Ghost stories, superstitions, and other things that ruined our sleep part 2

Join us as we continue to recount the stores we grew up with and the paranormal experiences that help shape our youth.   Hope you like part 2 just as much as you did part 1!

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SPEAKER_03 0:00

Welcome everybody to The Vine and the Veil, the podcast where we journey between worlds to reveal the mysteries of the light and the dark, the wisdom of the spiritual, the wonder of the mystical, and the power of the supernatural. I'm your host, Carlos, and this is my co-host Maria. What's up, y'all? So uh we did a podcast on spirits and ghosts, and uh the feedback that we've gotten has been great, so thank you guys very much. But everybody wants more ghost stories. So this podcast, we're gonna do uh more ghost stories from our childhood and kind of some of the experiences that we've had. Uh, and we've had quite a bit. I think we've talked about a few of them. Some of the more, some of the more interesting ones, but we've I mean, we've got we've got a ton of tongues. We grew up in a house that was haunted. Uh and it seems like you know, things follow us or we experience things or we can see things. So yeah, well, let's get started. So childhood. Let's talk about childhood and uh some experiences, additional experiences that you had uh with our wonderful resident ghosts or culture geister spirit.

SPEAKER_01 1:06

So, interestingly enough, um, this is a little backstory of probably the majority of the haunting. So it wasn't until about 20 years ago where our parents finally ran into um the woman who sold us the house. And she disclosed to them, she first asked him, like, hey, are you guys seeing things? And they were like, Well, as a matter of fact, yes, we not only see things, but we have things happen around the house. So come to find out, she disclosed that um she the person she purchased it from, their son had committed suicide in the bathroom that we shared. Um, there was a hallway that separated our rooms from that bathroom, and that hallway always was very heavy. And I don't know if it's because the this ghost was there or the residual energy was there. Um, but it was all always like I would sing when I was walking through it because I was always very uncomfortable going through it to get to my room.

SPEAKER_03 2:09

So my when my sister told me this, that was the first I I had heard of it. I I didn't know that that that had happened. And what was funny is in our last podcast, I told you guys that when the lady that my dad bought the house from, the only thing she said at the beginning was, don't buy this house because it's haunted.

SPEAKER_00 2:25

Right.

SPEAKER_03 2:26

So now we have more perspective in the fact that you know somebody did commit suicide in that house and nobody told them. Right. Which is interesting. Well, I mean, I guess that's the way it worked. I guess if you if you search the death records or something like that and they were kept, uh you'd probably know that somebody did pass away in that house.

SPEAKER_01 2:43

Yeah, right. You could do a search, it costs you more money, but yes, there is a there's a way to search to see if anyone has passed in your house.

SPEAKER_03 2:50

Yeah, so now there are two people.

SPEAKER_01 2:51

There are two people, yes, that is correct.

SPEAKER_03 2:54

So that leads me to everything's starting to make sense now. Okay. So I know this is about spears and ghosts, but I'm gonna tell you guys a little dream that I had. Okay. Uh I was I was at our neighbor's house, and this the neighbor, Senoratina and Senior Francisco, they they were amazing people. Uh, but they kind of um they would always talk about going on vacation and doing these things, but they never did. They kind of revolved in this pattern of work and that they would eventually do this. And one day he came down with diabetes, he got gangrene in his leg, it got chopped off, and then his health declined from there, and then he died. And then she eventually uh got really old, and her her kids put her in a convalescent home and then she died. So they never got to do any of that stuff. So, anyway, context for I was in my dream, I was in the I was at their house and I was walking in their big backyard because the backyards of those houses are are massive. Right. And I'm walking and I go to pick up a camera, and mom is there, and my mom passed away. Uh, this will be going on five years this this next year, it'll be five years uh that she's that she's been gone. But she tells me, she's like, Why are you getting this? You don't need this anymore. You can always go get something else. So we walk out, walk to the front, walk to the inside of the house, and there's this as I walk in, there's this lady there, and I'm like, We gotta get out of this house. That lady's there. She's she doesn't, she's not doing us any good. We'll get out of here. So I go, I leave the house, my parents are are getting ready to leave. I come back in because I forgot something. I come out, mom and dad get in the car, they go to back up, and then they turn and smash into the very front windows of the of the house. And the lady smiles, and then she goes, They can never leave.

