Brothers Just Talking (Episode 1)

Most sports fans don’t see the shock coming when the Spurs beat the Thunder — but Emeka Darlington? He’s got the secret weapon for predicting upsets in the NBA’s wildest moments. If you think you understand the game, think again—this episode will shake up your perspective on basketball’s biggest surprises.

Step into a lively barbershop-style debate where the panel explores the latest in sports, music, and culture, revealing surprising insights you won't hear anywhere else. You'll discover why Wimby is more than just tall; he's a new superstar redefining basketball, and how the Knicks' hunger might actually turn the tide against rising giants like Wimby. Emeka breaks down the real impact of streaming and how legends like Michael Jackson continue to influence us, even years after their peak. Spoiler: streaming is changing the way we experience greatness—and that impacts you too.

How does Michael Jackson’s legacy hold up in the streaming era? Why does no other artist inspire the next generation quite like him? And what does the rivalry—and respect—between Mike and Prince tell us about two musical icons who shaped entire generations? The panel dives deep into these legends, comparing their artistry, showmanship, and influence, revealing how their stories are more intertwined—and complicated—than you might think.

Finally, the conversation shifts from the music stage to relationships and society, as the brothers explore the changing dynamics of dating across age and culture. Why are older women now dating younger men? What challenges and opportunities does this trend create? These raw, honest takes will make you rethink what love, choice, and societal norms really mean today.

Perfect for fans of thought-provoking debates, pop culture enthusiasts, and anyone who loves a good, unfiltered conversation—this episode will leave you questioning everything you thought you knew. Whether it's predicting game-changing upsets or understanding legendary icons, you won't want to miss these insights that challenge the mainstream.

Are you ready to see the world through the brothers’ eyes? Hit play now—because the real conversations start here.

Transcript

Harvey (00:01.877)
Welcome. Welcome to Brothers Just Talking, where real conversations happen with real brothers given real perspectives. Welcome to our maiden voyage. I'm your host, Harvey C. Gentlemen, introduce yourselves.

emeka darlington (00:02.465)
you

Mike Darlington, Mika Darlington.

James Rowland (00:25.093)
Sonar the funky one. James Rowland.

Reggie (00:28.893)
And Sebastian B. Blue, how y'all doing?

Harvey (00:32.469)
And as you see, we got quite the group for a panel here to get this started. Well, we are going to kick it off on some of the latest happenings. Our show will deal with culture, whether it's sports, whether it's music, whether it's current events, or just things that are on the minds of the people. The same way things are discussed at the barbershop, the same way they are on the golf course or at the gym, that's how we're gonna kick it because it's gonna be the brothers.

Putting it down and letting you know where we're at. Well, let's get right to it. Our first topic of the day. Last night in sports, we saw the San Antonio Spurs knock off the OKC Thunder. And this was a shock to many. So we're going to throw it out there. Fellas, what do y'all see right now as a prediction or

emeka darlington (01:28.259)
you you

Harvey (01:31.263)
what may happen in the championship. I'm gonna kick in the big game, James, first, and then we'll throw it around the panel. What do you think?

James Rowland (01:39.011)
I hate to say it, but I'm rooting for the Knicks.

Harvey (01:41.809)
Aw man, you like a sucker. You room for the next man. Go ahead.

James Rowland (01:43.793)
Well, you know, I got you know what the Knicks haven't won in a long time. I I like to see them win and and it's still our division. So I'm I'm a root for them.

Harvey (01:54.699)
You sound like a softie. Who's next? Who's next?

emeka darlington (01:55.199)
We got the emergence of a new superstar Wimby so take heed take notes LeBron move out the way you need to retire you're done The other guy from SGA for the Oklahoma superstar for the SGA move on you got move

Move aside, I mean you guys might share the spotlight, but Wimby is the man. That man is 7'4", 7'5", or whatever. He can rebound, he can shoot, he can block. He is naturally a natural superstar that you can't teach height. You can't teach height. It's either you're there or you're not. Athleticism? is athletic. The man plays soccer.

Harvey (02:47.051)
That's real, bruh. That's real. That's real.

emeka darlington (02:52.959)
If you see the man warm up, the man dribbles the ball with his feet. I play soccer. That is hard. So for your man to dribble the ball with his feet and still have the same coordination to play basketball, he's a superstar. And I like Luca for the Lakers. Until Luca, no, until LeBron James leaves that organization, he ain't going nowhere. So Wimby's gonna be the man. He is going to...

And this is my prediction against the Knicks. Sweet! Knicks gonna get swept. They're getting swept. It's not even gonna be, it's not even gonna be, what you gonna do with Wendy? What you gonna do with him? It's like, it's like play with your son. You know what saying? Your son trying to score against you, all he gonna do is what? Swap the ball away. Swap the ball away. You're not gonna do nothing more. Go sit your little boys. Go sit your little butt down, boy. Sit down. This grown man's sports.

James Rowland (03:27.365)
Mm. Mm. Mm.

Harvey (03:28.433)
man, I

Harvey (03:35.199)
That's awfully bold.

Excellent.

Harvey (03:50.049)
That's awfully that's awfully bold E. Let's get our other member of the panel, my man Regin. Tell us how you feeling, man.

