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Sibling Paranormal Files: Our Childhood Ghost Stories

• The Vine & The Veil • Season 1 • Episode 10

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We're bringing our sister into the veil to revisit the creepy experiences that defined our childhood. Together, we share firsthand accounts of strange sightings, and  unsettling nights!

SPEAKER_04

Welcome everybody to The Vine and the Veil, the podcast where we dive between worlds to reveal the mysteries of the light and the dark, the wisdom of the spiritual, the wonder of the mystical, and the power of the supernatural. I'm Carlos, your host, and this is of course our sister, special guest, Veronica, who decided to join us today for this podcast episode.

SPEAKER_01

Middle sister in the middle.

SPEAKER_04

Yeah, in the middle, always in the middle, in between. Ready fight. Yeah, and by the way, when I was younger, I would always break up fights between the two of them. They wouldn't get an argument over everything. But that's neither here nor there. And today we're gonna talk about what?

SPEAKER_01

We are doing our childhood ghost stories part two. So we are getting our perspective from Veronica because we have you veil walkers already know what our history has been. But we were speaking on your behalf. But I thought it would be best for you to speak what you've experienced.

SPEAKER_04

So yeah, and so we're gonna touch on a couple of different things. We're gonna touch on childhood ghost stories because we house was haunted, as you guys know, and we've all experienced different things. And so it'd be really good to get our sister's perspective on some of the things she saw because they were a little bit different from the things that we did, and just kind of experiences that we've had as we've continued to move on this journey in life. And then we can touch on things like astral projection, which we just talked about, sleep paralysis, astral projection, and kind of hear your perspective on what you think of it, and you've experienced it obviously yourself. And then the fun stuff, which is basically demons, do they exist, vampires, do they exist, and all of that fun stuff, because I think that's something that you guys obviously are interested in. So let's get started.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah. So I think it kind of goes into all of this. We did have a really interesting experience as we were waiting for Veronica to show up today, where I'm gonna ask her at some point whether she astral projected before she got here, because I think that's a possibility. But our door just front door swung open on its own. And then Daniel, my husband, and I were talking about it. Then Carlos comes in and we tell him what happened. And as we're talking about it, we hear three knocks. So completely out of nowhere, Daniel was a little obsessed because I was like, Oh, welcome. Yeah, I guess that's a big no-no.

SPEAKER_04

So quickly I wrote you're welcoming in a vampire, right? Like the vampire is at the door, and you're like, Oh, hi, Mr. Vampire, welcome. You can have free access to the house.

SPEAKER_01

Oops. So, of course, I got a lot of crap from both my husband and Carlos. So I ran into the bedroom. I got the six grandfathers, is that what that incense that we got from the rose, the sword in the rose from the witchy shop in San Francisco, banished whatever was here, cleared out any spirits, but just out of curiosity, since you were on your way, was there a possibility that you were kind of astral projecting into our house?

SPEAKER_00

So I I think first and foremost, this is really cool because we all grew, even though we grew up in the same house, each of us had different experiences, just like every family does. But I think it's also an adulthood has brought us closer together because now we have this cool perspective and can take in our perspectives. You know, after all these years, I think we've been like rolling these things over in our mind. Was this real? Was this not? What the hell is going on? Why is this happening to me? Why am I feeling this way? And then come to know, hey, this person sees stuff, oh, this person feels stuff, they're in your family. Okay, so maybe we are all experiencing something, but in a way, our gifts are what's showing us. So I think that's really cool that we're able to do this right now. And as far as that, the interesting thing is this morning when I was in between sleep, right? What what came what showed me? And so things show themselves to me in and images and words, and I hear things, and I saw in big fat balloon letters, but almost like psychedelic was ghosts. That was the thing that that showed up, and I start laughing because I knew we were gonna I was gonna come here to do this podcast, and this is what we were gonna talk about. So it was either them telling me that get prepared, this is what we're gonna do. But uh, as I was getting my stuff together to get here, I thought, okay, they're gonna need some avaflorida, which is Florida water for floral water. And what that is, is a clearer of spirits and things that is used in um traditional Mexican magic or bujeria. So I have had a brew macerating for the last three weeks. So I brought it here to actually give to them. So I think that was significant enough because something did come to visit them today. So it wasn't me, but I was prepared for what was here, and and that's what we have in here is is yeah.

SPEAKER_04

So Veronica, Veronica is as part of the, she's the seeker of the group, and she goes and learns everything about everything. So right now she's on a on a uh quest to become more of a curandera or a healer type by understanding different combinations of plants, herbs, and how they work and what properties they actually have, which is kind of cool. So we get the we get to enjoy the benefits of all of that.

SPEAKER_01

She's not necessarily a botany class, but what is up here in Northern California, there's an herbal school that teaches you how to create tinctures and how to basically become an herbologist.

SPEAKER_00

But I think it's more than that, you develop a relationship with plants, and I really believe that plants are living beings and they bring us medicine and you have a relationship with them, and you talk to them and they offer themselves to us for that medicinal purpose. And so we put it in a bottle, and maybe I'll put like the vine in the veil on here with your little moon with that would be maybe if you guys want some of this, it's actually pretty cool because it was mean on the full moon.

SPEAKER_01

And there's obsidian in there, even better, and obsidian from our land. Yeah, because that's one thing she asked, and I was like, let's explore and find some. So we were able to get some, and next thing I know, she's with a hammer chiseling little pieces off and putting it inside of her little bottles of uh floral.

SPEAKER_04

So not only do we have the the mixture of all of those herbs, but we have obsidian and it's made with full moon water.

SPEAKER_01

Yes.

SPEAKER_04

Or under the full moon.

SPEAKER_01

That's a complex um Reiki as well.

SPEAKER_04

Oh, damn, extra.

SPEAKER_01

She's a Reiki master. So we actually learned Reiki from nuns in Southern California. I only got to level one. She went above and beyond and decided to go and get her master's on her exploration into the esoteric. And what spurred you on that? Like, how did you get on that journey?

SPEAKER_00

I think I wanted an answer to everything that I've gone through. I think if we want to start talking about that, going back to as a child seeing things and my mom being scared that I was seeing things, I think that I would tell her that she wasn't my mom. I'm assuming that I had a my past life still came in with me as a child, so I couldn't understand who is this like indigenous-looking woman that's my mother. You're not my mom. Right. Because our mother was very indigenous.

SPEAKER_04

My mom was a six foot four white lady in the Nordic Valley.

SPEAKER_01

So we were like, I was a Viking.

unknown

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01

So this time where you were talking about mom not being your mom, was that during the time frame of the bird?

