Robert The Realist
If you would’ve asked me years ago where I’d end up, a podcast wouldn’t have been on the list. I’m Robert. I’ve worked blue-collar jobs, owned businesses, sold insurance, built homes, currently a Realtor and now I help people navigate big life decisions. This podcast is about the stuff you don’t see on socials—the wins, the mistakes, and the lessons that actually matter. No pressure. No pretending. Just real conversations. Let’s go!
Robert The Realist
God Wasn’t Finished (feat. Andrei Serafin) | A story from Brosteni, Romania
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From Brosteni to purpose… this one hits deep. 🇷🇴
While on mission with Bread of Life, Robert sits down with Andrei Thomas Serafin to unpack a story marked by loss, resilience, and calling.
From losing his ability to walk… to holding onto his love for basketball… to feeling the pull to return to the very place he once left behind after adoption—this conversation is raw, real, and unforgettable.
Some stories don’t just inspire you… they change you.
🎧 This is one you feel.
Hey guys, Robert the Realist back here today with another podcast all the way from Brochin, Romania, on a missions trip here at the Bread of Life Ministries. Today I'm sitting with Andre Serafin. That's with an N as a Nancy. I'm gonna let him talk a little bit about when he got here, what happened while he was here, and now what he does while he's currently here. So Andre, introduce yourself. Tell us a little bit about what's going on, a little bit about you.
SPEAKER_00Thanks, Bobby, for having me. Um first time I did a podcast, I was a lot more uh anxious than this time um experience. Um as Bobby said, my name is Andre. I was born in um Botoshan, Romania, in a family that, if you would think of the level of poor, uh they're 10 times under that level. We lived in a house that was falling, the roof was falling down. Uh we were five in a small room, um, much smaller than this. Wow. Um, I lived with three brothers, one sister, and two parents in the same room. All of the children had one bed, and the parents had a bed on the other corner of the room. Um, grandparents had a much larger house, not much larger, but a much um nicer house than us. So at the age of five or six, when I was five or six, um, I came to Bride of Life Ministries in Broshtheny, a children's orphanage at the time. Now it's uh it's a learning center. Me and my brother, my older brother, who now lives in the US, came here and my sister, instead of my parents putting all of us together, my sister moved in with my grandparents so she could go to school so she can learn, she could become a much different person than my parents are and were at the same time. My parents have always been alcoholics, both of them. Um, we've always had problems with alcohol, with drugs, with everything, and they've never been the type of person to have any religious connection in any way, shape, or form with any religion. So obviously, our life as children was a lot different than a regular child should live their life. It was a life of physical abuse, it was a life of um not having food on a daily basis, not having clothes, not having anything, and parents being gone from early in the morning until late at night. And by the time they got home at night, they were already drunk. Uh, after work, they would stop on their way home and drink. And then by the time they got home, they were already drunk, and we just had to take care of ourselves. At the time I was the middle child, one of the middle children were four after me and my brother Levy came to Bread of Life. My mother had another three children with another husband that the state took. The state went in and realized that she wasn't fit to take care of the children. Uh, they requested that the children need to have their own room and a bathroom remodeled so they could have an interior bathroom and a room for them. She refused to do such a thing out of the fact that she only cared about herself and was doing what was better for herself. And then the state came in and took two of the children that are now still in a a uh state orphanage, state house, children's home. And one of the boys, there's three boys, one of the boys had a heart problem that eventually got adopted into another family that's taking care of him. When I came to Bread of Life, I did not know of these other three children. I actually didn't know about them until 2023 or 2024 when I came back here. One of them turned 18 this year. So you can imagine not knowing anything about them, not knowing even that they exist. But I never, since I've been here at Bread of Life, I haven't gone home once to see my parents. I lived here, summer spent here, year-round spent here. Um, and as every child wants and needs is parents. And for me, I always wanted to go home because those were my parents, um, in quotations. And every summer I would wait for my parents to come and get us and bring us home to visit them, and they did not come and get us even once. Wow. Later on, to understand that God helped us and protected us from going back home, uh, from seeing our parents the way they are, from falling into that lifestyle that they have and the lifestyle that they live to this day. A couple of months ago, I got a text message that our father passed away, a biological father passed away. And I was told that he was drunk, fell down, hit his head on the concrete, um, was in a coma for three days and then died. Wow. So alcohol ultimately got his life. My mother is now from hospital to hospital with organ failure from alcohol, and uh from the sounds of it, does not have much longer herself on this herself on this earth with the children that live in the children's home, the state orphanages. I tried to have her sign documents to give me ownership of the children to become my children, basically, and I would take care of them, I would bring them to Bread of Life, I would bring them to Bucharest if they don't want to come to Breath of Life, and I would take care of them, and she refused to that she's not signing any document. This was when while she was on her deathbed. So she's not signing any documents to move the children from where they are right now. So even to this day, in her last months, weeks, days, nobody knows on earth, she still isn't thinking about what's best for the children, but what she can do for herself.