Reggie (04:00.493)
Hey brothers, I'm I'm I'm mute on this one man. This is this is this is y'all right here, man. This is all y'all man

Harvey (04:07.837)
I'll tell you what. I alright, I I got I got something to kick back. If since you're going to step back and you're gonna recuse yourself for whatever reason, all right, this is what I got. This is what I got with this with this particular final. The Knicks are playing some historical basketball. Sweeping two opponents and being the other one three times in a row, you can't just sneeze your nose at that like they're gonna get swept, because they're not gonna get swept.

emeka darlington (04:07.921)
Raise the, college guy.

emeka darlington (04:37.813)
They can swap.

Harvey (04:38.113)
They've changed their offense. They got a great, they've got a great coach. I agree with you, E, about I agree with you about the big man. My man is Wilt Chamberlain 2.0. He's doing everything I saw Wilt do and more. He's able to put the ball through his legs and handle it like he's Kevin Durant and he's shooting jumpers. So, and I think he was even more important on defense in that last series than he was on offense.

emeka darlington (04:53.462)
you you

Harvey (05:07.093)
I think it's gonna be a great series. the only thing that's gonna hurt San Antonio, in my opinion, is their youth. When they go to the garden, that garden is different. Now, I ain't no fan of the Knicks. I'm straight up gonna tell you I'm Philly, I'm hating on the Knicks, I hate on Boston, I hate on anything that rolls in our division. So, yeah, I'm back in the Spurs, but I would not be surprised if the Knicks won. And I know the Knicks are good enough to win.

Because they're playing that type of ball. And if you don't think so, if you don't think so, then you got another thing coming when this series gets going, man.

James Rowland (05:38.278)
I think then

emeka darlington (05:40.757)
No. No, it's just... God. God. God.

James Rowland (05:43.567)
I think the Knicks are hungrier. That's what I it's been a long time for them.

Harvey (05:46.805)
Why why do you think they're hungrier, Jay? Why do you think they're hungrier?

James Rowland (05:51.505)
I think they're hungry 'cause it's been longer, man. They they had I don't remember the last time the Knicks had a championship. It like the seventies, eighties?

Harvey (05:57.163)
The fans are hungrier. Hold up. The fans are hungrier, but the players aren't. These young boys, these young boys want to get it in from San Antonio. I know you guys saw them last night, man. They had SGA. SGA played his best game, but still they had him hemmed up.

James Rowland (06:01.967)
Yeah, that's true. That's true.

James Rowland (06:14.021)
He he played he played well. He played well.

emeka darlington (06:17.396)
It's gonna be it's gonna be like when the Lakers were hot and Lakers went against all the Indiana Pacers Beat the brakes off them boys beat the brakes off those boys. So this is going to be a situation where

Harvey (06:17.558)
Yeah, you know

Harvey (06:33.207)
Hold hold on what year hold up. What year are you talking about Indiana beat the Lakers?

emeka darlington (06:38.628)
I said the Lakers beat Indiana.

Harvey (06:40.781)
the Lakers beat Indiana. You talking like in 2000. In 2000. Yeah, well, they it was 4-2. That was 4-2 now. You saying beat the breaks, that was 4-2. No, 4-4-2 ain't no buttwood. 4-1 is a gentleman's sweep. 4-0 is a sweep. 4-2 ain't no buttwood.

emeka darlington (06:43.613)
Yeah, they beat the brakes on. So, yeah, still though, that's still a butt-whupping. It's not gonna be close. That's a butt-whupping. I saw that guy. I saw that guy. That was a butt-whupping. Nothing you can do with Shaq. Shaq was unstoppable. He, he crucified the boys. He crucified them. Same thing, Wimpy's gonna... Same thing, Wimpy's gonna... Wimpy's gonna...

Harvey (07:02.519)
That's true.

But you know what, Indi Indiana's still got two games though, Ace. Indiana's

emeka darlington (07:11.214)
Whoopi's gonna kill the Knicks. He's gonna kill the Knicks. It's done. That's a wrap. That game is gonna end in a sweep. Either that or a gentleman.

Harvey (07:18.773)
You know what, man? You know what, man? How much money you got, man? How much money you how much money you got? Cause cuz cuz and I don't even like the Knicks, man. I don't even like the freaking Knicks. How much money you got, man?

James Rowland (07:22.321)
I was about to say the same thing. What do you what do you got what do you gotta lose? What do you got?

emeka darlington (07:23.132)
I don't think you're a bad... I don't know... look. Oh, look. You don't want that. You don't want that old school... I'm a gambling man. I love to gamble. You don't want that old school. You don't want none of that. This is what I... That's what I do. James, I'll tell you that. Tell him, what I...

Harvey (07:36.043)
Hey yo, hey yo, yo, I'm a dude who's retired. Hold up. Hold up. Let me kick this to you, brother E. I don't work for a living. So evidently I'm doing fine. And I have the spare money. So if you want to do a C note that they're gonna get swept, I'm right here and we're doing it live for the people to hear and know what time it is. Okay. Okay, I got a C note that they ain't sweeping them. What's up?

emeka darlington (07:56.634)
We gonna do it live. I'm calling Squeak. I'm calling Squeak.

emeka darlington (08:04.86)
We're get that in when we get it in put it out there

Harvey (08:06.955)
Okay. Yo, we got it right here. Yo, we got it right here. It's a C note. Now you're gonna make me root for the Knicks again. I hate that. But yo, I know they ain't getting sweat. All right, we we're not gonna be the dead horse. Let's move on. There have been some great things, fellas, that's been going on in the music world. Recently, one of the greats of all time who's been gone hasn't been with us for over a decade.

emeka darlington (08:16.059)
What you do? They get swept.

