Class 25: Marian Attributes, Titles, & Sub Tuum

The Come and See class on Sunday June 14, 2026, follows the textbook Introduction to Catholicism, pp113-117. This was class 26; however, it is listed as class 25 in the podcast series. 

Discussion of Immaculate Conception and Mother of God (Theotokos) ensued. A question arose: Why does this matter? We must consider: everything that is (that has happened or that exists) is because God has allowed it and deigned for it to be. God is not trivial and neither are his actions. As Christian disciples, we do well to ponder the Mystery with great reverence and humility, recognizing that all that God Who is Love is for our benefit, even if at first glance it might seem unimportant. When it comes to the Blessed Virgin Mary and her Immaculate Conception, the question "Why does this matter?" must always refer back to the Lord and our relationship to the Lord. The Lord chose to enter the world through Mary as his Mother (Mother of God). This vessel of the Lord is a real person and just as we should desire to know our own mother and others we love, we should seek to know the Lord and his Mother better and better throughout our lives. If we patiently await the Lord's answer to our question "Why does this matter?" we will be struck with awe and wonder.

Sub Tuum Praesidium
We Fly to Thy Patronage

https://www.preces-latinae.org/thesaurus/BVM/SubTuum.html

Chant with versicle and collect is linked below.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aGke_ktg-58

Did Jesus have a Y chromosome?

https://www.magiscenter.com/blog/did-jesus-have-a-y-chromosome

Transcript

SPEAKER_03 0:00

In the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit, our Father, who art in heaven, hallowed be thy name, thy kingdom come, thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven. Give us this day our daily bread, and forgive us our trespasses, as we forgive those who trespass against us, and lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil. Amen. In the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit. Amen. So again, good morning. Really great to be back with you for Come and See. We're looking at pages 113 to 117 in our textbook, Introduction to Catholicism. Can you hear me well in the back? Great. So that's what it says on our handout. Come and see attributes and titles of Mary, pages 113 to 117, and Theotokos. So that's just the transliterated right out of the Greek from Theos and Takos. And then I indicated and Father's Day. So a week in advance, happy Father's Day, right? That's next Sunday. And so it's fitting that we're kind of not concluding, of course, but we're really diving into our lady because she perfectly is a child of the Father, right? She doesn't fall short in any way. And so we we are kind of preparing ourselves for Father's Day by looking at Mary, you could say. She's that model child. And you can't be a father without a son or daughter, right? That's that's kind of part what it means to be a father. So we look at Mary, the perfect daughter, daughter Zion, right? Um page 112, we had seen, do Catholics worship Mary? Clearly, no, right? Any questions on uh dulia, hyperdulia? There's also a third one that we indicate for St. Joseph, but the main ones dulia and hyperdulia. Were those straightforward? The uh kind of call-out box, do Catholics worship Mary, bottom 112? I assume no questions. Great. Um so the attributes of Mary. We have, of course, the Immaculate Conception. It's a great thing to bow your head when you say our lady's name, and that is her proper name. Uh it's also we could speak of the Holy Spirit as the Immaculate Conception uh Saint. Maximilian Colby, right? Great saint from the 20th century, um, Polish priest, studied in Rome, got sick, you know, barely made it to priesthood because of his tremendous health concerns, um, worked himself to death, you might say, and then was over in Japan spreading uh the goodness of Mary, true devotion from um Saint Alfuse me, Saint Louis uh de Montfort, uh, thank you, who was you know really promoting the true devotion to Mary through consecration to our lady. So we want to do that, of course, if we haven't, and if we have already to maybe daily, certainly at least annually, re-consecrate ourselves to the Blessed Virgin because she's the Immaculate Conception, it's who she is, it's not just what happened to her long ago, but it's really who she is, and uh that's we know that in part by her own revelation to uh Saint Subirou, um excuse me, um, of Lord Bernadette Subiroo, thank you. Um gotta have our participation from the uh from the faithful. And so she reveals herself, I am the Immaculate Conception, right? And uh not that, hey, I was immaculately conceived, but that's who she is. Questions on the Immaculate Conception, off the bat. I failed to indicate if you're maybe a first grade parent, we do have a sign-in sheet back here if you're looking for for credit or a second grade parent. Okay, so the Immaculate Conception, would we say that Adam and Eve were immaculately conceived? It's not right there in the book, but have you thought about that before? What's that? I I think I they were not conceived, but they were born. Yeah, exactly. So Adam out of the dust of the earth, the Lord breathing into him, right? Um that's that's not a normal conception for humans, right? He is fully human, he's not half-breed, or you know, he's certainly not a divine. He is a human, but he's not conceived. He's not he does not have the immaculate conception. Um Eve, of course, taken from the side of Adam, um, she's not conceived in the womb like a normal human. Uh, she's not less than human, she's not more than human, she's you know, perfectly made, but she's not immaculately conceived. We look forward time, time, time. There's nobody immaculately conceived than Mary. One and only uh of the humans, right? What about Jesus? Is Jesus immaculately conceived? Is is he conceived as a person? So we're human persons. Is he immaculately conceived? In what way? Okay, so I I want to say, yes, he's he's uh brought into human, uh his human nature is brought about immaculately, right? There's no sin, of course, no stain. But he's not conceived in a normal way, right? Just as Adam and Eve were not brought about in a normal way. Mary is brought about in a normal way, right? She's conceived in a totally normal way, except immaculately. That's the only difference. Her conception is without sin. Uh but Mary and Joseph don't conceive Christ, right? There's something different. So, in a way, yes, and in a way, no. We wouldn't normally refer to Jesus as the Immaculate Conception. He's um begotten of the Father before all ages, right? He is the light from the light, he's the true God from true God.

