SPEAKER_00: Uh well, if you have your Bibles, go ahead and grab them.
SPEAKER_00: Um, we are in the book of Jude this morning, as Sam read for us.
SPEAKER_00: Jude is the tiny little book right at the end of your Bibles, just before Revelation.
SPEAKER_00: And throughout the month of July, we've been studying our way through this book.
SPEAKER_00: We've seen that it's weird, it's challenging, it's often convicting.
SPEAKER_00: And this morning we're going to close this book together.
SPEAKER_00: Before I transitioned recently into the role as young adults pastor, I served here for six years as the student pastor.
SPEAKER_00: And this was an amazing experience for me.
SPEAKER_00: I got to see students come alive to the love of Jesus.
SPEAKER_00: I got to see them explore the scriptures, wrestle with their doubts and questions.
SPEAKER_00: I saw a lot of students find freedom from pornography and eating disorders.
SPEAKER_00: It was a really amazing time, but it wasn't always pretty.
SPEAKER_00: There was a lot of suffering that our students walked through.
SPEAKER_00: There were a lot of tears in my six years in student ministry.
SPEAKER_00: But as I came to learn is that if you're in student ministry for any amount of time, you're going to see students who used to follow Jesus go to college and no longer identify as Christians.
SPEAKER_00: If you're here, if you're a parent in here or you've been around the church for a while, you know this feeling well, right?
SPEAKER_00: You've seen people in previous stages of life follow Jesus closely.
SPEAKER_00: You've prayed with them, maybe you've been in small groups with them, and now you've seen them drift away into unbelief.
SPEAKER_00: The reasons for this are almost infinite, right?
SPEAKER_00: For many of my former students, they lost touch with their childhood faith when they got to college and had a philosophy professor just deconstruct everything they thought to be true of their faith.
SPEAKER_00: Or maybe they got to college and experienced new temptations that they had never experienced before, and then all of a sudden, six to eight months have gone by and they haven't stepped foot in a church and no longer find it to be relatable.
SPEAKER_00: Pastor Jerome Gay at Vision Church in North Carolina, he lists seven main reasons why people deconstruct, and they all start with S because he's a good pastor.
SPEAKER_00: And each one of these honestly is a sermon in and of themselves.
SPEAKER_00: So number one, Satan, right?
SPEAKER_00: How much power does he have?
SPEAKER_00: Or two, suffering.
SPEAKER_00: I would love to for y'all to see if any of these relate to you.
SPEAKER_00: Why does God allow it?
SPEAKER_00: And how could a loving God send people to hell?
SPEAKER_00: Slavery.
SPEAKER_00: Does God side with the oppressor?
SPEAKER_00: Okay, sexuality, number four, does God hate LGBTQ people?
SPEAKER_00: Five, sexism.
SPEAKER_00: Does God dislike women?
SPEAKER_00: Is Paul a misogynist?
SPEAKER_00: Six, spiritual abuse.
SPEAKER_00: Why do we keep platforming tyrannical leaders?
SPEAKER_00: And seven, syncretism, which essentially is getting at why is there only one way to God?
SPEAKER_00: And I just want to say these are all incredibly valid questions.
SPEAKER_00: And beloved, these are questions we are going to increasingly see young people especially ask.
SPEAKER_00: These are the questions your teenagers are hearing on Instagram and TikTok.
SPEAKER_00: These are the questions professors and universities are asking.
SPEAKER_00: And Jude is so compassionate.
SPEAKER_00: Have mercy on those who doubt.
SPEAKER_00: So look at this.
SPEAKER_00: Number one, acknowledge.
SPEAKER_00: First step, recognize the questions, doubts, and pain that are present.
SPEAKER_00: So often this step begins because the person has gone through suffering.
unknown: Right?
SPEAKER_00: Maybe a family member died, maybe a relationship ended, a deep spiritual friendship ended up with a lot of pain, cancer.
SPEAKER_00: The list goes on.
SPEAKER_00: So the person begins here honestly asking questions about the faith that no longer is working in some ways, right?
SPEAKER_00: And the question will probably fall into one of those seven categories we talked about, right?
SPEAKER_00: How could God have allowed this to happen?
SPEAKER_00: I know that family member who died wasn't a Christian, so is hell really a thing?
SPEAKER_00: How could the reality of hell coexist with a God who is love?
