The Mental Stresses of Fatherhood.

No perfect dads—just dedicated ones. The Dedicated Dad’s Podcast is a space for real conversations about fatherhood, parenting, leadership, and legacy. 

This episode's guest is Chris Jaromay. A successfully real estate and Life and Health Insurance agent in the Greater Sacramento area. Chris is a married father of 2 beautiful daughters. This episode tackles the hidden things that dads carry topics like

o   What are the Mental stresses associated with Fatherhood?

o   How do you handle provider pressure? (financial weight to meet all a family's material wants/needs)

o   How do you navigate Depleted Fathers Syndrome (describes the deep physical, mental, and emotional exhaustion modern dads face when juggling demanding careers with the societal expectation to be highly involved, hands-on caregivers)

o   How do you ask for help from your wife, other dads, Community (i.e church or support groups)?

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Transcript

SPEAKER_00 0:01

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SPEAKER_01 0:25

Hey everybody, welcome to the Dedicated Dads Podcast. This is our second episode, and we're glad that you guys joined us. Uh where we just want everyone to know there's no such thing as a perfect dad, just a dedicated one. The Dedicated Dads Podcast is a space just for us to have real conversations about fatherhood, parenting, leadership, legacy. You know, our goal here is to encourage each other. I mean, we all go through something. There are dads here in the forum and in the community that have gone through the things that we've gone through. Uh so we're gonna discuss everything from everyday wins, challenges of raising children, relationships, personal growth, and purpose. Uh, this podcast is gonna celebrate dads who show up, stay present, and lead with intention. I'm your host, Bishop. We have an amazing show lined up for you today, and our guest is Chris Jeremy. Chris Jeremy is from Elkgrove, California. He's married with two daughters, one who attends Cal Poly San Luis Obisco, the other just graduated from high school and is going to attend the University of the Pacific. Uh, Chris is a full-time realtor and life coach and health insurance agent, is a passion for helping other people attain their goals in life, whether it's a new home or simply protecting their family's uncertainty. Two quotes that Chris likes to live by. The pain you feel today will strengthen, will be the strength you draw upon tomorrow. That's a really good one. Never heard that one. And when you're full of love, you confuse people who are full of shit. So, with that being said, let's bring Chris onto the program. Let's welcome Chris. Chris, how are you feeling today, sir?

unknown 2:14

I'm good.

SPEAKER_02 2:14

How you feeling, Chris? I'm good. I'm good.

SPEAKER_01 2:19

Yes, thanks for joining us on the podcast. Uh, really appreciate your time uh and expertise in the matter of the mental stress of fatherhood. Um, so uh with that being said, let's jump in and I will ask you the first question, which is what are the mental stresses associated with fatherhood?

SPEAKER_02 2:40

Oh man, there's there's uh so many to uh so many stressors to to pick from. But I guess the the top three I would say is uh provide, protect, and teach. So number one, you know, the first thing I found out when my wife was pregnant, I told myself as a young man growing up, I'm not gonna be one of those dads that are just gonna be like, I'm not gonna raise my own kids. Um put you know, put food in their belly, milk, get them some diapers, maybe need a new pair of uh shoes, anything and everything that uh they needed to live and survive and thrive in this world, I was gonna be that person to help uh provide for that. And it was I wasn't just gonna leave my girlfriend or my wife now at the time uh now girlfriend at the time um you know I wasn't just gonna leave her hanging. And uh, you know, it at the end of the day, that's that's that baby, that child is a part of you. It's an extension of you. And you know, you can't deny yourself uh life like that. You can't just be like, oh no, I'm I'm not I'm not gonna help my own self out. You know, that's that's kind of dis you know, you're kind of messing up your own legacy in that aspect. Uh the other thing I like to talk about is uh just protecting that child, you know. Um a lot of them are, you know, especially in today's world, yeah, there's a lot of stuff, like crazy, crazy stuff going on. You know, you could just flip on the news. You know, Epstein is the most famous one. Um, but it happens every day, and no neighborhood is a bubble, right? It could happen next door, it could happen then in the next city over. Someone gets kidnapped, uh you know, molested, whatever. And it could it's not just strangers, it could be like direct family members. That's a scary thing, too, because it that that has happened. Um, so you want to protect your child not only from those you know crazy threats of people that are trying to abuse or or or actually physically hurt your child. Um I kind of sorry, lost my trait of thought there, but just you know, there's those threats, but then also like, hey, you know, I want to protect them in the aspect of making sure they don't get sick, making sure that like they're not gonna get hurt. Simple things like putting on a seatbelt, um protecting them from physical abuse, right? Teaching them how to and that kind of leads into my next thing is teaching them how to stand up for themselves. You know, you're not gonna let your child be bullied at school. That's there's ever if there's ever a problem, they know how to protect themselves, you know, emotionally, physically, if needed, even though I've never put them in any kind of martial art, they know how to stand up for themselves. And and a lot of that comes from just teaching them like what's right and wrong and what's fair. Um, and I'd say a lot of it goes to just my upbringing and and and religion, honestly. You know, living a Catholic Christian life and following the word of God, you know, doing unto others what you would want to have done unto you, and just being um living in a life of servitude and service. And I think you know, living that lifestyle, you know, not just me living a life of servitude for my family, but you know, for my community as well. And to me, I I find you know there's a there's a purpose in life to that. So yeah, those are the three things that I would talk about. It's just again, top three of my priority list would be to provide for your children, protect them, and and teach them, you know, how to be uh you know young adults. And my kids are adults now. I got a 21 and an 18-year-old now. I know, and the time goes fast. It goes super fast. It goes super, super fast.

