The Alien Files

Are people experiencing contact with something extraterrestrial—or is there another explanation?  Are aliens just angels in disguise?

Transcript

SPEAKER_00 0:00

Welcome everybody to The Vine in the Veil, the podcast where we dive between worlds to reveal the mysteries of the light and the dark, the wisdom of the spiritual, the wonder of the mystical, and the power of the supernatural. I'm your host, Carlos, and this is my co-host, Maria. And what are we talking about today?

SPEAKER_01 0:17

We are going to talk about aliens, specifically alien alien abduction.

SPEAKER_00 0:23

Aliens. Yes. Yeah, aliens are an interesting one because, especially now in TikTok and all over social media, you see aliens pop up a lot. I think it used to be back in the day where aliens were more of it's like, ooh, aliens are people are crazy, you know, they got abducted by aliens. And it's not real. It's not a thing. It can't possibly be happening. But I think as more and more people start talking about their stories and they start sharing, you know, some of the things that have actually happened to them, it gets kind of wild.

SPEAKER_01 0:53

Yeah, I mean, think about it. Prior to modern age, we it there was always a stigma that people that experienced alien abductions or they wouldn't even talk about it because they would be perceived as being crazy. Now, if you go back to hieroglyphs, classic classic artwork, there's actually what looks like alien beings in a lot of the hieroglyphs. And I believe Da Vinci um even has one in one of his famous paintings. So there could have been at some point in time alien. I mean, think about how the pyramids were made, ancient civilizations, how they were so modern compared to civilizations that came after that, right? So it's kind of crazy. And then just think about how it was back then. Like they would walk out. There were no lights, there's no space junk, there were just like beauty of the sky without distractions. So can you imagine how much more magnified it was back then versus how it is now?

SPEAKER_00 2:00

I bet.

SPEAKER_01 2:00

I mean, we were stargazing what like a couple weeks ago, and you would go out, and it was literally like every two minutes you would see a satellite pass by. And I mean, kids these years, like these new generations that are being born, will never know what it was like to go out and if they even go outside. Exactly. If they're not stuck on their phones or in front of a TV. But it's just it's crazy to think that that things have changed so much in this world that even that the night sky is taken for granted of how it used to be.

SPEAKER_00 2:37

And I think what you said is is interesting in that for a lot of civilizations of the past, uh, you look at you look even at the Native Americans where they talk about the sky people and they share, you look at see some of the star seeds in the sky, the early hieroglyphs where they share, they show show people coming from the stars, and you look at the Egyptian hieroglyphs, you look at you start going back even to Mesopotamia, and and there's so many correlations with these beings or that have come from the stars.

SPEAKER_01 3:07

Yeah. So indigenous cultures are like regardless of what continent you're on, they all have some kind of connection to starseeds, a lot of them to the Pleiades. If you go, the Navajos have their own beliefs. You go to Mexico, they they have their little flying men where they go on poles and then they like fly around. So a lot of those tales, why we didn't hear about the aliens or the abductions, is that was all stories, right? Every every recount was told by a story, and it was a story handed down from generation to generation. So nothing written. But I mean, that's why, like, if you're looking at, for example, alien abductions, the first count, the actual like recorded account of that was in the 1960s.

SPEAKER_00 3:55

Well, yeah, because I it seemed like at that point the whole idea of aliens and in alien encounters and stuff kind of exploded, right? So if you think about Roswell and the alien craft that had that had crashed there, right, and the mystery behind all of that, and how the conspiracy of the government, you know, sort of covering it up. And then various encounters that you know people have had on planes or the military's had with all of these unidentified flying objects that they encounter that just vanish or disappear.

SPEAKER_01 4:24

I think with technology, we've come to the point where they can't necessarily hide it. Like there's only so many lies you can take, you can make up. But back in the 60s, they had Project Blue Book, right? So they were looking back at all the alien encounters, Mufon, which was a normal like civilian group that came together to figure out like document alien encounters, document UFO sightings, they still do it to this day. And actually, like almost every county or close to every county, they have meetings, which was fascinating to see. We're probably gonna try to jump in on one just to see what it's like. But it like now there's now there's people recording it, so you're getting harder evidence to try to dismiss.