SPEAKER_01 4:40

Oh shoot. Oh, that's crazy.

SPEAKER_03 4:42

And I I was like, oh my God, that's so that's such a creepy dream. Uh and I was I was out there and I watched this actually happen that they they were not free to leave the house. And so kind of kind of freaked me out a little bit. But now that you're telling me this the story about somebody committing suicide and the energy that's built up in the house, I could see how that could be something that could happen.

SPEAKER_00 5:04

That's creepy.

SPEAKER_03 5:04

So yeah, that was that was a creepy dream, not not anything. Well, again, dreams we'll do another podcast on that where you know you there there are people that believe that you when you were in dream state, you're either in another plane, another dimension, and you can you can see things as they happen, or uh you interact with beings and other spirits in that plane. So yeah.

SPEAKER_01 5:27

Interesting. I know, huh? Yeah. That's that sounds like a horror movie. You can never leave in a cycle with the thing. Yeah, she just said a very matter of fact, and perpetual like stagnant in this house energy. That is rough. Yeah. I'm hoping that's not true for mom. No, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 5:48

So yeah, uh, ghost stories though. Let's let's keep going.

SPEAKER_01 5:52

Okay, okay. Um, you're probably gonna have to start.

SPEAKER_03 5:55

Okay, so one of the things, and I guess putting all this stuff together, right? You you know, I the breathing that came from the the chair, as you know, when I would wake up in the middle of the night and I would hear footsteps going across that hallway and there's nobody there.

SPEAKER_00 6:11

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 6:12

Right? The the cats would freak out when they would want to avoid that area. Uh, you know, when I'm washing my face and I feel like I'm getting touched, now it all makes sense. Right. Somebody, somebody's energies is probably still there. Definitely still there in some in some way. And maybe they're they're trying to get attention. Maybe it's something that they're you know, or maybe there's many. Because I mean we did see, we did see multiple ones. Uh I'll share a story with you guys. We had just gotten back from Mexico, and on the table we had a bunch of pottery that we had put up, and we were looking at it, and then I go to my dad's sitting in a chair, the table's here, and the pottery's here, and then across from it is the TV. So I go to turn on the TV, and in the reflection of the television, I can see something pick up one of the pots or one of the pottery things, look at it like if they were like looking at it, turn it and then set it down. And I'm just like frozen because I'm like, oh my I'm like, Dad, dad, are you and he's just like, what is going on? What is that? And he he freaked out a little bit, but he was, you know, at some point he was just like, I don't know. So I I'll I'll chalk it up to you know our imagination. And I'm like, Dad, both of us saw it at the same time. So I don't think that there's anything. So obviously something was very curious about what we had brought back and wanted to see it for themselves.

SPEAKER_01 7:29

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 7:30

So that was uh that was a little bit, it was a little bit scary, but again, at that point, we had seen so much stuff. It was just another one of those, okay. Somebody's curious, wants to see what's up.

SPEAKER_01 7:42

Um, one of the ones that I remember, and I I swear it was Papa Billy and um Grandma Julia that had come to visit our great grandparents. Our great-grandparents. So I wake up middle of the night, I'm holding on to St. Francis in one hand, my unicorn stuffy in the other, and I look out. We kept our bedroom doors open. I'm not sure why, because we I was always afraid of a closet in the hallway, so you would think you would close the door, but we kept them open. And next thing I know, I see uh these two full like apparition ghostly figures, like you could see them in clothing. And I don't know if in at that point in time if I had seen the pictures of our great grandparents, but he was standing up um wearing a suit, and then she was sitting down in a white a white dress, and it was just like so quick, and it was scary, but not like threatening scary. It was scary because it was unexpected. Um, but it was just like so quick. Um, I like of course, like I froze a little bit because I'm like, what the heck am I looking at or trying to process it as a little kid? And and then they disappeared. Um, but yeah, that happened.

