WEBVTT 00:00:00.160 --> 00:00:02.720 Okay, comparable question like I always start with. 00:00:03.520 --> 00:00:06.559 What does what what did this do for you this week? 00:00:10.480 --> 00:00:11.919 Scared two years off my life. 00:00:12.240 --> 00:00:13.439 Did it really better be? 00:00:13.759 --> 00:00:14.080 It really did. 00:00:16.480 --> 00:00:26.480 Well, I read the first couple of books of the Left Pine series and that spared two years off my life until I realized it probably wasn't accurate in terms of actual history. 00:00:26.879 --> 00:00:28.480 Best selling fiction series ever. 00:00:28.640 --> 00:00:28.879 Uh-huh. 00:00:29.039 --> 00:00:32.159 Tamila Hayes' contribution, he wrote it on a cocktail napkin. 00:00:32.479 --> 00:00:33.119 Who said that? 00:00:33.200 --> 00:00:33.920 I can't believe it. 00:00:34.079 --> 00:00:34.560 It's crazy. 00:00:34.640 --> 00:00:40.960 You know, my one of my friends in Coronado, her ex-husband owned a publishing company that published it. 00:00:41.359 --> 00:00:46.320 Tiny little thing, you know, and uh boy, they made a lot of money. 00:00:46.560 --> 00:00:50.799 You know, I mean, who knew it was gonna be so wildly successful? 00:00:50.880 --> 00:00:57.840 So it took them from being like doing okay to like, because I think the publisher got like 50% of the sales. 00:00:58.000 --> 00:00:59.520 You know, that's pretty normal. 00:00:59.759 --> 00:01:01.920 Um yeah, anyway. 00:01:02.560 --> 00:01:03.039 Wow. 00:01:04.959 --> 00:01:07.760 My impression for because I knew you were gonna ask this question. 00:01:08.159 --> 00:01:09.519 I ask it every week, it's terrible. 00:01:09.840 --> 00:01:16.560 So I thought uh, and I thought there was a whole lot more Rome and not a whole lot of Jesus. 00:01:17.840 --> 00:01:19.680 Yeah, it's very anti-Rome. 00:01:20.799 --> 00:01:23.599 Well, is it anti-Rome or is it anti-empire? 00:01:24.000 --> 00:01:25.680 I think it's in its time. 00:01:25.760 --> 00:01:33.200 I think it was specifically anti-Rome, and it generalizes quite beautifully into anti-empire of every kind. 00:01:33.840 --> 00:01:35.599 I mean, I think that's right. 00:01:35.920 --> 00:01:37.599 And I think that's why it's helpful. 00:01:37.680 --> 00:01:44.560 It doesn't just say Rome, it talks about Babylon the Great, which was no more, but it is here now. 00:01:46.239 --> 00:01:46.480 Yeah. 00:01:47.120 --> 00:01:48.159 Very anti-woman. 00:01:52.959 --> 00:01:56.640 Yeah, women can only be useful for childbirth, or that's what we saw again. 00:01:57.040 --> 00:01:57.359 You know. 00:01:57.760 --> 00:02:04.079 Yeah, so is this guy writing after the temple's destroyed and clearly, yeah, clearly. 00:02:04.400 --> 00:02:09.439 And really about the world. 00:02:10.479 --> 00:02:17.759 And the the apocalyptic idea that justice is coming later. 00:02:20.479 --> 00:02:21.039 Yeah. 00:02:21.280 --> 00:02:27.599 I mean, maybe later and now, it's all like really, really confused, I think, right? 00:02:27.680 --> 00:02:37.199 I mean, again, God's gonna dwell on earth, and when is it fully gonna be realized, I think, is still what we struggle with. 00:02:37.280 --> 00:02:39.520 You know, when is it fully gonna be realized? 00:02:39.680 --> 00:02:49.520 I you know, like I grew up, and I think we still hear this in any kind of denomination, is like the second coming of Jesus, all this is gonna be fixed, right? 00:02:49.680 --> 00:02:55.039 But I sort of think the second coming of Jesus happens anytime we engage in justice. 00:02:55.360 --> 00:02:56.000 You know what I mean? 00:02:56.080 --> 00:02:59.439 Like, I don't know that it's a once-for-all deal. 00:03:00.000 --> 00:03:01.439 I mean, I don't know about that. 00:03:01.599 --> 00:03:07.199 It just seems very unlike God to come and like fix all our problems. 00:03:07.599 --> 00:03:09.360 I don't know if that makes sense. 00:03:11.680 --> 00:03:14.159 I mean, it's not I don't think it's like God to do that. 00:03:14.240 --> 00:03:15.280 I mean, that's what I mean. 00:03:15.439 --> 00:03:24.159 So I grew up in church where Jesus is gonna come back in a cloud and there's gonna be this judgment, and all the evil is gonna go away. 00:03:24.240 --> 00:03:28.479 And see, people, that's the day of the Lord that we read about in Joel. 00:03:28.879 --> 00:03:34.479 You know, that's what people want with the millennium and the rapture, all of that sort of stuff. 