Harvey (08:36.459)
He went to the top of the charts a couple weeks ago. Michael Jackson went back to the top of the charts with Billy Jean. So this just brings up the question: what is the impact of Michael Jackson and the movie? Have you seen the movie? And is he truly the king of pop? Does this prove that he's the king of pop? We're gonna open the door for my man Reg. I think he got something to say on this one.

Reggie (09:06.899)
So we will we will all right so so check this out. It's it's never it's never been

emeka darlington (09:07.124)
Reggie (09:15.345)
question if he's the king of pop. That's never been a question. He he he is the king he is the king of pop. That's that's that's that's MJ. now we're gonna see this trend because every generation who don't know they have access to the music online

emeka darlington (09:30.059)
Yeah. Okay.

Reggie (09:40.455)
in a in a in a what's the word I'm looking for here? It they they can access it so much better than when the album came out when you know his albums came out in the eighties, nineties and so on and so on. You see what I'm saying? So of course Right. Exactly. So you're gonna see that with every every artist who, you know, they may have been dormant for years. I mean, we've seen this with

Harvey (09:52.279)
'Cause everything's streaming. Every everything everything is streaming. Everything is streaming. Everything is streaming. You get it.

Reggie (10:08.755)
the the the the boy bands, we're gonna see this with some of the living we're gonna see with some of the legends. We're gonna see this with some of the living legends. We're gonna see this so every time you put him out there in a media format, whether it be streaming on Netflix, Prime or whatever, or if it makes it inside the movie theaters, you're gonna see that artist wreckage just skyrocket. You're gonna see it again and then it's gonna die down again.

emeka darlington (10:15.871)
So, thank

Harvey (10:38.775)
I kinda disagree with you, man. And I'm gonna tell you why, but I'm gonna open up the floor for other people, but I gotta retort to that a little bit. I agree with most of what you said, but I gotta retort to it somewhat. Jay, take over, man.

emeka darlington (10:46.419)
. you

James Rowland (10:54.575)
My thing with Mike, man, I d I didn't see the movie. I can't I can't see it. I probably I probably see it when I when it comes on on streaming services. Yeah, I I'm I'm I'm not hate I'm I'm not hating on Mike, but but you know what?

Harvey (11:02.805)
Why you hating? Hold up! You hatin'! You hatin' Why you hatin'?

James Rowland (11:10.447)
I'm a Prince fan. So

Harvey (11:12.107)
I am too, but that don't mean I can't recognize greatness somewhere else.

emeka darlington (11:14.087)
Okay. What? What?

James Rowland (11:16.771)
I I dig Mike. Don't get me wrong. I dig Mike. I play Mike now. But you're talking about the movie. I just can't get it. For me, I already know everything. So there's nothing that you're gonna tell. Okay. Well when I well I'll be able to I'll be able to revisit that when I see it on streaming services. Because I can't I can't I can't I can't see it right now. I can't but as far as his impact, there's no no doubt about he broke he got Guinness Book of Records. He no, he's he's he's done a lot.

Harvey (11:19.98)
Yeah.

Harvey (11:26.133)
No you don't. No, you don't. I've seen the movie. You don't know everything.

Ha ha ha.

James Rowland (11:44.857)
He's made a lot he and he's very inf influential for a lot of people. So I I I dig Mike, but I'm not I'm I probably wait to see the movie though, to be honest with you.

emeka darlington (11:54.086)
Look

Harvey (11:54.569)
Okay, so you basically ain't a fan out. I mean, Mike is cool in your Prince dude. I'm a Prince dude too. I mean, it it's a friend of I got a real good friend of mine and she's team Mike and I always tease her, I'm team prince. However, I recognize Mike's greatness. Mike, 'cause Mike is the king of pop, as as as my friend was saying earlier.

emeka darlington (12:10.105)
Look, the thing-

James Rowland (12:15.223)
I I always judge it by for me, I always judge it by who would I pay to go see? Now I've paid to see Prince multiple times. I just can't pay to see Mike. I could watch Mike, but I c I wouldn't pay to see Mike, no.

emeka darlington (12:23.642)
Look, Mike is a transcending phenomena for all ages. You can't compare Mike to Prince. You can't compare Mike to anybody because Mike has touched all of us from old to young. You got youngins, you got kids that know about Michael Jackson more than know about Prince. You can walk up to a five-year-old and say,

Harvey (12:25.099)
You would never place you like

Harvey (12:30.783)
Yes he is, man.

Harvey (12:49.921)
That's true.

emeka darlington (12:51.898)
You know who Prince is? Who's Prince? What's that? Prince of what? Prince of where? You don't know nothing about no Prince? But walk up to a five-year-old and ask the five-year-old about Michael Jackson. That man has his own dance. He has his own dance. Your ushers, your Chris Brown. Who do you think they got there acting everything up? They mimic Mike. They've been living off of Mike. When they interview Chris Brown with a Chris Brown set, Chris Brown says, have his posters.

on my wall. The man, when he came out with Thriller, when he came out with Beat It, everybody was trying to wear that damn jacket. If that jacket was one of the jackets that everybody wanted that damn jacket. Mike is, Mike, even as he's no more living, man, rest in peace, Mike, he's still killing it. The man is, it's like something we've never seen before. It's like.

