Tested, Tried, and Transformed (Prt. 2) | Feat. Jay

In this episode, Jay opens up about one of the hardest seasons of his life—stepping away from church, battling health concerns, and facing moments that tested everything.

He shares what it felt like to be distant from God, the weight of those decisions, and a powerful, life-altering experience that gave him a glimpse of hell—shifting his perspective forever.

This conversation is raw, honest, and heavy—but it’s also filled with truth, redemption, and the reality that no one is ever too far gone.

Even in the darkest moments, there’s still a way back.

🔥 This is Part 2 of Jay’s story.

PS. The ending didn't get recorded because the recording stopped prematurely.

Transcript

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Hey guys, Robert the Realist back today with my co-host Madison. Hi Madison.

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Hello.

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How are you?

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Good. How are you?

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Good. It's good to see you.

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Good to see you too.

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What do you got coming up? Some new songs, some new cuts?

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Uh hopefully. Hoping that will uh hoping that will happen soon.

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Okay.

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Have some church originals soon, I hope.

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Keep sending me uh keep sending me your music so I can pray over it. We can get you going. We have our special guest back today, Jay. He's gonna come back with part two, hot and heavy. He said he's bringing bringing it. It might even be part three, but he's gonna pick up where he left off last time, which last time we were just doing what we could to make sure that we even could talk in it because we were just mesmerized by the story. So we've been excited about uh part two. So we'll get we'll get I don't feel bad about missing last week, man. It was kind of there's a hanger. I know it's a hanger, it's terrible.

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We had to put Bobby on the spot.

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Yeah, they just they just drilled me with questions. That's all right. Them and ChatGPT did. ChatGBT. The cooling towers are real. Yeah, they were burning water. Burning water. Man. Yeah, I was sitting in here, I'm like, so it's gonna ask me, and then neither of them had any questions ready. So all I heard was click, click with their fingernails. Chat, I said no, start recording right now. I'm gonna catch your your little hype.

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Gia was on it.

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Gia was just clicking away. You're a great Do you know how like the original questions? They both just went blank. Yeah, there it is. Yeah. Yeah, so that's what I got to deal with last week. I appreciate you skipping. I'm sorry. No, it's all good. We need to know that too. So, Jay. Yeah. Mike's all yours, man.