SPEAKER_00 8:56

That was interesting.

SPEAKER_01 8:57

And it was only later when I like as like as I got older and I looked through the pictures and I knew that that was them that I made that association that they actually appeared there.

unknown 9:08

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 9:09

There's been situations where in the kitchen, again, I remember we had a dog and he was uh his name was Butch and he was he was a poodle mix of some sort. But there were times where he would come around the the the kitchen area and he just would stop at the entrance to the kitchen. Yeah. And he refused to not go in there. And it makes me it makes you wonder. It's like, what was what did he see? What did he see? Stop in his tracks and go, nope, I'm not gonna make that happen. But again, you know, cabinets opened, uh paper towels unrolled. We had in the middle of the night, you hear dishes crash.

SPEAKER_01 9:42

Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 9:43

Like just it sounded like dishes were crashing, so you'd run out and uh we'd look and there's just nothing.

SPEAKER_01 9:48

It just sounded like stuff was one of the most common things, and like it became second nature is like the house settlement noise. And mind you, it was a brick house, so I'm not sure how much settlement a brick house makes, but there was always like continuous like house settling noises. Um, almost like the house had an energy of its own. Like here, I don't hear any house settlements at all. Like not at all. So it's really weird to, or even in our last place, like I never heard anything like that. It was only at that house that I ever heard that.

SPEAKER_03 10:23

Yeah, I I don't I have uh an idea that it's the entirety of that entire place.

SPEAKER_00 10:31

Yeah, it's possible.

SPEAKER_03 10:33

There's a lot of energy there, and I think it's energy oppressed oppressed energy, oppressions, yeah, um feelings of of of failure, uh not ever amounting to anything. Like it's just all perpetuating there.

SPEAKER_00 10:46

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 10:46

And it attracts energy, attracts that kind of energy, attracts that kind of energy. Some people, some of you might think it's or might say it's lower vibrational energy, but it it is very you go in the middle of that place and you can you can feel it.

SPEAKER_00 10:59

Right. You can feel it happening.

SPEAKER_03 11:00

Uh, there was a time where uh my wife and I were outside and we're getting ready to go somewhere, and this guy just kind of walks uh out of nowhere in front of us. And he's walking down the street and he doesn't turn, he just kind of walks. And I and my wife looks at him and says, Oh, that's kind of strange. I mean, he's I've never seen him before. Where is he? Like where did he come from? He just showed up and he walked behind our car, walked down, turned the corner, and we looked to see where he was and he was gone.

SPEAKER_00 11:31

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 11:32

So it was another one of those things where it's it's either a you know, residual energy that's just walking and going by there, or maybe there again, there's an overlap with another timeline.

SPEAKER_01 11:44

Yeah. So an interesting thing since you're talking about outside, and he mentioned in our previous podcast about having recently visited um our dad, and when you were leaving them and saying goodbye, yeah, that you need to share that story because that one's interesting.

SPEAKER_03 12:01

Yeah. So um we're in the car, we're packing up, we're leaving. My dad and his new wife are there, and they're going to see us off. And as we're making the turn, uh, I look and my wife look at him and they're waving bye, and I don't see her, I see my mom. And she sees my mom too. And she's like, Whoa, that is the weirdest thing. I just saw your dad and your mom there waving us goodbye.

SPEAKER_01 12:26

Yeah. And that was their tradition.

SPEAKER_03 12:28

Like they would always every time that we would leave, they would always see us off, both of them together, standing outside the front of the porch saying goodbye to us. So it was very freaky that we would see our mom there and not his new wife.

