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Reclaim Your Attention & Productivity in Business - Signal vs. Noise

โ€ข Lisa Bonnington

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Are you tired of "performative busyness" and constant workplace interruptions?

Join the Fairfield Suisun Chamber of Commerce for our latest episode where we discuss how to separate the signal from the noise!

Did you know the average knowledge worker is disrupted every 11 minutes and loses over 6.5 hours a week just trying to refocus? In this episode, we dive into how to combat this by shifting away from low-value shallow work and prioritizing mentally demanding "deep work".

We also explore Steve Jobs' famous 80/20 productivity method: focusing 80% of your time on the 3 to 5 critical tasks that change the world in the next 18 hours, and ruthlessly filtering out the rest. Tune in to learn how to identify your own "North Star" priorities and eliminate the distractions draining your energy!

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SPEAKER_01

Right now, in this exact second, um, your brain is being bombarded by like 11 million bits of information from your environment.

SPEAKER_00

Which is just a crazy number to even think about.

SPEAKER_01

Right. I mean, every sound, every change in the light in your room, every physical sensation, uh, every single digital notification, 11 million bits. But your conscious mind, they can really only process 40 bits per second.

SPEAKER_00

40 out of 11 million.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, 40. So, mathematically speaking, you are literally drowning in a sea of static trying to find a single drop of clarity. So, welcome to the deep dive. And right out of the gate, we want to announce that this deep dive is hosted by the Fairfield Suzoon Chamber of Commerce.

SPEAKER_00

And today, we're pulling together a really massive stack of research to help you master that balance between the signal and the noise because we really want you to reclaim your attention and your productivity.

SPEAKER_01

Absolutely. We're pulling from uh insights from the cronoid team on deep work versus shallow work. We've got research from Wharton Executive Education on cognitive noise.

SPEAKER_00

We also have Nate Silver's forecasting principles, Tim Ferriss's tactical stuff from the four-hour work week, and uh Dr. Tatiana Stray's framework on the leadership filter.

SPEAKER_01

It is a heavy-hitting stack. And the mission for you today is basically to rescue you from that trap of performative busyness. You know, that feeling of logging off at five o'clock, you're completely exhausted, but you look back and realize you didn't actually do a single thing that moved the needle in your career.

SPEAKER_00

Aaron Powell Oh, we all know that feeling is terrible.

SPEAKER_01

It really is. Yeah. So we're gonna help you identify the 20% of your work that actually changes your life and show you how to build walls around it. So what does this all mean?

SPEAKER_00

Well, I mean, it means we have to start by actually defining our terms, both mathematically and biologically. Because signal and noise, they aren't just corporate buzzword.

SPEAKER_01

Right, they have actual definitions.

SPEAKER_00

Exactly. If you look at the Wikipedia source on the signal-to-noise ratio or SNR, this is a very strict measure used in science and engineering. So SNR is essentially the ratio of a desired signal's power to the background noises power. It's usually expressed in decibels. Got it. So if you have a high SNR, the signal you actually want is structurally more powerful than the noise around it. It's clear. But a low SNR means your signal is just entirely corrupted by all that background interference.

SPEAKER_01

Okay, let's unpack this because I immediately think of the analogy of trying to tune an old analog radio in a car. You know, you are slowly turning the dial, desperately searching for that clear music, the signal, but it's just buried under this heavy, crackling static.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, the noise.

SPEAKER_01

Exactly the noise. And when you finally hit the station, the music overpowers the static. But engineers use this for audio equipment, right? Yeah. The Wharton Executive Education Research applies it directly to the biology of the human brain.

SPEAKER_00

Aaron Powell, which brings us back to those numbers.

SPEAKER_01

Right. Eleven million bits of data hitting you every second, but you can only process 40 bits. That is a massive biological bottleneck.

SPEAKER_00

Precisely. And that bottleneck forces your brain to make these ruthless split-second choices about what to process and what to ignore.

SPEAKER_01

It has to, or it would fry.

SPEAKER_00

Exactly. So to help manage this, Wharton actually outlines four specific criteria to identify what constitutes noise in your professional life.

SPEAKER_01

Aaron Powell Okay, let's hear them.

