Blackjack cheating. Secret Agents! Truly Invisible to Pit Bosses

How do you stand right next to a pit boss while your agent is stealing from the casino? You become invisible.

Dustin and The Kaiser break down the art of the secret agent — how they operated in plain sight at the blackjack table for four years without anyone knowing what was happening right in front of them.

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Transcript

SPEAKER_01 0:00

To rob a bank, one needs a bag to put the money in. For us, that bag is an agent. Without them, that money never leaves the table.

SPEAKER_03 0:11

The Kaiser and I cheated over 500 blackjack games in Las Vegas during the 1980s.

SPEAKER_01 0:19

And we were never caught.

SPEAKER_03 0:22

Damn right.

SPEAKER_01 0:25

This is Cheating at Blackjack. I'm the Kaiser, and this is our host, Dustin Marks.

SPEAKER_03 0:30

Well, welcome everybody. And today we have a very special episode for you.

SPEAKER_01 0:37

This is the heart and soul of the whole operation.

SPEAKER_03 0:41

Kind of what we did, in a sense.

SPEAKER_01 0:43

In a sense, yeah. A deep dive into it. It's a deep dive, and all good cheating dealers need one thing.

SPEAKER_03 0:51

A good deck of cards?

SPEAKER_01 0:52

A good deck of cards is good. And a casino. Yeah. But if you don't have anyone to dump off to, you're just doing it all to yourself. What do we need? One term, an agent. Need an agent to get this done. It's someone we work with to take the money from the game. Because we can't just stand there and put the money in our pocket.

SPEAKER_03 1:12

No, that's going south with Chip. Yeah, agents. And technically, we were both agents.

SPEAKER_01 1:17

We played off of each other. I would deal, he would come in and play, and vice versa. Exactly. So, and aside from ourselves, we weren't the only ones that came in and played off of each other. We had other real people that come in and take the money off the game, which we all had different agents. How many agents did you have? You had a lot. Like a whole stable, 1,700 or something like that?

SPEAKER_03 1:38

Well, depending on the day. No, uh, I mean, five main agents, but then when you get into the uh a big play like the river, yeah. And you know what? I don't even remember half their names. Even their made-up names because it's been so long ago.

SPEAKER_01 1:53

I don't know one. Yeah. Well, two if I include you. And that's it. I didn't know any of them because I was there to do one thing.

SPEAKER_03 2:00

Right. And you know what? That's a good point. In these big plays like the river, where we had 10, 12 people, I didn't know the real names for safety. We all had code names. Uh we I'd mentioned another episode. My code name was The Buffalo. We had the light bulb, we had Frankenstein, we had the terrorist. Great code name.

SPEAKER_01 2:21

Terrorist was even the 80s wasn't great. Mine has always been Kaiser. Uh I've always been Kaiser. I was born Kaiser. That is my real name.

SPEAKER_03 2:31

Now, obviously, I do know his real name, but I wish you'd tell me. I don't even know what it is. I really. But literally, on these big plays, we all use code names and we all understood why we're doing that, and nobody got offended.

SPEAKER_01 2:46

Exactly. We just you had to refer to them somehow. So yeah, he had what you say five, not counting the big plays. I had it at most at one time I had uh three.

SPEAKER_03 3:00

Now not let's clarify that. Three coming in at different times. Yeah, three at your table.

SPEAKER_01 3:05

I had three, I had three uh agents in my stable.

SPEAKER_03 3:11

Why wouldn't I have you come in and we win as much money as possible?

SPEAKER_01 3:18

Well, if I were to come in there and win a lot of money each and every time, that will attract attention to me.

SPEAKER_03 3:27

Absolutely.

SPEAKER_01 3:28

And if you have all your other agents come in and win everything they can in one play or two plays, it's gonna draw attention. So what's gonna happen is they're gonna walk up to me and say, You no longer have action here. You're done playing.

SPEAKER_03 3:42

And he means they, meaning a boss.