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, well, and then the the the whole bird thing is I used to see things outside of the window of where we used to live. And I was really little, apparently not able to talk clearly. So a toddler. And most of this stuff is fuzzy. I do remember the room, I do remember the window, and I remember eyes, but I don't remember an exact shape of what things were. And of course, as years go by, kind of like those memories are fuzzy. But my dad did bring that up again with me probably about a year ago, what that was, because I was always curious what the hell happened.

SPEAKER_04

We lived in a trailer park. That was when we were still living in a in a trailer park. So there were we had bunk beds, and there was a window right next to the bunk beds.

SPEAKER_01

Because I even born yet. You were big.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, you were you were small, I must have been like maybe a year old.

SPEAKER_02

You were small.

SPEAKER_00

So actually, if I was like, let's say I was two, no, you weren't born, mom was pregnant with you. Interesting.

SPEAKER_01

So the question that I have, and I'm sure some of our veil walkers also have in you as well, is do you remember anything about when she dropped you off with the witch? Oh, I'll dropped you off with the witch. I mean, I'm curious.

SPEAKER_00

I mean, okay, so mom never wanted to tell the truth about that. All she would say is skimp over. A lady came and took care of what was happening with me. And then again, here again when dad like told the truth because my dad was always hushed by my mom, don't say anything. So apparently this went on until I was like six years old, which is kind of crazy. I thought it was six years. Yeah. So by that point, we were already moved into this new house, and my mom like didn't know what to do because I I was highly sensitive and I was seeing so many things and feeling so many things, and it was just very overwhelming. And I think she just didn't have the capacity to understand. But now that I look back on it, I think she was very fearful of what was going on.

SPEAKER_04

Yeah, I I don't think that she didn't have the capacity to understand. I think she was legitimately trying to keep you from that because she knew that that existed in our family because her mom was that. So she didn't it was almost like she wanted to erase that whole part or existence there. Like she didn't want that to happen, so she was gonna do whatever it took, even though she was highly religious, to put a block on it.

SPEAKER_01

So let's dial down. So what you're really implying is that she knew that essentially your third eye was open, that you maybe inherited the the lineage, yes, and she kioshed it. Yeah, absolutely. Wow. I never really thought of that perspective.

SPEAKER_04

Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_01

That's interesting. I mean, and you know mom. She was very much not wanting. I mean, there was fear in that too, because her mom died very young. So is that something that she the fear of losing somebody because they're exploring or working that practice? Is that the reason be behind her fear?

SPEAKER_04

I think that it was because she's so heavily indoctrinated into the church.

SPEAKER_01

It could be it.

SPEAKER_04

That everything that it existed outside of that purview that wasn't blessed by the church is yeah, is bad. It was evil.

SPEAKER_00

So the irony about all that is that she's the one that found the bruha, let's just call her that, or the medicine woman, uh, to come and help because she actually sought out our grandmother, who at the time on our paternal grandmother's side, that was kind of mixing up in that kind of thing. She was active, right? She was active in that kind of thing. I mean, she went on and talked about she was speaking the spirits of discernment, discernment.

SPEAKER_01

She astral projected. I think that was in our last episode.

SPEAKER_00

Oh, that's the whole interesting thing. So they found somebody, they came over to our house, and my dad told me she brought like a pot thing and and had stuff in it, I'm assuming herbs, and she was adding stuff to it, and she had my mom and dad stand by the the water, I think, or cauldron. I'm assuming it's a cauldron, and uh I'm not too sure because it's so fuzzy. But we were you, me and Maddie were sitting on the couch watching everything go down, right? And my dad said that he they saw like smoke coming out and like an entity come through. So I don't know if she was uh extracting things from my dad at the time because our dad is a war veteran, and there's a lot of attachments that that man had. Or hat yeah, has it?

SPEAKER_04

I mean, what if it what this is crazy?

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, I mean, this is not a story we're gonna do.

SPEAKER_04

I'm wondering, I'm wondering if that was the reason what opened the portal. Probably was her doing intent. And this can happen sometimes, right? People the intent is there to do good, right? But in the process of doing that, you are you are going and opening up something that you don't fully understand.

SPEAKER_02

Correct.

SPEAKER_04

And I think maybe that could be something that happened that actually allowed whatever additional things that were that were there in the house to kind of either amplify or something else came through.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, I I I a hundred percent believe I'm kind of getting images of that right now.

SPEAKER_04

Yeah, me too.

SPEAKER_00

I clearly don't in that place. But he his dad said that he felt better after that which was attached to him was taken away. But then she turned to my mom and said and pointed at me that she I needed to go with her for 24 hours. And when my dad said that to me, I said, What? Who does that? Now who the hell lets their kid who's six years old go to a complete stranger for 24 hours? Like, you must be really desperate by that point. So then I started thinking, like, what the hell was I saying and doing? And then and I mean uh most probably families that have children that are highly sensitive and start speak things of knowing and and understanding and maybe have remote viewing, astral projection, or even being feeling things right and seeing things because the third eyes open. They don't know what to do with them. And we obviously know many many of them get sent to psychology and whatever to kind of medicated hallucinations or whatever. But in my mom's case, it's like she went back to an old tradition that she knew was real for her and for her culture, and decided to do bring me into that.

SPEAKER_01

And for someone to be so fearful of that and like rebuke it to go to that when she's the most desperate, like that. It's interesting, right?

SPEAKER_04

It's it's very interesting. Like the only thing that I remember seeing when you would say that stuff about the bird or whatever it was, I just saw shadow in the window. I never saw what you saw, but I saw there was there was something that definitely was there. But I didn't, I never thought that it was scary.

SPEAKER_00

And that's what I think that wasn't. I don't the way I look at it is I don't think the things are as good or bad, positive, negative, things like that. These are all just energies, right? Some are like higher higher vibrational energies that you feel, some are a little bit more stagnant, so you feel a little different way inside you. So I am not a hundred percent sure what that was, but it was symbolizing something.

SPEAKER_04

Right. I mean, it could be anything, right? When you think about it, it could be something that had remembered you from a past incarnation. It could be a guardian that was there to watch over you that somehow mom was afraid of, and now all of a sudden it blocked it from taking care of you.

SPEAKER_01

The question I have now is mom never admitted to seeing things, like I don't remember her ever admitting to seeing things, but what if she was seeing what you saw?

SPEAKER_00

And that's what amplified her fear layer to that. Maybe she did see that. But see, I don't remember her seeing seeing like because she would believe us when we would say things, right? But then she would always send dad to go do stuff like the holy water or St. Michael, right? Because dad didn't really pray.

SPEAKER_04

Dad didn't really fully believe until he started seeing.