SPEAKER_00: There's space to hold, it's good to hold space for these questions.
SPEAKER_00: So that's number one, acknowledge.
SPEAKER_00: Number two, it goes a little deeper, assess, right?
SPEAKER_00: Examine the validity of the doubts and determine if other worldviews are more helpful.
SPEAKER_00: I just want to say every Christian who is thinking deeply about their faith has gone through number one and likely into number two.
SPEAKER_00: So I just want to say thinking deeply about your faith is a good thing.
SPEAKER_00: But step two is when it moves from good, thoughtful wrestling into the dangerous place of unbelief.
SPEAKER_00: And that's number three.
SPEAKER_00: After assessing the issues, begin to adopt the new beliefs as their own.
SPEAKER_00: Where the person will begin to take things from all the religions and worldviews that they like and reject the ones they don't, right?
SPEAKER_00: So, okay, I like that the God of Christianity is love.
SPEAKER_00: So I'm gonna take that but and put it in my smoothie, but I don't like that he's holy and that he's Lord, so I'm gonna keep that over there.
SPEAKER_00: I'm gonna apply his loving kindness into my life, but his judgment I'm gonna I'm gonna keep at a distance.
SPEAKER_00: Right?
SPEAKER_00: Oh, I like I like the grace of Jesus, but I don't really love that he makes exclusive claims about himself.
SPEAKER_00: And then the list goes on.
SPEAKER_00: Then the person will go to step four, apply.
SPEAKER_00: Right?
SPEAKER_00: These new beliefs that have been acknowledged, assessed, adopted, are then lived out in practice and began shaping the person's identity.
SPEAKER_00: Thomas Jefferson is a perfect example of this, founding father.
SPEAKER_00: He took the four Gospels, Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John, and he literally cut out with scissors the things he didn't like.
SPEAKER_00: And he left with a published work called The Life and Teachings, or The Life and Morals of Jesus of Nazareth.
SPEAKER_00: You can go read it.
SPEAKER_00: He cut out everything that included the miracles, Jesus' divine claims about himself, the resurrection.
SPEAKER_00: Right?
SPEAKER_00: He wanted Jesus as a good moral example, but not Lord.
SPEAKER_00: Maybe you're here this morning and you find yourself somewhere on that spectrum.
SPEAKER_00: I'm glad you're here.
SPEAKER_00: There is space for you to wrestle.
SPEAKER_00: After my dad's sudden death in 2021, I've spent the last five years in seminary struggling, wrestling, asking questions, moving from step one to ebbing and flowing.
SPEAKER_00: Doubt is a scary place to be, isn't it?
SPEAKER_00: There is no one in the universe more compassionate and welcoming than Jesus Christ to those who doubt.
SPEAKER_00: So bring your doubts to Him.
SPEAKER_00: Now, it's easy in the world we're living in as we see culture moving to get overwhelmed, scared, and discouraged.
SPEAKER_00: Well, I love how Carl Truman in his book The Rise and Triumph of the Modern Self encourages us.
SPEAKER_00: He says this every age has had its darkness and dangers.
SPEAKER_00: The task of the Christian is not to whine about the moment in which he or she lives, but to understand its problems and respond appropriately to them.
SPEAKER_00: So the place Jude is bringing us this morning, the question I want to ask today and think through is what is the role of the church to those who wander?
SPEAKER_00: What is the role of the church to those who wander?
SPEAKER_00: So here in these verses, Jude 22 and 23, Jude addresses the church.
SPEAKER_00: And he tells the church how to love or how to show mercy to three groups of people.
SPEAKER_00: Look at the verses again.
SPEAKER_00: Jude writes, And have mercy on those who doubt.
SPEAKER_00: Save others by snatching them out of the fire.
SPEAKER_00: To others, show mercy with fear, hating even the garment stained by the flesh.
SPEAKER_00: My wife Grace is a clinical mental health therapist, which often means that our marriage is the start of a bad joke, which is a pastor and a therapist walk into a bar and then you see what happens.
SPEAKER_00: But it's amazing to see and learn from her about mental health as it relates to spirituality and spiritual formation.
SPEAKER_00: And one of the most fascinating things I've learned from her is that people can be experiencing very similar negative patterns in their life, but different diagnoses result in different forms of treatment.
