, ball lightning measuring about four inches in diameter diameter, entered a Russian passenger craft and according to the Russian news, flew above the heads of the stunned passengers in the tail section of the airliner. It divided into two glowing crescents, which then joined together again and left the plane almost noiselessly. Noiselessly? Is that a word? Almost noiselessly. Almost noiselessly. It's very difficult. It's noiselessly noiselessly. Um left the plane almost noiselessly. Missouri. Or noiselessly. The ball lightning left Missouri. The ball lightning left two holes in the plane. That's weird, right? That is weird. That is weird. That's strange.

SPEAKER_04 50:19

It's almost mystical, it's okay. And almost supernatural.

SPEAKER_05 50:23

Kind of paranormaly. Um almost paranormal.

SPEAKER_04 50:29

This is the episode that almost wasn't.

SPEAKER_05 50:32

Almost wasn't. Shouldn't have been, but it is. Um maybe, maybe we should. I'm I'm definitely gonna, we're gonna do very, very minimal editing on this just to get out things like my coughing or your coughing or anything like the the anecdote that you told about your mom that she doesn't want out there. So we'll edit that out. We'll edit that out. This part that I'm saying now might stay in. So just let the listeners know that you missed out on a really good story about her mom. Um mom, I'm sorry.

SPEAKER_03 50:58

I told him in confidence.

SPEAKER_05 50:59

There's a secret. Does your mom listen to the podcast?

SPEAKER_03 51:02

My mom does listen to the podcast.

SPEAKER_05 51:04

Yay, thank you for supporting us. And I'm sorry for I promise I won't tell anybody the story. I promise I won't tell anybody the story.

SPEAKER_04 51:12

Um I do keep some secrets, mom. Just not from Xander.

SPEAKER_05 51:18

Now I will. Now I will. Now you will. Lesson learned. What were we saying? What were we talking about? I've completely lost my train of thought there. Um the episode that isn't? Yeah, okay, the episode that shouldn't have been, but probably will be.

SPEAKER_03 51:34

It almost wasn't.

SPEAKER_05 51:36

The one that might never have been. I didn't think it was stupid. I just couldn't, I just didn't, I hadn't made the connection. Like what I was doing about ball lightning and orbs is the same that you've been doing since that you were six, since you were 16, is not recognizing the fucking connection. So give me a break.

SPEAKER_04 51:51

That's true.

SPEAKER_05 51:52

I didn't do it for like two days. You did it for like my whole life. 24 years. Yeah, 10, 10. Did you see me frantically doing math in my head going that was far too high? That number was too high, too high, too high, too high.

SPEAKER_04 52:07

Um God's sake. Damn it.

SPEAKER_05 52:12

Okay. Um, so when I when I was doing the research that I'd done about ball lightning, the the earliest account that I could find for ball lightning went back to something like it was in the 1600s. Um, I'll tell you the message in a second, in 1619. Um, and of course, you know, like the record keeping wasn't terribly good back then. So the record that they do have is from this dude called uh Pierre. Oh god, you know I'm gonna slip into just a very offensive Spanish accent at some point in what I'm about to say.

SPEAKER_03 52:38

I love your offensive accent.

SPEAKER_05 52:40

Um but it was Pierre John Porcar. I'm gonna roll my R's um and probably sound more Afrikaans in Spanish. Um, but the it's this document um entitled, and I actually had to edit out the Spanish one because I was like, there's no way I'm gonna try and say that.

SPEAKER_03 52:54

So the English, the English dude in Spain.

SPEAKER_05 52:57

There's one listener in Spain, and I would like to keep them. Um the the the the manuscripts entitled Things That Happened in the City and Kingdom of Valencia. Uh, and the document now is held in the Real Academia de la Historia, which is the Royal Academy of History in Madrid and Spain. And it's this like it's a diary. It's somebody's like, Dear Diary. Um how do you say dear diary in Spanish? Do you speak Spanish? Do you speak Spanish?

SPEAKER_03 53:25

Uh not en not enough to get through that.

SPEAKER_05 53:29

Mi amigo giornal. Muy bien, muy bien, muy bien, mi amigo Jornal.

SPEAKER_04 53:35

Muy bien.

SPEAKER_05 53:36

Muy caliente. Um anyway.

SPEAKER_04 53:39

I was practicing this evening with my students. In fact, I was giving them all the words I know. And they're limited.

SPEAKER_05 53:44

In Spanish. I know like caliente, caliente is hot, and mi amigo, that's my friend. Um, and jalapeno, because that's a pepper. Um, and then anything related to food, like taco. Is taco actually even a Spanish word? Like, is that just I'm suspicious it's just enchilada, enchilada.

SPEAKER_04 54:03

And bibliot bibliotec is library soda is white trash. Okay. I won't say that I've been called them, but I know what it means.

SPEAKER_05 54:16

Okay. Caliente. Caliente.

SPEAKER_04 54:19

Oh, caliente, caliente. Caliente is caliente is hot. Hot, right? And then why and then agua is water.

SPEAKER_05 54:26

Water. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 54:27

What what are we doing?

SPEAKER_05 54:28

I'm trying to talk about a Spanish ball lightning thing. We love talking. What is happening? I don't know. Um we we may have gotten off track with this episode. Off the rails. Uh but so the the the report that I've got here that dates back to 1619. Um, it's from a diary that covers a period of the f from the 1st of January 1589. I love the fact that it's recorded as from the it's it's a diary that covers from the 1st of January 1589 because you know that was somebody's New Year's resolution.

SPEAKER_01 54:58

They did it for 12 days.

SPEAKER_05 54:59

Back in the 1600s, they were like, I will keep a diary from starting in the new year. Um I shall record. Just like January 1st and 2nd, and then fuck it. Um but it's a diary that covers the period from the 1st of January 1589 to the 30th of December 1628. So that's pretty impressive. He he stuck to it for a while.

SPEAKER_03 55:20

He did.

SPEAKER_05 55:21

Um, and it includes 3,392 records covering a wide range of social, political, environmental, astronomical topics. Um, but the account of the ball lightning is the one that stands out the most. And the translation into English about this account, um, written uh at the monastery of PI. So, you know, I would say that is pie. Like the I would say that is pie. Let's all say that as pie from now on.