Harvey (13:29.868)
Ha ha.

emeka darlington (13:46.497)
Guys with the name of Michael Jackson, Michael Jordan, these guys have done things that we'll never see again. We'll never see another Michael Jackson. We'll never see another Michael Jordan. We're never gonna see anybody with those mics named, and he's a phenomenon. The man's gonna go down in history as the best pop singer, the best performer, the best of everything. Look, he's loved by the whole world. The whole world loves him.

James Rowland (13:54.767)
I gotta

emeka darlington (14:15.34)
So there's nothing we can do about mic. Mic, when you bring up anybody that's comparing to mic, you can't. It's not even fair. It's not a fair comparison.

James Rowland (14:25.007)
But for but for me, when it comes to Mike, I mean I I give him his flowers. But I like to if I go to a concert, I like to see somebody actually play an instrument. I like to see that that's what I like to see. So to see somebody dance and sing, I could watch that anywhere. But you know, but for me, I like seeing somebody take their songs, remix it on live and just just jam out. That's me. That's why I wouldn't pay to see Mike. I respect it. Go ahead.

Harvey (14:47.563)
Right. Well well, I would say that I was I would say to Easter's own. Well, to what you're saying right there, I'll say this. You're right, Prince is the far better musician. Okay. But Mike, he it ain't just opinion. Prince has play play Prince play No, listen to me. Listen to me. Prince plays every single instrument. But don't let me go. I'm not going on the Prince side right.

emeka darlington (15:00.195)
That's your opinion. That's your opinion. That's your opinion. no, do that. That's opinion. That's opinion.

Harvey (15:14.433)
So let me leave that alone, E, because I'm not trying to, I'm trying to upmike. What Mike may not do playing an instrument in concert, he brings a showmanship. He is the greatest showman that has ever stepped on a stage. And as Omeka said earlier, the Ushers imitate that. The Chris Browns imitate that. That's why you don't have people just doing dull shows with a dude just dancing and singing.

You have the smoke and the and and and and you know, putting a backpack on and flying into the stadium off a backpack. And look, that moonwalk when he did that in eighty-two, everybody knew where they was at in eighty-two. Well at the moment when he did it, because it was the talk of the world the very next

Reggie (16:03.214)
Here's where I disagree with you, fellas. Now, we talking, we're talking two different artists. All right. So I I clearly see that this battle is going between Prince and Michael and Michael. And of course, that's been going on for years. When you're talking about an entertainer, Michael has the leg up on Prince. When we're talking about a pure musician, Prince definitely has the leg up on Mike. So

emeka darlington (16:07.743)
Interesting.

Harvey (16:10.719)
Yeah. Right.

Harvey (16:18.56)
Yes.

Harvey (16:25.046)
Yes.

Princess today. Yep.

Reggie (16:31.841)
You see a Mekke, he's in his zone again because he thinks that the world resolves around his his thoughts and his opinions. When we talking about entertainers, you're absolutely right. You got a bunch of these younger cats being like, yeah, you know, I used to idolize him, so on and so on, as an entertainer, because they're entertainer artists. But when you talk about when you got musician artists like her, you got other artists who act like Bruno Mars who actually playing the instruments and singing and performing.

They're gonna bring up Prince. They're gonna bring up those influences because they was like, yeah, so it's it's it's gonna be one of them arguments where Mike has a leg up when it comes to entertaining, because the guy is incredible. Prince has the leg up when it comes to that artistry. And also he was an entertainer too, but Prince, he focused on that music. You know what I'm saying? He's like, yo, I gotta make sure that this is tight. You know, I can look any old type of way. I'm gonna look the way I look, I'm gonna wear my heels and all that other stuff.

Harvey (17:03.553)
They are.

emeka darlington (17:29.154)
.

Reggie (17:31.244)
But the music, just like Mike, the same thing. Mike is gonna hone on like maybe a note or or or a lyric or something like that. And they both did the same thing, but once again, you're looking at two different sides of the pendulum. So I think when we bring up this argument between them two, it's always gonna be there. We need to bring up some other artists who you can who you can try to compare those two great pioneers, those two great legends to.

Harvey (17:49.996)
You know what?

emeka darlington (18:00.585)
Harvey (18:01.355)
You what's deep?

James Rowland (18:01.361)
Well if you say that way, my my thought process both of gotta gotta bow down to James Brown.

Harvey (18:07.627)
The Godfather is the one he opened up the door. He opened the door. He opened the door for both of them. And you know what? The two of them knew that there was a rivalry that existed between them. And they they right. They touched they they touched on that in the movie a little bit.

Reggie (18:08.119)
There you go. Yeah, well yeah, yeah, I agree.

I agree.

emeka darlington (18:17.952)
They didn't like each other.

James Rowland (18:21.719)
Actually that's not true. That's not that's not true though. They they liked each other.

Reggie (18:23.137)
That's not true. That's not true. They liked each other. That wasn't that was the media that spun that. Don't don't don't put there you go in that world again, player. You don't know your facts. Fact check. Fact check.

Harvey (18:29.499)
Well well well I'ma say this. there was a I will say this. There was a little bit of between Mike had a little with it and and Prince did too. Remember, Prince said I I ain't gonna one will be in the video talking about your butt is mine because Mike invited him to come into the video. I'm trying to remember, was it beat it or was it bad? It was bad. The part that

emeka darlington (18:31.177)
Okay, okay, hey, look, look. They didn't like each other, brother. That's not true. didn't like each other.