SPEAKER_00: So for example, somebody can walk into Grace's office with severe anxiety.
SPEAKER_00: And then another person can walk into her office also with severe anxiety.
SPEAKER_00: But Grace discovers that one of them is suffering simply from anxiety and the other one is suffering from OCD.
SPEAKER_00: So what Grace has learned is that treatment that can help somebody with anxiety can actually reinforce compulsions for somebody with OCD.
SPEAKER_00: And so she has to develop very specific treatment plans and care for each person.
SPEAKER_00: And this is what Jude is getting towards, right?
SPEAKER_00: People are complex, their stories are complex, their reasons for wandering and leaving the church and asking questions are complex.
SPEAKER_00: So the spiritual care we give to people cannot be simplistic.
SPEAKER_00: So let's look at each case study, right?
SPEAKER_00: First, have mercy on those who doubt.
SPEAKER_00: Perhaps in the four A's, perhaps this person is somewhere between one and two, right?
SPEAKER_00: They've honestly recognized the doubts they have, they're assessing them.
SPEAKER_00: And think about Jude's context here.
SPEAKER_00: Jude's whole purpose for writing this letter is for the church across all time to contend for the faith.
SPEAKER_00: And he explains why.
SPEAKER_00: False teachers have crept in and are leading people astray, so it's no wonder people are doubting, right?
SPEAKER_00: They've been hearing the gospel their whole whole lives, and then these authoritative teacher figures are coming in and saying, hey, maybe Jesus isn't who he said he was, right?
SPEAKER_00: Hey, maybe the Bible isn't actually something that can be trusted and has been corrupted over time.
SPEAKER_00: Maybe God isn't actually good.
SPEAKER_00: And all of a sudden, right?
SPEAKER_00: This this really old, weird, ancient book feels pretty poignant, doesn't it?
SPEAKER_00: The reality is that doubt is actually part of our faith journey with Jesus, right?
SPEAKER_00: The Bible is tremendously complicated.
SPEAKER_00: The claims of Jesus sometimes can be hard to grasp, and so Jude commands the church, have mercy on those who doubt.
SPEAKER_00: Well, what does it mean to have mercy?
SPEAKER_00: What is mercy?
SPEAKER_00: Well, the idea behind this word in Jude's mind is active compassion.
SPEAKER_00: Active compassion.
SPEAKER_00: Jude has mentioned the theme of mercy twice before this verse.
SPEAKER_00: Verse 2 and verse 21.
SPEAKER_00: Look at this.
SPEAKER_00: May mercy, peace, and love be yours in abundance.
SPEAKER_00: And I actually liked how the NIV translated it better.
SPEAKER_00: And then verse 21, waiting for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ that leads to eternal life.
SPEAKER_00: So the prayer of Jude at the beginning is to have mercy in abundance, and then he gives us instructions to wait for that mercy.
SPEAKER_00: So, how does this shape our command to have mercy?
SPEAKER_00: Well, in order to properly extend mercy, we need to both be one, full of it, and two, patient in it.
SPEAKER_00: Otherwise, we'll be tempted to be anxious around people with questions, right?
SPEAKER_00: We'll be threatened by their questions instead of warm and compassionate to them.
SPEAKER_00: I mean, put yourself in the doubter's shoes.
SPEAKER_00: How fragile, disorienting, and unsteady must it feel to be overcome with doubt.
SPEAKER_00: The last thing someone struggling with deep spiritual doubts needs is to be shamed or condemned for wrestling.
SPEAKER_00: There ought to be nowhere in the world safer than the church for those who doubt.
SPEAKER_00: The last thing we need to do is to let the church become a place where doubters, skeptics, and those who are deconstructing are no longer welcome.
SPEAKER_00: It's the last thing we need to let happen.
SPEAKER_00: So imagine you're in a small group, right?
SPEAKER_00: One night someone in the group is clearly troubled, maybe they're quieter than normal, you can just tell on their face that something's bother them.
SPEAKER_00: And so they begin to open up and they say, Hey, I I've been really struggling with Christianity lately.
SPEAKER_00: You say, okay, how so?
SPEAKER_00: They say, I don't know.
SPEAKER_00: I mean, look at the Christians in the world, right?
SPEAKER_00: Look at the church.
SPEAKER_00: And sometimes I just don't know what to do with it.