SPEAKER_00

But the very interesting thing about him, since I spent some time with my dad for a while, he started speaking about having dreams and premonitions and all this stuff. And then like, wait a minute, y'all kept on hiding this stuff from me, and I've been having these things happen, and I become a seeker for these explanations. But right, the source was is right there, and they weren't even speaking about it because of out of fear or no, you're not supposed to, you know, religious trauma, you know, all of those things that we can name that are when someone comes to a different country being assimilated into that new culture, you know, what was right or wrong, and forgetting the old ways. But yeah, I was like shocked when he started talking about things, and then I asked him, I'm like, Dad, why didn't you say anything? Like, you know, I see things and hear and have these dreams, and he's like, Well, you know, your mom, she didn't want me to say anything. And I'm like, You were surprising it too. Like, it would have been such a I think personally much more healthier childhood if they would have been open with these types of things, so then the gifts can develop right uh over that time of childhood versus trying to figure out what the heck where you fit into things and what's going on with you, what's happening, okay. This is strange, you know, or am I hallucinating, all those kinds of things that happen, or or even being scared because then they start putting that fear in it that this is bad that you're going through, that you're feeling oh, the spirits are after you, or that's demonic, or it was always demonic.

SPEAKER_04

It was always whatever else.

SPEAKER_01

It was indoctrinated that's that was what the church taught, right? You never hear people, or even in spirits in general, you very rarely hear recount stories about friendly spirits. It's almost always whether they were like terrifying spirits, like malevolent spirits, or a demon.

SPEAKER_00

I think spirits were just one word bad.

SPEAKER_01

Yes.

SPEAKER_04

Anything outside of what was practiced in the church or taught in the church was bad. So that's kind of how we grew up.

SPEAKER_00

But that's the irony because back in the Latin Mass, they used the Latin Mass to summon and conjure, and the people is a mass were used as that energy to amplify right, all of that.

SPEAKER_04

So it's it's is it's basic, it's a basic ritual. It is ritualistic, absolutely.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, so it uh so that whole childhood uh experience and kind of the universal flashlight flashing on what happened to me was was quite a story. And from what I remember, I remember a woman, older woman. I remember going to house it, and I remember a lot of stuff happening. I remember plants or herbs, and I remember a another a basin with water in it and like some noise being made. And I think, and I'm making an assumption, she was trying to bring me back in. She was trying to bring my essence back in of who I am, who I'm supposed to be, or or that. But I also think there was a a a block of blockages, a blockage of sort, or a how do how did I feel about this this morning? Like a binding of sorts so that I no longer would see and I would no longer feel the way I did. And I asked my dad afterwards when I came back. I'm all you're lucky I came back. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01

Like, geez. I know. I'm still worried about that happening.

SPEAKER_04

I wonder, I wonder if that ritual that she performed with mom and dad there was basically a binding ritual for everybody.

SPEAKER_01

It could have been.

SPEAKER_04

Maybe like that's what mom wanted, and so that's what she did. Right. So that's why we were all there.

SPEAKER_00

Right. Because I I I'm very surprised that it involved all of us because why why did they have us instead of instead of them going to this person's space, why did they have to come to our house? And then why did I have to go? Yes. Right. Yes. And then the other thing you can look at, what was I caring? Did I have an attachment with me? Did she remove an attachment? Or was I the source of all the chaos?

SPEAKER_01

Or did you need more binding work because you were more open than we were?

SPEAKER_04

Maybe so many. There's so many different possibilities, right? That are there.

SPEAKER_01

I mean, 24 hours is a really long time.

SPEAKER_04

Yeah, I mean, that's so I think after that point, I just imagine imagine if that would happen in this day and age, you get CPS call over 3.5 seconds.

SPEAKER_00

I mean, that's like this, but so six, that still was um 1979, almost 80.

SPEAKER_04

Yep.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, when no one really cared.

SPEAKER_04

Nobody really cared.

SPEAKER_00

I was four, three or four. Yeah, it was it's it's wild when you start thinking about that. So part of my seeking was that was to find out what happened to me.

SPEAKER_02

Try to find answers.

SPEAKER_00

Find answers because I've always had this knowing and feeling, and then I have the extreme state that's very active, and I also have this hearing and and seeing of things. And I call them they. I don't have an answer to them because I don't identify with a guide, I don't identify with spirits, you know, or like ancestors, I haven't. Gotten to that point yet, but I I label them as they or them because I'm not sure what it is, right? I don't know. That makes sense. Or is it really my inner teacher or my higher self? Yeah. Right. Or my future self telling me these are also a possible. I don't label it anything. I just say, okay, this is the guidance that I'm getting and this is the direction I'm gonna go, or this is the message that I have to give to someone. Yeah, this is what's coming through. And then the message is very usually I approach it as I am not sure why I uh need to tell you this, but blah blah blah blah blah blah.

SPEAKER_03

Right.

SPEAKER_00

And you do with it with the and then whatever you're gonna take it and do whatever you want with it, and that's just it. There's no more detail to it. Right. Because once you go into detail, then your mind comes online and adds the detail and the pretty stuff to it, which may not be valid and throws off the whole suggestion, right? That that you do give. So it's been it was an interesting experience, you can say and and I'm still trying to figure it out. There's still a part of me that wants to know what it was. I mean, I could guess I can do hypnotherapy, yeah. Maybe go back to that spot when that happened, so then I can see it. You never know. But yeah, I don't know.

unknown

I don't know.

SPEAKER_04

Some things are just better left alone. Maybe right. Where you're just like, hey, you know what? It happened. Yeah. Uh that was a thing. And maybe you know, when you think about the the journey that everybody's on, maybe that was it was meant to be so. Right.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah. That you're meant to be at this point in time in your spiritual development, and that happened only because of that. Correct.

SPEAKER_04

It pushed you to want to seek motion.

SPEAKER_01

I mean, that kind of is true for you too, right?

SPEAKER_04

Like Yeah. For me, it was just the heavy religious indoctrination that we went through. And looking back on some of the things that I felt or experienced, that was either my higher self or me or a future self or whatever it was that was trying to communicate with me at the time. But those feelings, because of how fearful mom was and what she told us, I interpreted that as something bad.

SPEAKER_03

Right.

SPEAKER_04

And I immediately started praying and trying to make it all go away. And so you shut it out.

SPEAKER_01

You shut it out.

SPEAKER_04

You shut it out because of that, as opposed to looking back on it, going, man, if I would have just understood or had somebody to tell me, hey, those those are it's fine. You know, keep working, keep developing these skills, these abilities, it would have been different.

SPEAKER_00

Imagine how good we would be at remote viewing.

SPEAKER_04

Oh, we'd be incredible at remote viewing and all of that stuff.

SPEAKER_01

I have not started my journey to spiritual development on the way that they have. Like Reiki is pretty much the extent of it. Meditation, that was a kind of a changing point for me. But to go deep into like other esoteric practices, I haven't really delved into that. I don't know if I don't, there's not necessarily anything holding me from that, but I just don't know if I feel like I need it. But it would be interesting to try to develop some of it. I mean, it is it's interesting.

