USO's, UFO's, UAP's...and do Aliens have assholes?

Season 02 of Xander & Stone - The Science & Supernatural Podcast - officially kicks off in 2021 with a discussion around USO's, UAP's, UFO's and whether Aliens have assholes?

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SPEAKER_03 0:22

Just for Cinnabon, you should come to America. I'm not kidding.

SPEAKER_01 0:25

I've had Cinnabons before, but I've not been to the Cinnabons.

SPEAKER_03 0:28

You haven't had Cinnabons. I mean, Cinnabon. You know what I'm saying. You know what I'm saying? It's only Cinnabon. But I I would know that I mean they make me like any kind of, but they make me mad, like itchy. I like have to take an opening. They sound wonderful.

SPEAKER_01 0:43

You're really cinnamon.

SPEAKER_03 0:44

Every once in a while, I'm like worth it.

SPEAKER_01 0:47

One of the weirdest sales pitches I've ever heard from you. You should totally try Cinnabon. They make me mad, itchy. I get hives, but you should totally come and try them. Okay, okay, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 0:56

They just take one taste and you'll be like, yeah, I get it. I get it.

SPEAKER_01 0:59

Okay, so I'm coming to I'm coming to America specifically to have cinnamons because I want hives and I want to be itchy. This is the thing.

SPEAKER_03 1:07

Well, you're not allergic to cinnamon that I know of. Not that we know of.

SPEAKER_01 1:10

I'm allergic to something because over the like the the past like holiday season, I have had allergies like three times, and I am yet to figure out exactly what's triggering it. It could be a world of things. But usually things that trigger my allergies are things like grass seed or like um horse hair. I am shockingly, shockingly allergic to horse hair, which is really fucking sad because I grew up a lot around a lot of fucking horses. So that was a good childhood. Of course, it's a good thing. Um I love horses, I think they're amazing. I cannot ride them because even if I'm wearing like thick denim and I sit on the horse, I will break out in hives on the inside of my thighs from the horse hair. It sucks. But it's also one of the only animals that I'm allergic to. Like I'm not allergic to cat dander, I'm not allergic to dog hair, I'm not allergic to just very specifically horses, which sucks ass.

SPEAKER_03 1:56

Which I'm pretty sure they're aliens.

SPEAKER_01 1:57

So I'm yeah, 90, 90% sure because I break out in hives, and you know, the hashtag that must be from the aliens.

SPEAKER_03 2:04

Well, and I'm allergic to shellfish. Also, I think they're aliens. Yeah. So there you go.

SPEAKER_01 2:10

That's a that's a hard.

SPEAKER_03 2:11

I can't get the vaccine for COVID because of the shellfish allergy. Do you know that?

SPEAKER_01 2:15

In fact, I do know that because um they're doing the vaccines now here in China, and they said anybody who gets um who has strong allergic reactions things probably should not get it. And with my with my allergic rhinitis swelly facey thing, I probably can't get it. Plus, I also have a very bad allergy to penicillin. It will kill me. Well, we think it might. We don't know. We haven't we haven't tried. Um we haven't tested the theory.

SPEAKER_03 2:38

Well, I have adverse the doctor said I'm not allergic, I just have adverse reactions, which means I throw up like nobody's business, like if I have it. So when they ask the allergies on the doctor's form, I have to put uh severe adverse reaction, which to me is pretty much an allergy. So I don't get the difference.

SPEAKER_01 2:56

But I like they discovered my allergy.

SPEAKER_03 2:58

Why do you think that you're go ahead?

SPEAKER_01 2:59

When I was a kid, um I I don't know why I I was very, very young, and I don't know why I was on penicillin at the time, but um I was given penicillin for something. I think it might have been because of chicken pox or something along those lines. Um and it actually like they they determined from it, like my throat started closing, I wasn't be I wasn't I wasn't able to breathe properly. Yeah, that's a reaction. Yeah, but I mean we're talking like when I was about like five, four, five, six years old. So I don't really remember this, but I just I've always known that I'm allergic to it. And I I have this memory of, but it might just be an implanted memory, like something because I've always known I'm allergic to penicillin. That it I came out in like a rash that was very similar to chicken pox or something like that. Um so I'm actually supposed to wear one of those medical alert bracelets that says I have an allergy to penicillin, which I do not. Um but I should because they're not sexy, they are really not sexy, like if anything, I'd get it tattooed on me, but I don't know if they'd find it like amongst the tattoos.

SPEAKER_03 3:53

Really? Um but it's where's Waldo at the hospital.

SPEAKER_01 3:58

Maybe it does, maybe it doesn't matter. Um but it's one of those things that apparently you can grow out of your allergy to penicillin. Um and I don't know, I've I've always had it in my head that my allergy is so severe that if I have penicillin, I will die. But I don't know this to be a fact, but it's also not one you want to go and test the theory on.

SPEAKER_03 4:16

Same with shellfish, it's supposed to be a more severe each time, and I'm like, yeah, I don't want to be able to do that.

SPEAKER_01 4:20

I don't want to try that. I don't want to try that. But I have been told as well that people who have an allergy to penicillin are also more um like lightweight drinkers, like their alcohol affects them more than like they get like me, I get drunk very quickly. Um I've doubted. And it was it was some somebody actually mentioned it to me on social media. Um they I I'd put something on social media about like how I'm such a lightweight lightweight and I get so drunk so quickly. And they asked me, like, do you have a penicillin allergy? And I was like, that's weird that you should be able to specifically point that out. And she's like, Yeah. There have been studies that show that there's a link between um not being able to process alcohol properly and having an allergy to penicillin. So yeah, but I don't know if that was true. She might have just been talking rubbish. Who knows? She nailed it though. She nailed it. I mean, that's a pretty fucking random thing to pull out the hat. Anyway, so you're Stone and you're Xander. I am, and here we are, we're back here with season two, and we've uh already done our season one, and I can already feel that this introduction is starting to get away from me.

SPEAKER_03 5:22

Um I was just impressed that you were doing the numerical order. This must be seasonal. This must be season two.

SPEAKER_01 5:29

Logic dictates that this has to be season two because we've already done season one. We have already done season one. We could jump to season three, but it would confuse people.

SPEAKER_03 5:38

Um well, at least we already got your math issues out of the way. We do.

SPEAKER_01 5:42

I use both of my fingers to figure out where we are and what we're doing. Uh and episode one of season two. Episode one of season two. I'm already starting to run out of fingers. Um But here we are, we're in a new year. It's 2021. Do you have any New Year's resolutions? Did you make any like resolutionly things for 2021? Don't get covet.

SPEAKER_03 6:06

That should be at the top of everybody's that that is one stay, stay healthy, happy. Um but uh my I I choose a word every year, and so my word this year is sensational. Because I'm gonna be living my best life.

SPEAKER_01 6:20

That's awesome. That's all that's sort of all in case.

SPEAKER_03 6:22

I did my vision board and all of that. And uh, but as far as like specific, I think specific resolutions, I've I've read enough statistics to know that they that it's probably quite pointless. I used to do that, it used to be very specific, and by the end of January they're gone. So I I go more the whole year vision-y board kind of thing.

SPEAKER_01 6:42

I love the word, I love the word sensational. It's such a sexy word as well. Like it's it is sensational, it is a sensuous word, right? Like it is very sensational. I totally agree with you. I totally agree with you about the resolutions thing. I actually posted on social media, uh, one of the social medias, the various social medias that I'm on. And I posted I posted something on there about like um, you know, like every we all we all had these great intentions, and for some reason, you know, okay, many a side side tangent about to come up. But we celebrate the first of January because it's like essentially this whole like new year, and that is, I mean, basically that means that we've done a revolution around the sun and 365 days apart. I mean, really, you should be able to throw a dart at a calendar and hit a day that you if you're past one year old, you've now done yet another revolution around the sun. So really you could make resolutions every day.

SPEAKER_03 7:33

Um, so it's like Well, and this year's was was difficult because you you should never have a New Year's that lands on a weekend because nobody's gonna start their real new year's on a weekend.

SPEAKER_01 7:43

They're all waiting for Monday, right? Like resolution.

SPEAKER_03 7:45

No, everybody's waiting. So so so that and and then I think too, my birthday. I usually set a ton of goals on my birthday because to me that's my new year.

SPEAKER_05 7:55

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 7:56

And then you have Chinese New Year, which is totally different than so again, to validate your point. Yeah, it depends on where you're at, depends on how significant your birthday is.

SPEAKER_01 8:06

What culture you're from. There's so many different like any, but anyway, so the I agree with you about the thing about not setting resolutions because, like you said, like within a week, within a month, there you've forgotten about them. And they're always these like very big grand things, right? It's always like, I'm going to change my whole fucking life. This year is the year I'm gonna change my life. And so I posted something about it on social media the other day, and I said something about along the lines of just set a a New Year's resolution that if you don't achieve it, your entire life isn't shit and you haven't achieved something. But if you do achieve it, your whole life hasn't changed as well. So my resolution for 2021 is I'm gonna learn how to bake the perfect apple pie. I'm going to perfect apple pie in 2021. I'm gonna do lattice tops, I'm gonna do perfect pastry. And the reason I want to do this one is because if I do manage to do it, I get to eat crap tons of perfect apple pie. And if I don't do it, so fucking what?

SPEAKER_03 8:58

No one cares that I haven't baked kind of still good apple pie, and you gotta test it all here anyway. Test your own.

SPEAKER_01 9:05

So that's my big resolution. Um, but very similar to what you do is I've kind of got this like running theme of goals in my life and things that I want to achieve. And most of them just cross over without you know any time barrier. It doesn't matter where in my life I am at the time, as long as I'm working on it. Um so I agree with you.

SPEAKER_03 9:21

I I like doing the 12-week goals, like little chunk goals, like in 12 weeks I want to be here. Okay, like send setting milestones, I guess, more than anything.

SPEAKER_01 9:31

And that kind of forces you to make them a lot more achievable and like manageable and digestible as well.

SPEAKER_03 9:37

It's not so overwhelming.

SPEAKER_01 9:39

One of my favorite one of my favorite theories uh or philosophies, if you want to call it that, is from the Japanese culture, and it's the way that the Japanese managed to rebuild their country after that whole awkward um Hiroshima nuclear bomb thing. Um and the guilty with where this is going, but go ahead. Um but the the philosophy is called Kaizen, it's spelled K-A-I-Z-E-N. And what it means, like it's a single word that represents the concept, and the concept is how can I take a step so small that it is impossible for me to fail? And that is and that is how they rebuilt their entire country. It's just one tiny minuscule little step at a time. And I found that when I do apply that type of a philosophy or that type of an approach to achieving a goal, that it it really becomes so much more manageable to achieve. And when I say breaking it down into like incremental steps, I mean fucking incremental steps. Like if I want to write a book, the first thing I need to do is get a pen and a piece of fucking paper. And it kind of sets you on check, exactly, right? And to be able to check that off my list, I need that fucking piece of paper and a pen. Um but essentially it kind of sets you on this trajectory of very achievable positive motion. So you're like, okay, well, I've got my pen, I've got my piece of paper, check, I'm I've already achieved one goal and a step towards writing my book. The next thing is to like put a number on the page. So here's page one, check. And you like literally increment by increment, like and it's minuscule, tiny steps that are impossible to fail. You end up achieving your entire goal. Um obviously something as big as like write a book is a massive goal with a bajillion steps between here and the end. But you you still break it down into these like super super manageable little sizes.

SPEAKER_03 11:18

Bite-sized pieces.

SPEAKER_01 11:20

Complete bite-sized pieces. Anyway, so we're supposed to be talking what we're actually talking about today is the alien phenomenon or the UFOs, UAPs, and USOs.

SPEAKER_03 11:30

And uh how many acronyms can you find? Right. Yeah, and that like in that in that if it's a hot air balloon but we can't quite see it because the mountain's obscuring it, then it's still a UFO.

SPEAKER_01 12:04

An unidentified flying object, right. And like um the general public, and you you can't really blame them for making it. I mean, it's not like Hollywood isn't made uh easy to do so. Um but you know, when when it comes to like seeing something unidentified in in the sky and you know the way that Hollywood is portrayed, aliens and spacecraft and all the hosted media and and you know, influence that we have from those sorts of things. That it is even I don't even I'm guilty of it when I think about UFOs, I'm like aliens, hashtag aliens. But in fact, it's it's just an object floating up in the atmosphere that nobody knows what the fuck that is. So they've started changing the the acronym now to UAP, which is unidentified aerial phenomenon, which I think is quite distance that idea of it being extraterrestrials.

SPEAKER_03 12:47

It's it's kind of put a bit of sounds a little less proponent. So you so you blame Spielberg for this whole UFO issue.

SPEAKER_01 12:54

Fucking Stephen, sorry, Steve, but like I know he listens to the podcast. He listens to the podcast. Um he was reaching out, he was like, Do you want me to come on the show and talk about it? And I was like, no, Steve, we don't need to talk about E.T. Let it go, Steve. Let it go. You peaked way forward.

SPEAKER_03 13:08

We're having to explain what a UFO is. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 13:12

And he all he ever wants to talk about, like he's just all that E.T. E.T. Like, yeah, you peaked really early in life, Steve. Like you've just been making you've been making up for games. Maybe a couple. I mean, he did Jurassic Park, didn't he? Did he do Jurassic Park?

SPEAKER_02 13:26

I was gonna say, uh yeah, a couple. He's done a couple big, big kind of things.

SPEAKER_01 13:30

Uh I don't know how I feel about Jurassic Park. It was okay. I mean, it's it's one, but no, okay, look, it's one of those movies that you say it's okay until I sit down and watch it. I'm like, okay, it's fucking brilliant. But like I I well, yeah, I think it's great. The the premise of it, I'm all like, what really dinosaurs in a park chasing people? Really? Like, you know.

SPEAKER_03 13:50

They got out of Amber, and I it I thought it was quite clever.

SPEAKER_01 13:56

It is it is very clever, and it's a very entertaining movie when I sit down and watch it. But but I don't like the idea of it being an entertaining movie. I'm like, I'm gonna resist the idea of enjoying Jurassic Park.