SPEAKER_01 6:56

So to go back to something that you brought up um when you were speaking um about just providing for your kids, um, not only financially, but like you said, emotionally, physically being present for them. How do you personally handle the provider pressure? You know, that pressure that comes with, you know, the bills have to be paid, or you know, your daughter wants to do the cheerleading. Uh, you know, these things all cost money. You know, unfortunately, no activity that kids want to do now is free. So there's a fair amount of pressure, whether that be the schedule, because I know your daughter's a cheerleader and you're a cheer dad, so the pressure comes from having to balance work and going to cheer competitions in Florida or Tennessee or what have you. So, how do you deal with that provider pressure?

SPEAKER_02 7:43

I guess you know, one of the first things I'm gonna add another P to that, okay? And this is this is key for all the fellas out there is that P is partner who you're raising this child with. Yeah, and that's that's very, very important because it's it's hard, you know. And I I admire all the you know single parents out there that are raising their children. They they do what it got, you know, they do what they have to do to get their child happy, but you know, having that partner on there, it you know, it alleviates a lot of the pressure to provide all these things, and it uh what it does, it allows you to uh disperse your time, effort, and energy amongst all the other activities. So, me, because I have a really good partner, you know, she she works in the public service, she helps us, he she helps our family get the benefits. Me, I work out of the private industry, I'm self-employed. So, what's my job? I gotta you know, go out there and get that money, but at the same time, I got the freedom of choice to you know go pick up the kids after school, bring them to these other activities. So I would, you know, that's to me, that's the number one thing is making sure you pick the right partner. Um because it it takes, you know, it's parents, plural. Correct, yeah. It's plural, man. It's hard to do by yourself. It's not to say that it can't be done because there's been plenty of people that have done it, but man, you know, your your child, your you know, your daughters are gonna have that much more of a head start if if there's two two people involved in their lives.

SPEAKER_01 9:29

Absolutely, absolutely. Uh so next question for you, Chris, is how do you navigate through what's called depleted father's syndrome? So, depleted father syndrome, for the people who don't know, it describes the deep physical or emotional exhaustion that dads face when juggling the demanding careers, uh satietal expectations to be present, uh, you know, to walk daughters down the aisles to be there when the prom date comes. So, how do you how do you handle or navigate or or make sure you don't get depleted as the time goes by? I know you just spoke about having a good partner, which I'm sure goes a long way to keeping you energized and recharged. But personally, if there are times where you feel overwhelmed, how do you uh manage it?