SPEAKER_04

I think one of the things that I've learned that comes hand in hand with all of that stuff is just the idea that in order to fully embrace your abilities and learn, you have to do a lot of the work inside of yourself and face yourself and face the challenges that you've gone through in your life and all the traumas that you've had, and work through all of those in order to really, really be able to actually open yourself up to experience those things. Because if you don't do it that way, then you know it just becomes a little more challenging. And or I think sometimes people get stuck in a specific practice because that's what fills their cup and that's what becomes their identity. Right. Because of something that they're trying to fill, a void they're trying to fill, or they feel the ego push, like anything like that. And so the more you work you do on yourself to get yourself in a better place, the more you can basically the more energy you can actually hold within your vessel.

SPEAKER_01

And I went to the route of therapy. Like I I had three different therapists in my life, and all three of them, I was so fortunate, they were all amazing, and brought me to enlightenment for what I needed at that moment. But I do think I can find enlightenment in going down the spiritual path. I just need to figure out where my jumping point will be. So it's interesting.

SPEAKER_00

I think that like just like with everything, I think we our brain and our mind wants a recipe for everything. Structure, the number, how to do X, Y, and Z. Because this is the truth, and that's what it is. But in reality, we're ever evolving and things evolve for the energies that are around us. I mean, everything is cyclical, but it goes by within years, sometimes hours, and things like that. So nothing is ever the same at all. So it is normal for these like rituals, these learnings, these teachings to shift and change over time as we shift and change as well. And that's how we maintain that balance, right? Is to be able to be flexible and understanding and know ourselves so then we know what resonates with us. So then we actually have a practice that helps us, right? Pone in on our gifts, understand things a little bit more, and then actually question everything, right? I love questioning everything. I think that's the biggest thing that I've learned is like I don't like using, you know, that's my truth or whatever, because your truth today is different than tomorrow. So that's uh almost an invalid lazy word. So it's all about what's happening in this moment in time and whatever energies are here, how can you hone in on those to be able to help you evolve more and in what focus, whatever focus you you have in mind to accomplish whatever that is, you know, along along your timeline.

SPEAKER_01

And be willing to acknowledge that somebody else's truth, somebody else's truth isn't going to be your truth, right? You need to be curious to explore what your truth is. So, like all of us in our spiritual journeys, like your truth, your truth, and my truth are entirely different things. And we do maybe have an influence on each other, but not necessarily driving, I mean, your your practice has been completely different in what you're exploring versus what you're exploring. So it's all fascinating, but being curious, you know, is always a good thing.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, it's I think it's pretty cool. I mean, there's so much to learn out there, which is amazing. So many things to learn. Yeah. And and you know, if you taught tell me about vampires, I'm like, okay, cool, let's hear about it. Yeah, I want to know because that's not my world, right? I don't I don't see that world or I haven't gone into that world. And I if you come and and start talking about that, I'll be like, all right, then tell me and show me. Like, why not? Right? Yeah, why not? Yeah, like I'm not gonna invalidate you because uh there's this preconceived notion about things, but no, it's like what you are and who you are and who you are in that moment in time, then hey, yeah, so be it.

SPEAKER_04

And I and I think that's the that's the other thing too, is you can't invalidate somebody else's reality because you don't see the reality the way they see the reality. And that's the that's the other part. I I don't know what your nervous system is created for you based on your beliefs. If you believe like we talk about all the time, right? If you believe in demons, you believe in vampires, you believe in these things, they will exist for you in your reality.

SPEAKER_01

When you give power to holy water or an onk or a symbol or whatever it is, a prayer, like that's valid to you, and you're that is your belief. Like you give that power, yeah.

SPEAKER_00

You hold its energy, you hold its energy and increase that.

SPEAKER_04

You know what's really interesting. I uh the this leads me to want to talk about crystals because crystals are like the gateway for spirituality for that. It is such a gateway, and you know, as you start going down the path and you start learning more and you start realizing that you're the one that gives power and intention, it's fascinating to think about all of these different crystals and the properties that they've been given. Somebody gave each one of these crystals properties and created the narrative behind the crystals. I'm not I won't I won't invalidate that the each crystal has its own energy signature and vibration and frequency for sure, absolutely. And this is what people feel when you know they put one on and it goes into their field, right? Because it's a different frequency and it's aligning with yours.

SPEAKER_03

Yes.

SPEAKER_04

But the properties that are assigned to each one and the feverent belief that people have in each one of these crystals, for them, great. But you have to realize you're giving that intention and the ability to that thing because you're creating it. You're the creator of it. The crystal itself doesn't have those properties innately. Yeah, you're giving those properties to that crystal.

SPEAKER_01

And I think that's for me, I I mean, I love witchcraft, right? I don't practice it, but I love maybe the theory and the thought about it. But isn't that what goes into every spell? Like those properties, we're embracing those properties, like you embrace them to create and give power to your spell, whether it's protection or binding or whatever it is, your belief, you're giving power to whatever it is, be it a crystal or an herb or uh a spell itself, like that, it's amazing.

SPEAKER_04

Right. And I think that what when it comes to rituals or things like that, I think they're a great way for you to be able to focus on a thing. And human beings like structure, and so there's there's a structure to follow. People are like, okay, cool, I could do this too. Right. I follow the structure, I do the things, I draw the the symbol, and then I put my attention behind it, and things start happening.

SPEAKER_01

Right.

SPEAKER_04

So now I believe that inherently that structure, that ritual has power.

SPEAKER_01

Yes.

SPEAKER_04

Well, you're the one that's giving that power.

SPEAKER_03

Yes.

SPEAKER_04

And I think that's where people kind of, you know, they they get they start falling for the idea that oh, this magic book of all of these things, it can give me power.

SPEAKER_01

Right. So playing devil's advocate. We recently watched the the movie The Witch Hunter. And one of my favorite, there's so many favorite scenes in that movie, but one of my favorite scenes in the movie is like when he's on the airplane and he's like, You put these three crystals together. Do you know, like you uh kind of calling her newbie witch, newbie witch, like you don't always know what you're doing? And it was causing the plane to almost crash, and so he was able to take them and separate them so they would be safe. So, is that how would you explain that? Explaining a movie, explaining Hollywood, but it's based off the theory of like there are certain things that you can mix together, and there's certain things that you should do.