SPEAKER_00

First is unusable. So information that doesn't spur you to change your behavior. Second is untimely. That's data you aren't going to use imminently.

SPEAKER_01

Aaron Powell Like reading an article about a software update for a program you don't even use yet.

SPEAKER_00

Right. Third is hypothetical. This is information based on what could be instead of what is. And the fourth is distracting, which is just anything that pulls you away from your immediate stated goals.

SPEAKER_01

Aaron Powell Okay. I understand the theory, but I have to push back a little on those Wharton criteria.

SPEAKER_00

Sure.

SPEAKER_01

Isn't some of that noise actually just, I don't know, good peripheral awareness? Yeah. Like isn't keeping up with hypothetical news or predicting the economy or tracking long-term industry forecasts an essential part of being a well-informed professional?

SPEAKER_00

What's fascinating here is that the human brain's energy reserves are strictly finite. So engaging with that hypothetical noise actually has a severe biological cost. Let's take a five-day weather forecast or, you know, obsessive market predictions.

SPEAKER_01

The stuff people check constantly.

SPEAKER_00

Right. The Wharton research points out that engaging with those hypothetical what-ifs actively diminishes your positive focus. Really? Yeah, it literally drains the glucose and the cognitive resources that you need for actual problem solving.

SPEAKER_01

Oh wow. So it physically tires your brain out.

SPEAKER_00

Exactly. When you spend your precious 40 bits of processing power on hypothetical futures that you cannot control, you are starving the parts of your brain that need to execute on the reality right in front of you.

SPEAKER_01

Oh, that makes perfect sense.

SPEAKER_00

You are actively impairing your own decision making by flooding your bottleneck with static.

SPEAKER_01

We are biologically drowning in static, which completely explains why the world's most successful people are so obsessive about filtering their inputs. They have to engineer their environments to protect those 40 bits.

SPEAKER_00

They absolutely do.

SPEAKER_01

And that takes us directly from the biology of the brain into the world of high-stakes business. Specifically, Dr. Tatiana Astray's article.

SPEAKER_00

Yes. Dr. Ostro brings in this really telling story from Shark Tank investor Kevin O'Leary. It's about his time working with Steve Jobs in the late 1990s.

SPEAKER_01

Oh, Steve Jobs, the ultimate filter.

SPEAKER_00

Yes. So Jobs had this brutally efficient definition of signal. To him, the signal was exclusively the top three to five things you absolutely must get done in the next 18 hours. That's it.

SPEAKER_01

Anything else.

SPEAKER_00

Any other task, meeting, or email that stops you from doing those three to five specific things is noise, period.

SPEAKER_01

And Jobs operated on a relentless 80-20 ratio, right?

SPEAKER_00

He did. 80% of his time was fiercely guarded for those signal tasks, and only 20% was begrudgingly allocated for the unavoidable noise and logistical friction of running a company.

SPEAKER_01

Begrudgingly is the right word there. And we saw the ultimate historical example of this when he returned to Apple in 1997.

SPEAKER_00

Oh, the turn.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah. The company was literally 90 days from bankruptcy. Yeah. Just bleeding cash. And they had this sprawling, totally incoherent product line of over 300 different items.

SPEAKER_00

300.

SPEAKER_01

300. Jobs comes in and he ruthlessly slashes those 300 products down to just 10. And he famously declared innovation means saying no to 1,000 things. Anybody could do that.

SPEAKER_00

Right. He was killing very good, profitable products because they were distracting the company's engineering talent from the truly world-changing products. Trevor Burrus, Jr.

SPEAKER_01

He was engineering the focus.

SPEAKER_00

Yes. He was increasing Apple's overall signal-to-noise ratio by intentionally lowering the volume of everything else.

SPEAKER_01

Aaron Powell That is such a legendary business case. But I mean it brings up a major practical issue. Which is It is incredibly easy to say no to a thousand things when your name is Steve Jobs and you are the CEO of a multi-billion dollar company.

SPEAKER_00

Fair point.

SPEAKER_01

But how does an everyday knowledge worker apply jobs' first principal's impact test when their manager is standing right at their desk handing them 50 tasks a week? You can't exactly just tell your boss that their urgent project is noise without getting fired.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, that won't go over well.

SPEAKER_01

Right. So how do you escape performative busyness in a real corporate hierarchy?