SPEAKER_02 10:17

You know, uh, you know, one of the first things you've probably seen this, you know, you follow me on Instagram, but every day I post a well, at least I try to, I post a little story about giving myself at least one hour a day just for my physical health and my mental health. That's my me time, and that's time for my self-improvement, time to just gather my thoughts together. And there's a saying out there by uh Paul Paul Epstein. Um, he he talks about winning your Mondays, and and I apply that not just on a on a weekly level, but like on a daily level. So if you can get the hardest thing out of your you know, out of the day done and completed, you know, first thing upon waking up, everything else seems like cake, man. So, you know me, I you know, I like to crossfit, and that is a very demanding, rigorous exercise. You know, you could be lifting super heavy weights or running long distances, but they're short and sweet, and I get my workouts done in an hour. And a lot of the times when I'm doing these workouts, I'm thinking about family, right? I'm thinking about family, and I'm also thinking about myself. But you know, amongst all those things, when things like really start hitting the fan, when when you're in true survival mode, the number one thing you just start thinking about is just breathing air, right? How to breathe properly, yeah. So, you know, it's just when I get myself in a situation where man, I'm I'm like physically drained or even stressed mentally, you know, just take a breath. And getting that workout knocked out first thing in the morning, I've I've already primed my body to just be like adapted to that that that pressure. You know, it's like man, I would I I already ran like a mile and and you know did 50 push-ups and a hundred pull-ups and 300 setups, you know, it's it's just like man, you know, that's nothing to me. You know what I mean? It's just like I I can get through this. And like I said, you know, if you look at my my quote right here, right? See you see my quote. That the thing you feel today is the strength you'll draw on tomorrow, and and that that's that's so true nowadays. Um, you know, with me when I was a kid, you know, I didn't my sister had it easy. She's a she's a millennial. Uh not to make fun of millennials, but I mean, I I I had a different upbringing, you know. I I got BTA, uh slipper to ass, whatever was available to ass, you know. Yeah, beat down. Um, but for me, you know, I wasn't gonna raise my kids like that, you know. And I I just told myself I need to be more present for them and listen to them, and just you know, I already took care of me in the morning, right? Yeah, so mentally and physically, I I'm I'm there ready for that. I mean, not to say that there are times where I do, you know, I am just physically exhausted. Um, you know, mentally it's like, no, my daughter needs me, I'm gonna show up. Yeah, so that's it's more of like a not it's more of a not a reactive type of thing, but more of a proactive, like, I know this is coming my way, I'm gonna get myself ready for it. So if I stay ready, there's no need to get ready, right?

SPEAKER_01 14:03

Yeah, I agree. And you know, just like you said, when you when you find yourself being overwhelmed, just the breathing aspect of it, and you know, from one athlete to another, you know. I remember in college when I started running cross-country, and I was a track runner in high school, so they were like, Oh, track cross-country. I'm like, sure. And I mean, a mile and a half in I'm breathing mouth wide open, I couldn't catch my breath. And the coach was like, if you learn to control your breathing, everything else slows down. And that's really is really what helped me, you know, get to the point where I was able to run a five mile in 27 minutes, because otherwise I wouldn't be able to do it. Because literally, like those first few months when I'm just trying to draw on my own strength and just do it kind of my way. I'm like, okay, this is what I know from track. I'm gonna hold my breath, I'm gonna push through, and then in 10 seconds I'll breathe. Unfortunately, across country, it's five miles, so you can't hold your breath that long. Yeah, so I'm now running uphill, like literally, I'm huffing. The girls are passing me, and the coach is like, Listen, I told you, you got to learn how to control the breathing. The breathing kind of helps you slow the things down, helps your body process, you know, helps your mind work better. You know, obviously, if you're in survival mode, like you said, not breathing is not good. So the more you breathe through things, and and you like you said, you do CrossFit, so you know when that weight is heavy, whether you're doing burpees or lunges or your pull-ups, you know, it's that breath that kind of gives you that last push through, you know. So um, yeah, I really appreciate that. That was really a good one. Um, so I have another question for you. How do you ask for help from your community? Now, I know you said earlier that you draw on your Catholic Christian uh upbringing and and beliefs. So, how do you ask for help from your community, whether that be your priest or pastor, whether that be you know your brother-in-law or other dads in your community? What is your style and how do you ask for help when you need it?

SPEAKER_02 16:03

Let me ask you this what what what kind of help are we asking about? What are we talking about? What kind of thing?

SPEAKER_01 16:08

Well, it could be it could be anything, it could be advice. Um, you know, I know I've come to you for advice because uh, you know, we're friends and your daughter is just a little bit older than mine, but still, you know, being a cheer dad was new for me. Um, so I'm like, okay, well, how the hell do I do this? You know what I mean? Running the Starbucks and the bows and the glitter and the hacking the uniforms and the shoes and the boxes. So like anything. It doesn't have to be uh, you know, just financial help, it you know, like I said, emotional help. When you feel like you know you're breaking down, what kind of things or who or how do you ask other people to help you with that?