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Well, I think we left off last time at part one was where I think I got the Holy Spirit, and I believe it was at that church. I remember that. Um, and I believe it was kind of where let's see here. That was I remember Joyce. I was talking about the story of Joyce Eccles Touching Me and that, this and that. So that's where I'm gonna kind of go to. Um, you know, after we left that church, after I got the Holy Spirit at that point in time, we had we had left that church and found a new church in Dolphin, Missouri called West Point Pentecostal. And this church was on fire. I mean, it is absolutely rocking. We've been there so much, we stayed there so many years until we finally moved up here to, you know, where we live now up here in Mowbergly. When I went to that church, kind of the the same kind of things was happening to me. You know, there was a voice speaking to me all the time. And I just, you know, I I knew it had to be an angel, I knew it had to be been God, I knew it had to be in somebody telling me what to do. So here I am in this church. You know, it's a I won't say a mega church, you know, it's probably about the size of the church y'all go to at FFL. You know, it it may be a little bigger, but so I'm up there, you know, and we're going to church. And, you know, you don't can't know everybody at church. You know, you shake hands here and then you see people, but you don't know their names. You know, and we're up here worshiping, you know, the church is really hitting it hard that day. And I just had something telling me these words that said MS. And I kept saying, What is MS? And it went on and went on and went on. Of course, Rachel was a you know, R N at the time. And I looked at her, I said, Rachel, what is MS? She said, Multiple scrozes. And it was telling me of a guy down there. I didn't know his name. I just remember, and it just kept, I kept looking at him. I was like, Well, what is going on? I said, I'm gonna make a fool out of myself today. I this is no way this is real. And I was just learning this thing, you know, because I just freshly got the Holy Spirit. It just was different. So I said, Rachel, after service, I said, I gotta go down there and talk to this guy. She goes, Are you serious? I said, I have to. So I ran down the stairs after service, got down there and shook his hand. I said, Hey, I'm so-and-so. He goes, Yeah, I've seen you here at church. I said, Now, I don't know you, I don't you don't know me, right? He's no, I've just seen you in here. I said, I gotta ask you something really personal. I said, I've been sitting up top, something's been telling me something. I gotta know what it means to you. I said, What does the what does the words or the letters MS mean to you? And man, he just sat back. I mean, this guy, you know, he's was in his 30s and he looked at me real funny and I was like, what is it? And he goes, he goes, how, how do you know this? And I said, I'm just telling you, something kept telling me. He said, the church doesn't even know this. Nobody knows it. He said, we just got back from the doctor last week. He goes, I've been diagnosed with multiple sclerosis. I said, what? He said, yeah, he said, Jared, no one knows. Only our family knows. I said, and then I knew his name by then. I said, Riley, I said, what, what does it what am I supposed to do for you? I said, we're we're I mean, I'm fresh into this. I'm like, what am I supposed to do? Am I supposed to lay hands on you? Am I supposed to pray for you? What am I supposed to do? And he goes, I don't know. So we just broke down right there in church and prayed. I said, I don't know what I can do for you. I'm not, you know, I'm I'm not a theological pastor or anybody. What he was saying, I've been to seminary school or nothing. I was like, I don't know what to do. And so we just prayed, you know, and we continued to go to that church there, and these things just kept happening, you know, it just it it was just that discernment, I guess, is what I learned that it was, you know, it was just a weird feeling you get, but it was like the a voice speaking to you. So we like I said, we kept going to this church, and then I was telling the story, you know, you guys with my wife's background being Catholic, you know. So she gets down there, you know, at this church, and she gets the Holy Ghost, you know, and to see this woman speak in tongues and to get on fire for God, you know, it was just incredible to let to see that background of someone, and you know, people who, you know, I'm not knocking, don't get me wrong who's listening to Catholic religion, but anybody that knows the Catholics don't do that stuff. Right. It's different, it's completely different. So for her to get that Holy Spirit and go through what I got and be, man, it was just it was an awesome thing, you know. And so we did this for a while, and I don't really know exactly what happened. Um, some things started going on. I don't know if it was just maybe life got involved. I don't know what happened. I know my mom got cancer at the time, you know, and was rediagnosed with cancer. And I think maybe I kind of let some anger come into my life, you know. I was kind of pulling back from church, you know, I was just doing other things, and I'll never forget stuff started to happen to me. God started speaking to me. And when I say speaking to me, it was really getting my attention. Oh, this one moment that I'm gonna get into is I was in bed one night, you know, I was asleep. God came to me in a dream. And it was a like, I only think I can imagine is when the Israelites was walking through the desert and they sent this tornado because that's what he came to me in. It was like smoke, but it was swirling smoke, and it was just it was on fire smoke. And I will never forget he grabbed me and said, Wake up, spiritually wake up, not wake up out of bed, wake up and was shaking me. I woke up, guys, and this is no joke, out of bed. My wife woke up seeing me do this. It was like a poltergeist deal. I was elevated out of bed. Oh my gosh, not my hips, just my chest, and I was being shook. And that's what woke her up. She thought I was, I guess, having a seizure or something. I didn't know what it was. She's like, Jerry, what are you doing? And I woke up from it, I said, Oh my God, Rachel. I said, God just grabbed me and he said, Wake up. I said, It's because we're not living the way we're supposed to be. We we backslid a little bit. I said, We've got to get back in church. We've got to get back in church. And I mean, I was like, what is happening? And those things kept going on with me. And, you know, just having that momentum for God, you know, and trying to get back in place. Because we're all flesh. I'm not gonna sit here and tell you we none of us do this life perfect. Right. We can't. We're we're not designed to do this life perfect. You know, that's why we have to have a new body when we leave this place. Because even our bodies here aren't allowed to even, you know, that's why we get new bodies when we go to heaven. Because our