SPEAKER_03 14:05

What else did Steven Spiel do? You don't like it because it's too mainstream. Wait too mainstream. You want it to be dinosaurs. You're so artsy that it has to be elevated by the mainstream movies.

SPEAKER_01 14:15

So pedestrian, so pedestrian. Uh what else did he do? He did E.T., which obviously everybody knows. He did Jurassic Park. Come on, help me think about it.

SPEAKER_03 14:22

Which everybody knows.

SPEAKER_01 14:23

Yeah, what are the Spielberg movies? I know there's a bajillion, and I can't think of any of them right now.

SPEAKER_03 14:28

Well, he did win the Lifetime Achievement Award, so there must have been a bajillion.

SPEAKER_01 14:32

He must have done something. Anyway, okay, sorry, Steve.

SPEAKER_03 14:35

He must have done sorry, Steve. We're all sorry. Um, but he was influenced by the Twilight Zone. That explains a lot, actually.

SPEAKER_01 14:43

It does, it does, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 14:45

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 14:45

So I haven't watched E.T. I haven't watched E.T. in for fucking ever. Like uh I just haven't seen that movie in such a long time. Like, I'm gonna say it's been like two decades since I've watched E.T.

SPEAKER_03 14:56

And really? Really?

SPEAKER_01 14:58

Yeah. It came out in what I've done.

SPEAKER_03 14:59

Well we didn't watch we didn't watch things really growing up like TV. And so uh all of those movies are still fairly fresh to me because I was an adult before I watched them. So even like Back to the Future, I didn't watch Back to the Future until three years ago. Really? Back to the Yeah. Wow. True story.

SPEAKER_01 15:16

Wow, okay.

SPEAKER_03 15:17

He he collaborated on Star Wars with George Lucas, Raiders of the Lost Ark. Raider. Okay, okay.

SPEAKER_01 15:23

I take everything back because Spielberg did Indiana Jones, and I feel completely I feel ashamed that I didn't remember that. Because Indiana Jones did not be able to do that.

SPEAKER_03 15:32

He co-produced poltergeist.

SPEAKER_01 15:35

Did he?

SPEAKER_03 15:36

Yes. I didn't know that. You owe so many apologies to Spielberg or I do.

SPEAKER_01 15:41

I really should pay more attention. For somebody who's got degrees in film, I should fucking know this information, right?

SPEAKER_03 15:45

Like I I feel like you should write him a letter, like a really heartfelt letter for trashing him.

SPEAKER_01 15:52

Dear Steve, I'm so sorry. Uh Steve Highhour. Gremlins. Gremlins. He did Gremlins.

SPEAKER_03 16:01

I really loved Gremlins. I'm sorry about what I said about you on the podcast. It's the Indiana Gremlins. Gremlins is my fake.

SPEAKER_01 16:07

It's the Indiana Jones Jones ones that is bringing the most shame to me because I fucking love those movies, and I really should have remembered that that was Silberg. Like I really should have. I'm embarrassed. I'm embarrassed for myself. I'm not being mean. I'm not being mean. I'm just, you know, he fucked me up. He fucked everything up with E.T. Like he just fucked us all with E.T. Now everybody's like E.T. you know, anyway. Um so we're talking about we're talking about aliens, we're talking about UFOs, we're talking about USOs, which is one that I'm really interested in. I've done a lot of research on the USOs for this podcast because I I I I like the idea of that because it takes this um, you know, like again, the UFO thing, it's so mainstream. And one of the things that I really struggle with being like, you know, very avid on UFOogy and things like that, is how much crap there is out there about UFOs, how much like CGI rubbish, bullshit, fake news there is out there. Honestly, if you go down Instagram and you look through the Instagram feed, every second post is some CGI rubbish that somebody's like real UFO sighting. And you're like, and and you know, there's there's one that I saw somebody get called out the other day where they posted this picture of a triangular black object that, you know, it was very good for CGI, but it was most certainly CGI. And somebody had commented in the post below, like, you think aliens are like what, like a foot and a half tall? Like, look how fucking thin that thing is. Like, can you CGI dudes not do a better job of making it more realistic?

SPEAKER_03 17:28

At least get the dimensions right if they're gonna bother. Otherwise, like, you know, let's go.

SPEAKER_01 17:33

Come on, Spielberg putting shit together. Otherwise, we don't have to be at all threatened by like an alien invasion of like one foot-high aliens because we can just dropkick the fuckers out, like right out. There's nothing to be threatened about. Unless they do that thing where they all stand on each other and turn into a bigger monster.

SPEAKER_03 17:48

Although that's like that's Transformers.

SPEAKER_01 17:52

That's very very men in black. Yeah. And they wear a trench coat.

SPEAKER_03 17:56

Um Although the Area 51 wasn't the those aliens are supposed to be like they thought they were children at first. They were four and a half foot tall or something, so they were tiny.

SPEAKER_01 18:05

They're tiny, but like a four and a half foot is still a quite a bit more intimidating and bigger. Sizable than a one foot. Than like a one foot. Like a one-foot, I'm just gonna step on. That's a baby. I'm just gonna step on that shit, you know what I mean? Like I've killed sp I've skilled spiders bigger than that.

SPEAKER_02 18:18

Um come to Arizona where there's tarantulas the whole time. Oh, stumping on, we'll just stump on it. Sure, you will.

SPEAKER_03 18:26

We get uh I almost stepped on one and ran from it, so no more happening.

SPEAKER_01 18:30

No, no, no. There's all sorts of creepy crawlies in this world, and I don't mind all of them, but spiders are the work of the fucking devil. Like I I am with you 100% on that one. So arachnophobic. We get these we get these spiders in South Africa because they're called baboon spiders. And I think if we were to like, if you're if you're to like imagine them by size, I would say a tarantula and a baboon spider probably come from like the same fucking genus or something like that. Because they're big motherfucking spiders and they're black and they're fucking hairy. And they also do the thing too.

SPEAKER_03 18:57

Do they have do they have a red booty?

SPEAKER_01 18:58

I don't have never gotten close enough to one to find out.

SPEAKER_03 19:01

Um I see baboon thing, I would think. Where'd the baboon come from?

SPEAKER_01 19:09

Um, but like the the one time I have seen one was when I was walking up to the bus stop to go to school in the morning, and it was dragging a fucking bird up the road. Like this this fucking baboon spider had caught a bird. It had caught a bird, and it was dragging. I am not lying, and it was pulling like it was on the side little like gutter area of the the the road, and it was it was dragging this bird back to its nest. And that's the fucking thing with these bastards, is they build these nests that hang in trees, that hang in trees. So it's like um it's like a pod that they've collected all leaves and you know, fucking sticks and shit, and then they wrap their web around it and they make this like dangling pod of disgust that hangs from like bushes and things like that.

SPEAKER_03 19:52

And that's like a caterpillar nest.

SPEAKER_01 19:54

Like a bit like a yeah, a bit like a caterpillar nest or like a cocoon of some disgusting description, but it's all like spider silk and leaves and things, and they you know that they lay their fucking baby eggs inside that shit. Mm-mm, mm-mm. Kill it with fire. That is the world.

SPEAKER_03 20:07

You know, I I have to tell you, I Googled it because I was doubting your story, but there are spiders that kill and drag birds. That's gross.

SPEAKER_01 20:16

Yes, they are. I don't know if they're like, I don't think they're like jumping and catching them in flight or whatever. Like I think they're stalking them and and waiting to pounce type of thing when they're on the ground. Um, but yeah, pretty fucking nasty creatures.

SPEAKER_03 20:29

Those are the bat spiders.

SPEAKER_01 20:30

Hmm, good. There's more. Excellent.

SPEAKER_03 20:33

I made that up. That's a lie.

SPEAKER_01 20:35

Touch wood, touch wood. Like one of the things that I'm grateful for in the area of China that I live in is we don't get big spiders here. We don't even get little ones that I remember seeing.

SPEAKER_03 20:44

I don't remember seeing that many insects there, honestly.

SPEAKER_01 20:46

Yeah. Well, there's okay, so back in like the Mao Zedong time, I've got a little history lesson for you now. Back in like the Mao Zedong time, um, there was this like uh like nationwide initiative. I think they had a very big problem with flies, like um, you know, insect flying insects and like spreading fucking germs and stuff inside people's houses.

unknown 21:03

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 21:04

So one of the things that uh the the Chinese government did via the education department, weirdly, is that they would reward uh citizens or they would reward families for bringing dead flies in. So like people would kill flies in their home and they would put them all in a jar or a bag or something, and then they would bring them into the school, and then the kids would get rewarded. I think like rice was given to your family or something like that. What? And so obviously, you know, I mean, people took advantage of that. If you're gonna get free flu free food for dead flies, you're gonna go fucking hard, right? So people were bringing in like loads and loads of dead flies. But what eventually happened is that because they'd killed off so many of the insects, all of the birds left. So there was nothing around for the birds to eat. So for a very long time, you couldn't see many birds in northern China because there just wasn't enough food to sustain them and they all kind of migrated to another place. As I'm saying this, I'm realizing what bullshit it sounds like. It might not actually be true. Um but there there is there is this kind of like focus. Story about like and about bringing flies in and trying school children catching flies and insects to bring into the schools and their families being rewarded with like bags of rice and food. And that is why you didn't get birds in northern China for a very long time.

SPEAKER_03 22:14

I would well, if if that were the case, you would think it would upset the ecosystem like that. Absolutely. Watch something about what would happen if you uh well with with bees, obviously there's a lot of talk about what happens when the bees are gone.

SPEAKER_05 22:26

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 22:26

Or even with bats, like how just losing bats would uh destroy the ecosystem. I like bats.

SPEAKER_01 22:32

I really like bats. They're adorable.

SPEAKER_03 22:34

Do you? Have you seen the ones in the Philippines that are the size of people? That is unacceptable.

SPEAKER_01 22:40

They're beautiful things, though. They're really beautiful creatures. Um, I like them. I think they're bats. I just want to be clear that we're talking about. But they go into that category of like it's so ugly, it's cute, you know what I mean? Like it's so like its face is so ugly, you just want to squish it. Um, I think they're lovely.

SPEAKER_03 22:54

Uh again, like they're like moths are to butterflies as bats are to birds.

SPEAKER_02 22:59

It is not the same.

SPEAKER_03 23:00

Just because they have wings and can fly, they're not beautiful.

SPEAKER_02 23:04

Or dolphins are to sharks. They're pretty animals and they're ugly animals. And I'm sorry, bats or the ugly one. They're the ugly cousin.

SPEAKER_01 23:14

I like I said, I really I don't mind any creepy, crawly thing on earth if it's slithers, slithers, slithers. If it's slithers, I don't mind it. If like anything else, caterpillars, moths, and you any spiders are the work of the fucking devil. I've got like there must be some sort of a past lifetime thing going on here with me and spiders, because I have no rational reason to have fear of spiders. I've never been bitten by a spider because I've never been close enough to a spider to get bitten.

SPEAKER_03 23:37

Um, so I mine got me while I was sleeping, so I wouldn't, I wouldn't have well, I had released it. We always let insects go. My dad was always very let them out of the house. You let them live because it's a life. And then my face was paralyzed by twice by brown recluse, and that's when I started really not liking them.

SPEAKER_01 23:56

Yeah, see, these are I'm I'm starting to cross reasons to go to Arizona off my list. I'm like big fucking spider.

SPEAKER_02 24:03

Sleeping brown recluse spider.

SPEAKER_01 24:05

Sounds after I let it go.

SPEAKER_03 24:07

Come on.

SPEAKER_01 24:08

Horrible. I'm like a I'm a full-on proper arachnophobic. Like it's I cannot be in the same room. I gotta leave the room. Anyway, let's talk about let's talk about aliens. Oh, yeah, we're let's talk about what we're here at the same time.

SPEAKER_03 24:19

So this isn't about spiders and bats.

SPEAKER_01 24:20

This isn't this is not the National Geographic uh David Attenborough special on spiders and bats. We're here to talk about aliens and UFOs and USOs and UAPs and ETs and LMNOPs and all the other acronyms that fall under the umbrella.

SPEAKER_03 24:34

So I well, I started with the statistics of how much uh because I remembered reading about it how much space has been explored versus the ocean. Yes. And so of the visible space that we can see, we've explored four percent. Okay. Of the ocean, five percent. Just to add to the mystery of what's going on in the ocean. And the ocean, you know, is is uh what it's a huge, what is it? The percentage of the earth is covered, was it 70%?

SPEAKER_01 25:02

70% or something like that. Either we've only yeah, either the earth is 70% water or humans are 70% water, or or both.

SPEAKER_03 25:09

I think it's both.

SPEAKER_01 25:09

I think it's both.

SPEAKER_03 25:11

And then as you get older, you start you you're goes down to 60, 50.

SPEAKER_02 25:15

Yeah, you just become withered and gross and short and punch back and dry, aging so dry.

SPEAKER_04 25:22

Just such a ripoff.

SPEAKER_03 25:24

So, um, so the science part of it, of course, uh, especially when the video came out with the Navy and they they released it without permission about seeing the Tic Tac, then everything was and um Navy officers have said that for years and years and years they spot stuff all the time, but this is the time that they actually released it. Um and so, sorry, hold on.

SPEAKER_01 25:49

Okay, holding on.

SPEAKER_03 25:51

You're gonna edit that out for sure. And if you don't, I'll be mad. Um uh so let me just do that again. So after the Navy had their big Tic Tac uh video released and they didn't have any permission to do that, everybody was a buzz about what what is going on in the water, and so it became this big mystery of uh they figured out that one in five UFO sightings actually occur near water or from the water. And that's a pretty high percentage when you think about how much we're seeing.

SPEAKER_01 26:26

Also, if you consider how much of the earth is covered in water, like it might just be that it's it's very difficult to be far away from water, like if you're not one of the landlocked states of in like you know, in the middle of the like Arizona. Like Arizona, like otherwise you're you're pretty much because there's there's USO um reports from like the Great Lakes, like Lake Michigan and all those places as well. And if you're anywhere along a coastline, anywhere near water, then but anyway, not to discredit the.

SPEAKER_03 26:49

I guess it's a 70 I guess it's a 70% shot there.