unknown 5:50

Right?

SPEAKER_03 5:51

That's what we're talking about in the creed. The true God, Jesus, from the true God, the Father. He's begotten before all ages. So he's not conceived in a normal sense. Uh, but we're in no way uh ascribing, you know, sin or anything fallen in Christ. So we're not saying that. We're just saying that this is a unique title. It really applies to Mary, and of course, she's brought about in the same way, uh uh by analogy, of course, that the Holy Spirit is brought about by the Father and the Son. Just an analogy. Yes, sir. Why is it important? Uh is there anything that's true uh that could uh lead us closer to the truth? Yeah, okay, so why um why is it important? That's one question, or is it important? Whole other question. Is it important? Why is it important? Uh I would say the fact that the church declared a dogma, it must have been important. Right? The church doesn't declare that many dogmas. Um that indicates super important, right? That the Pope took time to ask the bishops, and this was maybe a topic over the centuries, right? So we have the writing of the term Immaculate Conception for many centuries, long before uh what about 1858? What's the uh 1854? 54, thank you. Um so we're talking about centuries before Pope Pius IX, or Pio Nono, uh Blessed Pius IX, indicates this, and yes, no, it matters uh because of Christ. Everything about Mary is pointing towards Christ, and that is the fruit of her womb, right? Christ. So we learn more about Christ from Mary, and um the Immaculate Conception is gonna help us to understand the assumption, why she would be assumed, which is a mystery of the rosary, right? And so we wouldn't say that the mysteries of the rosary are unimportant. They're gonna help us to meditate on Christ. That's the whole point of the rosary, to help us know Christ and the gospel, so that we can be with him in heaven. Uh so this is a pathway to heaven. Uh, we're gonna learn more about the Blessed Mother through meditating on her as a perfect disciple because we want to be more and more like her, right? So the more we know our mother, because she's our mother, so we want to know about her, uh, and not just know about her like facts, but get to know her personally, deeply, so that we're one and with our own hearts with Mary. So the closer we know that immaculate heart, um, the more we will know her love, her perfect love, unstained love for Jesus, her son, which is what we want as disciples. We want to have an undying, perfect love for Christ. And when we look around, if you look at me, you see a fallen man, right? You see, I'm a sinner, I'm I fall short of the glory of God. But when I look at Mary, she doesn't. She's not God, right? But she doesn't fall short of his glory. Um, she is perfectly made, and so I know it's possible that I can love God more than I am right now when I look at the Blessed Mother. And so that's the goal is perfect love of God. Mary doesn't fall short. So I need to know that I have hope. If I just look at, you know, this is not like an insult. If I look around, I'm not gonna see the perfect love of God. I might see other people that are better at loving God than me, but I want to see that it's possible to be even better, to strive harder. So Mary gives me that hope that it's possible because from her beginning she never was falling short. And that's the that's the goodness of God. That he wants all of us to be like that. And if we think about it, I was saying Adam and Eve were perfectly made, but they were not um immaculately conceived. So Mary shows us even from um the beginning, it's