00:03:34.639 --> 00:03:36.560 But you know, I don't know. 00:03:36.800 --> 00:03:39.360 Again, like God has never done that. 00:03:39.680 --> 00:03:40.719 God has never done that. 00:03:40.960 --> 00:03:45.840 So it makes me wonder whether that's like those are moments we get to enter into. 00:03:46.000 --> 00:03:49.280 I mean, the truth is at a certain point, humanity's gonna be gone. 00:03:49.599 --> 00:03:56.879 We're gonna, the stars, the sun's gonna get out, or we're gonna kill ourselves through something, or a meteor is gonna hit the earth. 00:03:56.960 --> 00:03:57.520 I mean, whatever. 00:03:57.599 --> 00:04:02.800 At a certain point, we're not gonna do what we do, and then it'll all be settled. 00:04:03.759 --> 00:04:06.719 You know, I mean, that's that'll be the end of human time. 00:04:06.879 --> 00:04:09.759 Um, whether it's the end of time itself, I don't know. 00:04:09.919 --> 00:04:13.599 But um, so I I'm having a hard time, you know. 00:04:14.000 --> 00:04:20.000 So much of my faith life is predicated on God coming back and like fixing it all. 00:04:20.079 --> 00:04:23.680 But I wonder if that is the wrong thing to look forward to. 00:04:23.839 --> 00:04:35.519 I mean, I think God is gonna fix it all when we die, and in that sense, I think what I'm really trying to build into is that reconciliation is gonna happen when I die. 00:04:35.680 --> 00:04:37.759 God's going to take care of that. 00:04:38.959 --> 00:04:44.079 Um but I don't know that God's gonna force me to do it while I'm alive. 00:04:44.319 --> 00:04:46.480 I don't know if that makes sense what I'm saying. 00:04:46.959 --> 00:04:47.839 Do what? 00:04:48.319 --> 00:04:49.680 Force me, force reconcile. 00:04:49.839 --> 00:04:52.000 And there's people I cannot be reconciled with. 00:04:52.160 --> 00:04:55.759 Not fully, because they don't want to, or I don't want to, or we just can't. 00:04:56.000 --> 00:05:07.600 But I think what I kind of believe, what I'm trying to at least come to believe, is that whether I do it or not in this lifetime, God is going to do it after I die. 00:05:07.839 --> 00:05:11.199 God's going to do it for me if I can't do it with God. 00:05:13.519 --> 00:05:20.560 This was a couple years ago, the Orthodox Church, the leader of the Orthodox Church, and uh I liked him. 00:05:20.959 --> 00:05:23.360 He was a called Bible sort of thing. 00:05:23.519 --> 00:05:41.360 But here's the thing with that um that uh that in a way the world was awakening we had to come closer to the healing ourselves before anything you know would happen. 00:05:42.000 --> 00:05:43.839 I thought that was a nice thing. 00:05:46.720 --> 00:05:57.279 I think every every religion and permutation therein, denominations, well, I mean we're really only major world religion with denominations, honestly. 00:05:57.439 --> 00:06:00.639 But you know, like in in Judaism, there's Kabbalah. 00:06:00.959 --> 00:06:10.079 And um, you know Kabbalah has has influenced conservative Jews and Reformed Jews and Orthodox Jews. 00:06:10.160 --> 00:06:15.040 I mean, you you can be into the Kabbalah in any of those divisions, right? 00:06:15.199 --> 00:06:28.160 And the Kabbalah says that there's this essential oneness that gets fractured, and then our job essentially is to repair the world, which in Hebrew is like the tekuno laam, is to like repair the world. 00:06:28.240 --> 00:06:36.000 So when you when you do that, you're kind of putting God's pieces back together, if that makes sense. 00:06:36.079 --> 00:06:40.240 They're called the Sephirot, and it's very, like, very Eastern looking. 00:06:40.399 --> 00:06:42.160 It's sort of like chakras, anyway. 00:06:42.480 --> 00:06:44.480 Umpty gumpty. 00:06:45.040 --> 00:06:47.600 A little bit, a little bit, yeah. 00:06:47.839 --> 00:06:51.199 So repairing the world in some ways is like repairing God. 00:06:51.360 --> 00:06:52.560 It's just like it's interesting. 00:06:52.879 --> 00:06:56.319 Well, what that implies, though, is that something was whole to begin with. 00:06:56.879 --> 00:06:58.959 It does imply that, it does, yeah. 00:06:59.120 --> 00:07:10.879 Which I don't know if I totally want to go there or not, but it's but it's an interesting thing, and and in some ways I think we have, you know, there's these images in here about sort of bringing the new Jerusalem to earth. 00:07:10.959 --> 00:07:13.839 It's just a different way of saying it in some ways, right? 00:07:13.920 --> 00:07:18.000 It's like hastening the coming of God's family. 00:07:18.319 --> 00:07:26.560 I think what we often get is, oh, like God's gonna come and bring that about, instead of we are invited to bring that about. 00:07:27.040 --> 00:07:29.600 We spend so much time that God's gonna do it. 00:07:29.839 --> 00:07:33.199 And by the way, I do think God's gonna do it maybe after we're dead, though. 