SPEAKER_01 26:52

So in fairness, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 26:54

Um but but the uh the government for the most part has uh and and science has attributed it to clouds or haze to uh exper X. What was the wrong thing?

SPEAKER_01 27:08

Should I list alphabetically?

SPEAKER_02 27:09

Science, science has attributed no, science has attributed it to shut up, Xander.

SPEAKER_03 27:18

Like I'm just so stuck on you burning me there. Science has attributed it to clouds or haze and drones, obviously, which we were talking about a little earlier, uh, light reflections, satellites, stars, what folklore, what um, and then just well, an urban mythology, and then also uh this one is the most credible, I think, of of all the theories is that it's fatigue because a lot of times the sightings are from military personnel or from fishermen and they're just exhausted. And so it's it's it goes back to the dreaming thing. It's like that waking dream. Like they think they saw it, but they were they hadn't slept in 22 hours.

SPEAKER_01 28:01

So you know, but okay, and and all of those, I mean, that sure fatigue and things like that is going to play into it, but why why why would they across so many different departments and so many different governments and so many different individuals who have seen and are coming forward and and and saying that they've seen these weird fucking things while they're out out at sea or in the sky or whatever, why would they all describe them so similarly? Why would there not be a little bit more like variation in them? Like if you're if you're really fatigued and you're like, let's say, like on a uh fucking battleship out in the middle of the ocean somewhere, why isn't anybody going like I thought I saw a leprechaun, but uh clearly I'm just very tired?

SPEAKER_03 28:35

Why is it always like they do say they see mermaids, so there is some, but even those are consistent reports, so yeah. But like it's Or the Loch Ness Monster.

SPEAKER_01 28:45

The Loch Ness Monster show. But I mean that's not fatigue from like a an uh in the Navy, that's just like um Scotland drinking. Scotland drank Scottish people in the city.

SPEAKER_03 28:59

Sorry, Scotland. Sorry, sorry, Scott, sorry, Steve, sorry, Scotland.

SPEAKER_01 29:04

The list of apologies starts at the beginning of season two. We're starting off season two the same way we started off season one. Just apologies to everybody we're going to offend over the course of the.

SPEAKER_02 29:13

Are you writing it down, your list of people to apologize to this episode?

SPEAKER_01 29:17

Season two. You did. Apologies. Apologies. I'm writing it down.

SPEAKER_02 29:22

Who are you gonna write in Scotland? Stephen Spielberg. My co-host made the blunder of calling all of you alcoholics. I don't know who to send this letter to.

SPEAKER_01 29:30

She just wanted to Nessie. We've got to write apology letters to Nessie Naswag or just the general Scottish public. The mermaids. The mermaids, we pissed them off. Okay, but go go go through that list again because there were some things in there that you're just gonna be like, what? So go through that list again. Because I'm not a whole clouds?

SPEAKER_02 29:54

What clouds?

SPEAKER_03 29:55

What have you clouds and haze, which is difficult unless they're saying that it's obscuring part of something that someone should have recognized. And so the clouds and haze and geography was an issue.

SPEAKER_01 30:07

You do get some very fucking weird cloud formations that like you if you looked at them. Look, a lot of people say that uh UFOs or UAPs um have cloaking devices, right? So that they they appear to be either something that they're not, like they can disguise themselves as a cloud or inside a cloud, or that they have cloaking devices that make them invisible, and then clouds will form around them, or condensation will form around the object in the atmosphere, and thus look like a UFO-shaped cloud. And there are, even if you go and look at um pictures of Table Mountain in Cape Town, which is where I'm from, there are there is this cloud phenomenon where they are and they've they're fucking weird-looking clouds. They are these big round circular-looking clouds that even if I saw them, I'd be like, Whoa, that's a fucking UFO. Like, that is some and it is a UFO because it's an unidentified floating object in the sky. It's a weird fucking cloud. Um, but you do get these weird cloud formations that do resemble like um round objects that we would otherwise call like the the shape of a flying saucer or the shape of like a spacecraft, that round object. But there's a natural phenomenon. But you know, I don't know. Can we blame it on can we blame it on the clouds? I don't think we can blame it on the clouds.

SPEAKER_03 31:15

Yeah, I no. I'm not I'm gonna mark that off the list. I'm gonna I'm gonna let the science community know that that's not what it's like.

SPEAKER_01 31:22

Just take it off, just contact who's that guy with uh who's that famous physicist? What's like Neil deGrasse Tyson? Phone Neil. We're gonna put Neil on the list. Phone Neil. Yeah, phone Neil, apologize.

SPEAKER_05 31:35

That hack.

SPEAKER_01 31:36

Yeah, give him shit for not for saying that Pluto's not a planet. Fuck you, Neil. Um, and then also ask me.

SPEAKER_03 31:43

After we memorized all those poems about planets, man, like waste.

SPEAKER_01 31:47

You know, I spend a lot of time in school remembering that. And w the the ones that you remember is always Pluto because it's the last one on the list. It was always the last one, right?

SPEAKER_03 31:55

And it's a Disney character, and it's a fucking Disney character.

SPEAKER_01 31:58

And so now we're gonna just find Disney.

SPEAKER_03 32:00

And Uranus, just because that's funny. Because that's funny. Or Uranus.

SPEAKER_01 32:03

I think it's pronounced Uranus, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 32:05

I think it But it's still gross.

SPEAKER_02 32:06

No matter which way you pronounce it, it's still a gross one. It's a break there with moist, in my opinion.

SPEAKER_01 32:12

But even if you do pronounce it uranus in a serious conversation, they like even if it's like at a like a scientific conference, I'm sure when they mention the word uranus, I'm sure looks go around the room where everyone's like because everybody knows in their brain they're going uranus.

SPEAKER_03 32:26

Umunds like urine. It does.

SPEAKER_01 32:30

Funny enough.

SPEAKER_03 32:30

So you do you haven't won anything from that?

SPEAKER_01 32:32

I I know a guy in South Africa who is an actor, and his name, I think it's German, is Urin, and I could never take it seriously. That's his name. That is his name, Urin. Um anyway, that's it.

SPEAKER_03 32:43

I have a student with that name, and I that that was difficult too. I asked how to pronounce it, and it was what I assumed it would be. You know, it's the same thing though, with um with the unexplained aerial phenomenon, it doesn't really clear anything up when you think about it. Like to rename it, they it it should have been more like we know what it is, we're just not telling you. Instead of like, I mean, really, they haven't diversified the definition that much by just changing it to UFO.

SPEAKER_01 33:08

I think it's just I think they're just trying to distance that pop culture kind of mentality. Yeah, like rebranding. But it's like it's creating a uh like creating a divide in the pop culture thing that UFO is synonymous with extraterrestrial visitation to Earth and UAP kind of like is disruptive. It's a it's a disruptive acronym.

SPEAKER_03 33:26

It like kind of Yeah, but how would you know which one's which? You're looking up in the sky, there's a tic-tac. Is it a UAP or UFO?

SPEAKER_01 33:32

They're the same thing. It is the same thing.

SPEAKER_03 33:33

That's what I mean. They haven't really solved anything.

SPEAKER_01 33:35

Yeah. Um, true, true that.

SPEAKER_03 33:38

I'm getting can you write a letter to them too and tell them we're dissatisfied with their rebrand?

SPEAKER_01 33:43

Dia Nessa, hi, how are you?

SPEAKER_02 33:45

Um We'd just like to talk to you about your rebrand.

SPEAKER_01 33:49

We're not really that pleased with the direction it's taken. Love Xander. Um the next on the list was I'm sorry? Love Xander and Stone.

SPEAKER_03 33:58

Yeah, exactly.

SPEAKER_02 34:00

We'd love to get a stamp for all of our apology letters. Like just, oh, it's another one from Xander and Stone. Here it comes.

SPEAKER_01 34:08

Just put it in the pile.

SPEAKER_03 34:11

Um, experimental drones was there next.

SPEAKER_01 34:14

See, okay, I can be I can be on board with that one as being an unidentified aerial phenomenon or UFO because we generally we don't know what those things look like. We we know what like the little home drones look like, and we know what the ones that like they've made public are, but I'm sure governments have these like high flying, high-atmosphere drones that are all like fancy and techy, and we don't know what the fuck they look like yet.

SPEAKER_03 34:36

Right. Yeah, they probably have the cloaking device on them, that's why we don't know what they look like.

SPEAKER_01 34:40

What do you I mean, just like your personal opinion about this idea of drones and that there's things flying above us in the sky that are constantly watching us and are able to like track us and zoom down to be able to like make out the features of like the shoes that you're wearing? Like they've got incredible technology. How do you feel about that? Do you feel that's like an invasion of our huge invasion?

SPEAKER_03 34:59

It is. The first time I I I I grew up at, like I've said before, in the middle of nowhere, nowhere. And when I put the address in Google Earth and to be able to see the house that's surrounded by woods and no neighbors, but you could see our house, I was like, Are you kidding me? It's fucking weird. You can't you can't even hide from it. Like there's there's nowhere to go from there.

SPEAKER_01 35:17

Yeah. I've done the same thing with my mom's place in South Africa, and I went onto Google Street View, and you can see you can see the front of my mother's fucking house.

SPEAKER_03 35:24

Like you, you it's as if you're and whatever cars are parked there, which has made me think, I wonder if people have had divorces over this because some randos car is parked out front just right when they're taking the picture.

SPEAKER_01 35:36

There, there is, I can't remember which serial killer it was, but Google Earth actually captured um, it was a serial killer. He had a and it's in the States, obviously, because that's where all serial killers are.

SPEAKER_04 35:46

Of course.

SPEAKER_01 35:47

But he he had a he had like a fucking gardening service or something like that, and he had his gardening service with the branding on the van. And they actually captured Google, the Google Earth camera and the Google Streetcar thing. It actually captured his van parked on the street outside of the house of one of his victims, and that's how they identified that he was the killer and made all the links. And it was because of Google Street Cam. But being in China, you can't find me on Google Street Cam. You can find me with Google Maps and look from the aerial view, but they don't do street levels. But not the street camp. Because Google is a hashtag, no thanks in China.

SPEAKER_03 36:20

You know, I the biggest upset in this part of the conversation is I didn't see you write down the United States on your apology letters.

SPEAKER_01 36:27

I'm not ready to apologize yet.

SPEAKER_02 36:32

It's a third slam, you got Hollywood, you already know Hollywood, Steven Spielberg, the United States of America, Google.

SPEAKER_03 36:40

Google, yeah. You better see that.

SPEAKER_01 36:44

It's already getting quite chunky. Um, but I'm not ready to apologize to America as a whole yet. Um, not until Trump gets.

SPEAKER_03 36:51

Yeah, I just can't wait to see you addressing these letters to.

SPEAKER_01 36:55

Donald.

SPEAKER_03 36:57

Hi, how are you? You have very little time to write him. You better get in there quick. Um much to his dismay. Um sorry sorry, Donald. Sorry, Donald.

SPEAKER_01 37:09

Sorry.

SPEAKER_03 37:10

Um, light reflections.

SPEAKER_01 37:12

Okay, that one, like how? How does that work? What is it reflecting off? And again, it must be atmospheric something. Light reflecting off the dark. Light reflecting off the things that aren't light. Um it must be it must be reflecting off atmosphere, then. I mean, that must kind of tie in with the clouds and the haze.

SPEAKER_03 37:27

The clouds and the haze.

SPEAKER_01 37:28

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 37:30

Satellites.

SPEAKER_01 37:32

Hmm, what do you think of that? What do you think of satellites? I think there are satellites, I believe, in satellites. I've heard that there are satellites. I'm suspicious.

SPEAKER_03 37:40

Um Spielberg put in one of his movies, so I wanted to be drink the coid.

SPEAKER_01 37:45

No, no, and I mean obviously we know that they're satellites, but okay, so interesting, interesting factoid about satellites is they always travel uh it's in one of the cardinals. They either always travel north to south or they always travel east to west. I'm gonna say that they always travel east to west.

SPEAKER_03 37:59

I think you should say that.

SPEAKER_01 38:01

I'm gonna say that. That's what I'm gonna say. They always travel east to west.

SPEAKER_03 38:03

And you did say that.

SPEAKER_01 38:05

If you go back, if you go back and listen to the interview that I did with the guy from MUFON, um he talks about that that satellites all travel in the same orbital direction around the earth. So they're always going, all satellites go from east to west. I'm gonna say it was east to west if memory serves correctly, and it usually doesn't. Um but if you see and why?

SPEAKER_03 38:22

What is the rationale?

SPEAKER_01 38:23

Um, well, actually, no, that that's I can tell you exactly why. Um because if it traveled north to south, it wouldn't actually, it wouldn't cover all of the continents. Traveling east to west, it would pass over America, it would pass over Africa, it would pass over Asia. If it went north to south, it would just be circling like let's say Africa and the Pacific. Santa Claus. Yeah. It would be doing that. Got it. But like it wouldn't it wouldn't get as much coverage over as many continents. It would always be circling over one continent rather than around the world. Um which and then that whole thing of like global positioning wouldn't really work out.

SPEAKER_03 39:00

I wonder if Google does the same thing. Does that mean it you could technically hide out in north and south?

SPEAKER_01 39:06

Possibly. I don't think I don't think you get very good Wi-Fi coverage up in the Antarctic.

SPEAKER_03 39:10

See, that's your hiding place. Which is why there's a lot of suspicion about Antarctica, right?

SPEAKER_01 39:16

Dear United States, I'm in the Antarctic and I just want to apologize.

SPEAKER_02 39:25

I just I really feel like we should do this.

SPEAKER_03 39:26

And then you have to publish it on our on our site, obviously, so that in case the right person doesn't get it, they could always you could we just send them the website and say, please reference our website for authors.

SPEAKER_01 39:37

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 39:37

Dear Steve, this is also online. Hi, how are you? Stars to me is super insulting, actually, because I feel like that's just telling us that we're idiots. Like, surely I know what a star looks like.

