3 a.m. Storytime

We are diving into one of the most infamous hours is folklore and paranormal culture!  3 a.m. "The Witching Hour".   Is it demons, ghosts or witches or are our brains simply running on low battery making questionable decisions?  

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SPEAKER_03 0:00

Welcome everybody to The Vine and the Veil, the podcast where we journey between worlds revealing the mysteries of the light and dark, the wisdom of the spiritual, the wonder of the mystical, and the power of the supernatural. I'm Carlos, your host, and this is my co-host, Maria.

SPEAKER_00 0:17

Tonight we're gonna dive into one of the most infamous hours of folklore, the witching hour. You know those moments where you see a shadow on the corner and you're like, is that a demon? Or is that the shirt I put up for tomorrow? I mean, how often does that happen?

SPEAKER_03 0:33

I know that's happened to me before where I like jump. I'm like, oh my god, it's something sitting at the foot of my bed.

SPEAKER_00 0:37

Oh, wait a minute.

SPEAKER_03 0:38

No, it's just just my blazer.

SPEAKER_00 0:40

You know what really freaks me out when one of my cats is like staring out a corner, looking at something, and I'm like, hmm.

SPEAKER_03 0:46

What are they looking at?

SPEAKER_00 0:47

And then I look at the clock and it's after three, and I'm like, oh shit, is this a demon? I don't know, something supernatural. There's just something to uh the weirdness of the witching hour that 3 a.m. or later breaks you up.

SPEAKER_03 1:02

And it's it's super interesting because you know, you have to ask yourself the question if you know it's it's the witching hour. But think about this, right? 3 a.m. is a different time at every point in in the world, right?

SPEAKER_01 1:14

Yes.

SPEAKER_03 1:14

So, you know, when you think about it just in the US, for example, 3 a.m. on the East Coast time is only what?

SPEAKER_00 1:22

10, 10? Something like that. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:25

So is it the same as the witching hour, or does it does the witching hour travel continents and time zones?

SPEAKER_00 1:31

I could tell you a little bit of history, or at least like ancient folklore or folklore around the different cultures. So ancient Europeans used to believe that spirits, witches, and wandering souls were the most active at midnight.

SPEAKER_03 1:43

So it started at so it was midnight then.

SPEAKER_00 1:45

Midnight. Okay. And then in Chinese tradition, there was a concept that the ghost month happened in nighttime hours where there was a boundary between the living and the dead, and it became more permeable.

SPEAKER_03 1:56

Oh, okay.

SPEAKER_00 1:57

So essentially the veil is thinner.

SPEAKER_03 1:59

The veil is thinner at a specific point in the night.

SPEAKER_00 2:02

In the night, not specifically 3 a.m. Japanese folklore is filled with stories of the yokai and spirits appearing during the darkest, quietest hours before dawn. So again, not 3 a.m. And then many indigenous traditions around the world also recognize the laminal times, moments between worlds, and the supernatural encounters that become more likely. Now, where does 3 a.m. come in? One guess, Christianity. Is that is that where it is where the 3 a.m. comes in. So again, uh it's believed that Jesus died at 3 p.m. So the opposite of that, which they consider is like, oh, the devil's gonna come and get you, would be 3 a.m.

SPEAKER_03 2:43

So that's who who create who made that up? Like it's just kind of like they okay, three p okay, uh 3 a.m. Sounds like a perfect time to scare the shit out of somebody, especially kids, right? Because again, a lot of this happens when you're a child where you hear these tales of like I was up and something terrible happened and it was three o'clock in the morning.

SPEAKER_00 3:02

Well, just think about what you do when you're scared. Where do you obviously go to prayer? Usually if you've been brought up, right? If you were brought up Christian household, you're gonna like crack open that Bible and start saying some prayers. Um, but yeah, Christianity has a lot to do with that 3 a.m. hour versus it being the different times in different cultures.

SPEAKER_03 3:23

So how did it, how did it get so popularized though? Like, because of course Christianity was a thing, but then I I would I would assume that at one point with uh movies, oh yeah, horror movies, horror movies, books, you name it.

SPEAKER_00 3:37

Um I doesn't Anne Rice have um a book about the witching hour? I believe she does, or she did.

