Joseline Hernandez Apologized to Lemmy...WHY?

Joseline Hernandez apologized to Lemmy Plummer...but was it REAL or was the Zeus Network playing damage control? The internet is divided, and we're breaking down everything from the viral sit down to what people think REALLY happened.

Joseline Hernandez and Zeus Network CEO Lemmy Plummer shocked social media after publicly sitting down to address their explosive online feud. After weeks of accusations, emotional livestreams, and internet chaos, Joseline apologized and admitted she shouldn't have taken everything online.

In this episode, we're discussing whether this reconciliation actually feels genuine, why so many fans think Joseline lost credibility, how her ongoing legal situation may be limiting what she can publicly say, and whether this was a smart business move or simply reputation management. 

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Transcript

SPEAKER_01 0:00

She never said that what she said was a lie. She yo, I peeped that. Yeah. I peeped that.

SPEAKER_00 0:05

She never once said she just said, Yeah, I was wrong for saying it. And she was wrong for bringing it online. That's it. That's all like that was her apology to him. Like, I was wrong for taking it to the internet for bringing it online. I was wrong for saying those things, but she never said it wasn't true.

SPEAKER_01 0:21

Right. And it's like, okay, tell me without telling me that you were telling the truth, you just never brought it to the internet.

SPEAKER_00 0:49

Blah blah blah blah. Welcome back to the Petty Headquarters. I'm your host, Tiana Log, and this is Jesse Strange. And today we're back at it again with another episode, y'all.

SPEAKER_01 1:00

Yeah. And for those of you who are new, welcome. We're the Petty Headquarters podcast. We talk about things like reality TV, pop culture, internet culture. And today, Jocelyn and Lemmy reunited.

SPEAKER_00 1:14

Y'all. Yep. We're definitely gonna be tackling Jocelyn and Lemmy's reunited whole post that Lemmy made of them making a whole video and a sit-down. So let's just get into this week's Dose of Mess, y'all. Okay. I know you sent me the video, right? Because you saw it first. Okay. Before you sent it to me, did you watch the whole thing? Of course. Okay, and then you sent it to me? Yeah. Okay. I definitely did. So I watched the whole thing, and basically, I mean, I don't think we need to play it here, right? It's a very long video.

SPEAKER_01 1:46

Hell no. It's like a 20-minute video on Instagram. So, I mean, of course, Lemmy had to do his PR PR control. Right, right. But uh just like a brief summary of how we got here. You know, a couple of months ago, Jocelyn Hernandez and Lemmy Plummer got into some internet back and forth over. I guess Jocelyn had come online and basically said that Lemmy is trying to kill her, that Lemmy is trying to stop her bag. He's taking he and he went online and said she violated her contract. There was rumors or like speculation that it all started from Jocelyn wanting to collaborate with the now that's TV CEO. Right, right. And Lemmy swears that it wasn't about that. And so, anyways, they went to a whole back and forth. It got really ugly. There was a lot of allegations on behalf of Jocelyn. And on top of her being pregnant, right, right, right. She was she's like, Oh, he, you know, just basically going through it. And yeah, so that's how we got here. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 2:47

And we did talk about this. So there is an episode and a whole deep dive about this on the channel as well as all on all podcast platforms. So if you guys wanted to listen to that or watch that, you can find it there on our platforms. Yeah. So Jocelyn also did release some crazy allegations, not only about Lemmy, but his relationship with Scotty and Janisha, claiming that he was abusive and beats on them, claiming that there were dead bodies found at Zeus, you know, claiming that all of these crazy allegations. Yeah, there were pretty Diddy Jr.

SPEAKER_01 3:19

Yeah, you know, so pretty, pretty wild statements.

SPEAKER_00 3:22

Pretty wild, yep.

SPEAKER_01 3:24

And you know, she was crying, she looked like she was freaking out. Yeah, she was crying in these videos. Yeah, like it was a lot. It was um, and it's not something we hadn't heard before, right? Which is what was like said before. Like, you know, we were like, this is something we constantly hear. And when you're constantly hearing something and the same person keeps saying it's a lie, it's a lie, right?

SPEAKER_00 3:47

It makes you wonder. So the video starts off, and Lemmy says that he just wants to clear the air, right? And he mentions the first thing he mentions are claims of her claiming he's like Diddy Jr. and claims of dead bodies allegedly being at the Zeus office. And he makes it known that, you know, when he heard her say those things, it hurt his feelings, you know. And he said that he's not that type of guy. So that's like one of the first things that we hear. He went, he goes on to say he cried about it too.

SPEAKER_01 4:19

I mean, you can tell me you cried about it all you want. Diddy went on full online and said when when Cassie came out with those allegations and the rumor came out that not the rumor, the court actually with the you know, what happened in court, yeah. He literally said that he was not that type of guy, that he would never be that type of guy. And then literally, what a couple weeks later, we see him footage. We see footage. Yeah, and then that's when he finally admitted, oh, you know, this is a wrong time. So it's like you can't really trust these people. Like, as much as you want to tell me that you're not this and you're not that, I don't put it past anybody.

