WEBVTT 00:02:36.960 --> 00:02:40.639 Blessed be God, Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. 00:02:46.400 --> 00:02:49.360 Together we say, All my God. 00:02:52.560 --> 00:02:53.680 All of the stars. 00:02:54.479 --> 00:02:56.560 And from the Spirit's heart. 00:05:00.240 --> 00:05:01.519 The Lord be with you. 00:05:01.680 --> 00:05:02.959 And also with you. 00:05:03.279 --> 00:05:04.480 Let us pray. 00:05:05.199 --> 00:05:10.480 O God, you declare your almighty power chiefly in showing mercy and pity. 00:05:10.959 --> 00:05:19.519 Grant us the fullness of your grace that we, running to obtain your promises, may become partakers of your heavenly treasure. 00:05:19.759 --> 00:05:25.120 Through Jesus Christ our Lord, who lives and reigns with you in the Holy Spirit, one God forever and ever. 00:05:26.240 --> 00:05:27.279 Please be seated. 00:05:27.360 --> 00:05:36.000 I now invite all of our children, fifth grade and under, to meet Father Mike in the back, to head off for godly play. 00:05:36.160 --> 00:05:38.160 If you are interested, it'll see for fun. 00:05:38.399 --> 00:05:39.600 Fifth grade and under. 00:05:42.000 --> 00:05:42.879 Thanks, Beck. 00:05:48.800 --> 00:05:50.720 A reading from Isaiah. 00:05:51.360 --> 00:05:57.279 Listen to me, all you that pursue righteousness, all you that seek the offer of life. 00:05:57.839 --> 00:06:02.560 Look to the rock from which you were here, and to the query from which you are God. 00:06:03.279 --> 00:06:08.879 Look to Abraham, your father, and to Sarah, I did labor for you all. 00:06:09.439 --> 00:06:11.519 He was just one when I called him. 00:06:11.920 --> 00:06:13.839 But I blessed him and made him mean. 00:06:17.839 --> 00:06:20.480 She has comforted all her waste places. 00:06:21.279 --> 00:06:26.800 She shall make her wilderness like Eden, her desert like the garden of the Creator of all. 00:06:27.519 --> 00:06:29.920 Joy and gladness will be found in her. 00:06:30.240 --> 00:06:32.480 Thanksgiving and the sound of sorrow. 00:06:33.279 --> 00:06:35.519 Sorrow and mourning will flee away. 00:06:36.560 --> 00:06:40.560 Listen to me, my people and my nation, and give me thee. 00:06:41.279 --> 00:06:46.319 Your teaching shall be to me shall go forth, and my justice shall right to the people. 00:06:49.439 --> 00:06:54.639 My deliverance is near, my salvation is coming forth, and my arm shall be governed to be. 00:07:00.480 --> 00:07:04.079 Lift up your eyes to the heavens, and the light to the earth will low. 00:07:14.879 --> 00:07:17.040 And my salvation will be forever. 00:07:42.959 --> 00:07:45.600 It is good to give thanks to the angel of God. 00:07:46.160 --> 00:07:48.959 To say praise to your angel of God. 00:07:50.079 --> 00:07:52.720 To declare your faithful love in the morning. 00:07:52.959 --> 00:07:55.439 And your hand. 00:07:56.079 --> 00:07:58.639 Upon the ten strings and the heart. 00:08:02.240 --> 00:08:06.480 You have made me glad, wellspring of life, by your work. 00:08:07.120 --> 00:08:08.720 And of the works of your hands. 00:08:10.959 --> 00:08:14.000 How greater your works, womb of creation. 00:08:14.319 --> 00:08:16.319 Your design is searching. 00:08:17.680 --> 00:08:21.519 A righteous woman or man flourishes like a palm tree. 00:08:21.759 --> 00:08:25.040 And grows like a cedar in the world. 00:08:25.279 --> 00:08:28.639 They are planted in the house of she who is holy. 00:08:32.320 --> 00:08:35.200 Still producing fruit in their elder years. 00:13:03.600 --> 00:13:09.279 A Samaritan woman came to draw water, and Jesus said to her, Give me a drink. 00:13:09.600 --> 00:13:13.039 Now his disciples had gone to the city to buy food. 00:13:13.279 --> 00:13:20.799 And the Samaritan woman said to him, How are you, a Judean, asking a drink of me, O woman of Samaria? 