possible to start out right like Adam and Eve, but then to never detour. Because Adam and Eve they fall very shortly after they're um coming into existence. So I want to say that's one of the whys. So, yes, absolutely, it's important. Why? Because it's gonna give me hope that I can love God better than I am right now. And that I need to, right? That I need to love God better than I am right now. I don't know if that's gonna answer your your question or satisfy your your uh your desire to know, but I think that's one way of looking at it. Yes, sir. Yeah, so that is one way of looking at it. I don't want to say that God is bound by those rules, but certainly he is fitting. I want to use the word fitting as opposed to God has to do something a certain way in order to save us. God can snap his fingers, you know, God can do anything he wants in a way, but God does the most fitting things, right? There's nothing that he does is like, I could have done a little better on that. He could have done it this way and it would have made more sense. God makes perfect sense. He's wisdom, uh, we could say Jesus is wisdom incarnate, right? But like the Lord is not just wise, he is wisdom, he's the source of all wisdom. So he's seeing, yeah, for us to really believe that Jesus is not just a man, because we just see man, just like with the Eucharist, we see bread and wine. We don't see Christ's divinity unless there's some sort of miracle going on, right? And that's that's a gift from God. But for most of us, most of the time, almost all the time, if not every single time, we'll only see bread and wine. If we were here about 2,000 years ago, we would have only seen a regular guy maybe doing miraculous things. But unless you're like on Mount Tabor with the transfiguration, you don't see his glory. You see a man. So knowing that Mary is conceived immaculately helps us to see that God uh had a perfect vessel for his son, because that's the fatherhood of God. He provides everything. And that's the perfect sonship of Jesus, because he's not just son of the Father, he's son of Mary too. So when he's looking in time ahead to his chosen one to be the vessel for himself, because he knows before all ages, before he creates the heavens and the earth, he knows he's gonna come to earth. So the proto-evangelium is not a backup plan, it's not plan B, right? It's like, oh darn, Adam and Eve messed up. Now I've got to think up how am I gonna save the human race now. Before God created anything, God had Mary in mind that he would come and be uh brought about, you know, born as a fruit of the womb of the Blessed Virgin Mary. So absolutely. Um this this mystery is huge. Uh we can spend the rest of our lives meditating on its importance, its significance, and but ultimately it comes down to Jesus is going to be in that womb. And if we know anything about biology, um you know that a mother, when she conceives, maintains some DNA, some part of the child the rest of life, right? For the moms, you're you're probably like, yeah, that's that's so dear, I still have my children with me, right? I mean, it's it's maybe weird to say out loud, but it's beautiful to consider. So Jesus is still in Mary, in a way, right? And so you wouldn't want to have anything um impure. Think of all the lengths, the depths that God went to to explain what is the ark gonna look like for the Jews to carry the presence of Christ, which would ultimately be in the temple, right? Nothing unclean, you know, all the rituals the Jews had to do, all the more so to make sure Mary is uh in a fitting dwelling place for God to dwell. Absolutely.