SPEAKER_04 55:44

I think I think, yes, we have confirmed that it is pie.

SPEAKER_05 55:47

It is pie. Um or it could be P. Like um, I don't know. I was trying to Spanish people, how would they say PI? P. I don't I don't I really don't know. I'm going with Pi. Let's go with Pi. Okay, so the lightning in the monastery of Pi at Olivia or at Oliva. Oliva. Yeah, Oliva, not Olivia. Oliva. So it probably means olive. Friday, the 18th of October, 1619, St. Luke's Day at 8 p.m. at the Monastery of Pi of Oliva Francis. Um, a bolt of lightning strikes the preacher's cell in the church, it crosses the wall and comes into the church, falling into the tabernacle, and it smudges the face of Our Lady of Pi, which is a statue, by the way, and burns off her rough. I love that. Burns off her rough. Um, because people still wore ruffs in those days. Ruffs, that like weird fluffy collar thing that people wore around their neck.

SPEAKER_04 56:39

I was wondering.

SPEAKER_05 56:40

Burnt her rough.

SPEAKER_04 56:40

Do you think it was just a euphemism for a cookery like well it so a diamond in a rough was just a diamond?

SPEAKER_05 56:48

Sorry. Rough, rough R-U-F-F. Do you think it burns her in the rough? It like smacked her in the vag or something.

SPEAKER_01 56:56

I don't know.

SPEAKER_03 56:57

You know, if anyone out there is still listening, this is on you.

SPEAKER_05 57:02

Your own fault for sticking around. Um it burns her in her rough. The sentence only gets better. It burns her in the rough and then goes down to the tabernacle. This is so fraught with innuendo.

SPEAKER_04 57:16

Uh thank God we didn't name it P.

SPEAKER_05 57:20

Yeah, it's Pi. Um, so okay, let me let me recap. Let me recap here. Ball of lightning. It strikes at the preacher's cell, crosses the wall, comes into the church, and falls into the tabernacle, where it then smudges the face of a statue, which is called Our Lady of Pi. It burns off her ruff and goes down into the tabernacle and opens it. Jesus, it's so fraught with annual.

SPEAKER_04 57:43

You're making this no way.

SPEAKER_05 57:45

I'm gonna buy that you're reading this. This is this is true. And it overturns the Jerusalem cross and then hits the ground. In the church, a father, you know, a priest father, saw the lightning, was like a burning rolling vessel above the altar. It exited by the choir, which I'm assuming is a place, and then rolled by the cloisters. So many words. Rolled by the cloisters and climbed up the stairs. That's sexy. This is very I'm gonna I'm gonna do this whole thing in a very sexy porno voice, saying unwait, because it just takes on a whole new meaning.

SPEAKER_04 58:20

Um another reason my dad doesn't listen.

SPEAKER_05 58:24

He doesn't need to hear it. Okay, wait. Uh on Friday, the 18th of October, 1619. I'm not gonna do it, it's gonna take too long. All right.

SPEAKER_04 58:34

I was into it.

SPEAKER_05 58:35

St. Luke's Day, 8 p.m. at the monastery of Pi, on Oliva Francis. A bolt of lightning strikes at the preacher's cell, crosses the wall, and then comes into the church, and falling to the tabernacle, smudges the face of our lady of Pi and burns her rough, goes down on the tabernacle and opens it and overturns her Jerusalem cross before it hits the ground. In the church, this is like a whole graze, like 50 shades of grey. This is like 20 shades of ball lightning.

SPEAKER_03 59:11

You're going straight to hell. Yeah. This is no question now.

SPEAKER_05 59:18

Um It exited by the choir and rolled by the cloisters and climbed up the stairs, descending the stairs with Father Sullah and Father Garoni Sulla, who were brothers. There's a big shock, because they had the same fucking last name, didn't they? Um with Father Sulla and Father Garoni Sulla, who were brothers, they lowered their heads to to the they lowered their heads to the ball of fire, and sick with fear, the aforementioned Garoni Sulla died. God, how dramatic. Fell dead.

SPEAKER_01 59:47

You laughed.

SPEAKER_05 59:50

People were such weak bitches back in the day.

SPEAKER_03 59:52

Like, but he can't.

SPEAKER_00 59:55

I mean, how weak.

SPEAKER_05 59:57

Like, there's gotta be some sort of pre-existing medical condition because you don't just see a ball of lightning and then drop dead to the floor from view. I didn't. You didn't, you're still here. You felt judged.

SPEAKER_03 1:00:07

I was 16. I was 16.

SPEAKER_05 1:00:09

Maybe he felt like he was just that judged, like he had just been so judged, he couldn't even carry on.

SPEAKER_04 1:00:15

So I felt pretty good to go.

SPEAKER_05 1:00:17

Maybe he thought the ball lightning saw all of his sins. Um anyway, so the aforementioned Gironi Sulla died on the same night and time. Luis de Berguera and Gaina's son, Gaina, G-I-N-E-R. Gaina's son see a scary glow. They look up and see in the sky a bar of fire as long as a spear and as wide as a hand that immediately vanished. As long as a as long as a spear and as wide as a hand. That's I mean, whose hands are we talking about? Uh anyway, okay. I feel like this bit might get edited out because that story got weird. It was just good that was just a weird fucking story. Anyway.

SPEAKER_04 1:00:58

I think well, I think it's intriguing. It's w well, it's the story that at least I could find back when I was researching it the first time about the Well, well, this isn't the one where the church burns down the room.

SPEAKER_05 1:01:08

No, no, no. But tell us that story, because this is just the one where the priest dies and the lady's rough gets burnt.

SPEAKER_04 1:01:14

I did the science.

SPEAKER_05 1:01:15

I don't have to written down. Okay.

SPEAKER_04 1:01:18

No, no. I mean when I just was telling my ex-boyfriend about it. I I found the story about this ball of lightning that whipped through the church and burned the church down.

SPEAKER_05 1:01:28

I think I do. I think it's on Wikipedia, actually. It might be it might be on Wikipedia somewhere.

SPEAKER_04 1:01:32

Because that's probably extended research that I did.

SPEAKER_05 1:01:35

Yeah, because you know, Wikipedia is everything.

SPEAKER_04 1:01:37

Wikipedia said it. It must be true.

SPEAKER_05 1:01:39

It's got to be true. The truth is on Wikipedia. Um, hang on, let me have a look.