SPEAKER_00: I mean, look at the way Christians have treated certain groups of people throughout history.
SPEAKER_00: Look at the number of pastors who have been exposed in abuse scandals.
SPEAKER_00: Look at the hypocrisy.
SPEAKER_00: I don't know what to do with this.
SPEAKER_00: Now, what do you do in that moment?
SPEAKER_00: It would be very easy to respond anxiously, wouldn't it?
SPEAKER_00: You might immediately feel like you need to defend Christianity.
SPEAKER_00: You might even explain that, hey, not every Christian is like that.
SPEAKER_00: You might begin listing all the reasons Christianity is true.
SPEAKER_00: But Jude 22 reminds us that there is also a time to have mercy on those who doubt.
SPEAKER_00: So perhaps instead of immediately arguing, maybe you say, hey, thanks for saying that.
SPEAKER_00: Thanks for opening up about that.
SPEAKER_00: I I can understand why those things trouble you.
SPEAKER_00: Because they trouble me too, right?
SPEAKER_00: The abuse and the hypocrisy you've seen are not okay.
SPEAKER_00: Christians should not pretend like it is.
SPEAKER_00: Tell me more about what's been hardest for you, and you listen.
SPEAKER_00: You don't treat your friends' questions as a threat to your faith, right?
SPEAKER_00: You don't shame them for asking.
SPEAKER_00: You don't assume that because they're doubting, that they're all of a sudden an enemy.
SPEAKER_00: You remember in that moment that this is a person who is hurting.
SPEAKER_00: And so you move toward them with mercy as Christ has moved toward you with mercy.
SPEAKER_00: Now, mercy does not mean that you affirm every conclusion that they reached.
SPEAKER_00: It does not mean you say, you're right, Christianity must be false.
SPEAKER_00: And it does not mean you never answer their questions.
SPEAKER_00: It means you love them enough to listen before you object.
SPEAKER_00: You care more about the person than you do about arguing for your faith.
SPEAKER_00: And perhaps over time you get to help them see that the hypocrisy of Christians does not disprove the holiness of Christ, that the failings of pastors does not mean the failings of Jesus.
SPEAKER_00: But you probably won't get to that conversation if your first response is to be defensive, right?
SPEAKER_00: Jude says, Have mercy on those who doubt.
SPEAKER_00: Sometimes the most loving thing we can do for someone doubting is to not give them an immediate answer.
SPEAKER_00: Almost all the time in the Gospels, when Jesus gets a question, he responds with a question instead of answering.
SPEAKER_00: So the next case is to save others by snatching them out of the fire.
SPEAKER_00: This is probably a person who's gone past stages one and two, is into steps three or four.
SPEAKER_00: Maybe this person is beginning to reject the essential claims about Jesus in the Bible.
SPEAKER_00: And Jude's words here are sharp, aren't they?
SPEAKER_00: Snatch them out of the fire.
SPEAKER_00: So the first question we need to ask is what does Jude mean by fire here?
SPEAKER_00: Jude discussed fire one other time in this letter back in verse 7.
SPEAKER_00: He's talking about these Old Testament examples, Sodom, Gomorrah, and he says to serve as example by undergoing a punishment of eternal fire.
SPEAKER_00: Grace and I live just down the road from Michangelos, like I said, and we have a little bulldog named Wally.
SPEAKER_00: I think we have a picture of him.
SPEAKER_00: There's Wally.
SPEAKER_00: So our home uh that we live in is in a unique place.
SPEAKER_00: It's right off of Church Street, where people typically do about 65 and a 35.
SPEAKER_00: Uh it's right near the hospital, so often people are flying down the road in genuinely urgent situations, and it's right by the worst four-way stop in Marietta.
SPEAKER_00: So whenever Wally goes outside, I'm very conscious that people are flying down our street.
SPEAKER_00: Our yard is guarded by a little white picket fence, and about 99% of the time, Grace and I are really good about closing the gates.
SPEAKER_00: One time, however, the gate in our backyard somehow got open.
SPEAKER_00: And so Wally Wally got out.
SPEAKER_00: I was gone, but Grace was terrified to go get that little guy.
SPEAKER_00: And one of Wally's favorite tricks, if you have dogs, maybe you can relate, is when you go after him, he runs away.
SPEAKER_00: It's a great trick.