Harvey (18:58.165)
My man played Sites. not Sites, Wesley Snipes. The part that Wesley Snipes played, Michael wanted Prince to play that part. And Prince said, Ain't no way I'ma be in some flick and dude gonna say to me, your butt is mine. And so they always they had a little friction, but there was there was a lot of respect between them two. It was a lot of respect between them.

emeka darlington (19:02.762)
Wesley Snipes.

emeka darlington (19:18.432)
And good.

And look, me add to that. What Michael Jackson did, they produced We Are the World. When they We Are the World, and they asked Prince to go ahead and be part of that, Prince said, I'm gonna be part of it, but I'm gonna do mine separately from everybody else. I'm gonna do my instrumental and everybody And the guy that produced it was like, no, we're not gonna, we're not

Harvey (19:31.703)
Prince didn't show up. Right.

Harvey (19:40.273)
You sure did.

Reggie (19:41.366)
That wasn't Michael. Know your facts. That wasn't Michael. That was Lionel Richie, dog. That wasn't Michael.

emeka darlington (19:50.516)
not gonna do this is either you're gonna be with them or you're not gonna be at it at all. And when they got the award for it, they showed Prince's face during that award and he just had a nonchalant look like, I don't even give a damn about the same word about the world thing. Hold on. The guy told his story about Mike as well. That he said, Mike,

Reggie (20:05.023)
The beef was not between Michael and Prince on that we are world, Joe, man. Know your facts, dog. That was Lionel Richie. That was the that was that was that was something else. That wasn't Prince and Michael, dog.

emeka darlington (20:19.827)
He took Mike somewhere and there was a Prince concert. And he told Mike that he can get him some seats to sit by the Prince concert. And Mike said, nah, I don't think I want to do that because, you know, me and he said that Prince isn't meany. He's pretty mean, that I don't want to do that. And he assured him, the guy from the Fugees assured him, he said, no, no, no, know Prince, me and Prince is good. Make the long story short, he got Mike a nice little seat. And as Mike was sitting down when Prince was doing his little performance.

They highlighted him walking up to Mike singing beside Mike and stuff like that. Mike didn't like that. When Mike got back to his dressing room and the Fuji guy came in there, cause they wanted to do a vocal together. And he says, what was that thing that Prince was doing? Cause I didn't like that. And I told you that me and him don't get along. This came from the lips from the guy from the Fujis when he told his story. You can look that up, that's online. So they have friction. They might not be.

Harvey (21:17.687)
Well, you know, there was a rivalry. There was a rivalry between them. I think I think it's fair to say that there definitely was a rivalry. Did they hate each other? I don't think they hated each other, but it's fair to say there was a rivalry. James Brown had both of them up on stage with him. He had he had Michael first, and then he said, There goes Prince. Michael, matter of fact, was the one that told James that Prince was there. And so James invited Prince up, and then Prince came up and played.

emeka darlington (21:19.284)
Steve, but yeah.

emeka darlington (21:33.874)
Yes, yes.

emeka darlington (21:45.045)
I'm out.

Harvey (21:46.677)
But but but Prince didn't stay on the stage with them. He left the stage. Matter of fact, they had this fake little pole pole poll up and the pole almost fell on Prince when he left the stage, you know, what 'cause he couldn't get his guitar to play right. Yeah. He couldn't get his guitar to play the way that he wanted to play. Look, there is gonna always be a rivalry between these two cats. but to say that Mike but to s but but to say that Mike

emeka darlington (21:49.417)
Yeah. Yeah.

emeka darlington (21:59.061)
I heard about that. I heard about that.

emeka darlington (22:09.247)
think it could go first.

Harvey (22:15.859)
Is not who he is. Mike is who he is. Me, I prefer Prince because I'm more of a music dude. I'm more like like James had mentioned earlier. I'd rather see a dude play instruments and and and and and just the creativeness of how he wrote the lyrics to his songs. Now I'm not busting on Mike. Mike is more successful, more money, all of that. But Mike's music was more bubblegum to me. I got really into Mike's stuff.

emeka darlington (22:19.507)
Mic is in. Mic is in.

emeka darlington (22:35.173)
Harvey (22:45.931)
You know, really this this this this movie reiterated in me. I say, okay, Mike really did a lot of nice stuff. He did a lot of nice stuff. So knowing that, I realize that Mike is who he is. My thing is, to a lot of people out there, they still think Elvis is the king of pop. Okay. And I think this just proves more and above everything.

emeka darlington (22:59.924)
man.

James Rowland (23:09.775)
Reason reason I wouldn't give it to Elvis. Elvis probably held down down at that time, but Mike hold those records right now. He still hold those records for the most albums sold, longest time, you know, number one. So that's how I I gotta give it to Mike for that way.

Harvey (23:16.063)
Yeah.

Harvey (23:21.279)
Yeah.

emeka darlington (23:22.277)
He's more popular internationally, he's just more popular.

Harvey (23:27.263)
He's y yeah, he's more popular. He's more

James Rowland (23:28.345)
I g I I I agree with that. But the thing is from from the documentation that I read about and the things I've said, the documentary that I've that I've seen about Prince and Mike, they just had a really fierce competition with each other. You know, a professional like a professional rivalry. But but it but they didn't hate each other, but it's like anything else. Like you're competitive, you might have beef at that moment, but you you know, it's just the part of the sport. It's just

emeka darlington (23:41.235)
gonna make this.

Harvey (23:41.813)
competition of rivalry. It had a rivalry. Had a rivalry.

emeka darlington (23:51.508)
Yeah, I mean not major, but slight beef. They have little slight beef because of their competitive nature between the both of them.