these are these are temporary vessels. Right. So, you know, even though we were created in in his image, we still aren't quite there. So, you know, this started going on. We kept going to church, you know, and and things like that were happening. And so we were there at, you know, our farmhouse where where all this was happening, taking place. And um I kind of started getting sick to my stomach. And I was wondering, you know, what's going on? Because you know, I had that thing when I was younger where I was talking about being healed. Right. It was kind of the same thing coming. And I thought, man, I have brought this on myself, you know, for maybe an outliving right or backsliding or whatever. And uh I said, uh, I'm hurting, I can't really eat anymore. So Rachel's like, man, we need to go to the doctor. And so I went to the doctor and she's touching on me, you know, and said, Hey, you know, I'm kind of thinking you might maybe have some cancer, stomach cancer or something. You know, she's, you know, you kind of got signs of it, you know. And she goes, I don't want to scare you. She was we need to go get a scope ran down you. So, you know, they sent me to go get a scope ran down. I mean I don't, you know, this is the this is the moment that changed my life. Seriously changed my life. So I go to this doctor, they start prepping me for everything, you know, and you know, you tell your wife, you know, and your mom, and my mom's wife was there with me, and I said, okay, I was nervous about it, you know, going in there and under in a long time. And uh they put me out, and that's when life changed for me. I will never forget, as soon as my eyes shut, I was took from this earth and I was placed somewhere where I never thought I was gonna go. God, Jesus, however you're gonna say it, sent me to hell. Now, people say, well, how do you go to hell if you don't die? I don't know. It's a spiritual deal. I don't, I can't explain it. Whether it's a spirit, God can do anything. So I was sent straight down. And when I tell you, it is the most awful thing. It's not like movies like Constantine or play things you see were hell, you know, just burning. You know, it's not like that. It is the innermost cavernous of the earth, you know, and that may be where hell is, it may be in the center of the earth, but that's what it looked like. It was cavey, it had outcroppings, and on these outcroppings were demons. And these demons were of the nastiest things you've ever seen. They were faces of men, but not faces of men. They look like beasts, they had claws, they had just they're they look like garguls, but also like men. But I was falling, and this is what I don't understand. You know, people might think, well, hell's this place where you're just there and you're I was falling the whole time. Spinning and falling. So have you ever had that dream where you're sick at your stomach, you know, you're falling out of a slide or something the whole time. And these demons are slapping me and spinning me and cursing me and telling me how worthless I am. And I will never forget the feeling of my skin being ripped. My skin would rip when they'd hit me with their claws. And you would you, you would the pain was incredible. And the the feeling of the helplessness. I couldn't get out of there. I mean, you're falling and you're they're laughing and spinning and calling you every name in the book. And I will never forget looking at the wounds they put on me and hurting so bad. And then they healed, and then they just continue to do it the whole time. The whole time. You it was, I think that is maybe the the gnashing of the teeth that you that you hear in the Bible, because that's all I could do. I could just grind and I could all grind my teeth, and I thought to myself, you've done this to yourself. You you you've you've made the bed and you're lying in it now. You're in hell. This is what hell is. You didn't live the way you were supposed to, and now you're paying for it. And guys, there was no way to get out. That feeling of helplessness alone. There's no one else there with you. There's no other sounds. It's you falling, it's you burning, it's you going through that. And, you know, this went on the whole time I was under. And I'll never forget coming to. It was just like I was sucked out of there. And I'll never forget that feeling of when I got pulled out of there, was like Christ reached down with his own hand and pulled me out. I was like, oh my God, I'm out of here. It was, it was just the feeling of I survived something. You know, I'm it's it's over, you know. And I woke up and I immediately looked at the nurse, you know, you're coming too. And I looked at her and I snapped right out of it. I didn't have any like lagging or anything. I said, What happened to me? And she said, What do you mean? I said, Did I die? First thing I asked her, I said, ma'am, did I die? And she looked at me real funny. I said, Did something happen? Did y'all have to, did I have my blood pressure drop? Did I, did I start going down? What happened? And she just looked at me real funny. I said, Go get my mom and go get my wife right now, please. They come in there and I'm bawling. I mean, I am bawling. I mean, I couldn't even hardly talk. They come in there and they're like, What's wrong with you? I'm like, guys, I just got sent to hell. And my mom's like, what? And Rachel, my wife was like, What are you talking about? I said, Rachel, I've just had another vision. I said, I was sent to hell. I said, I mean, sent to hell. And I I was explaining it to him and I was like, get me out of here. Yeah, I said, you gotta get me out of here right now. I mean, I was ripping, I was ripping uh needles out. I was doing everything. I said, Get me out of here right now. I was freaking out. And I got, I said, we got to get out of here. I got to explain this to somebody. And I got out there and talked to him about it. I said, what do I do? I mean, I mean, what do we do? And she's like, Well, Jared, you're gonna have to talk to the pastor. You're gonna have to, you know, and and so I tried to. Man, I tried to talk to multiple pastors, and I was scared to even tell anybody this story. And they looked at me like I was a like an alien. And I was like, even after I told them the story, they just was like, oh, huh? And just kind of like looked at me funny, no questions, no, nothing, no, like, oh my gosh, let's talk about this, or let's nothing. And I was like, so I'd go back home and say, Rachel, I'd take off on the pastor or I'm messing up with a pastor, and nobody's wanting to hear me. Nobody's offering me any advice. I said, Am I crazy? Did it happen to me? And I kept going with this for a couple months, and I didn't want to tell anybody else. I just sucked it in. It was like, okay, it's fake. It was just, it was just a dream. And I thought that until one night. Rachel went to work. She worked third shift. I'm there at the farm by myself. It's about 1:32 in the morning. I didn't like being there by myself. It just, you know, you're out in the country, you're just scary. You didn't have no way around.