SPEAKER_04 1:01:43

It is often update. It's the truth for today. That should be their tagline.

SPEAKER_05 1:01:47

Was it the one that happened in 1638?

SPEAKER_04 1:01:49

Yes.

SPEAKER_05 1:01:50

Okay, so this one is the great thunderstorm of Widecombe in the moor, which is um in the UK in England. And one earlier count reports that the great thunderstorm at the church in Widecombe in the Muir, in the Moor. Um, Widecombe in the Moor is the name, like one of those like Trenton upon Eve next to Biscuit or whatever it is. Like, you know, those long names in the rough that they've got um at a church in Widecombe and Moor in Devon, in England, on the 21st of October in 1638, four people died, and approximately sixty were injured when during a severe storm an eight-foot Wow, that's big, eight-foot, two point four meter ball of fire was described as striking and entering the church, nearly destroying it. Large stones from the church were large the large stones from the church walls were hurled onto the ground and through large wooden beams. The ball of fire allegedly smashed the pews and many windows and filled the church with a foul sulphurous odour, dark and dark, thick smoke. The ball of fire reportedly divided into two segments, one exiting through a window by smashing it open, the other disappearing somewhere inside the church. Because of the fire and the sulphur smell, contemporaries explained the ball of fire as, you know, quote unquote, the devil, or as the quote unquote, flames of hell. Later some blamed the entire incident on two people. Imagine being those two people. But it was because they'd been playing cards, they'd been fucking playing while they were in church. They were playing cards in the pew during the sermon, thereby incurring God's wrath. Because God doesn't like you to play rummy when you're in church. You must focus on it.

SPEAKER_04 1:03:26

What were they doing playing cards in church?

SPEAKER_05 1:03:28

I don't know.

SPEAKER_04 1:03:29

I think it was their fault.

SPEAKER_05 1:03:30

It was their fault. I would also, I would also blame.

SPEAKER_04 1:03:33

So obviously their fault.

SPEAKER_05 1:03:34

Definitely. Um, but yes, I mean like all the people died because of it seems all the but you know, like all the people died. All the people died. Um but it was it wasn't they weren't hit by the actual ball of fire or the ball of lightning. They were killed from all the stones and things that fell after the church got struck by this ball of lightning or all the lightning itself. Um yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:03:58

So it wasn't from them being frightened of being judged.

SPEAKER_05 1:04:01

No, because that's they by by the time the 1600s came around, people had a bit more fucking gumption and they didn't just drop dead at the sight of something.

SPEAKER_04 1:04:12

Lord and me. What was that?

SPEAKER_05 1:04:16

Die.

SPEAKER_03 1:04:16

And dead and insane.

SPEAKER_05 1:04:20

Which is crazy. And then there's also another one, um, Alistair Crowley. Alistair Crowley has also seen ball lightning and uh witnessing it, uh what he referred to as a globular. So many weird words attached. Globular. What a great word. Globular.

SPEAKER_04 1:04:35

Um he referred to a happy day this week.

SPEAKER_05 1:04:37

Yeah, we must for everything in every situation. Work the word globular, word of the week, globular.

SPEAKER_03 1:04:42

Happy Thanksgiving. Globular mashed potatoes.

SPEAKER_05 1:04:46

It's not a good way to describe your mashed potatoes.

SPEAKER_04 1:04:49

It's accurate for mine.

SPEAKER_05 1:04:51

Oh dear. Um but he he referred to it as globular electricity during a thunderstorm on Lake Pascani in New Hampshire in the United States. I don't know if I've said that right. Um, P-A-S-Q-U-A-N-E-Y, Pasquane, um. That's exactly right. That's probably right. Um, in New Hampshire in the United States, in 1916, he was sheltered in a small cottage when he, in his own words, said it starts with an ellipse in the last the last fucking word in the sentence. Dot dot dot. Dot dot dot. Noticed something dramatic. Said. Noticed what I can only describe as a with as calm amazement that a dazzling globe of electric fire, apparently between six and twelve inches, 15 to 30 centimeters in diameter, was stationary about six inches or fifteen centimeters below.

SPEAKER_04 1:05:44

Who the fuck are all these people coming out with rulers and I couldn't even decide if that was six foot or ten foot from me?

SPEAKER_05 1:05:51

This guy's drowning in a river and his canoe's rolling away, and he was like, it was five hertz. And now Alistair Crowley's busting out the measuring tape. Um, but he's

SPEAKER_04 1:06:00

It was a cantaloupe.

SPEAKER_05 1:06:01

We eventually arrived. We were like softball, bigger than a grapefruit, not quite a basketball, fucking cantaloupe.

SPEAKER_01 1:06:08

Probably a cantaloupe.

SPEAKER_05 1:06:10

But like a medium-sized description. A modestly sized cantaloupe, not a cantaloupe that's full of itself, you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_04 1:06:17

Like I hate the cantaloupes that are full of themselves.

SPEAKER_05 1:06:24

Arrogant fucking fruit. Nothing worse than an arrogant bit of fruit. Um anyway.

SPEAKER_03 1:06:33

Nothing worse.

SPEAKER_05 1:06:34

Alistair Crowley says um that it was between six to twelve inches in diameter and stationary about six inches below and to the right of his right knee. As I looked at it, it exploded with a sharp report. Quite impossible to confuse with a continuous turmoil of lightning, thunder, and hail, or that of the lashed water and smashed wood, which was creating pandemonium outside the cottage. I felt a very slight shock in the middle of my right hand, which was closer to the globe than any other part of my body. But he says the same thing that you said about that slight like electric kind of sound that like and then it was gone. Same thing. You and Alistair have something in the same way. We are back at the beginning. This is ball lightning. But again, you know, um, and they do say they do say that uh ball lightning is not to be confused with St. Elma's Fire. Do not confuse it with St. Elma's Fire. The people at Wikipedia will come and reprimand you. Um, but St. Elma's Fire is a weather phenomenon in which luminous plasma is created by a corona discharge. Not to be confused with the virus, not to be confused with the virus.

SPEAKER_03 1:07:39

We were both on the same train on that one.

SPEAKER_05 1:07:42

Again, we must just remind the listeners this episode is very unscripted, and we're pretty much just winging it as we're going along.