Harvey (23:57.397)
Yeah. Yeah.

James Rowland (23:59.577)
Yeah, it's like that's like that's like we play ball against each other on a on the court. We're gonna fight against each other. But when it but but that's it. You know, we don't hate each other. We just I'm gonna bust your I'm gonna bust your butt while I'm out there the court.

emeka darlington (24:04.881)
Yeah.

Harvey (24:08.119)
But E you was my E earlier earlier you was making that sound like Mike just straight up hated him. And it wasn't like that.

emeka darlington (24:08.593)
No, no.

Yeah.

emeka darlington (24:18.693)
I mean, was the animosity was there because of the fact of between the both of them. Animosity was there, it's not like he hated him, like if he seen him, he'll hit him or something like that. No, the animosity was there, no different than when Michael Jordan and Clyde Drexler, he liked them, but didn't really like them. He did what I'm saying. So something like.

Harvey (24:36.991)
Right. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Got it. Well, I think we've made our point pretty much, and people should understand the greatness of Michael Jackson. If you have not seen the movie, I'm recommending to you see it, and I'm not even a super Mike fan. I enjoyed it. It i it brought a back a lot of my childhood back to me because Mike was that dude with the J five. And it did really do a good job in the first part.

James Rowland (24:55.301)
But you know what?

Harvey (25:05.939)
of his career. Now the second part is supposed to deal with the controversy. There were legal reasons why they couldn't deal with the comp controversy in the first one. So we get to we get to take a look at that.

emeka darlington (25:16.115)
We're looking forward for the second, for the second move. We're looking forward to see the second part.

Harvey (25:20.267)
Yeah, we look we're looking forward we're looking forward to seeing that. Well, I think that's

Reggie (25:22.841)
Yeah, y'all can miss me with that BS, man. They gonna make another one for another generation. The next generation, they gonna make another Michael. Y'all can miss me with that BS, dawg. Go ahead, go ahead with that, man. It's only but so many times you can tell the same story over and over again, dawg. That's it.

James Rowland (25:25.337)
Ha ha ha.

Harvey (25:36.481)
So so you think so you think part two would be a money grab? Part two's a money grab?

emeka darlington (25:41.883)
It's definitely gonna be a money. Oh

James Rowland (25:42.607)
I think the first one was a money grab.

Harvey (25:44.373)
Yeah, the first one was a money grab, to be honest.

Reggie (25:46.17)
Which which first one we talking about though? The one they made in two thousand? The one they made in the eight? Which one we talking about?

James Rowland (25:53.2)
This one right here.

emeka darlington (25:53.35)
you got against Mike, man? What you got against Mike? Let Mike live, baby. Let the legacy Let the legacy live.

Reggie (25:56.08)
It ain't about Mike, man. It's about let's make this money.

Harvey (25:56.087)
Yeah.

Harvey (26:00.883)
It is it is about make this money. Look, we want to look at other things that are happening because Mike ain't the only thing that's going down. But one of the things that we got going down, and and it's it's happening a lot in our culture. Our culture is changing. There was a time that, you know, older men dating younger women, people don't even think nothing of it. But now we're seeing it in reverse. Okay? We're seeing older women dating younger men, especially even among our sisters.

Reggie (26:07.344)
There we go.

emeka darlington (26:08.69)
Okay.

emeka darlington (26:15.696)
Okay.

Harvey (26:30.281)
So as we take a step back to look at this, what do y'all make of this? What do y'all think? Why are our sisters, you know, looking at this is what they gotta do, our older sisters. And I don't want to call them cougars because that's derogatory. But I don't want to call them that because that's derogatory. Because this just might be how they feel and what they're gonna do, you know, this is where they at in their life. How do you feel?

emeka darlington (26:44.88)
Ha ha!

Reggie (26:55.541)
Hey America, you got I'm Mecca, you got one minute on this.

Harvey (26:58.879)
Yeah, yeah, and I'm timing you a method. I might give you I might give you two. I got the time to give you two. Go ahead, man.

emeka darlington (27:00.357)
Whoa, whoa.

Reggie (27:03.213)
You got one minute player.

emeka darlington (27:04.658)
The bottom line is, it's very simple that one, when it comes to the sisters out here and dating the young guys, I could see that because one, it's a shortage of a lot of black men out here. It's a shortage of us out here. So pretty much the lady, the sisters,

Reggie (27:07.593)
Hey Hall, make sure he stays at two minutes playing.

Harvey (27:11.009)
Yeah, I got you, man. I got it. Go here, baby. Go ahead.

emeka darlington (27:33.17)
Dating the same guys, you know saying this it's not like you go out here and Grandma and moms and then the daughter they all dating the same guy because of the fact that it's a shortage Grandma mom daughter all dating the same guys you did what I'm saying because it's the shortage and you know, they they have too many things that they want they want a guy that's

Harvey (27:45.159)
did you say grandma the grandma ma and the daughter agreed the same?

Harvey (27:53.579)
Yeah.

emeka darlington (27:58.373)
the six feet tall, the one of the guys that's making six figures. They got so many things they want for these certain guys to be in their element, but they don't meet that criteria for those same guys to choose them. Because one is either you have a certain percentage of guys that is already married, a certain percentage of guys that's incarcerated, a percentage of guys that are single, then you got a certain percentage of guys that it's already...

