WEBVTT 00:00:00.320 --> 00:00:06.400 Well look, this is gonna be our last week of Ezekiel, so we've we've split it into two weeks. 00:00:06.559 --> 00:00:19.039 And whether we deal with this week or last week or any portion of the book, I want to check in with my typical open-ended awful question and see what Ezekiel is doing for you. 00:00:23.359 --> 00:00:26.559 Yeah, and the last part is giving hope. 00:00:29.199 --> 00:00:31.280 Would you say more about the hope that you see? 00:00:31.920 --> 00:00:32.399 I'm sorry. 00:00:32.640 --> 00:00:36.399 Would you say more about the hope you feel like this the second part is giving? 00:00:36.719 --> 00:00:49.840 Well, saying, you know, God is going to straighten things out, and Jerusalem will become great again. 00:00:52.000 --> 00:01:03.439 But in the first part he says, you know, things are not gonna be things are not gonna be well, but it's the first one that really says there is hope. 00:01:07.840 --> 00:01:10.400 He's not condemning all people. 00:01:11.840 --> 00:01:13.599 He's saying individually. 00:01:20.799 --> 00:01:23.359 Would you would you tell me what that means to you? 00:02:00.079 --> 00:02:01.359 It was a little easier. 00:02:02.079 --> 00:02:04.799 I like it. 00:03:19.280 --> 00:03:19.840 Thank you. 00:03:21.199 --> 00:03:24.800 I kind of fast forward to like nineteen forty-nine. 00:03:28.000 --> 00:03:28.960 Would you say more about that? 00:03:29.280 --> 00:03:46.000 Well, yes, I I think that uh when I read this, this this it feels like the the um, and I'm not saying it's unfounded, don't misunderstand me, but the justification for for the Jews, the uh I always say this wrong. 00:03:46.240 --> 00:03:47.840 Uh dispar the diamond. 00:03:49.520 --> 00:03:53.120 I'm gonna say it wrong times, Mike, until it finally stays. 00:03:53.439 --> 00:03:58.960 The diaspora um finally made it back to Israel for good. 00:04:00.000 --> 00:04:00.319 Okay. 00:04:02.719 --> 00:04:04.000 Somewhat, right? 00:04:04.159 --> 00:04:08.080 I mean I think there's more for good's a long time. 00:04:08.319 --> 00:04:19.600 But um, I mean the bottom line is is um they they're they have taken much of what I've read here and they have created much of what God said. 00:04:20.639 --> 00:04:24.240 Ezekiel says God said to create in Israel. 00:04:24.560 --> 00:04:26.399 At a tragic cost, right? 00:04:28.160 --> 00:04:34.720 And uh very safe to say there are many more Jewish people living outside of Israel than there are within. 00:04:35.199 --> 00:04:43.040 And those living within Israel, I'm gonna make a blanket statement, uh, largely agnostic or atheistic. 00:04:43.279 --> 00:04:43.360 Yeah. 00:04:43.600 --> 00:04:46.000 Well you can you can be that way and still see this. 00:04:46.560 --> 00:04:47.920 Of course, as a cultural promise. 00:04:48.160 --> 00:04:48.720 As a cultural problem. 00:04:50.000 --> 00:04:50.160 Yeah. 00:04:51.360 --> 00:04:56.959 I haven't had a very close Jewish and this is just a couple, but they take that position. 00:04:57.040 --> 00:05:10.000 It's it's a cultural, yeah, but it's it's not it's not any part of their life or practice or it's it's quite an interesting combination. 00:05:10.720 --> 00:05:12.240 I don't quite understand it. 00:05:14.639 --> 00:05:24.560 But I would tell you, I think most American Christians are actually similarly agnostic or atheistic in the middle of their Christian practices. 00:05:24.879 --> 00:05:28.800 Yeah, well, I I yeah, you're I think you're right about absolutely. 00:05:29.360 --> 00:05:30.560 It's changing now. 00:05:30.800 --> 00:05:31.920 I think that's changing. 00:05:32.240 --> 00:05:40.800 The evidence is that Sunday is no longer a sacrosanct day for you know sports schedules or work schedules. 00:05:40.959 --> 00:05:45.600 Uh it's no longer like you have to belong to a church in order to get a promotion. 00:05:45.839 --> 00:05:47.360 That was the case 50 years ago. 00:05:47.600 --> 00:05:48.240 Yes, right? 00:05:48.959 --> 00:05:52.160 Um so I think it's an interesting bit. 00:05:52.480 --> 00:05:53.360 Yeah, yeah, no. 00:05:53.519 --> 00:06:07.439 And I I remember as old as I am when you'd fill out work applications, if I'm not mistaken, sometimes there'd be questions uh there'd be a question about religion of your church, yeah, your church affiliation. 00:06:08.720 --> 00:06:09.600 Are they still there? 00:06:09.680 --> 00:06:10.079 I don't know. 00:06:10.639 --> 00:06:13.040 They can be, depending on the job, right? 00:06:13.360 --> 00:06:14.000 Absolutely. 00:06:14.160 --> 00:06:18.000 I mean hospitals ask you that too, so they can assign you the proper chaplain. 00:06:18.240 --> 00:06:19.600 Yes, yes, yes. 00:06:20.160 --> 00:06:22.959 I want to come back to what I was to what we're talking about. 00:06:23.120 --> 00:06:32.639 So current-day Israel, okay, uh the West Bank is is populated by Muslims in general. 