SPEAKER_01 3:44

The boss, the boss would come up and say, You have no more action here. We don't want it, we don't want your play, and literally stop me from playing. And if you did that with every agent, you'd be saying they're lonely a lot. We kept it low level. We figured if you stay under the gun, you pull out your easy couple thousand unnoticed and go. I mean, it's that simple. If you win that large amount, you draw attention to yourself, and bosses do remember who wins lots of money. It's it's very common. So if you come in, you grind off a couple thousand, the way we play it, it doesn't look like we're winning a couple of thousand. So we do that two, three times a week, it adds up. Now we go in there and try to win 10,000 in one shot, not good.

SPEAKER_03 4:32

Now, there's a couple ways to make it look like you didn't win as much money as you did. So why don't you go over some of those?

SPEAKER_01 4:39

One of them is as you win, you go you go south with your checks. In other words, you stick them in your pocket. So they couldn't really see how much is in front of you. Because most bosses, when they have as many games as they have back then, I think they had four to six games. They look and look at the players. If they got money in front of them, they start paying attention to why they have so much money in front of them. Not thinking they're being suspicious or anything, it's just he has to answer to other people. So if someone comes up and says, Why has this guy got all that black? You can say, Well, da-da-da-da-da. But that's why they keep track of what goes in and out of the rack, because they have to answer to other people. So if we pile up all that money, he's going to come over and wonder why we got all this money. And now we'll start watching the game to see what hands we're hitting, what we're not hitting, what we're doing. He starts to pay attention. And the last thing they want to we want them to do is pay attention to is so if I'm winning, if I'm getting my hands up to our metin two or three hundred a pop, then I will start putting the blacks in my pocket. So I got very little in front of me. Because now as they're just glancing through the pit, they see there's no black on the table. They don't normally check the racks.

SPEAKER_03 5:45

Right.

SPEAKER_01 5:45

You know, they do check the racks, but as a norm, they walk through the pit, see there's no money on the table, they keep walking.

SPEAKER_03 5:51

Because there could be another game with action on the right.

SPEAKER_01 5:54

So we kept the the black checks as much as possible off the table. You know, they call it rat holing. And uh we we put them all away. And and as we said earlier, we do not color up. We don't give all our green and get more black. We walk everything to the cage.

SPEAKER_03 6:10

And then you don't cash out all your winning.

SPEAKER_01 6:12

Sometimes we did not, it depends on how much it was. Yes.

SPEAKER_03 6:14

Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 6:15

So we had our little ways to get in and out of the uh the spotlight.

SPEAKER_03 6:21

Yeah, preferably never being in the spotlight. But when we're playing the flash and stacking the deck, we went for longevity.

SPEAKER_01 6:30

Low key and go unnoticed. There are times where, yeah, we we bet the farm, but there were times where you shouldn't be betting the farm.

SPEAKER_03 6:41

Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_01 6:42

I mean, it's just to your disadvantage. It's it's it sells that you are just desperate, is what it shows, and you got lucky. But that's once in a while, that wasn't uh that wasn't a daily thing.

SPEAKER_03 6:57

I learned this from a play called The River, where we were really ripping and tearing, and all seven players got backed off. Well, six out of seven got backed off in about two to three weeks because they went in so much money.

SPEAKER_01 7:13

Big operation like that becomes very obvious.

SPEAKER_03 7:15

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 7:16

I mean, you say, well, that's a couple weeks. Well, it shouldn't be a couple weeks, it should be longer than that, but that's a big operation they had going on down there, so it was a it was bound, and you had everybody and their uncle in on it.

SPEAKER_03 7:28

Yeah, we had a lot of people, and uh it's up. It could have gone on for months if the agents didn't bet so big, and that would have been safer. So when I came back to Vegas and created my own team, which Kaiser is part of it, I wanted to go for longevity for two reasons. Yeah, I was drilled into us too. One, I thought it was safer, and two, I think we'd make more money in the long run. Absolutely.

SPEAKER_01 7:52

So you pull off big bucks a couple times or mediocre for a long time, and that's what we went for. We went for the long haul. You pull off, you know, a couple thousand every play, or even you know, usually about at least a minimum of a thousand every time we did it. We usually made five hundred or more a night. We do that three times a week. I mean, that adds up, and it'll work, and it worked. Now, if I go out there and pop out fifteen hundred dollars in one play and constantly do that, I'm gonna be out the door fast. And I won't be able to step back in the casino, I'll be done. So there's, you know, it's obvious which way you're gonna go.