SPEAKER_00

Well, it is the single most common trap for the modern employee. You feel obligated to be responsive to everything, which means you end up being strategic about nothing.

SPEAKER_01

Exactly.

SPEAKER_00

So to navigate this, Dr. Estray introduces the framework of value tiers. You have to look at your entire task list and literally assign a dollar value to the output of each activity.

SPEAKER_01

Like hourly rates for tasks?

SPEAKER_00

Sort of. You have your $10 an hour work. That's formatting documents, scheduling meetings, answering routine emails. Right. Then you have $100 an hour work, which might be, you know, routine project management or client check-ins. But then you have $1,000 and $10,000 an hour work. That is setting the long-term vision, making critical strategic decisions, or maybe writing the core card for a new product.

SPEAKER_01

Aaron Powell So the trap is really hiding in the $10 an hour work because it's easy and it makes you look busy. You end up spending your morning color coding a spreadsheet instead of writing this strategic brief your boss actually needs to secure funding.

SPEAKER_00

Precisely. Now, regarding how to handle your boss, because everyday workers can't just ignore leadership, but they can use value tiers as a communication tool.

SPEAKER_01

How does that work?

SPEAKER_00

The mechanism here is negotiation through visibility. When your boss hands you a $10 task while you are working on a $10,000 project, you don't just say no.

SPEAKER_01

Because you'd get fired.

SPEAKER_00

Right. Instead, you say, I can absolutely format that spreadsheet for you, but it will require me to pause the strategic brief you asked for by Friday. Which of these two outputs is the higher priority for the department today?

SPEAKER_01

Oh, that's brilliant. You force leadership to see the trade-off.

SPEAKER_00

Exactly. You focus on what only you can do at your highest value tier, and you actively look for ways to eliminate, automate, or delegate the lower tiers.

SPEAKER_01

You are making the invisible cost of the noise totally visible to the people in charge. That is incredibly practical.

SPEAKER_00

It changes the whole dynamic.

SPEAKER_01

It really does. Which brings us to the actual execution phase. Let's say you've successfully negotiated your priorities, and you have your three to five signal tasks for the day. To actually pull them off, you need a very specific type of mental focus.

SPEAKER_00

You do.

SPEAKER_01

And this is where the cronoid source introduces the absolute battleground of the modern workplace: deep work versus shallow work.

SPEAKER_00

It's a battle most professionals don't even realize they're fighting. So the cronoid team defines deep work as professional activities performed in a state of distraction-free concentration.

SPEAKER_01

No phones, no email.

SPEAKER_00

Right. And these tasks push your cognitive capabilities to their absolute limit. These efforts create new value, they improve your skill, and they were really hard to replicate.

SPEAKER_01

So like drafting a major proposal or engaging in complex data analysis, that's deep work.

SPEAKER_00

Yes. Shallow work, on the other hand, consists of non-cognitively demanding logistical style tasks. And they're usually performed while distracted.

SPEAKER_01

Aaron Powell So basically the $10 work.

SPEAKER_00

Exactly. It's the administrative glue of a job.

SPEAKER_01

Aaron Ross Powell And the statistics they share about this are just staggering. The average full-time employee works a 47.6 hour week. But out of almost 50 hours, they only accomplish 11.2 hours of real productive deep work.

SPEAKER_00

It's a huge deficit.

SPEAKER_01

Less than 25% of their risk is actually high impact. The rest is entirely consumed by shallow noise.

SPEAKER_00

And the hidden cost of that noise is massive, mostly because of the mechanics of the brain. When you switch from drafting a complex proposal to answering a quick ping on Slack, you don't just pause the deep work. Right. You suffer from what's called context switching. Your brain actually leaves a residue of attention on the previous task. And the data reveals that the average knowledge worker is interrupted every 11 minutes.

SPEAKER_01

Here's where it gets really interesting because context switching is exactly like constantly turning a car engine off and on at every single stoplight.

SPEAKER_00

That's a great way to put it.

SPEAKER_01

You aren't just pausing your momentum, right? You are aggressively burning out the battery and grinding the starter motor to test.

SPEAKER_00

Yes.