00:06:33.040 --> 00:06:36.000 Muslims and Palestinian Orthodox Christians. 00:06:36.319 --> 00:06:36.639 Okay. 00:06:37.199 --> 00:06:44.480 The question where are they were they originally the also Judeans, or do they have a lot of people? 00:06:44.639 --> 00:06:46.160 Yeah, it's really great you said that. 00:06:46.480 --> 00:06:49.040 Judean, remember, is a geography. 00:06:49.120 --> 00:06:49.360 Right. 00:06:49.519 --> 00:06:54.240 And the word Jew in the Bible is actually very ambiguous. 00:06:54.560 --> 00:07:01.759 It might mean people who live in Judea, it might be religious Jews, as we usually map that. 00:07:01.839 --> 00:07:06.959 So there's a lot of ambiguity, whereas we usually approach it with a singularity. 00:07:07.120 --> 00:07:14.240 So I think actually to say all the people in Israel are Judeans would be very biblically appropriate. 00:07:14.399 --> 00:07:22.639 Because in that region you have religious Jews, you have cultural Jews, you have atheists, you have Christians. 00:07:22.800 --> 00:07:26.319 The Baha'i faith is centered there as well, right? 00:07:26.399 --> 00:07:36.399 So you've actually kind of got a lot of Baha'i is um a more of a recent innovation religion that has eight ways to heaven. 00:07:36.560 --> 00:07:37.920 Uh essentially. 00:07:38.240 --> 00:07:41.759 Is it founded on is it is it Christian founded or is it? 00:07:42.079 --> 00:07:42.639 No, no, no, no. 00:07:43.360 --> 00:07:44.000 It's nothing founded. 00:07:44.240 --> 00:07:46.319 Well, it includes everybody, really. 00:07:46.800 --> 00:08:03.600 So there's like the big five, there's you the the ways of faith are like Christian, Muslim, Buddhist, uh, Jewish, uh Hindu, uh Sikh, um, I forget the other one, and then other prophets is number eight. 00:08:03.680 --> 00:08:08.639 So it's very similar to the Unitarian Universalist approach, but there's many, many ways, right? 00:08:08.720 --> 00:08:12.000 But the they it's not a huge world religion, but it is there. 00:08:12.160 --> 00:08:17.199 It's headquartered in in in Haifa, uh right by Mount Carmel, actually. 00:08:17.680 --> 00:08:23.120 But the Palestinians, there may be a few, but in general not Jews. 00:08:23.920 --> 00:08:27.839 Oh, uh just yeah, very, very fair to say that. 00:08:27.920 --> 00:08:47.600 And what's really interesting too is you've got all different kinds of ethnicities there, too, because it's really easy to say, uh, hey, look, uh there's Jewish people and there's non-Jewish people, but most of us don't realize that there's a very strong division even in the nation of Israel, regardless of your religious preferences, as to your descent. 00:08:47.840 --> 00:08:56.720 So most of you know there's two major groups of Jews, the Ashkenazi and the Sephardim, right? 00:08:57.200 --> 00:09:03.279 And uh actually it's very socially advantageous in Israel to be Ashkenazi. 00:09:03.360 --> 00:09:08.080 Uh they look down on the Sephardic Jews as being scientist sort of well mumpkins. 00:09:08.320 --> 00:09:22.480 And um Is that is that because in general the Ashkenazis came from Eastern Europe and they came and they actually settled after 1949, more of them came from that area versus the Iberian around? 00:09:22.639 --> 00:09:23.919 Yeah, no, it goes the other way around. 00:09:24.000 --> 00:09:27.600 The Ashkenazi come from the west, the Sephardic come from the east. 00:09:27.919 --> 00:09:31.759 So well in the Sephardic view, are you saying which one is the preferable Sephardic? 00:09:31.919 --> 00:09:36.159 The Ashkenazi sort of have this higher status in its. 00:10:17.120 --> 00:10:25.039 So there's hymns and there's a sermon, and up here where we would put our tabernacle is the ark that holds the Torah, right? 00:10:25.279 --> 00:10:32.080 Well, if you go into the Sephardic synagogue, there's a platform here in the middle of the pews. 00:10:32.399 --> 00:10:34.559 They don't have that in the Ashkenazi. 00:10:35.440 --> 00:10:46.000 And uh there's somebody who gets up here called um, it's the I'm gonna say this wrong. 00:10:48.240 --> 00:10:51.759 I'm trying to remember if the bhima is the person of the platform. 00:10:51.840 --> 00:10:54.399 I I my brain used to work really well. 00:10:55.200 --> 00:10:56.559 It's still early. 00:10:57.360 --> 00:11:05.840 It's the bhima, the bimah is the platform, and this is man is the chazan who gets up and and chants. 00:11:06.559 --> 00:11:12.320 He's sort of like the, I don't want to say the cantor, but he'll chant most of the service. 00:11:12.399 --> 00:11:17.200 And when the Torah is read, they bring it up on the bhima, like we bring the gospel out to the middle of the people. 