00:13:21.519 --> 00:13:25.759 Judeans do not share things in common with Samaritans. 00:13:26.320 --> 00:13:37.039 Jesus answered and said to her, If you knew the gift of God, and who is the one telling to you give me a drink, you would have asked him, and he would have given you living water. 00:13:37.360 --> 00:13:40.639 And the woman said to him, Sir, you have no bucket, and the well is deep. 00:13:40.720 --> 00:13:43.279 From where do you get that living water? 00:13:43.600 --> 00:13:53.200 Are you greater than our ancestor Jacob, the one who gave us the well, and with his daughters and his sons and his flock drank from it? 00:13:53.600 --> 00:14:02.559 And Jesus said to her, Everyone who drinks of this water will thirst again, but the one who drinks of the water that I will give will never thirst. 00:14:02.799 --> 00:14:09.360 The water that I will give will become in them a fount of water, springing up into eternal life. 00:14:09.600 --> 00:14:16.960 And the woman said to him, Sir, give me this water that I may never thirst, or keep coming here to draw water. 00:14:17.200 --> 00:14:21.519 And Jesus said to her, Well, go, call your husband and come back to this place. 00:14:22.080 --> 00:14:25.200 And the woman answered and said to him, I have no husband. 00:14:25.360 --> 00:14:28.879 And Jesus said to her, You said rightly, I have no husband. 00:14:29.200 --> 00:14:33.360 For five husbands have you had, and now the one you have is not your husband. 00:14:33.600 --> 00:14:38.240 But what you have said is true, the woman said to him, Sir, I see that you are a prophet. 00:14:38.480 --> 00:14:47.600 Our mothers and fathers worshiped on this mountain, yet you say in Jerusalem is where the place, where the mountain, where the place that we must worship. 00:14:47.759 --> 00:14:55.919 And Jesus said to her, Believe me, woman, the hour is coming when neither on this mountain nor in Jerusalem will you worship the sovereign God. 00:14:56.240 --> 00:15:01.840 You all worship what you do not know, but we worship what we know, for salvation is from the Judeans. 00:15:02.399 --> 00:15:09.039 But the hour is coming, and now is when the true worshipers will worship the sovereign God in spirit and truth. 00:15:09.440 --> 00:15:12.399 For these are the worshipers the sovereign God seeks. 00:15:12.960 --> 00:15:18.240 God is spirit, and those who worship God must worship in spirit and truth. 00:15:18.799 --> 00:15:23.919 The woman said to Jesus, I know that the Messiah is coming, the one who is called the Christ. 00:15:24.159 --> 00:15:27.120 And when he comes, he will proclaim all things to us. 00:15:27.360 --> 00:15:31.600 And Jesus said to her, I am the one who is speaking to you. 00:15:32.000 --> 00:15:33.039 This is the gospel. 00:15:34.879 --> 00:15:37.120 Praise you the Lord Christ. 00:15:55.440 --> 00:15:56.960 Good morning, friends. 00:15:57.919 --> 00:15:59.919 I had good news and I had bad news. 00:16:03.200 --> 00:16:07.039 So it was such a hit last time when I did my little song and dance about the kids. 00:16:07.840 --> 00:16:09.440 Like the little vaudeville guy. 00:16:09.519 --> 00:16:12.480 And so I thought, well, I'm going to find another song and dance for you. 00:16:12.559 --> 00:16:17.840 But alas, there is no song about John Ford, the Samaritan woman at the well, for me to sing. 00:16:18.159 --> 00:16:21.200 Evidently, like Peter, Paul, and Mary have a song about this out of school. 00:16:21.440 --> 00:16:22.399 So I'm going to look that up. 00:16:22.480 --> 00:16:24.320 I'm not sure what the dancing is going to be like. 00:16:24.480 --> 00:16:28.080 But I do have a story to tell you regarding this. 00:16:28.399 --> 00:16:29.759 And it's a pretty private story. 00:16:29.840 --> 00:16:39.840 I thought it might be a good time to share a little bit about my faith journey because it has directly to do with this story we have this morning. 