James Rowland (28:08.369)
emeka darlington (28:26.63)
is either in the game or not and they got to choose from that pool. Now when they do make that choice, then they have to go ahead and say, okay, they got to say to themselves, okay, well, does this man make this amount of money? Because if you choose a man that's making $200,000 a year, that's only 2 % or 3 % of men that's out there. And now you've taken away the percentage of men that you want to date that.

Harvey (28:34.913)
Thirty seconds, bruh. Thirty seconds, bruh.

emeka darlington (28:52.695)
are making that much money. Now you have to hope those same individuals like you back. And they have options, you don't have options.

Harvey (28:59.519)
All right. E, E, I want to slow you down right there because I want these other brothers to chime in. Howdy for and I got some thoughts on it too. So I can't I want these other brothers to have a chat because we don't want you to get lynched by our female subscribers or our female listeners. We want to at least try to clean it up some. Okay. What? Okay. All right. So fellas, y'all take the floor from here, man.

emeka darlington (29:07.577)
Okay. Okay.

emeka darlington (29:16.121)
If you can't handle the roof, get out the kitchen.

James Rowland (29:27.841)
Blue, you go first.

emeka darlington (29:30.128)
Who wants some? Who wants some? Speak up!

Harvey (29:33.047)
Yeah.

Reggie (29:33.555)
Views and opinions of I and I want my two minutes. Hey, huh? I want my two minutes, but the views and opinions of the people on this podcast do is not a direct response or affliction or whatever you want to call it of brothers just talking. Alright, so it's four of us on this joint. So here's the deal.

Harvey (29:36.855)
of of this one individual do not reflect in fact Okay, go ahead, go ahead.

Harvey (30:00.278)
Okay.

Reggie (30:03.775)
Women are mental, brothers are physical. And I'ma say that, I'ma say this, I'ma say it so many times, you know, during our our podcast. Women are mental, men are physical. So at any given point, a woman already knows what she wants. At a glance, she already knows what she wants. Now.

emeka darlington (30:07.5)
Okay.

emeka darlington (30:18.864)
Great point.

Reggie (30:30.889)
When she makes that decision and she allows the guys, when she allow when she allows a guy in, and then, you know, they start kicking it, and she finds out some more stuff about him. Once again, she's gonna let you know either directly or indirectly, we good or nah. We ain't we ain't good no more. So if the pickings become slim, which I don't think the pickings is slim, but

Harvey (30:59.167)
Yeah.

Reggie (31:00.189)
If the pickings become slim, the woman is still gonna do what she's gonna do, man. So she can choose however, whatever, whenever, whatever she wanna do with her life. You know what I'm saying? And all I'm gonna say is enjoy it while you got it, and just let it be. You know what I'm saying? Just let it ride till the wheels fall off. That's all I got.

Harvey (31:26.967)
There you go. Go ahead, Jay.

James Rowland (31:29.157)
My thoughts is to each his own. I don't care. I dated when I was younger, I all I dated was older women.

And I was cool with it. I didn't care why they dated me. I was, you know, we was getting what we wanted from each other. So it is what it is. So each is own. I d I had no problems with it. And I have a problem with it now. You know, my wife is younger than me now, but shoot, if she was older, she was holding it down. I wouldn't care. I wouldn't care. Ultimately, you know, it depends on what you want. And ultimately, the funny thing about it is because I dated older women and I dated younger girls or younger ladies.

Harvey (31:53.066)
Okay.

James Rowland (32:04.409)
It's all the same. Everybody wants the same thing. So it didn't really matter to me. So that was a lesson that I learned from it.

emeka darlington (32:04.46)
Okay.

Harvey (32:13.269)
You you know, the the biggest thing that I see in this this whole quotient of what we culturally see and we're bringing up now. man, older women are dating younger guys. I gotta agree with y'all. You gotta find love where you find love. And I know E brought up those things about the money and that those things do mean things, but to people trying to find true love, you gotta have

emeka darlington (32:22.488)
you .

Harvey (32:42.333)
Spirituality in common, you must have that in common. Have that faith. you gotta be equally yoked, that's straight up. You gotta have some of the same likes, okay? Now, there are some things that opposites do attract, okay? But if people are able to enjoy one another and still achieve together regardless of their age, then I ain't in the way of that.

emeka darlington (32:49.263)
No.

Harvey (33:12.083)
Okay. I'm not in the I'm not I'm not in the way of blocking that. And obviously for you guys out there, we'd like to know how y'all feel about that. Okay. And and and send in your your opinions and your comments and let us know exactly what what you feel about society and and how it's changing. Brother E made it very clear why he feels things are changing and becoming what they've become.

emeka darlington (33:41.234)
Shortage of black men out here, that's the bottom line. And they have, they've made their choices as older women. When you had your little fun and then now you got these older guys that are in their peak making a hundred and better, you can't make those choices with those guys anymore, baby. You messed up.

Harvey (33:41.503)
Mm.

emeka darlington (33:58.828)
You made your choice. It was a bad choice. If you got like six kids and you looking for a dude who's making over a hundred grand a year with your six kids with five different baby daddies, that ain't gonna work. You have no options. You're done. Stick working. You're done.

James Rowland (34:13.157)
But that's a different conversation. The conversation but that's a different conversation. The conversation wasn't about that choices.

emeka darlington (34:17.294)
Well, that's it. Because like I said before, they're dating the same pool of guys. They're dating the same pool of guys. That's just the bottom line.

James Rowland (34:21.721)
Yeah, but that's a different conversation though.