SPEAKER_00

Each thing has a vibration, each thing has an own vibration, right? Each crystal has its own vibration frequency through the properties in alchemy and all that kind of stuff if we want to get into that. Um, so in the past, I think this has come down our DNA. I'm just gonna say that the alchemy has, the crystals have, and the ritual has. Right. I mean Egyptian magic and all of that, talismans, you know, and things of protection, and and and you can see it in every diaspora, right? Is that so that's been handed down to us. I know that sometimes energies can be trapped inside crystals. So crystals hold a unique property, and some are a little bit stronger than others. So I think that's probably where we're getting at is that that these crystals do have these valid properties and they can, and they're very strong, and and they're very unique beings to be able to enhance energies if needed to. I mean, look at your car phones, right? The crystals that are in there communicate, all that kind of stuff. So there is validity to that. Now, Hollywood, I don't know about that. I'm not talking about it. But I do I do believe that if you put certain things together or too many things together, yes, you can totally thrown off by it. If you have like, I got this, I need this one, I need this one for this one, this one, and then you have them all in your pockets. Well, you know, sometimes things counteract each other. Yes, you know, taking something full full of protection. Well, what are you asking for protection? It's protecting you from everything, then. So you know the good and the negative don't come through, so you're missing out on the whole world, right?

SPEAKER_04

So there's there's also that's that's my that's my thing, though, right? At some point, somebody had to assign those properties for you to believe that those existed in the crystals.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, the crystal Bible.

SPEAKER_04

Yeah, that's it.

SPEAKER_00

That was the first person that wrote the book.

SPEAKER_01

I can't remember what her name is.

SPEAKER_04

Right, but somebody, okay.

SPEAKER_01

So then she wrote the book, but somebody like that, she learned that from somebody. I think a lot of spoken words Egyptian mind.

SPEAKER_04

Maybe but how do you how do you assign properties, right? Somebody assigned it.

SPEAKER_01

Like maybe they got they felt they felt something that they assigned to it.

SPEAKER_04

They created a narrative, and then based on how they felt, they said, Oh, this must mean this. Yes, this must mean this. But you know how belief works, right? If enough people believe in it, of course, now all of a sudden this has life and power, yes, frequency. So the more people that believe in anything, whether whether it's crystals, whether it's religions, the more power it has. And so I think that the more people that use crystals and believe in crystals and and do that, of course, in this wonderful experience that we're all in, it's the people's belief that gives it that ability to be able to do this.

SPEAKER_01

I can see that. I can see that. So the only reason why I brought it up is I wanted to get that point. If some things counteract, some things don't mesh together. But you're right, somebody assigned those properties that led to the belief that these things don't mix together. I have noticed a lot on TikTok where the more seasoned witch will often give a fair warning to the newbie witches, pretty much telling them be careful what you're using, because sometimes it might have a negative result versus the the result that you're intending. Right. So that's the only reason why I was trying to pivot there, yeah, not go polygon.

SPEAKER_00

Like old grandmars using a certain crystal or a certain time, you know, for Mercury Saturn, you know, Uranus, whatever, a certain day because it it corresponds to that and it amplifies whatever ritual or whatever summoning that you want to do because it amplifies things. So that's kind of what they're probably getting at and where what they're talking about. But that's also people go into study for that. And um I think that most of what Carlos is also talking about is the gateway. Most people got on the bandwagon, you see it at Urban Outfitters and all the amphology, they're crystals, amethyst. Oh my god, you know, it's it does X, Y, and Z.

SPEAKER_01

Amethyst was your gateway crystal.

SPEAKER_03

Well, amethyst was my burning stone, and also your gateway crystal.

SPEAKER_00

But it is my amplifier on my Reiki board.

SPEAKER_04

So but what's interesting about that on the on the other side of things is the crystals are kind of a lot of people's first foray into spirituality.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, sure.

SPEAKER_04

Because they start delving into that, and then they're like, Oh, well, though there's other things that I can learn outside of this. This is kind of fascinating. Okay, let me try to learn, move on to this practice. Oh, I I know there's a the a practice of Buddhism. Okay, let me try to understand that more. How does that actually work? Or let me try sound bowls. Yes, because sound bowls are interesting, and there's frequency and healing, so it it kind of starts them on a on a journey, a lot of them.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, and I think it just paves away to where when you become for a female the crone, a male the wise man, you take all of that together and then you hone it into your wisdom and your knowledge, and that's what you can teach because it's coming from your experience, whatever, whatever that is, and then you know, people will come to you for the advice and and the understanding and and support, and you can give them all this crystal I use for X, Y, and Z. And that that tradition moves forward with the next person.

SPEAKER_04

Sure. Because I I think that this is at least my my opinion is the people that have dealt in a lot of practices and kind of understand themselves fully, they don't need those things anymore. They don't need symbols, they don't need crystals, they don't need anything because they understand that this is themselves, this is their their energy that they can they can channel energy from the universe that they can channel to be able to do things and manifest what they what they want in this world to kind of help humanity or even help themselves in a way. And so when it comes to crystals for them, they're probably like, okay, let me let me show you and let me understand that this is just the beginning.

SPEAKER_01

Right.

SPEAKER_04

So, yes, uh you know, do all of this, but here are some other things that you can you can then move to so that your education and your knowledge and your path is a little more well-rounded.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, you're you're evolving. I mean, that was my path. I evolved, I started in the regular job, not understanding what was happening, what I was seeing, and then I'm like, oh, across the street are the nuns in the in their little wellness center. I'm gonna check that out. And I'm like, oh, they got it, they understand, they had all this mysticism. This was pre-Benedict, Pope Benedict, when the Jesuits allowed the nuns to be more free with some of the stuff that they were doing, and they were doing a lot of mysticism, you know, a lot of plant medicine kind of stuff, a lot of channeling. That's where Reiki came in, and that's how come they were teaching Reiki. And that was my opening because how can a nun teach you something mom?

SPEAKER_01

Well, yes, like that was the thought. Mom didn't completely frown out.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, they had a mom, but then she was fine with it. But that was my opening, and then it became more of an exploration of different energetic practices and feeling the energy and understanding it and how it works and how you amplify energy, and you can send that to other people to help support them. So that's co-regulation and resonance. That's what that is. So when you're centered and resonant, that goes into goes to somebody that is not regulated and helps settle their nervous system. So I kind of started understanding a little bit more of what was going on.

SPEAKER_01

For me, Reiki was a little more basic than that. I went into it because I was like, it brings me that much closer to being like She Ra because she was able to heal the animals and I wanted to heal the animals. Yeah, that is true. The body is part of the animal. I love animals. Say Francisco.

SPEAKER_00

But it it everybody has some kind of opening, right? And and direction and a path. Some people go hardcore and go into the grimoires and start reading how to conjure and how to you know chaos magic or Wicca or whatever it is that they're drawn to, but it's all an evolution of self.

SPEAKER_04

Yeah, it all exists.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, it does. It does all exist.

SPEAKER_04

This depends on what fills your cup at that given time.