SPEAKER_00 4:53

Yeah. So the video then goes on to him saying that he understood and says that he knows that Jocelyn felt a little threatened by certain business decisions that he was making. And then he wants to mention in this point that he's never, you know, put her, he would never put her in any harm's way or threaten her life in any way. Um, so he never meant any harm to her and her unborn child. Okay. Uh-huh. Yeah. Right.

SPEAKER_01 5:23

And it's funny because, like, at some point they talk about how they actually ran into each other. Like, what were they at the same mall or something like that?

SPEAKER_00 5:32

Ballistic, and you know, she tells ballistic, I see him, I want to go talk to him. Ballistic didn't want to go over there. Yeah. But she decides she wants to go over there anyway, confront him, apologize about how things went down. Yeah. Which is funny because she did say that before they even had this sit down, that she apologized twice. And she said that she doesn't think this sit down on Instagram was a good idea due to her lawyers being involved in the situation. So I did that caught my attention a little bit, but that is that is what happened.

SPEAKER_01 6:02

Yeah, and it's funny because like I was reading the comments and stuff like that, and I find it like people had pointed out that, you know, Lemmy is very big. His network is very big when it comes to him, especially in LA or or wherever. Like, and so people find it interesting how he happened to be in the same vicinity as her, and it wouldn't be the first time. He was stalking her, especially from her allegations, you know. Keeping an eye on her, that's what they say.

SPEAKER_00 6:32

That's what they say. I'm dead. It's not a good idea. That's actually funny. It's not, it's not about like that's so funny how they happen to say, Yeah, we ran into each other. Mind you, he was fucking stalking you and keeping an eye on you. Joe. Right. Having his gooms keep an eye on you, allegedly. You know, so now at this point, he is telling her all of the fluffy stuff. Like this whole video was a fluff, you know, damage control type video for sure. I want to talk about the body language. Yeah, the body language looks like crazy. So Jocelyn's just sitting upright, hands crossed the whole time. She's fiddling with her thumbs, she's rubbing her thighs. Like, it just looks like she's very uncomfortable in the situation.

SPEAKER_01 7:17

Uh-huh. She looks like a prisoner. Yes. She makes like straight up, like, you know, those videos of like people who get captured in them foreign countries and then are getting like extorted, extorted by like people, and they're like, you know, I'm fine. Just send the money. Like, ah, yes, yes. That's how we felt.

SPEAKER_00 7:39

Like, reading shit off of a car. Oh, that's funny. That is how she looked. Yeah. And that's not how Jocelyn acts. That's not how she usually acts. Her body language is usually more freeing, strong, usually stronger, usually more flowy. She talks with her hands a lot, right? So the fact that her hands were very close together, that was the first thing that I noticed. Like, you're very closed off. The body language looks very uncomfortable. You know, and she's looking at him though the whole time. Dead eye contact, which I noticed. He's barely keeping eye contact with her, though. Like there are moments where he looks at her to address specific things, but as he's talking and doing his fluff, he's looking down, you know. And I'm just like, this is very, very interesting.

SPEAKER_01 8:22

Yeah, it was a very uncomfortable watch, I will say. To see Jocelyn in that light, like I said, it's very weird. I don't really know what to make of it. Like, if it felt more natural, then I would be like open to even considering what she was saying was true.

SPEAKER_00 8:40

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 8:41

But to me, it literally looked like a hostage video. Like yo! Like Shodi had a hostage video. It's crazy. Shorty had a pew pew in the back, like saying, You better say it. You know what I mean? On the side, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 9:00

That's wild. That's fucking wild. Yo, but you know, going back to the video, he also lets her know that, you know, he always wants to support her and anything that she envisions for herself and doesn't want to take any of those things away from her. He makes that known. And she she finally gets her chance to respond, and she's just saying, Thank you. Thank you for telling me all those things.

SPEAKER_01 9:21

A lot of people pointed out to you that she never said that what she said was a lie.

SPEAKER_00 9:25

She, yo, I peeped that.

SPEAKER_01 9:27

Yeah. I peeped that.

SPEAKER_00 9:28

She never once said, she just said, Yeah, I was wrong for saying it. And she was wrong for bringing it online. That's all like that. Was her apology to him. Like, I was wrong for taking it to the internet for bringing it online. I was wrong for saying those things, but she never said it wasn't true.

SPEAKER_01 9:45

Right. And then she also kept saying a lot. First of all, when she was talking, it was a lot of runaround. It was the same thing. And it was like a whole lot of nothing. It was just like the literally, I'm sorry, I brought it to the internet. We've been through a lot together. Seven years. Seven years. She just kept saying we've been through a lot together. And I never said anything like that before. We've been through a lot. We've been through a lot. And it's like, okay, tell me, tell me without telling me that you were telling the truth. You just never brought it to the internet.

SPEAKER_00 10:15

Like that's really what it was. Right, exactly. And then she says that she's disappointed in herself, all those things. We're basically just bringing it to the net. And she's disappointed. She regrets bringing it online and all of that. Um, and you know, she does mention that, you know, being pregnant in that moment, it brings out a lot of emotions, which I I obviously we know that's true, but part of me feels like that's a cop out. Oh, a million percent.