00:11:17.440 --> 00:11:18.799 Isn't that interesting to see? 00:11:19.279 --> 00:11:23.440 Um they get that from the church, maybe, or maybe we got it from them. 00:11:23.519 --> 00:11:39.600 I mean, we kind of like chicken cachitori here, but but even the the things are different, you know, and actually the Sephardic are more pronounced with the way that they do this while praying. 00:11:40.399 --> 00:11:42.960 And again, it's completely different descent. 00:11:43.039 --> 00:11:51.679 The Sephardic Jews could be more Slavic than um, you know, French, German, Spanish. 00:11:51.840 --> 00:11:56.399 And look, in Europe, there's anti-Slavism as well. 00:11:56.480 --> 00:12:00.639 You know, I mean, it's not like European history says we're all Europeans, that's great. 00:12:00.720 --> 00:12:02.960 There's lots of this discrimination going on. 00:12:03.039 --> 00:12:12.559 And and there actually is a pretty large Sephardic population in Israel, like 40% now, and it's growing because Sephardic Jews have more kids. 00:12:15.120 --> 00:12:16.240 Like Polish Catholics do. 00:12:16.480 --> 00:12:20.000 Are they Orthodox as well as all over the map? 00:12:20.159 --> 00:12:26.240 And again, it's funny there's different orthodoxies because the synagogues even look different. 00:12:26.399 --> 00:12:28.559 You and the clothes can be very different. 00:12:28.639 --> 00:12:35.200 We usually think, uh, like orthodox Jewish people, that's like big beards and black and black hats. 00:12:35.360 --> 00:12:41.600 That actually comes from the Polish nobility of the 1800s, so it's not like Jewish people always dressed like that. 00:12:41.919 --> 00:12:43.840 If that's Polish, then that would be Sephardic. 00:12:44.240 --> 00:12:47.360 It's a Sephardic influence over Ivan Oshkenazi, though. 00:12:47.440 --> 00:12:49.440 That the uniform sort of won the day. 00:12:49.600 --> 00:12:51.200 Uniforms are funny things, right? 00:12:51.360 --> 00:12:56.399 Like, you know, the neck tie came to us from Croatian military attire. 00:12:56.639 --> 00:12:59.279 It's not like people in France and Germany wore neckties. 00:12:59.600 --> 00:13:02.159 That came from the Croatian military. 00:13:02.320 --> 00:13:04.240 It's super strange, right? 00:13:04.480 --> 00:13:08.159 The Hungarian military people wore panther skins when they were officers. 00:13:08.399 --> 00:13:09.759 Thank God we don't do that. 00:13:10.000 --> 00:13:11.600 Not enough panthers on the planet. 00:13:11.679 --> 00:13:23.279 Okay, um, all that stuff is really bizarre, you know, and in it, and it we we often think, aha, the necktie is very old or it's British or it's whatever. 00:13:23.600 --> 00:13:25.039 And and we just don't know. 00:13:25.120 --> 00:13:28.320 And the same thing with Judaism today. 00:13:28.559 --> 00:13:36.000 What's interesting, you know, the diaspora has come back, but it's not like people are viewed with equality in Israel. 00:13:36.399 --> 00:13:41.440 There's just sort of like this, you know, again, Ashkenazi think of Sephardic. 00:13:41.759 --> 00:13:48.080 This is gonna sound awful when I say this, it's very presumptive of me, but they look down upon Sephardic Judaism. 00:13:48.480 --> 00:13:52.240 Ethnically, the way they practice, etc. 00:13:52.480 --> 00:13:56.960 So it's not like, yay, we're all back together and we're all happy. 00:13:57.120 --> 00:14:01.120 It's like, you bumpkins, we have to share this place with you. 00:14:01.279 --> 00:14:04.639 And hey, think about some of our own religious stereotyping. 00:14:04.879 --> 00:14:11.600 If you're pro if you're Protestant and you see a Mormon family with 12 kids, I mean Protestants have two, right? 00:14:11.759 --> 00:14:16.320 And here's a Catholic family with 14 children, it's like, why are you having so many kids? 00:14:16.480 --> 00:14:18.000 How about some birth control? 00:14:18.320 --> 00:14:20.799 And um same thing. 00:14:21.360 --> 00:14:23.519 Because they have a social welfare system, right? 00:14:23.679 --> 00:14:25.200 So are these people gaming the system? 00:14:25.279 --> 00:14:32.960 I mean, listen, this we're not unique in our ability to to be uh prejudicial, you know. 00:14:33.200 --> 00:14:42.000 So it's an interesting thing to think about whether or not the nation of Israel does indeed embody this unification that Ezekiel has in mind. 00:14:42.159 --> 00:14:42.639 Yes, sir. 00:14:43.039 --> 00:14:49.200 Well, if if he had that in mind, then the temple would have been rebuilt. 00:14:49.279 --> 00:14:51.039 But the temple has has not been rebuilt. 00:14:51.279 --> 00:14:53.279 But you see why the temple can't be rebuilt. 00:14:53.440 --> 00:14:54.960 Do you know why the temple can't be rebuilt? 00:14:55.279 --> 00:14:55.519 Today. 00:14:55.759 --> 00:14:55.919 Yeah. 00:14:56.159 --> 00:14:57.360 Well, there's a mosque up there. 00:14:57.679 --> 00:15:06.480 There's a mosque that happens to be honestly like one of the oldest and the most beautiful buildings in the entire world. 