SPEAKER_03 8:36

I got a question for you. I have no answers. Good. What may, in your opinion, what makes a good agent? One you don't notice. No, I mean, as far as personally, what do you want in a good agent if you're recruiting one?

SPEAKER_01 8:49

Honesty. Yeah, that's a very that is probably the best thing. I have to trust the person. It's trust, and I know you say honest and you're doing a dishonest thing, but you you have to trust the person, as we said in earlier episodes, they're got you they got your money. You gotta make sure they come back. So it's a very good, trustworthy, and they follow the formula. I mean, it sounds like a business. We have a formula, but we did have a formula, and we made sure we stuck to it for that longevity thing.

SPEAKER_03 9:15

Now, playing the flash that uh the agents would do. I think another important thing is good eyesight to be able to see the flash.

SPEAKER_01 9:25

Yeah, we gave them an eye exam. Um, we'd have a chart of the other room and say, is this an ace? Is this a jack? And then we start slicing off the corner. And if they couldn't see and we poked their eyes out, and that way they couldn't see. But yes, uh, eyesight was a key. And to be able to, you know what I think is just common logic. Yeah, thinking on their feet, thinking on their feet. If a boss comes up and starts breathing on the game, I mean just hanging out on the game, and you panic, that's a dead giveaway. He'd just be hanging out because he can. Don't let the can't let these bosses fool you. They're just there. They're doing their nine to five, they're not trying to intimidate, but that's the fun part, they do.

SPEAKER_03 10:09

I think uh another important thing is the agent has to be uh aware of the casino culture, and they have to know what's going on, like Kaiser said. They can't panic because the boss is at the game. You could be there for a lot of reasons.

SPEAKER_01 10:24

Yeah, you just stand there and watch. The whole idea of the boss is this, and they give us a lot of power, all this what we do. We stand there and stare off into the abyss and make it look like we're doing something. That's our job. I mean, it's boring. So you're gonna stand there, move your head around, look, walk to a game and come back, and all you're doing is painting a picture of your working, you're keeping track of your games. And yes, you do keep track because you get that call and say, hey, table 105, that guy in the fifth story, you know, the fifth seat, what's his story? What's going on? And you've got to get tell him a story. All right, he's in 500, he's winning a couple hands, they're happy. So you do pay attention, but not to the scrutiny that most people think these bosses do.

SPEAKER_03 11:12

Do you have a preference, male or female agent?

SPEAKER_01 11:14

I did not have a preference. As long as they could see and see the cards and make the appropriate plays and not draw attention. I didn't care what they're male, female, dog, cat, didn't matter. I just took it all. They're making me money, I'm all for it.

SPEAKER_03 11:29

Did you have a favorite agent besides myself? Somebody who was good at it, colorful.

SPEAKER_01 11:35

That's a great question because everyone I have was better than him. Um, I'm just kidding. I didn't know this guy, but Dustin brought him in, trained him and everything else, told me he's training somebody. Guy's an ex-cop, undercover, he's solid, he's great. Well, he's an ex-cop, he's got to be pretty good. He tells me, builds them all up, and now I have not met this guy. All he's gonna do is come in on my game.

SPEAKER_03 12:04

And let me make a point. I was not dealing at the time, so this guy had never really played under fire yet.

SPEAKER_01 12:12

No. I was I was his cherry breaker. So, okay, so we have it set up. He knows he knows what I look like. I don't know what he looks like, but you know, as he sits down, I'm supposed to have some kind of signal. I I don't remember the details, but I would know it's him. And so he he comes in and I I spot him off because I had a player at the time. I had a player on first base, which is where he's supposed to sit. So I'll I see a guy kind of lingering out there, and I okay, this must be him. But yeah, I was a little weary of him because he's holding the beer bottle and kind of just doing this kind of crap. Okay, this really can't be him. Okay, it can't be because he's kind of wishy-washy. Guy on first base gets up, he staggers up to my table, plops himself down on the table like this. Oh, that's great. Got his beer bottle up here, and I'm going, what the?