SPEAKER_01 10:43

A million percent.

SPEAKER_00 10:44

But because she's dealing with lawyers, it's like she can't say too much. She even recently, before this, went on another podcast interview where they literally, you sent this to me, right?

SPEAKER_01 10:52

Yeah, the Miami of uh podcast, some some podcast.

SPEAKER_00 10:56

It's very famous podcast. Yes. And you know, he asked her about what's going on with you and Lemmy, and she doesn't say shit. She says a lot of nothing, says that she can't really say much because there's, you know, lawyers involved, and that's it. That's it. So I don't think we're ever gonna hear anything or the aftermath or any type of resolution when it comes to that and the allegations that she's made online. Right. So that's that.

SPEAKER_01 11:21

Yeah, no, a hundred percent. And it's like going back to the pregnancy thing, I feel like it was the number one thing that was gonna make the situation like a little bit like better for him for the media, I would say. Right, exactly. But it's like all those other girls were not pregnant and they said the same thing, right?

SPEAKER_00 11:41

Clock it. So continuing their conversation, Jocelyn does mention at some point that she did truly feel in her heart that he was trying to hurt her. Yeah. You know, I'm surprised she even said that. And I feel like with this sit down, like you said, she didn't deny, but she almost kind of like still stood on what she said in a way without sounding harsh as fuck, as she did before. It was kind of like eased it in, but it was a gentle apology, but not really an apology.

SPEAKER_01 12:13

It's literally, if you guys watch crime podcasts, crime videos, if you guys are into anything with lawyer stuff, lawyer recap, you already know that it's basically both of them had their lawyers involved and told them what to do and say. Yeah, so it's like she's not gonna deny anything because I'm pretty sure they're still dealing with the litigations behind closed doors on percentages and what's right and what's wrong. So it's like if she completely says she lied, then he can get her for defamation, he can get her for a lot more in her sense of uh hold her accountable for a lot more and screw her.

SPEAKER_00 12:51

Right.

SPEAKER_01 12:51

And, you know, even though they made up at the end of the day, business is business. Yeah, and you know, that's just what it is. Yeah, yeah. So I'm not surprised that there was a lot of running around, but it's like so funny how Lemmy always makes it a thing where they go online and these girls end up backtracking each and every time.

SPEAKER_00 13:14

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I was actually surprised that he wanted to do this online, but honestly, I'm I'm actually not surprised.

SPEAKER_01 13:21

Yeah, I was gonna say she completely was a huge thing online. Yeah, she damaged his reputation, that's for sure.

SPEAKER_00 13:27

For sure.

SPEAKER_01 13:28

Jocelyn has a big voice, especially in that realm of the.

SPEAKER_00 13:31

And he even said that. He said that in the video, like, you know, you are strong in your niche, basically, in your industry, your strong figure, you know, and everything that you do. You have a strong presence, yeah, you know, a strong voice, which he mentioned. Yeah. So I think that's interesting. And that's probably why he's like, all right, since it was so public, let's make this public too. 100%. Um, you know, she then goes on to say towards the end that she sees so much growth in him. And she was telling ballistic that, you know, he's not the same man he was in the last six months. And again, going back to her working with him for seven years, she's seen a lot of things, right? And he's saying, Yeah, baby, we'll change you, my daughter. And, you know, he says all of that. And, you know, he says that he's proud of her and proud of everything that she's accomplished and makes it known. First of all, one thing I wanted to point out is as he's saying that he is proud of her and her network, she says it's her husband's network, which I found a little confusing because you had a whole event saying it was your network for your show. You've been doing a shit ton of promos saying it was your network, my network, my network, my network. We've seen multiple videos. You know, you've had multiple posts go viral and share it on multiple blogs, a neighborhood talks, shade room. Now, all of a sudden, in this video, you're saying that it's your husband's network. Yeah. I find that a little confusing. It's not, it's it's strategic.

SPEAKER_01 15:02

Again, she definitely sat down with lawyers.

SPEAKER_00 15:04

That's what I'm saying. I felt like that was extremely strategic because I'm like, hmm, since one. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 15:09

Since one. Yeah, because I mean, there's literal footage on our Patreon where we have an interview with Jocelyn and she's literally saying it's her network. Literally, she's worked hard for it and worked two years to build this.

SPEAKER_00 15:23

Want something of her own. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 15:25

So if you guys want to see that, definitely go check out our Patreon. Check out the Patreon. It is literally there. The whole vlog, the Why Are You Here TV premiere, her event, everything. Literally, and there's a three-minute interview there, and you guys will see it. And, you know, I again, but you can tell now that the lawyers were involved that she has to reword a lot of those things because she technically can't have her network because she's still under contract with Lemmy.

SPEAKER_00 15:52

So that makes sense that now she would say, Yeah, it's my husband's network. Yeah, 100%.

SPEAKER_01 15:58

The loophole. That's exactly. Exactly.