SPEAKER_04 13:35

It's like you have to think about Christ's body, like when they've done studies on universe and miracles, he doesn't actually have a Y chromosome like a man would, but he does have an X chromosome. That X chromosome came from Mary. So I mean it it's fitting that your body is also permanently, even if it's beatified state and glorified state, contains some Mary for whatever. Absolutely. Yeah. So it's fitting in kind of both ways in that sense.

SPEAKER_03 14:01

That's right. Yeah, I this is awesome. Um we could continue on this. I want to push forward a bit, uh, but I hope you see that if we spend time with this, this is uh, you know, the source of meditation, this is the source of ultimate contemplation. To look up here, and in a way you see Mary. Right. Obviously, she's at the foot of the cross, but as as Lucas is saying, with the X versus the Y chromosome, uh, we're gonna see, and not with our naked eye, right, but the eyes of our heart, we're gonna see that Mary is always with Christ. Mother and child go together. Um, just as with the Trinity, there's no nothing that the Son does apart from the Father or that the Spirit does apart from the Son, right? They're cooperating, the three of them together. It's always a holy unity in what they do. Okay, the Mother of God. This is really um I wanted to spend the most time, and that's why you've got your sheets. Uh the Theatokos or the Theotokos. So this also is a mystery that's pointing at the divinity of Christ because we're not just saying Mary is the Christo Tokos, right, the Christ-bearer. Christ is a man, uh, right? We have lots of Christs in the Old Testament. Uh, the term itself, the Messiah or Meshiach, uh, Meshiach, right, the anointed one. There are lots of anointed ones in the Old Testament. So Jesus is not the only Christ. He is the Christ, right? Just like the way, the truth, the life. There's lots of truths out there, and they're not in opposition. They all participate in the one truth, right? Um, well, we're saying Mary didn't just give birth to Christ's manhood because there's one person. He's not a split personality. Jesus is one divine person with two natures, a human nature and a divine nature. The divine nature from before all ages, the light from light, the God from God, true God from true God, right? Begotten, not made. Um, whereas really fully divine and really fully man. So she doesn't just give birth to his humanity, she gives birth to a person. Right? That's why we love our mother. Uh, she gives birth to a person. And that is not saying his personhood began with Mary, but that there's only one person coming out, and that's the divine person with two natures, Jesus Christ, right? The true Son of God. This came up last week with Lucy asking about a lot of times non-Catholics, and also we'll include non-Orthodox, can struggle with this term. Uh the mother of God. Questions, concerns about this title. It's it's uh can be a stumbling block, just as the cross can be a stumbling block for those who don't believe or for those with weak faith, right? For those with misunderstandings, hardness of heart, whatever it might be, right? And we're not pointing fingers, we're just indicating what might be the ailment that needs to be healed through our humility, right? That's how we heal people, through through God working through lowly people like us. Um, Mother of God, questions on this title? Comments on this title. Okay, so this is where I want to pull out the sheet. Um the subtuum, right? This is a beautiful hymn. If you look it up online, you'll find like 15 different chants, so slight variations. Um, some of them have different lines or added on lines like Alleluia, uh versicles, but ultimately the main one is coming from this third century Greek poem or hymn that's meant to be a prayer. Like everything we do should be offered to the Lord in a prayerful way. So it's not meant for the ego or the ego to be boosted up, right? To think we're smart or anything like that. Ultimately, our everything we do should be prayerful, humble before the Lord. And so we, of course, are children of Mary, because that's what Christ says, behold your son, right? And son, behold your mother. So we are true uh sons of our lady. Uh we're not divine, but we're being divinized, right? That's a really important part of Christianity. It's maybe one of the most, it might be the thing of Christianity. Christ came uh and took on human nature so that we could take on the divine nature, right? We want to be divinized, uh deification, theosis. Um that that's what we're called to, to be more and more godlike, to be more and more Christ-like, and not just in a moral sense, like, well, we treat people well, but we begin to have one heart with God. Our will, our mind, our intellect, our way of viewing everything becomes the way God sees. And yet we're still ourselves. So we don't lose ourselves like some nirvana. But we we really participate. Uh, you can think of the the fishermen, right? Peter, uh, Simon Peter, Andrew, John, there's they're small business owners, right? They're really decent fishermen. Maybe sometimes they fail to catch the fish, but but they're that's their livelihood. They don't stink at it, right? They're they're pretty good at it, otherwise they'd find a new job, right? So they've got uh fish fishing is a skill set. And the Lord doesn't say, I'm gonna make you