SPEAKER_02 16:50

You know, the key thing there is just being able to be humble and open up, right? And not act like you know everything or like nothing's wrong. Because if there is something and you do have a question, you know, you got to be able to open up and just just ask somebody, you know what I mean? Because, you know, and for me, it's like if I'm lost, I'll do what I can to you know get right get back on the right track. And I'm talking about just driving, right? Like, you know, weird cities, just like, man, you know, I I would be friendly to somebody and be like, hey, do you know how to get to this place? Or how do you get to, you know, how do we do that? Or how how you know, just befriending people and being open and honest with yourself and just letting people know and being vulnerable, right? And just letting people know that, like, hey, I really don't understand what you know how to deal with this. You know, there's a lot of guys out there that you know that are unwilling to do that. Um but then there's also some guys that are just you know they want the shortcut, they just ask you the question, right? Yeah, it's and sometimes it's like, man, do you do you really did you really just think about what you just asked me? You know, it's like sometimes it's sometimes it's common sense, you know what I mean? Yeah, um, but just you know, ask for for helping your community, it it all depends, man. Like, you know, I I think in my community, just your community extends in in very different parts of, you know, your community could be like your family, it could be your cheer, chair community, it could be your child's school community, it could be your work community. Just you know, I guess just finding those resources and and understanding like what those resources, how they can best help you and suit you, right? Like, you know, Danny, you're not gonna ask me anything about like you know, stand-up. I mean, you're gonna ask me for feedback, but I mean like, hey, you know, uh you know, ask me about uh, I don't know, something that you're really good at. Like, wait, you know, you play professional ball for a minute, right? Yeah, yeah. You know, I you know putting on weight and and hitting them, you know, getting on the proper diet to to get into prime ath ath uh prime conditioning, I guess you would say, right? To to perform, right? Yeah, so just just being aware of of who can help you and and how, right? You know, the the asking for the wife's stuff, I mean, you know, in other dads, like me, I've never had to ask anybody else for money. You know, that's that's just me. I'd be well that's a that's a blessing, for sure. Yeah, you know, um it's again, you know, being able to provide and protect me. I don't really, you know, I don't want to ask my wife for stuff. I guess it's just like, hey, I'm doing my thing. If you see me struggling, it would be nice if you ask me if you know, do you need a hand with something or you see me down? Because that's what a good partner does, right? They see when like, hey, the other half is like struggling, then yeah, you're gonna you're gonna offer something. Yeah, I got you. So just just being humble with yourself and and and just you know asking people.

SPEAKER_01 20:19

Yeah, I mean, and like you said, you know, the vulnerability and that also comes with kind of just like self-examination. You know, a lot of guys, you know, we all grow up, you know, guys don't cry, guys don't share emotion, guys don't show weakness. And I feel like that's a problem that a lot of guys have now when it comes to mental health issues. You know, a lot of guys are in relationships with people who could help them. They just refuse to ask for help, or like you said, be vulnerable. Um, and it doesn't always come in the form of asking. You know, like you said, having a good partner is a very important part of it for the partner to be able to see. You know, no different than okay, you do CrossFit, you're lifting weights. If you're on the bench press and I'm spotting and I see your arm start to shake, I think it's probably about time I reach down to grab that bar and help you pick it up. Otherwise, we're gonna have an accident on our hands, you know. So it also comes with, like you said, your partners or your community kind of just being aware of not only what you can handle, but just kind of your moods, you know, your temperament, people who know you. You know, if you come around me, I'm always happy. If you came around me and I was down, I mean, someone would ask, okay, what's going on? You know, this is not like you, you know what I mean? Or if you know she's my doing something that they otherwise wouldn't do. So uh I think that's very important points that you made. Um, and I appreciate your honesty and openness um in sharing, not just with me, but with the dedicated dad community and you know, other fathers out there who are, you know, in this position, you know, of being fathers. You know, uh some people get thrust into fatherhood earlier than others. Uh, some people wait a little longer. Um But no one figures it out, no one's perfect. You know, it's an ever-changing thing, as you know, having daughters, you know, it was a different relationship when they were five, different relationship when they were 12, definitely a different relationship in the teens, you know. Uh yeah, and I'm dealing with the same thing now. I remember my daughters used to run and grab me every time I walk through the door, and now it's like, oh hey dad. And they're off doing what they want to do in the rooms on TikTok or whatever. But you know, coming with the flexibility of giving them the room to be able to express themselves. And you know, being a dad who's just present and the kids knowing that when they need something from you, you know, dad's only a phone call or text or a room away. Um, I'm sure gives them uh a ton of comfort in knowing and having a dad like you. So I appreciate again your honesty and sharing. Um, and I want to offer you the floor to give your final thoughts about everything that we spoke about or anything extra that you may want to add.