00:15:06.799 --> 00:15:10.720 Um and the temple can't be anywhere but there. 00:15:10.879 --> 00:15:12.320 It has to be there. 00:15:12.799 --> 00:15:19.360 During the um uh election campaign uh in Israel, B.B. 00:15:19.440 --> 00:15:23.919 Netanyahu said he proposed building a third temple up there. 00:15:24.159 --> 00:15:31.679 Yeah, it's you know, the reason that's crazy is rabbinic Judaism is not interested in sacrificing animals anymore. 00:15:31.840 --> 00:15:32.639 It's not. 00:15:32.960 --> 00:15:34.240 So that's like this play. 00:15:34.639 --> 00:15:39.200 So if you're wondering, hey, there's all this stuff in Judaism about sacrificing animals, what do they do? 00:15:39.360 --> 00:15:40.159 Not that. 00:15:40.559 --> 00:15:44.320 They believe that reading about it is as good as doing it. 00:15:44.960 --> 00:15:51.679 Because you can't do it when there's no temple, and if a messiah ever comes, the messiah brings a new temple from heaven. 00:15:51.840 --> 00:15:53.360 Most Jewish people accept this. 00:15:53.600 --> 00:15:58.559 Most Jewish people are not itching to rebuild some kind of temple. 00:15:58.960 --> 00:16:04.720 Um what's interesting though, I don't know if you it's kind of hard to catch this. 00:16:05.200 --> 00:16:12.320 The temple Ezekiel has in mind that he describes is massive, is gigantic. 00:16:12.559 --> 00:16:18.399 So just to give you an idea, Solomon's temple was like a city block, smaller. 00:16:18.879 --> 00:16:20.480 Smaller than a city block. 00:16:20.720 --> 00:16:24.559 Ezekiel's temple would have fit five football fields. 00:16:24.879 --> 00:16:30.639 Now Herod's temple, that one behind you, fit like three and a half football fields. 00:16:30.720 --> 00:16:32.399 So he's actually really, really big. 00:16:32.559 --> 00:16:37.919 And if you look at the picture, you'll see Ezekiel's temple looks a little different. 00:16:38.080 --> 00:16:41.279 There's actually would be three buildings in it. 00:16:41.679 --> 00:16:46.480 Um, if you didn't mind, I'll just I'll just sort of point to this diagram here. 00:16:49.679 --> 00:16:59.120 This is a scale replica of what Herod the Great built, uh, which was the eighth winder of the ancient world, truly. 00:16:59.360 --> 00:17:00.399 I'm not making that up. 00:17:02.159 --> 00:17:10.880 So you could fit three and a half football fields in there, and this is what was called the court of the Gentiles. 00:17:11.519 --> 00:17:14.000 Really, what it was is the Acropolis. 00:17:14.319 --> 00:17:19.119 And the Acropolis, as the name implies, is always the high city. 00:17:19.839 --> 00:17:25.119 As it was in Athens, there's a temple, but this is where all the shopping occurred. 00:17:25.599 --> 00:17:28.960 This was the model of the Americas, it was very big. 00:17:29.440 --> 00:17:37.759 Um Ezekiel had that, and by the way, Gentiles could go everywhere in here, but you had to be Jewish to live in that door. 00:17:38.000 --> 00:17:38.720 You see it? 00:17:39.279 --> 00:17:42.799 And if you went in there as a Gentile, you'd get killed. 00:17:42.880 --> 00:17:43.920 And that was accepted. 00:17:44.000 --> 00:17:45.599 Like you just did, that was profane. 00:17:45.680 --> 00:17:46.720 You couldn't do that. 00:17:46.960 --> 00:18:00.160 Um, women and men could go into this court, men could go into this court, priests only could go in there, and of course there's smaller rooms in there depending on the day of the year, right? 00:18:00.559 --> 00:18:12.559 Well, Ezekiel's got something like this in mind, a huge court of the Gentiles, so that everybody can be included. 00:18:12.960 --> 00:18:22.000 And this is where I would tell you, I think the nation of Israel, as it's being practiced, is completely off from this idea. 00:18:22.559 --> 00:18:26.079 The idea is to bring the nations in, not keep them out. 00:18:28.160 --> 00:18:34.799 Look, there's walls to protect the sanctity, but they're not being built around Bethlehem. 00:18:37.680 --> 00:18:39.519 I don't know if that makes sense. 00:18:41.359 --> 00:18:53.039 The walls are there actually to protect the Gentiles from doing something out of ignorance. 00:18:53.680 --> 00:19:01.039 They're not meant to make the Gentiles a second-class people, like the wall around Bethlehem does. 00:19:02.079 --> 00:19:05.440 Was this a Gentile? 00:19:06.799 --> 00:19:10.720 Did a Jew have to have a, I'll call it a Jewish succession? 00:19:11.680 --> 00:19:13.920 Or could a Gentile convert to Judaism? 00:19:14.319 --> 00:19:19.119 Gentiles can yeah, Gentiles absolutely could convert to Gentile to Judaism. 00:19:19.279 --> 00:19:22.960 Here's the easiest way to tell you the easiest way to tell if somebody's Jewish? 