SPEAKER_03 13:08

What the hell?

SPEAKER_01 13:10

I was furious. And I go, okay, well, he he vowed for him. And I'm I'm nowhere in the dare. He has no idea the scene is going down. I got this drunk. It's supposed to make us money. He's a cop. He's another cover cop. But he's drunk up. Yeah, was another he's drunk off his ass. So I said, okay, let's go for it. The surprise was he never missed a beat. This guy was acting the whole time, and he had me fooled completely. He ended up being the best agent, other than Dustin over here. He was just phenomenal. And at the time, this is the funny part. At the time we had a promotion, every time he got a blackjack, he got a coupon for crap, you know, shirts, mugs, whatever. Of course, he got quite a few blackjackets. I wonder why. He's making some good money, and he's got all these tickets to redeem from promotional stuff. So the next time he comes in, he is decked out in the t-shirt, the cap, the sweatpants, he had mugs. He played this the total idiot. You know, all this garbage. He sat down and he was oh, he was oh, he was awesome. Best, the best character you'd ever imagine. And we made some good plays. He was a lot of fun. Sharp as attack.

SPEAKER_03 14:32

It was so smart of him to do that because he played the fool. Yeah, he wore all the casino garbage. So every boss is gonna think, well, here's a sucker who plays a lot, plays a lot.

SPEAKER_01 14:44

He's got all this crap on him, and it was so funny. When he came in, I I had to really contain myself from laughing. He was so overdressed with this garbage, but spot on perfect. This guy was phenomenal. That's a good name. For Viv. Um, we what's interesting, I think she worked the same place you did.

SPEAKER_03 15:09

Yeah, that's why I never played against her, or she never played against me.

SPEAKER_01 15:13

So there would be nights I'd hit both of them.

SPEAKER_03 15:16

Which is really strong because he could go to her, then me, and then a square dealer. So it looked like there was no pattern.

SPEAKER_01 15:24

No pattern. I got two two two dealers to deal to me, which was really cool.

SPEAKER_03 15:29

Absolutely.

SPEAKER_01 15:30

And again, you gotta take all these winnings and keep it under the wire.

SPEAKER_03 15:34

Now, what would turn you off about an agent? You you would say, and this didn't happen, but what would you say, that's it, I'm not gonna have anything to do with this person again.

SPEAKER_01 15:46

Many, many mistakes. Now, when we played against here, yeah, we had our mistakes, we had our moments, and I have a huge story for you. That one. Oh, I got I got one that lives in infamy. Um I'm not gonna expose it here, but it was one of the biggest goose with me dealing, and uh you'll love that one. We'll get into that when we get to um stacking, another more advanced stacking. But yeah, it was great. And that is if they're making too many mistakes, if they're not betting when I think they should be betting, or they're betting too much, or they're just drawing attention. That would draw the end right there. I'd set one session with them and say, thanks for playing bye.

SPEAKER_03 16:30

I had an agent, I don't know if you ever met him. And I can't say the name right now. I haven't met him. He was kind of he was new to Blackjack when he's over at the place, my house, he's doing good. But it's way different being under fire.

SPEAKER_00 16:48

Yes. So I remember one time I'm flashing.

SPEAKER_03 16:52

He has, I think, a 12 or 13. Let's say a 13. He has an eight. He sees an eight coming, and he starts to double down. Oh and I said, Boy, I better figure this out. So he has a yeah, let's say a uh 13, a five, and an eight. And I said, You know, that's an eight, not a six. And then he got it. He goes, Oh, I thought it was a six, I had 11. I go, no, you got a 13. You probably don't want to double down. Yeah, and of course he won because he got a 21. But think about that. You double on a 13 and get an eight, that's gonna be suspicious.

SPEAKER_01 17:28

Yeah, it is horrible to double down on hard busting hand on a hard hand like that.

SPEAKER_03 17:32

It just now, if you saw the flash episode, it looks like, oh, this would be so easy. I'm just there looking for the card, and I know what to do. But under fire in a real casino with real money, a lot of people get very nervous.