musicians of men, like change your career path. No, they're gonna keep on catching. It's just the catch will be different. They'll become cat uh fishers of men, right? So same with us. We don't lose our normal um attributes, but we they get divinized, they become perfected. Right? More and more the closer we are to God, the more our normal way of operating is just a heavenly way, an angelic way of operating. If you think about the class on the angels and the covenants, we want to be angelic. Okay, so the subtuum. I'm not gonna read out the Greek for you, but we'll go to the middle section, the Latin Subtuum presidium confugimus, um, sancti de genitrix, nostras deprecationis ne despicias in ne cacitatibus, seta periculis cunctis, liberano semper, virgo gloriosa et benedita. Um and so I put on the right, that's like more of a word-for-word translation of the Latin. It's not a word-for-word translation of the Greek, as you can see with the highlighted, because the second line in the Greek has theotoke, um, and um whereas the third line in the Latin and the Greek has the Mother of God. So, yeah, the uh the translation we'll we'll use today, there's lots of different translations. It's a hymn, it's a poem, it's meant to be art uh articulated in a um fitting manner, right? A way that speaks to the heart. But this is kind of a word-for-word translation, under thy protection, so you can see subtuum, right? Under thy presidium, protection. Um you can think of an army gathering under their banner. Konfuji muss we fly. Uh down at the bottom I put on the bottom of this sheet, Konfuji mus, and then an arrow. Do you see at the very bottom, we fly, or with together, kon, right? With or together, as under one, our mot as under our mother, but tempusfuji, right? Tempus fugit. Tempusfuji, different pronunciations, we all know that phrase at least. Time flies, right? So konfuji mus. Uh hopefully in our prayer, we're not looking at our watch, like, oh man, when when is my holy hour gonna end? Right, but time flies. The more we delight in spending time with the blessed mother, uh, the more we get to know her and not just know facts about her, the more it's quality time with our mother, right? And that's time flies. Uh, same thing with our father, right? We're saying this next week Mary is gonna help us to be good sons and daughters because he is the father, right? When we look at fatherhood, he doesn't have a biological Son. Fatherhood is always spiritual first, and then there's lesser ways of being a father, like biological, etc. Saint Joseph doesn't fall short. So we say foster father, but like he's a father the way God is father. So his fatherhood's not less. So we can also look to St. Joseph as a perfect image of fatherhood. And that might sound strange, but like again, we always want to look at God to know how to see the world. That's what we need to do. So time flies or it escapes us, right? It gets beyond us as we're spending quality time with family. And that's really a huge theme, of course, with Father O'Hare, the domestic church. Quality time together in prayer, reading the Psalms, singing songs together, hymns, canticles, right? Spiritual songs, right out of St. Paul's words. That's what we as a family want to do. To worship together, to pray the rosary, to read the gospel together, ask each other, what did that speak to you when we were reading that, Susan, you know, or Timmy. And to teach our kids about the covenant, to teach our kids how to live out the faith. That it's not just the Ten Commandments, but that's really important. But like, you gotta know people. So time flies, hopefully, right? And we're gonna sing this later, but time flies. Obviously, that's not what it says. Uh Kung Fuji mus, we fly. So under thy protection, we fly, O holy Mother of God. Do not despise our petitions, right? She's perfect. She's immaculately conceived. Our petitions fall short. We might be looking for lesser things. But with a pure heart, more like Mary's heart, her immaculate heart is perfectly pure. And we want to be disciples like Mary. So the more our hearts are purified, are righteous, the more they're burning with the love of God and neighbor, then our petitions will not be despised worthy. They'll be appreciated by our mother, right? They won't be annoying to Mary. She won't look away and be like, oh man, my son or my daughter is asking for crazy things again. No, it's it's mostly maybe our petitions are help help my fallen away brother or sister get back to the church. Help me to repent so that I actually have sorrow for my sins and that I stop treating my spouse poorly, whatever it might be, right? We all have our sins. So our petitions, we don't want Mary to despise them because they're necessary, right? Our petitions are real. They're for salvation. They're not just for winning the lottery, they're not just for a new car. Our petitions are for what's necessary. You know, have mercy on us and on the whole world. That's the kind of petition we want to ask Mary for, and Jesus, of course. So from all perils in our necessities, but from all perils, deliver us always. We don't want to be in danger, especially the danger of sin. Kind of like said Libra no Samala, right? But deliver us from evil, we say at the end of the Our Father. Um so we were saying similar things to the Father as we're saying to the Mother, right? Because the Mother and the