SPEAKER_02 14:17

Yeah.

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I'm sitting there and I'm watching all of a sudden I put on TV and the Bible network. Well, on there, there's a black minister and another guy, and he's telling his story. All of a sudden, he tells his story about having an aneurysm. His wife's taken to the hospital. He felt funny. He said, All of a sudden, I'm in the ICU, you're not I see you, the mercy room. He goes, All of a sudden, I'm out of my body. He goes, I'm watching them work on me. He said, I've had aneurysm, I'm dying. He goes, Well, here I am. That's my life. And he says, I'm just watching them work on me. I'm dead. He goes, Well, all of a sudden, I thought I'm gonna go to heaven. I've been a preacher for 25 years, he said. He said, I didn't go to heaven. He said, I went down. And Bobby, the confirmation, and it must have been God confirming something to me. Right. Because he absolutely described everything that I seen to a T. I mean the demons, the fallen, the the shadows of the fire. You didn't see fire, you seen the like almost like you're in a cave and the fire is in the corner. You see some of the red hitting the rocks. He described it to a oh my god, I got chills. He described it to a T. I was like full. I've been looking for this on YouTube. They say everything's on the internet forever. Well, I can't find it. But I've been looking for this man. I cannot remember his name. I wanted to replay it again. I called my mother. I was literally out of my skin, tripping after I watched this guy explain everything to me. I said, Oh my gosh, I've it's been confirmed. You're not crazy. Yeah, it happened. I called my mother at 2 a.m. This is I wake her up. She's like, What are you doing calling me? I said, Mom, it happened. She said, What do you mean? I said, remember my story? She said, Yeah. I said, I just got done watching this man. He was a black minister on television. He literally explained it, mom, to the T. Everything that I seen, everything that I went through, the whole thing was literally exact, Mom. And she said, Jared, that's just confirmation. And so I was like, oh my gosh, you know, that it happened. And I I will just never forget that feeling. And, you know, and people like, people ask me now, well, you know, because you know, again, I I don't do everything right. You know, things slip out of my mouth, you know. I I I I sometimes say things I shouldn't say and do some things I shouldn't do.

SPEAKER_01 16:34

We all do.

SPEAKER_00 16:34

But amen. But to be shown that, and to I know now, you know, because I always thought, well, you know, we have to go on faith, which is what I said in the first part. We have to live on faith. We're we don't get to see what the the the prophets got to see or the apostles and who walked with Jesus. We're all on faith, you know. And to to see the stuff that that I was shown, that lets me know it's real. So anybody that's listening to this, if you have any doubts, I've been there. I'm not, I have like I said, I have no money to make off this. I have nothing but but embarrassment. Anybody ever looked at me like I was just just crazy to tell these stories? And this is the first time I went public with these stories. I would love to go to places and tell these stories. I would love for people to see me and ask me questions and travel around and go to churches. You should. And I would love it. If someone would do it, I would do it. I want, and that's what I kept telling my wife. I said, there's got to be something more in my life and this story and what I've been showed than just keeping it in here. I love bringing people to God. I love bringing children to God. I love bringing family members and people and friends. I don't know how many people that I brought to Jesus got baptized and got them to church and got them just, you know, getting feeling the love that God's got for us. I mean, and and so, you know, it changed my life spiritually. It and it is a fear every single day. It's a fear that am I living right? Because I do not want to go back to that place I was in. Anybody that's listening, you do not want to go there. Hell is not. It's not a game, it's not ice creams and and circuses down there. I'm telling you, it's forever. If you don't want to think about forever, forever is ever and ever, and it never ends. You can either live, you know, you can act like, you know, here's here's how I always tell people if you live like there's a heaven and there isn't, you didn't lose anything. That's right. But if you live like there is no heaven and there is, you've lost it all. Yep. That's it. There's no makeup, one life, no redoos.