SPEAKER_01 39:54

But that's exactly what I was saying. That there's a lot of things on this list that I I feel like the governments are looking at as the general public and going, they're a bunch of fucking cattle, they're morons, because they can't they can't tell the difference between a cloud and uh an unidentified metal object zooting through the sky at hundreds and hundreds of kilometers of the side. Zooting, it's a technical term. Um I did not know that. Yeah, zooting. I'm writing it down. Yeah, yeah, for zoot. Um but yeah, I look, I agree with you. And it that in fact it comes back to also just the satellites as well. That I don't think satellites are in a low enough orbit around the earth for us to look up and say, Oh, look, there goes a fucking satellite.

SPEAKER_03 40:30

It usually I think that would be exciting just to be able to spot a satellite.

SPEAKER_01 40:34

It would be also rather con it would be very concerning because that's about to crash down to Earth. It's it cannot Earth's gravity is by then putting it.

SPEAKER_03 40:42

It's more of a miracle to spot the satellite, yeah, exactly.

SPEAKER_01 40:45

Orbiting around the Earth. Um I've I have seen like I've uh you know, out in in South Africa where I come from, it's very rural and we don't have any streetlights, we don't have any city lights, so I can see a very nice, beautiful night sky with all the stars. And I have seen satellites going over. And like I can yeah, I can even take you out at specific times and say, okay, if you look in this direction now, a satellite is going to pass over because they pass over at the same time every single night. And it's ten past eleven. Ten past eleven p.m. I can show you if we're standing in a very specific spot where I come from in Cape Town, um, I can show you where the satellite crosses over.

SPEAKER_03 41:18

Um I don't think I've ever seen a satellite in my life.

SPEAKER_01 41:21

It looks like it looks like a star, it looks like a moving star, and I can see why it would very easily be confused as an unidentified flying object. I mean, okay, I'm I'm assuming it's a fucking satellite, otherwise it's a very, very regular passover by UFO. Um a type A alien. It's like, no, no, this is when we're heading this way. We always go this way. Um we have a schedule, people. We have a schedule. If they really are intelligent life, they would do that. They would fall in synchronization with the satellites going over. Oh my god.

SPEAKER_03 41:53

That is their cloaking system.

SPEAKER_01 41:55

We've cracked the code. Oh my god. Again. Oh my god. Quickly, we're I'm naming it's dear Steven for your next movie.

SPEAKER_02 42:06

Like that means that's a short film, Xander. Like, there's not a lot of meat to that. And then like you just see a little alien hanging off the side of the satellite. End scene.

SPEAKER_01 42:16

Anyway, um, but so like the the satellites, satellites we wouldn't see them because they're in they're too high up in the the orbit for us to actually spot them, other than a tiny little moving dot in the sky, which is what they look like, a moving star. And exactly like you said, don't treat us like fucking idiots. We know what fucking stars look like.

SPEAKER_03 42:32

Um they don't move like the one that I saw. It doesn't move from one side of the sky to the other in five seconds. Like that would be and then back. It's not like it was a falling star that just kept falling and then boomeranged.

SPEAKER_01 42:45

Changed its mind. Like, come on. Okay, wait, tell us about that. So uh you saw what? Tell me about that. Tell me more. Tell me.

SPEAKER_03 42:51

Well, this isn't anything to do with the water ones, to be clear. That's fine. But uh but and actually we if anyone wants to reference season one, we talk oh, do we not? We haven't talked about it.

SPEAKER_01 43:03

No, I don't think we have, no.

SPEAKER_03 43:04

I think we did it on the guest spot we did. But uh yes, we were me and my boyfriend at the time. I think most of my stories start that way. Me and my ex, one of my exes. Um sad. Um just sad. This was unlucky. We should save this for the Valentine's episode and another time with an ex-boyfriend. Um so we were working on film, and that's significant because we had video equipment in our car, and we were returning from Vegas, and my um stepdad is retired from the Air Force and worked a lot with things that I still don't know about in the military. And so uh my boyfriend woke me up and he said, Look around us, those look like fireflies, but we don't have fireflies here, you know, like uh lightning bugs. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And all around our car was. Little tiny dot lights, and um, and so I woke up and looked around and I thought, yes, that's odd. And so we pulled over, like there was a dirt part to pull over. We pulled over, and there was a trucker that was sleeping, and I was trying to will him awake, and then I look up and I see these stacking, like really uh significantly big stacking globes of light, orbs, if you will. Orbs, yeah, and it would be one, two, three, four stack, and then it would start over, they would disappear, start over again. Whoa, just in the sky. So at this point, I'm pretty convinced we're gonna be abducted. So I call my mom and I say, Mom, check it out. This is what's going down. No, I actually was I was thinking, um 1111. I was thinking, I was thinking that maybe it was a military thing. So I called and I said, Hey, ask Gary if there's any sort of military things happening over here. And there wasn't, to his knowledge or to anyone's knowledge. And um, and then so stacking globes, firefly thing happening, and then there and and we pull out our video cameras, which were fully charged. That's significant.

SPEAKER_05 45:12

Okay.

SPEAKER_03 45:12

Fully charged when we left, both of them completely dead. One of the phones was dead, iPad dead. The only thing that was working was my iPhone, and I was able to record it with my iPhone, but and I did send it to Mufon, and they were very interested in it, but it looked like this dot, this dot or satellite was going like flying across the sky. And because I live in Arizona, like there weren't mountains there to obstruct it, like it was just straight across the sky, then zipping back. I mean, the speed at which this thing was going, and I mean, I'm reporting everything to my mom when it's happening, and then and she's like, they're looking and trying to figure out like what's going on there, and then all of a sudden we see a military uh plane go, a military jet go up, and it it looked like it looked like it was on a bicycle by comparison, like there's a ship bicycle like pedaling along, like just to tell you like how fast this it was almost like this thing was toying with it. And again, I came back to well, maybe it's a military thing, military exercise, since there's a military, but it looked like this thing was just toying with it, like it was a joke, this military plane. So then, as we're lucky, we didn't get abducted, much to your dissatisfaction. We didn't get abducted that I know of, that I know of we didn't get abducted, and and then uh my mom sent me a article and the same report of the stacking globe lights and the they there wasn't about the um lightning bug thing, but the stacking globes and the um the racing flying thing uh four years before in the same area that we were in.

SPEAKER_01 46:47

That's crazy. That's crazy. And it's so it's that whole thing about like how they move faster than any like aircraft that we know about, and like our and you know, if if it was if it was like a black ops thing and if it was a military test, why would they bother sending up a crappy thing that's not going to be able to keep up with it?

SPEAKER_03 47:03

Like exactly why would they have a lot of it? Well, and I did I asked my stepdad, I said, is there anything that can call that fast? He's like, Absolutely not. Wow, like there's not nothing that we have.

SPEAKER_01 47:12

That's crazy.

SPEAKER_03 47:12

I I don't know if that's a government secret. I mean, we have ri we have the fastest everything. Just kidding. It could have been military because we have the fastest everything. Put that on our apology to the US.

SPEAKER_01 47:23

Dear America.

SPEAKER_03 47:26

Sorry, just kidding. We're we're the fastest, we're the best. Just kidding. Um, but yeah, so that so that again, not a satellite. I mean, when you go through the list, it was nighttime, not clouds, definitely not stars. And these stacking globes, to me, even though that other thing was going crazy fast, the stacking globes was a real mystery thing. Like, what was that about? Wasn't it a touch point? Was it a guidance system? I mean, even if they were doing military testing, why stacking globes that disappear and start again? Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 47:56

I mean, like just in the middle of the sky. When you when you're saying it, like I'm kind of picturing like a um like a series of lights going on, like one, two, three, four, and then all going off, so they would disappear. One, two, three, four, like the same sequence type of a thing.

SPEAKER_03 48:08

Yeah, like a traffic light, but you know, but faster and sequenced, and then they would all disappear again. It's like you couldn't see the orb until it lit up. And they were they were stacked on each other and the same perfect circles, stack, stack, stack, stack, crazy, crazy start again.

SPEAKER_01 48:24

We must do a little bit of digging into that and find out more about that. There's obviously, you know, I don't think we can talk about the the UFO UAP thing um without bringing up the Phoenix lights, especially because you live in Arizona. Yeah, um, and that's obviously one of the most like well-known, well-documented, well-publicized um UFO, like mass UFO sightings. And to me, that's where that's where like a lot of these UFO and UAP things start to build a lot of credit, is when it's a mass sighting. And they want to come out with this bullshit like, oh, it's a mass hallucination. Like, how does how does mass fucking hallucination even work? You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_03 48:58

Like that's even more paranormal. That is, right? Like how did you do that?

SPEAKER_01 49:03

People on completely opposite ends of huge big cities. I mean, that that kind of implies that they're pumping fucking chemicals into the air and giving people like mass hallucination trips, like they're pumping massive amounts of LSD across fucking Phoenix and going, like, let's see what happens. Um, but the the the Phoenix lights one, I mean, I don't think anytime I ever meet anybody who says that they're from Arizona and or from Phoenix, I'm like, okay, were you there? Did you see the Phoenix lights? And I know that you and I have spoken about it as well.

SPEAKER_03 49:29

Right. I did not see it.

SPEAKER_01 49:31

That's such a pity. I wish you had to be.

SPEAKER_03 49:33

Well, I wasn't living in Phoenix at the time, so there you go.

SPEAKER_01 49:36

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 49:37

But there were there were mass sightings uh this year, twice, right? They happened within a month.

SPEAKER_01 49:42

Um also in Arizona?

SPEAKER_03 49:44

No, no, no. It was uh that's why I'm I'm actually I'm giving it a goo.

SPEAKER_01 49:48

Give it a goo. While you give it a goo, I'm gonna go and pee.

SPEAKER_00 49:53

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SPEAKER_03 50:57

So, oh wow, there's all kinds of sightings here.

SPEAKER_01 51:00

There's all kinds of sightings in America.

SPEAKER_03 51:02

Report it says California and Florida report most UFO sightings. That's surprising to me, actually.

SPEAKER_01 51:08

Is marijuana legal in those states?

SPEAKER_03 51:12

Arizona. Um, yeah, actually, Califor I don't know about Florida. California definitely they beat Arizona on that one.

SPEAKER_01 51:20

Florida's got its own mess. Anything that starts, any any weird shit you see in the news, you're like, yep, probably in Florida, because it's always Florida man.

SPEAKER_03 51:27

Florida man. Florida man.

SPEAKER_01 51:28

Florida man reports UFO. I'm sure he probably fucking.

SPEAKER_03 51:31

Well, you know, their insects are the size of aliens there, so they have issues. You know, I I've been to Florida a few times, and each time I would I between the alligators, the heat, the humidity, and the insects, like I don't even need to know any more crazy that's funny. So I'm trying to find the specific ones, but but um but they this specific article is also talking about how the USA is really taking ever you know all the alien stuff seriously. I think it's because they can't avoid it anymore because he's making such a big deal about it. But with the Israeli security official in early December saying ETs were in contact, and even President Trump knows about it, yeah. Um that uh the Navy pilots had released that uh the DOD created a task force specifically for UAPs. And um, and obviously, you know, they had the task force project blue book in the 60s. So I mean this has been this has been ongoing in present presidential sightings, Jimmy Carter and who was the other one? Uh I know Jimmy Carter, Gerald Ford, yeah, um, and then celebrities, uh William Shatner, Muhammad Ali, Diana Croy. So so yeah, so but there were um Texans ain't ready for extraterrestrial reveal scientists say we have to read that article later. That's a good one.

SPEAKER_01 52:53

Very specifically, Texas is just not ready to be. Texas is not ready.

SPEAKER_02 52:56

I I wouldn't say that Texas would be ready.

SPEAKER_01 52:59

Dear Texas.

SPEAKER_03 53:03

Well, Texas, honestly, anytime I've met someone from Texas, I know they're from Texas, and and and I asked them if they had to get a passport because they always uh think that they're separate from the US. So I'm sure they think they're very separate from the rest of the universe as well. They're their own entity, so I'm sure they're not ready for the big reveal. Sorry, Texas.

SPEAKER_01 53:25

Throw that one out too. Um there have been, like you said, there's been a lot of like um, or not a lot, but there's been a few like presidential sightings. Well, not presidential sightings. UFOs, we've all seen the presidents so many inappropriate jokes right now.

SPEAKER_03 53:46

The other the other excuses aside that I'll again say that we're just idiots is uh folklore, which again the folklore thing has to be based on something, even if it's folklore, yeah. Somebody saw it originally. Urban mythology, same as folklore. And then the fatigue, which we talked about, the military and fishermen.

SPEAKER_01 54:04

I think we should give the the military guys a bit more credit with it when it comes to the thing like fatigue. Because they, I mean, you know, they're they're specifically trained to deal with things like fatigue, and they go on these like long training expeditions and things so that they can maintain their wits about them in a wartime situation where they would suffer from a lot of things like fatigue. So I I think we're kind of discrediting them a little bit for that and kind of just trying to get to the other thing.

SPEAKER_03 54:24

Or abusing them if they're that fatigued. Maybe we need to start giving them some rest. If they can't do their job right and they're hallucinating, maybe we're working them too hard.

SPEAKER_01 54:34

Maybe, maybe. It might explain a lot with what's wrong with the world at the moment. Um but the the thing about like folklore and and like urban mythology, and particularly about folklore, there's obviously, you know, I mean, there's all the Native American folklore that say we are ceded from star people. Um it's in the Zulu culture as well, and it's in different cultures around the world. Obviously, you look at things like the Sumerians and the like, you know, those those ancient cultures where they all say we are visited, we are descendants of star people, which we spoke about in our episode of the Pleiadians. Um and again, you know, I don't think it's something it's it's it's in folklore, but it's not to me, it's not in modern pop culture folklore. It's it's in like folklore from other cultures that's very like that that are kind of very divided from modern pop culture. It's not part of the average I'm when I say the average American, I mean I'm I'm not talking about um like cultures like people from the Native American tradition who would have who would have it part of their uh it would be like an integrated part of their tradition, their traditional beliefs. But m most people are part of like some sort of a mainstream religion these days. And all of those mainstream religions tend to shun this idea of extraterrestrials and UFOs because it implies so many things, and that's one of the reasons why they don't they say that they're not disclosing UFOs to us, is because the governments are worried that it's going to shake society and we're not bel we're not ready for it and it's going to be.