SPEAKER_01 12:43

Yeah. There's definitely residual energy there.

SPEAKER_03 12:47

Yeah, well, our again, our mom also passed away in that house.

SPEAKER_01 12:49

So she was in hospice and passed away um kind of unexpectedly. Um, but yeah, that's really interesting. But she loved that house. Like she loved it. She loved her garden, she loved it, she loved that house.

SPEAKER_03 13:02

There is a story that the neighbor would tell about again. This is why I think that the entirety of the place is is energy. But he would tell a story of there's this little girl that wandered the streets crying. And she would just cry. And one time they would they followed her because she would show up and she would cry, you know, all the way through. And they went out and they're like, Can we help you? Can we help you? And she would just look at them and keep crying and keep walking.

SPEAKER_00 13:30

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 13:31

And they said they followed her, and she turned the corner and she disappeared.

SPEAKER_00 13:35

Wow.

SPEAKER_03 13:35

And so she would randomly show up on different nights, just crying again and walking away and then disappearing.

SPEAKER_01 13:42

That's so scary.

SPEAKER_03 13:43

So again, there's there's, I don't know, something happened to this little girl in at some point in the existence of that entire place.

SPEAKER_01 13:52

Yeah. So I remember there was a story that it used to be um a military camp back in like it was it was made for veterans.

SPEAKER_03 14:00

It was like a military uh housing.

SPEAKER_01 14:03

Right. Like early 1900s.

SPEAKER_03 14:05

1950s. 1950. Yeah, and it was built in the 50s.

SPEAKER_01 14:09

So that I mean, there might be something that happened back then.

SPEAKER_03 14:12

Or it might transcend that.

SPEAKER_01 14:14

It might transcend that.

SPEAKER_03 14:15

There were a lot of there's a huge native population.

SPEAKER_01 14:16

Yeah, there is a huge native population.

SPEAKER_03 14:18

The Koeya Indians are you know are pretty prevalent throughout that entire area. So it is very possible that things happened that we don't we're not aware of.

SPEAKER_01 14:28

Yep. I'm trying to think of their like there was so much that happened, like I can't really pinpoint one thing because everything it was a lot of the same things, a lot of the kitchen cabinets, a lot of the touching, a lot of the lights going off, a lot of that kind of vibe that it I would almost be retelling stories that we've already told. Um but one of the interesting things that I think helped to sensitize us has nothing to do with hauntings. But I'm the the youngest, and we used to play booby traps. So the one hallway that we were afraid of, we would try to scare one another and also create booby traps. So pulling blankets, yeah, pulling blankets, have like having yarn so you could trip somebody up, jump out at somebody.

SPEAKER_03 15:19

Yeah, because we would turn all the lights off, and that would be the thing. Yeah, that was the thing.

SPEAKER_01 15:23

And you didn't know there was a booby trap because it's like, oh surprise. Um, but yeah, we we did that to one another, and it just helped decrease the sensitivities, I think, of like getting startled. But that, yeah, that was fun.

SPEAKER_03 15:36

So dad, dad would tell us told a story because my dad doesn't or didn't believe in in the spirits or any of that stuff at the beginning. But there was one point where, and you know, my mom uh, as we said, was very superstitious, but there was one point where they were they were sleeping in in bed, and my mom wakes up my dad, and he's she's like, Look, look, and in the closet, they could they could see this white shape that started that was kind of floating forward towards them. And my dad's like, What is going on? He freaks out a little bit, my mom freaks out, starts praying, and my dad, being my dad, just confronted it at that point. It was basically like, What do you want? If you don't, if you don't want anything, just leave us alone. Go away. Go away now. And when he said that, it just slowly started fading back into the closet again and then disappeared.