SPEAKER_00 16:02

Really smart. Shout out to her lawyers. She should have binned on that though. I know. That would have covered her ass from the very beginning. Like that changes things, saying, Yeah, it's ballistics network. Yeah, of course. That's just the first thing I thought.

SPEAKER_01 16:20

I'm like, But you know what's crazy? It's like it calls for a deeper conversation. And this is the same thing I said when like Natalie Nunn is like, unfortunately, she like the women in in the industry just unfortunately still are, and I hate to say this, but beneath men.

SPEAKER_00 16:37

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 16:37

And it's like, even right now, as strong and as powerful and as independent as Jocelyn wants to be, yeah, even legally, she cannot say that this is her network. Which is crazy. Because I'm pretty sure she needs the money from Jocelyn, but also like she does discovery. Yeah. Yeah. But she also deserves that money. Yeah. Right. So it's like I would do that too because that's I've worked so hard. I want royalties for every time somebody, you know, watches my show. Right. But it's like, it sucks because again, when you think about Jocelyn and how she came up and and hit uh loving hip hop and what's his name? Stevie J. Stevie J. And how he treated her. And again, she still continues being in a cycle, even if it's just a loophole of being under a man.

SPEAKER_00 17:24

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 17:25

And that's fucked up. The sad part about women in the in the media industry. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 17:31

Yeah. No, literally, like it's so fucked up that you did all this work just to say, yeah, it's my husband's network.

SPEAKER_01 17:36

Yo, and granted, granted, right? Like, I'm sure he he helps with a lot of behind the scene network. Yeah. But like again, it's her network. She is the sole reason why people are willing to jump from so literally. And she's always like, you could, you like I said in the last video, it's a trigger for her, right? Because of her trauma and the shit that she's gone through in the industry, not being taken serious, being a stripper, and always being taken advantage of because she has a great personality for reality TV. For sure, for sure. And not getting compensated for it properly. And that's why it's like it's so fucked up. Like it really makes me sad. And I cannot wait for the day that we actually see an independent network owned by a woman, no needy, no man, like actually get to that point. That'd be lit, yo. Because it's like you still don't see that in 2026.

SPEAKER_00 18:32

I still don't. That is such a great fucking point. You really fucking don't. Wow. Okay. Well, I want to say that I did notice that Lemmy did not bring up the Scotty and Janisha allegations.

SPEAKER_01 18:49

Right.

SPEAKER_00 18:50

Um, so now I just have a couple of questions that I want us to talk through. So obviously, we know this conversation was damage control. We know that. So that's we that that's out the way. But my other question for you, I guess for us to discuss, do you think pregnancy should excuse making serious allegations about someone?

SPEAKER_01 19:15

No, I don't think it's ever been an excuse. Like, you know, I feel like that's I don't I don't think it was an excuse. Right. Because the other girls that made the same allegations were not pregnant.

SPEAKER_00 19:26

Right.

SPEAKER_01 19:26

You know what I mean? I just feel like, like you said before, it was a cop-out. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 19:30

Okay. So you think that she should have never even mentioned her pregnancy as an excuse. So what would you say to people that are like, no, but her emotions really were high though. She was pregnant. Like this is a real thing.

SPEAKER_01 19:41

Yeah, no, and it that is true. Yeah. As a woman with your hormones and you're pregnant, you're obviously going to feel the emotions, but heightened, right?

SPEAKER_00 19:51

Right, for sure.

SPEAKER_01 19:52

You're gonna feel that. So it's like it's not a mat, it's not an argument of whether or not it's true. I'm sure whatever she went through, it was heightened.

SPEAKER_00 20:02

For sure.

SPEAKER_01 20:03

But that doesn't take away from the truth that it still existed.

SPEAKER_00 20:06

So you think it can still be the truth? Oh, yeah, a million percent.

SPEAKER_01 20:10

I think a hundred percent.

SPEAKER_00 20:12

So now, how do you feel? I remember when we talked about this, I showed a video of that girl that used to be her friend talking about she's faking her pregnancy, and now we see that she's pregnant. Yeah. I thought about her, I'm not gonna lie. When he was like, You see, she's a thousand percent pregnant, and I saw her belly, I was like, Oh, I wonder how that bitch feels right now.

SPEAKER_01 20:28

It wasn't her friend, that was her ex-friend. Or was it that girl from Hennessy?

SPEAKER_00 20:33

No, it wasn't Hennessy, it was her ex-friend. Remember, I shared that video with that long ass video where she was saying how, you know. Oh, yeah, that's right. You did, yeah, yeah. She did at some point go on and say that, you know, Jocelyn was faking her pregnancy. I never believed that. I never believed that either. Because I'm like, damn, that's a little bit of a stretch. That's a stretch.

SPEAKER_01 20:51

I feel like that girl came off as a hater to begin with, anyways.

SPEAKER_00 20:55

It was like she was waiting for this moment.