SPEAKER_02 22:59

Um, you know, when it when it comes down to raising your your child, you gotta remember that there is a piece of you in them, and then as well as your partner, you know, let them let them make their mistakes, right? Sometimes you just gotta let them make their mistakes and don't reprimand them if they did make that mistake because they're they're gonna learn. They have to learn. And if they if it takes another attempt, or you know, sometimes they may have to make a mistake two or three times. Um, but that's what that's what a good father does. He oversees their child and lets that it gives them the freedom to grow and explore and do and try different things. Um in some cases they might teach you a you know a thing or two just by what they do with their own experience. You it just as a witness, and it's like, man, I you know, a prime example is this. Yeah, I went to college, you know, I went to college UC Davis, local here in Sacramento. Um, I you know, I applied to different schools, Irvine, Riverside, and I just you know, I was just like, oh, let me just pick a college, um, and you know, went through the whole motions of it. You know, I didn't really have a whole ton of help from my my parents, you know. They just said, oh, you're just gonna go to college. And I was just like, okay, well, like I gotta figure this out on my own. And uh didn't really put a whole lot of thought into it. I just like well, I'll just you know, I'll just go to Davis, you know, pick one. You know, I had some friends going there and um, you know, was able to graduate, had had a blast in college. Don't get me wrong, it was it was fun. But when I look at my kids, it's like, man, what they they they really enjoyed their high school years. They uh they they took full advantage of it, you know, they were able to do a lot of things. There wasn't there wasn't uh it was a very rare occasion for for me to tell them no on something, and that was just more of all, you know, me telling them no was more of an accountability factor. Like, hey, you said you were gonna do this, you know, and you didn't do it, therefore you can't go to this until this gets done. So just really holding them accountable. But I mean, you know, to get back to my story is you know, my my kids really put some thought and effort into where they wanted to go for college, right? And this is what I learned from them. My my my uh older daughter, all of the colleges that she picked were were at near the coast in the beach. And she said, you know, they they did because they love the weather. Uh the older one, she she really put some thought into her college and says, Hey, I'm I'm really picking this school because it's hands-on. And it's like, you know, once you graduate from there, you can get a job real easily because people are looking for you, especially if you graduate from the school. Um, the younger one, she she got uh you know recruited by University of University of the Pacific to be part of their you know inaugural D1 stunt team. I never had that opportunity, you know, because you know I played sports in high school, but you know, I didn't really have the same passion as she did for her and her cheer. You know, I played football, but I was like, man, I'm you know, I'm not gonna go anywhere. I'm doing this for fun. But you know, she's same way, you know, but she she had a true passion for it. She lived it, she uh she practiced it, and um, yeah, now now she's uh she got recruited to a D1 school and and is gonna be able to study from a private school. So those are the couple things that you know I I learned from just watching my kids grow. And I think that's one of the most important things, too, as well, is when it comes down to relationships, you know, yeah, you gotta let them, you can't be so protective of them that you're you're telling everybody, you know, go away, right? It's good to be that fatherly figure, but like you know, get to get to know who they're hanging out with, who they like, right? And you'll have an idea of you know who's bad news or whatnot, but you know, thank god none of my my my kids got pregnant in high school because they you know we groomed in to make good decisions, and every you know, one thing that you always want to tell your kid when they're going out with with their friends, okay. One of the things that we always told our our two daughters before they left is we always asked them, make or told them make good decisions before they left. It was it is our way of saying, I love you, come back home safely and make good decisions.

SPEAKER_01 27:53

Yeah, it's important. Well, Chris, we appreciate again, we appreciate your time today and joining uh the podcast. Our second episode. Uh, so Chris, you know, you're highly valued in my circle of friends. Either that or I don't have really good friends, and you're just a lot of good friends. You just no, you're you're you're one of you're one of one of my good ones. Uh, and like I said, I always appreciate your honesty and hanging out with you and whatnot. So, Chris, before we go, uh please give the people your social media handles uh for your real estate, uh, for your insurance. Uh let people know where they can find you.