SPEAKER_00: And so Grace was horrified that he's gonna dart the wrong way.
SPEAKER_00: That he's gonna not dart away from the road, but he's gonna dart into the road.
SPEAKER_00: And so Grace in that moment was terrified to go get that little guy out of the road.
SPEAKER_00: In that moment, Grace was not casually going to get him, right?
SPEAKER_00: And if you're a parent of a young kid, you know this feeling.
SPEAKER_00: When that little guy is running towards danger, you go get him, right?
SPEAKER_00: What Jude is getting at here is this the greater the danger, the more urgent the rescue.
SPEAKER_00: Jude here, right, the brother of Jesus, is recognizing something.
SPEAKER_00: As much as we don't like to think about it, as much as we try to cognitively avoid it, God is holy and is a judge, and judgment is coming.
SPEAKER_00: But Jude is encouraging us here as well.
SPEAKER_00: Take the holiness and judgment of God seriously.
SPEAKER_00: But by grace, there is still time to avoid it.
SPEAKER_00: And I want to pause.
SPEAKER_00: I'll be very honest.
SPEAKER_00: I hate that hell is real.
SPEAKER_00: I hate it.
SPEAKER_00: Charles Spurgeon once said that preachers ought to preach about hell with tears in their eyes.
SPEAKER_00: When Jesus calls us to follow him, he doesn't tell us we have to like everything he said.
SPEAKER_00: Right?
SPEAKER_00: He just calls us to deny ourselves and follow him.
SPEAKER_00: So this morning, and you're here, if you hear the idea of hell and it rubs you wrong and you don't like it, that's okay.
SPEAKER_00: I feel that.
SPEAKER_00: But I will give us caution.
SPEAKER_00: I want to cite Pastor Jerome again.
SPEAKER_00: He says this Am I adapting the scriptures to me, or am I adapting to the scriptures?
SPEAKER_00: There is space to wrestle with the parts of the Bible that bristle against us.
SPEAKER_00: But we need to caution against forming our spirituality in a way in which we are making God in our image, rather than letting the scriptures press upon us and form us more deeply into his image.
SPEAKER_00: So the question that gets us to is hey, how do we have the maturity, the wisdom, the discernment, the patience to do any of this?
SPEAKER_00: How do we discern if our friend is in the first A or is in the playing with fire stage, right?
SPEAKER_00: How do we know if we're being too soft about sin?
SPEAKER_00: How do we know if we need to invite another friend into the situation or tell a pastor, how do we, how do I love a person while also hating sin?
SPEAKER_00: Or even the garment stained by it?
SPEAKER_00: Look back at verse 20 here.
SPEAKER_00: But you, beloved, building yourselves up in your most holy faith and praying in the Holy Spirit, keep yourselves in the love of God, waiting for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ that leads to eternal life.
SPEAKER_00: I love how Jackie Hill Perry in her study on Jude, she comments on this section.
SPEAKER_00: She says, Notice Jude made three distinctions on how to be merciful, which tells us that every believer or non-believer might not need the same method, even though they all need the same mercy.
SPEAKER_00: Practically, it would take wisdom and even some level of depth in the relationship to discern between the three.
SPEAKER_00: The doubtful is different than the one who needs to be snatched out of the fire.
SPEAKER_00: How you'd contend for the faith in an Ivy League school differs from how you'd contend for the faith with a doubting believer who's a member of a Baptist church in the Bible Belt.
SPEAKER_00: Situations such as these take us back to verse 20 and the need to pray in the Holy Spirit.
SPEAKER_00: When we find ourselves wanting to contend in a way that is full of mercy and yet appropriate for the person our mercy is toward, we look to God to guide us in the way of wisdom.
SPEAKER_00: Now let's turn to the closing of the book, some of the best words ever recorded in the Bible.
SPEAKER_00: Jude's Doxology.
SPEAKER_00: Verse 24.
SPEAKER_00: Now to him who is able to keep you from stumbling and to present you blameless before the presence of his glory with great joy.
SPEAKER_00: To the only God, our Savior, through Jesus Christ, our Lord, be glory, majesty, dominion, and authority before all time, and now and forever.
SPEAKER_00: Amen.
SPEAKER_00: Judas spent a lot of time looking back to the Old Testament, looking around at the situation he finds himself in with this particular church, and now he closes this book by looking up.