SPEAKER_03 3:43

Yeah, so it's again it's become it's popularized, popularized, way for people to get scared, and now again, if you believe it, the possibilities of it manifesting are probably true for you in your life.

SPEAKER_00 3:58

I do, I do have to say, with it being different languages, different religions, different continents, they all kind of have a similar idea. So is there something that happens at the dark of the night that makes things more paranormal or the veil thinner?

SPEAKER_03 4:14

Yeah, I mean it it is, I I think it is extremely possible, especially because there are commonalities across multiple cultures in multiple times, right? So this is not just limited to ancient times, it you know, it existed across everywhere.

SPEAKER_02 4:29

Correct.

SPEAKER_03 4:30

Or the idea of a spirit sort of afterlife or something like that, if you subscribe to that and you believe in that. And fun fact, when I was uh in China, I visited a Buddhist temple that was 1600 years old. And as I was going up uh an area into their tea garden, which was magnificent, the steps were going up in a zigzag uh formation, and I was like, why is that? So I asked I asked my uh my tour guide why it was, and they and they're like, This is because it was believed that in the middle of the night the spirits would come out and they would follow you. But spirits could only go in a straight line. So if you created a path that was zigzagging, they couldn't follow you, they would get stuck there. That's interesting, yeah, and then they would come and then they would dissipate. So it's kind of interesting to think about the fact that in the middle of the night or when it's quiet, or at some point when everything settles, that's when people believe that it happens. Now, whether it's three o'clock, midnight, whatever, I think that's subject subject to whatever people are raised by. But I mean, even think about uh mom. Mom had some stories about how as soon as it was dark, you don't go out.

SPEAKER_00 5:47

Correct, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 5:48

So that that could be like 4 p.m. in the wintertime or 8 or 9 p.m. Yeah. You don't go outside.

SPEAKER_00 5:54

You don't go outside, you don't go outside. So my question for you is have you ever had a 3 a.m. experience?

SPEAKER_03 6:01

Yes, I have. I have I've had a couple of different 3 a.m. experiences. Uh one of them was I was in college and uh, you know, you start getting these. Our college was old. It was uh it was founded by the Quakers back in, I think, the late 1800s, and a lot of people had gone there. So I I think that there's just a lot of energy that is tied to it. But yeah, there was one time where I was uh I was a RA in the summertime for these uh people that came to study English, and my job was to at different intervals of the night go and make sure that they were in their area, they were only on the first floor, and the second and third floor of this dorm was empty, supposedly. And sometimes you would go by at around three o'clock in the morning and you would hear voices that are coming from the rooms, and you'd have to go check, and there's and there's nothing there.

SPEAKER_01 6:50

Wow.

SPEAKER_03 6:50

And then one time it was it was I remember it was 3:03 a.m. and I'm walking doing my rounds, and I come around the corner and the lights start blinking as I walk by.

SPEAKER_02 7:00

Interesting.

SPEAKER_03 7:00

As I'm walking by, and I'm getting like oh my god.

SPEAKER_02 7:02

Like every every time I step, this light starts blinking.

SPEAKER_03 7:06

And then out of the out of the corner of my eye, I see a shadow in the far distance, like dive down the area where the stairs are. I look, at that point, I'm kind of freaked out, so I just run downstairs. That's interesting. And I tell the other RA who's down there, I'm like, dude, this is crazy. I just saw this thing, and he thinks I'm he thinks I'm making it up. So he and his he and his girlfriend at the time, they take the next round and they go up, and I kid you not, within like 15 minutes, they come running down. That's like, oh my god, oh my god, I saw something. I saw something is super scary. So that was one experience that I that I had.

SPEAKER_00 7:41

Yeah. So as a as a child, we had multiple things happen to us around the house. The two that stick out is one of them, and I don't know why my parents would put a mirror over my bed. There was a mirror over my bed, and I think it was around 3 a.m. I don't remember because I was like seven or eight, but the mirror shattered and it literally like nothing was on my body, but it was around my body. So that was one of the things that was odd.

SPEAKER_03 8:06

Well, the interesting thing about that one is that you and our sister were arguing before all of that happened, before you went to bed. So is that our energy creating possible, but whatever so mad at me that it's no, but whatever came because it looked like the mirror had uh become unglued or fallen forward, but it's something hit it and shattered it.