Father, the Holy Spirit, Jesus, Mary's heart is united to their sacred heart, right? So we can trust that she's going to deliver us always from evil. And we want to end it off by saying, Oh, glorious and blessed virgin, right? Because she's she's more than just uh any old lady that we're we're asking, hey, pray for this intention, please. This is the mother of God, right? This is this is the Immaculate Conception, so we we bow before the mystery. We don't worship her, right? We give uh there's we've got the dulia and the hyperdulia, right? So God gets the most dulia, we could say, the ultimate worship, but Mary still gets like a whole lot, more than regular people, because of who she is and what she's done for us. So the uh the Theatokos, um, again, that's that is from uh, as it says here, 431, we're on page 114, the Theotokos is defined, we could say, at the ecumenical council of Ephesus. Uh you can think of John taking the Blessed Mother to Ephesus, modern-day Turkey. Uh of course, they end up back in Jerusalem and she dies in Jerusalem. Um, they send word across the world to the living apostles to get back, and other kind of famous disciples at that point to get back for her funeral, and then Jesus comes down and takes her to heaven, right? So we have the assumption. These are documented within the first century by, for instance, Saint Dionusius or Dionysus the Areopagite, who Saint Paul converted in Athens. Um, but the so Ephesus, really important place, and they have that council, that ecumenical council in 431. And one of the reasons is because the bishop of Constantinople, the archbishop or the um the patriarch, right, he was saying, we want to say Christotokos. Stop saying Theotokos. The lay people in the church would sing hymns to the Theotokos, probably this subtuum, but in Greek, because they're speaking Greek in uh Constantinople at the time, right? That's that's uh part of the Eastern Empire, which was Greek language. So the lay people were like, crying out to our lady as the the Godbearer, right? The mother of God. And the the bishop was like, no, no, no. And he was a bad bishop, right? He's not a saint. Um and so other bishops are like, what are you doing, bishop? That's these lay people are doing it right. They know the true faith. They know that Jesus is God, right? The word became flesh and dwelt among us. They know their theology. So Mary's not just bringing about a man, she's bringing about God. There wasn't a time when Jesus wasn't God, he was always God, right? And so Mary didn't give birth to a man who became God later or figured out he was God at the baptism of the Lord by, oh, I'm God, I've got a mission. No, he always knew he was God, and he always was God. So Theatokos, they they say, like, we need to settle this because there are crazy theologians, quote unquote experts, right, that that thought of themselves as holy and learned, but they were not, because they didn't have devotion to our lady. They didn't know our lady well. They maybe knew some facts, but they were confused because you've got to live the faith. Okay. So they they settled this. Um questions, comments on on this mystery of our lady. You can see the next one down, spouse, the spouse of Joseph. So page 114, the second title or attribute of Mary, the spouse of Joseph, the foster father of Christ. And I do want to indicate again, foster father in English has maybe a lesser name or meaning connotation, but foster, we can think more like guardians. So he's the guardian father of Christ. Um he's there to protect and provide and care for Mary, because some of Jesus is still in Mary, right? And Jesus himself. So incredible vocation, missionary, um, disciple to be guarding Mary and Jesus. So Joseph has an amazing title. And again, in English, foster father could seem like, well, less than that, or not really. But we know he's legally the father of Jesus in part from the Bible itself, because he gives the name. So sometimes we'll hear, and I don't think it's a wrong thing, but we'll hear Jesus never said anything in the gospel. It's not recorded. But a man named Brett Petrie, right, he helped us to remember, no, no. It's the father's role at the circumcision to say the name of Jesus, or to give the name of the child. And so unlikely that Mary would have usurped Joseph's role. She's the perfect disciple, she doesn't sin, she doesn't fall short. So it'd be wild, it'd be really weird if she said, Hold on, Joseph, let me give the name at this you know, official religious ritual, right? That that would be strange. More than likely, uh, it's like almost unbelievable that Joseph didn't give that name. So Joseph has that word because we know in the gospel, and his name will be Jesus, right? That so at the circumcision, Joseph supplies the name. He offers that along with uh you know two pigeons or turtle doves, right? Um so Joseph, foster father is not uh an insult, but in other languages it's it's a more meaningful term. So please hold on to that. And um any this is obviously the spouse of Joseph, so we're looking at Mary, but when we look at Mary, we see her spouse. So thoughts on Joseph or Mary in this title attribute? Any questions, comments? Okay, thanks. So we're hearing, you know, your favorite saying, how can you relate to him partly through scripture, right? You want to get to know somebody that's written in the scripture, look to the scriptures. Um