SPEAKER_00: Now to him.
SPEAKER_00: And this doxology, what Jude is explaining, is not an impersonal, godlike force out there somewhere in the universe.
SPEAKER_00: This is a personal communicative God explained as follows.
SPEAKER_00: One, he who is able.
SPEAKER_00: Maybe you feel that this morning.
SPEAKER_00: Maybe you feel the expectations placed on you by yourself, by others, and maybe you just feel tired because you don't feel like you're able to do what you feel like you wish you could.
SPEAKER_00: We not we might not be able, but there is one who is.
SPEAKER_00: Okay, number two, to keep you from stumbling.
SPEAKER_00: Jude uses a really rare word here for the word stumbling.
SPEAKER_00: It's the only time it's ever used in the New Testament.
SPEAKER_00: And that idea brings us back to the beginning of the letter.
SPEAKER_00: Jude says to those who are kept, beloved, it is not your own willpower that will sustain you.
SPEAKER_00: It's not your own strength, your own white knuckling.
SPEAKER_00: You are not able to hold yourself and keep yourself in the faith, but he is, and he has promised that he will by his blood.
SPEAKER_00: Number three, to present you blameless.
SPEAKER_00: And is this not ultimately what we all want?
SPEAKER_00: Right?
SPEAKER_00: And it shows up in every person from a young age.
SPEAKER_00: If you've been around young kids and they're in trouble, what's the first move but to put blame on him?
SPEAKER_00: I'm not I it wasn't my fault.
SPEAKER_00: It was his fault.
SPEAKER_00: We have faith in a God who not only takes our blame away, but he makes himself the recipient of it.
SPEAKER_00: Last.
SPEAKER_00: Before his presence with great joy.
SPEAKER_00: God is not begrudgingly accepting of you.
SPEAKER_00: It's not as though he's an apathetic father who's generally a little disappointed in you.
SPEAKER_00: Maybe that's what your own earthly father was like.
SPEAKER_00: God is not like that.
SPEAKER_00: He is radiating with joy over you, beloved.
SPEAKER_00: Jude stops now to praise this amazing God.
SPEAKER_00: To him be glory, majesty, dominion, and authority before all time, now and forever.
SPEAKER_00: Amen.
SPEAKER_00: The posture of our hearts and our fallen nature is to replace him with me.
SPEAKER_00: Now to Sam, be glory, majesty.
SPEAKER_00: Right?
SPEAKER_00: We might believe in Jesus, we might not, but if we're honest, we want ourselves in that position, don't we?
SPEAKER_00: We want ourselves to be put in the position of glory, of getting praise, of getting people to see us as worthy and glorious and smart and successful.
SPEAKER_00: What the gospel frees us from is the tyranny of self-worship.
SPEAKER_00: Don't we find that to be true?
SPEAKER_00: The more we make our lives about our comfort, our pleasure, our happiness, typically the more anxious we are, the more easily frustrated we get, especially when other people get in the way of our throne.
SPEAKER_00: I wonder how our lives might become more joyful, more free, more happy.
SPEAKER_00: The more we live our lives, less with now to me and more now to him.
SPEAKER_00: Hey, if you have questions about the sermon, if you need prayer, if you're wrestling this morning, I would love to talk and pray with you.
SPEAKER_00: After the service, I'll be down front.
SPEAKER_00: Let's pray together.
SPEAKER_00: Father, we come to your throne with confidence because we have a great high priest who by his blood took away the sins of the world.
SPEAKER_00: Father, I am so grateful for the gospel this morning.
SPEAKER_00: So grateful for the compassionate words from Jude.
SPEAKER_00: I'm challenged by the words of judgment.
SPEAKER_00: I'm brought back to praise as we look at you.
SPEAKER_00: Father, I pray for anybody in this room who's struggling with doubt or loneliness or addiction or a disorder, Lord, would you be a compassionate Savior today?
SPEAKER_00: And Lord, I pray that if there's anybody with serious questions about their faith this morning, that they would feel confidence to bring them to you or to a safe person in their life.
SPEAKER_00: Lord, I pray that as we come to the table to receive, Lord, that you would meet us in this space.
SPEAKER_00: We love you.
SPEAKER_00: We pray all this in Jesus' name and for his sake.
SPEAKER_00: Amen.