00:07:33.360 --> 00:07:37.199 I mean, this is this, I think it's the hard thing to think through. 00:07:38.000 --> 00:07:40.399 I don't know if that's helpful what I'm saying. 00:07:43.519 --> 00:07:46.399 I like that phrase in the Bible in all creation waits. 00:07:47.040 --> 00:07:51.040 Yeah, you know, there's an interesting thing about this time and this waiting, though. 00:07:51.199 --> 00:07:54.560 Um you know what a dunce cap is? 00:07:55.199 --> 00:07:56.800 It's that cone hat, right? 00:07:56.959 --> 00:08:01.120 Well, you know, it actually um comes from like a genius. 00:08:01.279 --> 00:08:04.319 Uh his name was Duns Scotus. 00:08:05.279 --> 00:08:12.560 So he's a medieval theologian who who actually was like considered to be, in his own day, like really, really sharp. 00:08:12.639 --> 00:08:20.879 And then people started to make making fun of the Dunce position, and because he wore this cone hat, it was a Dunce cap, right? 00:08:21.759 --> 00:08:29.839 So there's this big word, there's this word called Oh man, I'm gonna get this wrong. 00:08:30.399 --> 00:08:34.000 Lapsarianism, lapse meaning fall. 00:08:34.080 --> 00:08:38.159 So it's like this idea about the fall and the fall of humanity. 00:08:38.480 --> 00:08:41.039 And um there's some other words in there. 00:08:41.120 --> 00:08:48.960 Well, anyway, um Dun Scotus is a soup a super lapsarianist. 00:08:49.440 --> 00:09:02.240 In Revelation 13, 8, this is one verse, um, the book says, Um, all inhabitants of the earth will worship the beast, all whose names have not been written in the book of life, belonging to the lamb. 00:09:02.399 --> 00:09:08.159 Here's the key the lamb that was slain from the creation of the world. 00:09:08.960 --> 00:09:21.759 So Dun Scotius decided that the cross was not God's solution to Adam and Eve messing it up, that the incarnation and the cross was God's plan from the beginning. 00:09:22.960 --> 00:09:24.480 So this is interesting. 00:09:24.639 --> 00:09:32.879 In general, what I've heard is Adam and Eve screwed up God's plans, and God had to come up with plan B, and that was Jesus. 00:09:33.200 --> 00:09:36.639 Dunskotus says the cross was plan A. 00:09:38.639 --> 00:09:40.320 Based on this one verse. 00:09:41.120 --> 00:09:42.399 Based on this verse? 00:09:42.639 --> 00:09:43.679 The one I just read you. 00:09:43.840 --> 00:09:47.919 The lamb who was slain from the creation of the world. 00:09:48.159 --> 00:09:51.200 That is, this is interesting to think about time-wise. 00:09:51.679 --> 00:10:02.240 So listen, I mean, I got a math degree, and none of this makes any sense to me, except time is not infinite because it has a starting point. 00:10:03.919 --> 00:10:15.919 So in so time doesn't parallel infinity, it happens inside of infinity, which means there was something before time, and there'd probably be something after time. 00:10:16.080 --> 00:10:24.159 But even if there isn't something after time, timelessness is bigger than time because time began and infinity doesn't begin. 00:10:24.240 --> 00:10:26.080 Does that here's a diagram? 00:10:26.399 --> 00:10:26.799 No, no, no. 00:10:26.879 --> 00:10:29.039 I I hear what you're saying, I'm not sure it's true. 00:10:30.159 --> 00:10:32.320 Well, it doesn't matter whether you agree, it's right. 00:10:32.399 --> 00:10:37.279 So I mean, geometrically, here's time, it's a ray. 00:10:37.519 --> 00:10:38.639 It's a ray. 00:10:38.879 --> 00:10:46.399 And uh before time is something, and after time is something, so why isn't it just more time? 00:10:46.639 --> 00:10:48.559 Well, because time has a beginning. 00:10:48.879 --> 00:10:49.519 For us. 00:10:50.000 --> 00:10:51.440 Well, no, it don't, it just does. 00:10:51.519 --> 00:10:53.679 I mean, this is what Stephen Hawking says too, right? 00:10:53.759 --> 00:10:55.840 Like the first thing that happens in the universe is time. 00:10:56.080 --> 00:11:03.759 If it's if if if the universe is if if infinity is real, then there is no time doesn't exist. 00:11:04.080 --> 00:11:04.799 Well, exactly right. 00:11:04.879 --> 00:11:05.679 So this is even better. 00:11:05.840 --> 00:11:07.120 What you're saying is even better. 00:11:07.360 --> 00:11:11.440 So the idea, I think, is that God doesn't happen in time. 00:11:11.600 --> 00:11:13.600 Time happens inside of God. 00:11:14.240 --> 00:11:18.159 See, time is a blip in in infinity. 00:11:18.320 --> 00:11:19.519 If that makes sense. 00:11:19.759 --> 00:11:22.159 So did God start somewhere? 00:11:22.559 --> 00:11:24.480 Well, does God have a beginning? 