SPEAKER_02Right.
SPEAKER_00But I came to Bread of Life when I had when I was at the age of six at Bread of Life slowly. Obviously, in the beginning, I wanted to go home, see my parents, wanted to be with my parents. And I spent every summer thinking that I would go home and never did. But eventually I started to realize that this was more of a family than my biological family. It was a place where I could call home. It was a place where people uh took care of us, where they had a bed for us, they had a room for us, they had other children to play with, they had um three meals a day, snacks, whatever a child could need. We were able to go to school. So even though at that young age I didn't understand what Bread of Life was doing and why they existed and what the purpose was, because every child wants to be at home with their parents. Later on, I realized that it was them that ultimately protected us from having the same lifestyle as our parents. And obviously, God protected us from ever going back home to them. So I spent all of those five years, six years that I lived at Bread of Life with the children here, became a family with the staff. They became parents, had tutors, we had um a school that's walking distance from the orphanage. You can basically see it from the window of the orphanage. And I never looked back since the moment that I realized that this was more of a home than home where I was born, and this was more of a family than the family that I was born into. At the age of 11, after spending years here, I do want to mention that Bread of Life, even though they don't affiliate themselves with a religious group or anything, they did treat us with a love that was only possible biblically. It was love that they understood from the Bible, and they further put it onto the children. We'd have if we want if we so choose chose to, we'd have biblical programs every Sunday, so we'd understand the Bible. It was thought for children, it was uh music for children, it was them understanding that it isn't them that are doing all these great acts for the children, but it was for God's kingdom that they were taking care of us. But at the age of 11, I thought myself a little bit better than the other people around me. And on a rainy day, chose to go outside and climb a tree. Uh, fell down and broke my spinal cord at T12L1 complete. That means that basically all the nerves were severed, the spinal cord was severed, and we'll never be able to walk again from a uh human perspective. Obviously, from a biblical perspective, that's something completely different. Um, it's all in God's timing, and I do believe that he has a plan, and obviously his plan has been working out. If I do look back at all the things that have happened in my life since the accident, there's nothing that I can put on paper and I can be like, oh, well, this happened because this person did this, or this happened because the other person did that. There are things that cannot be explained in my life with my adoption in the US, and there's things that I can't explain in my life after I chose to come back to Romania after God gave me a clear vision of the life that um I meant to live, a life that serves others instead of myself. And again, after living here, I broke my spinal cord and I went through hospitals. I had an operation done here, a surgery done on my spinal cord in Romania. Unfortunately, with the medical that they have here, it was a surgery that was meant for an adult adult body, and I had 12 years at the time. So the medical rods, the medical titanium rods that they put in my spinal cord were oversized. And every time I would bend down, you'd be able to see that I have medical rods in my back. Afterwards, a family that came to Bread of Life a month before I broke my spinal cord, and I met them while I was physically healthy. I was able to run around and play with other people. Sought the newsletter that Oleen, the director of Bread of Life, sent to the sponsors. And the moment that she saw that, God put on her heart that I am her child. And ever since this, since that day, my mother had fought day and night to bring me to the US on a medical visa to adopt me there, to take care of me there. Obviously, again, this is another one of those things that on paper nothing makes sense. Um, it's only through God that these things were able to happen in my life. And obviously, God had a plan, a much larger plan for me than I could pray for or that I could ask for or um ever imagined that I would be able to have. After I went to the United States, I learned English. When I got there, I didn't even speak one single word in English. And I had to learn English because I got there in May. I got there in the middle of May, and in September I started school. And in order to get to the point of school, I had to know some English at least. So in four months, I learned English fluently to the point where I started forgetting Romanian, my native language. It was very interesting because Aline dropped me off in May. And by the time he came back in August or early September, I was almost unable to speak with him in Romanian because English was so embedded in my mind and I was so focused on learning it that I didn't speak one word in Romanian, and I would rather struggle learning English than speaking in Romanian. So I after that I started school, um, started with basketball. I learned out that it was a natural gift from God to play basketball from the very first practice, from the very first time I got into a