00:19:23.359 --> 00:19:24.720 You lift up their robe. 00:19:24.960 --> 00:19:27.200 Oh well, that's if they're a male. 00:19:28.240 --> 00:19:40.000 Well, okay, so I mean, what we what we don't realize is in general, since male are the free people property holders, religion is largely male. 00:19:40.160 --> 00:19:42.640 I mean, can consider Islam today. 00:19:42.799 --> 00:19:45.119 You see those pictures of people going to the mosques. 00:19:45.200 --> 00:19:48.160 There's no women in there, they're not allowed in the same room as men. 00:19:49.359 --> 00:19:54.960 Women are equal under Islamic rule, separate but equal. 00:19:56.240 --> 00:19:59.680 Well, that's the way it used to be in Jewish temples. 00:20:00.240 --> 00:20:03.119 That's the way it still is in some Christian denominations. 00:20:03.279 --> 00:20:07.440 And if you're Orthodox Jewish, you cannot sit with your husband in the synagogue. 00:20:07.519 --> 00:20:11.519 There's like a gallery when you might be able to peek at what the men do. 00:20:12.319 --> 00:20:15.119 You're all equal, it's just that you're separate. 00:20:15.680 --> 00:20:21.359 Now, this this goes against the grain of our American sensibilities, hopefully so, right? 00:20:21.519 --> 00:20:25.519 Because we know separate but equal is not equal. 00:20:25.759 --> 00:20:28.960 We we I mean we kind of accept that as Americans. 00:20:30.559 --> 00:20:34.319 What we don't accept is that women can be clergy. 00:20:35.759 --> 00:20:37.680 Because they're equal, they're just separate. 00:20:37.759 --> 00:20:39.839 I mean, anyway, it's funny how we do this, right? 00:20:39.920 --> 00:20:45.680 But but evangelicals, at least women can sit in church together, and at least women can teach Sunday school. 00:20:48.240 --> 00:20:51.599 Well, to boys, you can teach Sunday school to children. 00:20:51.839 --> 00:20:56.880 And we this is the way we use women up, actually, is we we say that's what they can do. 00:20:57.119 --> 00:20:58.000 Well, anyway. 00:20:59.279 --> 00:21:00.319 I'm saying too much. 00:21:00.480 --> 00:21:01.839 Look how I'm recording this. 00:21:02.000 --> 00:21:14.880 But I do want to say, John, I think I think there's really something interesting to question whether or not this nation of Israel is living into what Ezekiel has in mind. 00:21:15.119 --> 00:21:17.599 Uh and and and the other prophets too. 00:21:17.759 --> 00:21:19.599 And the other prophets too, and I would tell you no. 00:21:19.680 --> 00:21:32.559 Again, the the goal of of what you read here, I think, is to say, look, Jerusalem is like a city on the hill that invites people to God, not bars them away, invites. 00:21:33.039 --> 00:21:40.480 So think through, and look, I don't want to sound all political here, so I'm not, you know, I'm not as much of a fire brown as this as it sounds like. 00:21:40.640 --> 00:21:59.759 But when you wall off a whole group of people, and they don't have access to electricity or sanitation or voting rights or markets or education, and you say, Well, you know, we're just doing that so that we know who. 00:22:00.160 --> 00:22:01.759 Lives where, right? 00:22:03.519 --> 00:22:08.319 I don't think you can say in any way that that is living into this vision. 00:22:09.200 --> 00:22:11.759 Again, that's what the wall of Bethlehem does. 00:22:11.920 --> 00:22:17.680 And you can see it, you can physically see Bethlehem looks like Appalachia. 00:22:18.640 --> 00:22:20.880 Why don't those people throw their trash away? 00:22:20.960 --> 00:22:22.480 Because no one picks it up. 00:22:22.799 --> 00:22:26.960 The Israeli government controls sanitation and they don't drive trucks in there. 00:22:27.359 --> 00:22:34.240 Now, maybe those people, those people don't have the same standards. 00:22:34.559 --> 00:22:40.319 See, once we start using those people, I don't think we're living into this vision. 00:22:40.480 --> 00:22:42.079 Does that I hope this makes sense? 00:22:42.640 --> 00:22:43.599 Of course this makes sense. 00:22:43.759 --> 00:22:44.240 Absolutely. 00:22:44.799 --> 00:22:50.160 And I I I just wonder if you will, if you can go back where they came from. 00:22:50.319 --> 00:22:57.519 Were they Judeans who were who were converted, whether they wanted to or not, to um Islam? 00:22:58.880 --> 00:23:00.319 You're talking about our many, many years ago. 00:23:03.519 --> 00:23:08.000 I mean, you hear Palestinians who have been on the land for 300 years, but before that. 00:23:08.400 --> 00:23:09.839 In general, yes, right. 00:23:10.000 --> 00:23:14.319 I mean, so so um and in in general, yes. 00:23:14.720 --> 00:23:25.680 These are people who have lived in the land a long time, and you know, uh after the prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him, Islam spread really quickly, including to this area. 00:23:25.920 --> 00:23:29.359 Boy, the crusades made Christianity look really, really bad. 00:23:29.599 --> 00:23:32.240 Um but some Christian people stayed. 