I'm saying that there maybe he does does give one word in the scripture with by just saying the name Jesus at the circumcision. So it doesn't say who said that, but but we know, according to uh other sources, um, including the Old Testament, but outside Scripture as well, extra canonical, extra biblical sources, we know the Father's role is to supply the name at the circumcision. So it would be more than likely, even doesn't say Joseph said this, that Joseph would have said um Jesus. And that's that's something to remind us in humility that if we want to be like Mary, we want to be like Joseph. When we say Jesus, right, we bow our head, we we say it with devotion. Uh we never say it sacrilegiously or blasphemously, right? We don't use it as a curse. Um and maybe if somebody else is in a casual way saying Jesus, right? That that we indicate in some way, oh, save us. You know, so because Joseph would have been that way, right? He would have honored that name. I can't imagine the humility he had to have, say, like, yes, Lord, I don't feel worthy, but I'm gonna say the name of this circumcision. My wife is Immaculate Conception herself, you know, she should be doing this. Uh she's like, no, no, it's okay, Joseph. So in so many ways we can be like Joseph. And I want to point out on 115 in the book, right? We have Saint Joseph, Mary's faithful spouse, and I believe we learn about the hidden years. Was that earlier or later? Yeah, Christ's hidden years is on 118. So that's we might meditate on that. It indicates St. Joseph on 119. So even in the book itself, we've got some sources for Joseph. I really recommend Father Donald Calloway's uh consecration of Saint Joseph, which came out, I believe, in 2019. Great thing to do as a family, especially as a spouse, you can read it out loud together, uh, or just alone. Uh, but make that consecration. He, Father Callaway did so much research on the life of Joseph and devotion over the centuries that has increased. For instance, St. Ceresa of Avula, right? Anything you ask of Joseph is going to be given to you. Obviously, if it's holy, you know, it's not like, let me conquer Europe. Joseph's like, you got it, anything you ask, right? Nothing crazy like that. But the the things that our lady won't despise, right? Joseph won't despise those either. Um, and so Father Callaway's, there's other consecration books of St. Joseph, but those are great for learning about in order to learn to love the actual person, Saint Joseph. Um St. Leo XIII wrote uh, I think, an encyclical, but definitely a letter on Joseph. I think John Paul did too. And so we believe through sources like the Pope's that Joseph would have been born without sin. So, of course, uh Jesus is never with sin before all ages, right? Um Mary is immaculately conceived. Adam and Eve were born without sin, or not born, but but created without sin, but then they sinned shortly after. Joseph was conceived with sin, original sin, but then is born without sin. He's purified, just like John the Baptist, right? And these are from almost throughout. This is not a dogma, right? These were not declared, but just like the assumption is not declared until like 1950 is a dogma, it's in the artwork throughout the centuries, it's in the rosary that we have from St. Our Lady given to St. Dominic about 800 years ago, right? So these are not new mysteries, uh, they're things to ponder because they get us closer to God. And so Joseph being uh born without sin, you know, if you struggle with Alan, you know, just leave it alone. Like put it aside and focus on Christ more, no problem. It's not it's not a heresy to say Jesus, uh Joseph might have had some sins in his life, but we um we have good reason to think you know he's without any sins, so he's a great model. He's absolutely absolutely a saint we want to have close to us. You can think of soon to be beatified, the venerable Fulton Sheen, always writing JMJ, right? Um, on the blackboard. And so so he had that devotion to the Holy Family. And Father Callaway back in January published a new book, Consecration to the Holy Family. Uh, it's a great one to do as a family, so I recommend that book as well. Um, so Joseph, wonderful. Wonderful. Back to the sheep. Um, I do have the gold here, so that's papyrus, or um you know, an ancient uh perhaps manuscript, but it's it's not all there. It's unfortunately weathered the years, um or over the years it's been weathered. So some parts are missing, but let's see here. One, two, three, four lines down. Can you see theta toke? Can you see that word written? The theta, epsilon, amicron. So that's um, I think that's it's hard to read, honestly. But uh at the end of the day, our faith is ancient, ever ancient, but and yet ever new. Right? We're always learning new things, and and especially even with the most simple things like the Trinity. Very basic, but we're always learning more. So ever ancient, ever new. And maybe we can stand and sing. Would you like to sing? We'll do our best to chant the subtum. So again, pronouncing it subtum presidium confugimus, song today genitrix, nostras deprecationes, ne despicias in necesitativus, seda periculis cuntis, libera nos semper, virga gloriosa et benedicta. If you struggle with the Gregorian notation, uh that's okay. We're we're just gonna do our best and offer it to the Lord, and he will he will do something wonderful with it.