SPEAKER_04 1:07:50

Uh for what it's worth, this is what it always sounds like before you edit it.

SPEAKER_05 1:07:55

Before I edit. So by the time this goes on, it's gonna be just like beautifully well polished. You know, everybody sounds like they know what they're talking about.

SPEAKER_04 1:08:02

Um this is all this is all the outtake stuff we usually cut.

SPEAKER_05 1:08:07

Maybe, maybe that's what we could call this this episode. Ball lightning and outtakes.

SPEAKER_03 1:08:12

I think it's the episode that shouldn't have been.

SPEAKER_05 1:08:15

But it's gonna be, it's gonna be. It's like our Thanksgiving gift to everybody out there is us just slowly descending into madness on this episode.

SPEAKER_04 1:08:24

You can it's it's you know, and it's 1 a.m. and I talk for 10 hours before we started. There we go.

SPEAKER_05 1:08:30

So it's a good, it's a good release. It's a good release. You're you're on full.

SPEAKER_04 1:08:33

I needed this.

SPEAKER_05 1:08:35

Um and then the last the like one of the other things I've got about ball lightning was an occurrence where it happened in India. Um, and now I'm again just frantically trying to find where I'd read about that. And it, you know, of course.

SPEAKER_04 1:08:46

You probably read about it in India.

SPEAKER_05 1:08:48

Possibly. Possibly was. It was in a pamphlet outside a curry shop while I was waiting for my order. Uh I knew it. There's let me just do a quick go find, find, find all, find India. Oh god. Uh oh no, okay. Maybe I was wrong. Maybe I didn't find anything. India could have sworn. Oh, here we go. On the 30th of April in 1877, a ball of lightning entered the golden temple at Amristar in India and exited through the side door. More of them using the architectural portals. Um, several people, several people observed the ball, and the incident is inscribed on the front wall of the Darshani the Hodi. Whatever the fuck that is. Um what is the oh yes, good. It's inscribed on the wall, you say. Excellent, good, good.

SPEAKER_04 1:09:42

I'm just wondering how many hells you're gonna go to. Like how many different religions, versions of hells are you going to?

SPEAKER_05 1:09:49

It looks like uh to me, it looks like it's a temple, um, which I'm sure we could have all arrived at the end. That's why we shouldn't mock it, but go ahead. Not mocking, not mocking, just you know. Um it's the it's a it's a golden, you know, golden temple in India. It's gold, it's a temple, and there's probably some statues and shit. So if you ever need with roughs. With roughs, yes, and engravings of ball lightning out the front.

SPEAKER_04 1:10:12

Um glad I learned a new word tonight.

SPEAKER_05 1:10:14

Yes, rough. You're rough. Rough. Uh awesome. Okay. Anything else on your side that you'd like to say about orbs or what? Wait, that was it? I don't what was what was it? That the uh about the India thing. Yeah, that's it.

SPEAKER_03 1:10:26

They just went in, went out.

SPEAKER_05 1:10:27

When it went out, didn't touch anybody, didn't hurt anybody, boring.

SPEAKER_04 1:10:30

I was waiting for people to pass out or die and you don't want them about it. So and then they died. Everybody was like the end of everything.

SPEAKER_05 1:10:36

Probably meditating at the time or something. Everybody was too too busy. They were doing that.

SPEAKER_04 1:10:41

Yeah, on my end, do you want me to go through the 10 things that are eight or whatever I found that the reasons that there is balls of lightning?

SPEAKER_05 1:10:48

Yes, please do. Please do.

SPEAKER_04 1:10:50

Okay. So um they okay, so in 1970, ball lightning researcher Stanley Singer suggested there were three essential features any successful model explaining the phenomenon phenomenon had to account for. So it had to be the duration of ball lightning, its floating motion, and its sudden disappearance. The problem is that all these theories, none of them can meet all of the criteria. But some scientists believe it's standing waves of electromagnetic radiation to plasma clouds. Um, some people say it's short-circuiting power lines. Again, that would only happen if you're right by a power line. Uh St. Elmo's fire, which you referenced. My personal favorite, many black holes created during the Big Bang.

SPEAKER_05 1:11:38

And they're just like what? How could like a mini black hole suddenly appear in your bedroom? You know what I mean? Like that that kind of- I'm just glad it didn't take me down. But that kind of implies that they're, you know, like if it's then they're kind of just floating around the planet at all times. There's a mini black hole happening somewhere right now. Like right now there's a this podcast. This episode. Mini black holes. Getting bigger as time passes.

SPEAKER_04 1:12:07

Um it's like a sucking, not a gravity, but a sucking energy. Um some scientists, some scientists even think it could be an alien presence, believe it or not. Um, the University of Canterbury engineer John Abraham uh Abrahamson uh suggested it it could be glowing air, could be the result of vaporized ground material being pushed up by a shockwave of air. Uh clouds of charging or repulsing ions collecting on an insulator, such as a glass sheet. So I guess that's when it comes through the window, right? And then um, and then that's the one with the lifespan when it's drifting and bouncing, that it becomes a a lightning embryo.

SPEAKER_05 1:12:52

I love the sound of that.

SPEAKER_04 1:12:54

I just I just love the idea of lightning embryos. Um but the most popular current theory proposed uh by John Abra Abrahamson again uh from New Zealand suggests that while lightning is a result of a chemical reaction of silicon part particles burning in the air. And when lightning strikes the ground, silicon and and we talked about this before, it combines with oxygen and carbon and then turns into pure silicon vapor. And then the other uh suggestions by science, not shadow people, not sleep paralysis, but urban mythology urban mythology, drugs, of course, drugs and mental disorders. Those always have to make the list, I think.

SPEAKER_05 1:13:38

I think the mental disorders is going to be the an explanation that no matter what we talk about in the paranormal contact context, you can just be like, maybe they had a mental disorder.

SPEAKER_04 1:13:49

And we just say maybe it was aliens. Maybe it was aliens, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 1:13:52

But you know, it's like even even with all these fancy big words like ions and plasma clouds and you know, things that the scientists say, that you can't explain how they they they seem to move with conscious intention, like and that's they can't meet and they can't reproduce it, they can reproduce something similar, but not the exact same thing.