Harvey (34:24.629)
It's true truly it is a different conversation, but fellas, I want to move on. People out there, y'all heard exactly where they coming from and where he coming from. Okay? So we want you to respond to that. We come into the segment of our show that we call Who You Got, where we will take two individuals from the pop culture world, either from politics, from music, from sports, or from current events.

And each of us will take a position for one minute of who we got. Today I'm gonna throw out some old school, okay? Fifty Cent or Jay, Jay hold up. E, we're gonna let Jay kick it off first, okay? Let Jay kick it off first. He gets his first minute. Go ahead.

emeka darlington (35:09.048)
Eminem.

James Rowland (35:17.233)
Alright, so I like Eminem, but if I had to choose between the two of the things I listen to the most, I would listen to more to fifty cents tracks than I would Eminem's tracks. That's just me. So I'm always gonna pick because it has more all right, so MM stuff is more it's like dark.

Some of stuff is it's not something that I could kinda rock in my car taking a long ride. It's like it's almost like you gotta sit down and listen to and think about it when he when he's saying it. But you know, some of his stuff is dope 'cause Dre did his stuff for him. But when it came down to like in the club and things like that, those tracks

You know, I like though that style. He 'cause cause what 50 Cent did, he took a lot of the old 70s stuff, 80 stuff, and made beats out of that stuff. So I I I dig that kind of stuff. I dig chords. I dig those things. So it's it it resonates me with me more. And if I'm mixing it with my turntables, that's what I'm gonna use. I'm not gonna use MM stuff. Mm stuff I listen to if I'm taking a long ride someplace, just want to hear something different, but it's not something I would rock with.

Harvey (36:18.305)
So you rockin', so boom, one vote here so far for and L. No, fifty cent. We'll fifty. We'll fifty. All right, go ahead, E.

James Rowland (36:25.381)
Fifty cent, yeah.

emeka darlington (36:30.324)
Eminem all day. It's not even a question. The man is the GOAT. He's the GOAT. Of course, gonna be a lot of flag on it, and I don't care. I'll take all comments about if you think he is and you think he not. Eminem is the GOAT. He killed Jay-Z on that renegade, on when they had their little thing on stage. He killed him for his own stuff. For his own stuff. You know what saying? So anybody that collabs with Eminem, bro,

Harvey (36:35.537)
man. Lord have mercy.

Harvey (36:49.301)
Now that's true. That's true. That is true. That is true. That is true.

emeka darlington (36:57.805)
You better bring your lunch meat because the man's gonna kill you your own track. So he also signed 50. And I like 50, don't get me wrong. like 50. 50 is cool. He's into the movie stuff and producing, making music and stuff like that. But Eminem, come on man. The man is a phenomenal writer. He writes his stuff. He doesn't let nobody ghost write for him like some of these other rappers or these mumble rappers. You know what I'm saying? He took a shot at-

a lot of these mumble rappers, nobody wants to go to the booth with that. So, line is, the GO! Eminem is my guy.

Harvey (37:31.009)
Fifteen seconds, bruh. Fifteen seconds.

Harvey (37:41.739)
Sebastian B. Blue to the mic. What's up with you, baby?

Reggie (37:45.934)
Yeah.

emeka darlington (37:46.045)
Yeah

emeka darlington (37:49.676)
Salute the government!

Reggie (37:49.86)
This one, this one, this one is a hard. This auto's a side when you asked about that one, this one is a hard one, because Eminem, when you throw him on a collab, the dude is beast. You throw 50 Cent on the collab, not so great. Not so great in my book. In my book. When you throw him on a collab. Now, when we're talking about records, just like James, I was like, mm-hmm, I might have more 50 Cent albums over Eminem albums.

Harvey (38:07.287)
right.

Reggie (38:19.906)
So this one is a hard one for me. But no, he did not murder Jay Z on Renegade. Y'all can say whatever y'all want to, because the GOAT to me is a whole nother person. But like I said, this one is a hard one for me, frothers, because Eminem on a collab, I can listen to him on collabs all day long. like I said, fifty cent on a collab, I was like, Yeah, even when he was with the G unit, I was like, mm, you know, yeah.

emeka darlington (38:29.632)
Yes, he.

Harvey (38:39.617)
Right.

Harvey (38:45.975)
So I'm I guess I guess I'm the one who's gonna have to break the tie. Cause I got one person I got one person who's fifty, one person who's E, and you kind of tied with both of them. Okay, as far as I'm concerned, I I hear James and what he's saying about if you kicking it and you partying, yeah, 50 is that dude all the way. But when I look at rappers, for me, the kind of rappers I like.

Reggie (38:50.102)
Yeah, you had to.

Harvey (39:11.615)
Are cats who tell stories, cats who give meaning, and cats who are serious lyricists. And you cannot deny that Eminem is the greater lyricist between them. And and having that flow and storytelling and going hard like that. So for me it's 50. So on this panel, we done came. I mean, excuse me, for me it's It's for me. So we come up with us, we've come up with

That is the dude. We want y'all to let us know what y'all feel and tell us how you feel about this. Look, don't forget to subscribe. Don't forget to give us the likes. And we want to come back to you with some more of kicking in in the barbershop with the fellas where the brothers are just talking. See ya.

James Rowland (40:04.634)
See.

emeka darlington (40:05.771)
Reggie (40:06.881)
Very

Harvey (40:10.101)
Not bad, y'all. Not bad. I think we could