00:23:32.400 --> 00:23:38.720 I mean, there were, and interestingly, at the end of the crusade, Saladin didn't kill the Christians or make them leave. 00:23:39.039 --> 00:23:42.559 He just said, if you're gonna fight, then I'll fight you. 00:23:42.640 --> 00:23:44.240 But if you want to live in peace, you live here. 00:23:44.960 --> 00:23:47.680 He wasn't punitive, that's the interesting thing, right? 00:23:47.920 --> 00:23:54.000 So Christian and Jewish people resumed living in peace with Islam at the end of the crusades. 00:23:54.400 --> 00:23:58.559 So there's always been these little little pockets. 00:23:59.680 --> 00:24:07.680 When did when did the top when did the uh top of the of the mountain here in Jerusalem Jerusalem become a mosque? 00:24:08.319 --> 00:24:13.039 Oh, they built that mosque in um 670, something like that. 00:24:13.279 --> 00:24:19.039 But you've got to remember that the temple, that that temple you see was ruined in the year 70. 00:24:19.200 --> 00:24:21.599 There was nothing really there for 600 years. 00:24:22.400 --> 00:24:23.200 They're not gonna build the temple. 00:24:23.279 --> 00:24:24.720 Well, no, the walls there were gone too. 00:24:24.799 --> 00:24:27.359 The only thing left was one of the retaining walls. 00:24:27.599 --> 00:24:28.720 Oh, the whaling wall. 00:24:28.880 --> 00:24:30.720 The whaling wall is a retaining wall. 00:24:30.880 --> 00:24:33.039 Well, that's the only one that's left out of the four walls. 00:24:33.759 --> 00:24:36.720 Basically, yeah, you know, a lot of that's ruined. 00:24:36.799 --> 00:24:43.039 Now that temple platform uh seems to still be there, and that's where the Dome of the Rock is. 00:24:43.119 --> 00:24:49.839 And some people think the Dome of the Rock's built over the stone on which Avram went to sacrifice Yitzhak. 00:24:50.160 --> 00:24:51.920 That's called Mount Moriah. 00:24:52.319 --> 00:24:59.839 Some people think that the you know, Jewish folk don't really walk around up there because you if you walk on that spot, God'll kill you. 00:25:00.160 --> 00:25:04.480 So easy, and you don't know where it is, so you shouldn't go walk around up there. 00:25:04.720 --> 00:25:07.279 But we but that's where the temple was at one time. 00:25:07.599 --> 00:25:08.799 That's the belief, yeah. 00:25:08.960 --> 00:25:09.839 That's the belief. 00:25:11.599 --> 00:25:12.160 Interesting. 00:25:12.319 --> 00:25:13.359 I'm I'm sorry, guys. 00:25:13.680 --> 00:25:14.319 No, no, you're good. 00:25:14.480 --> 00:25:17.680 I mean, it's good history to know, and it's influences. 00:25:17.839 --> 00:25:20.559 Again, now Ezekiel's temple has never been built. 00:25:21.279 --> 00:25:21.440 Never. 00:25:22.160 --> 00:25:23.279 And it's not there. 00:25:23.440 --> 00:25:25.200 I mean, again, that is a big place. 00:25:25.359 --> 00:25:32.960 But again, please notice what you don't see in the dimensions that I'm trying to tell you is how much access there is for Gentiles. 00:25:33.440 --> 00:25:38.079 Solomon's temple had very little court of the Gentiles, like tiny. 00:25:38.240 --> 00:25:41.359 This is again football fields big. 00:25:42.000 --> 00:25:42.960 Yes, sir. 00:25:43.680 --> 00:25:51.440 After the Jews returned to Jerusalem and they rebuilt the second temple. 00:25:53.519 --> 00:26:03.680 Did any of Ezekiel's um foretelling uh of people coming together happen? 00:26:04.160 --> 00:26:17.279 Well, what's interesting, and this is where you can read Ezra Nehemiah, when the Jews come back, a group of the Jews, I mean keep in mind the people who lived there were also Jewish, they just weren't the best and brightest, so they got left. 00:26:18.720 --> 00:26:27.680 They've been running Judaism as far as they knew, and then come here come all these educated people telling them they're doing it all wrong and that they're second-class citizens and their own religion. 00:26:28.400 --> 00:26:30.240 Imagine that going over well. 00:26:30.559 --> 00:26:39.599 Then they come and say, if you've married somebody who's not one of our people, put them outside the walls along with any kids you've had with them. 00:26:40.640 --> 00:26:43.119 That's what Ezra and Nehemiah say. 00:26:43.519 --> 00:26:46.400 Because foreign people will corrupt your religion. 00:26:48.160 --> 00:26:52.319 So I think that's this beautiful vision of inclusion. 00:26:52.799 --> 00:26:56.559 Now, there's a developmental reason for this. 00:26:57.359 --> 00:27:02.960 When we have children, we worry a lot about their friends. 00:27:03.440 --> 00:27:11.200 Because we realize our friends, our kids' friends, can be very strong positive or negative influences. 00:27:11.359 --> 00:27:27.759 And when our children are not mature, we have this strong thought that I think is developmentally appropriate that hey, you know, if I don't want my kids exposed to drugs or pornography or theft, I don't want my kid around other kids who do those things. 