Understanding the Mallworld Phenomenon

Learn what the deeper meanings of your Mallworld dreams may be; the psychological patterns in your life. Some Makkworld Dreamers were in the GATE Program, Gifted And Talented Education, which is theorized to have caused this phenomenon in some minds. However, your host Troy has been reflecting on his Makkworld dreams, an through the lens of Jungian dream analysis, he has decoded the meanings behind his repeated visits to some of these venues.

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SPEAKER_00 0:15

Welcome to Tea Time with Angels, the official podcast of the Peaceful Rain Temple of Empowerment. If you're a curious mind, you're in the right place. We aren't afraid to dig deep into the mysteries of life and try to make sense of the strange things. I'm your host, George J. Bacon. I'm a minister of angel healing and a master level in three schools of Reiki. I'm the founder of the Peaceful Rain Temple of Empowerment, a non-dogmatic spiritual fellowship that is dedicated to assisting those who are on the spiritual path to embody their higher self, their divine essence throughout the rest of their days in a mortal body. You can find more about peaceful rain at peacefulrain.com as well as visit our school, which is linked up at peacefulrain.com. The school group is the online portion where I'm currently teaching and giving free services as well as paid membership services. So that is S K-O-O-L, and you can search Peaceful Rain Temple on there, as well as linked up at um Peaceforrain.com and in the description of this podcast. So let's get into today's discussion, where we are joined again with Amanda, the astral analyst, as I have dubbed her. Today's discussion will be about Maulworld. A follow-up on our first dive into Maulworld, and especially Amanda has been compiling more of her notes and drawings that will be featured here about Maul World, some specific scenes. I have also realized that I've visited some places in Maul World or the Dream World. And so I'll be describing some of that and what that looks like, but also my analysis, more like a parapsychological analysis from my expertise of the reasons why that happened for me, and some of the reasons why I believe this Maul World or Dream World phenomena is happening with other people, why they're visiting the same places, no matter where they are in the world, ethnicity, background, um, religious beliefs, and all that. So, Amanda, I'll let you have the floor and let's talk about Mall World and the new scenes that you have going on.

SPEAKER_01 3:05

Um, well, I guess the new scenes I'm working on is uh I did a more thorough of the K, but I'm also like kind of focusing now on the neighborhood and the houses, like the different beach houses, the different townhouses around the pond. There's a ditch with these stones. I mean, there's different houses I go into that I've heard I've seen other people talk about going into. So I'm gonna start branching out and doing a more broader part. And I'm also um, you know, I I have to look up that maybe the the back rooms or if the back rooms that people are talking about is the same thing that I'm thinking of, because I'm not too sure, but I feel like it's one part of the model. So I'm trying to like figure out how I'm seeing the what I figured is the back rooms and kind of connecting the doubts of how that might map out. But uh yeah, that's just I I mean I remember a lot, so I'm still working through drawing it all out, and I'd love to like uh almost I and it'll probably just like 200 drawings. I'm at 150 right now, you know, so because I just remember a lot and um I figured I just want to put it all down to people. So that's just where I'm at right now with it. And I uh, you know, I just want to help people hopefully like, you know, helping people together or, you know, maybe it might inspire something for them to remember, you know. Because the more people that work together on this, the better it can be.

SPEAKER_00 4:27

So yeah, that's what we're all about is um supporting everyone on this kind of mysterious and sometimes enigmatic spiritual journey. So Amanda, I want to um clarify something. Uh, were you talking about the the back rooms or bathrooms?

SPEAKER_01 4:46

The back room. That's what I'm confused about right now. Because I um right up there, like the back room of the mall world is different. So I would have to like actually like do a little bit more interesting to see what they're calling the back rooms, because I actually thought what they're describing as the back rooms is part of the mall world. Because I have a part where in the theater, the movie theater, you go down this like you know, hallway, this dark, whatever hallway. And then then you have the theater that could be that auditorium, like all these people that you know in there is chaotic, or it could be the movie theater. But to the like, I guess you could say if you're facing that, to the um left of that is like this door in the hallway, and that leads to like this apartment, and that apartment will lead to um this huge grocery like razor storage, it's massive. Like you would think like it is like you know, storage to like a huge grocery link, you know, and then after that there's this plant warehouse, and then it'll exit out. So I had talked about that, and people are saying that looks like the back rooms. And I'm like, yeah, I thought it was the same thing, but apparently there's this debate that's different. So I'm not exactly sure what people are referring to, but so far I feel like it might be connected as a whole, but I'm not, you know, I would have to actually make sure that like what they're talking about is the same thing. So the whole thing is anyone's dreaming of these places, and uh it's really just beyond weird because I have big pattern equations. So the fact that like people are saying I pick up the same quarters in the same spot in the arcade, that's the same thing, that's really you know, a coincidence is happening twice, three times in the pattern.

SPEAKER_00 6:26

Yeah. Um yeah, I'm I'd be curious to also dig into and learn more about like what the distinction is. What like it's so in the in our dream time that a lot of us are visiting these places, but why we have to separate the backrooms from these other rooms and spaces in Maul World or this this dream world.

SPEAKER_01 6:50

Back rooms recognize it as a recurring dream by two? I don't know that. I'm really not sure what it can stem from. Is it stem from recurring dreams like Maul World or does it stem from something else? I'm not really sure. That's that's why I I need like when I get a chance. I want to do more thorough research into it to see if it's like, you know.