SPEAKER_01 17:49

Especially with new agents. They they, you know, you like you said, you practice, you get them down where they say, Yeah, I got this, it's great. Now they sit down, they have the environment around them, first of all. Then you got real people back there, and you see that card coming out, and you're like, you know, it just you don't you can't focus because you're not sure if that's what you saw or whatever, they're just not comfortable with that environment. And I tried to bring in one that was a non-gaming person.

SPEAKER_00 18:18

Yeah, it's gonna be tough.

SPEAKER_01 18:19

And I even I even brought him to your table one night and I said, Okay, here's what's going on. This is what's going to be. He could not grasp the concept to begin with. Wow. That that's and so then even when I showed him, here's what's going on, he goes, I don't, I don't, what are we doing? I'm I'm giving you the information. I don't see it. Okay, this is not gonna work. I can see this. And even after I took him out on a live, he wasn't playing, I was playing. I said, Here's what's going on. He still had no clue. Wow. So I kicked him out quick.

SPEAKER_03 18:54

Let me ask you, because obviously we're not rehearsed. Was this a guy I called the gorilla? Big tall guy?

SPEAKER_00 19:02

Might have been.

SPEAKER_03 19:03

I mean, I kind of remember that you came in with somebody. Right.

SPEAKER_01 19:07

That's the only time I brought someone in.

SPEAKER_03 19:09

Yeah, you were batting he, if he was playing, he's playing like minimum. And you asked me, Did you see my agent? And I said, No. And then you said the guy next to you, and I uh for whatever reason, oh, that big tall gorilla guy.

SPEAKER_01 19:25

He was a tall guy, yeah, and he was kind of big.

SPEAKER_03 19:27

And I never saw him again.

SPEAKER_01 19:29

He was really stupid. So if you're listening, you're stupid. Wow. He would just he had no concept, he could not grasp it. And to me, it was just very easy. Well, yeah. Just there, you bet it. Yeah, if you gotta apparently that didn't make sense to you.

SPEAKER_03 19:43

14, you see a seven, you know, unless you can't add, it's pretty simple.

SPEAKER_01 19:47

So I'm not sure what misfired in his head, but he just didn't grasp it. And so that was, I think, the only time I really tried to pull someone in. Because it's just too much work. It's too much work.

SPEAKER_03 19:58

I had a good buddy who really helped me out as far as connecting me to people, but I never had him come in and play.

SPEAKER_01 20:05

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 20:06

He just he was wrong for it. You know, and you gotta that's the thing.

SPEAKER_01 20:10

You gotta find the personality that's gonna fit this. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 20:13

You gotta, and this boy, this goes really deep, and I'll get into it a little bit. You can't let friendship decide if that person is going to be an agent. He's gotta have the qualifications, obviously, good eyesight. He's gotta understand casinos.

SPEAKER_01 20:32

That's a big thing. A huge really is. You gotta trust them. Trust is a huge issue.

SPEAKER_03 20:38

And he's gotta be able to do it under fire. If he can't do it under fire, it's a huge issue.

SPEAKER_01 20:42

I just want to say that all the time. No, you're absolutely correct.

SPEAKER_03 20:49

Because I have a memory, it's faded, of a guy who was supposed to come in and play, a new agent. He started getting toward, walking toward the table, and I was a dealer, and he got so nervous he couldn't even come up to the table. Now, at home practicing. No heat. No, and he acted like oh, in fact, he said something like, oh, this is gonna be so easy for me. Yeah, it's one of those guys who talk big, but under fire, he just fell apart.

SPEAKER_01 21:18

I can actually relate that to a stage fright.

SPEAKER_03 21:21

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 21:21

You rehearse all you want, you're comfortable, but now when the lights come on, you're on that stage, and you're doing something. Here's the kicker you're doing something you're not supposed to be doing. And that pays a heavy price because now they're in the wild doing illegal crap. That goes a lot. You know, in their in their closet, they're going, Yeah, I'm a badass crook, I can do this. Put them out in the wild, and holy shit, the whole world can see me.

SPEAKER_03 21:49

Yeah, that's crunch time then.

SPEAKER_01 21:51

That's crunch time. You gotta have you gotta have the bone for it. You really do. So now I showed you some of my agents. What about your agents?