SPEAKER_01 18:37

That's it.

SPEAKER_00 18:38

So I try to tell people that. So I will go into this telling you this one last story, and this is the hopeful story of this. So after that happened to me, a few more months or years, I can't get exactly get you a time frame. Same house, same deal. I'm laying in bed, I'm watching my wife in the kitchen cook. We could see straight through the kitchen from the bedroom. Took again, just like that. Just watching TV and gone. I'll never forget this. I was with my brother and we were with another guy. We were had a our painting crew. It was weird that I was with this guy because he was an atheist. And he he he just he never never nothing about Christianity. He was from California, and he just didn't care. He was just nothing about, he didn't want to hear nothing about the Lord. He was just totally against it. So he know he was there in this vision, and my brother was there. And anytime there's a blue sky day like there is right now, I always think this could be the last day because of what happened. We were standing there around a pickup truck, done for the day, and I'll never forget the sky was just beautiful blue, no cloud in it. All of a sudden, I heard almost if you heard a sonic boom, something like an earthquake.

SPEAKER_02 19:52

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 19:53

It it did that. It was just the whole earth shook. And the guy from California goes, Oh man, that's an earthquake. And all of a sudden, I looked up to the sky and I seen Jesus coming back on his horse. If you've ever seen a supercell blow, like a supercell in the sky, you know, when it's forming a thunderstorm, it just mushrooms just keeps getting bigger. That's how it started. I looked up, this big poof just blew up towards the earth, and there was Christ in the center of it on his horse, coming back. And I looked at him, I looked at my brother and looked at him. I said, No, it's not an earthquake. I said, This is the day the Lord comes back to redeem this earth. And all of a sudden, all three of us hit our knees and bowed our heads, just like the Bible says, every knee will bow and every tongue will confess that I am Lord. Even the atheist hit his knee, my brother hit his knee, I hit my knee, and sure enough, that was the last day. I don't know why Christ showed me that. I have no clue. That's the last vision I've had was Him coming back for us at the very end. And it was, and every single day that, like right now, I look out here and I see that loose sky with no clouds. I think today it could be the last day. I'm waiting to feel that earth shake. I'm waiting to hear that boom in the sky. I'm waiting to hear them trumpets.

SPEAKER_02 21:16

Or all gonna be now.

SPEAKER_00 21:17

So that I'm I've been waiting for years for that to happen. I'm not saying I want to die, but I'm waiting for that last day. Because I'm gonna tell you something. I would rather push that button and leave here today and go to heaven all day long than go to where I was sent.

SPEAKER_01 21:33

Right.

SPEAKER_00 21:34

So if that's what happens, I'm all for it. But for to be able to be shown all these visions and all these things and to have all this put on my life. Why do I get it? I don't know. I was always told by Joyce Eccles and that lady that I was always anointed. They always said, Jared, there's a purpose through your life. I feel it. We all feel it. For some reason, I don't understand, I can't explain it. Maybe it's just God's will that He's allowed. Me to see all these things. I can't explain it. I don't know. I'm no better than any man that's here on earth, but I will just tell you, I've been given these visions and I've been showed these things. Whether it's to minister to people, hey, I'm all for it. If it's to be an evangelist, I'll be a Jimmy Swagger all day long. I'd have to go to seminary school. I will preach to people all day long if that's what it takes. I mean, I want to save people. I want to make the devil madder than at a baptism. I mean, I want him mad. I don't want people to be lost in this world. There is something after this life. You just have to realize it and seek it and get ready. Because you don't know when today could be your last.

SPEAKER_02 22:42

Yeah. I got a couple of follow-up questions. And you said it, and I wanted to see what you if you were to repeat it again. You you when you were talking about this happening. Yes. You said God did this. Yes.

SPEAKER_00 23:01

You think God sent you put you there? He had to have. Who else would have done it? Who else has the power to do that? You know, Christ went to hell what after his crucifixion for three days to get the keys of life and death from Satan? Right? To be able to have the pathway for us. I don't know. I can't explain it. All I know is I was sent there. Whoever was giving me these visions, whoever was putting this on my heart, whoever it had to have been. I've never seen an angel. I've never had an angel come to me and appear to me like Mary or not. I've never had that. The only thing that I have seen is Christ in that smoke tornado form where I was being shook. I've only had the voices that have come to me and tell me things. Whether it's the Holy Spirit, you know, it's all you know, you got the Holy Spirit, you have Jesus, and you have God. That's a Trinity. Whether it's one of those that's working and doing it, I can't answer that. It has to be one of them.