SPEAKER_01

The cronoid data calculates that because it takes 25 minutes to fully refocus after an interruption, people are losing six point two hours every single week just trying to get their brains back up to speed.

SPEAKER_00

That's basically a whole work day just gone.

SPEAKER_01

The whole day evaporated. You feel exhausted at 5 p.m., not because you did a lot of valuable work, but because you spent all your energy shifting gears.

SPEAKER_00

Exactly.

SPEAKER_01

But I had to play devil's advocate here.

SPEAKER_00

Go for it.

SPEAKER_01

If shallow work is the administrative glue keeping the lights on. I mean, if the invoices literally have to be sent and the client emails actually have to be answered, we can't just abandon it. So how do we stop the glue from hijacking our entire day?

SPEAKER_00

Well, if we connect this to the bigger picture, the strategic goal is not to eliminate shallow work entirely. That is a corporate fantasy.

SPEAKER_01

Okay.

SPEAKER_00

The goal is containment. The crinoid team introduces this concept of a shallow work audit.

SPEAKER_01

What does that entail?

SPEAKER_00

You literally track your time for one week. You identify all the shallow tasks and you put them through a gauntlet of four questions. First, can I eliminate this entirely? Like, does this recurring meeting even need to happen? Second, if not, can I automate it with software?

SPEAKER_01

Zampier or something.

SPEAKER_00

Right. Third, can I delegate it to someone whose value tier actually matches the task?

SPEAKER_01

Makes sense.

SPEAKER_00

And finally, if the answer to all three of those is no, you ask, can I batch this?

SPEAKER_01

Batch it, okay.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah. You force the unavoidable shallow work into tightly confined boxes on your calendar so it simply cannot bleed into your deep work time.

SPEAKER_01

Okay, so we've established the mechanisms for filtering our task lists. But modern professionals don't just process tasks, right? We process a massive, unending influx of data every single day to inform those tasks. We do. And if there is one common threat across our sources today, it is that more information does not equal a clearer signal.

SPEAKER_00

Often it's the exact opposite. Tim Ferris explores this deeply in the four-hour work week by advocating for what he calls a low information diet.

SPEAKER_01

I love that concept.

SPEAKER_00

It's powerful. He suggests cultivating intentional selective ignorance. This means deliberately choosing not to consume news, industry blogs, or data that doesn't directly impact your immediate goals.

SPEAKER_01

Just shutting the noise off.

SPEAKER_00

Exactly. And he champions the art of non-finishing, basically giving yourself explicit permission to put down a book, close an article, or walk right out of a presentation the moment you realize it isn't serving your signal.

SPEAKER_01

I think the art of non-finishing is such a crucial permission slip for high achievers because they generally feel obligated to complete absolutely everything they start.

SPEAKER_00

They really do.

SPEAKER_01

And Nate Silver backs up the danger of information overload in his book, The Signal and the Noise. He explains the underlying mechanism of why simply adding more data to a problem often creates false positives.

SPEAKER_00

Because the human brain is just a pattern recognition machine.

SPEAKER_01

Exactly. So if you give it enough random data, it will absolutely find a pattern that isn't really there. Right. He uses this wild example of the Super Bowl stock market indicator. For 30 years, there was a perfect statistical correlation between which conference won the Super Bowl and whether the stock market went up or down that year.

SPEAKER_00

30 years.

SPEAKER_01

The odds of this relationship happening purely by chance were one in four million seven hundred thousand.

SPEAKER_00

But as Silver points out, it was pure chance. It was a completely meaningless coincidence that masqueraded as a highly reliable signal simply because analysts were cross-referencing way too much unconnected data. Right. Silver uses this phenomenon to contrast two types of forecasters: hedgehogs and foxes.

SPEAKER_01

This comparison is brilliant. So hedgehogs are the forecasters who rely on one big, sweeping, overarching idea to explain in the world. Right. They are brash, they are incredibly confident in their predictions, and they're usually very media-friendly. They're like that loud, hyper-confident guest at a dinner party who sounds super authoritative, but when you actually look at their track record, they are almost always wrong.

SPEAKER_00

Aaron Powell Yes. And foxes, on the other hand, are scrappy. They look at a wide variety of information, they readily admit when they are unsure, and they constantly update their opinions when the facts change.

SPEAKER_01

Aaron Powell They adjust.