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Subtum presidium confucimus sancade nostras de precaziones nede specia necesitativus seta periculis cuntis, libera nos ampero glorio. Wonderful.

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Um so if you want to uh sit again, um we will wrap up with uh the last couple of pages of the sheet. Uh it's 1040, so I want to respect your time. Um Theotokos, the one who birthed God, she who delivered birth to God. There's so many ways to express that, but ultimately she is the mother of God, right? One who gives birth to is the mother. Um and the transliteration of theos, so t-h e o s pronounce pronunciation theos, um definition there of uncertain affinity, a deity, especially with uh so g here indicates um strong's g. So Strong's was um a great translator, he wrote several dictionaries of the New Testament from the Greek and the Hebrew. So if you see it a G, it's indicating Greek. So the Greek term um 2316 is Theos, and then uh the Greek term 3588 in the dictionary of Greek is this term, uh, the supreme deity. Um, and then if it's an H before the numbering, it's Hebrew. Okay, so we're just looking at Greek. Um, the supreme divinity, figuratively a magistrate, right? So somebody's in charge, the had Hancho. By Hebraism, very. So we could say very or exceedingly godly, right? Not just God, but super godly, because we can be godly, well, God is infinitely more godly, right? Um takas, uh sometimes you'll hear pronounced tokos, but it's an omicron, not an um not an omega. So takas uh birth, the act of bringing forth that which has been brought forth, offspring, interest of money, usury, because it multiplies money as and as it were breathes or brings about, right? So I highlighted in orange theos and God, right? It's almost always gonna be God or something very similar to God. But you can see very different birth versus interest of money or usury. So for takos, the you're like, wait a minute, I thought we were talking about the mother of God. She's the interest of God, she's the um the usury of God. No, clearly not the usury of God, that's a sin. Um, but when we look at how the Bible in Greek uses takos, in the New Testament it's used twice. So Matthew 25, 27, then you ought to have invested my money with the bankers, and at my coming I should have received what was mine my own with takos or interest. Okay? Um and then why then did you not put my money into the bank? And at my coming I should have collected it with takos or interest, Luke 19, 23. So it's not like uh, and his mother was, and it's takos right there in the Greek. But um it seems like uh economic term. Okay? We can also think of the economy of faith or the economy of the household of God, or Konias, right? Um so usually in the Old Testament, it's also going to appear as interest. But then if we go all the way down to the bottom of this sheet from Hosea, the book of the prophet Hosea, chapter 9, verse 11, easy to remember, 9-11, Hosea 9.11. Ephraim's glory shall fly away. You can think of the Konfuji moose, right? Uh the uh Tempest Fuji, fly away. So Ephraim's glory shall fly away like a bird. No birth, in this case, no tachos, no pregnancy, no conception. And that's actually the last of the Greek, because this is the Septuagint, right? This is this is obviously the Greek translation of the Old Testament. So the last appearance of the word tacos in the Old Testament is birth, right? It doesn't make sense the usury or interest here. So we're pointing ahead to Mary as we get closer to the incarnation, the New Testament. So we're gonna see tachos, but you might be saying, why is it then in the New Testament taukos is interest? More of a money term. Turn the page, and we'll see. This is a great scholar, uh Dr. Michael Pakalik. Um, I met him a few years back when he was presenting his new book on the voice of Mary and the Gospel of John, beautiful book. So he's translated the Gospel of Mark from Greek into English, he translated the Gospel of John into from Greek into English with his own little commentaries. And then more recently, I think about two years ago maybe, he translated the Gospel of Matthew from Greek into English. And he has been a philosophy professor. Um and by the way, his wife is a servant of God, right? So he his wife unfortunately died several years back from cancer. Um, and then he got married and they had even more kids. So he's got like eight kids, um, really faithful man, teachers at Catholic University of America, and uh he taught both in the philosophy and theology area, but also was uh I think acting dean of the business school, but definitely was teaching ethics, business ethics in the business school at CUA. So he knows St. Thomas Aquinas, he knows Aristotle, uh, but he also knows like the normal ways of the world. Great scholar. And I've highlighted down on the bottom left of the first page, so where it says we need centers of human fructification. You see at the bottom in highlight uh in Greek the word for interest is takos, which means offspring of a womb. Uh so this whole reading, I encourage you to go home and read that uh about bearing fruit. We don't want to just flourish, right? There's so many centers of human flourishing out there. And to flourish means to flower. So you can think of a rose blooming, right? Uh any any of the beautiful colors of the flowers that we see, it's because of their flourishing, they're flowering. The fleur de ride, right? We're we're here at St. Louis, an important symbol of our faith, the fleur de lit. So flourishing is a good thing, but without fruit, it's nothing. And Jesus even looks at a flowering um, what is the name of the plant? The fig tree, right? I've got uh fig trees in my neighborhood, a couple miles from here. But it's only good when it bears fruit. You don't want to eat the leaves of the fig tree, you want to eat the fig, right? You want to have fruit. And that's interest or tacos. So we always look to Mary. She's our perfect model. To be holy is to bear fruit. So I really encourage you to go home and read this, um, meditate on it, hold on to it. This is for May 21st, 2026. It's a very recent publication from the Catholic thing. Um 1047. Should we conclude there? Any last thoughts? I think we're good. Let us pray um with the English. We'll conclude with the English from the subtum. And I wish you a very good week. Blessings to you all, and advance, in advance, a happy Father's Day to all. In the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit. Under thy protection we fly, O Holy Mother of God. Do not despise our petitions and our necessities, but from all perils deliver us always. O glorious and blessed Virgin. Amen. In the name of the Father and of the Son of the Holy Spirit.

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Amen.