SPEAKER_00 8:26

Shattered it, exactly, exactly. Um, the other thing is oh, I like don't even remember it that well because I think I was like six, but we were in Mexico. Um, we had gone, it was our first time visiting my mom's family. I think you had gone before then. Uh, but our parents, again, avid Catholics, were doing their night prayers. And um, while they were doing that, they heard a knock on the door, and then no one was there. And my parents went back to praying, then all of a sudden the Bible closed on them. So that was an interesting experience. I just remembered like both of them panicking, but I don't remember anything past that.

SPEAKER_03 9:08

It was Yeah, they well, they both panicked and then they kept praying.

SPEAKER_00 9:11

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 9:11

Even harder, which was interesting when you think about that. Oh, let's pray harder and see what happens. Well, obviously, whatever energy that's there, it's not really tied to Christianity or Catholicism.

SPEAKER_00 9:22

For sure, for sure. The only other experience I had around 3 a.m. was 3:15. I was living in my condo in Long Beach, and Sammy Noodles woke me up, and then all of a sudden I hear this crash. And I run out to the entryway, and I had this little table with a vase on it, vase on it. And then around the vase had I had crystals. All the crystals were scattered all over the floor, and Sammy starts growling.

SPEAKER_02 9:52

Oh, the cat growling.

SPEAKER_00 9:54

Like, hmm, what's going on here? Um, no idea. Like, I didn't panic, he didn't panic. He was definitely like a cat that was willing to defend instead of willing to run away. So that was uh my last 3 a.m. experience.

SPEAKER_03 10:09

There's one that is still in, aside from the one at in college, was back at home, of course, because there was a lot of paranormal activity in our house. Uh I was up late doing homework because I had a bunch of AP classes in in high school. For those of you who have AP classes, you know what I'm talking about. And I had finished and I was reading because I liked to read, and it's I was getting tired at some point, and I close my book, I turn off the light, and I get ready to go to sleep, and I turn. And on the other side of my bed, there was a chair that I used for reading and other stuff. And so I turn and I close my eyes, and then there's this breathing that's coming from the from the location of the chair. And I I had the, I mean, I was frozen in place because I'm like, what is that? Like there's some I don't even know. I don't even want to turn. I don't because you know, when you've you know you've grown up in a in a Catholic household, you've seen scary movies, and so all of these things run through your head about what it is that it could be there that's ready to snatch you up or something, right? So I jump from my bed to the light switch and turn it on and look and it stops.

SPEAKER_00 11:24

Wow.

SPEAKER_03 11:24

Okay. So then I I I freak out a little bit, I look at the clock and it's you know 3:13. So eventually I I calm down and I turn the lights off and then I go back to bed. Then it starts up again. And I remember at some point mom said, if anything like that ever happens, then you know, confront it and ask it what it wants. And so, you know, I mustered up enough courage because I was probably, I don't know, like 14, 15, 15, about 15. And yeah, it was about 15. Um, and I turned around and I said, Do you need something? Because if not, I have a big test tomorrow. Please leave me alone and let me sleep. And as soon as I said that, everything stopped.

SPEAKER_00 12:09

Interesting.

SPEAKER_03 12:10

And then I turned around and went went to sleep about an hour later because I was waiting to see if it would come back. But it didn't come back again.

SPEAKER_00 12:16

What if it was a perv ghost and that was its cup chair? I mean, it sounds like he was moaning and groaning.

SPEAKER_02 12:29

It could have been.

SPEAKER_03 12:30

It could have been.

SPEAKER_02 12:30

It could have been.

SPEAKER_00 12:31

I mean, you didn't know that then, but you know, there's kinks for everyone, even spirits, I suppose.

SPEAKER_03 12:36

Oh, but I think it's one of those things where you have like early on when I when I look at these things, right? And this can tie in, segue into the idea of is it, are these things real? Or are they? Or are they psychological or are they some kind of combination of both things, right? Because when you get into the point where it's super quiet, there's nothing go else going on, your brain starts to, everything starts to settle, and your awareness starts to open up more. So you become aware of things that you may not have been able to see or hear or kind of understand because you subconsciously do this. Correct. And there is the idea that at some point before you hit uh REM sleep and theta, you are in this in-between state. Or like a meditative state. Yeah, like the meditative state where you now have the ability to be able to see and experience other things. So it is possible that you know, some of these experiences are you're seeing or you're feeling, or maybe your mind is the only way it can process energy that you're able to now access because you're in a relaxed state, because normal life is so busy and overwhelming that you a lot of that stuff just gets lost in everything. So I don't know, what do you think?