SPEAKER_00 7:09

Yeah, let's um let's continue this conversation and these studies because I I believe that some of the specific places, like very real, solid places I've visited in dreams. But when I've had lucid dreams, um it just feels so solid and tangible. Like I wouldn't describe some of the places as mall world. I remember being in a hospital when I went lucid once, and then the two nurses there that I found in the hallway were literally just like uh uneducated, just completely useless data programs and didn't know what was where, how to help me get out of there. Yeah. Um so it is too.

SPEAKER_01 7:54

I've seen two hospitals. Had you is it the one where like you might see a highway that it's like on the highway almost, or you'll see a highway in a window. Because I I've actually had like two different parts of the hospital where like I've had at least one over the other for whatever reason.

SPEAKER_00 8:12

Yeah, I don't remember if I saw out of a window or a highway. I just remember in the hospital, it was I think at least a third floor. I remember going up in an elevator in the the hospital. Getting out of the elevator, um, right now I don't remember exactly what I was doing before the elevator, but um, I was in this this hospital. I went up the elevator. It was uh it felt like at least a third floor, maybe higher. Um, but one of those hallways, hospital hallways, where it's just like hallway on either side, and just rooms. Well, I don't remember if there were other people in the in the rooms, but it was just like rooms and rooms, patient rooms, um, all the way down the hallway. And then so I couldn't find my way out. I was trying to find my way out of the hospital, but then I found these useless nurse programs and PCs.

SPEAKER_01 9:10

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 9:15

Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 9:16

I it's weird. I mean the hospital, like I I know I I don't spend too much. I I go in the waiting room. I know part of it turns into the school, but I also know like um I have like I I I'll go like the triage and I'll study this other one, but there is a part where like the movie theater, that arcades are like after you go down the little hallway to arcade and not the back rooms, but on the other side of the theater, there is a hallway that turns into the the hospital. And it's if you go from like the movie theater hallway to like the hospital, but you're going through like this kind of maze. For me, it's like you go through these maze and it's just a lot of like the empty room. But some and like this empty desk, like it's almost seems semi, semi-abandon, like semi-part of a hospital that we close to renovation, but it's not exactly the same because sometimes there will be people and patients there. Sometimes there will be staff that looks at me funny. But it it usually I if I keep going, I'll I'll end up in this like huge circular playroom of sorts, like a a rich kid's room in a mansion. I mean, this playroom has everything, like, because I'm always in the kitchen section because like the cribs and pretend crids with all the little food in it. Like if you were a kid and you wanted to do one of that stuff, you know, everybody had that stuff. Uh, it just has everything to think of. And I know I go in there a lot and I'm always just kind of going in a circle looking at that stuff, and that's kind of a hard place. And I uh I feel like that might be connected to the mansion, but I I I can't say for sure because it is hard to navigate how you can switch up in places at certain times, you know.

SPEAKER_00 10:48

Yeah, yeah, and so I guess um where I'm coming from, from a parapsychology and hypnotherapy and um more philosophical background is um not only talking about and digging into these malworld scenes and phenomena, but understanding them through that lens of sort of a Jungian dream analysis approach of why this is happening, what each dream, what each scene might represent. And for me, it's it's kind of a curiosity as um the like the hospital and other buildings and places have gone lucid in in these dreams, and sort of what that means, um, gone lucid, like it's kind of an interesting dichotomy, I guess I'd describe um why this is happening, because for me, the the specific places I have been and also returned to in different dreams definitely have noticed they they correlate, correspond to states of consciousness that I've been in and cycles throughout my life, waking life. Um, and then when I change my internal patterns, um start meditating more daily and be more conscious about my life, then those some of these dreams stop or change. Yeah, and so then it's um it's interesting to to think about the the I guess consciousness juxtaposition or dichotomy of when you're just going through these dreams and it it's so real, so physical, but you're just going through them um either with whatever the meaning is between um needing to get out of somewhere, or for me it's been the intersection where I'm driving and just can't stop uh moving forward. Sometimes the brakes don't work and I just speed through intersections, train tracks, and um other pieces of city intersections. But then it's um those basically to me would represent being out of control or not being able to control or understand your situation. Whereas it's I think a different thing where you go lucid.

SPEAKER_01 13:16

Um it's not like so much of a symbolic thing versus something that you're actually experiencing on a different level or dimension of different yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 13:27

But uh like it it's interesting because to me it feels like kind of the same place, the same matrix, but then these different models of engaging with it, whether you're just unconscious or you're lucid. Um so that's where I'm at thinking about that. I could talk more about what I think of, especially my analysis of the city intersection experience, too.