SPEAKER_00 16:28

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 16:28

They also told stories about orbs coming out. I don't know why they were sleeping in your bedroom and you weren't there, but they had um been sleeping in his room, and they saw, and maybe it's associated to your like swirling lights, but they saw orbs that like floated out of your closet and went into the hallway. So I mean, they were colorful orbs. I I remember they were like it was like a red and a green, maybe. I'm not sure what colors they were exactly, but they floated out and went into the hallway. So it makes total sense, like you said.

SPEAKER_03 17:03

Yeah, there was there was one night where again all this stuff all this stuff happens, it never okay, a lot of it happens at different periods of time during the day. The the normal encounters, I would say normal encounters, none of it's really normal. Yeah, no, it's but the normal encounters would happen at some point during the day. But there was one night, again, I'm up late and I'm drawing this time, and I'm getting ready to go to again. I'm I'm getting tired, so I'm putting all my stuff away. And in this up, up in this, up on the roof, I start hearing this like something's walking on the roof, and it starts walking back and forth, back and forth, and then it runs really quickly, and it's almost like it jumped off. But it was, I I yeah. That was again, it was one of those.

SPEAKER_01 17:52

Didn't we check for like hooves?

SPEAKER_03 17:53

We checked for we checked for footprints, we checked for hooves, we checked for things, because I mean superstition, right?

SPEAKER_01 17:58

Yeah, you're auto you're automatically gonna go to it being a demon.

SPEAKER_03 18:02

Yeah, a demon or something, something bad is happening. Uh there used to be a superstition that uh anytime you would hear the dogs howl in unison, that the angel of death was pat was passing over. And that happened a couple of times in the middle of the night where you would hear one of them start howling and then all of them start howling in succession. It's like something's passing over in your mind, right? You're like you hear this story of the angel of death passing over to claim somebody, and you hear these dogs as you know, way down the street, and here it comes, and then our dog, and then all the other dogs, and you're like, oh my God. Time to pray.

SPEAKER_01 18:39

In our last place that we lived in, we lived in um, it was called Buckingham, but there um we called it Barkingham on our street. It was a cul-de-sac. Our dogs would bark in unison, but it was because of the UPS truck. Not because of any ghost, but it was definitely like in unison. It would start at the end and go around the cul-de-sac. It was uh yeah.

SPEAKER_03 19:01

Yeah, there is there's been all kinds of interesting things. One of the houses that we're at, uh I don't know, we told you in our last podcast that you know our sister is also very spiritual, but I I we think that she attracts things or she has things that are attached to her. And one of the one of the times where she was at our place, you could feel a shift in energy happen. And I'm walking down the stairs in in the early morning, and I could very distinctly hear little girls talking. And as I walk down the stairs, I can hear them talking, and I get down to the bottom of the stairs and it stops.

SPEAKER_00 19:34

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 19:34

And I'm like, we don't have any little girls here. What is happening? And I immediately, you know, send a text to my sister and I go, Who did you bring with you? Because there was no, there is nothing here. There are no little girls here, but yet these two little girls are having a conversation in the house.

SPEAKER_01 19:52

That is awesome.

SPEAKER_03 19:53

So there's some kind of energy that was there. But after she left, there was no more of that.

SPEAKER_01 19:58

It was gone.

SPEAKER_03 19:58

It was gone.

SPEAKER_01 19:59

After Thanksgiving, though, you had mentioned that, and this was a sec a separate incident that she left like a residual energy at your well, so in our newest house that we were at, I we're having Thanksgiving dinner.

SPEAKER_03 20:14

My sister comes over and my friend Ireland comes over. And this is the first time that she had she had come over and she's extremely intuitive. And one of the things that she says is she's like, Who is the lady in that room? And we're like, What are you talking about? There's nobody in the room. She's all there's a lady in the room. I can see her.

SPEAKER_00 20:31

Oh wow.