SPEAKER_01 20:57

Yeah, 100% to bring somebody down. Yeah, she was waiting. But like, I I hate to, I hate to to see that because it's like at the end of the day, if you really think about it, uh pregnancy is not a joke. And this is why when Tavy said that shit, like, oh, you're to summer that bitch. A bitch that got pregnant. You're a bitch that got pregnant that laid on her back and got pregnant. Because a lot, like I feel like when there are two people, different types of women. There are women that talk about pregnancy as an act like what pregnancy actually is and motherhood and like that whole aspect. And then there are bitches that just get pregnant just to get pregnant. And like, I feel like that hating ass bitch is exactly that type of person. Yeah. Because waiting for that. Woman, especially as old as Jocelyn is, is playing with pregnancy. Yeah. I know women that try to get pregnant for many years and can't. And that is a psychological thing that they wish they could actually have a baby and be a mother. So it's like, and then when the older you are being pregnant, the more dangerous. It becomes. So it's like, why would somebody lie about being pregnant? That's really stupid. And that's asking for bad juju. And it's like, I don't know. I just never thought of Jocelyn like who lies about that? That's really immature. She's a grown-ass woman. She's business.

SPEAKER_00 22:16

She's not really old to be lying about that. I can understand if she was like really young, 1930. Like 23, early 20s. Yeah. Like doing it for maybe some type of attention to feel love. Right. But she's past that. Like, you know what I mean? Has her own business. Like, she's smart in her own business decision, too. So I feel like that girl that said that must feel like shit because you really talked mad shit, saying that she's faking her pregnancy, talking loud as fuck.

SPEAKER_01 22:41

That's why now, like honestly, I never believed that. I really didn't. And it's like I never believed it either, but it's just crazy how people really talk with such conviction. That's the internet for you. That's the internet for you. Unfortunately.

SPEAKER_00 22:55

That's why, you know, when we played it, when we did do a deep dive on this, I was like, take it with a grain of salt. Like, you know, don't that, I don't know, but this is it. This is what she said, but take it with a grain of salt. I don't believe everything. Yeah. I just wonder how like I wonder how Scotty and Janisha feel like about this video. Them making up and stuff. Yes. I just wonder because me personally, okay, so we hear that these are, you know, alleged. This is false. This is not true, right? Now imagine if it's not true, someone like Scotty and Janisha just getting brought into something that has nothing to really do with them. This has everything to do with you and Lemmy. Now it's like, I would be pissed off. Like, why the fuck you call it my name? But then it's like, no, if it is true, it's still why the fuck you call it my name? Because I don't want that business out there. Right. Right. So now seeing them make up, I just wonder how they feel. Like, obviously, you know, yes, it's damage control and it's good for business, right? However, the emotional part of all of this, like, I just wonder what's going on behind the scenes in their brains and what they're saying. Like, are they happy they made up? Or do they feel some type of way against Jocelyn? Or do they feel some type of way against Lemmy? Like, what is going on? Yeah. That's that's where my mind is at now.

SPEAKER_01 24:14

I'll be honest with you. I really don't give a fuck about what they think because, like, I feel like at the end of the day, the story becomes redundant after a while. Like, you choose to be with a man that's toxic, that surrounds himself in a toxic environment that creates a toxic environment in the work culture. And it's like it's justified because he makes it sound pretty and he has a good way of words. It's another version of Blueface and Krishan and Alexis. Was it Alexis? What's her name? Jaden. Jaden, Jaden Alexis, and then Navea right now. Like, you know what I mean? It's like, I don't really care about how Navea feels and Jayden feels and Krishan because it's like at the end of the day, you choose to be with this man still. Scotty chose to have a baby with this man. Janisha chose to entertain this man for seven years. She's not off the hook. Like you seen just as much as Jocelyn and you still stood by him because he brought you from another from the islands and he brought you to America, you and your family, he provides for you. So it's like you're a bystander. You are someone that continues to enable that behavior. So I don't really give a fuck. That's like young Miami. It's like I don't really care how young Miami feels because it's like you sat there and you stood by. Even uh what all those girls, um, 50 Cents ex baby mama, whatever, you stood there. Like, yes, you can be a victim, absolutely. And I'm not taking away, there is no such thing as a perfect victim. But to care about your opinion about like this situation and who your abuser makes up with, I don't really care because your, first of all, your brain, your capacity, the things you allow is not fully developed. You're already fucked up in the head psychologically, emotionally. You haven't healed, you haven't gone to therapy. So it's like, how can I value your opinion when it's like this is the man you continue to stand by? Yeah. Your opinion is really bottom of the barrel for me. Yeah. So I can give two shits about what Janisha and Scotty think about Jocelyn and Let me make it up. I don't give a fuck. Like, you know what I mean? They can kick rocks.

SPEAKER_00 26:23

Wow.

SPEAKER_01 26:23

Do you care about their opinion?

SPEAKER_00 26:25

Um, I do. I do. Like, I want to know like what the fuck they're thinking. Like, I just want to know. I want to know, like, are you thinking like a bird brain or a bird brain bitch? Or are you actually like, you know, I just want to know what the emotions are. I want to know what the thoughts are. I want to know because I feel like women that find themselves in these situations always end up defending their abusers nine times out of 10. And I just want to know if they've reached that point of I don't want to defend you anymore, but I'm gonna keep up for appearances, or I'm gonna defend my man. I feel like Scotty is gonna defend her man, but I don't know about Janisha. You know, I think it's one of those things where she keeps up with appearances, but at the end of the day, I don't know. That's the truth. And I guess my thing is I would like to know, but obviously that's and I would love to know off the record that I ain't gonna hold you. I would know off the record shit. Like, obviously, I like if I find out, I ain't talking about it. Right. But I would still want to know, like, how the fuck do you feel about that? Because your name got dragged into something that technically was between them two. I feel like they're used to it.