SPEAKER_02 28:29

Oh, okay. Uh, well, my uh mostly on Instagram, and it's uh C Let me just go look it up quick. I think it's C Jeremy, C Jeremy, C J A R O M A Y. Uh, and that's at my Instagram account that connects over to my Facebook. You just pop into one of those and you'll be able to see it. Um, I do plan on having a YouTube channel and it's you know kind of showcasing different houses, uh, different businesses that I'm selling, buying and selling, and you know, importance of having real estate. Actually, Danny, you know, one of the one of the coolest things that I I did recently is I I helped out, and I my younger daughter was in Girl Scouts, and one of the Girl Scout moms she had reached out to me years later, just like, hey, I see that you're a realtor. Do you remember me? I was you know, I was so-and-so's mom. Can you help my son buy a house? I was like, Yeah, I'd be I'd be honored to do that, you know what I mean? And uh guess how old this kid is. Um, is he 21? No, I think I think he's like 23. Wow, and he got his first house already, bro.

SPEAKER_01 29:50

Yeah, that's young for home ownership. Well, kudos to him. That's big.

SPEAKER_02 29:54

But it's yeah, so then I was like, man, you know, I want to get my kid in a head start like that. You know what I mean? Like I wish somebody would have told me, like, you know, get a house or start your life insurance early. Just start, just start early. Because there's a lot of mistakes that I made. You know, but you know what? It's in the past, there's there's just nothing you can do about it, you know. I'm I'm not gonna sit here and cry about it. Yeah, but you know, definitely moving forward, there they're you know, you just gotta keep that in the back of your mind. Be like, okay, I need to make better decisions, right? Yeah, absolutely.

SPEAKER_01 30:30

Yeah, absolutely. Well, Chris, we thank you for your time, like I said, uh and joining the podcast. Um, if you need to find Chris, as he said earlier, you can find him at C Jerome C-J-A-R-O-M-A-Y on Instagram, which are linked to his Facebook account. He uh is a fabulous real estate agent. And Chris, we thank you for your time today, and uh we'll see you around, Chris. Yeah, appreciate you. Appreciate you, Danny. Of course. Thanks, Chris. All right. So that was our first episode uh with a guest. Our first episode uh was just me. It's our first episode with a guest. So we are appreciative of Chris Jeremy for sharing his time and his knowledge about what he does with his kids and how he's chosen to live his life and the things that have helped him. Uh as dads, we all need help at times, you know, whether that's from a partner, whether that's from a father figure, whether that's from a friend, uh just asking for advice. So uh my takeaways from this episode, uh from the things that Chris shared, were be vulnerable. Uh there's nothing wrong with uh reaching out for help, whether that be through church, whether that be through community, uh, like you said, school dads, uh school community for your kids, play dates, things of that nature where you get to talk to other adults who are in a similar situation as you. Um, he also uh leaned a lot on his own personal ability to be able to manage mental stress uh worth working out. Now there are people who can't work out. So I urge you to find something um that helps you to cope with stress as opposed to letting it build up, whether that be a hobby or an activity, whether that's video games, whether that's doing puzzles, going for walks, um, for people who are limited uh physically who can't work out. There are other things you can do to kind of help your mind relax and alleviate that kind of stress and pressure. So we thank you guys for joining us on our first episode. Our episodes will be loaded weekly on our YouTube page at Dedicated Dads Online. Please make sure you go and subscribe to the page. Uh, we are also on Instagram at Dedicated Dads Online on Instagram and TikTok as well. So if you found our video helpful, if you're looking forward to seeing what our next episodes are going to be, we will be dropping them weekly every Thursday. We'll have a different guest, we'll have a different topic, um, and then we'll start going live to let people come in and ask their questions live while we have our interviewee live on camera. So if you have questions that we may not have answered, you'll have the ability to jump on and ask us questions, to give feedback, uh, and to elaborate. Because uh, just because we are the host and interviewee of the podcast doesn't mean we have all the answers. We're just sharing the information that we have, and there's information from our community that we can grow from as well. So, again, we thank you guys for tuning in. We ask that you share, that you like and subscribe to the channel, dedicated dads online.

SPEAKER_00 33:54

I'm all the most driven by ego alone. The broken bones and the open stone that's been thrown. Prepare themselves in the moment. I smile in the light, learning the hill on my own, lady, my body is sure.

unknown 34:04

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