SPEAKER_01 13:57

Yeah, I mean it just seems like you ever feel like you're kind of in a rust when you're driving when you're in the car or still inside them, or you ever have like that you're on the bus, or like you're trying to like because I know when I'm in the car, like uh in Marl World, it's like we're trying to get away from these natural disasters for the most part, so like you see the tornadoes or whatever, the tsunamis in the background coming and we're driving away from it. But sometimes we could be on the bus doing that too, and um, you know, it it just feels more urgent unless I'm like on that leaky road and then you just fly off of it and like you're really floating in the air until like people somehow land yourself. So and I'll be on the series too. So I think it's very odd because the thing is, you know, I have these dreams and it really doesn't matter how psychic you are when it comes to something like personal, like hits homes that you're actually kind of involved in, it's a lot harder to kind of be objective and and and be even what you're seeing in film. In my experience, for me personally, um, I can like I have a hard time leading into like my own experiences because I'm so involved in it that it's hard to have that objective view where if you're like channeling or you want to do whatever, because uh you have to like kind of like not have anything that's you involved. Like you have to put you aside, right? And come in like in a clean state. So it is harder for me, like when I'm involved in something, for me to actually read into. It actually makes it more challenging. So I have to reach out to my friends who are oh it's supposed to like read it, like hey, I need your help with this because I'm too close to see it, right? I don't think I'm seeing it objectively. I think it's distorted by my own experiences. So it it's yeah, it's it's really difficult in Marvel because I am I I I mean, I don't really know exactly how to explain it, but at the same time, I don't really want my own stuff to bleed into my perceptions and give off like an inaccurate thing of things, you know, because I I try to be cautious about that because I do understand the dynamic of it.

SPEAKER_00 15:56

Yeah. Um, I guess I have a question about that, but a little thing, um, I guess for my my history and training, um, like I was saying in Jungian dream analysis is um back when I was in college, I took some consciousness studies classes, and so that's where I got introduced to this and this dream analysis approach. And Carl Jung um came up with this, like you could do it in groups or also on your own. Um, but this question that helps to analyze your dreams, it it I know it's not easy for everyone who's not experienced in this, but you can do this with your dream journal um or friends or dream group too, if you find one or start one. Um but the question is if this were my dream, what would this mean to me? Or what does this mean to me? What does what do these characters, what do these colors, symbols, places, experiences, feelings in this dream mean to me? And it's that type of guiding question that then that's basically the prompt in your journal about each dream, where you can start answering what that means to you every morning, perhaps, if you're dream journaling every morning, whenever you remember your dreams. And by um remembering your dreams and journaling about your dreams, that does build the the neural synapses for dream memory. Um, that's been my experience. Otherwise, if you're not journaling about your dreams or even talking about them, then you're just not going to have great dream memory if you don't already have great dream memory.

SPEAKER_01 17:42

So that makes perfect sense to me, actually. That I feel like that's what I did.

SPEAKER_00 17:46

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 17:47

Because when I was like the whole psychic stuff started when I was like 15, 17 with dreams, with dreams that told me specific details of things that were going on. But the thing is, after I had that first dream that ended up being true, I did kind of obsess on it. Like that was really weird, and I I fully like got committed to writing down my dreams, focusing on them, paying attention, and like ADHD, hyper-focused on them, right? And uh I I used to say, like, I feel like my dreams started everything, and that me focusing on them did kickstart a lot of the abilities that came after. Like I did use if I feel like I don't know if I'm right now. I feel like as I got older, I'm not really sure you know, I've had a different theory. But back then I really did say, hey, it's your dreams. Like I used to think that you have to have you have to have your dreams to get psychic. Like I used to think that was the way, like when I was younger. I'm like, that's how I did it, so that's how everybody has to do it, right?

SPEAKER_00 18:38

Yeah, so Amanda, could um I'd like to ask you, do you feel that your dreams have often been um like a reflection? They they reflect to you what's happening for like analysis, or also there's some psychic elements too, precognitive in my dreams.

SPEAKER_01 18:57

Symbolically, yeah, they have. Like I definitely see a lot of like mild issues, ego, traumas, and things like that have been affected in my dreams. But those dreams are different from like the Marworld dreams that we occurring, and they're different from like the lucid dreaming. It's kind of like a it's a slightly different dynamic of these things, you know what I mean? That like to lump it all together is hard. Because it is weird. I just I think I stopped putting some of stuff in my dreams because other abilities came after them that they kind of got lost in the crap. Like they weren't like like maybe I didn't realize that they were more significant because they're like, oh bigger stuff is happening, like I'm focused on this, right? So but now that I'm thinking back on it, I'm like, well, maybe I should have been paying attention a little bit more to this stuff, right? I'm not sure because um it's odd, you know. I'm learning more, like doing this Mall World project has actually taught me something, you know, I'm learning more from it.

SPEAKER_00 19:55

So going on this continuing on this line of sort of what Mallworld means, what these dreams mean for each of us and the collective, um comparing some of your experiences and correlating them also with um comments and descriptions you've seen on social media sites and the internet.