SPEAKER_03 22:00

Uh besides yourself, I got a couple good ones. We had one guy, we called him Uncle Beamer. He was great. He was beyond suspicion because back then, when you're our age, you really he really looked old. And he was very friendly. He would, not by design, but he would become friends with the bosses, which is perfect. But he'd come in and you just never thought he was doing anything. And he was, oh, besides you, he might have played more against me than anyone. And at the end of each session, he'd always say this, he goes, Thank you, dealer. Walk off. But I guess he did that with all the dealers he played against. Because he was a card counter. Now, actually, I'm confusing you. Uncle Beamer was older, and he was actually the uncle of Beamer, who I'm pretty sure you're talking about came in.

SPEAKER_00 22:58

Okay.

SPEAKER_03 22:58

Was Beamer tall, real tall? The counter dude. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. And Uncle Beamer was his uncle. Gotcha. Not mine. You know, we had all these code names that would confuse everybody except ourselves. So Beamer was another one of my agents. He was, like Kaiser said, a very good card counter. But of course, when he's playing against me, he didn't count the cards. He eventually, and this is why it was bad to have a card counter, he got barred from the casino because they realized finally, and it took a while, that he was a card counter. Didn't get barred because he's winning too much or anything. Now, Agent doesn't necessarily have to sit at first base. There's plays where he could sit other places. I'd read the lay stack, which we'll talk about in another episode, and depending on how it laid, I would signal you to play like the middle spot, and you'd come in with a big bet, one time shot, win or lose. Of course, he's going to win, but we did that once.

SPEAKER_01 23:59

Okay, I and it happened to be a fairly busy night. I sat at the bar, got drunk off my ass. No, um, I did sit at the bar across from his table, waiting for the signal. Now he had a full table. So he had six players. I'm waiting for something to open up. Finally, I think it was the third or fourth seat that opened up. It was in the middle of the table. And he signals me. I walk up to the table, pull out the cash, slap it on the table. This is back in the day when you could play money. Yeah. You know, now regulations of the RS, you can't play money. It has to all be changed. But that day, slapped it out there. He could see it was under the table minimum. He calls out money plays. Deals out the hand, I snap. It was $500. Pays me out $750. Thank you. I'm out. I think I played off the $50 to see if I could. Yeah, that was it, and I walked away. So for uh, you know, an instant of a heartbeat, we picked up some some cash. I took a play card from his deck of wisdom. Uh if I had a player on first base to get rid of, I didn't have all that wittiness. But I would peek at the top cards. And if the dealer, I mean, if the player was going to get a good card at 10 or an eighth or anything strong, I would do a second deal to discard that and just go with the top card, which is usually, you know, a bad card. Not usually, but I saw it was a bad card. You know, it's better because I know I see the top two cards. And if he's going to get a good card, my discard and the first card, I would switch the two around. So he would get the not so good card. So he's starting off at a disadvantage. I know it's it's just wrong, but money's more important.

SPEAKER_03 25:48

I wouldn't do that, but you know what I would do? Now, again, this back in the 80s, so we had a lot of latitude when we could shuffle the deck. Right. So I'd peek the top card if it's good, I'd shuffle. Now I wouldn't be off the first round, but anytime I could shuffle, and then vice versa, if I peaked it was a especially like a five, I'd deal deep. And the next time I peaked, it was a six. So he kept starting his hand with a bad card.

SPEAKER_01 26:14

Exactly. That was the whole idea. Yeah. Did not give him a good card to possibly win.

SPEAKER_03 26:18

And if, and I don't recommend never did deal in seconds at the blackjack table because of the eye. Exactly. But if you are going to and at least get away that the players won't nail your necktie, meaning put the deck up like this. They can't even see what card's coming off.

SPEAKER_01 26:37

No, it's of all the of all the things we've done on the table, that is what we did not. And yet he did it for shits and giggles. I did it on occasion to do a discard, which is a disarming time to do it. And I've also done it under fire. Uh a desperate play. So you don't want to do it.

SPEAKER_03 26:56

No, because if they slow even back down the 80s, I think. Well, sure.

SPEAKER_01 26:59

If you slow it down, you'll see a blur and you can sell it. You can see the difference.