SPEAKER_01

So let's pivot to childhood ghost stories. So you all heard about the painting of the dog that rolled out, freaked us out. We touched on the the cat, Twinkie, jumping around. But I want to hear anything that you remember from your childhood that was like still lingers with you.

SPEAKER_00

There was, I remember there's a lot of sleep paralysis, a lot of being in the in-between uh dreams and and things happening in real life after. Let's see, I remember the death carriage. That was very interesting for me. So we live you did actually hear it. Yeah, I heard it. Okay. So we lived in an area that you it wasn't the sound is different in the desert. I don't know how to explain it.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah, it carries it.

SPEAKER_00

And the carries and the energy is very different in the desert. And at that time there it wasn't very crowded and it wasn't very busy, so there's a lot of empty space. And we so happen to be in an indigenous land if I'm correct.

SPEAKER_04

Oh, yeah, all of it was.

SPEAKER_00

So I remember laying in bed in our room was a hot spot. I swear there's gotta be a pork in there somewhere, but yeah, who knows? And of and of course, you know, when you have young kids that are how your cells are turning over and you're very energetically active, your light is like huge. So that's drawing things into you anyway, into your space. So imagine three developing with all this energy, I'm sure we were like bringing in a lot of stuff. That's why we had activity. If that is the case, that's my theory. But I remember laying in bed and our area was very unique that when the dog started howling, you knew something was going on, right? And I'm not talking one dog, we're talking about you can hear them being set off like one by one, right? And I was like, Oh shoot, what is what is out there? What is outside right now? Because that was. For sure, one of those things in my mind something's happening. And then I started hearing like a rumbling, rumbling, rumbling, rumbling. What what what what? And then I heard hooves of horses, and then I could feel and hear it come over our roof, and our roof was flat, and then it had dirt on it or rocks. It was right. You could hear the rocks just like moving, and I was like in bed like this, going, gosh, this is a death carriage. I'm like, who is it? Like coming for it. And I don't know how I knew about the death carriage. Who knows? Maybe like mama talked about it.

SPEAKER_01

Mom talked about it.

SPEAKER_02

Okay, well, what the hell? Maybe that one's not mine.

SPEAKER_01

Maybe there.

SPEAKER_00

But you heard it. I heard it. And then the next day, mom said that one of the older people passed away down the street. So that was like one of those huge things, and I was like, oh my gosh, I didn't see it, but I heard it and I felt it. And it wasn't it wasn't anything bad. I think I was just like in like shock that that was that you were witnessing it. Yeah, that that was happening in that moment in time. And then I didn't want to assign value to it or anything at the time. I was just like, I think I was in shock that it happened. And then afterwards getting that affirmation. And then I think when I got the affirmation, affirmation, that's when I got scared. Okay, thank you. I don't want to hear you again. But that was a lot of the things that would happen when those the dogs would sense things and would howl. And you guys you would hear the howls. It was so crazy how they would all get set off. Um you knew that that something was around.

SPEAKER_04

Something was passing. Right. Because they would howl.

SPEAKER_00

They would howl. Right. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04

One after another.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, coming down the streets. Yeah. And you're like, oh, and then it wasn't people walking.

SPEAKER_01

And it wasn't an ambulance or fire truck.

SPEAKER_04

No, no, they were howling.

SPEAKER_00

And that's point the neighborhood had a lot of dogs. Yes. And they had packs of dogs. The other thing in Carlos's room, there I remember seeing a a young man with a baseball hat. He was like over my over my bed at the time Carlos had already left the house and was in college. And he was like watching over me. And I was like, wow, are you the one that died in the house? That's where my mind went.

SPEAKER_04

Yep.

SPEAKER_00

Because at that point I was a little bit older.

SPEAKER_04

Right. So you were. I was a little bit more secure.

SPEAKER_00

Not as scared as when the whole twinkie thing happened with a cat and then the scratching up in the corner. That was like, and then the curtains coming down that freaking.

SPEAKER_01

Oh, I forgot about the curtains. Yep.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, like something just like grabbed the curtains and just pulled it down. Because those were the old school curtains that you had to hook into hooks like that. And so they they brought it up and then pulled it down. And me and Maria bolted out of that so fast. We're like, oh my God. I don't know what was wanting to be known at that time. I think another time, like the we had come home from Oaxaca. I don't know if you guys remember that when we were little, that something picked up. Oh yeah. Carlos spoke about that the last time. My kids also have experienced stuff in the house. My two daughters, they were laying in the living room, and then they heard, hey, someone yell at them, and they were in dead sleep, and both of them heard the same thing. And my oldest saw a little girl said the hey to them because my oldest can see things, the youngest feels things. So that was another thing that happened. And I I I remember also a little girl walking outside crying and walking around the the street. So we did have an active neighborhood.

SPEAKER_04

Oh, the whole neighborhood has stuff in it for sure.

SPEAKER_00

When you're a child, I think you're so much more open to things. So you're you're you're able to see more when you get a little bit older. It's not that the your eyes get shut, I think you start not paying attention to that. Right. Which what is there's more distractions, and then how our brain works and it's only going to show you certain things, but because you're developing and you're you're learning all this new, I think your brain is more apt to capture more things than it is when you're older.

SPEAKER_01

So those are some of the the main so since you brought up your kids, there was one thing that happened to Alina that freaked me out, and you weren't there. So she was she would do this little like skippy thing back and forth, and she was doing her little skippy thing back and forth in the living room, and then all of a sudden, something pushes her, she projects forward, like two steps, turns around, and starts crying. And I was like, poor ladies. Yeah, it was very unfortunate, but she was good after that. We gave her some ice cream and she was fine afterwards, but it was poor little thing. Yeah, something didn't like her there at that moment. No, I probably thought, well, why are you skipping?

SPEAKER_04

Yeah, right. Stop having fun in here. No fun.

SPEAKER_00

She's she is she is one that yeah, she feels a lot of things and has a really big knowing. My oldest, I remember even in other houses that we had that have activity in it. We had one home that we lived in that there was a man that was like I call him like Miami Vice era, right? We're in that 1980s tank top, right? And you know what I'm talking about?

SPEAKER_01

Like in very those white almost like Jimmy Z tank top.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, or Maui, whatever Maui Brothers or something in that. And then he had um like really, really curly hair and blonde and then a mustache. So I saw a full figure of this man. It sounds like a surfer dude.

SPEAKER_04

Yeah, like surf up.

SPEAKER_00

But he was angry, he was very, very angry. I don't think he wanted us in that house, but you can hear him walking upstairs like all the time, like boom, boom, boom, boom. And I remember trying to distract the kids about it. I'm like, oh, that's just like somebody up there, you can leave it alone. In that house, I had a little bit more experience. Again, you know, you have children in the house, you have a lot of activity sometimes.

SPEAKER_04

Oh, very much so.