SPEAKER_00 13:50

I I think there's something to that, but I also think there's something to the fact that I mean, now more so than we when we were kids, but there's always so many distractions in day-to-day life. Like nowadays, you have, you know, you're scrolling TikTok, and then at the same time, you have TV at volume 24. So between all of that, I think there's so many different distractions around us that when we are in those quiet moments, I think the stuff that's already there is actually visible because it's already there. Like it's always there. We're just not seeing it because of all the distractions that happen.

SPEAKER_01 14:29

Right.

SPEAKER_00 14:30

And I don't think that hauntings or paranormal activity, it's not designated just tonight. I think that it's just always there. We're just not conscious enough. We're not in that phase enough to be able to be open to it.

SPEAKER_03 14:43

Yeah, there's also there's also an interesting theory that says that all timelines are happening simultaneously. There's many versions of you that exist simultaneously. So imagine the possibility of what you're seeing that you think is a haunted dimension. It's just a parallel timeline that you happen to come into contact with for a brief.

SPEAKER_00 15:02

Absolutely, I could I could believe that.

SPEAKER_03 15:04

Right. So and this is why sometimes people say, oh, well, it's the residual, it's residual haunting versus something that's actually active. Well, maybe it's actually going through and seeing or you, the version of you is actually going through and doing a different thing in a different in a different parallel timeline, potentially. So I think that it as you start expanding outside of just the uh what you learn out of Christianity or the horror movies or the stuff like that, I think your the possibilities of what this could actually be, they broaden, right? For you broaden, yes. Because what what we grew up with was extremely, extremely limited. Correct. I also think that there is something about the collective consciousness that has an impact on it. So the you get the more people that you get to believe in something, the more it will manifest for the collective.

SPEAKER_00 15:53

Yeah, the more energy you give to it.

SPEAKER_03 15:54

Yeah, the more the more energy you give to it. So, you know, in your reality and in other people's reality who believe the same thing, things will start happening at those times because now inside subconsciously, you're believing that that's the case.

SPEAKER_00 16:07

Like residual, residual energy. Let's say that it is a spirit, you know, the more collective consciousness or more energy that's going to that. I mean, it's like energy vampires with people. I do believe that energy vampires are real. I've worked with several of them.

SPEAKER_02 16:21

But that's another podcast for that.

SPEAKER_00 16:22

Another podcast for another time. But I do believe that that could be true for, you know, whatever entity might be around you or energy around you. If you are collectively putting that energy, you're building it up and then making making it more powerful to be able to do things.

SPEAKER_03 16:40

Right. I also think that you I in in for most cases, energy is neutral. Energy is it it exists. You shape it. So your belief system shapes it, whether you think it's malicious or demonic or whatever it is, dark, light, you shape it in in the way you were brought up, the things you believe in, and what you're scared of, what your fears are. And so you see in a lot of cultures sometimes is like if you don't fear it, it cannot have power over you. Or if you don't believe it, it will not have power over you.

SPEAKER_00 17:08

And that's pretty much I believe that's true for anything.

SPEAKER_03 17:11

It's pretty much anything, right? Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 17:13

Yeah. It's so interesting that you say that because just in normal day-to-day life, I was watching a movie with Claudia yesterday, and it was the CEO walks in and everyone's afraid. And I was like, that's a fear that somebody is putting to that person. That person doesn't have, I mean, they have a little bit of power over everything else, but ultimately that's just a person. So there's no need to fear that person. And it's just so fascinating how people are afraid of people like that. Just like they're giving energy to that person. We could be getting energy of fear to whatever it is that we're confronting in life.

SPEAKER_03 17:50

So think about uh Reddit, because we did a lot of research on Reddit to and we're gonna read some stories that happened on for people that submitted on Reddit. There's so many threads that happen, and it's always like 3 a.m. Sometimes it's a little, you know, midnight, sometimes it's whatever, where now people are like, oh, it happened at three. Oh, obviously there's something going on now that it's three o'clock in the morning. So that ultimately starts shaping the collective reality of a lot of people because now they believe in that, and so it manifests whatever it is that they're afraid of, right? Whether it be a demon or a you know, uh an entity, a poltergeist, whatever it is that you know becomes the the vehicle for that manifestation.