00:16:40.159 --> 00:16:54.639 So, like most of you, I became aware at an early age that there seemed to be this lack, this lack that lived inside of me that felt like it needed to get filled. 00:16:54.720 --> 00:16:55.519 And I think it does. 00:16:55.600 --> 00:16:57.279 I think it needs to get filled. 00:16:57.919 --> 00:17:02.559 I didn't have a lot of great language in my family system about what that lack was. 00:17:02.720 --> 00:17:05.440 I just knew it was real and I saw it in other people. 00:17:05.680 --> 00:17:08.400 Like people seem to have this thing inside of them. 00:17:08.559 --> 00:17:17.599 And the common narrative, and the one that I got in particular, was that to fill that lack, you need achievement and you need accolades. 00:17:18.079 --> 00:17:28.079 And it doesn't hurt if you make yourself a lot of money and get yourself a lot of power, because then that will be impressive to people, and you'll get honor and maybe some celebrity, right? 00:17:28.240 --> 00:17:33.279 You get likes, so we didn't have those when I was a kid, but metaphorical likes in the community. 00:17:33.519 --> 00:17:39.039 And so I went down that narrative road, like so many of us, and dedicated my life to it. 00:17:39.119 --> 00:17:41.680 And I thought I was doing a pretty good job. 00:17:41.920 --> 00:17:45.039 You know, I was in the top business school in the country. 00:17:45.119 --> 00:17:50.559 I was in a specialized investment ranking program at the University of Texas with five undergraduates. 00:17:50.880 --> 00:17:56.160 I was on my way to New York to make my fortune and to fill that hole. 00:17:56.720 --> 00:17:59.599 Now, on the side, I really liked philosophy. 00:17:59.759 --> 00:18:00.400 I really did. 00:18:00.640 --> 00:18:05.200 I read a ton of philosophy and I read a lot about religion and religious traditions. 00:18:05.279 --> 00:18:11.759 It was like a little hobby of mine, mostly because I thought that the people who believed it were dumb. 00:18:12.000 --> 00:18:15.359 Like the classic opiate of the masses type of thing, right? 00:18:15.440 --> 00:18:22.000 Like, oh, you know, this is just all stories that we created to dumb ourselves from the fact that we're all going to die. 00:18:22.079 --> 00:18:23.759 You know, the classic things like that. 00:18:23.920 --> 00:18:25.119 There's nothing there. 00:18:25.279 --> 00:18:26.960 I'm past that, right? 00:18:27.119 --> 00:18:29.519 I realize it's money that we really need. 00:18:29.920 --> 00:18:41.839 Um, and so, you know, I would every now and then go out and I would love to debate people and, you know, reveal to them their stupidity, um, which uh I thought I was pretty good at. 00:18:42.079 --> 00:18:46.319 And um then I had this series of events happen to me. 00:18:47.039 --> 00:18:55.519 Um and I'm not going to go into all of them because that startup would be very long, but essentially I had a series of conversations, dialogues with folks. 00:18:55.599 --> 00:19:06.160 Um, and in one of them, like I just got this overwhelming experiential awareness that, whoa, I think I'm missing something. 00:19:07.599 --> 00:19:09.440 Like, I am missing something. 00:19:09.519 --> 00:19:23.039 Like, I experienced this genuine love and beauty in this conversation with a couple of people, and I walked away thinking, like, wow, they they have something that I don't. 00:19:23.359 --> 00:19:25.039 Um, and I didn't know what it was. 00:19:25.119 --> 00:19:27.359 Um, but it got me thinking and wondering. 00:19:27.519 --> 00:19:35.359 And then I started uh to head to class one day, and I'm walking up the little side alley that gets to the South Mall. 00:19:35.519 --> 00:19:36.799 Like anybody knows what this is. 00:19:36.880 --> 00:19:38.000 Some of you went to UT. 00:19:38.079 --> 00:19:53.119 So I'm on the South Mall and I'm going up the stairs to go to the tower, and uh there's some evangelicals handing out the pamphlets, the tracks, you know, uh, that normally I would like either take and fall up in front of them and throw on the ground because I was quite antagonistic. 