SPEAKER_00

Trevor Burrus Right. And as a result, they make vastly more accurate predictions.

SPEAKER_01

Aaron Powell But going back to your point about the dinner party, how do foxes actually process all that varied information without getting fooled by false positives like the Super Bowl indicator? Like how do they avoid the 11 million-bit bottleneck?

SPEAKER_00

Trevor Burrus, Jr. That's the real challenge. Trevor Burrus, Jr.

SPEAKER_01

Right.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01

If more data creates more noise, what is the Fox's actual mechanism for finding the truth?

SPEAKER_00

Aaron Powell The mechanism is Bayes' theorem, which Silver outlines in really great detail. It is a mathematical concept, but its practical application is profound.

SPEAKER_01

How so?

SPEAKER_00

The core of Bayes' theorem is that you never look at a new piece of information in a vacuum. You always start with a base rate.

SPEAKER_01

A base rate.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah. That's the historical probability of something happening based on long-term data. So when a fox gets a new piece of loud breaking information, they don't just throw out their worldview.

SPEAKER_01

Like the hedgehogs do.

SPEAKER_00

Right. They use the new data to mathematically tweak their existing odds up or down slightly. They update their probabilities incrementally.

SPEAKER_01

Okay, I see.

SPEAKER_00

By anchoring themselves to the base rate, they ensure the loud noise of the now doesn't drown out the true signal of the trend.

SPEAKER_01

They use history as a weighted anchor against the hysteria of the present. That completely shifts how you should read the morning news.

SPEAKER_00

It really does.

SPEAKER_01

So we've traveled from the biological limits of the brain to Steve Jobs' business strategy, to the deep work deficit, and into the mathematics of forecasting. Let's move from theory into ultimate practical application.

SPEAKER_00

Let's do it.

SPEAKER_01

If you are listening to this right now, how do you actually structure your calendar tomorrow morning to ensure the signal wins?

SPEAKER_00

Well, we can look at the four deep work philosophies originally outlined by Cal Newport and detailed in the Chronoid Source. The first philosophy is the monastic approach. This is the extreme end of the spectrum. You eliminate all shallow obligations entirely. The mechanism here is total isolation.

SPEAKER_01

So think of a university professor going on sabbatical, locking themselves in a cabin in the woods for six months to write a book.

SPEAKER_00

Exactly.

SPEAKER_01

That sounds incredibly peaceful. But if I try to go monastic, I just get fired for ghosting my team and missing all my deliverables.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, not practical for most of us.

SPEAKER_01

But if disappearing completely isn't viable, you'd have to find a way to partition your time without severing ties to the office entirely.

SPEAKER_00

Exactly. Which leads to the second framework, the bimodal philosophy. This is where you split your schedule into distinct, deeply segregated blocks.

SPEAKER_01

How big are the blocks?

SPEAKER_00

Usually days. For example, Monday through Wednesday, you operate like a monk, completely unreachable, doing pure deep work. Then Thursday and Friday, you revert to a normal employee, taking all your meetings, answering emails, doing all the shallow work.

SPEAKER_01

Again, highly effective if you're an independent consultant or maybe a partner at a law firm, but that is still a massive friction point for a standard corporate employee whose boss expects a daily response.

SPEAKER_00

True.

SPEAKER_01

There has to be a way to integrate deep work into an actual daily rhythm.

SPEAKER_00

There is, and it's aptly called the rhythmic philosophy. This is about making deep work a consistent daily habit. Instead of disappearing for days, you block out a specific window, say 90 to 120 minutes every single morning, and you ruthlessly protect that daily block. It relies on the mechanism of routine to reduce the friction of starting.

SPEAKER_01

And what if your days are completely unpredictable? Like an emergency room doctor or a startup founder.

SPEAKER_00

That leads to the fourth framework, the journalistic philosophy. This is where you dive into deep work anytime a sudden pocket of free time opens up.

SPEAKER_01

So a meeting gets canceled, and boom, you instantly switch into high cognitive strain mode. You act like a productivity ninja, striking whenever there is an opening.

SPEAKER_00

This raises an important question about human nature, though. While the journalistic approach sounds adaptable, it requires an almost superhuman level of discipline to instantly switch context without fatiguing your brain.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, that context switching tax again.