SPEAKER_04 1:14:11

And so that's why they can't. And and interestingly, National Geographic said, and this is a big span, so it's an interesting statistic that it is estimated that between one and thirty and one in one hundred and fifty people around the world believe they have seen balls of lightning. Wow, but to go from thirty to one hundred and fifty, I was like, that's a pretty big range.

SPEAKER_05 1:14:32

So one in thirty to a hundred and fifty people in the world.

SPEAKER_04 1:14:37

No, what one in thirty. Okay, let me do it again. It's estimated that between one and thirty and one in one hundred and fifty.

SPEAKER_05 1:14:44

Okay. So but thirty and one hundred and still an awful lot of people. That's a lot of people.

SPEAKER_04 1:14:50

That's what I thought it was a very high, but you know, National Geographic is pretty reputable, right?

SPEAKER_05 1:14:54

Yeah, but that's that's a that's an awful lot of people because there's I mean, there's a lot, there's what, like seven bajillion people on the planet or something?

SPEAKER_04 1:15:01

How many people of us here, and I saw we haven't seen uh you yeah.

SPEAKER_05 1:15:05

So that's 50% 50% of the people on this podcast have seen have seen ball lightning twice.

SPEAKER_04 1:15:15

I need to get a hold of National Geographic and tell them.

SPEAKER_05 1:15:17

Yeah, how many people update your statistics? How many people? I'm Googing, how many people are on it?

SPEAKER_04 1:15:26

It does seem like a very because the 7.594 Because I personally know no one that's seen it, and I know many people who have looked at me like I'm a nut job.

SPEAKER_05 1:15:35

So or or or they they they've seen it, but they don't want to talk about it because maybe I'm just more open. Uh I suppose if you said to them, like, hey, I've said, how do you bring that up in conversation, by the way? Like I don't.

SPEAKER_03 1:15:47

Okay. I put it on my Tinder profile.

SPEAKER_05 1:15:49

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:15:51

Yeah, they saw a ball lightning once. Could have been an orb. We don't know now.

SPEAKER_05 1:15:54

Could have been an orb. Lots of doubt.

SPEAKER_03 1:15:56

It's a it's a bigger mystery now that we did the podcast. We have we have something happened to me. That's all I'm saying.

SPEAKER_05 1:16:03

We've basically just made more questions. Um but there's so there's 7.594 billion people on the planet as of 2018, according to the Googs. And now I see the tab where it's yeah, okay, so for 2020 they've estimated around uh 7.8 billion people. I don't know how to do the math for this.

SPEAKER_03 1:16:21

I was I was so excited to see. You're like, where are you going with that? But if you have painted yourself into a room because there's no way you're gonna be able to do the math now.

SPEAKER_05 1:16:29

But so, so wait, hang on, I can. Um so of the seven, I'm gonna get laughed at by everybody who listens to this podcast when they listen to me try and do this now. 7.8. How many zeros? How many zeros does okay? I'll just use the word billion divided by divided, that's my dog if anyone's watching.

SPEAKER_03 1:16:47

And you're good to go.

SPEAKER_05 1:16:48

Okay, good, yeah. Divided by 150. Please give me the answer, Google. Uh, is 52 million? So 7.8 billion divided by 150. They're saying one in one every 150 people has seen it, gives you 52 million. So that sounds kind of math ish, right, to me.

SPEAKER_04 1:17:07

It sounds math ish, but now I feel like we're discrediting National Geographic because we don't buy that.

SPEAKER_05 1:17:12

Well, maybe 52. No, I'm just saying that maybe 52 million people on the planet have all seen ball lightning. And that makes it a very or or another one.

SPEAKER_04 1:17:20

We would like anyone who has ever seen ball lightning to listen to this podcast and weigh in.

SPEAKER_05 1:17:25

All we need, all we need to get a good statistic is 52 million and one people to listen to this episode. Um if out of all of them, one of them should say, I have not seen ball lightning, and we'll, you know, because now we have a statistic that we can give back to National Geographic and say you need to update your crap. So to our one listener out there, if you could please find 52 million friends and get them to listen to the podcast. Um it's gonna be a lot of Instagram posts. Um Facebook is definitely.

SPEAKER_03 1:18:01

Renee, if you're listening, this is your job now.

SPEAKER_05 1:18:05

Facebook is we should totally get Renee as our intern. I wonder if she'd be down for that.

SPEAKER_03 1:18:09

Exactly.

SPEAKER_05 1:18:09

Actually, Renee, so one of our listeners, Renee here in China, she's just recently started her own like uh small catering company from home, and she makes her and her husband. Um, because you know, like in China at the moment, it's you know, everything's shit. Oh, that's something like I I've told you, but I haven't told everybody else who's not listening. So we had a case of coronavirus in the district that I live in in Tianjin in China, and there please bear in mind there are 2.6 million people in the district that I live in, which is crazy. Um, but it's still you know, the the the the total of the number of people that in the city that I live in is around 20 million people, which is crazy. It's like half the half the population of the country that I come from. Um, but so 2.6 million people in the district that live in, we had a coronavirus case, one guy, and of course, of course, that one dude on the day that they found out that he had coronavirus had had the busiest day of his fucking life and he'd gone to just every location in the district, like he'd been to like eight different shopping malls, 20 different markets, like he'd just been fucking everywhere, man. Because they track they track all of these things with this like QR scanning code. Um, so from Thursday up until uh it's still kind of on like a semi-lockdown thing, like services are not functioning as complete normal, but it's a little bit normal. Um, but we basically that the Chinese government or the local district uh government they tested 2.6 million people in three days. That is fucking impressive. That's insane, and all for free, like we didn't have to pay anything. The Chinese government pays for everything. Um, but they tested 2.6 million people in three days, and not a single other positive case was found. Everybody else is so 2.6 negative cases, yeah. But like we I was I I was like a little bit on edge for a couple of days, even though I know that I cannot have coronavirus because I haven't had human contact since like the last eight months. I have just not gone outside.

SPEAKER_04 1:19:59

Um that also explains so much about this episode.

SPEAKER_05 1:20:03

We are peeking here. This is what isolation madness does to you. This is what happens if you're in solitary confinement for like 11 months. You start a podcast. Um this is what they should do to criminals in solitary confinement. Give them a fucking microphone. Let them.

SPEAKER_03 1:20:18

Yeah, that's what we need. We need the criminals talking. Yeah, that's genius.