00:19:53.279 --> 00:19:56.079 And uh, but this time I took it, and I'm like, oh well, let's see. 00:19:56.160 --> 00:20:06.000 And so I start reading it, and I'm reading this, and I'm walking up the stairs, and in big bull print, it's the story of the woman at the well in John chapter 4. 00:20:06.240 --> 00:20:13.359 And it says, if you drink from the well, right, that well, you will thirst again. 00:20:13.920 --> 00:20:21.599 But if you drink from the well I have to offer, it will well up inside, and it will become a spring unto eternal life. 00:20:22.000 --> 00:20:30.400 And I'm reading this, I'm in dialogue with this ancient scripture, and like it hits me so hard, I have to sit down. 00:20:30.720 --> 00:20:31.599 Like, I turn. 00:20:31.680 --> 00:20:36.720 And every now and then we'll go back to UT and like I walk by that spot because I still remember where I hit the ground. 00:20:37.119 --> 00:20:44.319 Like I fell to the ground, and I just sat there, like, wow, I think that's it. 00:20:44.640 --> 00:20:55.519 Like, no matter how much money I make, no matter how many weights I lift, no matter how many achievements I you know notch on my belt, like it seems like an insatiable hunger that will never be satisfied. 00:20:55.920 --> 00:20:58.799 And is it true that there's another way? 00:20:59.359 --> 00:21:01.039 Like, is this even possible? 00:21:01.119 --> 00:21:05.039 Uh, because ultimately all those things were about me trying to make myself worthy of love. 00:21:05.119 --> 00:21:05.920 Can I get an amen? 00:21:06.079 --> 00:21:06.720 Amen, right? 00:21:06.960 --> 00:21:08.640 I mean, the end of that, that's what I'm trying to do. 00:21:08.720 --> 00:21:09.680 I'm trying to fill that cup. 00:21:09.759 --> 00:21:13.279 So I thought, is it possible to just believe that? 00:21:13.680 --> 00:21:19.039 And so I sat there for about 10 minutes and just wondered, and uh, and that was a turning point in my life. 00:21:19.119 --> 00:21:21.599 That was where I that was a hinge moment, right? 00:21:21.920 --> 00:21:25.759 Uh unfortunately I chose to read the rest of the pamphlet. 00:21:27.039 --> 00:21:28.240 Thanks for that trouble. 00:21:29.440 --> 00:21:36.640 Because I quickly went into all the violence and the threat and the condemnation and the burning in hell, and that's when I like rumbled up doing on the side. 00:21:36.799 --> 00:21:39.200 But but I did still have that moment, right? 00:21:39.279 --> 00:21:42.400 And so I wondered, like, what was it? 00:21:42.640 --> 00:21:44.079 Like, what's the theme that's here? 00:21:44.240 --> 00:21:47.119 And I think um I want to explore that. 00:21:47.279 --> 00:21:48.400 That's what I want to explore. 00:21:48.799 --> 00:21:56.000 Um, so the story has had you know tens of thousands of pages that are expilled about it. 00:21:56.480 --> 00:21:56.799 Okay? 00:21:57.200 --> 00:21:59.680 So like there are so many interpretations. 00:22:00.319 --> 00:22:07.279 And so many thoughts on the story of Jesus' encounter with a woman at the well, the unnamed Samaritan woman. 00:22:08.000 --> 00:22:16.960 But what we know is that this interaction was, for lack of a better word, just like pregnant with tension. 00:22:17.519 --> 00:22:21.279 It was just full of incredible tension. 00:22:21.440 --> 00:22:25.519 Here you have this woman, who I don't think was the black widow, by the way. 00:22:25.599 --> 00:22:30.000 Like I don't think she's just recycling through husbands to get their wealth, right? 00:22:30.160 --> 00:22:31.359 She's not this horrible person. 