SPEAKER_00 5:06

Yeah, because back then there were video cameras or phones where you could record something happening or an encounter of some sort.

SPEAKER_01 5:12

And there were several presidents that actually believed, they either believed in aliens, had an alien encounter, or like they were the reason why these task force were were created, because they wanted the proof and the evidence.

SPEAKER_00 5:26

And I think back then there was like there were these the aliens or how they described them to be they're more like the gray sort of people with the big eyes and long torsos and stuff. But as it's kind of evolved, uh people have been describing other sorts of extra extraterrestrial races like the the Pleiadians.

SPEAKER_01 5:46

The Pleiadians, which are also known as the tall people or the Nordic. Yeah, the Nordics. There's the insectoids, there's the reptilians. So there's various rate. I mean, think about it. There's the galaxies there, it's infinite. So of course, not everyone's gonna look alike. I mean, just within the cultures of the world, like we all look so different. So can you imagine someone from another planet? It only makes sense that they would completely look different.

SPEAKER_00 6:13

Well, there's that there's that theory that's very popular in in social media about the Anunnaki being one of the original races that I guess there was a galactic war, and they came out out here to kind of figure out how to take advantage of the minerals and the resources, and they're you know, they were genetically experimenting with the the people, yeah, people or you know, basic humans that were out here and and you know combining genetic materials. Right. And so there's the theory that the a lot of people here are hybrids.

SPEAKER_01 6:45

There's which is kind of interesting. Yeah, there's interesting theories about that. So the reason behind the genetic testing was it something that was for survival for them, or is it was it a way for them to be able to inhabit our earth because they couldn't do it without the hybrid?

SPEAKER_00 7:02

Yeah, or maybe they didn't have a home.

SPEAKER_01 7:04

Or they didn't have or they planet was blowing up, who knows? Alien species, you never know, or just blew up within itself.

SPEAKER_00 7:11

Yeah, so there's there's them, and then there is the the a lot of the stories of abduction revolve around the the grays or the people the the aliens that are like big eyes.

SPEAKER_01 7:21

Yeah, usually it's them or the insectoids that you hear. More common, those stories that are recounted are based off of that.

SPEAKER_00 7:29

So what's that what's that area that is very prominent? Like I we saw the Hudson Valley.

SPEAKER_01 7:34

Hudson Valley.

SPEAKER_00 7:35

We saw a documentary on the Hudson Valley, and what was super interesting was as they were doing the documentary and talking to various people, there were so many of them that had encounters and were abducted. Yes, we're just has been taken, and there's you know, they they talk about being experimented on, cut open, you know, implanted with things.

SPEAKER_01 7:53

Yep.

SPEAKER_00 7:54

It's crazy.

SPEAKER_01 7:55

It is pretty crazy. So in looking at all of these, uh all of these abductions, there's always like the commonalities, right? So you always have it's usually them being abducted at night, they're always having missing time, like they the missing memory. Like they wake up, they they remember waking up, being abducted. They may or may not have recollection of what happened when they were abducted, and then they wake up again after they're back home. So there's like a chunk of time missing. I believe there, oh god, I can't remember. I think it was like the 1970s. There was a gentleman that had been abducted and he was gone for like months. And then he came back and everyone had thought he died. Like they they, I think he had friends with him on a trip in the forest, disappeared, and then came back. And for him, it was like minutes, but for everybody else it was a really long time.

SPEAKER_00 8:48

Well, I mean, that that also could speak to alternate realities or alternate dimensions. Absolutely, or time could have gone through a portal or doesn't operate the same way. So a few minutes over there is right months here.

SPEAKER_01 9:01

And that's that's another theory or lore with aliens, right? Is that it's not always a spaceship. There could be alternate dimensions that they come in through.

SPEAKER_00 9:09

Yeah, they portal through.