SPEAKER_02 23:57

I wasn't saying you're right or wrong.

SPEAKER_00 23:59

I was just trying to figure out what made you think that Well, I mean, that's that's I mean, that's who made us. Yeah. I mean the only thing I can think of that has the power to to want to draw your spirit and to and to make you better. I mean that's he knew that you would tell people. And that's it. And that's it. Maybe, maybe that is because I told my wife, I said, Man, there's got to be something else for me during this life. I mean, I've grew up in church. I I've been having, you know, the gift of holy the speaking in tongues. Not everybody gets that. Yeah. You know, not everybody not everybody gets the whole the gift of speaking tongues, but not all, not also does everybody get the tongue the ability to interpret that tongue. Right. You know, we all have gifts. We all have gifts that are given to us. But the Bible is not everybody will get them. Right. You know, there is some that's chosen for that and there's some that isn't. It's just like the 144,000 that's gonna be chosen at the end of time to preach to people during the tribulation. I mean, whoever sealed it's sealed. God has a plan.

SPEAKER_02 24:52

Right.

SPEAKER_00 24:53

It's already there. We're just in motion. I mean, we're we're literally in this storybook, and all it is is each page, every day is turning. That's it.

SPEAKER_02 25:00

Yeah. You um so just an off question. So how long was the procedure? So in about an hour. How long did you feel you were going through what you were going through? The whole time. But did you did you I didn't have any time frame?

SPEAKER_00 25:13

No time. No sense of time. None. The only that's what I'm saying. It felt like I was there for I mean, I'll just be honest with you, it felt like I was there for eternity. I mean, it felt like I was there so long. It wasn't like it was I was just there quick. It just I was just kind of curiosity, like I don't think there is a time. Yeah. I don't think there is a time with God. I it is I mean, if you could just imagine living in a life where there's no clocks, there's no there's no sunset, there's no sunrise, it's this way the whole time. That's what it felt like.

SPEAKER_02 25:44

I didn't know if that's what I meant. It's like it was there time or you just didn't feel there was nothing. Nothing. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 25:50

It feels I mean, and that's what I think people don't understand. Like maybe that's how heaven is gonna be when you think about forever and ever. Yeah, we don't know. There is no right. It's gone. It's done. So that is how it felt when I was there. It felt like I had been there for eternity. Like there was no time, like you'd been there a day, a year. It was just constant. Like you didn't feel it's crazy. It's a very weird the spiritual world, I think, is a very I mean, we don't have a clue.

SPEAKER_01 26:15

I don't yeah, it's nothing like we expect.

SPEAKER_00 26:17

We cannot fathom it. No, we can't wait. No, we can't. And there's things that John was in Revelations, you know, at the very end of Revelations, there's things that he wasn't even allowed to be seen. Guys, there's things that we don't even know about. So, I mean, yeah, it's a very mysterious thing. We're gonna but one day we're gonna be shown these things. There's gonna be qu there's gonna be answers given to us when we get there. It's gonna happen. We're gonna figure out where everything comes from and how how it all started.

SPEAKER_02 26:49

Hopefully that's yeah, that's the plan. It's the plan. What do you got, Madison? You got any questions on that?

SPEAKER_01 26:54

I it really hit me deep when he was like explaining gnashing of the teeth, because that totally makes sense. Like if you're in constant torture, you're gonna be like constant torture.

SPEAKER_00 27:04

It was horrible. I mean, to watch your skin be ripped by nails of a creature and it hurt. You felt pain, you smelt the smoke, you smelt like you were in an oven. I mean, it was like you were cooking but not cooking. Your skin rotted and it it restored. It's not, I'm telling you, you go to hell and you go through that, then you deserve it. Because that that is agony there. If you if you're bad enough on this earth, you gotta really mess up.

SPEAKER_01 27:37

Absolutely.

SPEAKER_00 27:38

I mean, if if God says even a child can inherit the kingdom of heaven, you you make it to hell, that it's on you, buddy. Because I'm telling you, I don't want to go there. I every like when I do something bad, I immediately, Jesus, forgive me, Lord Father.