SPEAKER_00 18:30

Yeah. You ready for our our actually only Reddit story? Yeah, let's hear Reddit stories. There are so many other ones, but they were like all little short ones, so I decided to go with the good one. So um this one is called the 3 a.m. is a devil hour truth story. This is my first post on Reddit. So sorry if my writing is bad. So this story is this is a story that happened a couple years ago when I went to back to my homeland in Malaysia on holiday. It started when I went to visit a cousin and his mom for two nights. So at that time, my cousin was living with his mom and they lived in a pretty big house. The day I arrived at his place, he told me about an experience he had two nights ago. He was chilling in his room when suddenly the door handle started turning. He looked at the door for about five minutes and the handle just kept turning as if somebody was trying to open the door. He never kept his door locked, so it was strange that it would never never actually open. He called out for his mom a few times, but she was asleep. He checked the time and it was 3 13 a.m. Apparently 3 a.m. is supposed to be the devil's hour. The next day he was visiting his aunt and told her the story. She gave him a weird look and asked him what time that happened. She told him that around 3.10 the same night, she heard some sounds of knocking in her bedroom window.

SPEAKER_02 19:48

Ooh, that's wild.

SPEAKER_00 19:50

Right? The knocking went roughly on for 10 minutes and then just stopped. Fast forward to the first night I spent at his place. We were just chilling in his room talking. He was sitting on his bed and I was standing up against the bedroom door. Suddenly we both heard three quick loud knocks. His door handle started turning. I looked at the door, expecting his mom to walk in. It was pretty late and we were being kind of loud, but nothing happened. We both looked at each other and instantly knew that we needed to check the time. It was 3.05 a.m. We sat for a while waiting to see if anything else would happen to the door. Nothing happened. A few minutes before we both settled down, we went back to chatting. All of a sudden we heard a crash coming from downstairs, which sounded like a bunch of pots and pans that had fallen onto the ground. This happened at 3:12 a.m. We immediately ran out of the room to his mom's to check her on her, but she was fast asleep. After mustering up some courage, we both started freaking out. We decided we were gonna go downstairs to investigate. It was really creepy because it was pitchback black downstairs and all the lights were off. It seemed like the longest walk of my life, which took us 20 seconds to walk all over to the kitchen. We turned on the lights and scattered across the floor were a bunch of pots and pans that were stored originally in closed cupboards.

SPEAKER_03 21:10

Okay, so the cupboards opened and the pans went down.

SPEAKER_00 21:12

Yes, we cleaned everything up and went back upstairs. The next day we told his mom about everything that happened. His mom is a big believer in the paranormal, but told us that events were no coin coincidences at 3 a.m. since it's the ghost hour. I'll leave it up to you to decide whether it was a genuine paranormal experience or if we just imagine this stuff. This would have been the second scariest experience I've had, but the first story is for another day.

SPEAKER_03 21:39

Hmm. Interesting. So knocks on the bedroom window. Yes. Like attention, get attention. So he had the was it the same because she had it for 10 minutes.

SPEAKER_00 21:51

Yeah, the aunt had it for 10 minutes.

SPEAKER_03 21:53

He had it for not very long.

SPEAKER_00 21:55

They I don't think they set a time on when it happened, but they did have it. So they were experiencing.

SPEAKER_03 22:00

Experiencing, it wasn't just them experiencing stuff. And then after the after the the knock, the three knocks quickly to jiggle the handle.

SPEAKER_00 22:08

Nothing, yeah. Then the pots and pans. The pots and pans. The pots and pans happened a couple of minutes later, like 10 minutes later. Yeah. Okay.

SPEAKER_02 22:16

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 22:16

Yeah. So interesting. But again, was that residual? Residual energy, or was it a different dimension?

SPEAKER_03 22:23

Yeah, it was a different dimension where somebody opened cupboards and you know, pots and pans knocked down. Yeah. Or is it energy that exists that they bel their belief manifested?

SPEAKER_02 22:35

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 22:36

And started, you know, doing things because they believed it to be so. Because mom didn't even wake up.