00:11:24.799 --> 00:11:28.960 I think our faith says no, but I don't know the answer to that. 00:11:29.519 --> 00:11:35.600 I mean, actually, I think the idea is like everything that is, sort of doesn't just come from God. 00:11:35.679 --> 00:11:40.320 I think the idea, and this is Kabbalah, everything that is happens inside of God. 00:11:40.879 --> 00:11:42.720 It's a really interesting thing. 00:11:43.039 --> 00:11:46.559 So we say Holy Spirit in whom we live and move and have our being. 00:11:46.639 --> 00:11:53.679 Is Kabbalah sort of says God, like a pregnant woman, makes space in God's self for us to be. 00:11:53.919 --> 00:11:56.480 And didn't SCOTUS say that also? 00:11:57.039 --> 00:11:58.480 Well, it comes from Kabbalah, though. 00:11:58.559 --> 00:11:59.679 It comes from the Bal Shantov. 00:11:59.919 --> 00:12:01.679 He predates Dun SCOTUS. 00:12:02.080 --> 00:12:02.879 But sort of. 00:12:03.039 --> 00:12:11.279 So kind of what Dun Scotaus says, this really interesting idea, is here's our timeline, and look, here's 30 AD, and here's Jesus. 00:12:11.600 --> 00:12:20.639 Happens in time, but Dun SCOTUS says actually, it's a moment in our time, but it's an infinite event. 00:12:21.279 --> 00:12:26.159 So the cross was before time, and the cross will be after time. 00:12:26.559 --> 00:12:31.039 It happened discreetly in a moment, but it happened forever. 00:12:31.519 --> 00:12:33.039 I don't know if that makes sense. 00:12:33.440 --> 00:12:40.879 The cross being the incarnation, the death and resurrection of Jesus are infinite events, even though they happened in time. 00:12:41.039 --> 00:12:46.159 So it's this moment in which infinity intersects finity. 00:12:46.960 --> 00:12:48.000 That's interesting. 00:12:49.519 --> 00:12:52.879 I don't know what I'm talking about, except it seems right to me. 00:12:53.200 --> 00:13:05.039 So I think the idea is that any, if if Jesus is God, right, and he's the revelation of God and he's fully present, anything Jesus does reveals the eternal character of God. 00:13:07.600 --> 00:13:12.639 So the eternal character of God is the cross and resurrection. 00:13:13.600 --> 00:13:17.519 Happens in time, but always was and always will be. 00:13:17.919 --> 00:13:19.840 That's the dunskotus argument. 00:13:20.159 --> 00:13:29.120 If we're going to go into this realm of displaying, one of the thoughts that I've had is that is that that's kind of two-dimensional. 00:13:29.440 --> 00:13:30.320 It is two-dimensional. 00:13:30.559 --> 00:13:32.960 But I wonder if there's not a third dimension. 00:13:33.679 --> 00:13:42.480 Can that mean that if you take if you take that dimension and then you start adding an infinite number of dimensions? 00:13:42.720 --> 00:13:51.440 In other words, the next dimension is an infinite distance, or an infinitely small distance between where we are now and the next, whatever that is. 00:13:51.679 --> 00:13:52.000 Yeah. 00:13:52.320 --> 00:13:54.159 And then the next and the next and the next. 00:13:54.240 --> 00:13:57.440 So it's not only infinitely this way, but it's infinitely this way as well. 00:13:57.679 --> 00:13:58.559 I think it's a great idea. 00:13:58.639 --> 00:14:00.240 And I think it's more than three-dimensional. 00:14:00.320 --> 00:14:00.879 I mean, you know how it's. 00:14:01.440 --> 00:14:01.919 What do I meant by? 00:14:02.080 --> 00:14:03.679 Well, what is the fourth dimension? 00:14:03.919 --> 00:14:05.039 Well, some people could see it. 00:14:05.120 --> 00:14:05.919 Do you know about this? 00:14:06.159 --> 00:14:14.799 Okay, so you know, I've got a three-dimensional object, and the light comes this way and it makes a shadow, and a shadow is two dimensions, right? 00:14:15.679 --> 00:14:21.360 So that means that the third dimension is essentially just a shadow of the fourth. 00:14:22.480 --> 00:14:23.120 What? 00:14:24.000 --> 00:14:24.960 This is right. 00:14:25.440 --> 00:14:29.200 See, the second dimension is a shadow of a third dimension. 00:14:29.360 --> 00:14:31.120 You're a third-dimensional being. 00:14:31.279 --> 00:14:31.519 Yeah. 00:14:31.840 --> 00:14:35.279 And when the light comes, it makes a 2D shadow. 00:14:35.360 --> 00:14:36.080 It's flat. 00:14:36.240 --> 00:14:37.600 It has no volume. 00:14:38.000 --> 00:14:38.799 It's flat. 00:14:39.279 --> 00:14:39.840 Right? 00:14:40.159 --> 00:14:45.440 So three-dimensionality is a shadow of the fourth dimension. 00:14:46.080 --> 00:14:54.080 This is um like if you take a pencil which is 2D and look at it on its end, pencil point, which is one-dimensional. 00:14:54.960 --> 00:14:55.759 Correct. 00:14:56.080 --> 00:14:58.080 One, two, three dimensions, right? 