SPEAKER_01 9:10

Yeah, they portal through. The other thing that is very common with alien abductions is that they've had something happen to them, a procedure.

SPEAKER_00 9:20

Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 9:21

Or they come back with things, right? Scars, they're missing organs, or there have been multiple people that have come back and have had implants within them. Sure. And some of those people, when they're removed, they're biological or they can be things that can be explained. But there's a podiatrist that was removing things from patients, and I want to say he had 17 patients that he could add 17 out of 19 patients that he was removing things from, and he could not like he took it off to researchers and they couldn't identify the matter of the implant.

SPEAKER_00 9:54

Wow.

SPEAKER_01 9:54

Yeah, it's pretty interesting.

SPEAKER_00 9:55

So I wonder like extraterrestrial races, are they are they energetic beings that you know somehow you know manifest here or a version of them manifests here in order to be able to learn more about humanity? I mean, I would assume, and you know, we're pretty arrogant to think that we're the only ones that are being looked at or visited in this massive universe, or maybe multiple universes. But what's their purpose? Why are why are they studying us?

SPEAKER_01 10:24

I think it's a basic need, like a need, whatever it may be, whether it's a need to eat, a need for energy, a need for whatever it is. Look at Hollywood, like those the reptilians, they're usually associated with Hollywood, but so is the adhernochrome thing. So maybe they need blood to feed off of.

SPEAKER_00 10:43

Do you remember that old old uh series it was called V?

SPEAKER_01 10:46

Yes, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 10:47

Where the the aliens were they took human form, but they were reptiles. Yeah, they're reptilians.

SPEAKER_01 10:52

Yeah, that was kind of wild. That was pretty wild.

SPEAKER_00 10:54

And I wonder if they were actually onto something. The people that wrote that maybe they pulled accounts of people seeing that sort of thing.

SPEAKER_01 11:01

Yeah, I can't remember the blood type, but like one of the things that was interesting in the Hudson Valley documentary is that a lot of those people shared the same blood type, they were a negative blood type. Yeah. I want to say it was like B negative, but I can't remember. Don't quote me on that. But whatever it was, like the abductees all had that same blood type. And that's like, and that is not just there, like there's a theory that goes along with that, that it's the alien beings that make that blood type happen. And the interesting thing about that, which is unless you're in healthcare or had a baby and have needed it, there's there's a likelihood that if you have a baby and for some reason between you and your spouse, they're the blood type of the baby, whatever they're born with, if it's different, your body can't attack that. So they end up, they end up having to have, I can't remember what it is because I haven't done family birth and or labor and delivery in a really long time, but they get an injection that helps them not have their own attacking of the own system because of it.

SPEAKER_00 12:05

That's that's pretty crazy.

SPEAKER_01 12:07

It's pretty crazy, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 12:09

So I I I would love to have an encounter like that. I know you've got I've never had anything like that except for when I saw the lights out outside of the bedroom. I was visited in some way, but I it would be kind of interesting to actually have an encounter like that and have a conversation with whatever it is that what uh species would you like to have the encounter from? It would be really cool for the the Pleiadians.

SPEAKER_01 12:34

Pleiadians, I would do Pleiadians too, only because I mean they I don't know, they whenever you look at the cultures that they've like reached out to and had interactions with, it's usually like the indigenous. And I think that would be cool to do that.

SPEAKER_00 12:49

Right, and just to just to get knowledge.

SPEAKER_01 12:51

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 12:52

Or maybe they could share knowledge of past, the past, or the future, even. And and because I would imagine that they operate in different timelines and they probably are aware of many, many different things that we are not on this plane. Or I wonder if it's even just, you know, they're there are just energetic beings that exist that we have, again, just like the deities and everything that we have assigned a label. Assigned a label and they manifest in that way because we can understand that.

SPEAKER_01 13:23

So that's a possibility, but the interesting thing, and I don't know if you've ever researched Battle LA. Oh, yeah. Yeah, where that was just like a 24-hour period, or I'm not sure how long it took, but there was an incident that had been published in the newspaper that talked about a battle between beings or what was assumed to be beings and the military in Los Angeles.