SPEAKER_00

The oldest was very fearful in that house. She didn't want like to be left alone, so I would lay in the bed and hold both each other's hands. I had an astral projection experience in that that wasn't very favorable for me because that's something I also kind of do at night. In that moment, what I was doing is I was going ready to go off, and I had come out, and I'm laying in the bed with my youngest daughter, and I could see both of us in bed together, and I'm really ready to go set off right into wherever I'm going. And then I felt like uneasy, like something was going on, and something something was not just right, and I heard like a male voice and something like heavy, right? That was like the that's the best explanation I have. Really, really heavy and really high-pitched noise. And I hear my daughter's voice, Mom, come back, mom, come back. And I look down and Lena's asleep. She's not saying anything, but it's her voice telling me to come back. And then I all I see the bed start shaking and the dresser starts shaking, and I and I like swoop right back into my body again. And I was like, What were what just happened? What was that?

SPEAKER_01

So the there was Did they wake up from that?

SPEAKER_00

The youngest just rolled over, Alina just rolled over. It was me that that woke up, like looking at what was happening around the room, who was coming in, who was that that was there in that moment. Maybe it was like an intersection of someone else going into it. Could be, right?

SPEAKER_04

Um, yeah, where you start seeing other maybe parallel dimensions or people who are traveling as well.

SPEAKER_00

Right, right, and just a little bit of heavier energy that I couldn't understand, or maybe there was like some kind of dimension thing happening because the shaking was happening. So that was a whole interesting thing, and then it stopped me from astral projects for a long time for a while.

SPEAKER_04

It puts off all the fear because I was like, oh wow, is that gonna happen again?

SPEAKER_00

Or is there something out there that knows I'm there that's correct to try? And then I went back into this childhood thing, and I don't know where we learned about that silver cord. Did we read that in a book?

SPEAKER_04

It was I don't remember if we read it in the book or saw it in a cartoon.

SPEAKER_01

Okay, so you're all gonna have to refresh my memory. I don't remember the silver cord.

SPEAKER_04

So the silver cord is when you when you leave your body, uh-huh. There's a silver, there's a tether. The life cord, yeah. Life cord that's attached to you, and you you can't go too far, or else you know you'll you'll get lost.

SPEAKER_01

It was it was in that book that I was telling you was in the bathroom about astral projection. It was the tether. Like I they probably called it I don't, I thought it was the where did it come from? I think Margaret left it there.

SPEAKER_04

But I want to say I've read something.

SPEAKER_01

Somebody brought that book into our house. I remember it being in the bathroom that we all shared, right? And I could have sworn it was the Pablo, that one guy that we were talking about, yes, Carl Carlos Castaneda, but it might not have been Carlos Castaneda. There were Carlos Castaneda books in there as well, but I think it's something that Aunt Margaret left, or somebody that had come to visit left those books in our house.

SPEAKER_04

Interesting.

SPEAKER_01

Okay, so I remember reading that book. It was a blue cover and it had a lady that was like floating off on the cover. So maybe it planted a suggestion. Maybe it's possible. Somebody was trying to plant suggestions. Interesting. Maybe it was a gate program. I'm kidding. Yeah, the gate program must go down that rabbit. Maybe not today.

SPEAKER_04

Yeah, I uh I mean you see if you expand your awareness and you're in the that in-between state, you will see things. And a lot of it is shadows that are watching, because I remember one time when I first started doing it, I started expanding my awareness, and as my awareness expanded off in the very right corner at the top of the far right of where I could feel, I saw something hanging upside down and it was watching me, just a black figure. And I wasn't afraid because I was just like, huh. And so it was one of those things where either I opened up my awareness and it attracted it because it was like, oh, I want to see what's you know what's happening here, because sometimes when you you use energy, it's like a beacon where other things that are sensitive can actually see it and it draws them to you to you, or it's always existed there, and your awareness is now opened to be able to actually see those things.

SPEAKER_00

Your your thinking mind is offline now, yeah. And it's not assigning anything.

SPEAKER_04

It's not assigning anything to it, and now you're like, Oh, surprise.

SPEAKER_02

Surprise all around us, yeah. That's true.

SPEAKER_04

And it wasn't heavy energy, it was just it was there, and you're like, huh, that's kind of interesting. I wonder what else it exists out there. So it piqued my curiosity of like what else is out there that you could possibly interact with or see.

SPEAKER_01

So when the people that just decide to go on the journeys, whether it's ayahuasca, mushrooms, peyote, is that the closest you can get without being in a dreaming state to being on that same plane?

SPEAKER_03

I think it's an altered state, right?

SPEAKER_01

It's an altered state. But does that open you up to seeing the things that we normally filter?

SPEAKER_00

So that is a very good question. I think it drops inhibitions, if you're a default network where you're always on guard, your brain is looking for safety and protecting you at all times to survive. So that goes offline. So then now you're you're going into deeper recesses with the mind. And I think some of the research that they're showing on psychedelics is that there is some consistency with what's seen. So I think that's very fascinating. Like with ayahuasca, a lot of people see eyes looking at them. So that it is a very interesting thing that people are seeing the same things with mushrooms. They're low-seening a step symbols or or similar things like that. And then I think what I don't know if it's MDM.

SPEAKER_04

It's DMT.

SPEAKER_00

DMT.

SPEAKER_04

Or they see the purple people.

SPEAKER_00

But no, there's MDMIs ecstasy. Yeah, with with with IFS that they're seeing wise people come through. So it is it is very interesting to to see if the brain is offline if we're really radioreceptors. Are we picking up just everything that's around us?

SPEAKER_01

Yeah. And maybe that's what's happening that we're so since you brought up commonalities and you spoke about your sleep paralysis everywhere, it made me go back to sleep paralysis because one of the normal common things from like early Mesopotamia to current state is that there's so many commonalities, a chest pressure, somebody sitting on top of you, seeing a demon, seeing an entity. What did you experience in your sleep paralysis?

SPEAKER_00

So it was like a black figure that would come over me, a shadow, and I would couldn't move. And I remember being fully awake and wanting to move and scream and shout, but it wouldn't let me. And then eventually I would break free of it. Yeah. That's how that would work.

SPEAKER_01

I actually brought up one of the things I think it was in our first episode where you were having sleep paralysis, and I saw you, and I woke you up from it, but you were just like, I could see you with your mouth open trying to scream. Like I assume just from the look on your face, that's what you were trying to do. But eyes open, mouth open, you're like rigid and you're trying to scream. And I was like, Wake up, wake up. It was horrifying. But I can only imagine how much more horrifying it was for you.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, it was one of those things. It is interesting how the I'm trying to figure out what that was, if it was like some kind of brain chemical induced, or or why it like shows you these images, if that's what that is.