SPEAKER_01 20:22

Would you have you noticed a commonality between um like lifestyles or things Ma World Dreamers are doing in life and maybe a common thread of um Ma World Dreams or if there is one that you've noticed The only common thread I've seen is people that were in a gate program talk about it or but like neurodivergent and um and there are people like me who weren't in the gate program, right? So I have noticed that, but I can't say for sure because you never know, like the more people it can reach, this could change this dynamic and change, right? So I'm not really sure what's going on with it because I do personally feel that like everybody has the capability to tap into these different abilities or dimensions of like spirituality where they can go into a journal, they can actually learn how to channel, which I know they can. They just you know, it's just a matter of you believe you can because you're not gonna do something if you don't believe you can do it like I mean that's just more property, right? But um at the same time, I I I feel like a part of it might be in the fact that the lights are kind of coming on for people, like there is some adapt something going on where people are kind of like being more aware or their eyes are open or they're starting to recognize things or maybe things are starting to like jump out. I'm not really sure how to explain it properly, but I have seen this dynamic, and not just in people. I've seen it in animal. I don't know if you notice it. Animals are becoming a little more conscious lately. Have you seen that? But really, I'm sure. Anyway, the thing is, yeah, I I mean, so it's complicated. Because I feel like people are exploring a whole new dimension of life that they are starting to realize they are producing, they have access to it, you know what I mean? But as far as like a certain type of people that are dreaming of this, I I just gonna say like maybe some people are a little more sensitive, a little more open to these things. It's not that anybody can't is not capable of tapping on these things, but are you willing? Are you are you actually willing to do it? Because that that is part of a part of you does have to have that in your you know what I mean? Because you can't close it off, you know.

unknown 22:39

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 22:40

I mean it's just I can't close it off, but I've seen people do it, so I don't know.

SPEAKER_00 22:47

So just quickly I want to clarify what the gate program is. I know we touched on this or mentioned that in last episode.

SPEAKER_01 22:56

Yeah, gate, uh gifted and talented education for like gifted kids back like in the 90s, um, which I didn't get into because I got bad breaks, right? But I always diagnosed ADC, I got I got the medication. But uh it was just a gifted program. But if you look back into it, it is kind of sketchy. If you think about the funders and how it started, I mean I went back to those kernels, IQ, and it wasn't just the gate kick kids, but see, the entire eyes fell, not just the gate kids, but also the um neurodivergent. They uh were they called the neurodivergent like a two time exceptional with a high functioning or whatever they they classify is different, I guess. They were very look they were looking into pattern recognition and certain things like that, right? And it is kind of like it does seem like they're looking into like psychic abilities because remote viewing is kind of a just you know, uh mention of good pattern recognition in a sense. Good pattern recognition does help the kind of language or remote viewing, right? But uh this stuff is connected to the subconscious mind. You have to connect to the science and the physical or you want the best lens. But uh, you know, I did notice that and some of the the tests they do, uh, they've talked about I drunk about those tests, and like it does seem like they to me it seems like they were trying to make the psychic fit. And the more research I went back into, I was back in China, and it's so much error during like the 80s, and it had an increase in psychic kids coming. But this psychic kids increase and being born in families is actually been around the world. And uh from what I can see, America did kind of find out about it from other countries that were taking, I guess, haracous steps to like succeed this or whatever. And um, that's the pattern I think, to be honest. And then I also know, like in the X-King files, X-K funded the pilot study for the um telephone that led to the telepathy case documentary. So he was all in it with the artistic kids and their telepathy and how they go in the field and everything. And that makes me that that's sketchy, right? You know what I mean? Like, get away from that, in my opinion. I'm sorry. Like, you know, it's like that is upsetting. It's kind of like what led to Marl World is I look into the gate case, the telepathy case, and what they are looking into with these kids, and then I just stumbled on the marble and it happened to connect. So I'm like, all right, what's going on? That's where I'm at, but I don't have any solid things, just things I'm trying to piece together, but it's more speculative at this point.

SPEAKER_00 25:31

Did I hear that Bill Gates and possibly others are funding the gate program?

SPEAKER_02 25:38

Yeah, they found that.

unknown 25:39

Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 25:41

And it's all built on eugenics.

SPEAKER_00 25:44

Yeah, I'm I'm honestly kind of not surprised, but my my knowledge and exposure initially to the gate program. Um I don't have any reason or memory to believe that I was in it. There are no signs from my life or things going on with me that would indicate that I but I did I did learn of the gate program two or three years ago, a while back. They came to me for a regression, memory regression of some things that had happened, and wanted clarity on some of their memories. And then during the session, they ended up talking about the gate program as they knew it. And so yeah, they told me that it also they they told me that it stood for gifted and talented education. Um, and that they were essentially taken, I think, on a a blacked-out school bus with blacked-out windows or something like that, numerous times taken to this facility. Um their parents, uh according to them, had signed some sort of waiver or agreement for them to go through this um gifted intelligent education program for gifted students, but their parents didn't actually know what it was. And so I I don't know I can't say exactly where, but it was somewhere in the state of Oregon, this facility.

SPEAKER_02 27:21

Oh, really?

SPEAKER_00 27:22

Yeah, that was one of their facilities. Uh this was back in the 90s.

SPEAKER_01 27:27

Is it the school you go to when you're doing good in that program?

SPEAKER_00 27:32

What was that?