SPEAKER_00 13:46

Right, right. Yeah, and that's where that that movie came from.

SPEAKER_01 13:49

That is where the movie came from. It was based off of that, which is interesting. And then, of course, off Los Angeles in the Pacific Ocean, between LA and Catalina, that is one of the biggest areas of underwater phenomenon that has been seen.

SPEAKER_00 14:05

Also, yeah. I mean, who knows? There could be entire bases that exist underwater.

SPEAKER_01 14:10

Underwater. I mean, there's so many we can only go up to certain pressures, so god only knows what happens beneath the surface.

SPEAKER_00 14:16

That's fascinating to think that there could be a whole culture of races of extraterrestrial races that exist underwater.

SPEAKER_01 14:25

They say that we know more about space now than we do the depths of the ocean. I guess.

SPEAKER_00 14:30

I guess I mean space is infinite, so it is, and maybe the ocean is too.

SPEAKER_01 14:33

It's just I mean, there could be a portal in there that takes you to another another planet. Who knows?

SPEAKER_00 14:38

Also, yeah, which is pretty fascinating. But I think that that's uh, you know, there's just so many things that people see. A very common thing is in the night sky, they'll see many lights that will move in odd directions, not like airplanes, not like Starlink or yeah, and there's people that believe that they can, you know, they'll go out there and they'll see something or they'll try to make contact telepathically with these things and they they show up.

SPEAKER_01 15:05

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 15:05

Which would be kind of cool.

SPEAKER_01 15:06

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 15:07

And I've tried, but I didn't even see anything yet.

SPEAKER_01 15:10

Well, another thing is another thing that they think about or correlate to it is that of course everyone's gonna there are people out there that don't believe it and uh attribute it to sleep paralysis, that that whole experience is a part of the dream state.

SPEAKER_00 15:25

It's too common, it's too common, and there are there are yes, there's similarities, but everybody's experience is a little bit different in how they're abducted and you know what they remember. Right. So maybe, you know, it could be a you know, some people would say I would I would think it'd be a group hallucination of some sort because they've been planting the seed in this area that more and more people believe that that actually happened to them.

SPEAKER_01 15:47

That's another thing that they attribute it to, other the cultural beliefs that are handed down from generation to generation or just what we know in society, that we're again we're attaching a label to an experience, and then we're blaming it on aliens. Right.

SPEAKER_00 16:01

Or maybe the you know, the the thing I'd like to hypothesize is that possibly because you know, the existence of angels, maybe they're just extraterrestrial races that when they came down, the people that were here couldn't understand the technology and were just like, oh my god, they're they're angel.

SPEAKER_01 16:19

Right.

SPEAKER_00 16:20

That is a bright that I can't look at them, or you know, they're floating, or you know, they have so much power.

SPEAKER_01 16:27

Right. I mean, that could take a whole other spin on the Bible, right? Absolutely. Mary being visited by the angel and being told that she was with child.

SPEAKER_00 16:37

I mean, that's artificial insemination.

SPEAKER_01 16:38

Right. She could have been abducted by an alien and come back with Jesus.

SPEAKER_00 16:43

Again, there is the there is the theory that Jesus was a hybrid.

SPEAKER_01 16:46

Yes.

SPEAKER_00 16:47

So she was artificially inseminated by a race of extraterrestrial beings. And now Jesus came out and he was hybrid.

SPEAKER_01 16:55

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 16:55

It's I mean Which is I mean, super fascinating.

SPEAKER_01 17:00

I mean, there's if you take it to theory, anything is well.

SPEAKER_00 17:04

I mean, if you think about technology and how for us advanced, that happens on a regular basis.

SPEAKER_01 17:09

Absolutely. Absolutely.

SPEAKER_00 17:11

If there was a a race of beings that were that advanced, that they were doing that back in history. Yeah, totally plausible. Yeah. But to a person who's living in that time, they would be angels.