basketball wheelchair, I realized that it was a uh natural gift and started putting maximum effort into it, learning it, uh mastering it to the point where it took over almost my entire life. For six years, I would wake up at 5 a.m., go to the gym, go to school afterwards for eight hours, and then go back to the gym for basketball, for training, for everything that I could possibly do to become a better athlete. Wow. Because I thought that was my calling, that was my future, that was what I was meant to do. Unfortunately, when I got to college through basketball, it started going south a little bit because I let the whole spotlight, the whole fame thing get to my head, and it became about me, me, me. I was doing everything for myself instead of the king for the kingdom of God. And I slowly realized that this isn't the life that I'm meant to live. My family, after they went through all of these um crazy things, to say the least, to adopt me, to take care of me, to put me through school, to put me through um basketball. I was pretty much throwing that life away to have a life of party, a life of um drinking and uh smoking and doing everything that somebody with a spotlight on them would do instead of using it for the kingdom of God. And slowly I realized that basketball without basketball, I wouldn't be where I'm at today. But basketball was only for a season of my life. That gift was only there for me to get to a certain point, to a certain level, and then it was time for me to change my life a little bit and go away from basketball and start realizing and slowly when I came back in 2023, I realized that God called me back to Romania. And summer of 2024, I came to Romania for six months. So after not wanting to come back at all for 10 years, I came back for six months to live here, volunteer with Bread of Life, the ministry that I grew up, the orphanage that I grew up in. And I realized that God can use me and has been using me more in this than has ever used me through the whole basketball um season of my life. So I moved to Romania in 2024, and I now live here with Bread of Life helping them from anything from marketing to starting small businesses for the children that graduated from the program and are still looking for a place to work or a community to be a part of. So with Bread of Life, for certain for the right now, I think we have four projects that we're working on for small businesses where the children that went through the program or that are still part of the program will be running those businesses, doubly learning, finance management work, and still be able to be part of our Christian hub that we have with Breath of Life. Besides that, I also am involved in the church here, part of the media team, part of the live streaming team here, just so I have a connection with the church and so I can be able to be an example for the other children within Bread of Life and for the other children in the church. Instead of me just telling them what would be good, I chose to rather show them, do as I do, not as I say, basically. So I've been I've been beyond blessed to be back with Bread of Life, beyond blessed to have a family in the US that adopted me, a family that took care of me for all those years, and a family that still supports everything I do to this day. And I'm able to go back home and visit them wherever I'm able to come to Romania and work and work, volunteer. I don't work here, I just volunteer my time. I've been blessed to be able to do that and not require a salary from anybody. And again, all of this has been done through the power of God, clearly. And ever since the day that I realized that this is more than just for myself, and more than just for my fame and my name. I realized that life is much more beautiful than it was before, even with basketball, even though I love the sport, even though I was good at it, um, I realized that things are only seasonal in your life, and God's put God put you through um certain trials and is able to build you up from those trials and is able to use you for his kingdom and his floor.
SPEAKER_01So yeah. And as you guys can tell, we're at the orphanage. So if you hear a little background, in the background children screaming.
SPEAKER_00Which is perfect. We're in a conference room right next to the stairs where they run up and down.
SPEAKER_01Now that's um, you know, I didn't know I knew some of this testimony. I knew none of the basketball.
SPEAKER_00Did you talk about that when you came to our church? I didn't. For those that don't know, I met Bobby first time in Romania last year. Last year, yeah. And after that, I came to Family Life Fellowship to speak about Bread of Life and be able to share with other people what Bread of Life is doing, what they did in my life, what they're doing in the life of the children. That we now have almost a hundred children uh between the two programs, the one here and the one in Bucharest. But I didn't speak about the basketball. I thought it was more important for people to hear the the life of the children and what they're doing, but it is part of my life and it's part of what got me here today. So yeah, it's it's very interesting when I look back on things. I tried one time to put everything on paper and to justify everything that happened in my life. And after the first six things that are were unjust, they were unable to justify how we got there, I kind of gave up and threw away the paper because there's things that you can't there's they're unexplainable.
SPEAKER_02Yeah.