SPEAKER_01 27:38

How many times Natalie and Anna and Summer and all these bitches done brought up Scotty, done brought up Janisha, done brought up. Yeah, like I feel like it's almost like I don't know, low-key, I feel like they used to it. Like, you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_00 27:56

I don't know. Cause for Janisha to come out and actually make a tweet about it, like that was the first I ever heard Janisha come out and actually say something was false and address something in the internet, she never does. But with with with Jocelyn's allegations, she actually addressed that.

SPEAKER_01 28:11

Yeah, because I feel like he said to, and I just feel like because of the amount of power Jocelyn has in the community, it was important for him because if it wasn't just Janisha, it was basically all of Zeus Network.

SPEAKER_00 28:25

It was everybody, it was everybody, right? But what I'm saying is Janisha never speaks. This was the first time.

SPEAKER_01 28:30

But I also feel like Akbar, irrelevant, who all these other girls that made those allegations did not the amount of power as Jocelyn. Jocelyn's voice was probably the most validating, and that's what hurt the most. And I know for a fact he's seen the numbers drop. I know for a fact because everybody, even I said it. Like, you know, we said it, we're like, yo, Jocelyn, that's like Natalie Nunn saying something.

SPEAKER_00 28:59

Yeah, you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_01 29:00

It's like Natalie Nunn, you know, and she's been had moments where she's almost been pushed to that point.

SPEAKER_00 29:07

But that's what I'm saying.

SPEAKER_01 29:08

If Natalie had said something, you would see all of Zeus Network again come out of the woodworks and and defend Lemmy. Yeah, for sure. But any, I feel like those two women have so much power. So I feel like Janisha didn't come out from her own will. He was just like, I need you to do this. And she just said, Yes, sir.

SPEAKER_00 29:28

Yeah. You pay my bills. It reminded me of, you know, when we watched the Diddy documentary, and we literally saw him doing press runs, calling all the people he knew, talking about, I need you to put out a statement, I need you to make a video, I need you to make a Twitter post. They're, you know, defaming my name. I need you to, it literally reminded me of that because the way how every single person came out of the woodworks, I'm like, yo, this is almost like not normal. It's not a coincidence.

SPEAKER_01 29:57

And that's why I feel like that's exactly what happened. And, you know, after hearing what the assistant had came and sent us all this information, which if you guys would like to know about the tea, about that, we will be dropping that information on our Patreon. So again, there's a lot of tea in there. So if you guys, I know if you can just donate, go subscribe. We we want to do more Patreon.

SPEAKER_00 30:22

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 30:22

But we will be spilling the tea there about what Scotty's assistant ended up saying more than just on the internet. You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_00 30:31

For sure.

SPEAKER_01 30:31

And it's like there were a few screenshots. Well, that's her ex-stylus. Ex stylus. Where you literally see the same thing, and it's him basically crossing boundaries, telling him to say other things. Well, let's save it for the Patreon video. I'm only saying vague stuff. But that's what I'm saying. These are just like vague things. If you want to know the T, it'll be over there. Right. But again, if he did it once, he'll do it time and time again.

SPEAKER_00 30:56

For sure.

SPEAKER_01 30:57

It's in his character.

SPEAKER_00 30:58

And I will say literally, there's proof. Yeah, there is proof. There's literal receipts that like this is not like this was six months ago. This was recent. So that's what's pretty alarming about this. Um, but other than that, I mean, I I I guess, you know, you don't care about how Scotty and Jeannie should feel. I would like to know about how they would feel, but you know, we don't hear about, we don't hear their voices, you know. It never works. Like people always are bringing them up, me included, right? I'm always bringing them up. But you don't really hear them really defend themselves. Like they just kind of defend Lemmy. And that's the thing. Like, I want to hear you defend your fucking self. So I want to hear how you feel about it, not how Lemmy feels, not you know how you feel about Lemmy and then being in this situation, how you feel. So this is my last question. Do you think when someone sincerely believes they're in danger, right? You think they could just come out of left and then say, I was wrong?

SPEAKER_01 32:01

So you're talking about Jocelyn.

SPEAKER_00 32:02

Yeah. Like the way how she genuinely felt like she was in danger. Yeah. And then backtracks and says, No, she was wrong for feeling like she was in danger. Do you oh yeah, do you think that's valid?

SPEAKER_01 32:13

Like she can do something like that? Yeah. I don't think I mean that's like trying to like tell you that you're wrong for feeling sad. Like she genuinely felt that.