SPEAKER_03 56:02

I'd like to think that we're ready for it then.

SPEAKER_01 56:05

I think they must give us a bit more credit. I think I think we would I think we would do okay with the idea.

SPEAKER_03 56:11

The fact that the Vatican's on board with the UFOs makes me happy.

SPEAKER_01 56:15

I mean, how on board are they though?

SPEAKER_03 56:17

No, they are.

SPEAKER_01 56:18

They are fully on board. Oh yeah, the Pope, the Pope did say that he would he would he would welcome them and baptize them. You're making a lot of fucking assumptions.

SPEAKER_03 56:27

I didn't say they weren't going to try to process them, I just said they're on board.

SPEAKER_01 56:32

And we shall convert them to Catholicism.

SPEAKER_03 56:34

Uh oh, and and speaking of the Native Americans, Christopher Um Columbus has a written record of a uh UFO sighting. He does.

SPEAKER_01 56:42

I actually went and had a little bit of a poke around about that when I was doing my research. So I I had heard about the Christopher Columbus sightings, um, or that he had reported seeing lights in the sky, and he reported seeing lights in the sky while he was at sea, so we can as you know, if we're going to take the leap, we're going to say it um UFOs over the water or coming out of the water. And when I started doing a little bit more research into how they might explain that, there was a I mean, I I can't remember the name of the professor, some dude from a university somewhere, who who was talking about these things, they're called fireworms, and they're they're it's a certain type of bioluminescent creature that is out at sea. And um they during the mating season, the female of this bioluminescent worm thing, they float to the top of the the the the the ocean surface, like they float to the top of the the sea, and they move in these circular patterns, and like it's their mating ritual is to move in these patterns and to bioluminesce, and they reckon that that is more than likely what Columbus saw, um, is because it was out at the horizon, it was also described as a very, very faint light, and he called a lot of his shipmates or you know, people to come and like see the lights out there, and of all of them that he called, and most of them couldn't actually see it, so he's the only person who ever had a written record of it. Um, and most of them were like, We don't know what you're talking about, and even he described it as a very faint light out at the horizon. So the few explanations.

SPEAKER_03 58:06

He said it's just passed to India.

SPEAKER_01 58:08

Yeah, which you know well done. Um, but uh the the they've said like it could be those these fireworms, these bioluminescent fireworms that live in the ocean. They say that it could actually have been on land, that there might have been fires on land in the distance. Um, and then there's another like and you know, and a few other things that they describe it as one of them being like weather phenomenon that it was like just light kind of catching the you know atmosphere or the the like the water vapor just above the sea. So it's it's one of those things that they're never ever ever going to be able to prove that because nobody can actually go back and fucking ask him.

SPEAKER_03 58:42

Well, a time machine. We could that's another episode. That's another episode for a different time.

SPEAKER_01 58:46

Yeah, that's another episode for a different time. Yeah, okay. So in my research and looking for information, I really focused in on the USO phenomenon because unidentified philosophy.

SPEAKER_02 58:56

Because that's what the episode was doing.

SPEAKER_01 58:57

Because that was yeah, essentially that's what we were supposed to be doing. But we kind of went in all directions with it. Um But you know the uh uh the reason why I wanted us to do USOs as well, as opposed to UFO or UAP, is really because when you start looking online for information about unidentified flying object sightings or UAP sightings, or you start to look on social media feeds about it, the the line or the the blur between like what is real and what is fake news, it starts to get very, very difficult to unpick what's real and what's fake. Because again, anybody who sees anything in the sky starts to claim that it's a frisbee in the fucking sky. And people people go through an awful lot of trouble to produce fake evidence, like these fake videos, CGI, even like really shitty fake evidence, or you know, and it's the same thing when you when you start looking in like paranormal groups on Facebook and things like that. Like anything, anything in a photograph that looks a little bit odd, suddenly everybody's like, What can you tell from this photo? What like psychic messages are you getting? And we're like, No, Nancy, that's just like your husband off to the side smoking, smoking his 30th camel for the day, you know what I mean? Like, and that's the smoke from his cigarette coming out. Um, but it the But Nancy on your apology list. Dear Nancy, dear Nancy. Sorry, Nancy. Dear Nancy. Um but when you start looking for like legitimate sightings of UFOs and UAPs, it becomes very difficult to be able to weed out the fake ones and the things that people have created versus actual legitimate ones. And I to me, one of the biggest things to look for is whether or not it's one of those hashtag blurry photos. Because again, with all the modern technology that we've got and the amazing cameras that we all have on our smart smartphones, no one's ever taken a decent fucking photograph of a UFO.

SPEAKER_03 1:00:43

But having said that, in my own personal story, I am telling you, we had those video cameras charged. I mean, it's weird that everything went dead, and the iPhone at night is the worst camera, I think, on the universe. So, I mean, in my video, all you can see it's not blurry, but it's just this dot, like zoop, zoop, zoop. It's horrific that we're working on film stuff and and we ourselves couldn't even get a good video. So, in defense of the blurry videos, in defense of the blurry videos, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:13

But look, I mean, uh, and again, it's something that came up in a lot of the research that I did that people say that when you're in like a closish proximity to this type type of a phenomenon, that electronic produ uh uh electronic products and things like that, your your electronics and your cameras and your phones and stuff, they all stop working and they have glitches and everything gets weird. But when you're talking about something like a big mass sighting, then there's got to be somebody out there who got a decent fucking photograph at a normal fucking angle of uh some sort of an aerial phenomenon, right? I'm not discrediting them. If there's anything out of all the paranormal concepts that I buy into one 100% and I'm not skeptical about, it's the fact that there are UAPs and UFOs, and and I I'm I'm a full believer in this one. But I would just really, really like it if somebody could get a decent damn photograph of one. Uh but uh you know, again, I say that I say I wish somebody could get a decent photograph that I looked at and didn't go, okay, there's a there's a strong chance that this is actually fake.

SPEAKER_03 1:02:10

That's it. You even look at the moon landing and people tear it apart. You know, anything that people put out there, people like debunked, you know, immediately.

SPEAKER_01 1:02:21

There's a there's a lot of like, and obviously with disclosure coming up, uh and I say disclosure coming up because I really do think disclosure is going to be coming soon, because you you can't deny it anymore. And there's been governments that, or there are governments around the world, especially like the Brazilian government and the Mexican government and the French government, who have been very forthcoming since day one. They're they're not trying to cover up or hide anything. They're like, what the fuck is going on? Let's let's all take a look at this. Um, but it's only like the major world powers, so like Russia, um, who's also now started releasing information as well, um, the United States, obviously, and uh China. There's a lot of I think the Western world doesn't actually know about how much UFO activity there really is in China. Um and I think it's just because either the media censors it from leaving here or they kind of squash it here. Um but there's a lot of UFO reports in Asia and in China as well. Um and then obviously, you know, all over the world. I did, I did, I do, I am curious to find out like if the South African government has any I shouldn't laugh when I said that, um if the South African government has any department or has ever had any reports of UFOs. And we I we know that there have been like uh there's been like the the South African version of uh Area 51 and the Roswell crash, which happened at the Kalahari border close to Botswana. Um and they do say that the American government retrieved that UFO. And in exchange for in exchange, typical, but um, in exchange for the UFO, for the South African government swapping the the UFO with America, they gave America, uh they gave South Africa like um the ability, like the resources for creating nuclear power, um, which we have. Oh, that's awful. That's very nice.

SPEAKER_03 1:03:54

They should have given them the train track, the right train tracks for the train. That's what we should have offered.

SPEAKER_02 1:04:00

Geez, man. Jeez.

SPEAKER_03 1:04:01

Dear America.

SPEAKER_01 1:04:05

Um, but one of the like like I said, one of the things that I looked at very specifically was USOs because um this is like it's a relatively new phenomenon as far as like pop culture goes about UFOs and UAPs. Um, even though you know the reports have been around a while, I just think the general public don't really talk about them very much. If you're enjoying listening to our podcast, why don't you go ahead and subscribe or follow us? That way you'll get all the new episodes automatically downloaded to your device whenever we upload a new episode every week. And if you want to be extra awesome and help us to get our podcast to more listeners, because really it's the best way you can support your favorite podcasts, go ahead and leave us a rate and review of our podcast. It would really mean so much to us if you could take a few minutes to give us a rating and a comment on your podcast app. And that way, our podcast will find more listeners, and we would have you to thank. So, one of the USO things that I've looked at, and I've actually been tracking the story for a little while ever since it came out. I saw a documentary on YouTube or something like that, with a guy who's got this um like foundation or this group that it's called Hunter X, and they found this, and this is a little bit of a disappointing story, actually, because but again, it might just be a government kind of explaining away and covering things up. But there's this um dude who has this uh group uh called Hunter X, and they were scanning the Baltic Sea, and they found this object underneath in the Baltic Sea, this really, really massive circular object. And if you go and look at pictures of it online, um it is like you know, even to the untrained eye, somebody like me who doesn't really know very much about things like oceanography or geology or things like that, that it is most certainly not a natural shape. It is like this perfectly round shape that's sitting 300 feet below the Baltic Sea, and the the shape itself is like 200 feet wide. And I started following the story, I think like it must be. Around 2018, when they first did their documentary about it. So it's this object at the bottom of the Baltic Sea. It's an unnatural shape, and it seems to be like wedged into like the seabed. And one of the interesting features about it is it seems to have this like square frame on top, and then inside the square frame is a circular black hole, and it looks as though there are stairs going down into the circular black hole. So it looks a bit like you know, like a hatch or a portal. And obviously, you know, like the the first theories come about that maybe it's like a crashed, you know, like aeroplane or ship or something like that from World War II. But just based on its sheer size, there are no descriptions or plans for any like man-made, you know, seafaring warships or planes or anything that would match up with its description. So I followed this and I followed this, and they did a lot of studies, and eventually what they did is that they send divers down and the divers said that it is it looks like it's made out of something like molded concrete. So it looks like something that's stone, but it's in a very specific shape. It's molded. And they eventually did tests on it. And what their tests revealed is that it isn't an unidentified submerged object. Now there's this professor from the University of Sweden, I think it's the University of Stockholm, and he says that it's to do with glacial shifting, and because it's been there since the ice age, and because there's a lot of glaciers that move through the Baltic Sea, that they have rubbed against the floor bed and rock, and they've basically formed what is essentially a perfect circle that has a square on top and a fucking another circle in the middle. Now I don't again, it's one of those things that I just don't know very much about oceanography and glacial movements and things like that. But to me it seems very, very unlikely that a glacier's going to make a perfect circle when it's rubbing against a rock. It just seems like the the angles of it and the shape of it just looks far too like planned and and predetermined, if that makes sense. Like it's just it's far too perfect a circle. And how can a glacier make a perfect 90 degree square on top of a piece of rock that then has an another perfect circle on the inside of that square? How the fuck do they do that? So they're saying that this uh Baltic Sea phenomenon, this Baltic Sea anomaly has been discredited. Um and they also say that it's uh they they say because because they say it's a glacial phenomenon, they say that it's been there for about a hundred and forty thousand years. Um but I don't know.

SPEAKER_03 1:08:21

It it's But things very very rarely go from chaos to order. Exactly unless you're unless you're talking about the Big Bang Theory.

SPEAKER_01 1:08:29

But um even that, even that, it's it's in it's an atropy, right? It's slowing down, so that is still chaos in there.

SPEAKER_03 1:08:37

And and I think um it's Ocean X.

SPEAKER_01 1:08:40

Ocean X, yeah, sorry, Ocean X, thank you. Ocean X.

SPEAKER_03 1:08:43

Just to clarify.

SPEAKER_01 1:08:44

Yes, Ocean X.

SPEAKER_03 1:08:45

Um But I I agree with you. I think that that's I think it's uh again, it goes back to that miracle thing that we talked about in one of the episodes. Like it's a bigger it's more mysterious that that would have happened naturally than if it happened unnaturally. So it's still an anomaly, I guess.

SPEAKER_01 1:09:04

And it I mean you know, it it reminds me of I don't know if you've heard of the ones off the coast of Japan, that there's these huge megalithic structures off the coast of Japan, um, and they're underwater submerged. I mean, this is not necessarily an underwater submerged object, but it's a structure that's underwater, and it's very reminiscent of things like the Mayan temples or the Egyptian pyramids. They're not pyramid in shape, but they're again these very, very like perfect 90 degree angles. And nature just doesn't make things in those shapes, you know what I mean? And it's so for this thing to be so perfect. It's more random, yeah. And for this thing to be so very circle.

SPEAKER_03 1:09:37

Circle's harder to buy into than a square.

SPEAKER_01 1:09:40

I mean, you can't even draw a decent circle with a pen, you know what I mean? Like you need all sorts of like mathematical equipment to draw a decent circle.

SPEAKER_03 1:09:46

Right. They say no one can draw a perfect circle. Yeah, you can't, like by hand.

SPEAKER_01 1:09:50

So, you know, I've I'm still gonna keep following this one about the Baltic Sea because I'm not convinced that it's got anything to do with glacial movement. Um, but yeah, so the Baltic Sea mystery or the straight of the strange UFO object, it was unearthed by a group of subwater explorers in 2011. I only heard about it in 2018. Um, and it's it's at the the Gulf of Botnia in the Baltic Sea. So if anybody wants to go and have a bit of a look into that, um I'm I'm not and and give us your opinion. I'm just completely not convinced that it's got anything to do with glacial fuck all. And if it did have to do with glaciers, then why aren't we seeing a lot more of very similar things in other glacial places? Like wouldn't we be seeing a lot more of these natural kind of rounded circular formations?

SPEAKER_03 1:10:32

Well they have the pyramids, right? Underwater.

SPEAKER_01 1:10:34

They do that are a mystery. Yeah, they do. Where are those again?

SPEAKER_03 1:10:38

Uh well there's the one that the the Japan one.