SPEAKER_03 20:33

And that room is one of those rooms where my my wife, she sees shadows. She sees peep, you know, shadows peeking out of the room and then going back into the room. So it was interesting that she had said that, that my friend Ireland had said that, that there's somebody in that room. And you can see sometimes you see shadows, sometimes you'll see orbs passing by. But there is definitely something that was attached to that area of the room. And it and maybe it could be again, it could be uh a spirit that existed there before that property went up, because those houses are brand new. Or it could be um again a parallel timeline.

SPEAKER_00 21:07

Right, right.

SPEAKER_03 21:08

Where somebody's just going about their business, but things overlap and you're able to see them in some way.

SPEAKER_01 21:13

For sure. That is definitely possible. Yeah, I was talking to Claudia the other day after we recorded our episode, and she was telling us how um that house she would see, she would be opening the refrigerator, and then she would see hands going onto the refrigerator, and then see someone like poking peeking at her. And I would I would be terrified. I would be terrified whether it be that instance, but she had a lot of that like peeking out ghost.

SPEAKER_03 21:42

Yeah, nothing nothing ever uh malevolent, nothing that was throwing things, none of that stuff. It was just basically a lot of looking.

SPEAKER_01 21:52

Yeah, definitely.

SPEAKER_03 21:53

Which is really interesting when you think about it. You just see things that are like, huh, when was over there?

SPEAKER_01 21:58

Right, right.

SPEAKER_03 22:00

Maybe I can see through the the veil a little bit and see what's what's going on.

SPEAKER_00 22:04

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 22:05

My dad used to work for a a children's foundation and they had houses and a couple of the different houses were up in a place called Idlewild, which was up in the mountains, and it's a pretty isolated, secluded place. And there was a house that we would call the gingerbread house because it was it was pretty much made, everything was made of wood, and it was colorfully decorated.

SPEAKER_01 22:25

Colorfully decorated, a lot of ornate. Um I don't even know what they're called, but just ornamental things around the house, around the beams. And yeah.

SPEAKER_03 22:35

Yeah, things happened there.

SPEAKER_01 22:36

It was like a three-story house, but there was just some off-energy.

SPEAKER_03 22:40

There was. There was off-energy, and you could sometimes things would you could swear you put something down and then it was moved to some other place. And we found out that when they bought the house, sure enough, there was somebody who committed suicide in that house. So it's one of those things where you're like, man, is the act of doing something like that leaves such an imprint where there's energy, or or is there the potential that people some part of consciousness stays there because the impact of leaving your body was so sudden?

SPEAKER_01 23:14

Yeah. Yeah. I remember um dad coming home scared one day because he had gone up there to prep for they would have like present like plays, essentially, plays that would happen in these places. And he had gone up to prep, and then he was mentioning how he walked in, and they had, mind you, they were automatic blinds, but they had the automatic blinds that started going up on their own, and there was like no explanation to it, and he ended up like just freaking out so much, and he's like, Oh my god, you'll never guess what happened to me. And I think that was his biggest experience there from that spirit or that residual hunting that was there.

SPEAKER_03 23:53

Oh, absolutely. Absolutely. I had uh our college was, as we mentioned before, was also pretty haunted. There was a lot of things happened. Like you could, I mentioned before, you can hear voices in in rooms that they just didn't exist. Sometimes you would, if you were unlucky enough, you would have a room where because I mean people did kill themselves at that college.

SPEAKER_01 24:15

Oh, for sure.

SPEAKER_03 24:16

You know, people passed away from various things there over time. And so there is a lot of there is a lot of energy there. But I remember one dream that I had, and I don't know, it was it was like the in-between state where you're some people call it sleep paralysis, where you're kind of awake, but you're not. And I'm laying in my again, I'm laying in my bed and I'm sleeping, but I'm sleeping on my back. And I see this black figure. This time I could see it, and it comes through the, it comes through the the window and it comes over me, and it's just hovering over me. And I can just see the black shape, and it's just sitting there hovering. And I'm freaking out at that point. And then, you know, being that I was very religious at that point, I started reciting uh Michael the Archangel prayer. And I found a way to break the paralysis, and I grabbed whatever it was by the throat. I could remember, I could just grabbing this thing by the throat and then pushing it out the window again. And it was a it was a very I was so freaked out that something like that happened out of nowhere.