SPEAKER_01 17:25

Do you think people like Leonardo da Vinci or even Elon Musk, per se? Do you would you say that there's a possibility that there's like alien DNA within them? And that's why they come up with these things that like a normal human can't be.

SPEAKER_00 17:42

It's possible. Da Vinci more than Elon. I think Elon is probably somebody who is a, in my opinion, somebody who takes advantage of opportunities to think about. He's an idea guy.

SPEAKER_01 17:54

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 17:54

But there's a lot of people that surround him that are the people that make things actually happen.

SPEAKER_01 17:59

Right.

SPEAKER_00 17:59

Where Leonardo da Vinci was a creator and an inventor, and definitely far ahead of his time. So I wouldn't put the two in the same category. I would think that Leonardo potentially, yes, that he could be somebody who was who is a hybrid of some sort and maybe was in contact with beings.

SPEAKER_01 18:18

There's a theory about that, that he was he was in cahoots with the alien civilization and they helped him develop and come up with everything that he was. Not that he was necessarily an alien, but that he was with this secret alien society, and they were when you think about it, it all it all it all seems to tie in, right?

SPEAKER_00 18:38

The universe and your higher self and angels and all of these alien extraterrestrial beings that you can communicate with potentially telepathically, and sometimes they'll give you insight. Right. Or you will you hear a lot of people say it's not me. Something provides me that information, or something provided me the lyrics to that song, right? The creativity, which I think is is fascinating. And it could be, they could all be the same thing. It's just like you said, we've assigned a label to it, and now everybody's fascinated with it. So now they have experiences that are extraterrestrial in nature.

SPEAKER_01 19:14

Absolutely, very fascinating. It is, it is. So you want to be abducted by who?

SPEAKER_00 19:19

Hell yeah, let's go. I want to be abducted. Let's go.

SPEAKER_01 19:23

What do you want them? What do you want them to? What's your purpose of wanting to be abducted?

SPEAKER_00 19:27

I want to go to the ship. Well, I want to go to a ship.

SPEAKER_01 19:29

You want to go to a ship? Yes. Okay.

SPEAKER_00 19:31

Yes. I have in a in a dream state, I have been into a ship. I've been I've seen a ship and I've encountered the Pleiadians. Okay. People like that. And before I even did research on them, I experienced an encounter with it where in that version of reality, I was one of them. That's cool. And I was in a I was in a ship. And the whole purpose of me looking down at the planet, because we could see through the you know the the windows of the ship, I was going to go down into the planet to help the people there. So it was it was pretty fascinating. And I wonder, as I look up at the stars, if that you know was a version of me that existed at a period of point in time.

SPEAKER_01 20:13

Or you could have a different or maybe that's my higher self. Who knows?

SPEAKER_00 20:17

Who knows? It is that's why I find it so interesting.

SPEAKER_01 20:19

Yeah, yeah. To dive into what do you think about the star children? So I don't know if you've seen on TikTok like these star seeds. The parents are there, they're like treating them like they're oracles, and sometimes I'm like, maybe, but then sometimes I feel like the parents are feeding.

SPEAKER_00 20:35

I think the pa I think so. I think parents are feeding them. I I think that look, we've all existed, we all exist in multiple timelines, multiple dimensions. If that's the case, then are there is a version of us that has existed or is existing on a different planet as a different species. Right. So that's not out of the realm of possibility for sure, but I don't think that you should put anybody or anything on a pedestal.

SPEAKER_01 21:03

Right.

unknown 21:03

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 21:04

Not at all. Because I mean there are people that, yes, the star seeds are a relatively new phenomenon. I think they were brought up in the 50s or 60s, something like that, made a little bit more popular. But yeah, I mean, there could be people that have existed in that way or have the DNA of these extraterrestrial races, angels, extraterrestrial races, because I mean there's a whole reference to Nephilim, yeah, who were the same thing, right? They're human angel hybrid. They're probably it's probably an alien. It's probably an alien of some sort. Who knows? But I I I don't think that people should get enamored by a specific thing. And I think people that are all about at least to put children that are starseeds, quote unquote, or indigo children or whatever the label is, and put them on a pedestal like that and feed them that, I don't think that's In my opinion, I don't think that that's something that's fair to the child.