SPEAKER_01 27:33

Well, I I is it like because they have certain schools that they will send. I think like you go through the gate program. There is certain schools or whatever academies, like you know, like X-Men schools, I would say almost kind of like it has that vibe. And I say that because they do this. But uh yeah, they do they yeah, it's it's sketchy. They do do they do send people there, you know. So now also neurodivergents, some of them like me to be very unpredictable. I don't know what I'm gonna do tomorrow, so I know they don't know what I'm gonna do tomorrow. So like I feel like those neurodivergents like me, uh, probably just not the outfit at all the meditation. You really re-meditate them because that's all as well. Uh and it's sketchy. Like, I honestly don't know how to say that they were looking for psychic kids. They are absolutely looking for psychic kids. And they're trying to, in my opinion, I think that's what psychic soldiers say from. I really think that they're trying to utilize it. You know what I mean? And uh I think it's like even to go back to Rose term as you read by the IT chest or even legislated, right? They're all big and regenerate. Okay? So you have to understand they want this like supreme human being that they think is quality. It's probably not even on the level of their, but they want something like that and they want to feel part of it in the same way. And uh, you know, so I think like honestly, a lot of this has to do with that. And I do notice, I do think like a lot of things we're studying pattern recognition and things of that nature. Um, I see it in AI. I see in chat GPT uh using pattern recognition, but they're waiting on people in math, you know, in the first three sentences the right emotions as you had to be your personal bestie. And that can almost be psychic. And their pattern recognition only seems psychic, you can actually just there you dare be distant. You know what I mean? People that are not inversion are using as a defense mechanism to kind of like, you know, shield them from being any more like ridiculous or whatever, but it can be weaponized in this way, and uh I see it. You know what I mean? So it makes me wonder. Like I as I say, I only have specific theories at this point, but it's just the pieces I'm putting together, and I'm like, this doesn't add up, you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_00 29:47

Yeah, I do. One last thing I I can say about the gate program is that it was very uh uh obvious to me the way this client was describing the gate program, is um that it was definitely kind of like a well, not quite a front of the program because it's not quite public or like visible to all of us. But yeah, it's it's essentially kind of like a funnel program, I'd say, um, to to bring these these kids, get the give them an excuse and get them authorized to get removed from a school day, um, to go to these these um academies, these camps for specific exercises and tests. But yeah, it's definitely a program that is like a a funnel um to identify which kids are yeah, are are the strongest for psychic warfare, for secret space program operations and summer programs. And yeah, I I could tell that it's definitely a funnel to basically draft um very special people for specific um, they here point.

SPEAKER_01 30:59

I'm not here, Pharaoh, so you know, and I have no filter, but you're right. I do I feel like it's uh it's a fun. They're looking for something or they're trying to uh retain something or even try to use to their awareness. But I truly feel like no matter what goes on, it's gonna back. I feel like you know, people say how high so they're just speeding up well, you know, that pendulum speeds up too. So it doesn't take long for the smack you out back in. So, you know, I really feel like whatever Shana wear, it's just one of that bottle either. Because that's where we're at.

SPEAKER_00 31:34

Amanda, um, what is one of the most fun parts of Mall World and these places you visit?

SPEAKER_01 31:42

Oh, I like the beach house. I go to the beach house with the big tsunami coming on the waves. I hang out with those people a lot. That's one of my favorite hotspots. Uh, I do like the arcade. I like to get in this one game where the quarters are next to you. It's kind of like an old school sit-down game. I don't even really remember. I don't think I'm driving. I'm not even remembering, I was like a sit-in one. But I like the arcade. I like the mall um the beach house. And I guess I would say like I do like to hang out like sometimes with dirt road by this like shack, but it's just a friend. Uh, you know, and to be honest, part of my subconscious thing is I do kind of go run around with people in the bars trying to get a drink, you know, but I don't really like think that much of any if they used to be, but I still have it subconsciously. And there's this rage, right? And a guy is in the rage sometimes in a gamer chair, which I'm drawing this out now better too. And like I feel like he's heard the rage, but I'm always going to him, like, hey, you know, like to get it full or something. I'm like, this is so new 20 years ago. Like but uh subconsciously, I I feel like that's me subconsciously. I feel like it's more subconscious, you know what I mean? But a lot of people have similar shared experiences, but I think some of those are kind of more subconscious, like what I'm doing, what I'm looking for, what I'm feeling, like what I'm exploring. Um, but I really honestly I missed some parts of it. I like doing a few parts. I didn't even know anybody else was doing dreaming in the same places or anything. For me, it was my own little thing and um but you know I never feel like stopping people to being careful with it, but if I if I really if I was still dreaming of it and hearing about everybody else dreaming of it, that might cause the complex with me on it. Like if if I had heard about anyone else dreaming of it and these stories coming out now that it's like an actual dungeon or prison or something that nature, that might have that probably would have caused a conflict for me. Like that could have manifested in my dream.

SPEAKER_00 33:40

Um, what is the most valuable valuable experience or what is something valuable that one of the the places you've been drawing since we last talked?

SPEAKER_01 33:54

You know, as far as it's valuable, I'm not really sure because it's I always look at it as dreaming, and I think I found a lot of comfort in the fact that I knew what to expect when I when I could have better control of going back there or when I was mostly dreaming. I think it was the comfort of that kind of like knowing what to expect and like that kind of like control aspect of not like wanting to be surprised. I would say that was probably my biggest fall here, to be honest, because I I um like I do sort of change and not knowing what's coming, you know, like something I'm working on, like letting the mystery happen. But I would say for me personally, my biggest comfort was that I knew what to expect.

SPEAKER_00 34:35

Um, do you do any practices or preparation before Mall World or Lucid Dreaming?