00:22:31.519 --> 00:22:34.319 I think probably she was unable to have children. 00:22:34.480 --> 00:22:41.920 And so she's being ostracized by the community because they're saying, well, you or your parents must have done something horrible to deserve this. 00:22:42.400 --> 00:22:46.400 So she's having to come by herself, right, to get the water. 00:22:46.559 --> 00:22:54.559 And so she's there and she has an interaction with a man who is not a Samaritan, which is not supposed to happen. 00:22:54.640 --> 00:22:55.920 They make it clear. 00:22:56.160 --> 00:23:06.000 It is hard for me to overestimate how contentious this Samaritan-Judean relationship was. 00:23:06.880 --> 00:23:08.960 Very, very contentious. 00:23:09.039 --> 00:23:11.200 I mean, it made it into the sprint. 00:23:11.519 --> 00:23:17.440 When something makes it into the story, it's not because they had a ton of ink and paper. 00:23:18.000 --> 00:23:21.279 They weren't like, well, we got more ink, let's just write more stuff. 00:23:22.880 --> 00:23:25.839 It makes it into the story because it's critical. 00:23:26.079 --> 00:23:32.079 And so they point out Samaritans and Judeans do not interact. 00:23:33.519 --> 00:23:37.759 And in the story, Jesus intentionally goes to Samaria. 00:23:38.079 --> 00:23:40.480 He could have gone around like everybody else. 00:23:40.799 --> 00:23:42.880 He intentionally goes there. 00:23:43.039 --> 00:23:47.920 And he, a man, has an interaction with a woman at a well. 00:23:48.160 --> 00:23:53.200 And when men and women get at wells, like new things get burst, right? 00:23:53.599 --> 00:24:01.680 And so he comes to this place and he's talking to her, and there is a transformation that happens. 00:24:02.720 --> 00:24:14.079 So much so that she leaves and goes and tells her community, I want to tell you about this person that saw me for who I am. 00:24:14.240 --> 00:24:16.559 Now, Mike pointed that out this morning. 00:24:16.799 --> 00:24:22.960 I want to tell you about this person that saw me for who I am, and I experienced love. 00:24:24.400 --> 00:24:27.680 And this is the one, this is the Messiah for the Samaritans. 00:24:27.759 --> 00:24:30.640 The Messiah was the one who was going to restore truth and worship. 00:24:31.039 --> 00:24:33.599 It wasn't the military one that the Judeans had. 00:24:33.839 --> 00:24:42.960 The person that spoke truth and saw me for who I am and loved me and met my needs, filled that gap, as it were. 00:24:43.279 --> 00:24:48.319 And then those people come and they dialogue with Jesus. 00:24:49.680 --> 00:24:52.799 And then Jesus stays in Samaria for two more days. 00:24:52.960 --> 00:24:54.880 And then he heads off home. 00:24:55.519 --> 00:24:56.720 So that's the story. 00:24:56.799 --> 00:25:09.599 And so, like, I can't help but thinking how different this interaction is from so many interactions that I'm seeing happening in my own life and in other people's lives. 00:25:10.960 --> 00:25:16.240 Like, every part of me thinks that she was waiting for a debate. 00:25:17.359 --> 00:25:25.839 So what's interesting about the word debate is that it comes from the same word as battle or bat. 00:25:27.440 --> 00:25:30.799 It literally means to bludget somebody. 00:25:31.039 --> 00:25:36.720 And up until the 15th century, it meant physically bludget somebody. 00:25:37.680 --> 00:25:43.039 So for most of the word's history, if you debated somebody, you physically beat them up. 00:25:44.000 --> 00:25:45.359 And then you see a twist. 00:25:45.440 --> 00:25:48.720 So now a debate is just verbally beating each other up. 00:25:49.119 --> 00:25:51.039 Just verbally attacking each other. 00:25:51.200 --> 00:25:55.680 And so, how many of us, right, come into conversation? 00:25:56.079 --> 00:26:05.680 Pretty much, I think, like this woman at the well, who, right, has no power and authority, who is probably coming in her shame, and she's ready for a fight from this Jewish person. 