00:27:28.000 --> 00:27:28.480 Right? 00:27:29.759 --> 00:27:37.920 Hopefully, there comes a point where we think our kids are mature enough to handle those everyday occurrences. 00:27:39.039 --> 00:27:40.240 Hopefully. 00:27:41.680 --> 00:27:42.960 But when is that? 00:27:43.200 --> 00:27:45.920 It's not in the first grade, right? 00:27:46.079 --> 00:27:52.640 I don't want my five-year-old going to school with other children who describe pornographic movies. 00:27:52.960 --> 00:27:55.200 That happened to my five-year-old. 00:27:56.319 --> 00:27:58.079 That's child abuse, by the way. 00:27:58.480 --> 00:28:02.400 But you can't do anything about that because you're not observing it. 00:28:02.720 --> 00:28:03.759 So what do we do? 00:28:03.920 --> 00:28:12.240 Well, we we try to, and I would tell you the number one reason we have private schools in the United States is so that we can pick our kids' friends. 00:28:12.720 --> 00:28:18.160 Anybody who tells you something different, I think, doesn't even know that's why they're putting their kids here. 00:28:21.279 --> 00:28:34.960 I have similar values with every parent here in the sense that I want my kids to be around virtue, and I value education enough to spend extra money and time on it. 00:28:35.039 --> 00:28:37.440 You know, I mean that's really what private schools do. 00:28:38.880 --> 00:28:45.680 And and in that sense, they're they're luxurious, but boy, farming your child is their birthright, it's no luxury. 00:28:45.839 --> 00:28:49.039 You know, I mean that's sort of an interesting thing to think about, right? 00:28:49.440 --> 00:28:56.400 Um so maybe developmentally, here's like who are we gonna be as Jewish people? 00:28:56.640 --> 00:29:01.200 Well, we can't have corrupting influences because we're not mature enough to figure it out. 00:29:02.880 --> 00:29:07.839 So I want to cast that positively, even though I think it's also like not good. 00:29:08.079 --> 00:29:13.759 Because what it leads to is this mentality of, hey, let's have self-imposed quarantines. 00:29:13.920 --> 00:29:21.119 So there's a difference between a ghetto, that's where you're forced to go, and a sanctuary, which you create. 00:29:26.160 --> 00:29:34.960 Is there any of the prophets that foretell the destruction of the second temple? 00:29:35.759 --> 00:29:38.240 No, because none of them were none of them were around. 00:29:38.319 --> 00:29:41.279 All the prophets happened before that thing even got built. 00:29:41.440 --> 00:29:41.680 Okay. 00:29:41.920 --> 00:29:42.720 All of them. 00:29:42.960 --> 00:29:46.240 And remember that prophets are not in general foretellers. 00:29:46.720 --> 00:29:49.599 What they say is here comes the natural consequences. 00:29:49.839 --> 00:29:56.000 And folks, you might think God is gonna protect this city and you don't have to do anything, and you need to know. 00:29:56.160 --> 00:29:58.480 Now, this is crazy theology, isn't it? 00:29:59.039 --> 00:30:02.640 The Babylonians are the rod of the Lord. 00:30:03.200 --> 00:30:06.720 Can you imagine saying the Nazis were the rod of the Lord? 00:30:07.039 --> 00:30:09.839 God should pick better rods, don't you think? 00:30:11.759 --> 00:30:16.559 I don't know that the prophets are claiming that's literally the truth. 00:30:16.960 --> 00:30:24.400 I think what they're trying to say, you know, if we focus on that too much, the injustice of it is impossible to swallow. 00:30:24.720 --> 00:30:32.559 I think what they're trying to say is since you think everything happens for a reason, these people have been sent by God. 00:30:35.039 --> 00:30:38.559 Again, you can say something without it having to literally be true. 00:30:39.039 --> 00:30:40.319 Does that make sense what I'm saying? 00:30:42.880 --> 00:30:49.599 In some ways, the Third Reich was exactly what Europe earned itself. 00:30:51.200 --> 00:30:52.880 I know that's terrible. 00:30:54.160 --> 00:31:02.880 But when you take a people and belittle them and take away their economy, of course they will want vengeance. 00:31:03.119 --> 00:31:05.440 And this is what we did after the Second World War, right? 00:31:05.519 --> 00:31:07.920 Is we tried not to be punitive. 00:31:08.000 --> 00:31:10.640 We did things like the Marshall Plan, right? 00:31:11.920 --> 00:31:17.599 Uh because we I and this is an interesting thing when we think about a war on terror, right? 00:31:17.839 --> 00:31:25.440 We'll kill all the terrorists through drones who show up in the sky and shoot missiles at families and kill those terrorists. 00:31:25.519 --> 00:31:27.440 Well, what is everybody else gonna think? 00:31:28.000 --> 00:31:31.519 They're gonna think the United States is a bunch of terrorists. 00:31:32.720 --> 00:31:36.720 Usually people don't submit to terror, usually they decide to get revenge. 