00:14:58.159 --> 00:15:03.279 Now listen, mathematically, I learned how to solve nth-dimensional equations. 00:15:03.759 --> 00:15:06.960 Fourth and fifth dimension, but how do you conceive it? 00:15:07.039 --> 00:15:17.120 So my professor told me, he was one of these NASA people, um, that that there's a few people who have claimed to be able to like image the fourth dimension. 00:15:17.360 --> 00:15:19.919 Einstein being one of them apparently made that claim. 00:15:20.240 --> 00:15:21.360 I hear what you're saying. 00:15:21.519 --> 00:15:22.000 Yeah. 00:15:22.320 --> 00:15:24.399 But I, as you said, I can't image it. 00:15:24.639 --> 00:15:30.080 So it's fine, and the other thing you can't image, frankly, is like a a billion anything. 00:15:30.320 --> 00:15:33.919 So, like you, you, you know, you can read these like scales of numbers. 00:15:34.080 --> 00:15:42.960 Like our brain, I don't know if you know this, in most languages, it's like one and two, and then like the word stem changes when you get to three, four, five. 00:15:43.039 --> 00:15:46.000 So, like, we two is very basic for us. 00:15:46.240 --> 00:15:52.399 But when you get to three or more, we had to make up a new word conceptually for like three or more. 00:15:52.639 --> 00:15:56.320 In the Bible, look, there's a lot of numbers like seven, ten, twelve, forty. 00:15:56.879 --> 00:15:59.679 Anything more than forty, good god, like what is that? 00:15:59.840 --> 00:16:03.039 Uh, our brains just haven't evolved to do scale. 00:16:03.120 --> 00:16:18.159 So if I told you, look, I made a million dollars or there's a million ants, and I told you there's a billion, well, geez, they're just big numbers, but like to understand what a billion dollars buys or what it does, our brains are not are hardwired to not understand that. 00:16:18.639 --> 00:16:23.759 So we haven't evolved to get quantity on mass scale. 00:16:23.840 --> 00:16:33.279 I mean, you have to really, really focus to understand how much volume a million golf balls would occupy versus a billion golf balls. 00:16:34.639 --> 00:16:36.399 Same with dimensionality. 00:16:36.559 --> 00:16:41.919 And in general, like this is to go back to philosophy and I think to Revelation, if it's okay, right? 00:16:42.080 --> 00:16:49.279 Plato's key argument is that we are in a cave looking at shadows on a wall. 00:16:49.840 --> 00:16:58.559 We live in a two-dimensional reality, which in fact is multi-dimensional in the sense that it's 3D. 00:16:58.720 --> 00:17:03.360 But what we often do is we flatten things and we live in a flat world. 00:17:03.519 --> 00:17:12.319 Now, if you don't mind me saying this, this is what I find to be the case in politics and on social media. 00:17:12.640 --> 00:17:14.799 Donald Trump is a liar. 00:17:15.359 --> 00:17:17.119 That's a flat piece. 00:17:17.440 --> 00:17:19.599 Just because it succeeded a thousand lies. 00:17:19.920 --> 00:17:24.720 Yeah, well, but the truth is, uh liar means only tells lies. 00:17:24.880 --> 00:17:26.240 And it can't be true. 00:17:26.319 --> 00:17:28.559 I'm sure he tells the truth sometimes. 00:17:28.880 --> 00:17:36.880 So when we use a flattening word, we're settling into the second dimension instead of a multi-dimensional way of living. 00:17:37.119 --> 00:17:41.920 The people who are most vitriolic about this guy have never met him. 00:17:42.160 --> 00:17:43.839 So I don't know how they can judge his character. 00:17:44.000 --> 00:17:45.599 I mean, they don't know him at all. 00:17:45.759 --> 00:17:46.720 I don't know him. 00:17:46.960 --> 00:17:48.640 Do I think he tells lies? 00:17:48.799 --> 00:17:50.480 Yes, I do too. 00:17:50.799 --> 00:17:52.160 Is he worse than I am? 00:17:52.319 --> 00:17:54.079 Well, he has more power than I do. 00:17:54.319 --> 00:18:04.000 I disagree with many of his decisions, but see, that's a very different way of like thinking and framing than he's evil, he's a liar, he's a blah blah blah. 00:18:04.240 --> 00:18:13.279 Those kinds of phrases are us settling into two-dimensional living instead of living in a multidimensional bit. 00:18:13.519 --> 00:18:16.000 It was this huge thing when I was living in Germany. 00:18:16.160 --> 00:18:29.119 A movie came out about Adolf Hitler that showed him being kind to his secretary, and the Germans were like foaming at the mouth because it was important to depict Adolf Hitler as like the incarnation of evil, right? 00:18:30.799 --> 00:18:31.519 Extremes. 00:18:31.599 --> 00:18:32.720 You're talking about extremes. 