SPEAKER_05 1:20:21

Anyway, um, but uh so like I I haven't had any contact. I had zero doubt in my mind that I would have coronavirus, but there's always that like 0.0009% chance that you're like, oh shit, what if? Like what's what if somebody coughed and floated in through my window or whatever the fuck it might be. Um which is you know ball lightning. Ball lightning brought the virus. Of course it couldn't happen, but so I had I was you know minor, low-key, very low-key, okay, maybe what if type of thing. Um, but then we went, I went and did the test on Saturday, and after two days, they hadn't sent any results out. And we've got this like uh this like social media group for the building that I live in, and all the people who live in this building, all the Chinese people and foreigners, we're all in the same group where they coordinated the testing for our building. And somebody put in there, like, I'm really stressed out, when are they gonna give the results? And one person just had the best answer that shut all of us up. They were like, if you had tested positive, they would have fetched you by now. And I was like, Oh shit, good point. I was like, You wouldn't you wouldn't be asking three days later about it, you'd be in a government facility right now. And after that, distracted exactly after that, the the the entire conversation just went silent, and it's now been like what four, four, five days since I've done the test. And the people in the white suits have not come to fetch me yet. So that's good, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:21:41

Even the people in the white suits won't come to your door.

SPEAKER_02 1:21:45

Just leave him there. Leave him where he is.

SPEAKER_03 1:21:49

But I mean not the aliens, not not the cults, not the people in the white suits.

SPEAKER_05 1:21:55

Not the coronavirus emergency response team, like just no one. But I'm just like, it's so impressive that they they tested 2.6 million people in three days. Fucking amazing. Fucking amazing. If anybody can do it, China can. They built a hospital in seven days. Um, okay, so back to topic. I've got another story here that I found on uh What were we talking about? Balls or something. I don't know. Dead priests, dead priests and balls or something. Yeah. Um but uh there's another one here that's uh from uh liveabout.com. I don't know, um you usually have a look at liveabout.com, don't you? They have lots of sciencey stuff. Did you look at this one about ball lightning, perchance?

SPEAKER_04 1:22:40

I don't know. I looked at several trying to impress you, but it didn't work this time.

SPEAKER_05 1:22:45

You impressed me anyway. Um so this one says this one is an incident that occurred occurred in Bavaria in 1921. A nine-year-old girl and her uncle were on the first floor of a building during a severe thunderstorm. Ball lightning appeared on the left side of the windowsill. The ball then fell to the floor where it jumped up and down once or twice. Then it started to roll slowly towards the observers across the wooden floor, leaving no marks. It was translucent, and the rapidly changing colours showed spots of light green, crimson, light blue, and pale yellow. It then rolled towards the tile stove, crept up the iron parts, leaving a deep groove about the width and depth of a thumb, and then it exploded in the air vent. And that's the the reason I like that story is because it rolled across wood, and wood it does not conduct electricity. So it's it's not like the wooden floor could keep it, you know, keep its charge going. I understand like when it hit the iron, iron conducts electricity, I think. Um so I can understand it maybe being attracted to that. But the fact that it rolled across a wooden floor, that's weird. So nothing was keeping it alive. It was alive or charged by its own and its own consciousness, if you will. Yes. And it didn't, and why would it not leave why would it not leave a mark on wood, but it would leave a mark in something as hard as iron. That's what I thought was weird. Weird shit, man. Weird shit.

SPEAKER_04 1:24:07

So you do feel like there's some supernatural to this, then I just want to clarify.

SPEAKER_05 1:24:12

I've I am convinced, yeah. I've my opinion has been changed. Maybe that's what we should change the concept of our of our podcast to. Just like change my mind, you know. Um but yeah, I do. Like, I think that I I don't think, and again, I apologize for having separated these things in my mind into ball lightning and orbs as their own thing. I think there is some sort of a connection there, whether it is that people have seen ball lightning and interpreted them as orbs, or the vice versa. Or one of them is mimicking the other one.

SPEAKER_03 1:24:44

Now that's interesting.

SPEAKER_05 1:24:46

So are orbs mimicking ball lightning? Is ball lightning mimicking an orb? When you say mimicking too many times, it starts to sound wrong to yourself.

SPEAKER_04 1:24:55

Or did the orbs come up with this master plan to create this weather phenomenon to do the great cover-up for their own?

SPEAKER_05 1:25:04

The idea that it's a weather phenomenon, like when you think of something like weather, you think like, okay, let's think thunder and lightning for weather. That's this like magnificent, you know, like display of Mother Nature's force, lightning crashing down and things like that. But to be such a like a contained, like nothing, not no other weather phenomenon I can think of is a contained, independent, you know what I mean? Like just floating mid-air, like it's well, and it wasn't raining or stormy.

SPEAKER_04 1:25:30

It had been earlier in Fernand. When I went to sleep, I remember it was stormy, but it wasn't storming or raining when that happened at my place either. It was totally separate.

SPEAKER_05 1:25:39

It just like that, it doesn't seem like it seems to almost in a way defy my very basic law and understanding of physics because it's it is suspended in air, it is either motionless and then beginning to move, or it's following a very specific path when it's moving, using arc. Or staring at you, or staring at you, judging you. Um But it's it just seems to like it seems to in a way defy like natural order or natural like physics. Um anything anything heavier than air is gonna fall to the floor because of gravity. So like a charged, you know, like a charged particle or something like that is gonna become, is it gonna become, I don't know. But like a charged particle or something like that, it's gonna have more density and weight as matter than just the air molecules. It should go, gravity should apply. It should apply, right? Um you know, and if you think it's something like even just like normal lightning, it's it's reaching its grounding point. That's you know, it'll strike number one, strike the highest object. Um, but that object also has to have an like be able to attract an electric charge. Um, you know, it's there's so many things that just defy explanation when it comes to the physics. And I know fuck all about physics, but this one doesn't seem to make too much sense. Yeah, it physically, physicsly? How do you say that?

SPEAKER_04 1:26:55

It feels almost paranormal.

SPEAKER_05 1:26:57

It feels almost paranormal. It does, it does.

SPEAKER_04 1:27:00

A little weird. A little weird.