SPEAKER_00 32:25

So no, no, I don't think it's like telling her she's wrong for feeling sad. But do you think that someone can really believe? Like, for example, me, I really believed I was in danger. And then later on, that danger, I knew I was wrong about that danger. Oh, like you were overreacting type shit. Like, yeah, but about danger. Right. I don't believe someone can do that. I don't believe that someone can genuinely feel like they're in danger and then backtrack and say, Oh, I was wrong for feeling like I was in danger. I was wrong for that. No, I don't know. I don't think so. But that's what Johnson's claiming. So I just think it's very interesting.

SPEAKER_01 33:06

There's this video that went viral recently, and it was about an Amazon driver, a UPS driver delivering a package to someone's yard, and a dog comes charging at him. And before the dog even has a chance to like do uh make a decision, because it could have easily either jumped on him and been happy, or it could have bit him. We don't know because the the worker took the box and hit the shit out of the dog and the dog ran away. Like he went and ran away, right? And so the owner comes up, like, why the fuck you hit my dog? The thing is, is that at that moment, that driver felt like he was in danger. It didn't matter whether the dog was gonna come and jump or the dog was gonna bite. It's a matter of it's survival mode. You're not conscious at that point. It's literally fight or flight, right? So it's like how I react during a fight or flight moment, it really how can you be wrong when it's like it's survival at that point? So it's like to me, like Jocelyn clearly, because she herself has said, I've done, I've been around you for all this time and I've never done this, clearly was never put in a place where she felt danger, endangered enough to go online and freak the fuck out. She literally went online and said, If I'm dead, you know why. This is not the first time someone has said that, right? Many like extension said, if I'm dead, blame Drake. There's people that have literally gone online because they fear for their life to document if I'm gone, this is why. Because I'm not suicidal, I'm not this and I'm not that, and yet somehow, you know, they end up passing away, right?

SPEAKER_00 34:46

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 34:47

People do that out of fear. They don't just say that. No one just says that just because they are they want to twiddle their fingers and they're bored. Like, no, people say that out of fear to document, hey, you know, look into this. So I just feel like I don't think you can be wrong for saying, oh, I'm in danger. I feel like it was a genuine thing because it takes a lot for someone to get to that point. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Especially for someone that's been around for as long as Jocelyn.

SPEAKER_00 35:13

Right. But you know, going back to your example with the dog, like I feel like that was a great example, even though it's like very different context. That person probably could have realized, oh, I was wrong for hitting a dog. But they legitimately.

SPEAKER_01 35:29

They were not wrong for hitting the dog. You know who was wrong? The owner for not locking up the dog and putting it on a leash, knowing damn well you have a package coming. Yeah. Because at the end of the day, I don't know your dog. That's true. And that dog will hurt me. That's true. Because these dogs don't know their strength.

SPEAKER_00 35:46

They don't know their strength. They know their strength. The dogs know. Yes, they do. No, they fucking don't. No, they don't. Some of these dogs be playing and they don't even know their strength. But that's on point.

SPEAKER_01 35:55

But you know, you're saying like a good dog.

SPEAKER_00 35:58

Yeah, like a good dog that just runs happily up to you. Sometimes they don't really know their strength. You know, and that's just what it is. But sometimes they could really hurt you.

SPEAKER_01 36:07

I don't think, I don't think even if the dog was a good dog, I would ever feel wrong for getting the shit out the dog. It's not like I killed it. You know what I mean? I hit it with a box. That's your fault. And look, I'm an animal lover. So you know me for me to say that I'm dead ass.

SPEAKER_00 36:25

It's coming from a lie.

SPEAKER_01 36:26

It's coming from a logical place. Like, what do you think? I'm gonna sit there and Twitter and find out if your dog is gonna bite me.

SPEAKER_00 36:33

Right, no, absolutely.

SPEAKER_01 36:35

And I'm at work. Yeah, I'm trying to just deliver a package, bro. Like, that's crazy. That's your fault as the owner, and that's just what it is. And that, like, that's what I said. Like, uh, like going back to Jocelyn, like, I just genuinely don't feel like if I if I throw the first punch, because I fear for my life, that's just me. I'm gonna win. Because at the end of the day, I'm a winner and I said I'm gonna fight to the very end. And that's how I feel like Jocelyn was she's strong, she's gonna do whatever, pull whatever resources she can.

SPEAKER_00 37:04

For sure, for sure.

SPEAKER_01 37:05

She felt powerless, clearly, where she had to go to the internet.

SPEAKER_00 37:09

Yeah, because she never does. She never does. And so, you know what? We can sit here and say allegedly, allegedly this, allegedly that. But I'm just gonna say this is that again, this is not the first time someone has made these allegations towards Lemmy, towards Zeus Network. You have so many people, even people that are nameless, you know, coming up on the internet constantly talking, but people don't care because they're nameless, right? Because they have no status. Yeah, people that are involved with Zeus Network that are constantly complaining about these things and going to the internet, then they backtrack. So it's like at some point, who are we gonna choose to believe? Right? So I'm just going to leave it at that.