SPEAKER_01 27:53

Right, and that that's how we're supposed to fear God.

SPEAKER_00 27:56

Like that's how it has put more fear in my life to mess up because when I do, I'm saying, Lord, if I say something, Lord, forgive me that. I did not aim that.

SPEAKER_01 28:04

I know that's me too. I'm instantly like, I'm sorry.

SPEAKER_00 28:06

What's instantly after that happened to me, it did, it changed me. It really changed me. Yeah. Wow. And I hope this story changes people. Yeah. My gosh, please, listen, I'm not making this up. It's real, guys. Get in touch with your spiritual, get in touch with God, get get back to that seeking him one-on-one. Give 120%, and I think things will happen to people. You'll be shown things, and you'll people understand. It's out there. You just got to seek it.

SPEAKER_01 28:39

It's not a fantasy.

SPEAKER_00 28:40

No, it is not. No, you can't make that story up. No. There's no way. No.

SPEAKER_01 28:45

No, and you and you hear so many stories of people going to heaven and stuff, and they're all the same.

SPEAKER_00 28:49

Like they're all Yeah, they all have their very similarities, yes. Every one of them, yes. They're not the same, but you know, it's everybody goes through different things, you know, and we all, you know, it's just like if you told, you know, that what's that game where you play, we whisper in somebody's ear, and by the end of it, it's always changed. Um, telephone. Telephone. So, I mean, so yes, there's variations, and then people interpret things a little bit differently, but yeah, I I hope I explained it the best that I could. Like I said, I have nothing to gain from this. I didn't even want people to know about this for a while because I thought, man, this people are gonna avoid me. I'm like, look like I got the plague, you know, like a leper, you know. But but I just got to thinking about it. I was like, no. And maybe that was Satan didn't want me to speak about it. That's right.

SPEAKER_01 29:29

That's exactly that's exactly it. That's why the stuff died last night.

SPEAKER_00 29:33

That's what I'm saying. And I had the weirdest feeling the whole time I was trying to get here, you know, that day. I was like, it was something just kept telling me, no, don't go. Don't go. Right. Don't do this.

SPEAKER_01 29:41

I think I almost had to cancel too. Like it's it's just crazy how Satan works behind the scenes.

SPEAKER_00 29:46

So odd, but but I made it here, and I hope this message gets further than what we're in this room. I hope it gets further than the people listening to the podcast. I hope somebody hears this. And I mean, I like that I'm not gaining anything off this, but if I can go to uh I would do anything people wanted me to do. I hope it saves someone.

SPEAKER_01 30:06

I think you should go speak at churches.

SPEAKER_00 30:08

I would love to. If so that's if they would do it and they'd get a hold of me, however, they do it. I don't know. Go on tour.

SPEAKER_01 30:13

Well, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 30:14

I'm at all. Tell a story. If there's churches that want to re they can reach out to Bobby the realist, yeah, and I'll do whatever because if it's cool, if it literally changes people and and opens, that's a big thing, guys. We're walking around with and that's what I tell people that are, you know, we walk around with shutters on our eyes. And sometimes all it takes is a little turn of that thing that opens it, and that's all it takes.

SPEAKER_01 30:38

You have to walk in your anointing. You can't you can't just let your purpose you can't just recluse yourself and let your purpose just sit there. Like you have to get it out.

SPEAKER_00 30:47

I mean, if if not, what else have we got here? Right. We aren't just here to live lives and go to work, pay bills, guys.

SPEAKER_01 30:52

Yeah, no, we're here to get each other home in the long run.

SPEAKER_00 30:54

And that's what I try to tell people. Like, I've got some friends that just hate being around people. They're like, Oh my god, I just hate people. If you hate people and love with people, you got problems. Yeah. Because I'm gonna tell you something, heaven's gonna be full of people.

SPEAKER_02 31:03

All right, full of them.

SPEAKER_00 31:05

And you better get ready because there's you know, if you feel that way now, you may not make it.

SPEAKER_01 31:09

We all need rest from people, but you know what I mean. We yeah, we are here to love each other.

SPEAKER_00 31:14

And there's some people it's real hard to love. Hopefully, hopefully, when our bodies are changed, that side of our brains will be.

SPEAKER_01 31:21

I think so. I I think so.