SPEAKER_05 1:27:01

A little bit weird. Okay, so we're we're an hour and thirty minutes into shooting the breeze. I think maybe we should do some shout-outs and wrap this shit up. Otherwise, we're just gonna keep going. Um and who knows what this episode's gonna end up being like. Um, so do you have any shout-outs?

SPEAKER_04 1:27:15

I'm so excited to hear it.

SPEAKER_05 1:27:18

Do you have any shout outs?

SPEAKER_04 1:27:19

You know, for what it's worth, it was fun doing it.

SPEAKER_05 1:27:22

It was fun doing it. Maybe you know, we should put that out to our listeners, though. So the people who hear this podcast and have having had listened to our previous episodes as well, and our very first episode, which this one feels a lot like, um, like, did you enjoy this kind of shoot the breeze chatty format?

SPEAKER_04 1:27:38

Um Do you enjoy the Altics version? Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 1:27:42

Yeah, but honestly, that's true, right? So this is an hour, we're we're going on to an hour and a half now. If I were to edit this, we would probably be down to, well, all things considered, we'd probably be down to about 15 minutes of usable content.

SPEAKER_03 1:27:55

If we actually want substance, we're down to nine minutes.

SPEAKER_05 1:27:58

Nine minutes and two substance. Um but uh yeah so if you if you enjoyed this episode, let us know because then we're going to keep producing episodes in this format where we don't research a damn thing. We just uh we just come and talk it up as we go. We just chat. Um okay, so have you have you got any so so tell us tell us what episode format you like? Do you like more formal? Do you like this? Do you want us to keep doing a bit of both? Maybe we could do like one of these every three weeks or so. Um every fourth episode is just us talking shit. Or maybe every fourth episode is us actually being serious about podcasting.

SPEAKER_04 1:28:34

Um I'm just excited to hear you do math ever.

SPEAKER_05 1:28:37

7.8. Um I thought I did quite well.

SPEAKER_03 1:28:41

Um every full moon we will do this episode.

SPEAKER_05 1:28:45

We will do this. Is it a full moon now? I think we missed the full moon. That was that was Halloween. Every Thanksgiving.

SPEAKER_04 1:28:50

Oh, yeah, it's the 30th. It's the 30th, I think. I think I looked it up recently because the students were being wild and I thought it must be the full moon, but it was just teenagers.

SPEAKER_05 1:28:58

I know, I know that Halloween was a full moon because it's very rare that like full moons happen on Halloween once every uh quadrillion years or something.

SPEAKER_04 1:29:06

November 30th. Really? I called it. Nice, great. Well, I I had looked it up before I didn't intuitively know it, but you know. Close enough. Uh November 30th at 4 30 a.m. Eastern Standard Time. That does not apply to you. It doesn't matter. It does not apply to you.

SPEAKER_05 1:29:22

4 30 p.m. No, but there'll also be a full moon in China in that time, just at a different time.

SPEAKER_04 1:29:26

Yeah, at the time, I'm aware. I just wanted you to know Eastern time didn't apply to you.

SPEAKER_05 1:29:33

Noted. Thank you. Okay. Um, who are you giving shout-outs to? Who are you giving shout-outs to this week?

SPEAKER_04 1:29:38

My shout-out is to you, Xander.

SPEAKER_05 1:29:40

Why?

SPEAKER_04 1:29:41

We didn't even say who each other are. Oh, that's Stone, by the way. We didn't even know that we were recording. Just to be clear, we didn't even know we were recording. That's Xander.

SPEAKER_05 1:29:53

And that's Stone. And together we are Xander and Stone podcast.

SPEAKER_04 1:29:59

And if it's out there And it's weird, we're gonna talk about it.

SPEAKER_05 1:30:04

We are at length.

SPEAKER_04 1:30:05

It's good we got our intro out of the way.

SPEAKER_05 1:30:07

We got the intro out of the way at the end. That's that's useful.

SPEAKER_04 1:30:10

No, yeah, I don't I my only shout out is to you. Okay.

SPEAKER_05 1:30:13

Well, I I don't know if it's let me just check the date quickly. Okay, no, it's too early for that now. It's too early for that now. But somebody's got a birthday coming. And it's not me. It's not me. Mine's gone now.

SPEAKER_04 1:30:25

Was it wonderful? Was it everything you hoped it would be?

SPEAKER_05 1:30:27

It was everything I hoped it would be, considering the fact that I am not leaving my apartment and I'm like self-quarantined at the moment. Um, but in respect to that corona discharge.

SPEAKER_04 1:30:38

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 1:30:39

With respect to that, it was absolutely everything I expected it to be. Yes. Um, so my my shout-outs are going to go to, and I might have to apologize to them for doing shout-outs to them on this particular episode.

SPEAKER_03 1:30:53

We're just sorry to everyone. We're just in general.

SPEAKER_05 1:30:56

Just in general, as like a general apology. Um, my my uh shout-out is going to go to Cameron from California, who I was chatting with on Instagram this morning, and he really enjoys listening to our show. So thank you, Cameron. And then the other one is to John. And John is the brother of Mel. And Mel does this is getting already getting way down the garden path. Um, but uh Mel does the sideshow, the sideshow with Mel and Shauna podcast, and she also has a podcast with her brother. His name is John, and their podcast is called I'm gonna fuck this up. It's called Tang. I in my mind, in my mind, the name that I remember this podcast to be is the tangenital downpour, which is obviously something who knows so like when you're on a tangent, it's tangential, so it's called the tangential downpour. Um but in my mind, I'm like, no, it's called tangenital downpour.

SPEAKER_04 1:31:49

Um so my An excerpt from less miserables.

SPEAKER_05 1:31:54

From Les Miserables, yeah. But my my shout-out then is to John. John also enjoys our show as well. And we'll we'll squeeze in a little shout out to Sean as well, because I know that Shauna listens too. So those are my shout-outs. Do we have any do we have any housekeeping? Yeah, make better podcasts. Um do your fucking reason. Very, very Oh, there was there was one thing. Okay, so there's two things. There was one thing, nope, there's two. Um so the first one is oh god, I can't believe I'm gonna say this. We're trying to get onto that podcast magazine top 50.

SPEAKER_03 1:32:26

I just think we could probably blow past that one this episode.

SPEAKER_05 1:32:30

Talk about that on the next episode, next time.