SPEAKER_01 1:10:41

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:10:42

J Japan is the hot the hot topic of the UN I'm just this is why you do these words Yanaguni formations. I'm sure I put through that in 1986. Yes. Um Yeah, and then Oh, it was renamed the Ruins Point. I wish I'd started there. I can say that one. Why did I start at the beginning of the article? Um yeah, but it So there's that one. It mystifies scholars, it says submerged stone structures. Why wouldn't it mystify? So uh yeah, apparently they well, there have been several underwater pyramid sightings, right? 50 plus mystery pyramid underwater.

SPEAKER_01 1:11:29

Yeah. I know that the Japanese ones I've seen a couple of I know Dave um Graham Hancock has done a lot of exploration of that and he's gone diving around it and he's convinced that it comes from an ancient civilization, like prior to our civilizations. Yeah, the Atlantis kind of ice. Um but anyway, so the one of the most, I think, famous underwater submerged objects that is that has been in the media uh most recently is to do with, and again, this comes back to the uh the you poor guys and what you guys are doing to your military, I don't know. Because it's it's now it's the the US submarines and the guys who are in submarines that say that they've detected um and they have been detecting for a long time these objects that are underwater and they they move faster than anything that we've been able to create. And there's recently been a very high um like an uh uh like a high spike in people coming forward and talking about these things, and it's specifically again to do with Navy nuclear submarines. And I remember asking the guy from MUFON um I wanted his opinion on why he thinks that there's more sightings in places like America and China and Russia than anywhere else around the world. And his answer was because of nuclear power, and it's one of the reasons why these other races are coming to visit us because they're pretty much shit scared of what we're going to do and how we're going to fuck up because of our use of nuclear power or our abuse of nuclear power.

SPEAKER_03 1:12:44

And that's one of the reasons supposedly we see a lot of activity in Arizona, is because we have Raytheon and some of the military things here.

SPEAKER_01 1:12:51

Yeah. Um so like there's and in fact the guy from Blink 182, um, he did an interview. Um I I forget his name now, it'll come to me in a second. Um Tom DeLong. And Tom DeLong has started his own um thing called the Stars Academy, and he's all moving towards disclosure and and you know, talking about aliens and all those sorts of things as well. And he had an interview that he did with uh uh like a uh a guy who was stationed on a nuclear submarine. And the there's actually a very good quote here from from the the dude uh from the dude, that's very descriptive. The dude. The dude, Tom DeLong. Um, and one of the versions of the account that he he spoke about is um from this guy called Mark. And the quote goes that Mark, who runs a special effects company called FX Models that undertakes naval contracts, said that as a thank you for doing some work for them, the Navy asked him, Mark, to if he wanted to go for a ride in a submarine. So, I mean, who can say no to that? So he said yes. Right. And then he goes on to say, Once we got under, I was sitting at the sonar station and the sonar operator was sitting right next to me. Submarines are very loud, people think that they are quiet, and it's true that on the outside they are because the sound doesn't get out, but inside you hear fans, noise, it's a constant din of s on a sub. I was sitting there zoning out a little because I was seasick, and all of a sudden the sonar kid so that's a rude way to refer to sonar dude. Sonar dude, the sonar kid, this is the the quote from Mark. Um the sonar kid shouts out, fast mover, fast mover, and he's jolted awake and he's thinking, What is happening? Is it a torpedo? The executive officer comes out and the operator shows him the path of the object, and the officer says, How fast is that going? And the kid said, Several hundred knots. I started to lean forward and to listen, and the officer said, Can you confirm it? He goes on to another sonar machine and confirmed that it wasn't a machine anomaly, that it was real. And when the sonar guy says, What do I do with this? the officer in charge said, Log it and dog it. And log it and dog it is basically like, you know, make a record of it and then bury the record. And four years later, Mark said he was doing some more contract work for the Navy when he spoke to a senior naval figure about what he saw. And he said, Can I ask you to tell me about the fast mover program? And he said that uh the officer looked at him and said, Like, sorry, Mark, but I can't talk about that program. So he basically, you know, and it's one of those things where you kind of confirm it by your denial of it. So you say, like, I'm not allowed to talk about that, that means it uh means it actually exists. If it didn't exist, he'll be like, What the fuck are you talking about? But what he told me was that USOs are very, very common, and unidentified submerged objects are very common. Uh, we even have a program in place to classify and log and determine the speed of them, and it goes and it goes on into this vault. And then Mark made the claims at the Devil's Tower UFO rendezvous in Hewlett, Wyoming, where UFO enthusiasts from around America met um on the at the side of the close encounters of the third of the third kind rock to discuss alien f related findings.

SPEAKER_03 1:15:48

Well, I I do think there's a lot of cover-up happening for I mean, that's the thing. If why why the the fact that the presidents have to uh when they discuss it, they they are very um programmed on what they're allowed to say and what they're not allowed to say. And if it was just foolishness, like if you asked a president Badkost, he'd be like, Yeah, no, don't believe it or or do believe it or whatever. But that they're so guard in. And I was watching just last week, I was watching all these interviews with the different presidents, and uh they it's almost like uh they're they're reading their responses, they get very uncomfortable, even their body language changes the moment they talk about aliens.

SPEAKER_01 1:16:27

I again I I I just don't I don't see why there's such a I mean, I I know it's a big deal to say, okay, we're like as the world and all of its major governments are confirming that there are extraterrestrials out there and they have been visiting Earth. But really, what's the worst that's going to happen? Really, what do you think is the worst case scenario? That we all fly into a panic and I mean what's the worst that can happen?

SPEAKER_03 1:16:49

Well, I I have to say though, while I again would love to think that we're ready for it, you look at just what happened, and I hate to bring my own country into it, but America with the coronavirus this last year and just the utter chaos that happened just from asking people to wear masks. I mean, um I don't know. I don't know how people would react. I think I think there would be I mean, I think it would die down, but I think initially there would be some pretty mass panic and chaos and a lot of cults emerging out of nowhere, I'm sure.

SPEAKER_01 1:17:20

Yeah. Uh true that I didn't think. That's a disruption.

SPEAKER_03 1:17:23

I think if somebody can figure out how to really monetize it in a way that makes sense, at that moment, no different than pot, you know, the moment they could figure out how to put their hands in the in the pockets of everyone, then they're like, Yeah, okay, we're good with that. But my I feel like once they figure out the the money train of this, they'd be all right with it.

SPEAKER_01 1:17:41

You know, I think if a if any world leader, whether it be Trump or Biden or Putin or any you know major world leader came out into like the mass media and said, yes, we are confirming that extraterrestrials are real, they have been visiting Earth, we've known about them for a very long time. What happens after that? What is the very next fucking step? Like, are all the aliens gonna come out of hiding? Like, are we are we all gonna look up in the sky and all those cloaking devices get turned off? And it turns out we've been surrounded by them all the time, or is life gonna continue as normal and we're gonna be like, oh look, there goes one now. You know, like really what is the next thing that comes after disclosure? That's my question. Do people run out into the streets screaming?

SPEAKER_03 1:18:18

Like, you know, I just I keep uh envisioning Independence Day and sort of And then we all die. So they confirm it and they tell us all Yeah, it's a sort of sudden care. Well, right. I mean, the difference with Independence Day is there was the big alien mothership right above, and it was angry, it wasn't a it wasn't a benign thing, but but you're right. I think if they could say like this is the technology, because I I feel like technology has jumped so massively in the last 50 years, um, if if you could present it in a way that was this is the benefits of what we have received from our coordination, as opposed to like, yeah, everything that you know about religion politics is falling apart right now. Like it's I think it's how it would be presented that would change the reaction.

SPEAKER_01 1:19:04

I don't know, like it and it to me it raises the question like, you know, these these obviously very uh technologically advanced civilizations have been visiting Earth because they've they've been coming here and making the journey from their star system or through dimensions or wormholes, whatever it is they're doing.

SPEAKER_05 1:19:21

Dark matter.

SPEAKER_01 1:19:22

If they were if they were really malevolent and they did intend us to to destroy us, what are they waiting for? Would they have waited for disclosure? Do they want to be like, haha, jokes on you? You know what I mean? Like why would they not have done it by now? If they've been visiting us for so long and their intention was malevolent, it would have happened by now. So I think we can open it.

SPEAKER_03 1:19:40

Instead, instead the reports are that they shut down uh what nuclear warheads and that they they're trying to protect us all of the universe against ourselves because we we certainly make the wrong choice all the time.

SPEAKER_01 1:19:53

Time to make a new list, the thank you list. I'm going to write Dear Aliens.

unknown 1:19:58

Thank you.

SPEAKER_01 1:19:58

Everyone on Earth gets the I'm sorry, and the aliens get the gratitude list. Thank you.

SPEAKER_03 1:20:03

Thank you for not thank you for looking out for us for not destroying us. And then when our podcast reaches their air waves, they'll know at least two of us are being awesome.

SPEAKER_01 1:20:13

Dominate the rest of them, but those two, fucking awesome.

SPEAKER_03 1:20:16

I want to say thank you for 3D printers for microwaves, microwave ovens.

SPEAKER_04 1:20:21

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:20:23

Televisions, film, all the film equipment. Thank you for that. iPhones. Yeah. Thank you. Steve Jobs wants to send out a thank you from beyond. Um is that inappropriate? That was probably inappropriate. That's fine, that's fine.

SPEAKER_01 1:20:35

Dear Steve, thank you. Um, so one of the other one of the other ones I found for the USOs, and again, this is again, yeah, it's in America. This one is off the coast of Florida. And that they say that there might be an alien spaceship lying off the coast of Florida. And this comes from the website for the Tampa Bay Times. Um, so if you know Florida man is out there, he's making reports. Um and it uh the the article reads that in a close encounter of the submerged kind, a Discovery Channel treasure hunter said he found what could be a massive extraterrestrial structure at the bottom of the Atlantic Ocean off the Florida coast. Daryl McLoss, host of Discovery's treasure hunting show, Cooper's Treasure, was chasing the trail of an English shipwreck for an episode of his show when he when he made the find at 300 feet beneath the Bermuda Triangle. Um and 300 300 feet seems to be like the the sweet spot, the sweet spot. Sweet spot for UFOs. Um it goes on to quote that yeah I was trying to identify shipwreck material based on one of the anomaly readings on Gordon's charts when I noticed something that stuck out that shocked me. It was a formation unlike anything I've seen related to shipwreck material. It was too big for that. It was also something that was completely different from anything I've seen that was made by nature. And for two seasons, Mar uh Miklus, this uh dude, McLuss, yeah, uh, has used maps made by his friends, the late NASA astronaut Gordon Cooper. And that's okay, wait, gonna pause that. So the astronauts, they're all very much getting on board with the idea of disclosure and aliens as well. Uh there's a lot of like, and I mean Which is suspect.

SPEAKER_03 1:22:06

Why would they be on board? All the people that should know about aliens.

SPEAKER_01 1:22:10

But they they would be like there's the um uh shit, not Buzz Aldrin, the other one. What's his name? Um Mitchell, Mitchell Mitchell, the astronaut Mitchell. Quick, give it a goo.

SPEAKER_03 1:22:19

Maybe astronaut and sixth man on moon sixth man on the moon believed in alien intervention. Yes. Astronaut Edgar D. Mitchell.

SPEAKER_01 1:22:27

Edgar D. Mitchell. So he's one of the people who's been involved in disclosure, and he's been he's like said that there's like missing um audio information from the tapes that where they talk about the aliens that are on the moon at the same time as they are, and things that they've seen from like their various, you know, missions through in space. I'm like, if anybody's gonna have any credibility when it comes to talking about the fact that there are UFOs, it's gonna be a fucking astronaut because they've been hanging out in space. And if anybody's gonna have seen one, it's gonna be them.

SPEAKER_03 1:22:54

Well, he and he said military officials had hidden evidence of UFOs potentially alien spacecraft, and that they were particularly fond of hovering over white sands testing range. See, again, with the testing range in New Mexico.

SPEAKER_01 1:23:06

I've got to come to America. I've got to come and see the ship for myself. This is one of the biggest reasons I want to be there is to go and hang out where the UFOs are.

SPEAKER_03 1:23:12

Welcome to Phoenix, man. We have all kinds of stories. I told you. You have a couch with your name on it. A very comfortable couch, by the way. And an air mattress.

SPEAKER_01 1:23:25

Going back to what this dude says from the Tampa Bay.com Times article, for two seasons, two seasons, Mick Loss has used maps made by his friend, the late NASA astronaut Gordon Cooper, to hunt for shipwrecked treasure around the Caribbean Sea or the Caribbean. How do you say it? Caribbean or Caribbean?

SPEAKER_03 1:23:40

Caribbean, because it sounds more poetic.

SPEAKER_01 1:23:42

It does. It sounds much sexier, so I'll say it that way as well. The Caribbean Sea. In the 1960s, Cooper flew missions for the Mercury and Gemini space programs. He died in 2004, but Miklos said not before passing him an alleged treasure map. Miklos said Cooper was spying on potential Russian nuclear sites based on magnetic anomalies when he used the same anomalies to make his treasure map. Cooper was also a fervent believer in extraterrestrial life, claiming to have witnessed UFOs during his time in the Air Force. And again, you know, if it's a fucking astronaut, if astronauts who I think are probably the most credible when it comes to like, you know, obviously being able to talk about things that are floating around in outer space because seeing it with their own eyes. But these are dudes that, you know, like as far as like being intelligent humans, you've got to be pretty fucking smart to become an astronaut, you know. Like they're not just sending up like uh, you know, cousin Bob or whatever it is. Cousin Bob. Cousin Bob. Cousin Bob.

SPEAKER_03 1:24:40

Put him on your list. Sorry, cousin Bob.

SPEAKER_01 1:24:43

Dear cousin Bob, I'm sorry. Yeah, so that was the the one that's um off the coast of Florida at the moment, and they said there are identical formations in three different areas, and they don't look nature-made, they don't look man-made. They don't look man-made. Certainly nothing I've seen based on my experience. So that doesn't look anything like we've made, but it doesn't look like anything nature's made. And if it's not nature, and if it's not man, it's gotta be aliens. It has to be.