SPEAKER_00There is no, I mean, for me to come to the US, a doctor had to sign a piece of a medical piece of paper that said, basically said that for this child I am responsible medically, and our company will take care of him medically and we'll be able to provide for him. That doctor had nothing to do with our family, had nothing to do with anybody in our circle, was just a doctor that heard the story. Oh wow, and uh contacted my parents. No doctor would have ever wanted to sign that.
SPEAKER_02Yeah.
SPEAKER_00My mom went to all the doctors of the family everywhere, and they said it's such a large thing to ask, such a big thing to ask, and it's such a liability for them that no doctor will ever sign it. Wow. And a random doctor that to this day, if there's anything, I've had things that I needed basically next hour. Um when I just called the doctor and he's always been there, he's always signed everything that I needed, and he's always looked at things. It was clearly God that put him there. Well, yeah. It was clearly God that had him sign that piece of paper because nobody needs he had no way of knowing who we are, no way of um orthodoxers are saying.
SPEAKER_01That's that's wild. I mean, just kind of you call them seasons, I call them chapters. Chapters, seasons, yeah, yeah, same thing. Hearing you know, my testimony, which I kind of I've kind of put bits and pieces out there on in in the podcast myself, but kind of thought my life was tough growing up. But listening to yours, and I know I had bits and pieces of that too. I didn't hear about the basketball thing. I kind of didn't, I guess I must have missed the part where the parents got the newsletter. Your parents now got their hands now. Yeah, the newsletter that that still goes out.
SPEAKER_00They got a uh a prayer request as we send Bobby's one on one or the groups that we send updates to with prayer requests as things are happening within the ministry. And it was just a prayer request that went to the partners in the US the same way that we send to this day, and that's what started it all. That nudge. Yeah. From that's it it was wild because in that moment when my mom read that, she heard God say that this is your child. Yeah. And she didn't stop to this day. And then the following day, my mom told my dad, I feel that God called us for this to be our child. And my dad, without saying anything, went and started building a ramp in the garage so I could get a house without without knowing if it was possible for me to get to the US first. And he knew, and without him knowing how life would be. I had the surgery redone there properly. So it's it's crazy what faith can do out of a person when they listen to God's word. I've experienced it in my life many times. Um, you know, there's there's a lot that God has done, and I'm sure he's going to continue to do too through me for other people, the same way that he used other people to get me to where I'm at today.
SPEAKER_01Well, I'm hoping that you've hit the low point of that, and now we're it's just on and upwards, you know. I mean, you'll have some praying. Yeah, we'll keep that praying that away. I mean, there's peaks and valleys, right? So there's gonna be ups and downs, and being my age, obviously you get to been through quite a few peaks and valleys. But yeah, your testimony is crazy. I mean, it's really, it's really unique. I don't know if I'll ever come across it again. And honestly, when I was sitting down, I said I wanted to sit down with you and record this podcast, which we've been trying all day, and the devil's been pushing it back and pushing it back. So we got to learn patience in that part. But man, I'm glad I did because I didn't know all this, and now it's it's gonna be out there, and I think it's amazing.
SPEAKER_00And I'm glad we got to do it in English. Last one was in Romanian. Yeah, it's a lot harder for me to express things in Romanian. Yeah. Because again, I had to relearn the language or I had to reclick to me the language after I got here. So uh yeah, but I'm glad we're able to do this. I'm glad we're um we had the time to sit down and uh record.
SPEAKER_01So you're a true inspiration, man. You should you should uh you should know that if you don't already. You know, I mean it's one thing to watch me or I'm watching you interact with. The kids and interact with the staff. And then I mean you would just think you all are a great big family, but I also have to put out there on the uh out there too is that you're not getting paid to do this. Yeah. That's a lot. It is.
SPEAKER_00I mean, you know, I God's taking care of everything, yeah, which is crazy to think about. Um, but God's taking care of everything through programs that exist in the US, through the programs that I'm able to be here. And also my family's out always been a big support if anything's ever happened. They've always been there for me, they've always helped me out. Thank God that there hasn't been situations in which they had to take money out of the their pocket to help me be here. Besides this, I still have a job at her family's company. Yeah. Right. Um, when I when I'm in the US, I'm I still do part of the marketing for them and things like that. But I've been beyond blessed not to require Breath of Life to pay any of my expenses, anything that I want and need. God has covered all of it.