SPEAKER_01 34:42

Not really, to be honest. Um, because I didn't even really like think I I don't always think about these things when I do them, but I just know that like if I got up, if I woke up in the middle of it, I I have like a window of maybe like half an hour and an hour at the top of like how a drink, I would I go to the restroom and lay back down and try to get back to sleep if I think about it and I date like I could day and like go back to it instead, right? Um 80% of time. But like I would have I know I had this window of how long I was awake for me, how long I was waiting, how long if I can get back to it. Like if I was awake too long, it's harder to get back to it. Versus like if I was only gonna wait for a little while, then I can go right back to it. If I'm gonna wait for 10 minutes, I can go right back to where I was.

SPEAKER_00 35:29

Okay, yeah, that sounds um essentially similar to how Wild works a technique I learned or heard of years ago. Um waking induced piston dreaming, where you wake up in the middle of your sleep cycle at night and walk around for like I don't know, 30 minutes or an hour or so, and then go back to sleep. Um, because your brain still has metal ton going on in it, and um sleep chemicals naturally, DMT. So it's like you become lucid, literally awake in the middle of the night, so that then you can kind of focus on what you're doing, focus on doing something, and then go back to sleep, induce a type of lucid dreaming.

SPEAKER_01 36:20

That's the thing, like I I'm starting to realize more lately that I'm not as different as I tell myself from other people because I like to tell myself I'm different, I guess, or I probably tell my different end, but uh you know, I've been watching other videos like where uh people are like doing qi, like um qi, like that synchro decision like qi, and like we talk about certain things like psychic detection and psychic fields, and I saw this one like the the this cone light shield that you can put over yourself, and I'm like, other people do it too. Like I thought that was in my imagination too. I sometimes I feel like these things I do are in my imagination. Then I hear everyone saying like they they're doing the same thing too, my imagination. So I'm like, holy cat, but they do what I'm doing, like it's similar, like I never knew that. Like, so that's kind of what I'm like, you know, because I'm being more open about it and telling myself I've like talking about it, which is hasn't always been easy for me to talk about this kind of stuff. Um, but I'm glad I am now because I'm starting to learn, like, it's always just been in my head when I'm like, you don't fit in, you're different here. And I'm I'm really it's it's just kind of nice to have that community in a sense for me, you know? Because I uh it's just nice sometimes, you know, like you're not alone and like other series stuff too. So like, yeah, it's it's actually nice. That's something I can be grateful for a lot.

SPEAKER_00 37:38

Yeah, um, that light shield is pretty easy. You're about um someone might have to practice it um to really get good at it, but yeah, casting a a shield of light around you, especially I've learned um based on something from another psychic friend to not only cast a shield of light around you in your aura, but um practice making walls, thick, thick, layered walls of light. Yeah, around your whole aura, yeah, and a a huge either box or sphere around your whole home. Um that will keep all the all the darkies out, the the troublemakers and uh crystallize it, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 38:24

I also like crystallize it around my brain, too.

SPEAKER_00 38:27

Yeah, then um then when you do that with um high frequency colored light and layers of the structured light, crystallized it, then um only angels, fairies, and uh positive ancestors and um positive spirit guides will be able to get near you. Yeah, that's an effective technique. Um someone else on my TikTok commented asking to learn more about it was spiritual protection, maybe also grounding, but yeah, that's an effective technique to just practice.

SPEAKER_01 39:02

I honestly thought lives would be my own like imagination and how I'm speaking it, but uh I was wrong. I'm done wrong. Not the first time I did last time, but yeah, and it's kind of cool.

SPEAKER_00 39:15

So we can um this is pretty actually easy when you start to practice it. This is something, an ability that every single human does or can do because we have a soul and we're made of light. But Amanda, have you found that you also cast or project light in your dreams? And have you noticed that effect on dream characters or how it affects them?

SPEAKER_01 39:38

In my dreams or in my practices. Like in my dreams, no, I can't say that I've actually like done that. You know what I mean? Um, there are things in my practices where I like when I go into the deeper meditation that I do, I do do some kind of energy work, you know, um in a sense. But uh, like as far as my dreams, no, I don't really think that I put a lot of time and and thought into my dreams as much as like, you know, in hindsight. I kind of wish I would have explored them differently, you know, I could have learned a lot more. But I mean, at the same time, you know, I'm learning a lot more now too. So but yeah, I don't not in my dream. I wouldn't not that I can think of it.

SPEAKER_00 40:24

Okay. Yeah, one um interesting experience I've had multiple times in dreams in the past is especially when I was learning Reiki at first and learning to master that and apply Reiki, is there'd be times I'd be interacting with people in my dreams, but then I would find myself just projecting Reiki energy out of my hands at them. I think I had agreed to give them a healing or something. Um, but then they freeze just like a robot or a stone because they're just uh an unintelligent NPC. And so that's uh you know, pretty much, yeah, pretty much. Yeah, something similar to that.

SPEAKER_01 41:15

That's something I would say differently in my dream medication.

SPEAKER_00 41:19

Yeah. And so I think that's an effect that happens because a lot of dream characters are not actually spirits or consciousness, they're just like a a data projection or a reflection of your subconscious in the dream. And so they kind of just like sometimes behave and say things and act that that are literally a reflection or something that your subconscious is telling you, but they're not actually light, they're not living divine light. So when you project that into them, then it just sort of illuminates everything that they are and they they freeze, they don't actually have light to to reciprocate.