SPEAKER_03 1:25:07

I'll tell you, honestly, even if there aren't aliens or any of that happening in the ocean, to me, the ocean like when I was on the the yacht when I was in the Philippines last year, um, I remember looking down and just seeing some weird movement and everything, and it really got me thinking about the whole alien thing. And then I was thinking, it's all it's all alien to us. I mean, you look at an octopus, even the shape of an octopus's head is like how people have drawn aliens like when they're doing the grays and stuff. I mean, very similar. And and if we've only explored five percent of it, uh it's unidentified to us. I mean, regardless of where it came from, we don't know about it, so it's alien to us. So it's very, it's very unnerving regardless of what what's happening there.

SPEAKER_01 1:25:50

In in my research for this one as well, I did come across an article where there are scientists who are now starting to study and look into the idea that octopus actually might be an alien life form than they could.

SPEAKER_02 1:26:00

Really?

SPEAKER_01 1:26:00

I've always thought they're very intelligent as well. Like they're intelligent as far as like creatures on the earth go that aren't human, they're probably the next step in intelligence.

SPEAKER_03 1:26:10

Um, I could, you know, just I just saw one throwing dirt balls at fish.

SPEAKER_01 1:26:14

Clever. Super split.

SPEAKER_03 1:26:15

One of its eight eight little arms, and I was like, that's genius right there happening.

SPEAKER_01 1:26:20

Uh no, it really is.

SPEAKER_03 1:26:20

So there's there are very frustrated octopus.

SPEAKER_01 1:26:23

There are scientists now that are starting to look into the fact that it might have been like a life form that arrived on like a comet or something that like you know landed in the ocean many millennia ago. Poor thing to get stuck on Earth. Sucks to be you. Um but it obviously evolved from some sort of an amoeba or whatever into what it is now. Um but they're very, very well equipped for their environment. I mean, down to things like um, you know, being able to change their colours like the same way a chameleon does and change their physical shape and they're intelligent and they're the ink the ink and explosions. Ink explosions. Like, I mean, if we could if I could shoot ink out of my ass, I'd be doing it all the time.

SPEAKER_03 1:26:58

If I'm somebody You know, of everyone I know, I think you could do it.

SPEAKER_01 1:27:03

I I believe in us, and there's somebody said something I didn't like, I'd just be like, and ink.

SPEAKER_03 1:27:10

You know, I'm so glad we're friends. This is one more example of him. I'm so glad he's on my side. Do not piss him off.

SPEAKER_01 1:27:18

But they're also they're very like they they they show like cognitive ability, they're able to problem solve. I watched a very good YouTube video. Scientists are studying octopus a lot. Octopus, octopi. Um, but they're doing a lot of they're doing a lot of studies into octopus and and like their problem solving abilities. And the one of the videos that I watched is that they gave an octopus a fish, but the fish was inside a bottle, and the bottle cap was screwed on, and the bottle, like the neck of the bottle was too small for the octopus to be able to put its tentacle in to get the fish out. And of course, octopus is hungry, he wants to munch on the little fish. And it's like a 30 minute video of watching this octopus figure out how the fuck it's gonna get the fish out of the bottle. And it it goes through all sorts of like trial and error. It tries to turn the bottle upside down. It tries to get its like little tentacle up in there and kind of like coax the fish out. Yeah. And after 30 minutes of watching, I'm not going to spoil alert, but after 30 minutes of watching it, the octopus figures out how to get the fish out of the fucking bottle. And that is some indictment. I don't, I was looking at it going, like, I don't think I could get that fish out of that bottle. You know what I mean? Like, and then the octopus figured it out.

SPEAKER_03 1:28:20

Um I'm just wondering how you had 30 minutes to watch this.

SPEAKER_01 1:28:24

It's one of those things.

SPEAKER_02 1:28:25

This is the most impressive part of the story.

SPEAKER_01 1:28:27

It was one of those things where I was like, oh, this is going on for a little bit long, and then you kind of just find yourself staring at it, and then you're like, I just watched that whole thing. Um but one of the other I don't know why I know so many facts about octopus, octopi. Um maybe I should figure out what the plural form is before I say uh no facts. Um I believe it's I believe it's octopi. Um I think it is, actually. It depends on whether it's great.

SPEAKER_03 1:28:50

Like cactus, cacti.

SPEAKER_01 1:28:51

It depends, yeah, it depends on if it's a Greek origin or a Latin origin. Um I'm gonna say that it's octopi.

SPEAKER_03 1:28:56

That already sounded way better than anything I would have said.

SPEAKER_01 1:28:59

Greek would be octopuses, and if it was Latin in its entomology, it would be octopi.

SPEAKER_03 1:29:05

Huh.

SPEAKER_01 1:29:05

I'm I'm taking dramatic pause for effect for everybody to go like why. Octopi.

SPEAKER_03 1:29:09

Do octopi have two eyes? So octopi?

SPEAKER_01 1:29:11

Octopi. Um so I know a lot a lot of things.

SPEAKER_03 1:29:14

That's good because octopuses sound script.

SPEAKER_01 1:29:17

It does.

SPEAKER_03 1:29:17

Um it's back there with Uranus.

SPEAKER_01 1:29:20

Urani.

SPEAKER_03 1:29:21

Um Urani. Like, why couldn't they discredit that planet? Just saying. If you're gonna throw one out of the list, don't throw Pluto off.

SPEAKER_01 1:29:30

They they do they also describe octopi as having uh not eight, not eight arms or eight tentacles, but having two legs and six tentacles. Because if you look at videos of them, they actually walk on the ocean floor using their two strong, like their two tentacles. And if you watch videos of them, it's quite fucking amusing to watch. It's a little octopus like kind of running along the ocean. Scurrying along. Yeah, scurrying, scurrying its zoots. Zoots the same way you have a zoot. Octopi are zooting.

SPEAKER_03 1:29:55

You know though, now that I'm thinking about it, when I've seen video of of an octopus or octopi, I never see like like the little mama octopus with her little baby octopus like following a I mean, I always see them by themselves. Are they they're not herd animals, I guess.

SPEAKER_01 1:30:10

No, they're solitary. They're definitely solitary, but I don't know if they have like maternal instincts. That should definitely be Googled by someone out there. Octopi maternal.

SPEAKER_03 1:30:20

Yeah, well, I just I I don't I don't ever recall seeing a video with more than one of them in the video. Yeah, come to think of it as a fish, always, always a group school. School of fish.

SPEAKER_01 1:30:31

School of fish.

SPEAKER_03 1:30:33

Or fish eye, depending on if it's Latin or Greek.

SPEAKER_01 1:30:42

Someone with a fish eye.

SPEAKER_02 1:30:43

Yeah. Okay, so many fish eye.

SPEAKER_01 1:30:47

Um one of the other articles that I came across while I was doing the research for the underwater submerged object is from thesun.co.uk. So it's a British publication. And they say that reputable. I think just the fact that I paused there is answer enough.

SPEAKER_03 1:31:04

Um I didn't know if it was a tabloidy kind of form.

SPEAKER_01 1:31:08

They are a bit tabloid-y, they are a bit tabloid-y, but they do they do also cover like serious topics, so they've got like information about like Brex Brexit and politics and world news and UK news and and all those sorts of things. Um, but they're gen in general, their articles do kind of border on the tabloid-y.

SPEAKER_03 1:31:25

Um we'll give them a 70% on credibility.

SPEAKER_01 1:31:29

We uh I would sure, yeah. Maybe that would be a that would be fair. That would be fair. Um a lot of stuff about like the East Enders, but then they do put these articles out and they seem to be able to back out the articles with a lot of kind of like, you know, photographic evidence and stuff like that. Um so I'll give them credit where credit is due. But they say that Russian submarines and are in a secret battle with aliens deep under the oceans, according to these Kremlin documents. And they say that the Russian submarines have been fighting a secret war with alien craft deep under the oceans in a scene straight uh like it's out of Hollywood movies. Soviet subs are playing a game of cat and mouse with strange underwater craft, according to a new book called Russia's USO Secrets by the British investigator Philip Mantle. And it's based on Russian documents and accounts uh from military veterans. And he goes on to say that describing a bizarre incident in the Bermuda Triangle, so this is what brought brought it to the front of my mind, described describing a bizarre incident in the Bermuda Triangle in 2009, former nuclear submarine commander, so always the nuclears, nuclear submarine commander Yuri Bekatov said Oh God, here comes an embarrassing Russian accent. Okay. I'm so excited. We repeatedly we repeatedly observed that the instruments detected the movements of material objects at unimaginable speeds around 230 knots. It's hard to reach that speed on the surface, only in the air.

SPEAKER_03 1:32:55

Please. I want you to throw Natasha in there to make it really satisfying.

SPEAKER_01 1:33:01

Natasha, where's my vodka? Natasha. Dear Russia. Okay. Dear Russia.

SPEAKER_03 1:33:11

Dear Russia.

SPEAKER_01 1:33:14

I'm gonna go back and do that again. So there's Yuri Bekatov, um, who was a former nuclear submarine commander and um obviously had ties to the Kremlin, so I really shouldn't be making any fun of him.

SPEAKER_02 1:33:26

Right up there with Scientology. We're always trying to get us in trouble.

SPEAKER_01 1:33:31

As a lot of you might remember from season one in 2020, our big goal is to get onto the podcast magazine's top 50 hot podcasts, and we can't do that without the support from our listeners. So if you go down into the show notes below, you're going to see a link to the podcast magazine top 50 podcasts. All you gotta do is smash that link and open up the competition page where you can enter Xander and Stone Podcast, hosted by Xandra and Stone, and vote for us to get us onto the top 50 list. We would really, really appreciate it. It is a huge big goal for us, and we would love it if you could help us achieve that goal. So go and check out the link in the show notes below, and please vote for Xandra and Stone Podcast, hosted by Xandra and Stone, and then go ahead and pick your other two favorite podcasts. Describing a bizarre incident in the Bermuda Triangle in 2009, former nuclear submarine commander Yuri Bekatov said, We repeatedly observed that the instruments detected the movements of material objects at unimaginable speed around two hundred and thirty knots or four hundred kilometers an hour. It's hard to reach that speed on the surface, only in the air. The beings that created those material objects significantly dece exceed us in development. The book also contains accounts from Russian veterans about their close encounters, including hostile acts at the sea during the Cold War. They have described how UFOs would apparently appear in the sky before diving down beneath the waves. In one terrifying incident, a captain ordered depth charges to be dropped into the path of a USO, which changed direction and sped off. Lieutenant Commander Oleg Sokolov told students that while on duty he spotted a strange object through the periscope rising out of the water. How fucking old school is that? Through the periscope rising out of the water. Yeah, we've got to think like thank the UFOs and the aliens for giving us better fucking technology than periscopes popping out of the water. The book also reveals how another crew member watched as a cigar-shaped UFO shot three beams of light down into the Atlantic Ocean. The UFO was about 200 to 250 meters long and slowly descended into the ocean, making a strange hissing sound about half a mile from the submarine. But the object was not tracked on radar. Interesting stuff, right?

SPEAKER_03 1:35:49

That is interesting. I think it's interesting that they did always describe they often describe it as cigar-shaped, which is of course phallic-shaped. So then you have to wonder, are there any female aliens really?

SPEAKER_01 1:36:01

There must be, yeah. Maybe. Why do they always make things shaped like this? Maybe they everything shaped by the same thing.

SPEAKER_03 1:36:06

Why are they always phallic-shaped? That's bizarre.

SPEAKER_01 1:36:09

There was also that um that asteroid that passed close by earth, and there's currently a professor who's busy. Um like he's just released a press statement as well. It was just in the last couple of days or so. Um it was posted in the new uh in the New York Post Um that this asteroid that passed by close by Earth. Remember, we spoke about it a little while ago, it had like a near-Earth orbit. And it also very long and cigar-shaped, but um asteroids wouldn't naturally form to be in that kind of a shape. So they they do suggest that it might have been an alien ship in disguise or if it was like uh alien technology inside what looks like an asteroid, and they've used the obviously the shape makes it more aerodynamic, but they've used like um the materials of like the natural materials of space to protect it from things like solar radiation and stuff like that. Um and now there's a lot of scientific community saying that that actually it might have been what essentially is like um long distance, you know, like long distance craft that can cover a lot of uh it's not necessarily manned, um, but they think it might be like some sort of like an alien probe that covers long distances and sends communications back, or that it might just be alien civilization trash and like they've just like kind of shut their trash out, shut their trash out. Maybe it's like a cigar shoe. Maybe it's like a long poop, like a long alien.

SPEAKER_02 1:37:23

I don't want to run into that alien if that's what's happening. That's a little much. That's a little much.

SPEAKER_03 1:37:32

It's like the it's like trash bags that big.

SPEAKER_01 1:37:36

Do you know like how how aeroplanes sometimes drop like those frozen poop blocks by mistake over like, you know, neighborhoods and things like that? Like maybe that's the alien spacecraft. And if you think about it, if you think about it, if an alien spacecraft is traveling at thousands of, you know, whatever it is, fucking kilometers an hour through space, and they release something out into the cold vacuum of space, it would have kind of that trail effect, you know, like shoop, it would come out the back of the airplane and it would into the vacuum in colder space and it would freeze. So that could be a long trail of alien poop. That's exactly what that might be. It could be. Yeah, we're understanding. If we assume that they have the same system that we do and they eat and poop things, you know, one of the things that nobody ever talks about in abductions is talking about alien genitals because they never seem to be clothed, right? Like nobody's ever like, and they were wearing. Everyone's like they were grey beings with grey skin. No one's ever like had a huge dick. Like, you know what I mean? Like, although I think so.

SPEAKER_03 1:38:29

The little four foot ones, they said they had these tight shirts that were but at first they thought was skin, but it was actually clothing.

SPEAKER_01 1:38:38

Yeah, okay. So no one's ever seen alien junk.

SPEAKER_03 1:38:41

The Area 51 ones. I'm pretty sure that I read that.

SPEAKER_01 1:38:44

No one's ever seen aliens junk, that's the point. No one's ever seen an alien junk junk.

SPEAKER_03 1:38:47

No, that's why they make everything cigar shaped to make up for it. It's compensation.

SPEAKER_01 1:38:51

They're compensating because clearly no one's ever seen alien arseholes, no one's ever seen an alien ball sack. Show me an alien ball sack and I'll believe.