SPEAKER_01And you wouldn't know that unless you just told me that. Yeah. Yeah. Which is which it's it's hard to find people like that to do that.
SPEAKER_02Yeah.
SPEAKER_01You know, to to, I mean, you just you would think you're part of the staff, you're plugged in with everything that they do. We've had phone calls, yeah, text messages about business stuff. I mean, you're like plugged in basically. I mean, Aline's kind of right-hand man. I mean, I guess he would say that too if if you asked him. So, man, that is crazy. No, you're that's yeah, this is actually more than I expected it to be. So um, yeah, bread of life is this is my second time here. I don't think I could live in Romania, but I love the kids. I love the I love the area. It's beautiful.
SPEAKER_00You and Aline are just rock stars, super nice, great guys, always a great team on the between the children's home here where we're at and transition programming book rest for our young adults. It's been it's been a lot of people that uh, as Aline says, wear a lot of different hats. Yeah, and every day something gets thrown at you. Every day there's a new thing that comes up, and somebody has to pick up the hat and do that job and then return to their daily tasks. And um, as I said, we started implementing different programs that required a lot of time and effort, yeah. Um, besides the 10 hours a day that George and Aline use as their ministry work. So, besides that, throwing things at them that it's not part of their job description, but they understand that it needs to get done, and they understand that we do it for other people instead of ourselves. So it's always been awesome to see, even as teams come in, the encouragement where we have breakfast with the teams. Um, yesterday, Pastor Brad spoke about encouragement and doing things for other people. So it's it's always been awesome to have that and to again have a team that as things get thrown at us, as things get changed, we've always adapted and we've always been there one for the other, and we've always helped one another out.
SPEAKER_01And um and we're just talking about a fraction of what you all do. Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_00And that's that's that's just the stuff in the this part of the stuff in Romania, but we do things in Ukraine, Moldova, Turkey with humanitarian aid. Um we have feeding centers all over Romania. We have partners in Ukraine that receive food from us, that kind of get the food themselves from our warehouse. Um we have we we have so many things that sometimes unless you have a piece of paper in front of you, yeah, it's hard to go through all of them. But there's things that happen on a daily basis for all of those.
SPEAKER_01And then the other thing too, uh you caught me. You said you'd only been here since 24. I came here in 25. I would have guessed that you'd been there for like 10 years. Yeah.
SPEAKER_00Like doing what you're doing. That was that was a blessing because we've had people that have tried to move to Romania before to do exactly what I'm doing with Red of Life. And after a few months or maximum of a year, they don't click with anybody here. They don't um get involved with anything because they either don't know the language or if they know the language, their family just don't get into a circle that they can be part of. But for me, from the very first day I had my people, I grew up with most of these people that now some of them work for Bread of Life, yeah, and the other ones do volunteer at Bread of Life in their free time. So that's also a blessing to see. But I've I already had a family here. I just wasn't part of it until 24. Just took a 10-year break from this family. And when I got back, it was um from the very first day that you know we um started talking and we started doing things together, and we realized that we had the same goal and the same mission. And since that day, and it's hard for me sometimes to go to the US when there's so many things going on here. And then I get to the US and I have so many things going on there with work, and then I'm it's hard for me to come back here sometimes, so it's always the back and forth. But again, I've been blessed to have a family that supports all of that and is able to help with all of that, and they understand that my heart is here as much as it's there with them, and they've never had an issue with me traveling back and forth as much as needed, as much as they need me to be at home. Tuesday needs at the company, or they need to be at home, me to be at home to spend time with them um and travel with them a little bit, you know, just go out to dinner sometimes with mom. And she's been there for me always. I've been through ups and downs, a lot of downs. She's been there. She's always tried to get me on the right path when um I stepped away from church when I started going to college with alcohol. She's always been there for me, she's always uh taking care of me when I wasn't able to, as I was a child, and I was learning to take care of myself. She was more than a parent should have to go through, especially adopting a 12-year-old child in a wheelchair that at the time wasn't even able to go to the bathroom myself, wasn't even able to get into the car myself, wasn't able to dress myself. She's always been there for me.
SPEAKER_02Wow.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, yeah. Yeah. So it's hard to put into words the things that she's done for me, things my dad has done for me. It's very hard to put into words, and I could spend days talking about it. So um, but yeah, it's always it always comes down to the family and uh the way God used them to get me to the point where I'm at today, and then from this point forward uses me to do things for other children that are the age that I was when I broke my spinal cord.