00:31:37.119 --> 00:31:39.440 I mean, this is a hard thing. 00:31:39.759 --> 00:31:42.319 By the way, again, I I know I I'm sounding really political today. 00:31:42.400 --> 00:31:43.359 I don't mean to. 00:31:49.279 --> 00:32:14.160 Um I don't remember who it was that wrote that when a people are conquered and they are able to throw off their conquerors, and they conquer somebody else, they run their conquerors' behavior, and then they're redone on the people that they conquered. 00:32:14.319 --> 00:32:15.680 I mean, I think the same thing with children. 00:32:16.160 --> 00:32:19.119 I was gonna say you can dial that down to a family level, right? 00:32:19.279 --> 00:32:21.759 Most people who abuse children were abused as children. 00:32:22.480 --> 00:32:26.799 And in some ways they should know better, but they're doing what they were like imprinted on. 00:32:27.119 --> 00:32:39.359 Well, you know, whether you were abused or not, how many times have you said, I remember, you said something to a child or or to a friend, you said, your father said that, or my mother said that. 00:32:39.759 --> 00:32:43.599 Even though as a middle schooler, you said, I will never say that to my kids. 00:32:43.920 --> 00:32:44.240 Exactly. 00:32:44.400 --> 00:32:47.599 And then you have them, and well, it was good enough for me. 00:32:48.880 --> 00:32:51.200 Can I uh ask a question? 00:32:51.519 --> 00:33:13.440 So Ezekiel says that um when the Jews, when the the the uh yeah, Jews come back from Babylonia starts around 70 years after the fall of the uh of the uh David's lint line after uh Zedekiah. 00:33:13.680 --> 00:33:16.799 Yeah, probably more like 50 years instead of 70, but yeah, yeah. 00:33:17.200 --> 00:33:21.599 But so I I presume they don't all get together and come back at one time. 00:33:21.759 --> 00:33:24.400 People start coming back slowly. 00:33:25.039 --> 00:33:27.359 Yeah, there is an initial party. 00:33:27.599 --> 00:33:29.519 Ezra leads that party, right? 00:33:29.920 --> 00:33:36.880 Cyrus sends them back with some money to rebuild the temple, so the biggest group comes in in sort of a colony. 00:33:37.279 --> 00:33:48.480 Well, what I was reading, not here but in another book, was that the Jews, many of the Jews that went to Babylonia to Babylon or Babylonia, did quite well there. 00:33:48.640 --> 00:33:49.119 Oh yeah. 00:33:49.519 --> 00:33:54.000 And some of them did very well there money-wise. 00:33:54.240 --> 00:33:54.400 Yeah. 00:33:54.799 --> 00:33:58.160 So I mean, if these these maybe someone said, I'm staying here because I'm doing pretty well. 00:33:58.559 --> 00:33:59.519 Plenty of them did that. 00:33:59.759 --> 00:34:02.000 Or I'm those that came back. 00:34:02.160 --> 00:34:05.920 Um how long was it before they started building the second temple? 00:34:06.240 --> 00:34:10.480 Uh well, if you read Ezra and Nehemiah, they they got on it pretty fast. 00:34:10.559 --> 00:34:12.880 It just they stalled down and took them a long time. 00:34:13.119 --> 00:34:13.440 Oh. 00:34:13.679 --> 00:34:14.000 Yeah. 00:34:14.480 --> 00:34:27.519 Now it does say in here that uh God, the true shepherd, will still need a servant leader, um, and it will be my servant David. 00:34:28.079 --> 00:34:46.880 Does that mean that David's lineage will somehow be um uh brought back and become, if not king, at least the servant of God and maybe the head um rabbi? 00:34:47.280 --> 00:34:52.400 I think it depends how you view it, and it and there's all kinds of different thoughts about this, right? 00:34:52.719 --> 00:35:05.519 Um you know, there's one way in which you sort of see the gospel writers tracing Jesus as like Davidic lineage, but you know he wasn't related to David at all. 00:35:06.079 --> 00:35:09.440 Joseph is related to David, but Joseph's not his dad. 00:35:10.559 --> 00:35:12.960 And there's no genealogy for Mary. 00:35:14.000 --> 00:35:17.039 So I think it's pretty safe to assume Mary's not related. 00:35:17.840 --> 00:35:24.800 So I think like what the gospel writers have decided is that this is meant to be taken figuratively. 00:35:26.159 --> 00:35:27.119 David like. 00:35:28.159 --> 00:35:29.360 Yeah, and what is David like? 00:35:29.679 --> 00:35:37.119 I mean, David means beloved, and he's this person who brought a bunch of different tribes together with a common purpose. 00:35:37.760 --> 00:35:43.119 He ushered in like the Hebrew Golden Age, which lasted like 40 years. 00:35:43.519 --> 00:35:44.239 40 years? 00:35:44.480 --> 00:35:44.800 Ish. 00:35:45.199 --> 00:35:45.760 Wow, really? 00:35:46.000 --> 00:35:46.559 Not very long. 00:35:46.800 --> 00:35:47.920 I was gonna say no. 00:35:48.239 --> 00:35:56.000 But you gotta remember, and this is the other thing you said about going to Babylon, Babylon and Persia is like New York City. 00:35:56.559 --> 00:36:00.480