SPEAKER_00 31:22

Because it's gotta be a gathering. It's not totally different. It's not, yeah, it's not what this earth provides.

SPEAKER_01 31:28

I think we'll all be up there using our gifts still.

SPEAKER_02 31:30

Like oh, I I absolutely believe that. Yeah, I totally believe that. So I'm selling real estate and insurance up there. Is that what you're saying?

SPEAKER_01 31:38

No, but you know what I mean.

SPEAKER_02 31:39

I'm just kidding.

SPEAKER_01 31:39

Well, I mean, you can't worship team.

SPEAKER_02 31:41

You can be singing, you'll be good.

SPEAKER_00 31:43

He'll be preaching, he's good. If you read something out, there is there is still stuff gonna happen in heaven. Yeah, you're stuff is you're still supposed to have you know occup not really occupation, but you're supposed to have purpose that you're gonna do.

SPEAKER_02 31:54

Oh my man, I this is all ministries to me. This is just giving money away. That's what I'm doing now. It's just that's all I do. So that's the only reason I do it. Good. Give it away. That's fine. Yeah. I I gave all I could give. Yeah. So I didn't know.

SPEAKER_01 32:07

One day, one day I'll be famous and I'll be able to.

SPEAKER_02 32:09

You will. Just remember us. Just remember us. Just remember us.

SPEAKER_01 32:12

I'm not going anywhere. Just remember us. I'll still be back here.

SPEAKER_00 32:15

Yeah. But anyway, like I said, I wanted I wanted to make three and I left a lot of stuff out. I did leave leave a lot of stuff out. Come back. Well, I just it's so hard to give so much because people sometimes get bored after a time. But I just I wanted to get there. I wanted to get it out there, and um, and maybe there's a reason. Maybe someone out there is struggling with something like purse. Maybe let's get one hear it. So let's get the one. That's it. So that's the way I'm that's it.

SPEAKER_01 32:39

It happens. It's happened to me before. Someone's messaged me and been like, hey, I really need to hear your story.

SPEAKER_02 32:43

Yeah, just one. It's only reason I post and do the things that I do is just for the one.

SPEAKER_01 32:48

Yep.

SPEAKER_02 32:49

Like, yeah. And this is why I meant realist is because I want real. I can't I can't say that your story's not true. I I'm not even gonna say that. I wouldn't say that. That would be a tough story to make up. Oh man, you can't make it.

SPEAKER_00 33:00

That'd be a tough story to know, right? Yeah, especially to watch it have especially to watch it confirmation from somebody else. I know. How are you gonna have me searching? I have looked forever for that video. I cannot find it anywhere. I have TBN, here we go.

SPEAKER_01 33:13

Chat GPT will be.

SPEAKER_00 33:14

Yeah, maybe I help us. I've literally tried. I've tried it all. I would give anything to find that video. TBN find it. And when we find it. I wish I knew the I wish I knew the pastor's name. That would really have helped me, but I don't know his name.

SPEAKER_01 33:26

That would be cool if you could hit him up and yeah, if you want to. If he's still I think we're gonna make it happen. We're gonna make it happen. That would be a figure, we're gonna find him.

SPEAKER_00 33:34

That would be incredible if he's still here.

SPEAKER_02 33:36

That would be cool. I would love that. Yeah, that's cool. Well, I don't have any other questions. That is that's good. That's great. And you're more than welcome to come back anytime you want. If you start building up some more, oh, maybe they'll get some more visions.

SPEAKER_01 33:49

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 33:49

Maybe they'll use me some more now. Yeah. Um we'll throw it out there.

SPEAKER_01 33:53

Step one's out.

SPEAKER_02 33:54

Yeah, we made it, right? Recorded. Yeah. We didn't get stopped twice. The batteries didn't die automatically. We didn't get logged out. Peter.

SPEAKER_00 34:06

It's all gonna get erased, bro. No. I'm about to do it all again.

SPEAKER_02 34:09

Uh I hope not.

SPEAKER_01 34:10

Holy Spirit's not gonna let that happen.

SPEAKER_02 34:11

Yeah, yeah. Yeah, we prayed over it last time. We're good to go. So, all right, guys. Well, I appreciate everybody tuning in. I appreciate Jay's time. I know it's he's got uh stuff, other stuff he can be doing in Madison. Same for you. Appreciate you getting in here and leaving the fan to come here. And Gia's here's.