00:18:32.880 --> 00:18:51.119 We're talking about extremes, and in some ways we lose, I think, multidimensional living very frequently because honestly, our brains have evolved to live in a binary way of existence, even though we're trinary ourselves. 00:18:51.200 --> 00:18:53.279 And we're three-dimensional, right? 00:18:53.440 --> 00:19:00.400 We have depth, but in general, we live flat and our brains want two choices, right and wrong. 00:19:00.880 --> 00:19:03.200 Well, we see in two dimensions. 00:19:03.359 --> 00:19:05.759 That's that's well I know we see in three dimensions. 00:19:06.000 --> 00:19:07.200 If you've got two eyeballs. 00:19:07.519 --> 00:19:12.480 Now, if you've only got one eyeball, you you see in two dimensions. 00:19:12.720 --> 00:19:18.799 I I I I I I believe I see in two dimensions with two eyeballs. 00:19:18.960 --> 00:19:20.319 I but my mind. 00:19:20.880 --> 00:19:21.519 Oh, fair. 00:19:21.599 --> 00:19:23.440 Okay, your mind conceives the third dimension. 00:19:23.680 --> 00:19:24.079 Correct. 00:19:24.480 --> 00:19:30.160 I mean, the the the the actual vision is two dimensions. 00:19:30.319 --> 00:19:31.279 It's the best we can do. 00:19:31.440 --> 00:19:34.880 But as I as you third dimension is something that your mind makes. 00:19:35.039 --> 00:19:39.599 I mean, I know that between you and I is about five feet, but I don't see that. 00:19:40.559 --> 00:19:42.880 So here's an interesting bit, right? 00:19:44.960 --> 00:19:56.400 Our spirit, whatever you consider that to be, or our mind's eye, or our third eye, right, in Hinduism, does it see in two dimensions, or does it see in three or four? 00:19:56.640 --> 00:20:01.599 When we look at one another, do we see flat or do we allow expansion? 00:20:02.240 --> 00:20:03.200 Wow, it's interesting. 00:20:05.200 --> 00:20:17.519 I'm not a philosopher, and I'm not really even a mathematician, but I think what Dunskotus is challenging us to do is to think outside of time and within time at this at all at once. 00:20:17.839 --> 00:20:31.440 So we usually think of things being so linear, but but if you think about God holding time and intersecting with it at every second, I think that's what he's trying to get us to do here. 00:20:32.400 --> 00:20:33.759 The revelation book? 00:20:34.319 --> 00:20:35.359 Dunskotus. 00:20:35.519 --> 00:20:58.400 And I think that ties into revelation because again, when you hear next week that God's home is on earth, the New Jerusalem is here, I think, coming way back to how I started, my religious training says God will do that one day instead of we do that in moments now. 00:20:59.519 --> 00:21:01.359 We do that in moments now. 00:21:02.240 --> 00:21:12.880 So, like I would tell you, when the tank stops in TNMN square, when it stops, is when God comes to dwell on earth. 00:21:14.880 --> 00:21:17.200 Now listen, something happens after that. 00:21:17.359 --> 00:21:21.680 But in these moments is when the infinite intersects the finite. 00:21:22.000 --> 00:21:25.599 And I think in some ways it's up to us how long those moments last. 00:21:27.200 --> 00:21:31.200 Something, I don't know whether this relates at all to what you're saying. 00:21:31.759 --> 00:21:38.240 It's probably too weird to bring up, but I was snorkeling in Jamaica last summer. 00:21:39.119 --> 00:21:41.200 And we we got off the ship. 00:21:41.279 --> 00:21:49.039 It was a little bit choppy that day, and he really, I mean, it certainly was not one of those clear water days, you know, it was a little choppy. 00:21:49.440 --> 00:21:56.000 And I swam off, put on my stuff, and I had never been snorkeling before. 00:21:56.880 --> 00:22:03.519 And when I dipped below the water, If you've ever snorkeled, you're in a different world. 00:22:03.920 --> 00:22:05.440 Instantly, that fast. 00:22:05.599 --> 00:22:07.440 You're in a different world. 00:22:07.839 --> 00:22:08.960 It's quiet. 00:22:09.680 --> 00:22:11.359 There's a different movement. 00:22:11.599 --> 00:22:13.519 It's perfectly clear. 00:22:13.759 --> 00:22:14.240 It's. 00:22:14.480 --> 00:22:19.119 You see all this stuff, there's no way you can see from the surface. 00:22:19.359 --> 00:22:27.759 And for a moment I thought, what if this is like, what if heaven is this close to us all the time, we just don't see? 00:22:29.119 --> 00:22:37.839 If there's always that, I don't want to use the word dimension because I'm not using it correctly, but you know, what if that world is always there? 00:22:38.160 --> 00:22:42.079 Always that close to us, but we just never are aware of. 00:22:42.480 --> 00:22:53.599 Yeah, I mean I think I think this is, I think you're doing much more eloquently and concisely than what I want, what I'm trying to get us to think about. 