SPEAKER_01 25:23

That is pretty significant.

SPEAKER_03 25:24

Yeah, it was it was super impactful and very, very scary. And at the time, growing up in a very religious household, you were like, okay, what kind of demonic entity was sent and who sent it?

SPEAKER_01 25:36

Yeah. Yeah. So that um the sleep paralysis thing is probably one of the most frightening things that can happen to a person. I remember um our sister, Veronica. She um, she and I shared a bedroom, and there was a moment where I hadn't fully fallen asleep yet, but she had. And then I can see her gasping for air with her eyes wide open, and she was just like, other than gasping for air with her eyes wide wide open, she couldn't move. And so I went over and I was like shaking her to get up, and finally she was able to break it, but she was like, There was something above me, and it wasn't letting me breathe. And that was um terrifying. But again, like holy water action constantly. Um, I don't remember how many times I mean it was really like second nature. Whenever we had anything happen, that next thing, the next action would be going through all the rooms and sprinkling holy water everywhere. Um, there were so many times that after the first time that I had seen the spirits, that I saw other like full apparitions um go into our room and I would I would freeze, and then the next thing I would like either run to my parents' room or just close my eyes, start singing, and then run to my bedroom just to hope that I can get away from whatever it was. But there, yeah, there were so many times that just a lot of scary things. So that brings into question like almost like curses or like whatever it is that you're worried about in life. If you have fear of something, when you break that fear, is it whether you're using something protection, is it you empowering the protection that manifests the energy to dissolve whatever it is, like holy water or an amulet or whatever it is?

SPEAKER_03 27:38

I think so. You think so? I think so. I think it's your belief system.

SPEAKER_01 27:41

Or do you think it's actual holy water is legit?

SPEAKER_03 27:44

No, I think if you believe it to be legit, it is legit. And it'll have whatever impact it is that you think it's going to have on whatever you're using it for.

SPEAKER_00 27:53

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 27:53

But it's your belief and the intention that you put behind it. Because what you're doing when you're casting, when you're sprinkling holy water everywhere, is you're setting that intention and you're casting a spell. You're casting your own spell on it. So that spell is protection.

SPEAKER_00 28:09

Right.

SPEAKER_03 28:10

So your energy is going out there saying, okay, with this water, and water is a natural conduit of energy.

SPEAKER_01 28:16

Correct.

SPEAKER_03 28:16

With this water, I'm going to protect this whole area. But it's your energy and your intention that's putting it up.

SPEAKER_01 28:22

So you think that um obviously water is pure, water is, it lives within us, or like we're almost entirely made of water. Um the power that's within it, um, there are there are so many components to it. I actually posted a thing on TikTok of all the different things. Even throughout history, that water held this sacred, almost sacred wisdom because it has memories, right? It's a container. It has memories. It's in the container. Um, so I think it's interesting that I do think that there's something to it. I think that there's something to it only because I do believe in that there's a thing of demonic possession or entity possession. And I do believe that there are people out there that can exercise those spirits using um the rights of exorcism and then also using holy water as a tool for that as well.

SPEAKER_03 29:17

Interesting. And we can talk about that in another episode.

SPEAKER_01 29:19

That will be another episode.

SPEAKER_03 29:21

But I'll I'll tell you one last story because I have all kinds of things that that happen to me, and especially uh as you keep going on your journey and you're awake and you kind of see the world for what it is, and you start delving into all of these different philosophies and religions and kind of searching. I I had a very vivid dream one night, and um, it woke me up in the middle of the night. It was like 3:33 in the morning. It woke me up, and I was I was awake in, I was very awake, and I was a little bit freaked out of from the dream. Yeah, I was I dreamt that I had met a bunch of um a bunch of spirit guides. They were my spirit guides that I that I was talking to. And as I woke up, I s I just sat in my bed for a little bit, but I felt something. I felt like there was another presence there, right? Something had come through.