SPEAKER_03 27:03

Yeah, that's not good.

SPEAKER_01 27:05

Not good. It's a dead tell that you're dead.

SPEAKER_03 27:09

That's a phrase for you to take home and impress your friends.

SPEAKER_01 27:13

Yeah. So what else we got on that?

SPEAKER_03 27:16

If you have an agent, the chances of him just taking off and you never see him again are very low. Very. But what he can do, let's say you win, uh keep the numbers around, like a thousand.

SPEAKER_01 27:26

Thousand.

SPEAKER_03 27:26

Well, he says you only won 800.

SPEAKER_01 27:28

Yeah, because you're going south. I mean, you're hiding the chips. So it's hard as a dealer to keep track of how much he's really got. You can guess at it, but then again, as you said, he go out, go home with, leaves the table with a thousand. You don't know this as a dealer. And he shows up and says, okay, look, we made 700. Here's your cut. That's not good.

SPEAKER_03 27:47

Remember, when you're a dealer moving, you got to number one deal the game. That's the number one thing. If you don't deal the game correctly, you bring in heat.

SPEAKER_01 27:56

Bar and anything else, that's that's rule number one. You got to deal the game no matter what's happening.

SPEAKER_03 28:01

Then you got to do the cheating move.

SPEAKER_01 28:03

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 28:04

And number three, in my opinion, you've got to kind of look bored at the same time. So those are three things you got to do and do damn well. So you don't need a fourth thing trying to keep track of how much money your agent won.

SPEAKER_01 28:18

Yeah, it it's a it's a full-time job just being a dealer under those circumstances.

SPEAKER_03 28:24

When's the last uh got a question for you? When's the last time you dealt blackjack?

SPEAKER_01 28:28

Uh a billion years ago. Okay. Literally, it it has been at least over 30 years ago. Let me put that.

SPEAKER_03 28:35

Okay, now this is not rehearsed. I'm gonna ask you something. I know you're gonna know the total. You got an 876, what is it? 21. Yeah. Because we memorize patterns.

SPEAKER_01 28:45

Yeah, it just you just have that. And so you you've got a lot of work just being a dealer, and then you've got to keep track of what this guy's over here doing. The whole optimal way of doing this is deal the game. It the the agent will take care of himself.

SPEAKER_03 28:58

Yeah, oh yeah.

SPEAKER_01 28:59

You can't you can't worry about it. If you beat him, if he bets big and you you beat him, you can't show any remorse. I mean That's a great point. You can't show emotion that, oh my god, I just lost. Well, if he bets an $800. Okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay. I was notorious for screwing up stacks. Okay. So I would let him know I got a stack, it's he's not on the table. He knows it's coming. So I go through the motions, we cut the cards, deal them out, and I take his money because he lost. Not good. Not good. So, and he puts a good chunk of money out there, and I can't show remorse, saying, Oh shit, I just lost $400 there. You know, that's my end of it. He lost the same $400. But I can't go, oh man, oh, oh, ow, that hurts. You take it like you want it. It's gone. Don't even think twice about it. You know, it's just you it you have to show no emotion.

SPEAKER_03 29:58

You okay. I'm gonna turn myself in here. I'm dealing with the single deck game. Weren't many single decks, so it's popular. And I don't know if it was you or Beamer. One of my agents was waiting. We couldn't move the guy at first base, or I couldn't. I was getting pissed, which absolutely the wrong thing. Right. So I was slamming cards and stuff. I mean, it was bad. And the boss comes up, goes, What's going on? Now I know I gotta come up with something. Yeah. So I this is funny now, but I turned to him and go, my wife just asked me for a divorce. And then they bought it. They bought it. And he goes, Well, you just got to shape up. I go, okay, thank you. Jesus. But I thought, okay, I'm getting my emotions getting the best of me under fire. Now, technically, I wasn't cheating because you weren't at the game, but I was sure as hell doing everything to try to get you to the game to cheat.

SPEAKER_01 30:57

We've gone over a lot of information about working with agents. You've had your agents, I've had my agents, we've played off of each other. Absolutely. So we've seen a very wide variety of different players. But what's interesting about that, we all played the same. Because we all did the same stuff, which is really cool. But the one thing that was high on the list of having agents is trust.