00:22:53.680 --> 00:23:01.039 There's this phrase we're taught as kids, and we say it, seeing is believing, but I think this book is actually saying believing is seeing. 00:23:01.200 --> 00:23:06.720 And that is that what we believe determines what we will see. 00:23:08.160 --> 00:23:18.480 So if we're if so if we believe that the infinite is constantly intercepting the finite, we might just see it. 00:23:18.880 --> 00:23:24.559 If we don't believe that, we never will, even if it's right in front of our face. 00:23:26.240 --> 00:23:28.880 And that's the theory of relativity, anyway, right? 00:23:28.960 --> 00:23:30.880 I mean that's that's it. 00:23:31.599 --> 00:23:33.440 It's relative to the observer. 00:23:35.440 --> 00:23:37.200 We all have filters, right? 00:23:37.839 --> 00:23:48.720 So if we're not expecting a black kid and a hoodie to be pleasantly selling those type bookies, then we might see something menacing. 00:23:49.039 --> 00:23:51.759 And this, I think, is what the book is doing. 00:23:52.000 --> 00:24:00.559 The book, the whole purpose of this book is for is to change what we believe so we can see it in front of us. 00:24:01.200 --> 00:24:04.079 Heaven is not out there later when we die. 00:24:04.400 --> 00:24:08.799 God is constantly bringing a new Jerusalem to earth. 00:24:09.119 --> 00:24:12.319 If we believe it, we might just see it. 00:24:12.559 --> 00:24:16.720 If we believe it and we see it, we might take part in it. 00:24:17.599 --> 00:24:18.240 I think. 00:24:18.640 --> 00:24:35.200 And that's why I think this is motivating people who are persecuted or whatever you want to say is listen, it's very easy to get tunnel vision on woe is me, but you're not, but you need to expand your vision so you can see what's really going on. 00:24:38.720 --> 00:24:41.759 God is bringing the new Jerusalem continually. 00:24:42.960 --> 00:24:44.480 Doesn't that have to be right? 00:24:44.799 --> 00:24:46.319 I think it has to be right. 00:24:48.640 --> 00:24:51.839 But I think coming back to this, and I know this is like a little confusing. 00:24:51.920 --> 00:25:04.000 Like I said, I don't really quite understand it, is if God acts discreetly in time, and those actions are infinite, then they're always available in time. 00:25:04.559 --> 00:25:09.440 So if God's going to do it one day, then God can do it also today. 00:25:10.319 --> 00:25:11.759 Because that's what God does. 00:25:12.319 --> 00:25:13.279 I hope that makes sense. 00:25:13.359 --> 00:25:17.680 I mean, I know I that makes not a lot of sense, but what you're saying now makes more sense to me. 00:25:18.079 --> 00:25:21.359 With that, with the infinite intersection, the finite, right? 00:25:21.440 --> 00:25:30.000 If God is reconciliation, if that's who God is, then it's not just one day, it's today. 00:25:30.559 --> 00:25:31.519 And one day. 00:25:31.680 --> 00:25:32.559 And tomorrow. 00:25:32.720 --> 00:25:33.680 And five minutes from now. 00:25:33.759 --> 00:25:36.559 I mean, it's And it's happened in the past, too. 00:25:36.799 --> 00:25:38.000 In the past, too. 00:25:38.240 --> 00:25:42.160 So, like, you know, there's this weird bit in quantum mechanics. 00:25:42.319 --> 00:25:43.920 Lila's working with this, right? 00:25:44.079 --> 00:25:46.960 That that um experience. 00:25:47.680 --> 00:25:54.319 Well, the time is like the past and present are and future are all sort of wormholes to each other, right? 00:25:54.400 --> 00:25:56.720 I mean, they like fold on top of each other. 00:25:57.119 --> 00:25:58.559 Theory is out there. 00:25:59.200 --> 00:26:00.160 All right, she didn't like it. 00:26:00.240 --> 00:26:01.599 But anyway, I'm not gonna spend time. 00:26:02.400 --> 00:26:06.240 You know, there's quantum mechanics works on really tiny scales. 00:26:06.400 --> 00:26:16.559 Sometimes you can use it as a nice metaphor for for our scale of size, and I just don't find that particularly helpful. 00:26:17.359 --> 00:26:18.559 So let's not think about time. 00:26:20.480 --> 00:26:25.039 That the the lunch I eat tomorrow can give me a stomachache today, but that's what it's saying. 00:26:25.279 --> 00:26:33.200 Yeah, well, let's not think about it in time, because let's think about the edgy one that you've that you that we've talked about that is more comforting on the small scale and a large scale. 00:26:33.279 --> 00:26:34.160 Well, I think it is, right? 00:26:34.319 --> 00:26:36.480 At the quantum level, everything's entangled. 00:26:37.119 --> 00:26:39.279 Everything is entangled on the quantum level. 