00:26:05.759 --> 00:26:08.000 She's got to stand her holy ground. 00:26:08.160 --> 00:26:14.640 You say that your holy ground is over in Jerusalem, but we say the holy ground is here on Mount Gerizeth. 00:26:14.880 --> 00:26:21.119 That was really one of the things that was at the core of the differences between the two, where the holy ground in worship was. 00:26:23.279 --> 00:26:24.240 We say that. 00:26:24.880 --> 00:26:27.920 She was ready for a debate, for a battle. 00:26:28.079 --> 00:26:32.799 And what Jesus offered her was a dialogue. 00:26:34.240 --> 00:26:36.559 Do you know what the word dialogue means? 00:26:37.119 --> 00:26:41.200 It means to travel together through language or words. 00:26:41.680 --> 00:26:44.240 There's no battle, it's just a team. 00:26:45.200 --> 00:26:48.319 Daya across logos, words. 00:26:48.559 --> 00:26:59.680 We come together as a community and we travel across words on a journey together, hopefully arriving somewhere where we're more healed and participating more in love than when we started. 00:26:59.920 --> 00:27:03.279 Dialogue is very different from debate. 00:27:03.519 --> 00:27:19.119 And I will say that I think right now, because I'm, you know, I get a lot of intellectual stuff in conversation on my social media feeds, I will tell you that there is a ton of debate being masked as dialogue. 00:27:20.720 --> 00:27:30.640 And all it is is gotcha moments, and all it is is perfectly edited clips where people are coming together and waiting to make the other person look stupid. 00:27:30.960 --> 00:27:31.920 I got you. 00:27:33.920 --> 00:27:41.519 I see people coming together, standing their holy ground, ready for battle. 00:27:43.839 --> 00:27:48.319 I just don't think that's what that's the place transformation happens. 00:27:48.400 --> 00:27:49.680 It wasn't for me. 00:27:50.559 --> 00:27:56.319 So I wonder, like, what's the thing that's happening here that is different? 00:27:57.440 --> 00:28:00.160 And I think I think there's a few things. 00:28:00.480 --> 00:28:02.720 I think the first is like this vulnerability. 00:28:02.880 --> 00:28:05.519 Do you notice that Jesus was vulnerable first? 00:28:07.759 --> 00:28:16.319 I mean, he's literally by himself sitting in a well, and he asks for some water for a bucket. 00:28:16.559 --> 00:28:21.039 He says, I mean, water, y'all, is like the most essential thing that we need to live. 00:28:21.279 --> 00:28:22.079 Well, air. 00:28:25.359 --> 00:28:26.640 We don't know how thirsty he was. 00:28:26.720 --> 00:28:27.839 He could have been super parsed. 00:28:27.920 --> 00:28:28.880 We have no idea. 00:28:29.200 --> 00:28:32.720 But he has a vulnerable need, and he asks for that need to be met. 00:28:32.880 --> 00:28:35.039 He expresses that I have this need. 00:28:36.000 --> 00:28:44.240 And then you see uncovered a vulnerability that she opens up herself when he talks to her, when he sees her, and shares about herself and her life. 00:28:44.640 --> 00:28:49.759 There is a vulnerability that is inside this conversation. 00:28:50.559 --> 00:28:53.279 And then I notice that there was a curiosity. 00:28:54.000 --> 00:28:56.240 There was a genuine curiosity. 00:28:56.480 --> 00:28:59.440 Asking questions in the midst of confusion. 00:29:00.079 --> 00:29:03.039 See, right before this, Jesus is talking to Nicodemus, right? 00:29:03.119 --> 00:29:09.440 We get a story about Jesus and Nicodemus, and Nicodemus gets confused, and then the story ends. 00:29:09.839 --> 00:29:11.200 How can I be reborn again? 00:29:11.359 --> 00:29:13.200 Can I go back into my this doesn't make any sense? 00:29:13.279 --> 00:29:13.920 I'm out. 00:29:14.960 --> 00:29:15.519 Right? 