SPEAKER_03 1:32:32

Um turn in next time for when we take this.

SPEAKER_05 1:32:36

Serious podcast. No, we're trying to get onto the podcast magazine's top 50, um, and it's done by listeners voting. So if you look in the show notes below, there'll be a link that says podcast magazine top 50. Click that link and it'll take you to the voting page. You just put in the name Xander and Stone and hosts Xander and Stone, and then you would have voted for us. So just fucking vote for us anyway because you've got nothing better to do with your time. You've already made it an hour and a half into this episode, so clearly you've got nothing better to do.

SPEAKER_03 1:33:03

If you're still listening, that's the least you can do, really.

SPEAKER_05 1:33:05

Come on. Um, and then the last thing for us. I had this, I had this listed as like a conversation that you and I should just have as part of like a little mini production meeting before or after. But now that we're here, go for it now. You're fired.

SPEAKER_01 1:33:18

Um half the logo. You assured me that was that was my safety net.

SPEAKER_05 1:33:25

No, the what I want we we've spoken about this before. We never really we we never really settled on anything. So, like um the my favorite murder podcast, they've got their murderinos, which are all their fans, and they're called Murderinos. And the strange session has their strangers. And we need a name for our people. We do.

SPEAKER_04 1:33:47

The Zan Bonies.

SPEAKER_05 1:33:48

That is exactly you know, that that is I was I was on the same wavelength as you. I was like the zoners, X-O-N-E-R-S, because that's Xander and Stone. Right zoners, but spelt with an X because Xander is spelt with an X.

SPEAKER_04 1:34:04

And on my own podcast, we'll have stoners. There we go.

SPEAKER_05 1:34:06

Stoners and Stoners. Um, okay, so I'm gonna write zone. I just made a note and put a square around it, and you know that's important. This is this is the sound of my squares around notes. Um that is. But I want to um maybe maybe the listeners have an idea on a little quirky name that we can call. We we had a few uh like we were gonna call them the stoners.

SPEAKER_04 1:34:28

Um which but then we were worried about the people that don't smoke pot.

SPEAKER_05 1:34:32

Yeah, and like you know those two people that haven't seen ball lightning or orbs or had any paranormal experiences. Um typical. So the st the the stoners, but we thought, yeah, the maybe the connotations not everybody would be keen for that. Nobody's gonna proudly be like, I'm a stoner. Or if we make like merchandise stickers, that's like I'm a stoner, no one's gonna be putting it on their car.

SPEAKER_04 1:34:56

Um they they they would in Arizona, it's legal here now.

SPEAKER_05 1:35:00

Yay, it's been it's been decriminalized in Cape Town for many, many, many years. Um they decriminalized a long time ago. So you're allowed to have it at your home for personal use. You're obviously not allowed to try like what else would you use it for? Exactly. Professional use. Come on, people, get it together. Um but you're not allowed to like carry it around or smoke it in public or anything like that. Um, I I got it. I was teasing. Um so we had the stoners.

SPEAKER_03 1:35:26

Thank you for man splaining.

SPEAKER_05 1:35:28

I mansplained it, I mansplained it, mansplaining. Um and then, yeah, so we were we toyed around with stoners, but we kind of didn't really come up with too many other good ones. Um but I like zoners, the zoners.

SPEAKER_03 1:35:42

I like soners.

SPEAKER_05 1:35:43

Fuck it, you're all called the zoners. That's what you're called now. Okay.

SPEAKER_04 1:35:46

Just kidding. You don't get a vote. The only thing you're voting for is us for the top 50, but not for this. All right, zoners. You better read it count.

SPEAKER_05 1:35:57

It's done.

SPEAKER_04 1:35:58

Now we're just threatening them.

SPEAKER_05 1:36:02

You are called the zoners, and you'll you'll fucking appreciate it. Um all right, so to all of the zoners out there, uh, don't forget to like and subscribe to our podcast. If you want to leave a review on any of the plot the plot cast, uh this episode is just going to shit. Um if you want to leave a review on any of the podcast apps, um please go ahead and do that. It's we accept five stars, and you can write a positive.

SPEAKER_04 1:36:31

Any of your negative stuff, send us to us. Just send it directly to us.

SPEAKER_05 1:36:35

Yeah, Apple doesn't want to be bothered with that. Somebody hears about it. Apple, they don't want to be bothered by that. Yeah, you've got to take the right channels. If you have negative feedback or anything lower than a four-star review, we'll take four. Um anything lower than a four-star, what you want to do is direct that information directly to us at uh shutyourfucking face at gmail.com.

SPEAKER_04 1:36:54

Um And now you've cursed at them. We're on a whole new low this episode.

SPEAKER_05 1:37:02

Uh but please do like and subscribe. And you can find us on any of the podcast apps. We're on Apple Podcasts, iTunes, Spotify, Stitcher, Google Podcasts, and anywhere you listen to your podcasts. And of course, we hope that you'll come back and listen to us again.

SPEAKER_04 1:37:16

Um try out some of our other episodes if this isn't your comments.

SPEAKER_05 1:37:23

If you didn't like this one, go back to the more serious episodes.

SPEAKER_04 1:37:30

I don't know.

SPEAKER_05 1:37:31

There was some good stuff there. There was some good stuff in that one. Um, but we like the episodes moving forward as well. We're going to be doing a whole bunch of UFO content, um, which I am very, very excited about.

SPEAKER_03 1:37:41

I'm thrilled now. Um this has reinvigorated me. Thank you. Good, good.

SPEAKER_05 1:37:47

Um, so from me, Xander.

SPEAKER_03 1:37:51

And me, Stone.

SPEAKER_05 1:37:52

If it's out there. And it's weird. We're gonna talk about it. We're gonna talk about it. We couldn't even sync that up at the end. Oh god. We hope you enjoyed today's episode. If you want to reach out to us and tell us your story, you can go and leave us a voice note on the Xanderstone website by following the link in the show notes below. Or you can email us on info at excesspodcast.com, find us on Instagram at Excess Podcast, and on Twitter at Xanderstone ten. Much more fun.

SPEAKER_04 1:38:57

I mean, it's offensive, but it's funny. Offensive is fine.

SPEAKER_05 1:39:00

Offensive is fine.

SPEAKER_04 1:39:02

It's fine. My dad's not listening, so it's okay.