SPEAKER_00 30:18

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 30:18

When I woke up in that time where I was in between, I something had come through. And I felt it, and I I had a conversation at that point internally, and maybe I was still asleep, maybe I wasn't, right? I was still kind of in that groggy in-between state. But I asked it what it what its name was. I said, What's your name? And why are you here? Here to help. What are you here to help for? And then it says, You have something on your back.

SPEAKER_01 30:46

Ew, creepy.

SPEAKER_03 30:47

And I was like, oh, and it kind of showed me what was what was on my back. And it it totally freaked me out. Right. It was one of those things where you're just like, is this really happening? Am I still dreaming? You know, what's the what's what's this? Why am I awake at 333 in the morning? So you start questioning all of these things. Right. And uh there was this whole other series of events that happened from that point on where if you believe in in deities or angels or um higher level beings that you can call in to help to channel energy to kind of help you through it. I basically did that and went through that process and and it was a very, it was a very at first it was scary, but then it became not, because you start realizing that all of this is ultimately you and your intention and your energy that you're putting out there to help yourself.

SPEAKER_00 31:46

Who did you call on?

SPEAKER_03 31:47

Uh the archangels, Archangel Michael, Raphael, Gabriel, and Uriel, and Anubis. Oh and yeah, they they showed up. You feel the power the instant these entities or beings come in and uh they assisted in that in that pulling whatever it was that was attached to me and attachment. Yeah. I mean, we can talk about that in the next podcast. But the attachment that was there and um it it got rid of it. They got rid of it. And it was one of those things where it changed my perspective on what exists and what doesn't exist in in this world. And maybe it was something that my mind created, maybe I was in the in-between state, but it was one of those things that was so vivid and so real in between me waking up and then in that in-between state and having all of these things happen. So it's just uh if any of you guys have ever gone through an experience like that or um dreamt or been in that in-between state where you see things happen or you're more aware of things happen, I would love to hear it because I'm pretty sure that I'm not the only one who's experienced uh things like that. Or, you know, you would call them paranormal occurrences or spiritual occurrences in some way. But I would love to hear. Love to hear. So send me an email at the vineandheve at gmail.com and let's talk because those uh those experiences are fascinating.

SPEAKER_00 33:20

Yeah. That it is.

SPEAKER_03 33:22

I mean, you your brain is amazing, but also your consciousness. You don't know where consciousness sits. Yeah. Ultimately.

SPEAKER_01 33:29

There's so many things that we don't know of what we can and can't do. I mean, we're only using a small percentage of our brain, and there are so many things that are fascinating, like the Buddhist monks that can go into these states of meditation um without eating or drinking for long periods of time, where the other common man would pretty much kill over from it.

SPEAKER_03 33:53

Um, there's just again, that's that's another one of those ideas if you subscribe to them, that everything here is an illusion.

SPEAKER_00 34:00

Right, right.

SPEAKER_03 34:02

So maybe they figured out a way to see past that illusion and they're able to do all of these things because they're harnessing their true energy or their true abilities to be able to accomplish those.

SPEAKER_00 34:15

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 34:16

So interesting. So interesting. Well, that is the end of this podcast. I hope you guys enjoyed it. It was definitely fun going down memory lane and talking about some of these things. Um, I'm sure we'll we'll think of more as we as we start uh looking at other things that have happened in our in our in our lives, but uh I think this is a good place to put a pin in this one. And in the next podcast, we will delve into attachments, uh, exorcisms, things like that, because you know we we have uh very differing opinions on on those, and I think it'd be really good to discuss.

SPEAKER_00 34:56

Yeah, absolutely.

SPEAKER_03 34:57

So thank you guys for your time. We'll see you soon.

SPEAKER_01 35:00

Thank you. Bye bye.