SPEAKER_01 42:06

That's that's a little bit different, I think, from what I when I I when I'm thinking, like because I get a deep meditation where I'll I'll I'll picture like an ocean and like people I know kind of in that ocean freeze up too. But I do like the whole pronoun pronoun thing where I'm just like, you know, um, please forgive me, I sorry, I love you and things feel like you know what I mean, like trying to do that kind of stuff in in that sense, or I'm just trying to I guess just make peace and relief and you know what I mean and go to the change that you can say. Because that's how I understand it, but as far as the dreams are like that, I I I can't really say that I've interacted with too many people in the stream. I mean the most I've interacted with people is like passing by the most people, or like, you know, at the tap of team sometimes with the one thing that you're gonna be seeing if they don't, uh or like again, then not even there anymore, or like um other places. You know, uh the small it's it does seem like NPCs all her video games. Like how they have like these set lines, you know, and so but I don't I don't know, but I I the thing is I I can believe it because you know I don't know that like really possible or healthy for one person and this experience to have all these knowledge and abilities. Like it's a lot of stuff to know, remember, complex, and quantum physics is the right now, let's be honest. So like I feel like it's good that a lot of people are kind of like waking up and they're all in these different dynamics like we see, uh spiritual, all these different spiritual paths, because I feel like that is efficient when it comes to like to future generations. Because we leave this world with the kids. So there's really plenty of people that can offer these teachers and different things to different kids who are seeking out and interactively are comfortable. And I think it's just for me, right? Basis. So that's how I feel. I feel like, you know, that's why it's true that we work together and have compassionate empathy and realize that you all go through life on a level, you know, and when you go through something, it's going through it. So you have to understand the compassionate at the same time, like don't like these invisible lines that you don't understand getting a left. Everybody doesn't have to be sometimes a different perspective is the problem with that things about. So I feel like an open mind is good, you know, at the same time.

SPEAKER_00 44:32

Yeah, I agree. Yeah, there's one other quote I wanted to share. I think it was Buddha, but um, Buddhism says to meditate for 20 minutes a day, or if you can't stop thinking, if you find it difficult, then meditate for an hour. And that's so important for everyone these days with in living in such a busy, demanding corporate and capitalistic world. Um, but also if you know yourself as a divine masculine type, um, I know that I've been there and I I still have to do this, everyone does, but um, keep a practice of daily meditation, and that um helps you return to the frequency of your soul when you reach that clarity, that transcendent state in meditation.

SPEAKER_02 45:25

Instead of hyper meditation? Is it a hypo meditation?

SPEAKER_00 45:31

Yeah, I I practice transcendental meditation, but um there are other types of meditation that transcendental meditation is just a technique, it's it's an effective one, it's a mantra meditation. But yeah, it's there are many ways to access the the divine um tranquil state of the soul. So it's by returning to that every day that then you will have an easier time living aligned with your soul, with peace and truth, instead of living on the the rippled surface of the mind that gets so easily distracted by the outside world and the the unaligned capitalistic society that so many people live in. So that's what I wanted to put in. I'm sorry, what was that? Could you put that?

SPEAKER_01 46:32

Like I'm curious like what what every like what people do in meditation? Because I I I don't I go on adventures. You know, I have like this meditation I feel like I have a meditation that like when I'm cleaning how to do inventions, I put my headphones on to my good jam music. I feel like I'm in a meditative state in the air in that like a letter sense. But I also have like different levels and I I but what I think is a a deep meditation, I I wouldn't do it like half hours an hour, but like I I go on adventures. I don't know what everybody else is doing, but I I go like on adventures, like you know what I mean? Like I I I I don't know how to explain it, but like I I I travel. I think I'm traveling. Like I don't know if everybody else is traveling, I don't know what they're doing, but I'm traveling.

SPEAKER_00 47:18

Yeah, I totally understand that. I I do that too. But like TM has specific teachings that it's ideal not to or I was told it's ideal not to necessarily um like go on shamanic journeys or travel far when you're in TM, just let it be a calm and peaceful experience. But yeah, I do that too. Um even in TM though, I've I've always found that my my soul and spirit wants to like go places or have an experience. Um lately though, after um after yeah, after the the angels taught me the God's full embodiment course, um my meditation has been different. It it really is more like a a huge, magnificent, expansive quality to it. Yeah, and then there's um always a feeling that when I start doing the meditation or get into the the meditation deeper, I'm aware of just being surrounded by angels, love and consciousness, abundance, uh, prosperity. And so the lesson for me has been to practice meditation more often daily, so that I can then ease my mind, that the mind is the the part that perceives separation and lack. Whereas really the truth is if we just bypass that, then it's like a complete just knowing this and allowing abundance and the outcomes that have been created and prepared in the 5D and reality and around us to just quickly snap into and enter our lives because they're waiting for us.

SPEAKER_01 49:24

If you're meditating and if you can get to this window of consciousness, and it's like between like daydreaming mind and round sleep, like there's a little window in between that. If you can get there, if you spin it for a minute, it it really feels like time is flowing down. Or it's yeah, this one sounds like like more pronounced and guttural, like in slow motion. And it's like I'm somewhere between reality breaking down, but I'm still on my rhythm or laying down and beat because I lay down for deep meditation, transparent patients because it helps like I have a surface, so like what I agree with. So it helps it on laying down for me and having water next to me because I get dehydrated. But uh yeah, so like I that's hard to sustain for me though, to be honest. I've had trouble with it because of the sad. Like sometimes you're like people choking, and I'm like, I need choke out of it. So that's that's kind of hard to sustain. But I hear it after that, like you actually see reality break down. You know, that should if I get there, that should be air after. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 50:27

And that is true.