SPEAKER_01 22:02

I don't think it is either. It's a lot of pressure.

SPEAKER_00 22:04

Let let people go on their own journey and let people discover what what fills their cup at the point in time that they're at and don't force anything on somebody.

SPEAKER_01 22:13

Yeah, I think that's a lot. I think that bothers that that's what bothers me about that whole thing, especially with the TikToks, because what's the intent for the parent? Are they there because they want to make an income off of this child and their abilities? Or is it that they wanna, I mean, you very very rarely see them culture it, right? It's just like, oh, this is happening in the world. What's your opinion on it? Because you're this prophetic starseed child, and what's your opinion? Because we value the not just I value it, but the society values it. That's a lot of pressure for a fucking kid.

SPEAKER_00 22:50

Right. I mean, it's no different from from children who have relived past lives.

SPEAKER_01 22:54

Yeah, that's true.

SPEAKER_00 22:55

Or children way back who were, oh, you're an oracle. You are a god or a deity that has or a deity has embodied you. Same kind of thing, just different spin.

SPEAKER_01 23:06

Yeah, a different spin, but usually with those, there comes a lot of education, like the Dalai Lama, like the versions of the Dalai Lama. They're identified at a very young age and they're put through this rigorous like education, right?

SPEAKER_00 23:19

Or you could say indoctrination.

SPEAKER_01 23:21

Or indoctrination. I mean, it really is indoctrination, and it really is like you're coaching them into the life, obviously. So they're getting indoctrinated, and they're just whether it's whatever religion you're in, religious cults, like you become very wise because of the knowledge that you gain through the education. So when people look at you, they're like, oh my God, like that was so impactful, but you're being taught things along the way that make you that way.

SPEAKER_00 23:49

Yeah, and I think that there are people who are very susceptible to wanting to believe something so badly, yeah, that they will, and it'll manifest for them in their reality.

SPEAKER_01 23:59

So I mean that's anything from a tarot card or going to a psychic or whatever it is. Those those people that are susceptible or are so low in their life that they follow Charles Manson or or that's a whole different topic, is or Jamestown massacre.

SPEAKER_00 24:14

Charisma charisma and cult people, cult leaders and stuff like that. We should have a podcast on that. That is a whole that is one of another of my rabbit holes that I yeah, it's a really cool rabbit hole. Yeah, and there's I think there's a lot of connections to the stuff that we talk about and people like that.

SPEAKER_01 24:29

Yes, absolutely.

SPEAKER_00 24:30

So on that note, thank you guys for tuning in. I think that we will probably end up doing another podcast on aliens because there's so much to cover. So much to cover. Yes, I would love to deep dive into each one of the races, what the politics are. There's a whole idea that there's a galactic council that exists.

SPEAKER_01 24:48

I want to be on it.

SPEAKER_00 24:49

There's the there's the idea that the you know the the extraterrestrial races are watching and they would step in if there was ever something that would potentially escalate into a world war, all that business.

SPEAKER_01 25:01

Yes, and they have been seen in the Ukraine in the beginning of that that war. So that's uh interesting.

SPEAKER_00 25:09

So lots more to talk about, but I think we're we're at a point now where I'm getting bit by mosquitoes. So, you know, thank you guys so much. And if you have any stories, we would love to hear them. So, you know, email us at the vineandhevail at gmail.com or when we put up some posts on on social media, TikTok, or Instagram, just you know, comment below and let us know what you've experienced. Uh, by the way, thank you guys so much for the last post that we've put up. There's been a lot of people that have commented on on uh interest in a lot of the different things that we've talked about in our stories.

SPEAKER_01 25:44

We love hearing your experiences.

SPEAKER_00 25:46

Absolutely. So thank you so much, and we'll see you next time.

SPEAKER_01 25:50

Bye.

SPEAKER_00 25:50

Bye.