SPEAKER_02 1:39:01

Um probing everyone. They're sort of fascinating. What is this called? What is this?

SPEAKER_01 1:39:06

What is that?

SPEAKER_02 1:39:07

Why don't I have one of those? What is that? Stick something up this poker with a stick.

SPEAKER_01 1:39:15

Um, okay. Do you have anything more about aliens that you want to add? UFOs, USFOs?

SPEAKER_03 1:39:19

Now I'm just fascinated by them not wearing clothes. I'm gonna be obsessed with that for a while. And then when they become ghosts, what are they wearing?

SPEAKER_01 1:39:26

What are they wearing? Do they become ghosts? So that's that is one of the things that um they they do reckon about, or they're one of the theories that they've given about um alien abductions is that there's a fascination with the fact that we are sentient beings and that we have souls inside these bodies that leave these bodies and go on to other lifetimes. And they're uh fascinated by that, and that's one of the reasons that they've been testing us, is because they want to know why we have souls, and that kind of implies the fact that they don't have souls.

SPEAKER_03 1:39:57

That is interesting. Why wouldn't they have souls? I would just assume that they're they would have I I would have never it would have never occurred to me that they didn't have souls. But we were taught we were taught the angels also aren't like they don't have souls. I mean that they're different. Well, so angels are aliens and they're from another dimension, so I guess they would be UFOs as well if you're yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:40:24

So aliens are angels, they don't have junk or souls, but they do have it's all coming together now. But they do have microwaves and cell phones, clearly. So 3D printers. 3D printers, yeah. MRIs.

SPEAKER_03 1:40:39

Well, there I mean, there is uh at least but I told you that I've been binging all of these documentaries, and a lot of them say that a lot of our technology, and I've always suspected that there is just this massive jump in technology. Like it is kind of hard to put your finger on why all of a sudden, I mean, if you think even in my own lifetime watching how things have changed, I mean, we have cell phones glued to our hands, and you know, pay phones are gone, they're just gone. Nobody talks about it, they're just gone.

SPEAKER_01 1:41:10

And there's and there's uh like you said, it's a massive jump, and it just seems to like it just seems to be accelerating faster and faster. Like we go from I mean, uh in just in my lifetime alone as well, you know, there's as well.

SPEAKER_05 1:41:23

What does that mean, Xander?

SPEAKER_01 1:41:25

I heard it when I said it. I heard it when I said it, and I knew that's not what I meant. Um in our lifetimes, in our generation.

SPEAKER_02 1:41:33

Yeah, thank you for that. I should just We both just had a birthday, so let's just keep it at that.

SPEAKER_01 1:41:39

In our lifetime, in our generation. Um but in and I the the comparison is that you come from a more technologically advanced uh first world country than what I came from. Um you're from America where you were more likely to have a cell phone a lot earlier than what I would have received in South Africa type of thing.

SPEAKER_03 1:41:55

Um That's because your bullet train is a good thing. You couldn't just get them there.

SPEAKER_01 1:42:00

Um but we went from like we went from like a Nokia 3310 to like an iPhone, smartphone, interactive touch screens, and and you know, things like that. But like the leap between that kind of still even even now it seems like sort of like archaic technology or like the Nokia 3310 seems so backwards to what we've got now. There's like there's very little like uh what's the word I'm looking for? Like progressive technology in between or like progressing technology where it went from like no transition, transitional technology. Yeah, transitional technology, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:42:33

Very well, and and the jumps happen so quickly that no one really talks about it because before you can even investigate that one, there's the next thing. Yeah, I mean, like the my workout now consists of me having virtual reality glasses and doing I that is my workout every day. Yeah, and just the idea that even two years ago, it wasn't it. I I had I had Oculus go and I was I there were so many issues with it, in my opinion. And then now I have the Oculus 2, which is so much more advanced, like in every way, you you don't have time to even catch up to the next technology before the next thing comes out. It's just mind-boggling.

SPEAKER_01 1:43:10

And of course, the theory is that they're the the the advancement of technology is way far already, already way far beyond what they've released to us because obviously they're going to release it in increments so that they can maximize on the profits of it. So the next cabbage patch dolls. Yeah, the next best thing, the next best thing that you're going to receive in the market isn't even the most advanced thing that our you know technology knows about at this stage. Um, but like you said, the big the the biggest leap seems to come from where we didn't have any of these technologies to suddenly having things like microwave ovens and indoor refrigeration, and you know, like what is it, like a hundred years ago, your ice box was literally a box of ice, and you had to get out there with a chisel and you had to like hang out. You're like, you had to go and chisel out tonight's dinner. Um, whereas now you just go to the kitchen and you open up a thing, and it's perfectly air-conditioned, controlled temperatures, and it's it's mind-boggling stuff.

SPEAKER_03 1:44:01

It really I I moved into a house not so long ago, and there was a um a big box on the wall that had this open door, and I I couldn't figure out what it was for. So I finally asked the owner of the house. I was like, I didn't get this box thing. Apparently, it's where the milkman would put the milk. Um so I mean, you think about the jump from that. Yeah. Now I wait before I leave work, I I put in my order on my cell phone to Amazon, and when I come home, my groceries are on my door versus this little milk box where milk was delivered. Like even that leap is like fascinating. You know, this this little milk truck coming by putting this thing in your box. Like, and that was an advancement to have this milk delivery. That was a fancy house to have a milk delivery.

SPEAKER_01 1:44:50

And then, you know, and then you look at things like I mean, we went from figuring out like uh steam-powered engines and like developing cars and trains and then later on aeroplanes, not that they were ever steam-powered. And now we're dealing with things like driverless technology, where there's like you know, there are cities in China and Shenzhen where there is driverless technology, and you don't actually have to do anything, you just get in the car and it takes you there. Um crazy fucking stuff. And drones. And drones, motherfucking drones, drones, motherfucking drones spying on a strong phone.

SPEAKER_03 1:45:17

Invading our privacy on a regular basis. Google Earth, the whole list. I mean, that's the that's the other problem with no transitions, is we don't even have time to object before it's just part of our lives and we've we've accepted it. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:45:30

Scary stuff.

SPEAKER_03 1:45:31

So so maybe put that on the apology letter and the thank you letter.

SPEAKER_01 1:45:34

Yeah, I'll do that. That's a two-one. Who am I addressing that letter to? Dear technology. Give us some minutes.

SPEAKER_03 1:45:42

So as as far as the the underwater alien community, why do you think it's talked about so much less than the UFO phenomenon?

SPEAKER_01 1:45:53

Because uh I really think that the UFO thing, and again, this comes back to the definition of UFO and UF and why we're using these different acronyms, I think acronyms. Uh I think it's UFO and ET has become so much part of pop culture. Steven again. Steve fucking Steven, dear Steven. Um he's gonna get an apology letter, then a fuck you letter, then another one. As well. Um but I think it's become so far, like it's become such an uh an integrated part of popular culture. Um, you know, in in things like movies and books and sci-fi and all of these different things, that it's almost to the point of discrediting itself, if that if that makes sense. Like it became too campy and over the top and way too campy, and uh you know that might be by design, that might be intentional. They might be like, okay, flood the fucking market.

SPEAKER_03 1:46:42

Um or some yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:46:43

Um what are they?

SPEAKER_03 1:46:44

I did know that the girl from Twilight, Kristen Stewart, she was just and I haven't seen it, and in 19 in it said that I I think it's out already, but it's uh the underwater version of Aliens. Oh, okay. Did you see that? So there is a movie, so that maybe that'll change. Maybe they'll flood us with those. Maybe that's the next push.

SPEAKER_01 1:47:02

Maybe that is the next thing, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:47:04

I mean, because I was I was interested to see there was actually a movie. I mean, there was the abyss. I remember that really haunting me for a long time after I watched The Abyss. But um, but really, aside from that in the new movie, I don't know of many underwater. So you're right. I mean, Hollywood has been more heavy-handed on the other sidings.

SPEAKER_01 1:47:21

And I think um also possibly it's maybe if if you come down to thinking about being visited from outer space, it's a lot more comfortable to think that they're coming from out there too here. It's very so much more comfortable. Still, it's it's very uncomfortable to think that they've been here and they've got bases here, and those bases are under the water in our oceans. They've been living here for a long time. Um eating our fish, eating our eating our fish, drinking our polluted water, adding our calamari, you know.

SPEAKER_03 1:47:47

Eating our sushi. Why there's a sushi shortage right now.

SPEAKER_01 1:47:56

I don't know. Like it's uh I don't know why I I think it's just not something, maybe a concept that's been made as popular, or that it's just the next kind of progression in popular culture putting a spotlight on these things as we've gone from visitors from outer space that are coming and like you know, coming and going, coming and going, to visitors from outer space and they've been here a while, overstayed their welcome.

SPEAKER_03 1:48:19

Well, let's say, let's say somebody knocks on your door like you want them to, yeah. And they say, Xander, we can take you into a rocket ship onto another planet and and you can visit there, or we can take you into this uh bullet trained version of a submarine and take you into an Atlantis-like which one would you get on?

SPEAKER_01 1:48:40

Hmm. I think I'd still go to another planet. I think I'd enjoy that. I'd enjoy that. I think I'd enjoy that a lot.

SPEAKER_03 1:48:48

I think it'd be less scary. I don't know why it'd be less scary, but to me it'd be less scary.

SPEAKER_01 1:48:52

I mean, you do it I'm not if if they were like, do you want to come with us? Like you can either stay here at home and sit in your beanbag, or you can come with us to an underwater ground base. I'd be like, cool, I'm coming to the underwater ground.

SPEAKER_03 1:49:01

Yeah, well, that wasn't the option. Underwater ground? What is that?

SPEAKER_01 1:49:04

What is that, Sando? Underwater ground? Underwater ground. Underground water. Octopi. It can't be underground water base. That's that's also wrong. Underground water. No, that's not right.

SPEAKER_03 1:49:14

Um now if Aquaman legitimately, yeah, as portrayed in the movies, lived there, I may take that little boat. I may take that boat, right? If Jason Momoa's there, I might I might jump on that little ship, but otherwise.

SPEAKER_01 1:49:28

One of the things, one of the things that actually just occurred to me as well is that we see uh UFOs over land because that is the space that we inhabit. But for all we know, they're and you know, again, this comes back to us not really understanding our oceans and the deepest part of our oceans and the Mariana Trench and all those things. Those bases might have been out there for as long as we've been on the planet, but we only see them because they're over the land where we inhabit. So they've never been coming from outer space at all. They've been here the whole fucking time. They've been here the whole fucking time. You cracked the code again. They've been here the whole fucking time. And it's a de it's a decoy so they'll be like okay this we'll we'll come in from that side and if we come over that ridge though they'll never see us come out of the water so they might have been living in our oceans the entire time and we just weren't and it could tie into the hollow earth theory. It could yeah it could.

SPEAKER_03 1:50:13

You know that those oceans are connected to the hollow earth.

SPEAKER_01 1:50:16

Wouldn't the hollow earth be full of water then?

SPEAKER_03 1:50:18

Because if it's hollow it would fill up no because the mountain rage that's in hollow earth it's just a big waterfall.

SPEAKER_01 1:50:25

A big waterfall and then sure yeah that just goes out the other side.

SPEAKER_03 1:50:29

I'm positive that that's exactly what happened yeah that is definitely what happened I I feel like I'm an authority on this one.

SPEAKER_01 1:50:35

I think I feel like you cracked that one.

SPEAKER_03 1:50:36

I think you should write a book I might I might I think I'm pretty highly qualified since I just had that song highly qualified. You heard it here first boys and girls so do you want to do any shout outs to any listeners today I would like to do a shout out to new listeners Reagan and Owen in Alabama.

SPEAKER_01 1:50:57

Hi Reagan and Owen in Alabama and Owen in Alabama I'm sorry? We like Reagan and Owen in Alabama we do we do we like any of our fans we also like saying Reagan and Owen in Alabama because it kind of trips off the tongue Reagan and Owen Alabama I feel like it's just I feel like it's the start it sounds like the start of a country song Reagan and Owen in Alabama.

SPEAKER_03 1:51:18

Reagan and own in Alabama Alabama is country so it makes sense in Alabama Alabama we you know you probably don't know this but here we play this car game when you go on long car rides so that siblings don't kill each other called we're going to Alabama with and you go through the alphabet are you aware of that? No let's play it let's play it right now okay so it's with the letters of the alphabet so it's like I'm going to take with me an apple and then you have to say I'm going to Alabama I'm gonna take an apple and a banana oh you're gonna kind of like run it out of banana cactus.

SPEAKER_01 1:51:56

I think we're gonna be here for a whole game we'll be we'll be here for a long time if we actually do that now so maybe we shouldn't do it right now.

SPEAKER_03 1:52:01

But at least you know the rules of it so that when you hit American soil and you're on that long car ride from the airport you're like let's play that Alabama game Alabama game. Okay I'm going to Alabama you're all caught up now I'm going to Alabama I'm gonna take an apple and a banana and a cactus yeah do with the accent or it doesn't count.

SPEAKER_01 1:52:22

Anyone else so Regan and Alabama what's up shout out to them owning Reagan Alabama. Hello nailed it nailed it and I'm gonna give a shout out to Brandon from the ParaUnity podcast because we did the uh little guest spot on his podcast and obviously everybody needs to go and listen to that because we were funny as fuck and it was all about black eyed kids and bloody white which is a logical connection so go and check out the ParaUnity podcast as well and a little shout out to Brandon there. And of course a shout out to our numerouno Instagram of fano um who is dear Lexi Dear Lexi I'm so sorry. But our fan on Instagram who is Lexi who shows us a lot of love and support on Instagram and we are very very grateful for that and um we're probably gonna hook up Lexi with a little bit of merch. I think we've got to hook Lexi up with a bit lovely Lexi. Lovely luscious lickable Lexi dear Lexi I'm so sorry.

SPEAKER_03 1:53:21

And I'll be awaiting the lawsuit it's all L's today I lick my phone every single time she posts I would really like to be considered separate from Xander during the lawsuit phase of this podcast sorry Maxi How do we usually sign off our podcasts?

SPEAKER_01 1:53:48

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