SPEAKER_00 50:29

And so this this has um been an application for me, sort of a factor in my, I guess you could call it more world experience and journey with the the city intersection I described. Um, hopefully we can get a drawing of what that looks like from you, Amanda. Or I could even try to sketch part of it and we can refine a drawing. But so I I visited it twice, this intersection where I basically I'm driving in a car or my car, and I end up driving it, it feels like kind of fast, and I just don't stop, even though there's intersection. I think there's a red light, but I just speed through it. But then um this twice in the stream. Um I like this doesn't happen in our our physicological world, but um there was just this big section of these wide, basically freeway-sized roads or this intersection of the city that that was then being closed and basically uh retrofitted into a temporary um airport runway. Um but then in the intersection dreams my car just speeds through that, even though legally I'm not supposed to, and basically across this airport runway. But um either once or twice in this this intersection, my car just narrowly misses being crushed by this big airplane coming down under the new runway. Um, and then I think goes over or through these barricades. And um in the second one, I remember I I think either I had hit a motorcyclist and killed them, or I'd become that. And at the dream it like ended with a third-person view of me viewing myself basically dead as uh um an anime motor bike character laying on the ground and cops and ambulances gathering around me. So uh yeah, my analysis of of that intersection, what that would mean, according to my understandings of dream symbolism, is just that quality that I think comes from the divine masculine wanting to create and create and create and just constantly be working and even late at night constantly be wanting to to do another project to get a little more work done. Um thinking that it's not enough that I've that I haven't done enough already. But it's that kind of pushing, just constantly wanting to go without stopping that I believe that there's intersection dreams in this it was exactly the same but very tangible intersection um in this city world. To me, that's what that would represent. And after I started meditating every day more consistently and slowing down my intentionally, taking moments to pause, um that is when those intersection dreams stopped and my dreams changed.

SPEAKER_01 53:56

So that's my analysis of what it makes sense because there are chaotic streets, like people are trying to get away from something. You know what I mean? Like if there's an act or exact or whatever, people are scrambling, and there are barricades, and there are times like if you're in the street, but you do have barricades and you see people scrambling to get out of chaotic. That is uh there's a lot of streets to be honest. Like I've gone through so many that I can't say that I ought I honestly remember them all because I only want to say the ones I think it's a lot, but it's a good place. I think of all of any particularity or whatever it is you're exploring, I I I will say that like you don't want to try to like overanalyze it or align it your physical experiences because they can fit in certain areas because you will go back. I'm telling you, like it's better to like not try to overanalyze it or make it fit. Sometimes you have to fit back that I have one piece of the puzzle and then eventually another piece might come out. You know what I mean? But like if you try to overanalyze or push it, uh you know, you can drive yourself crazy, you know. Um sometimes you have to like be careful of that in in my experience because uh you can't always overanalyze yourself because you know, um it's like a lot of times people are like, oh, if you're psyched, you should have all the answers. But there are things that cannot be explained and have to be experienced. Because there are just things that you can experience people within, whether it's in you know, your your physical process of science consciousness or psychic ability or whatever the messing of going on within yourself, some of these things are hard to find in your thing. Like it doesn't really compare and experience yourself. So in my opinion, like you can look for these psychic and things like that, but there are certain if you're looking for these like secret divine technology, like some of it has to be experienced to be understood a lot, you know what I mean? Sometimes you grow and you say, Oh, you understand flop birds that you didn't understand before. Like, oh, that makes no sense now, right? So, you know, I think it is complex and like you have to give yourself some grace here in these things. But it does sound very sad, it's like the model thing like the roads are usually barricading, blocked off. It don't make sense in uh after it's happened. I I I I've had actually still. I don't want a motorcycle person, but I've hit people. I'm not a good driver in real life either. But I do think like the subconscious, like I think okay, I'm scared. It's like I'm a cool I I don't think anything that's needed, it should take things to still, you know, like walls, park trays, things of that nature. There's all needs of stuff out of front of me. But anyway, like you know, not everybody can do it. But yeah, it's like uh I do think like it's a combination of like what's this scared model experience bring with, but also I do think our subconscious bleeds through it. Because I've heard other people talk about well, sometimes I make my old thing I've been hot, my own grandma's like I had my own childhood um and then to go back to Marworld. So I do think like our life experiences, whatever we're I guess the subconscious does believe through, and I think it's right in the thing, you know.

SPEAKER_00 57:07

Yeah. That that makes sense. Thank you for that analysis, that insight, Amanda.

SPEAKER_01 57:13

Oh, I don't know if it's right, so that's not the end through our dreams. But uh, yeah, I didn't even know I didn't even know if we could answer the more on dream work. That's pretty fast.

SPEAKER_00 57:29

Well, thank you for coming on and talking with us about Maul World, Amanda. This has been another lovely and um insightful clarification and conversation.

SPEAKER_01 57:40

I can't wait for the final one because I'm going to new and go for new drawings, right?

SPEAKER_00 57:47

Yeah, yeah, there's definitely more of Maul World and more of this astral and other related topics that we'll be talking about.