SPEAKER_01So yeah. Yeah, just crazy. Yeah, crazy good. Yeah, yeah. I do appreciate you sitting down. Absolutely. I mean, I do I want to ask one question, one more question. Final question. If you had the choice United States or here, where would you want to be? Now we're not gonna say because of mom or Eileen, just just where we're just no, I I'd live in Romania.
SPEAKER_00Okay, I'd live in Romania because this is where the mission is. This is where my um heart is for the mission. Yeah. Um, in the US, it's more strictly business and family, but here is where the heart is, where um God called me to be. This is the vision that I had in 2024 when I was here that I was living in Romania and I was doing exactly what I'm doing today with Bread of Life. That was the vision, and this is where I feel called to be, and above family, above friends, above money, business. Yeah, I was gonna say external calling of God. So if you went home, pretty good life. Yeah, very good life. Very good life, very good life. Yeah. My brother at 22 battle house has a car, has everything he needs. Unfortunately, he's still uh God is still working on his heart. Yeah, we're praying to uh praying for him to you know for his heart to change, but he lives a really good life. Yeah, I'm very happy for him. He's very happy with the life that he lives. Um he comes here and visits, and I'm very happy when he he comes and visits. I go home, I visit him. There's we've always been together at home and then together at the orphanage and now together in the US, adopted the same family. Um so it's that's another crazy, crazy part of my life.
SPEAKER_01So we might have to get into that sometime too. We just it's just if people this is the testimony and and to know that you know, if you went home, you know, or here, I I guess you'd have to come here to see that it's not, you know, glitz and glamour and sports cars or nice big houses or things like that. So, you know, when you say here, it's a it's a true calling of God's word that put you here. Yeah, and that's why you're here. And it shows.
SPEAKER_00Yeah. I chose to listen to that above my things that I wanted to do in life. Yeah, because I had the dream of sports sports cars, big houses, and to get whatever I wanted, the freedom uh in quotations to do whatever I wanted. But God worked on my heart, changed my heart, and uh I'm now able to help change other people's hearts.
SPEAKER_01And even if you go down just to the you being in the wheelchair part of it. I mean I don't live in the US versus yeah where um going down the stairs, I go in my wheelchair down the stairs.
SPEAKER_00Yeah. Um backwards. Backwards. Yeah. Um, these are all things that I had to learn since I've gotten here. Yeah.
SPEAKER_01Um, so so I mean there's a there's a there's a big calling here that is. You know, you could be wheelchair accessible everywhere in the States, but here it's yeah, it's it's not yet. Um it's but it's to me, it just shows the bigger picture of why you're here versus there and how much say quote unquote easier it could be there, but you're still gonna be here because this is where God's called you to be.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, on paper life was easier there. Um but in the heart life was much harder then. Um so it was it was obviously a clear choice for me whenever I had to choose between that and this, and I understood that it came with medical risks, I understood that it came with um a much harder day-to-day life. Um, but I chose to do this because again, it was a calling of God, and yeah, I won't ever turn back from it as I did before. Anything else you want to add? Not really. I'd encourage encourage everybody that's listening to listening to what God is telling you to do. Pray for things that you want, but understand that God does those things on his time the way he did it on my uh for me on his time. Um, and I still believe that there's things that he's yet to do in my life and through me. So never get discouraged if you pray for things for 10 years, yeah. Um, and they never happen. And I say that God always has a bigger picture.
SPEAKER_01So I love it, guys. I I love it. I love this kid. He's he's a great guy, he's a great, I'll say kid because I'm older, but he's not a kid. But um, you know, I love this, I love the group here, I love the team here. Obviously, I made the trek back this year. I'll probably come back every year and I'm trying to, you know, get in and be involved as much as I possibly can from where I'm at, whether it's just conversations or or financially, you know, whatever it is. Uh I love the newsletters, get them, read them, look at them, go, hey, I know that kid, or hey, I know that guy, or hey, I've seen this person. So yeah, so yeah, just like he said, guys, just just continue to pray. God'll move mountains, he'll put you where you need to be. He's moved some mountains for this guy. And I appreciate him taking the time today to meet with me. So we're gonna get back out there and uh he'll probably get back to work and I'll go wrestle with some kids and uh then we'll go to dinner. So appreciate Chandra. Perfect. Thank you so much. I appreciate it. Robert the realist out.