00:26:39.359 --> 00:26:41.519 We are all one thing. 00:26:41.839 --> 00:26:43.920 So I think we're all with nature. 00:26:44.160 --> 00:26:48.319 Yeah, God was incarnate in the way. 00:26:49.440 --> 00:26:54.960 So God is incarnate in everything in every moment. 00:27:42.079 --> 00:27:47.039 Circumscribed by anything, not contained by anything. 00:27:47.759 --> 00:27:50.000 Infinity is just kind of hard to understand. 00:27:50.079 --> 00:27:53.359 Like there is no center in the universe because there's no energy. 00:27:53.759 --> 00:27:54.160 Right. 00:27:55.920 --> 00:27:59.119 There's a center to the part of the universe that we can't see. 00:27:59.440 --> 00:28:02.319 Right, but that's definitely expanding faster than we thought anyway. 00:28:02.880 --> 00:28:04.720 Expanding faster than we thought. 00:28:04.960 --> 00:28:05.119 Yeah. 00:28:07.039 --> 00:28:08.240 Energy on energy. 00:28:11.359 --> 00:28:14.319 What what did Neil Neil's Boris credit was saying? 00:28:14.640 --> 00:28:18.319 And I don't think he was originally physics. 00:28:19.920 --> 00:28:21.680 It's stranger than we can come. 00:28:32.480 --> 00:28:38.240 Yeah, to be looking at a lot of people know myself. 00:28:43.680 --> 00:28:47.200 We make our own honor individually. 00:28:47.519 --> 00:28:52.000 Um that we're responsible for what happens with us. 00:28:52.400 --> 00:28:56.400 And I think a lot of people are waiting for the big event. 00:28:57.200 --> 00:28:59.680 And they forget to live now. 00:29:00.000 --> 00:29:00.240 Right. 00:29:00.400 --> 00:29:06.559 And forget to bring all that and live that a certain way. 00:29:06.799 --> 00:29:07.359 Yeah. 00:29:07.759 --> 00:29:12.079 And I think going back to quantum time, which I don't really understand, in that sense. 00:29:13.119 --> 00:29:17.519 But in the sense that pr that the future can be in the present if we live into it. 00:29:18.079 --> 00:29:20.000 The future can be in the present. 00:29:20.480 --> 00:29:24.319 Everything that has ever is ever going to happen has already happened. 00:29:25.920 --> 00:29:32.160 Yeah, and I think there's this other thought having parented, which or whatever, it doesn't matter whether you're parent or not, having taught. 00:29:33.519 --> 00:29:44.160 If you knew that you were going to rub off on your kid or your student the way you wanted to. 00:29:44.640 --> 00:29:49.359 If you knew it was gonna work, you could do it, no matter what it was. 00:29:51.119 --> 00:29:55.200 Our problem is, I think, we don't know it's going to work. 00:29:55.440 --> 00:29:57.599 And sometimes that makes us stop trying. 00:29:57.920 --> 00:30:02.400 Because we say, I'm putting all this in and it's not working. 00:30:03.599 --> 00:30:06.799 This book says it's gonna work. 00:30:08.720 --> 00:30:27.920 So I think in some ways it's saying, you know, I mean, again, as a parent, my mistake, I think, is that I'm looking for a discrete outcome now, and I think the book is saying God's outcome will prevail, whether you get to see it or not. 00:30:28.240 --> 00:30:32.799 So there's no such thing as wasting your time and an act of kindness. 00:30:32.960 --> 00:30:42.640 It's not a waste, it's effectual, and if we could live with that conviction, we would not grow faint in doing what's right. 00:30:43.680 --> 00:30:49.359 If we trusted it's going to work, we would not go faint grow faint in doing what's right. 00:30:49.599 --> 00:30:51.440 The book is saying it's going to work. 00:30:52.319 --> 00:31:03.279 Well, I saw I think it's what Morton was saying, what you're saying, is that in the moment we choose to bring that, we're not waiting for the big event. 00:31:03.359 --> 00:31:05.839 It's in the moment we we create. 00:31:07.920 --> 00:31:11.279 And that's where I think this is a timeless book anchored in time. 00:31:11.440 --> 00:31:15.680 It's about Rome, but it's also about the Holy Roman Empire. 00:31:15.920 --> 00:31:21.200 It's about, you know, the rise of fundamentalism and the Inquisition and all of this sort of stuff. 00:31:21.599 --> 00:31:25.359 It's Babylon and it's Rome, but it's also the Soviet Union. 00:31:25.440 --> 00:31:26.640 I mean, it's all of this stuff. 00:31:26.799 --> 00:31:27.359 That's what it is. 00:31:28.480 --> 00:31:29.359 It's the United States. 00:31:29.440 --> 00:31:29.599 Yep. 00:31:30.000 --> 00:31:34.799 Spending more money on defense than all the other countries in the world put together. 00:31:35.440 --> 00:31:39.039 Something like Empire. 00:31:40.319 --> 00:31:40.480 Okay. 00:31:41.039 --> 00:31:42.880 I just Isn't this a great book? 00:31:42.960 --> 00:31:44.400