SPEAKER_01 37:50

Yeah, you know, what side are you gonna be in history? Are you gonna be in the documentaries where you were blinded? And even though we have so many examples of how evil these people can be, yeah, yeah, you know, like are you gonna be on the right side of history or the wrong side of history? That's up to you, you know. And at the end of the day, you're entitled to your opinion. And you know, I get it. Like, we watch Zeus Network, like that's just what it is. We we continue to, you know, recap baddies, and that's what it is, but like also I'm not a dumb bitch. So it's like I see what it is, and you know, it is what it is.

SPEAKER_00 38:25

Yeah, yeah. Well, I mean, that's really all that I have to say about it. I do find that they're reunited. That that them just reuniting is weird, but I guess they wanted to do this for damage control. Yeah, that's all that this is, but it did piss me the fuck off when I saw them sitting down. I was like, are you dead ass? Yeah, like are you fucking dead ass? Like that shit pissed me the fuck off. I'm not even gonna lie to you. So to me, watching it, I'm listening to it, I'm hearing it, I'm documenting shit, but I don't give a fuck. Yeah, 100%. I don't care. Like, literally, like this is the dead ass after going through that whole thing. These are like my real feelings right now. Like, I really don't care. I don't give a fuck about Jocelyn and what she said. I don't give a fuck about what Lemmy said. Like, I really just don't care because at the end of the day, money talks. Oh, yeah, unfortunately. Money fucking talks, and she is going to do whatever the fuck she gotta do to keep her back. And that's literally what this was about. Like, obviously, from a business decision and you know, damage control, PR, whatever the case is, they have to do this. But do I care? Absolutely the fuck not. I think it's fucking weird. I think everybody involved is fucking weird.

SPEAKER_01 39:38

100%. A lot of people definitely looked at side-eyed Jocelyn for doing that because it's like, oh, you know, you backpedaling just like all these other bitches, and we were the ones writing for you. We were really like rooting for her, yeah. Yeah, yeah. So it was another disappointment, yeah, for sure. But I mean, girl, how long did it take Cassie to get out of that situation?

SPEAKER_00 40:00

Years, years, and and Cassie never, never Cassie, Cassie, Cassie, Cassie never opened her mouth though.

SPEAKER_01 40:09

She did to the local people around her, and all those people continue to stay quiet, tell her, Oh, you need to get out, but you need to get out, but never make a yeah, the internet.

SPEAKER_00 40:19

But obviously, back then, but that's what I'm saying. The internet is not what it is now, correct. So that's valid, that's fair, and that's what I'm saying.

SPEAKER_01 40:27

It's like, you know, that's what a uh, you know, abuse is like there is so many dynamics to abuse. There is, you know, reaction abuse, there is power dynamic, there is money involved. It's such a powerful entity, and I hate to keep bringing it back, but it's like I'm telling you, it's a great example to really see because Weinstein was just as just as Diddy. The see the Diddy documentary, it was the same thing with Weinstein, with Epstein, with all these powerful men, Trump, all these powerful men getting away with it because they can, because they have the power and the money to do so. Right. And it it goes for years until finally the egg cracks, and then you get to see all these people, and then everybody's confused. Oh, we had no idea. Meanwhile, all these receipts happen to be there, you know what I mean? Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 41:20

But they were just too powerful to take down that money talks, and I'm pretty sure you got paid off, or something was getting paid for, or you didn't want to jeopardize whatever money you were making. So it's a it's just a whole dynamic, and it's just a fucked up situation overall for all parties involved. So, me personally, I don't give a fuck about all parties involved, and that's just that. So, I mean, that kind of like concludes this episode, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 41:44

You know, we just had to address it because obviously we had a video where we we talked about it. Yeah, we talked about that whole thing. So we gotta update y'all, but we are curious to know what you guys think about the whole Jocelyn and Lemmy thing. Yeah, do you look at Jocelyn a different way? Do you think that she's just as bad as Lemmy? Do you think she lose credibility, you know, or do you still support her, or do you think she's still a victim and she's just doing this because she is a victim and being kind of like twisted into doing this because of other reasons? You know what I mean? So yeah, I think that's a good question.

SPEAKER_00 42:16

I think she's a victim, but I also feel like she definitely lost credibility.

SPEAKER_01 42:19

Yeah, two truths can exist. Yeah, they definitely can. And look what they did to Cassie. She was a hundred percent a victim, yet people were like it. How she lost that in court was by all the other things, like that that you know, people were side-eyeing her. She lost credibility because she continued to do certain things because of the psychology of abuse and being groomed.

SPEAKER_00 42:40

Yeah, so it's like two troops can exist, right? For sure. So definitely, guys, comment your thoughts on this. Um, and yeah, let us know what you think because this this shit is absolutely insane. If you're watching on YouTube, comment your thoughts. If you're listening on the podcast version, we do have an area. If you're listening on Apple Podcasts, right there, you'll see it. Underneath the episode, it says send us fan mail. You can choose to send us a text message or a voice note, and it literally goes through your phone. So it's like very easy for you guys to maneuver. So if you have any comments you want to say on this episode or any episodes moving forward, definitely utilize that fan mail tool, guys. All right. And with that being said, where can they find you?

SPEAKER_01 43:21

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SPEAKER_00 43:26

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