SPEAKER_00

Exactly. For the vast majority of knowledge workers trying to survive a chaotic, loud, open plan office with notifications constantly going off, the rhythmic philosophy combined with rigorous time blocking is by far the most practical lifeline.

SPEAKER_01

You don't need a cabin in the woods.

SPEAKER_00

No. You just need to secure 90 uninterrupted minutes, ideally first thing in the morning before the noise of the day even begins.

SPEAKER_01

And you protect that 90-minute block by deploying the tactical tools Tim Ferris recommends, specifically batching. Batching is huge. Right. Instead of leaving your email inbox open all day, inviting those 11-minute interruptions we talked about earlier, you batch your processing, you check your email once at 11 a.m. and once at 4 p.m.

SPEAKER_00

And that's it.

SPEAKER_01

Right. You drastically reduce the setup costs and eliminate the context switching that burns out your mental battery.

SPEAKER_00

And if your team or your boss is the source of the noise, you know, demanding constant check-in meetings that ruin your rhythmic block, Ferris suggests a brilliant negotiation mechanism called the puppy dog close.

SPEAKER_01

I have used this and it works flawlessly.

SPEAKER_00

It really does.

SPEAKER_01

The concept is that if you go to a pet store, you might hesitate to buy a dog. But if the owner says, just take the puppy home for the weekend, and if you don't like it, bring it back, you are never bringing that dog back.

SPEAKER_00

Never.

SPEAKER_01

So you apply this to corporate noise. You don't declare a permanent revolution to your boss. You just say, Hey, can we try an experiment? Let's have zero internal meetings on Wednesday mornings for the next two weeks so I can focus on this major project. If it disrupts the team's flow, we will immediately go back to the old schedule.

SPEAKER_00

It's incredibly low risk for the boss.

SPEAKER_01

Exactly. But once they see the massive increase in your high value output, they won't want to bring the puppy back.

SPEAKER_00

By grouping your shallow tasks through batching and securing just 90 minutes of rhythmic deep work a day, you fundamentally alter your personal signal-to-noise ratio.

SPEAKER_01

You stop reacting and you start executing.

SPEAKER_00

It really is a complete perspective shift on what it means to be productive.

SPEAKER_01

Let's do a quick recap of the incredible ground we've covered today. We started by realizing that our brains are physically bottlenecked, facing 11 million bits of data, but only able to consciously process 40 bits a second. And we learned that to manage this bottleneck, we have to adopt Steve Jobs' ruthless 80-20 rule, focusing heavily on the three to five tasks that actually matter, and using value tiers to negotiate our priorities with leadership.

SPEAKER_00

We also uncovered the massive hidden tacks of context switching and why we absolutely must audit our shallow work to stop it from draining our cognitive battery.

SPEAKER_01

We looked at how Bayes' theorem helps us navigate information overload by anchoring to base rates.

SPEAKER_00

And finally, we explored how to structure our days using the rhythmic philosophy and the puppy dog close to actively starve the noise and feed the signal.

SPEAKER_01

It's all about ensuring that the 40-bit processor in your head is dedicated to the things that actually move the needle in your life. But before we wrap up, I want to leave you with a final slightly provocative thought to mull over on your own time. We have spent this entire discussion focusing on how noise wastes our time, drains our glucose, and ruins our productivity. But what if the real existential danger of noise isn't just that it makes us inefficient?

SPEAKER_00

What do you mean?

SPEAKER_01

What if the constant pinging, the endless scrolling, and the performative busyness are actually slowly rewiring our brains to be terrified of silence? Because it is only in that quiet, uninterrupted, deeply uncomfortable silence that true world-changing thought can actually take root. Are we truly victims of the noise, or are we secretly inviting it in because we're afraid of the silence that the signal requires?

SPEAKER_00

Wow, that is a question worth dedicating a 90 minute deep work block to all on its own.

SPEAKER_01

It absolutely is. Thank you so much for joining us for this deep dive into the signal and the noise. The Fairfield Susanne Chamber of Commerce hosts the podcast. Anyone who would like to be considered as a podcast sponsor should contact the chamber directly at 707 425 4625. Keep fiercely protecting your signal, and we will catch you next time.