SPEAKER_04

That one dream that I talked to you about, the sleep process we had in college with a black figure.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_04

She had it that same night.

SPEAKER_01

Oh shit, okay.

SPEAKER_04

We talked about it. Yeah, it was something similar to that. So because and at that point we were like, man, is grandma trying to do some shit.

SPEAKER_01

I mean, hold on, hold up, hold up, let's rewind. Because grandma always said that she wants to look at us at night. So could it have been her, like, you know, checking in, maybe saying her little prayers of discernment over us, not doing it to be bad or negative, but could have could that have had that impact on you guys? That could be a possibility.

SPEAKER_00

Like, we don't know. Like, I I've in in my learnings, I have come to hear and experience that people can come into your dream state. Of course, people can come and walk into bodies, people can call them walk-ins, right? People can do these things in the astral plane, especially in dream state. You're the closest, you're the veils, you know, aren't you? The veils at that point, and you're in between two states. So there could be a possibility, but I don't think she would go over us like that, would you think? And like I just don't know.

SPEAKER_04

Yeah, I don't know what that what that is. I don't know what that was, but it was it was definitely memorable, that's for sure.

SPEAKER_01

Uh thankfully I don't have any recollection. That doesn't mean it didn't happen. I just don't remember having an experience, and I'm so good with that.

SPEAKER_04

Yeah, exactly.

SPEAKER_00

You don't want you know the the the one interesting thing I want to talk about with my youngest when she was really little, like in another home. I remember she was afraid to sleep in a room that we assigned to her, and that room you could feel heaviness in it. So I'm assuming something went down at that room or or if there was some kind of energy there. And a lot of the times these there's different energies that are lost and don't know where to go or have an attachment to certain places. Um, children are more susceptible to seeing those things and having them attached to them. So the oldest was always like afraid in her best way of explaining to me that it was the count, the vampire. She saw she saw a vampire. The count that was the biggest thing she could associate.

SPEAKER_01

Like the count from Sesame Street? Sesame Street.

SPEAKER_00

Oh shit.

SPEAKER_01

Okay.

SPEAKER_00

She would just say that how did she associate the count? I was just trying to figure that out. And now you guys were talking about vampires earlier. That just came to my mind that that's what she would see. So I'm curious, like, was that an energy that it showed itself like that?

SPEAKER_04

I I think that it's all it's the only frame of reference that they have because my my son would see things like he would see a black figure of a man come into his room and and talk to them and tell him things. And so that's he just that was his reference. So her reference could just be that, right? In her mind, that's how she just processed that. And I think that that's the the interesting thing about all of these things is energies, they'll take the form of whatever it is that's in your mind. However, you can process them is where they your belief system, what you've grown up with, what you've maybe recently seen, they'll it'll take the form of that because that's how you can process it. That's how you can make sense of it in some way. Because at the end of the day, it's just energy, it just exists. Yeah. And the the images of people and all of that stuff, I think that's probably residual energy or fragments. Because I do think that once you move on, your consciousness moves to the next, whatever it is, right? Whether it's another timeline that it just moved to and now it's it's part of that, or in some beliefs, you go up and you look at your life, and you're ready at some other point to come back in when your DNA matches the DNA of whatever is there in that next physical incarnation.

SPEAKER_00

I'm gonna play devil's advocate on that one.

SPEAKER_04

I think that there is entities that stay here and become earthbound because of that really strong attachment to whatever it is that aren't replaying the replaying the same energetic signature, they're actually attaching themselves to people and and being a body again by attaching themselves to Yeah, and I think that's where and and I think that's where our our paths kind of diverge because I don't I don't subscribe to that, but you do, and based on you, you know, the work that you've done and kind of how the research that you've done on that, that's part of your now your belief system. Where for me that's not part of my belief system, right? So it's kind of neat that we're right, right.

SPEAKER_00

Talking about that. So I I think it's probably very true that it's the world that I am in, and you know, and the world that I work in. So it's something that I see, so I do have a frame of reference.

SPEAKER_04

And you read books on it and you talk to people who who are experts in that.

SPEAKER_00

Right, and that experience that I'm unsure. I'll open in on that at this point in time. Um, but I I mean I do have um stories about that with with my youngest, that she so when children have surgery very, very young, it's believed that they're so open because they completely get knocked out and they sometimes leave their bodies and watch what's happening. So at that point, there could be residuals also in that space and what space you're in the hospital. So things sometimes can get attached to them. Um and it so happens that my youngest did, and I I I noticed in her she started like like almost like the body of an old lady. I was trying to explain that like her body became a body of an old lady, like when I would look at her, like so. What I finally did is I took her to to somebody, an extractor, to just see her and just make sure she was like okay, because I was seeing things like in her in the she was a normal self in the residual body. And sure, she had an attachment. Like I didn't even say anything to this person. She was just gonna go in to just get looked at and then tell her that I think she has an attachment. That wasn't my my deal, and I never do that whenever I go to support people. We'll call them that to be able to help you when you work in certain things because everybody should have support people to keep their energies clear. But yeah, she did have a an attachment of an old woman, and this old woman was someone that just got stuck, and Alina was one of those that was right there in the moment, and she befriended her and was uh a source of a siphoning of of things of sorts, and that person was removed. And the interesting thing is my daughter doesn't talk very much, she's not how she's a bit more of an observer, but once it was removed, she just started bawling and crying, which is unusual for her in that way. And then she said that you know, mom, I actually literally feel lighter, and her shoulders like came back more, and and she's not a believer in things, which made it even more interesting. So I that was one of the things that I I thought I was like, oh yeah, she had such a young age, so this is probably something that happened that has been with her for such a long time. So there was no like she didn't notice a difference as a child, but once things were removed, then she did notice the difference of not having that attachment with her. So I'm like, oh okay, so I when I see people that are labeled as being having mental health, like really severe mental health issues, I always wonder is it that they have attachments to them that are coming through, you know, that yeah that need support and extraction versus you know, it a chemical imbalance really happening in the brain.

SPEAKER_01

So that's just so I think we'll have to take that on to a maybe record tomorrow before you leave or part of the part two. Because I we one of our previous podcasts we actually touch on psych rotation and an experience that I have. Yes, so let's so it kind of aligns with what you're saying there. So I think we need to pivot here because it's gone on for just a little bit. Fascinating conversation. But yeah, let's revisit for part two.

SPEAKER_04

Yep. So thank you guys for tuning in. Really appreciate it.

SPEAKER_01

And I wanted to do a quick cheers for the power of three. Yes, cheer cheers, and thank you for joining us. Yeah, thank you for tuning in, and we'll talk to you soon. Thank you. Bye. Bye. We can go on for hours.

SPEAKER_03

I was getting I was getting eaten up.

SPEAKER_01

I know, I saw Carlos keeping.