SPEAKER_03 31:20

Absolutely.

SPEAKER_01 31:21

If you don't trust them, it's not going to work. I mean, the last the last thing you need to do is sit there and dump the casino's money and worry if you're going to get your fair share of it. Yeah, if you're going to get beat. I mean, really, I'm doing all the work and he's just sitting there swiping cards. I mean, and I'm only going to get a third of what I gave you? Yes, trust is a big, big issue.

SPEAKER_03 31:47

You know what time it is?

SPEAKER_01 31:49

What time is it? It's shorty time. Fantastic. You got a good story? Yes, I do. Just tell a story about Shorty. I love Shorty Time because this brings back a lot of memories of all the little things that were very amusing through our travels of cheating casinos.

SPEAKER_03 32:04

I mentioned earlier in this episode about Uncle Beamer.

SPEAKER_01 32:07

Uncle Beamer.

SPEAKER_03 32:08

Yeah, older guy who just seems so trusting is the word. Now we'll get into this play more in a future episode, but I came up with a way to stack a double-down hand from a new deck.

SPEAKER_00 32:25

Yes, that's wrong.

SPEAKER_03 32:26

So just the nuts and bolts. I was on swing shift, boss would come in, I would be at a closed game, nobody could play because the boss is going to open the game, and the main thing he's going to do is put a deck of cards down and then go to the next game. So now I know the order of the cards. About the only time I'd ever know. So I developed a way to stack a double down from a new deck order, which is much stronger and safer than a blackjack.

SPEAKER_01 32:55

Yeah, it's right off the top, fresh deck.

SPEAKER_03 32:57

Yeah. So Uncle Beamer comes in. He walks up to the table. He does not, all this is choreograph. He does not sit down, reaches into his pocket and pulls out a stack of hundreds, and let's say it's a thousand dollar table max. Money plays. I shuffle, I keep the stack. He knows how to do the cut. He does the cut. I deal to him. He gets the double down and he's acting like he doesn't want a double down. Again, an act. Goes into his pocket, another thousand. Now he's got $2,000 back. I give him his double-down card. I have a busting hand. And he wins with a 15. So you'd never, ever in a million years think that was a stack. But here's the funny thing Uncle Beamer gets his money, he takes off. The boss comes up to me, real serious. You know who that was? And I'm going, oh my God, please, please, don't make me laugh. I go, no. He goes, that's the number one poker player in Vegas. Uncle Beamer never played a lick of poker in his life.

SPEAKER_01 34:07

He was he was nailed, ID'd.

SPEAKER_03 34:11

So that tells you the boss had absolutely no clue what we were doing.

SPEAKER_01 34:18

Wow, that is that's amazing. Stupid bosses. Oh no, I didn't say that out loud. Let's finish this out with a little magic moment. Okay. Wow us with your prowesses. Yeah, let me just magic.

SPEAKER_03 34:32

You have the deck of shuffle here.

SPEAKER_00 34:36

That's fair.

SPEAKER_03 34:38

I say that a lot. That's fair. I'm gonna start taking cards off the top, and you just tell me when to stop.

SPEAKER_00 34:43

Stop when.

SPEAKER_03 34:44

Now, if the cards were marked, I would know what that card is. But this card, there's no way I can.

SPEAKER_00 34:50

Ah, I know that one.

SPEAKER_03 34:51

You know it?

SPEAKER_00 34:52

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 34:53

Okay. What I'm gonna do is give the cards some cuts and a shuffle. I want you to take the deck and start dealing face down one at a time. Stop when you want. Put the cards down? Do you have any idea how many cards you have?

SPEAKER_00 35:18

No idea.

SPEAKER_02 35:23

Nine cards.

SPEAKER_03 35:26

You stopped on the 11th card. What was your card?

SPEAKER_00 35:29

Seven of eight.

SPEAKER_01 35:34

That's my card. Yeah. That's impressive. You stopped right on your card. I chose the whole thing. That's that's impressive.

SPEAKER_03 35:42

That is actually a force in one of my ebooks, and we'll link to it down below.

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