00:29:15.839 --> 00:29:28.319 But there's like a curiosity here where this woman is seeking to understand more and to try to figure out what's there by asking questions, and there seems to be a posture of curiosity. 00:29:29.920 --> 00:29:34.079 And then this interesting thing happens that I call the moment of surprise. 00:29:35.759 --> 00:29:42.799 The moment of surprise that it's coupled with this expectation of change, right? 00:29:43.039 --> 00:29:47.920 So she's asking questions, and she says, Well, you say the Messiah, right? 00:29:48.079 --> 00:29:59.440 Like we know that the Messiah is going to come, and he says, I am, which is the first and only declaration in the Gospel of John where Jesus calls himself the Messiah. 00:29:59.680 --> 00:30:00.079 Right? 00:30:00.319 --> 00:30:02.799 The one for her that is revealing truth, right? 00:30:02.960 --> 00:30:04.480 The one that is restoring worship. 00:30:04.559 --> 00:30:06.960 That's why, you know, you'll worship in spirit and truth. 00:30:07.119 --> 00:30:13.759 The one that is helping invite her into the restoration of her life and the light and the lives of everybody and of all creation. 00:30:14.079 --> 00:30:19.519 But there's this moment of surprise that she accepted, that she allowed to happen. 00:30:19.599 --> 00:30:22.400 Because I think there was an expectation of change. 00:30:23.519 --> 00:30:26.000 I think, I think Jesus was changed. 00:30:26.240 --> 00:30:34.880 Like, there are smallers that believe for the Gospel of John, this is akin to Jesus' interaction with the Seraphimician women and the other gospels. 00:30:35.200 --> 00:30:36.880 Seraphonician women, right? 00:30:37.200 --> 00:30:42.480 About the scraps and the dogs and all of that where Jesus seems to have this movement. 00:30:43.680 --> 00:30:45.759 And I think Jesus was changed by that. 00:30:45.839 --> 00:30:48.720 And I think he went into the conversation expecting change. 00:30:48.880 --> 00:30:58.799 I think he went to Samaria expecting God to reveal God's self in a new way and for him to get more clarity on his call and the work he was supposed to be doing. 00:30:58.960 --> 00:31:03.359 I think both people were coming with vulnerability, with curiosity. 00:31:04.079 --> 00:31:07.680 And I think that's how transformation occurred. 00:31:10.880 --> 00:31:25.839 So I just wonder like how many of us right now are standing our holding ground, and God is inviting us to leave it to see the other as holding ground. 00:31:28.799 --> 00:31:40.799 What relationships and areas of our life are we just digging in and we've lost vulnerability, we've lost curiosity, we've lost expectation of change, we're unwilling to be surprised. 00:31:41.680 --> 00:31:50.000 We're just battling and debating because we want to win, and boy, does it feel good to win and be right. 00:31:51.279 --> 00:31:53.119 Debate is about winning. 00:31:54.079 --> 00:31:57.759 Dialogue is about transformation and journey together. 00:32:00.799 --> 00:32:04.240 So I think that we are called to be witness. 00:32:05.039 --> 00:32:08.480 We are called to tell our stories, we are called to witness. 00:32:09.359 --> 00:32:25.200 We are called to go out into the world and I think proclaim through our actions and our words that there's a different way of doing things, that there's a way that we can be together in a relationship that leads to health and healing and transformation and wholeness. 00:32:25.759 --> 00:32:43.359 There's a way for us to experience the well that builds up inside of us, the spring, that leads to eternal life, that does satiate in a way that all the money and the power and the accolades and the celebrity never will. 00:32:44.400 --> 00:33:00.640 But I think to do that, we have to be committed to dialogue, to traveling together through words, looking for transformation in ourselves, not looking to win and beat somebody else.