SPEAKER_00 22:42

No, mom didn't even wake up, but I can tell you about three the three knocks on the window. So my husband does not believe in the paranormal. He never had a paranormal experience until this first one. So we were living in Palm Desert and um we had just moved in together. Uh one it wasn't midnight. It was like probably around 10 o'clock. We heard a knock on a window. Three. I opened the curtains, no one's there. Daniel's like, oh, that was weird. So I opened the door, looked out, closed it, nothing was there. Next thing we know, three knocks on the door. And I was like, okay, that's too much of a coincidence. So still full Catholicism, had some holy water on hand. I ended up putting a sign of the cross on the window and the door. And then next thing you know, our kitchen window. So then after that, I just like holy watered all of the windows. And that, like from that moment on, my husband, who believes that he repels any kind of paranormal activity, he believed the first, like that was his first ish instance with any kind of paranormal um ghost or weirdness other than when he was in New Orleans.

SPEAKER_03 23:53

Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_00 23:54

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 23:54

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 23:55

Which we know is full of lots of weirdness.

SPEAKER_03 23:57

Yeah, when you start thinking about again, it it depends on um how you're brought up, right? Because that that whole three thing, right? Three knocks supposed to be related to something a little more demonic if you're brought up in in Christianity, because it's the opposite of of when Jesus supposedly died. Yes. Right. And now it becomes the mocking of the Holy Trinity if you believe in in that religion. And so yeah, it it just starts feeding in and of itself, right? So you hear something like that, and now all of a sudden you have a connection that you make to something that is very fearful, right? Because again, you're taught to be afraid of those things.

SPEAKER_00 24:30

Right, right, right.

SPEAKER_03 24:31

And so then all of a sudden you're like, oh my god, bring out the holy water, do the thing.

SPEAKER_00 24:35

Right. You know what would be interesting is to research whether or not there was anything about the three knocks or anything before Christianity was made.

SPEAKER_03 24:44

Well, I mean, think about it. Think about this. There's power in three.

SPEAKER_00 24:47

There is power in three.

SPEAKER_03 24:49

If you again, there is there's a lot of three is a very powerful number. It's a it's a very it's a number that's tied to when witches in groups of three or people cast spells in groups of three, right. It's supposed to be very, very powerful.

SPEAKER_02 25:03

Right.

SPEAKER_03 25:03

So I find it very interesting that, and this is just my jaded point of view, but I find it very interesting that somebody at some point within an organized religion took that three that is supposed to be very powerful and beneficial and demonized it.

SPEAKER_02 25:19

Yeah, of course.

SPEAKER_03 25:20

Into something that is not okay. Which is what you would go on a little bit off tangent, which is like the number 13. Friday the 13th is for some god knows what reason is bad luck. 13 is an extremely powerful number and a very beneficial number as well in numerology, if you're into numbers. And so now they've taken something that is that. You know, the the Mayan calendar runs on 13 instead of 12, right? So there's a lot of numbers that are associated with goodness, benevolence, and other, you know, religions or other race, races or cultures that have been taken and now demonized.

SPEAKER_00 25:56

Right.

SPEAKER_03 25:56

So it makes you wonder.

SPEAKER_00 25:57

If there's so makes you wonder so much about, you know, the power that was taken away from people.

SPEAKER_03 26:02

Right.

SPEAKER_00 26:02

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 26:03

Which is insane. And I mean, we can go into each one of these topics, right? The different powers of numbers, symbols, things that are. So many rabbit holes. There are so many things that are attached, but I think it all comes down to your belief system and what you truly in your reality think is real. Yes. Versus what it's not.

SPEAKER_00 26:24

So the takeaway is that you have the power to banish any of these negative energies.

SPEAKER_03 26:29

Oh, absolutely. Yeah. Absolutely. 100%.

SPEAKER_00 26:32

Next time you hear something and you look at the clock and it's 3 a.m., don't fear it. Just tell it to go away.

SPEAKER_03 26:38

Did you ever, when you were um working, did you ever have to work a late shift? And did anything weird happen?

SPEAKER_00 26:46

I was usually in the operating room for many hours, but it was always me in the operating room. I never saw anything. I never saw anything, but I do I did work with someone. So um we had on call rooms at one of the hospitals I worked at. And I worked with the nurse that swore that he was continuously being seduced by a residual ghost.

SPEAKER_03 27:08

Okay, so a residual ghost or like a succubus. Maybe I don't know.

SPEAKER_00 27:13

He said that she was dressed in like the old white nurse's garb and that he she was very seductive and tried to have her way with him many a time. Okay, ghost sex. Okay.

SPEAKER_03 27:24

Oh, that's kind of crazy.

SPEAKER_00 27:26

Yes. I mean, yeah, that was a that was a weird one, but he he swore up and down that that happened. It was a very old hospital from the 1800s, so it's definitely a possibility.

SPEAKER_03 27:39

Yeah, that's super interesting.

SPEAKER_00 27:41

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 27:42

Yeah. I don't, I mean, are you afraid when you something happens at three o'clock in the morning?

SPEAKER_00 27:46

No, not anymore. Like, no, as a kid, absolutely, but as an adult, I don't fear anything. I haven't feared anything in a really long time.

SPEAKER_03 27:55

Same. I find it interesting that sometimes I'll wake up from a dream and it'll be 333. And so that's interesting in that. Okay, there's is there a correlation in a specific chain of numbers?

SPEAKER_00 28:08

I think there could be a correlation to our circadian rhythm or even our biological like, is that your bladder's full at that time? Yeah, maybe we have to run into a peak.

SPEAKER_02 28:17

Yeah, exactly.

SPEAKER_00 28:17

Um, our hormones maybe peaked at a certain time and wake us up. Who knows? You have sleep apnea, maybe that's what your body's like and gasping for air. I mean, there could be so many things, so many things.

SPEAKER_03 28:30

So, yes, I think the summary of it is if you believe it, it'll be there for you. If you don't believe it, it won't. It's just another time, if you believe in time, even right. A lot of people don't believe that time actually exists. But it's a it's a point in your reality where you have the choice whether you subscribe to a belief system where things like that exist and the creatures of the night come out at that time, or you don't. Or there's something else where you think, yeah, if you're able to shift your your mind's eye, you can see things that are always there, but you just never were at the frequency to be able to actually see them.

SPEAKER_00 29:09

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 29:10

Super interesting. So that I think that we can stop there, but we would love to hear from you guys what you think.

SPEAKER_00 29:18

We would love to hear any stories that you have of waking up at 3 a.m. any time during the night. Um, frankly, I think a folklore has taught us anything is that people have had experiences, right? So we would love to hear yours, and that, you know, getting creeped out in the night, middle of the night has been happening for thousands of years and probably something that's still gonna happen to people throughout history.

SPEAKER_03 29:41

Right. And so let's what what do you think we should do for our next podcast?

SPEAKER_00 29:45

Let's go vampires.

SPEAKER_03 29:46

Ooh, yes, I want to go vampires since you mentioned vampires, energy vampires, energy vampires. Oh, yeah, we can do a whole segment on vampires. I'm I'm pretty excited to do that one because that one that one's historically it's very cool, and a lot of people some people think they're vampires.

SPEAKER_00 30:01

Yeah, some people actually are vampires, freaking love vampires and rice vampires.

SPEAKER_03 30:06

I do like werewolves. Werewolves are pretty cool. Lichens, skinwalkers, that's my gem. So we'll probably do an episode on that. Um, but yeah, vampires will be next then. Yes, okay. But we'd love to hear what you guys think. If you guys have a cool story, please submit it to us and we can we can take a look at it and read it on another podcast of your encounter with something at three o'clock in the morning, or if something crazy happened that you can't explain at some point in the night. That would be cool too.

SPEAKER_00 30:33

So unhinged stories.

SPEAKER_03 30:35

Unhinged stories. Yes, yes, unhinged stories.

SPEAKER_00 30:38

The veil and the vine.

SPEAKER_03 30:39

The vine and the veil.

SPEAKER_00 30:40

Oh, thank you. The vine and the veil.

SPEAKER_03 30:44

I like that. The veil and the vine, the vine and the veil, right?

SPEAKER_00 30:46

It is the vine and the veil at gmail.com.

SPEAKER_03 30:50

The vine and the veil at gmail.com. All right, y'all. Thanks for joining. Thank you very much, and we'll talk to you soon. Bye.

SPEAKER_00 30:57

Bye. That was good.

SPEAKER_02 31:02

I think we